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hi this is Mike you same I'm on the
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faculty here at the Wharton School and I
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have the privilege today of sitting down
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with Mary McVeigh who is the co-founder
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of soccer Without Borders and we're
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going to be talking next few minutes
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about that sport and Mary's building of
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a worldwide network of people who work
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with young people with women in some
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countries those who are refugees to help
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them through soccer keep their feet on
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the ground and get forward in life so
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Mary great to have you here in the
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studio thanks for having me look forward
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to our dialogue let's just start there
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maybe a little bit with you I think you
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went to Dartmouth College played soccer
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there even turn pro for a while so
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you've got a soccer career behind you
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yourself I do I've played soccer since I
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was four I still play very
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recreationally ambassador but I've just
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been very fortunate to have had the
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chance to you know have that be a part
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of my life and opportunities just kept
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kept coming I guess and I've I've built
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a network of friendships and great
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coaches that have really shaped me and
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reshaped the outcome of my life well
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that's great and most people when they
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play a collegiate sport that at that
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time in their lives when college is
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finished they are finished with the
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sport those who turn pro usually by age
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22 or 23 or they're out of the NBA or
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NFL but you've managed to keep your your
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feet in the sport so to speak even as
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you left professional playing yourself
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and in forming this organization it's
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got a great title a great name for its
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soccer without borders this really is a
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cause driven agenda here so give us the
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a little bit about the mission of your
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organization and why you got it going
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you're the co-founder so why did you do
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this
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so soccer is one of the world's few
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universal languages and that that can be
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really powerful I mean you think about a
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world cup and how many people that
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brings together how many people watch
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how many people are passionate about it
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and so the idea is how do you use that
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to influence positive change how do you
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use that to motivate kids to reach their
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potential how do you use that to build
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bridges across racial economic
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cultural religious divides and really
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bring people together and build
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something positive so that was kind of
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the idea when we set out was it was how
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do we use this sport that has has a lot
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of really important interpersonal
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lessons that you can draw on to build
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character to build skills but then also
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to build community and you know we've
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been exploring that now for 10 years and
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and wouldn't say we've got it perfectly
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right but we're doing something good and
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you know the model has been working it's
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been applied in a lot of different
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contexts and we're excited to keep
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innovating and and keep finding a way to
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use this universal language for positive
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outcomes where I know you've got an
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office in Cambridge Massachusetts that's
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where it all kind of comes from these
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days and you got four or five hundred
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volunteers around the world working with
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you on this but let's make it more
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personal
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fly with you down to Nicaragua maybe
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drive an hour outside of the capital
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there to a small town that's called
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Granada
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after the Spanish town by the same name
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different from the island of Grenada
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which has a certain history that we're
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probably mostly familiar with you're you
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arrived you probably got there by bus
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and just let's make it a start okay not
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even if I said you wish it had been a
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bus so you're you pop out of the back of
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a pickup truck and then what you know
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our goal when I first went to Grenada
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was to find a way to to give access to
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this amazing sport to girls and that's
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something that was really not done there
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was there were so many levels of boys
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soccer and boys sports particularly
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baseball and soccer that had been built
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at the time there was boys leagues from
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under ten all the way up to premier
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league professional but on the women's
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side it was it was virtually
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non-existent and there's a lot of
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cultural economic reasons why that was
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so so the first I would say the first
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memory that I have of really seeing what
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this could do is you know we started
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doing soccer clinics and schools around
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Grenada and I was joined by my friend
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and cook who's now the associate head
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coach
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Penn State and we on our way home from
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from work that day we came across a
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pickup game there were six men playing
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three versus three literally under like
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a streetlight and it was nine or ten
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o'clock at night maybe a little later
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and you couldn't resist and we couldn't
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resist so it was - two of us women and
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then our friendship a who was Nicaraguan
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who had been helping us build the
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program and so we had three we had
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enough to play and so he you know he
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asked could we could we play winner and
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they literally just looked at us and and
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laughed and yeah they had no idea that
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an cook was a Hermann Trophy finalist
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played in the WUSA she's she's amazing
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you were all-american yourself I could
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try to hold my own and so we played in
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and it was a typical style you know you
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score you stay and we won nine games in
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a row and you could see at first it was
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you know who are these women and then it
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was you know they're there they're
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joking with each other oh she beat you
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and they were embarrassed and then by
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the end it was just we were just another
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team common ground and that that was
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when I knew that you know this this
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could change people's perspective they
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didn't need to be embarrassed about
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losing to women it was just they're good
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players and they could see us that way
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really interesting point too because in
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this case you're playing against them
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but nonetheless you bridged across a
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divide by playing against them the
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common ground was the game of soccer and
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it's about getting people to see each
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other for their for who they are for
