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How to Cut Down on Visits to the ER

August 18, 2014 / 15:12

This episode discusses primary care challenges in the US, focusing on patient-centered medical homes and retainer-based medicine models. Key topics include physician dissatisfaction, patient access to care, and the impact of chronic condition management.

The conversation highlights the frustrations faced by both patients and physicians due to low managed care fees and increasing practice costs. This situation leads to longer wait times for appointments and less face time with physicians, ultimately affecting the quality of care.

Research findings indicate that patient-centered medical homes can reduce emergency room admissions by 5 to 8 percent for patients with chronic conditions like hypertension and diabetes. The episode emphasizes that better management of chronic conditions is a key factor in this reduction.

Additionally, the episode contrasts patient-centered medical homes with retainer-based medicine models, which allow physicians to spend more time with patients but face criticism for being accessible primarily to wealthier individuals. The sustainability of these models is also questioned.

Finally, the discussion touches on ongoing research into both patient-centered medical homes and retainer-based models, aiming to understand their effects on patient outcomes and healthcare costs.

TL;DR

The episode examines primary care issues, focusing on patient-centered medical homes and retainer-based models for improving patient care and access.

Episode

15:12
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there's dissatisfaction and even
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frustration among patients and
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physicians with the state of primary
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care in the US when we're thinking about
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the physicians they're facing low
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managed care fees they're facing
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increasing costs of running a practice
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and that's inevitably leading them to
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spend less time with patients see a lot
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of patients during the day have patient
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wait very long times for appointments
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and that obviously has the potential to
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deteriorate the level of care heard the
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quality and lead to inadequate care
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patients have the same issue they don't
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spend enough time with the physicians
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very little face time leads the
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physician to rely very heavily on
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referrals to specialists and of course
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waiting a long time for an appointment
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has its own problems your condition may
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deteriorate you're delaying very
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necessary care and at the end of the day
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you actually might resort to going to
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the emergency room or or suffer some
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other consequences this is not going to
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get better because this issues with
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inadequate access to care and the fact
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that there's mismanagement of health
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condition is only going to get worse
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with aging population with increasing
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chronic condition prevalence and with
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insurance expansions so with the
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shortened shortage of primary care
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physicians we currently have in the US
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we see regulators we see policy makers
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we see employers and and we see health
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plans looking for innovative ways to
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change the landscape of primary care one
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of those innovation is probably the most
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notable one is the patient-centered
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medical home which we study in this in
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this particular research and we're
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trying to see if the adoption of the
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patient-centered medical home model
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leads to a reduction in the reliance on
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emergency room services
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patient-centered medical home can be
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best described as a model of primary
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care centered on the patient it's a
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team-oriented it relies on accessibility
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to care care coordination and the use of
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IT to provide better care and better
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outcome for for patients most of the
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patient-centered medical homes in the US
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are recognized by the National Committee
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for Quality Assurance or short is NCQA
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unsecure is a non-profit committed to
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improving quality in primary care in
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order to be NCQA recognized the
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practices have to put in processes for
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scheduling appointments with patients
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for communicating with patients for
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organizing documenting and measuring
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clinical outcomes for implementing
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evidence-based guidelines in their
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practices and for organizing and
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tracking referrals and there's a whole
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long list of other things that they need
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to put in place to receive this
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recognition every one of those standards
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elements and factors that are being
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reviewed is getting scored and when you
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aggregate this the score there is a
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determination whether this patient
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whether this clinic becomes a
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patient-centered medical home or not and
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not only that it also determines whether
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the recognition receive a low level or
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high level so there's different levels
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of recognitions if you're a
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patient-centered medical home recognized
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by the NCQA you have access to financial
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incentives that are provided by health
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plans by employers and in kind of in the
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early days of patient-centered medical
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homes which we study also state and
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federal sponsored pilot programs
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we find that practices that went through
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this transition and became a
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patient-centered medical home yeah the
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practice itself becomes the home for the
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patient they're not going anywhere
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there's a team-based approach that
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provides a home for every need that the
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patient has the practices that went
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through this transition have reduced the
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number of emergency room admissions for
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their patients by five to eight percent
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if the patient had a chronic illness if
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the patient did not have a chronic
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illness there was absolutely no
