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Why Better Urban Planning Won't Reduce Traffic -- but Taxes Will

February 09, 2016 / 09:43

This episode discusses urban form, travel behavior, and the impact of urban density on transportation choices. Key topics include the relationship between urban density and driving habits, social costs of personal transportation, and the effectiveness of local versus federal solutions for pollution and congestion.

Dr. Rosen presents findings on how urban density affects travel behavior, noting that a 10% increase in density correlates with a 1% reduction in driving. He emphasizes that this relationship is straightforward, contrary to expectations of complexity.

The discussion highlights the limited impact of urban policies on global warming, arguing that local solutions are insufficient without federal intervention. Dr. Rosen cites the example of British Columbia's carbon tax as a successful approach to addressing emissions.

Additionally, the episode covers the methodology used in the research, which includes extensive travel data and satellite imagery to analyze local environments. Dr. Rosen explains the importance of understanding congestion and land use in urban planning.

Overall, the episode presents a critical view of urban planning strategies and their implications for transportation and environmental policy.

TL;DR

Urban density significantly influences travel behavior, reducing driving but requiring federal solutions for effective pollution control.

Episode

9:43
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yes I'm interested in understanding how
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what we call urban former effects travel
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behavior so by urban form I mean all
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sorts of characteristics of the built
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environment you live in so density is
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the amount of jobs were achieved to
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residency is a quantity of roads and all
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of those characteristics and we're
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interested in how this is going to
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affect the way you travel and how many
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miles you actually do and how many miles
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you do especially by car why are we
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concerned by that because there are some
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social cost associated with using
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personal transportation so we know for
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each mile that we drive society anchors
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a caste or three or four cents maybe
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well maybe were slightly more associated
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with two different forms of pollution
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one is greenhouse gas emissions I a
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carbon that fosters climate change
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global warming and all of that and the
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second one is much more localized small
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particulates which typically give asthma
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to babies and all people and from time
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to time they die
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so what we found is that urban density
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measured by summing the quantity of jobs
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and residence in whatever five miles
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around where you live was remind someone
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where you live
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reduces higher urban when density
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reduces your travel so the elasticity is
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typically 10% higher well density leads
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to reduction in traveling of about one
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percent
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so the conclusions that surprised us
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most is the fact that actually we were
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expecting the situation and the results
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to be fairly complicated and fairly
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subtle what we discovered it actually
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reality was for once very simple in the
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sense that there's actually one major
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characteristic of cities that matters
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the moment where we live that matters
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that's the was that's the density were
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around you everything else is really
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well secondary and matters far less and
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what we also found is that those results
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were extremely robust we were also
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expecting like different groups of
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residents to react differently depending
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on where they lived because we were also
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expecting people who like driving to
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live in places where it's easier to
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drive and these to be really important
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in the results actually not at all
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everybody seems to be reacting more or
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less in the same way or at least we
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could not find very much of a difference
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across different groups across different
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types of environments so basically again
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if you were if you bring up what density
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by about well 10% you reduce driving by
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about 1%
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even though we do find some effects but
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this 10% higher than CG leading to one
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percent less driving is actually a very
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small effect so if you want to see what
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it means or what to understand what it
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means in reality if you were to take the
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30 million Americans that live at the
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lowest weight density in rural areas and
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bring them to nearly the highest rent
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density in the country that's a scale of
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displace that's a displacement where the
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scale of Syria at the moment so it's
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massive it's not something that's going
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to happen at all but that would lead to
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a reduction in driving by whatever four
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or five percent some even something that
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is still extremely drastic but slightly
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less so
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so taking again 30 million more
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Americans from northern city areas which
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instead of shootings end up will
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completely bring them to high density
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areas but leaving some people into low
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density areas the effect on electric
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driving would be minimal because who's
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that who that are broked to high-density
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areas will drive less but those that
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actually are left in the low density
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areas will drive lots more
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and this it's nearly what a perfect
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world offset so as a result you won't be
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able to achieve will very much in terms
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of global warming using urban policies
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of that sort what you need to use or to
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go after well pollution you need after
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well local pollution what you need to
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tax for congestion ie the concentration
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will the concentration but of course in
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some areas where the cities so you need
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to make them pay for that and you need
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to tax well carbon well emissions like
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for instance the province of British
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Columbia does in Canada it's a
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resounding with success so I know it's
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politically a really hard proposition in
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this country but that's the one thing
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that works everything else will not do
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very much
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so we have this perception that because
