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Topp William SF

February 25, 2016 / 13:27

This episode covers forecasting tournaments, geopolitical analysis, and questioning assumptions in research. Guests discuss their experiences with the Good Judgment Project and insights on global events.

The conversation begins with a participant discussing their involvement in a forecasting tournament aimed at understanding what makes a good forecaster. They mention their motivation to contribute to research and how they volunteered for various projects.

Key discussions include the participant's analysis of Putin's involvement in Syria, suggesting it relates to securing a port for the Russian fleet. They also reflect on North Korea's leadership and the implications of Kim Jong-un's actions.

The episode highlights the importance of questioning fundamental assumptions, particularly regarding Iran's nuclear ambitions and the potential for future relations between the U.S. and Iran.

Listeners gain insights into the significance of totem words in research and how they can guide understanding in unfamiliar fields. The participant shares personal reflections on their journey through the Good Judgment Project, noting a newfound confidence in their opinions.

TLDR

Participants discuss forecasting, geopolitical analysis, and the importance of questioning assumptions in research.

Episode

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I don't know where i saw the notice that you guys were putting together this program it was on one of
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the standard outlets maybe Wall Street Journal maybe Bloomberg but I read an article that you were putting together
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this forecasting tournament and that you were trying to find out what it is makes
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a good forecaster and I feel like I owe the system for so many years I've been
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doing research and I've relied on other people to contribute to that research
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and they have selflessly and so I'm a chronic volunteer as well when somebody
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says I need your help to do my research I volunteer for instance the new york blood center contacted me and said
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you're not allowed to give blood but we've got this research program and
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blood donation will you come in and donate a pint of blood every month so we can see what happens so I did that just
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to pay back the system so i'm paying back the system by being in the good judgment project
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I think that I make connections for instance I couldn't figure out why Putin
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was in Syria none of the explanations that people gave the talking heads made any sense to me Syria does not a join
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Russia the Ukraine does Syria is of no strategic importance to Putin why is he in Syria there was just no reason all of
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this business about how he couldn't let one of his henchmen down or else all the
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other henchmen would feel insecure just didn't buy that I wanted to make sense
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of that and all of a sudden I remembered something and that is that Putin is building up the bread Russian fleet in
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the Mediterranean but they don't have a home port in the Mediterranean so they
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have to go all the way back to Russia and the Black Sea to get a home port well where is Putin landing his troops
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next to the port of Latakia which is a major port on the Mediterranean so perhaps what Putin wants is a deal with
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Assad for a 50-year lease on the port of Latakia now that to me makes sense that
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would explain why Putin is in Syria it accomplishes a strategic thing for him it gives him a port for his
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Mediterranean fleet so I think that's probably part of the reason why I was successful I feel uncomfortable saying
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successful because I don't feel successful you tell me I was successful I don't feel successful it I that's part
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of the modus operandi that I go through is I I see disparate things and I try to
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make sense of them for instance another thing when the third Kim took over North
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Korea all of a sudden there was a huge round of executions including his own uncle he blew his uncle up with it
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aircraft anti-aircraft gun things were then fairly quiet and then another big round of executions I couldn't figure
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out why he was executing all these people I contacted somebody who was an expert
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in North Korean relations and I said while the executions he said well they've been more than you know they
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just not publicized have been to big rounds I thought what's going on here and then I saw something that said Kim
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has not yet traveled outside of North Korea not even to Beijing to visit his sponsors we don't know when Kim's going
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to travel outside of North Korea all of a sudden you put the two together perhaps the guys afraid that if he
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leaves the country he won't be able to come back that there'll be a coup in his
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absence and he's taking care of everybody who might be involved in such a coup and in fact he's now due to go to
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Moscow I think in december so again trying to make sense out of something just looking around at where how things
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might fit together to make things make more sense than they would otherwise 30 years ago a good friend of mine also
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named Barbara Barbara McClintock advised me over and over in our conversations that I should always questioned my
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fundamental assumptions my underlying assumptions and I think that's something
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that's been very important to me was Barbara's advice for instance a spacecraft just flew past jupiter and
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took a whole bunch of high-resolution pictures of Jupiter I'm sorry Pluto and
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took a whole bunch of high-resolution pictures of Pluto and son of a gun this 4.5 billion year old planet is
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geologically active and everybody is absolutely floored the solar system is 4.5 billion years old the planets are
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not supposed to be geologically active when they're the size of Pluto why is
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this so everybody's trying to figure out why 4.5 billion year old Pluto is by
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geologically active they're talking about more missions to Pluto have hundred-million-dollar missions
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half-billion-dollar missions I'm certain that there are all sorts of young planetary scientists who are trying to
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figure out how they can start their careers by figuring out and making a name for themselves wipe loot Pluto is
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geologically active well what's the underlying assumption here the underlying assumption is that Pluto's
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4.5 billion years old what happens if Pluto isn't 4.5 billion years old what
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happens with Pluto is a good deal younger then in fact you expect it to be geologically active and there's no
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inconsistency here at all the inconsistency is that your fundamental assumption that Pluto is 4.5 billion
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years old was incorrect so I'd advise those young planetary scientists who are
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thinking about trying to explain how a 4.5 billion year old celestial body could be geologically active to question
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whether or not it's really 4.5 billion years old there's another something else