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their talents not by you know some
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stereotype or some perception of what
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their limits are and getting people
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themselves to see that to you know have
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hoping the girls see you can be anything
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you want to be you know it's not just
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what society tells you your limits are
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so merry when you are there maybe the
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next day after this game you are a
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startup that you've arrived you might
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have a few contacts there but you don't
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have a team you don't have women out
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there girls out there playing yeah so
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take us through the first couple months
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when you had literally nothing and you
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had to build something it's really about
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making contacts and figuring out who who
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are champions on the ground so it wasn't
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about us being able you know me being
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able to go home and do
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from afar it was who are people here
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that believe in the same mission so the
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one of the first things we did was a
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joined men's team since there was no
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women's team and a lot of the men on
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that team are became coaches of ours we
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also managed to find the handful of
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women that had kind of challenged
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tradition and we're playing and roped
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them in to become coaches and then
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literally went door to door or school to
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school to school inviting girls to play
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and you know you do little clinics and
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show them they think they can't play you
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you watch them go through this
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transformation of I can't do that that's
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not for me and then oh I can you know I
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can get to juggles or I can make that
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pass um and and they get hooked because
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it's something exciting it's new there's
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an adult that's interested in me and and
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my skills and I feel positive and and we
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were able to to bring girls into the
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fold that way and get something started
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that could sustain all people doing
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startups say they have some great days
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and they have some really tough ones
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so what we're one or two your setbacks
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along the way there there have been many
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I think one that stands out since we're
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talking about Nicaragua finding finding
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your own limits of what you can and
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can't do you know these the challenges
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of of poverty and of equality that
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they're very complex and you can only
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provide so many services and so many
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resources so we had this one girl yelled
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uh who lived right next to the one
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soccer field in town so she was one of
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those women she had grown up playing
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with boys and she came out to our
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practice and she was talented and you
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know we are lies lit up and saying you
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know we're not here to be professional
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players but you know this girl clearly
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has a passion for it I'm so through the
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program she ended up playing for the
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under-21 national team which was very
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disorganized at the time but you know
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existed a huge breakthrough resource but
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just the complexity of the need she had
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you know her parents were really upset
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that she made the national team it was a
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Managua meant she she couldn't do as
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many chores around the house you know
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who's gonna pick up that slack
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the the national team was paying for her
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bus fare which they would oftentimes
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steal you know if you're gonna have this
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resource why should it be used for sport
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that's crazy it was just very
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complicated health issues you know
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somebody who's coming from a background
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that that she had her nutritional needs
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hadn't been met so playing at a higher
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level could her body handle that so it
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just sort of took us down a road of you
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know can we be a school and a hospital
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and a counselor and all of these things
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you know what's the limits of what we
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can do and the answer was yes and the
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answer was was actually no you know she
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ended up not being able to to bridge
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that for her at times it took up you
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know all of our focus was on this one
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girl we realized when there were so many
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others that were in the program you
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can't you how many resources can you
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devote to one person so it was really a
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gut check of what can we do what can we
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do well what are the limits and when
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when do you need to let someone go if
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you can't meet the needs that that they
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have I think that lesson always replays
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for me it's recognizing what you can and
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can't do and making sure the things you
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do you do choose to do that you can
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sustain them and do them well you know
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it's like a lot of people getting
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anything going they've got a vision or
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where they want to go but the actual
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model of how to do it you gotta kind of
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event by doing and learning and two
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steps forward and one step back so that
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was you you ready to reference the title
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of your organization no soccer Without
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Borders so help us understand what you
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mean by Without Borders I'm you know I
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think it speaks to the universality of
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the game and it also speaks to breaking
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down barriers it's it's about how do we
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erase some barriers that that exist in
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in the world for based on different
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circumstances so one of our major focus
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areas right now is on the newcomer
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population refugees asylees immigrants
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and you know literally borders comes to
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mind when you think about that and you
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think about people who have our
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stateless have lost their home have been
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you know forced to flee war persecution
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violence and you know how can you help
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them rebuild home
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in a new place and soccer can soccer is
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a pretty powerful tool in that in that
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effort make make the connections so we
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let's take refugees and maybe Turkey
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these days or Greece or or Nicaragua
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there are a couple million people
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traveling by foot today as we speak as
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we well know and as they come into a
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team they build at least a relationship
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with the coaches and parents and so on
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but then how does this bridge into
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something bigger than soccer itself so I
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mean you you hit the nail on the head
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there the family and support of team is
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incredibly powerful and the the mentor
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mentee relationship that's formed with
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the coach but then there's there's other
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concrete skills and resources that kids
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need in order to access opportunities
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and pathways particularly in the u.s.
