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Tiffany Dufu on Achieving More by Doing Less

March 17, 2017 / 17:24

This episode features Tiffany Dufu discussing women's leadership, personal challenges, and the importance of dropping unrealistic expectations. She shares her experiences balancing motherhood and career.

Tiffany recounts a specific incident involving her daughter missing a birthday party due to a lack of communication. She reflects on how this situation has occurred multiple times and how it highlights the pressures women face.

Throughout the episode, Tiffany emphasizes the need for women to seek help and delegate responsibilities, particularly in managing family obligations. She mentions the concept of "home control disease," which affects many women.

She also discusses the unrealistic expectations placed on women in various roles, such as being a perfect mother or wife. Tiffany encourages listeners to focus on what truly matters in their lives.

Ultimately, Tiffany aims to inspire women to embrace imperfection and prioritize their well-being while advocating for women's leadership.

TLDR

Tiffany Dufu discusses balancing motherhood and career while advocating for women's leadership and the importance of dropping unrealistic expectations.

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a couple of months ago I got a call from my daughter school she's in the second
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grade it was about 3pm and she was crying uncontrollably at the end of the school day all of her friends had left
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for a birthday party that she knew nothing about now she was invited to the party it's just that it wasn't on my
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calendar it wasn't on my husband's calendar and so she didn't know about it
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and suffice it to say she was devastated Sam's story right well here's the thing
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this exact scenario had happened on more than one occasion and it gets worse I can anticipate that this exact scenario
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was going to happen there's something that I could do in order to prevent it
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from happening but on more than one occasion I haven't I have intentionally dropped the ball now before you start
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throwing tomatoes at me because I must be a very evil person or at least a very bad mom I would love to take you back in
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time to tell you how we got to this moment my name is Tiffany doufu my life's work is advancing women and girls
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that's pretty much why I'm on the planet so my life is very simple I know what's
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on my tombstone and I'm just kind of project managing my life backwards that
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is how I find meaning right that's the story that I choose to tell and for most
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of this journey I've been very focused on this one problem around women's
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advancement which has to do with women's leadership this is a study by McKinsey
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and Lehman basically you won't be surprised to know that even though women are half the population and half of
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entry-level employees by the time you get to the c-suite were at about nineteen percent and this is true for
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pretty much every sector of our society we're hovering about eighteen or nineteen percent these numbers haven't
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really changed for the past 20 years and I've been trying to figure out what are
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we going to do about this now for most of my career I've been focused on Kauai
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did solutions to the women's leadership problem things like equal pay for equal
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work affordable childcare right flexible workplace practices public policy corporate practices cultures where women
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can really bring their full selves to the table and the reason why i feel that women's leadership is really important
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is because Taniya doesn't matter so much what you care the most about it could be
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the environment it could be the health care it could be education at the end of the day there are people sitting around
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tables that look just like this and nice sometimes they're marable sometimes
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there would but they're usually in big plush leather chairs and these people at
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the highest levels of leadership or making decisions that impact every single one of us for most of our time in
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this country that we have a few notable exceptions that we love to celebrate this group of people sitting around
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these table are largely men they're largely white they're largely straight
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and able-bodied and wealthy and make no mistake I have a lot of friends who are white and male and able-bodied and
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straight and wealthy there's nothing wrong with that group of people it's
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just that we've got enough research now that shows that a diverse group of people coming together to solve a
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problem leads to a more innovative outcome so I figure that one of the things that we can do to solve some of
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our most complex problems is to bring a more diverse group of people around these tables I think that that would do
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the world a very a very very good thing the challenge is that although we don't
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have that many people of color women of different disabilities people from the LGBT community sitting around these
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tables I found that these collective solutions especially about four or five years ago started to in some ways be
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insufficient in order for us to solve this problem and it happened basically because I got very overwhelmed trying to
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manage the number of requests that i was getting four coffees and lunches and meetings and many of you might be at a
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place in your leadership where you're constantly getting pinged and constantly
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getting these kinds of requests and i decided that i would start saying yes to every single
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of them now I do not advise this it's just that my life's work is advancing
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women and girls and so I felt the need to sit down and have a conversation with every woman that reached out to me and
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one of the things that I observed in these conversations is that while I was very focused on helping women to aspire
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to more ambition to be a CEO to be a senator to be a business mobile most of the conversation was around very
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personal things very personal aspects of their lives and I found over and over again this very direct correlation
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between a woman's ambition her desire to be at the highest levels of leadership
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and the amount of work or responsibility she felt in her personal life usually on
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the home front and one of the questions that I often got in relationship to this
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was to me a very personal question it had nothing to do with all of the big public policies or corporate practices
