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Kelsey Crowe on What to Do When Life Is Scary and Unfair

March 17, 2017 / 13:59

This episode features Kelsey Crow, author of There’s No Good Card for This, discussing empathy and support during difficult times.

Kelsey shares her personal experiences, including a story about her friend Katie and a conversation about breast cancer. She emphasizes the importance of empathy and how shared experiences of pain can connect us.

She identifies three empathy roadblocks that prevent people from showing up for others in need, such as lack of time and fear of making things worse. Kelsey also introduces the concept of an empathy menu, which provides practical ways to support friends during tough times.

The episode highlights the significance of simply being present for others and how small gestures can have a lasting impact. Kelsey reflects on her own challenges with family and mental health, reinforcing the need for kindness and connection.

Listeners are encouraged to embrace their authentic gifts and offer support in manageable ways, demonstrating that adequate kindness is better than none.

TLDR

Kelsey Crow discusses empathy and practical support for friends during difficult times, emphasizing the importance of simply showing up.

Episode

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[Music] hi good evening I'm Kelsey crow i'm the author of there's no good card for this
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what to do and say when life is scary awful and unfair to the people you love and i am also feeling like a lot of self
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improvement efforts are going to be going my way after your presentation i wrote the book based on work that I and
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several other people do for an organization i founded called help each other out and we create tools that are
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practical that make it easier for us as friends of colleagues as neighbors even as strangers to support each other when
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we're going through something difficult that could be lost illness divorce you
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name it any difficult time that can make a shy away when we don't know what to do
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or say and I open the book with a story that I want to share with you tonight and it's actually a story that happened
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between me and my friend katie katie and kelsey to moms were out for a run one morning as the two friends ran slowly up
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a hill katie chatted idly about herself what should i do this weekend maybe a movie though i need a haircut something
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short should i get bangs again then kelsey slowed to a stop Katie kelsey said i was diagnosed with breast cancer
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yesterday Katie's mouth went dry what do I say I'm so sorry she said that must be
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so horrible for you and then she said have you seen terms of endearment the two friends were at the bottom of the
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hill now they stopped again and Kelsey as if catching her breath stared at her incredulously the movie yeah Katie sent
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with Debra Winger right and she's a mom who dies of breast cancer Oh Katie's
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mind tumbled and turned she was talking about that movie but she meant to reference another part a funny part
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humor was always Katie's first resort for everything including being scared we've all been there haven't we for you
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regret the thing that you said or did your driving in the car cringing we've
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also lost phul we've also all been that person in pain we may not have experienced the same situation of
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somebody else but we know what it is to be in our darkest hour you may for example be a stranger to the loss of a
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significant loved one but you may be no stranger to being lost and profound grief you may be a stranger to losing
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your job but you are no stranger to having your confidence broken tapping into our shared experience of pain even
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when our situations that enveloped that pain are different is the practice of empathy and that's why in my work would
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help each other out in the book I talk about practical things to say and do and I also talk about empathy and how we can
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feel confident that we actually already know what to do being in pain and not knowing what to do shows us that we are
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not on the 18 and as anybody who's been in a difficult time knows being on the B
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team is no fun grief rearranges your address book grief is a time for us to know who you can count on and who you
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can't and yet if if it is so important for us to be there for each other if it
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is so important that we connect why don't we and that's where I name three
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empathy roblox to showing up these may be that I don't have the time right our lives are busy they're full
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who has a time to add one more person onto their plate it may be that I don't
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want to make things worse that what I do or say is actually going to make someone
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feel even worse than they already do or we feel like we don't want to pry but I
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don't belong in this situation but they wouldn't want me to acknowledge what
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they're going through but here's the thing we're making this all way harder
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than it has to be and I learned this from my daughter Georgia who was five years old at the time we were driving
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and she asked me from the back seat mom what do you do for a living that's a
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difficult question for me but I ventured a response and I said Georgia I try to help friends be there for each other oh
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she said that's easy she should not do PR for my book I said it's easy why what
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would you do and she said this you gave some ideas of what friends can do for each other when they're sad thank you
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sorry mm-hmm you want to play with me want to kick down your screen mm-hmm I fell um you wanna take a break do you
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want you have a little hug that's it I'm done except I'm not right it sounds so
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simple and simple isn't always easy something happens to us from when were that age to now where we become all self
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conscious about how to be there for French and a lot of that boils down to us believing that we have failed in the
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path to connect and that we are actually just not good at this there must be me imagine some perfect person out there
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with the perfect gesture that could heal this person's pain but if you've been in pain is that