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you know how do you fill out a FAFSA
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form how do you do you know to take the
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SAT are you prepared for the SAT what
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sort of interview skills do you have are
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you comfortable talking you know talking
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with somebody in presenting presenting
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yourself in a way that could help get
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you a job you know these are all very
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hard skills that kids need to practice
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and coming from a number of different
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cultural backgrounds interrupted
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schooling you know they may not have had
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sort of a pathway that's very consistent
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that builds up to a job or school higher
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education so we're you know trying to
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fill in those gaps I bet one of our one
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of my peers in this work
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I just thought had a great analogy the
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other day said it's like Swiss cheese
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there's a lot of holes and they're not
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all in the same place and so you're
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trying to plug them it's not about a a
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consistent model that's going to work
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for everybody it's about the model
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that's flexible enough to identify the
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holes and provide the resources to fill
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them you know I think historically the
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US Peace Corps often sent people who
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would become coaches and developing
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areas as well and the model that you're
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doing or offering up now is not unlike I
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think what the Peace Corps has done
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historically which is to help people
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through an initial engagement in a
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sporting activity could be badminton
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could be soccer could be baseball in
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some areas
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but it's baseball plus or it's soccer
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plus let's think about the plus and how
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do you after you've got a team maybe
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even a winning team yeah how do you help
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say the girls and Nicaragua then take
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the next step and putting their future
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together
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so one thing we do is is try to identify
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what are what are the obstacles are the
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pitfalls that exist what are the
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challenges that they're gonna face you
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know in Nicaragua some of the research
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would tell you that you're twenty eight
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percent of girls are pregnant by the
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time they're 18 that's a challenge
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fifty-two percent of kids don't make it
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on to secondary school that's a
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challenge so you can identify what are
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sort of the common pitfalls and how can
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we shape our program to address this so
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one thing in Nicaragua we offer is in
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sixth grade we want to bridge that
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transition into secondary school so
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starting in sixth grade we offer we call
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half scholarships public school in
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Nicaragua is not free there's there's
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uniforms
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there's a small matriculation fee so can
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we provide that the girls come when they
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come to an activity they are at a point
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they can use those points to purchase
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school uniforms and school supplies and
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then in secondary school we offer full
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scholarships which they can actually if
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they earn it through the program
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positive participation there's an
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application that we help with they can
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actually choose any secondary school
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they want and and we pay for it
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so we're identifying that this is this
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is a period of life where they can go
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one of two directions how can we
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intervene and make sure it's a positive
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path so it's I think that's how you know
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the Peace Corps has some very concrete
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areas that they focus on and people are
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trained for and I think what we try to
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do is similarly understand the culture
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and context that we're working in and
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make sure that we shape the program to
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meet those specific needs as I think
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about the girls say who are hopefully
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heading towards high school or beyond
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and Nicaragua I'm thinking they're
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residential that are there their
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families live there when it comes to
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people on the immigrant trail they're
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often not there that long families have
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been broken up so a much more difficult
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population to work with how do you go
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about even creating a team
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that's sustainable and and able to
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repeatedly play if people are on the
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move as they often are as immigrants I
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mean that is that is a significant
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challenge so one is you want to catch
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them early and be a resource early so we
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work directly with resettlement agencies
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with schools with community partners
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that would know when people arrive you
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know that they're here and immediately
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try to get them into something positive
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so we don't have a closed door policy
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with with our teams sometimes our teams
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can swell 245 kids over the course of a
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season or more you know it's not what
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people traditionally think of as a team
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but then we do you know kids want to
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play games and and in the United States
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playing games means pass cards and
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paperwork and so bridging that you know
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how do you get a kid ready to be able to
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play on the team that's that's something
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that there's a lot of problem-solving
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that our coaches do and it's also
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motivation for the kids they arrive they
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play in they'd get to know the community