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reduction this is the primary finding
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and then when we drill down and look at
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the different chronic conditions we see
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that a lot of those benefits and the
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biggest reductions that we see happens
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for patients that have either
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hypertension or diabetes in addition to
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that a very interesting thing that we've
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looked at is what's the mechanism that
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leads to this reduction in ed admission
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and one of the finding we see is that
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the reduction in the admission is not
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very sensitive to the timing of the
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visit and what does that mean is that
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the reductions in ED admissions are not
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coming necessarily from the fact that
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the the patient-centered medical home is
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open for longer hours or that it has
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more accessibility but actually from
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better management of chronic conditions
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that basically means that even if you
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seek care in the emergency department on
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weekends when most of those primary care
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clinics are closed you would still have
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the same reduction the same benefit and
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that tells me that your chronic
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condition is under control and it's
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better managed
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I believe what sets our researcher part
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is its scale we look at four hundred and
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sixty thousand patients over four years
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in 280 patient-centered medical homes
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and this this was never done before
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nothing on this particular scale 115,000
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of those patients we see them each and
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every year in our sample and that allows
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us to do things that again we're never
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done in the literature so it's not just
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that we can see what happened to the
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patient population when a practice
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decides to switch to a patient-centered
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medical home but we can see what
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happened to an individual patient when
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their practice switches to a
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patient-centered medical home and follow
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the patient and see if there is a
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different experience for that particular
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patient doing that that particular
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transition
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previous research is very mixed on this
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issue of the benefits of
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patient-centered medical homes so we we
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didn't really know what to expect I I
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see our findings as somewhat comforting
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because we see the effect where we
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expect to see it and we don't see it
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where we expect not to see it let me
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give you an example patients that don't
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have a chronic condition we don't expect
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the patient-centered medical homes to
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have a big impact on on ed admissions
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the main reason why a person ends up in
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the emergency room whether they don't
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have a onic illness is things like
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trauma a motor vehicle crash there's
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nothing in the patients that are come
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centered medical home that makes you a
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better driver that they're not claiming
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to do that on the other hand if you have
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a chronic condition a better management
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of that condition using all the
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processes that ncqa puts in place in the
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practice can have an impact and it's
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very comforting to see that five to
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eight percent of admissions to the
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emergency room are being avoided now we
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have a lot of research that documents
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that many of the visits to the emergency
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room can be prevented it's either that
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the visit is legitimate somebody has a
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problem but if they had better
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management that visit could have been
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avoidable and we still have a lot of
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visits to the emergency room where the
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setting is wrong you could have went to
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your primary care physicians or to
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another setting and received care you
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didn't have to go to this high level of
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acuity a type care
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if the patient-centered medical home
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model is the poster child for innovation
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in primary care the stepchild would be
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at least judging from the lack of
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interest among researchers would be a
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variety of retainer based medicine
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models also known as concierge medicine
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models where the heart of those models
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there is a monetary transfer from
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patients to their physician in the form
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of retainer fee which averages about one
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hundred and fifty dollars per month in
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return the physician is able to reduce
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the size of their panel from what we
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said before about 3,000 patients to no
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more than 600 this allows the physician
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to spend more time with the patient have
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extended visits about half an hour
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visits you know make sure that patients
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can come in on the same day so enhance
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accessibility to care and then patient
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can call their physician they can email
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their physicians so the service aspects
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and the convenience aspects are enhanced
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the retainer base models stem from the
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same dissatisfaction of frustration that
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the patient-centered medical homes
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models stem from but retainer base
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models have not received much attention
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not in the literature and and you know