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indeed the federal government in this
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country is not very effective at doing
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very many things that's a lot of the
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solutions have to be local and you are
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whatever Meyers for America and all the
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solutions have to be coming from City
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Hall's and from Wheeling Meijer to some
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extent but global problems they require
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global solutions they require federal
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interventions we are not going to solve
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all global warming by having cities
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practicing smart growth that will only
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achieve very very little and some of it
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like imposing green bells if anything
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might be just counterproductive
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so what sets us about what I eat
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scenario where there's been a lot of
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research so what he's setting us about
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is first we use extensive data for
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travel instead of looking at the tiny
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area and the number of cars we actually
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rely on a big survey done by the
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department of transportation with nearly
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a million trips so that's a very large
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gauge survey then we use extensive
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measures of the local environments where
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people reside so what we've done was
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actually used satellite imagery and grid
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every seeing on a one kilometer by one
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kilometer basis both the description of
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the physical environment but also using
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a vast array of data are coming from the
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census coming from employments and so on
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and so forth and greeting all that to
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know exactly what there is around where
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people leave in terms of number of jobs
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of number of residents how richest
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residents are how educated they are and
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this and that so we use vastly more data
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also to describe the environment and the
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last thing we did it's not because you
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observe a negative correlation between
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how dance and REI is and how little
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people drive that is that this
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relationship is causal this relationship
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may may just be completely spurious
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because again people that like to drive
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may want to live in low-density
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environment so what we've done was to
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design a new methodology to address that
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question looking at the fact that people
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when you in some cases they move what
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will somewhere where car went mm they
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moved to neighborhoods that were very
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highly well comparable in terms of all
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characteristics but some of those
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neighborhoods between 2000 and 2010 got
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a lot more population and not everybody
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moved out or move Dean so we look at
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people how they responded to well
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differences in the amount of population
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went at the guards for zoos that have
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stayed for a long time so that allows us
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to go sorry to be with technical here
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but but dr. Rosen's good to go with
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ruvie selection problem and actually
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make some causal statements where we can
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actually claim that the local
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environment has an effect on the amount
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of driving one that you do but this
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effect again is more
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so what's next is I want to think more
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about what congestion because we think
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of congestion as a big problem it's true
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that to where traffic jams are for
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everyone to see is everywhere
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particularly in developing countries
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where people keep well buying cars with
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economic growth and the situation gets
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worse at the same time we have no
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serious idea about the economic cost of
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that congestion and for that I want to
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be able to use new data that's now made
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available through through web mapping
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with services like Google Maps where you
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can actually get some travel times from
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anywhere to anywhere else in real time
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knowing about the number one of
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travelers you can actually estimate the
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true cost of congestion the other thing
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I want to look at well more is urban
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land use because we tend to think about
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land use as a use so it's something that
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could be one use one day maybe another
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use another day so really key is when we
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build stuff it's for a very very long
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time and very often that stuff is very
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pal it's very well tacky weather to the
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needs of a particular user or set of
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users so when we think about land use we
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can see land use moving from agriculture
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to residential and VC's for everyone to
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see but what's happening to all
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manufacturing it's usually not places we
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go to so some of it gets reconverted
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whenever it's really really central very
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valuable land but there's a lot of
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suburban land in declining cities it
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looks like nothing is happening so we'd
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like to be able to know actually how
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much changes well there is in land use
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well over time among the more
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residential slash manufacturing slash
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with different types of development and
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we will also like to know if things
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revert back with to nature well from
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time to time our perception is not but
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again this is something that we don't
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know

Episode Highlights

  • Impact of Urban Density
    Higher urban density leads to a reduction in travel, specifically by about one percent.
    “Density reduces your travel by about one percent.”
    @ 02m 42s
    February 09, 2016
  • Global Solutions Needed
    Local policies alone won't solve global warming; federal interventions are essential.
    “Global problems require global solutions.”
    @ 04m 55s
    February 09, 2016

Episode Quotes

  • The reality was for once very simple.
    Why Better Urban Planning Won't Reduce Traffic -- but Taxes Will
  • Density reduces your travel by about one percent.
    Why Better Urban Planning Won't Reduce Traffic -- but Taxes Will
  • Global problems require global solutions.
    Why Better Urban Planning Won't Reduce Traffic -- but Taxes Will

Key Moments

  • Urban Density01:56
  • Travel Behavior02:42
  • Global Warming04:55

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