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they immediately have access to all the
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academic support language support but to
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play on that team they got to stick with
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it and you know they can vote with their
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feet they can kind of control their own
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fate in that regard I will say we had we
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had one family that was in our program
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in Oakland that then moved to Greeley
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Colorado where we have another program
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and ended up captaining our middle
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school team and Greeley I think it would
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be so amazing if that could happen more
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often because families do they do move
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and migrate in order to pursue
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opportunities where there's jobs we are
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seeing a huge migration to the Midwest
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central plains
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a Colorado program tends to be a second
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resettlement type of city and so you do
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start to see the differences and where
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people move and where opportunities are
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so married to put my words on it you've
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got a a moment where people can be drawn
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in for the love of the sport but with
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that you open up opportunities and
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channels to help them take the next step
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in life whether it's school or maybe a
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securing unemployment or who knows maybe
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even playing professionally for a year
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or two thinking of it
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way it reminds me again of organizations
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to start out with a particular focus and
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it works but then those who are the
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creators are one of the two co-founders
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you begin to think well what about
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taking that that basic model soccer now
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initially but why just soccer why not
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basketball why not badminton so to use
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the language what about the adjacencies
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you only thought about that so far
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you're not into that maybe you would be
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well I was bathroom a player in high
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school so I have a good start on that
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too but we are part of a network of
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several networks but one that comes to
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mind that kind of speaks to what you're
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talking about is called up to us sports
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and they are a coalition of what we call
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sport-based youth development
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organization so organizations that are
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that Sport Plus or that are doing more
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than sport and it's all different kinds
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of sports it's I can't remember the
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number off the top of my head but it's
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more sports than I knew existed you know
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basketball lacrosse football golf
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there's so many great lessons that you
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can pull out of different sports it's
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ray Youth Olympics just about everything
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yeah it's just you know and each sport
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has has different lessons that are
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inherent yeah I really appreciate those
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of soccer and think in terms of building
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bridges across culture and and across
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divides soccer is uniquely suited for
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that I think but I can also see so much
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value in in each and every sport and the
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skills that it can teach thinking about
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outcome when you look at the end of the
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day of what you've done what would be a
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a metric of when you've succeeded with
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let's make that make it the team down in
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Nicaragua how do you know when that
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particular setting and that particular
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investment of your time was paying off
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you know I think measuring impact with
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kids is is incredibly challenging for
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the same reason that you know when
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you're a parent you you know you're
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planting seeds and you don't know
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exactly what's what's gonna grow but we
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have boiled down what we try to measure
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into five things one is academic
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advancement and you know are they are
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they able to gain access to those
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credentials that are meaningful that are
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going to open
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one is language development particularly
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with newcomers can you acquire the
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language skills you need to participate
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in the economy and access opportunities
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one is social capital so how well are we
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connecting the kids to networks and and
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safety nets I'm one is healthy
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lifestyles which is you know being a
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happy healthy active person who is able
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to avoid risky behaviors and you know
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value their body and the last one is
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personal development which is I think a
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little bit more abstract but we want to
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develop happy confident competent
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compassionate people people who are good
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people I think too often kids have a lot
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of external expectations that are put on
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them you know other people define
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success for them you know it looks like
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pen or her it looks like that job and we
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want to equip the kids with the skills
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they need to reach their full potential
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whatever that is for them and I think
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that's for me if they're happy healthy
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individuals who are reaching their goals
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and and aspiring towards that that's
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good that's good enough for me
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scale here is your opportunity but also
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your challenge you're active and I think
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it's some 50 countries you've got
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programs and Central America Africa and
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Beyond if we think of it that way there
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are probably a billion people out there
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that are in need of this kind of
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transitional moment as they leave early
