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Emily Esfahani Smith on Crafting a Life that Matters

March 17, 2017 / 11:16

This episode features Emily Esfahani Smith discussing the themes of meaning versus happiness, storytelling, and the building blocks of a meaningful life.

Emily Esfahani Smith, author of The Power of Meaning, shares her journey and inspiration for her book, which began during her time as a graduate student at Wharton. She emphasizes the importance of leading a meaningful life over the pursuit of happiness.

Smith recounts the story of Ashley Richmond, a zookeeper at the Detroit Zoo, who finds purpose in caring for animals despite the grueling nature of her job. This illustrates her point that meaning can be found in everyday roles that may not seem glamorous.

She identifies four key pillars of a meaningful life: belonging, purpose, storytelling, and transcendence. Smith highlights storytelling as a particularly powerful tool for creating meaning in our lives.

Smith discusses the research of psychologist Dan McAdams, who found that people leading meaningful lives often tell stories of redemption. She encourages listeners to reflect on their own life stories and to find positive meanings in their experiences.

TL;DR

Emily Esfahani Smith discusses meaning in life, storytelling, and the importance of purpose over happiness.

Episode

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I want to begin by thanking you Adam
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grant for having me here and thanking
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Wharton for hosting me and thank all of
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you guys for being here my name is Emily
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Esfahani Smith and I'm the author of the
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power of meaning I've been working as a
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journalist and a writer for for several
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years now and it's really special for me
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to be here with you because but the idea
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for my book was born in this very
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building several years ago when I was a
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grad student sitting downstairs
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listening to a lecture about the
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difference between a happy life and a
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meaningful life and so I was so excited
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by what I heard that I eventually wrote
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a book about it so it's really it's
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amazing for me to be here with you in
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this place I want to begin by telling
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you the story of a woman named Ashley
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Richmond who I had the chance to spend
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some time with several years ago so
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Ashley doesn't lead a very glamorous
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life she doesn't work for a fortune 500
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company she didn't go to a fancy school
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like Penn she doesn't shop at places
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like Whole Foods what she does do is
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spend the majority of her time shoveling
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animal poop from one place to another
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her hours are terrible and so is her pay
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and she rarely gets vacations off and
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yet Ashley told me that this is her
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dream job Ashley is a zookeeper who
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cares for giraffes Wallabies and
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kangaroos at the Detroit Zoo Ashley
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doesn't always feel happy or good when
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she's working in fact 80% of her time
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she said is spent cleaning animal waste
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which can be physically grueling when
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you're dealing with large animals like
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giraffes and yet she told me that her
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job is really meaningful in fact she
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thinks of it as a calling when I asked
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her several years ago what makes your
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life meaningful this is what she told me
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my purpose she said isn't cleaning up
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animal waste my purpose is caring for
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the animals and doing everything I can
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to make their lives as good and as rich
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as possible none of the animals here she
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said chose to be here and yet I have a
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responsibility to ensure that their
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lives are as healthy and assume
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is I can make them so my book was
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inspired by the stories of people like
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Ashley people whose stories I thought
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weren't being celebrated in our culture
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and in our conversations about what a
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good life is in our culture we're
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constantly getting the message that a
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good life is a happy life that we should
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pursue happiness and a life of comfort
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and ease and that if we do we'll end up
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being healthier and more successful
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better liked more attractive even the
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whole point and purpose of life were led
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to believe is to feel happy but as I was
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reflecting on that message several years
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ago in this building I realized that so
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many of the people who I admire most and
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who I look up to weren't focused on the
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single-minded pursuit of their own
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happiness they were devoted instead to
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leading meaningful lives in other words
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they were focused on how they could
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contribute to and improve the world
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around them so these were you know the
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quiet heroes of everyday life the nurses
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the teachers the parents the plumbers
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the bureaucrats who through their
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contributions helped made the world go
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round but they were also the great men
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and women of history Socrates and the
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Buddha Martin Luther King jr. and mother
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Teresa people who led hard lives but
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good lives so I think at this point I
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should say I don't have any problems
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with happiness I like to feel happy and
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I want the people I love to be happy as
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well
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but I do think that the happiness
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zeitgeist has led us astray so happiness
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is a positive emotion it comes and goes
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it's ephemeral and scientists have found
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that when we chase happiness and when we
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set it as our goal and pursue it
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single-mindedly that we ultimately end
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up feeling unhappy and even lonely but
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it's different with meaning so meaning
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the defining feature of a meaningful
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life is connecting and contributing to
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something that's bigger than you are and
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when we devote ourselves to this when we
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devote ourselves to leading meaningful
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lives we ultimately experience a deeper
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and more enduring form of well-being we
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feel more satisfied more at peace more
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content and I think this makes sense
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because human beings are meaning seeking
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creatures we yearn for meaning when we
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look up at the stars for example we
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don't see random balls of fire
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we see constellations we see warriors
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and bears we craft myths and stories
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about what we see we wonder about our
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place in the universe how the world came
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to be how we can make our individual
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lives count in the grand scheme of
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things we all want to know that our
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lives amount to more than the sum of our
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experiences that they matter
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we all need a why or reason to help us
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get through the good and the bad of life
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and no to people I found researching my
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book will necessarily have the same why
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so for the last several years I've
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traveled all across the country and I've
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spoken to dozens of people about what
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makes their lives meaningful people like
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Ashley but also a former drug dealer and
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astronaut a woman dying of cancer
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I spoke to psychologists and
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sociologists and philosophers and I
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wanted to know what exactly the building
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blocks of a meaningful life are and how
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we can build them up in our own lives
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along the way no two people told me the
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exact same things we all find meaning in
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our own individual ways at the same time
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there were four themes I found that came
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up again and again in the stories that I
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heard and in the research that I read
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when people talk about what makes their