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that I was preaching about which was Tiffany I just want to know how are you managing all of these things how are you
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managing being a wife and being a mother and running an organization and doing things like writing books and I began to
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tell my personal story and in doing so I had to share what I felt at that time was my dirty feminist secret which was
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that for most of my career even though publicly I was the staunch advocate for women and leadership that I felt an
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enormous amount of pressure at home this is a Time magazine report and you should
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go back and look at it because one of the things that blew me away was this idea that eighty percent of young women
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millennial women felt that it was important to be the perfect mom the perfect mom so not only did I have all
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these responsibilities at home I felt this pressure to execute them flawlessly and even though I was always talking
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about how women's roles in the public sphere needed to be disrupted I was essentially on Stepford wife auto pilot
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at home and I didn't want anyone to know this now this auto pilot was particular
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really driven by this phenomenon that I talk about in the book called HPD this is called home control disease it's
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basically when you feel that everything in your home should be done a particular
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way which is basically your way and I know no one in this room has ever had a case of hcd I had a very very very bad
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case and it manifested in all kinds of small little things that had amounted to something big so for example I loved
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fresh food I love to cook and I was almost every day so let's say on Monday I made meatloaf and on Tuesday I made
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fajitas and on Wednesday I made fried chicken on Thursday when my husband was at home by himself because I was off to
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some work meeting I would expect him to eat the meatloaf first because I had all
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of these running expiration dates in my head for all of the leftovers that were in the fridge and I would come home and
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he'd eat in the fried chicken I would open the fridge and I would be like why
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didn't you eat the fried chicken why didn't you eat the meatloaf and he would
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say well baby I really like your fried chicken and I was like so you don't like
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my meal oh and he would know not to say anything else now this seems very small and insignificant the difference between
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meatloaf and fried chicken but manifested in all these other kinds of ways for example I used to feel that it
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was important that all of the hangers in the closet face the same direction and I
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would go back through when I was fix them we have an amen here we're in church now this is great ok i also used
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to feel that it was very important to take all of the mail from the mailbox and deal with it on the same day to like
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get rid of all the junk mail and opened the envelopes because otherwise it was pilot but i would just mean more work
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for me i also felt that it was really important that all of the towels in the linen closet be folded a certain way and
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i would actually be really annoyed when people wouldn't fold them correctly and
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i would go back and fix it one of the things that was really important to me was that whenever someone sent you a
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birthday party invitation that you responded right away because if you didn't that person would think that you
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were very rude and you might even miss the party now I want to be clear that for all of my obsession in hindsight
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about what needed to happen at home I thought of myself as a very modern woman very
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ambitious woman my husband and I were in this very modern couplehood even though
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if you had done an analysis of our household division of labor in 1997 we've been married for 20 years it was
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the same as a couple in 1950 and we never really questioned this now I was able to maintain pretty much
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flawlessness at home and at work for many many years and thought I was so big and bad and in control until this one
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life changing event which was that we had a child and if there are any parents in the room you can already predict that
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basically my perfection at home and at work spiral downhill rather rapidly and so I had to figure out how I was going
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to drop some balls and I want to be really transparent with you I didn't intentionally decide to drop balls in
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the very beginning I basically just got so overwhelmed and stressed that i started dropping them and what I
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discovered was that the world didn't fall apart like no one came to read me my Miranda rights because I didn't pay
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the parking ticket and no one ever called me to say I'm going to be your friend anymore because you missed the
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birthday party there are three things very quickly that I want to share with you that I had to learn to drop in this
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journey the first ball that I had to learn the drop was unrealistic expectation about who I was supposed to
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be because what I realized is that I spent a lot of time trying to fulfill different roles my first role was
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daughter maybe yours was daughter or son I became a friend I was a sister I was a
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student a worker eventually I became a wife and a mother and by default I put like many women do and quite frankly
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many men do the word good in front of all of my role so it wasn't sufficient
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to be a daughter I have to be a good daughter wasn't sufficient to be a student I need to be a good student and
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a good worker and a good friend and a good wife and a good mother and it turns out that for all of those roles that we
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play there's actually a job description no one ever told us what the job description was but I promise you
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there's a job description for each one of those roles for example in order be a
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good sister and I'm the old 24 girl you have to respond to your sisters text messages within two minutes
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otherwise they'll think that you don't love them right in order to be a good
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mom you have to be there when your child takes their first step right in order for you to be a good husband you have to
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aspire to be a breadwinner at all caught even the cost of spending time with your
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family even the cost of supporting the women in your lives and so what I had to do was move from being obsessed with