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that gets a lot more attention and that's it ran for the last four to five years the entire economy of the world
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has in an uproar because all of the major nations have slapped an embargo on dealing with Iran because Iran is trying
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to build a nuclear weapon and they had to negotiate long and hard with Iran to negotiate I ran away from a posture
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where they could be capable of building the nuclear weapon that they were trying
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to build and this brought us a lot closer to allies like Saudi Arabia to whom we perhaps should not be close and
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it's caused no end to trouble throughout the entire world particularly the Middle
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East which is troubled enough well what's the underlying assumption here that Iran wants to build a nuclear
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weapon they kept saying that they didn't want to build a nuclear weapon why didn't we believe them well we have x
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y&z reasons why we didn't believe them but again it's a fundamental assumption
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the entire foreign policy in the Middle East of nearly the entire world was dictated by the underlying assumption
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that Iran wanted to build a nuclear device I personally wouldn't want to build a nuclear device I can't see why
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Iran would want a nuclear device nuclear bombs are so 20th century we've moved on
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I happen to think Iran didn't particularly want to build a nuclear bomb but everybody's fundamental
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assumption was that it did and I would go out on a limb and I'd say that even
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in spite of all the acrimony that we've had over Iran that it's quite possible
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that in 20 years Iran will be our closest ally in the Middle East and the reason for that is that Iran is the
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largest Persian nation on earth the United States is the second-largest Persian nation on earth and Canada is
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the fourth-largest Persian nation on earth there's a natural affinity there and as soon as that embargo is lifted
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the Persians are not going to start doing deals with the British or the Chinese or the Russians they're going to
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do business with their Persian American friends so I see business between Iran Persia and the United States
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particularly the Persian community building very quickly I think that could lead to good political relations as well
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that would be a major casualty of misunderstanding Iran's intentions with nuclear weapons
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I recommend that when you come to a new field about which you know nothing that you browse the literature talk to people
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if you can attend lectures if you can and listen for the totem words the words which either consciously or
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unconsciously people in the field give special meeting and I find that if you can figure out what those totem words
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are and then go away and figure out what they mean you'll find out at least one
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of the things that's very important to people in the field that they don't say
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is important to them necessarily but they give it importance by continually using these totem words or continually
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emphasizing them for instance last week I went to grand rounds at our regional hospital and there was a cardiologist
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giving a talk and he was giving a talk on the pharmaceutical management of cardiac patients who had circulatory
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problems problems with blockages problems leakages he would go through a series of example patients this patient
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comes in with these symptoms what do you do we immediately stent this patient how
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do we drug this patient for the stent we're going to use this compound and we're going to use this compound but
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we're going to stay away from that compound because it can cause bleeding and we don't want bleeding now this
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patient has got a partially occluded artery and is in a lot of pain we're going to give this patient warfarin
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because we need to dissolve that clot and prevent it from growing however we're not going to give this patient
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these other two drugs because they can lead to bleeding even worse than warfarin can lead to bleeding we give
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combinations of these drugs because it reduces bleeding bleeding this bleeding that what I came away from not knowing
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really that very much about how to treat cardiac patients was that if we can generalize from just this one talk
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what's most important is to keep the patient from bleeding no matter what you do and so if I was given
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a new drug and asked to predict whether or not it was going to be a success the first thing I look at is whether it
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causes uncontrolled bleeding or not what the likelihood is how it can be combined
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with other things all from a standpoint of does it cause bleeding now that doesn't give you the answer to how that
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new drug is going to do but it gives you a lead into it so that you can then begin to understand how things are going
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on so I'd say look for the totem words when you're reading an article look for
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the words that the author of the article seems to come back to over and over and
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then start by figuring out what those words mean I've been very insecure all my life for
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a variety of reasons and I never really thought very much of my own opinions I always figured well is the world crazy
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or is it me in the answer was I must be crazy I think the good judgment project has shown me that occasionally I'm right
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and other people are wrong which is not something that I expected going in I expected to be wrong all the time and
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curiously and I've seen this in Phil's book and I've heard it from other people
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the things about which I was most wrong with the things I was supposed to know something about namely the medical
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questions so I think the good judgment project has given me a little bit of confidence in myself that I didn't have
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before I went into it you

Episode Highlights

  • The Good Judgment Project
    A participant reflects on their journey and contributions to forecasting research.
    “I feel like I owe the system for so many years.”
    @ 00m 29s
    February 25, 2016
  • Putin's Strategy in Syria
    Exploring the geopolitical motivations behind Putin's actions in Syria.
    “Perhaps what Putin wants is a deal with Assad for a 50-year lease on the port of Latakia.”
    @ 02m 25s
    February 25, 2016
  • Questioning Assumptions
    The importance of questioning fundamental assumptions in various fields.
    “I should always question my fundamental assumptions.”
    @ 04m 44s
    February 25, 2016

Episode Quotes

  • I feel like I owe the system for so many years.
    Topp William SF
  • I don’t feel successful; you tell me I was successful.
    Topp William SF
  • I’ve been very insecure all my life for a variety of reasons.
    Topp William SF

Key Moments

  • Paying Back the System00:45
  • Putin in Syria01:23
  • Kim's Executions03:07
  • Pluto's Geology05:07
  • Iran's Nuclear Ambitions07:49
  • Insecurity and Confidence12:35

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