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lives meaningful they talk about having
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a sense of belonging so being in
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relationships where we feel valued and
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like we matter and where we treat other
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people like they're valued and like they
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matter they talked about having purpose
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so something worthwhile to do with their
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time they talked about storytelling or
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crafting narratives that help them
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understand themselves and their place in
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the world and they talked about
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transcendence these moments in nature or
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through prayer and ritual where they
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felt a sense of self loss and connected
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to something much bigger than themselves
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so those are the four pillars or
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building blocks of a meaningful life
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purpose belonging storytelling and
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transcendence so I talked about all of
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them in my book but I want to dive a
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little bit more closely into
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storytelling right now because I think
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it might be the most interesting and
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perhaps unexpected of the pillars so
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storytelling is really about your own
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life story what's the story that you
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tell yourself about
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life it's the act of taking our
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experiences and weaving them into a
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narrative that explains who we are and
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where we came from it's it's how we make
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sense of our experiences and the person
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that we've been and it's the act itself
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and not necessarily even sharing our
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story with others that really builds
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meaning because it provides a framework
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it helps us see the patterns within our
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lives and it gives our lives a sense of
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coherence and integration but not all
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stories it turns out are created equal
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when it comes to leading a meaningful
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life the psychologist Dan McAdams at
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Northwestern University has studied
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people leading meaningful lives and he's
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found that they all tell particular
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kinds of stories about their lives in
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particular they tell stories of
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redemption which are stories that move
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from bad to good so let me give you an
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example I spoke to a man several years
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ago named Carlos Eyre so Carlos he's in
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his 50s now and he grew up in Havana
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Havana Cuba and he was just a child when
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the Cuban Revolution happened and he
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talks about the Revolution as the place
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in his where his narrative broke into so
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before the Revolution he was leading a
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really happy pampered life in Havana
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doing what mischievous boys do and after
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the Revolution he was forced to flee to
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America his parents did not come so he
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was an orphan he lived in dire poverty
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experienced discrimination daily for
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being Cuban so it was it was a very
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difficult life and yet as he was telling
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me his story he said even though that
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was hard and even though the Revolution
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completely changed the path of my life I
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grew as a result of it I became a more
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compassionate person because I suffered
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and so I began to understand the
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suffering of others more deeply my
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spiritual life deepened he said I was
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able to discover what my purpose
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ultimately is which is he's a historian
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so he that that's what his purpose is it
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was difficult for him and it took him
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years to make sense of that traumatic
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experience in his life and it was a
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painful process but it was one that
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ultimately brought him a sense of peace
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and resolution about a difficult chapter
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in his life story
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now you can imagine Carlos taking the
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same exact events and experiences and
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crafting a very different type of story
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about them so he could have said I was
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leading a really wonderful life in Cuba
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in my childhood and then the Revolution
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happened and it ruined everything he
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never saw his father again for example
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but he didn't tell that story he chose
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to tell a different story
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and psychologists find that when people
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tell the negative kinds of stories the
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stories that move from bad if Empress
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excuse me from good to bad I was in
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Havana Cuba and then the revolution
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happened and then everything was ruined
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but they actually experienced more
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depression and they're more likely to
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experience their lives as less
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meaningful but Carlos chose to tell a
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different story and we all have the
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power to do that we're all the authors
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of our own stories we can interpret our
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stories we can revise them and we can
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edit them to lead more meaningful lives
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and to experience more meaning in life
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and one of my favorite studies about
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this was actually by Adam grant and a
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researcher at the University of Michigan
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named dick Jane Dutton and they had
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participants come into their lab and
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they divided them into two and they told
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half of them to tell a story about
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themselves being a generous person and
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they told the other half to tell a story
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about themselves as being the recipient
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of someone else's generosity and what
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they found was that the people who told
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the story about themselves being
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generous ultimately went out after the
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study and were more generous the story
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they told changed their behavior and led
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them to lead life in more meaningful
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ways there's a myth in our culture that
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this search for meaning that leading a
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meaningful life is some grand pursuit
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that you have to cure cancer or write
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the great American novel in order to
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lead a meaningful life but that's not
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true if you want to lead a meaningful
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life be a storyteller take ten minutes
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of your day and reflect on what the
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defining moments of your life are ask
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yourself how do these experiences make
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me grow it might be a painful process
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because some of us are shaped most
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profoundly through suffering and law
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but try to find a positive meaning in
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those experiences we all have the power
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to tell and to retell our life story in
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more positive ways so tell a story that
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moves you forward thank you
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[Applause]

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Episode Highlights

  • Ashley Richmond's Dream Job
    A zookeeper finds meaning in caring for animals despite the grueling work.
    “This is my dream job.”
    @ 01m 16s
    March 17, 2017
  • The Power of Meaning
    Emily Esfahani Smith discusses the difference between happiness and meaning in life.
    “The defining feature of a meaningful life is connecting and contributing to something bigger than you are.”
    @ 03m 56s
    March 17, 2017
  • Four Pillars of Meaning
    Emily identifies four key elements that contribute to a meaningful life: purpose, belonging, storytelling, and transcendence.
    “Purpose, belonging, storytelling, and transcendence are the four pillars of a meaningful life.”
    @ 06m 12s
    March 17, 2017

Episode Quotes

  • My purpose isn’t cleaning up animal waste; it’s caring for the animals.
    Emily Esfahani Smith on Crafting a Life that Matters
  • We’re all the authors of our own stories.
    Emily Esfahani Smith on Crafting a Life that Matters

Key Moments

  • Ashley the Zookeeper01:19
  • Meaningful Life03:56
  • Storytelling06:21
  • Personal Narrative06:32

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