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to some extent in the media but not all
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that favorable attention and you might
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ask yourself why well there's two main
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reasons why one people view this as
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medicine for the reach this a little bit
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ignore is the fact that most people who
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receive services nowadays in in those
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concierge practices and retainer based
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medicine models our middle class and and
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and one hundred and fifty dollars a
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month we can debate that but for a lot
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of people this is considered to be
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affordable the second and probably the
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biggest criticism of retainer based
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models is its sustainability we have a
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fixed supply of physicians if every
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physician downsize your practice we're
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just going to exacerbate the shore
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stage of primary care physicians this is
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a valid criticism but it ignores a
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couple of things one many physicians
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especially at a certain age in their
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life contemplate retiring contemplate
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maybe changing direction professionally
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working for a pharmaceutical company or
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something like that instead if they can
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go into this retainer base models it
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buys them a couple of more years where
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they can work in this field in a
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different pace the second issue is that
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retainer based models tend to make
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primary care more attractive to young
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doctors who are choosing which field of
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medicine they want to go into and if we
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want to solve the shortage of primary
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care in the long run we have to make
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primary care more attractive and and
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when we see that happening on the ground
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and the last point is that there's many
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models of retainer based medicine that
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do not rely on major reductions in the
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panel size those models typically called
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hybrid models have a huge potential
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because they're both scalable and also
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because they tend to segment patients
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into those who value access to their
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physicians from those who see their
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physicians you just for routine checkups
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and very basic here
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I think in spirit Obamacare fits very
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well with this trend of innovation in
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primary care this innovation when we
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look at patient-centered medical homes
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places the patients in the center and in
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in a way it transitioned us from a world
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in which physicians were paid based on
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volume to a world in which we're trying
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to shift and pay physician based on
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value that they create for their
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patients that's very much in the spirit
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what else is in the spirit is the
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reliance on information technology on
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cost containment on finding ways to have
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other non physicians in the clinic part
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of this medical home that will work at
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the top of their license will engage in
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population management will reach out to
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patients with chronic conditions and
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will follow up and will try to improve
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care to reduce the burden of kind of
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downstream utilization that can happen
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when those are breaks in continua t of
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characters
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there's a couple of research projects
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already underway the first stream deals
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with this heavily understudied returner
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base medicine models this is coming
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through a partnership with one of the
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leading companies in the industry to
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study the real effects of patients who
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stay within a retainer based framework
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and those who find themselves outside of
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that framework what happens when you
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spend half an hour the physician instead
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of 8 or 12 minutes what happens to
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referrals what happens to outcomes what
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happens to your health and what happens
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on the financial side in terms of health
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costs on the other venue the
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patient-centered medical homes our
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partners at independence Blue Cross and
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I have received a very unique data from
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NCQA allowing us to look at all the
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individual scores on all standards
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elements and factors for those practices
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that we've studied in the research I've
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described today this will allow us to
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look under the hood well at the very
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granular level of what is driving change
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and innovation in primary care and allow
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us for the first time to understand the
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elements that are driving this the
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various improvements in care both in
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terms of outcomes and costs
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you

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Episode Highlights

  • Dissatisfaction in Primary Care
    Patients and physicians express frustration with the current state of primary care in the US.
    “There's dissatisfaction and even frustration among patients and physicians.”
    @ 00m 04s
    August 18, 2014
  • Patient-Centered Medical Home Model
    This innovative model focuses on patient-centered care, improving access and coordination.
    “The practice itself becomes the home for the patient.”
    @ 04m 17s
    August 18, 2014
  • Reduction in Emergency Room Admissions
    Patient-centered medical homes have shown a reduction in emergency room visits for chronic patients.
    “Five to eight percent of admissions to the emergency room are being avoided.”
    @ 08m 00s
    August 18, 2014

Episode Quotes

  • This is not going to get better.
    How to Cut Down on Visits to the ER
  • The practice itself becomes the home for the patient.
    How to Cut Down on Visits to the ER
  • Five to eight percent of admissions to the emergency room are being avoided.
    How to Cut Down on Visits to the ER

Key Moments

  • Frustration in Care00:07
  • Access Issues01:30
  • Patient-Centered Care02:14
  • Emergency Room Reduction08:00
  • Innovative Models08:43

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