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performance of these roles to figuring out what really mattered most to me where did I find meaning and how was I
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going to use that to shape my story the second ball that I had to learn to drop was this ball about what I was supposed
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to do a few years ago I did a workshop with a group of women there were about 70 in the room and it was supposed to be
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this time management workshop and I asked all of them to write down everything you expected to complete in
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an ideal day and I mean every single little things start with you get up you go to the gym maybe you lie in bed for
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20 minutes thinking about how you're supposed to go to the gym right you get
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up you get dressed you have a commute you prepare for meetings every single little thing until you can't think of
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anything else and I asked them to write down next to every single one of those things how long you felt it would take
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to complete each and every one of those items and then I ask them some the total
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at the bottom well you won't be surprised to know that not one person in the room had a list that amounted to
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less than the 24 hours that any of us have in a day and only half the women in the room had put sleep on their list and
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I had in that moment what I call a Tiffany's epiphany basically I thought well it's no wonder that so many of us
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are walking around with such feelings of inadequacy when our expectation about what we're supposed to do even in one
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given day is woefully woefully unrealistic is actually humanly impossible to complete what most of us
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think we're supposed to be doing in an ideal day given the 24 hours that we all
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have and so I have to figure out what is my highest and best use instead of managing my life on default and just
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doing all of the things and creating a bunch of to-do list what is my highest and best views
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in achieving one of the things that matters most to me the third law that I had to drop was the most ironic ball for
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someone whose life's work is supporting and helping other people which is that I
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had to get over this fear of asking for help okay and it was really really bad for me folks I I would say that I was
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more afraid of asking for help than I was of actually dropping balls and one of the people that I learned in my drop
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the ball journey to engage and to get help from was my husband in fact one of the things that i delegated with joy to
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him was the management of our kids social calendar you know it's a role that often times in relationships
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defaults to the woman but it turns out that the person who is the social butterfly in the relationship is the
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person who has often best equipped to manage the children's social calendar so
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here's the thing though even though I've been through this drop the ball journey
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and its really really rewarding for me one of the things that I've learned is
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that the world haven't quite evolved for women who have dropped the ball or reeling families who have for example no
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one ever sends a child's birthday party invitation to their dad sometimes I commit this tiny act of defiance when I
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get it in my inbox and I send it back to the person and I say thank you so much for inviting a clue or Kofi to the party
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their father manages their social calendar can you please send him the end I give his email address but sometimes
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with the onslaught of everything that's coming at me my email box the meetings
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rushing from here to there I start relentlessly asking myself might drop the ball question is responding to this
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birthday party invitation my highest and best use in raising conscious global citizens and the answer is no and so I
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move on to the next thing and that's how we ended up with this situation in which
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my daughter the birthday party this is a kuwa she just turned eight on Saturday so she had
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her own birthday party on Saturday she loves doughnuts with pink frosting and sprinkles and a couple of months ago on
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the day that she missed someone else's birthday party even though I had no outs
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of guilt I soaked a lot of empathy for her because she was heartbroken on that day and so I brought her a doughnut and
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I read her her favorite story every time I share this I usually have people in the audience or that come up to me
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afterward and they say Tiffany I get it but I just couldn't do it I just couldn't do it especially when you
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showed that picture of a coup and she was really really cute and she had her doughnut and I want every single one of
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you in this room to know that I completely understand and I was there it's just that in the seven years since
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I've dropped the ball I've been able to run a national women's leadership
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organization I've raised millions of dollars for women's and girls causes
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I've even written a book called drop the ball that I hope will reach a lot of
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women and to help them with their journeys and if if anything that I've done in the past seven years helps to
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create a world in which my little akula can grow up to aspire to be anything that she wants to be I just feel like
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it's worth it I feel like it's worth it for her to miss one or two birthday
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parties and that's what I want to share with you today so thank you so much [Music]
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you

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Episode Highlights

  • The Pressure of Perfection
    Tiffany shares her struggle with unrealistic expectations as a mother and professional.
    “I felt an enormous amount of pressure at home.”
    @ 06m 02s
    March 17, 2017
  • Dropping the Ball
    Tiffany reflects on the lessons learned from dropping the ball in her life.
    “I didn’t intentionally decide to drop balls.”
    @ 09m 44s
    March 17, 2017
  • The Importance of Asking for Help
    Tiffany discusses the fear of asking for help and its impact on her life.
    “I had to get over this fear of asking for help.”
    @ 13m 31s
    March 17, 2017

Episode Quotes

  • I had to share what I felt at that time was my dirty feminist secret.
    Tiffany Dufu on Achieving More by Doing Less
  • I’ve been able to run a national women’s leadership organization.
    Tiffany Dufu on Achieving More by Doing Less
  • I just feel like it’s worth it.
    Tiffany Dufu on Achieving More by Doing Less

Key Moments

  • Overwhelm09:51
  • Realization12:46
  • Empathy15:56
  • Heartbreak15:57
  • Transformation17:01

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