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perfect person the one you're looking for to support you usually it's the
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opposite we're not looking for the perfect person to help us in our darkest hour and we are not looking for the
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perfect gesture to get us through our difficult time and this I realize is very instrumental when thinking about
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how we can reach out to others in their difficult time I have here gesture cards
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which ask people to describe something that got them through their difficult time often these are acts that are
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remembered recalled from years back and that people still remember today and here are some examples talking just the
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opportunity to talk about what you're going through my sister came to my house
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after a terrible breakup and made me something to eat she doesn't normally come over it meant a lot my auntie
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babysits my brother and my mom gets medicine I had a miscarriage and my colleague sent me a beautiful bouquet of
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flowers with a lovely heartfelt message attached a friend I hadn't heard from in
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years wrote a card that said you are in the hands of many capable people including your own how many of these
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gestures require a significant grasp of human psychology how many of them actually take a lot of time not much we
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put a whole lot more pressure on ourselves to be the perfect person than anyone in a difficult time is I did a
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lot of research asking people what work for you and what didn't to get you through your difficult time a lot of
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that is the basis of the and of my workshops and I presented this opportunity for people to talk with me
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as an opportunity to vent get this off your chest this person didn't do this
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this person didn't do that they should have done this and they should have done
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that and what they would tell me over and over again was the value of just showing up but that's what they
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remembered more than what anybody said or did and that was very hard for me I believe because I was really looking to
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stay out of the doghouse and I wanted rules for the road to keep other case I could not believe that really just
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showing up was so important and then I went to a training by dr. Garfield he founded a nonprofit called Shanti that
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helps people volunteers who care for the sick and dying and in his training he opens it up by saying people want skills
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they want to know how to do this how to do that but more than skills what really
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really gets you trust is the kindness that brings you to them in the first place and I should have realized that
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just from my own personal story because obviously a lot of people have this cringe-inducing experience of not
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knowing what to do or say right we've all been there then we shake it off and
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move on but I couldn't move on and this is the reason that i started help each
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other out see I only grew up with my mom I didn't know my dad and I had no extended relatives she was my tiny very
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loving family she also had schizophrenia and when I was 19 she stopped taking her
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psychotropic medication and when I was 23 she became so paranoid that she changed the locks changed her phone
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number and shut me out of her life entirely there were no phone calls there were no
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cars because the loss of the mind does not have a ritual for morning and save for the support of my very close friends
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and one of whom is here tonight the loss of my entire family happened without a mention what I did with that grief was
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not to know how to support somebody else in their difficult time but it did make
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me know that it mattered in our society we're conditioned to think that being
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productive is how we contribute and what one woman told me whose child has a terrible terrible disease is that just
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by listening people are really contributing to the conversation how can we make our kindness manageable so that
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we actually show up and sometimes you may not even be a very good listener so what else can you do you may not be
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around to listen so that's where I devised the empathy menu it's a roster
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of things that you can do to support somebody in a good time in a difficult time it could be cooking it could be
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driving it could be cleaning you could be listening it could be writing a really great card but i did say cooking
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and the thing is is I hate to cook you do not want my casserole no matter how sick you are and herein lies the beauty
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of the empty menu is that you pick from that empathy menu two to three things that you like to do to the three things
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that actually give you joy to do for example i do like buying flowers getting to put together a bouquet for me that's
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some good me time I can do that for somebody else and no is going to ask me and that's the thing
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about kindness if people do not ask you to be kind you just have to offer it but
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to offer it you have to trust your authentic gift so you pick from your empathy menu two to three things that
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you like to do and offer that gift that small gift is adequate and because we can be in a village where everyone
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offers a small gift that adequate becomes awesome because adequate is better than nothing
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Episode Highlights

  • Empathy in Difficult Times
    Kelsey Crow discusses the importance of empathy and practical support during tough times.
    “Grief rearranges your address book.”
    @ 03m 53s
    March 17, 2017
  • The Empathy Menu
    Kelsey introduces the concept of an empathy menu to help support friends in need.
    “Adequate is better than nothing.”
    @ 13m 43s
    March 17, 2017

Episode Quotes

  • Grief rearranges your address book.
    Kelsey Crowe on What to Do When Life Is Scary and Unfair
  • Simple isn't always easy.
    Kelsey Crowe on What to Do When Life Is Scary and Unfair
  • Adequate is better than nothing.
    Kelsey Crowe on What to Do When Life Is Scary and Unfair

Key Moments

  • Introduction00:08
  • Breast Cancer Diagnosis01:31
  • Empathy Practice03:12
  • Empathy Menu Concept12:12

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