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childhood and get into later childhood
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and then on so in terms of the number of
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people you're reaching right now and the
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number of young people you'd like to
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reach ten or fifteen years out what kind
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of skill are we looking at
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so just to I don't want to overstate our
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our reach right now but we we've worked
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with kids from more than 50 countries of
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origin but we haven't actually
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programmed in 50 countries do I think
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the model could be relevant to really
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any country absolutely do we have a goal
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of being a behemoths nonprofit not no we
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want to make sure that
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the model is effective that we're being
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true to the communities where we are and
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that we're doing the best we can to meet
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the overwhelming need I've we get
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approached every single week to open a
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new program in some city I know the need
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is there the demand is there so right
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now we're really focused on the places
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where we are how do we maximize that
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infrastructure what are the next few
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places that that really have a need that
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we could replicate but also how do we
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package this tool so that other people
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like us could take it and run with it
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and adapt it to their community we don't
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need to be experts in every culture and
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language across the world but I think if
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we have a tool that works then yeah we
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need to find a way to share it and
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you're probably eminently eminently
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scalable because you do depend on
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volunteers you don't have to raise a lot
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of money to put a field staff out there
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and in that sense as a as volunteers are
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your fundamental building blocks here in
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principle 10 years out you could be
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reaching any number of communities any
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number of groups around the world the
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volunteers are actually not our building
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block anymore we do have staff
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everywhere yes we leverage volunteers
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for a number of different roles but it's
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led by trained staff I mean when you're
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working with kids I think there's a
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really strong and necessary vetting
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process and training process
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particularly kids of experienced trauma
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to make sure that the people we put in
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the field are trained so volunteers
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serve a very crucial supporting role but
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tend to not be in a leading role and
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that is a limiting factor in terms of
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scale so what we are looking at is who
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are the community organizations that we
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could partner with and that are already
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there that already have that
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infrastructure have that leadership
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see what they're missing like one thing
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that a lot of organizations are missing
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is women in in sport it's we have an
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unbelievable supply of women athletes
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that is incredibly uncommon around the
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world everywhere I go it's it's men who
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are coaching and so it's not surprising
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that women make up less than 10
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and of soccer players in the world's
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global sport when they have nobody to
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see and look to so I think there's a
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there's some opportunity areas for
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things that that we as an American
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organization could export but there's
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also a lot of work to be done here in
00:24:42
our communities here with newcomers
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arriving and girls here who aren't
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accessing sport in the way that they
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could
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thank goodness for many things including
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title nine
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that's probably had certain many factors
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that contributed to women in sports but
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title nine going way back in our history
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part of the u.s. Civil Rights Act has
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probably been vital for helping you now
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have the flow of women who want to work
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with you it was a game-changing moment
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in into to mandate equity and is is an
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incredible statement and you know right
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now I'm following what's going on in
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FIFA very closely in terms of mandating
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not quite equity but participation by
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women at every level you know that's
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gonna trickle down it's gonna open doors
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for girls in sport we're already seeing
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it in Nicaragua but I think those who've
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had the opportunity and that privilege
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from my perspective have an obligation
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to pay it forward and I think that is
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something that really resonates with
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women in the u.s. that you know can we
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create an avenue that they can step up
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and try to find a way to pay it forward
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got a couple more personal closing
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questions here number one what really
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drew you into this what was the I don't
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know triggering moment or the epiphany
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that led you to do what you're doing um
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I think one moment that stands out is
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when I was coaching at Lehigh it was a
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grad student there which is how I met
00:26:08
the founder Ben Gucci Rd he he launched
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this out of Lehigh entrepreneurship
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program I had the chance to travel to
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South America to see the World Cup
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qualifiers for South America and I had
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never been really exposed to the
00:26:25
inequality that that can exist for women
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elsewhere and I saw it it was empty
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stadiums it was there was no program
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there was coaches who were sitting in
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the corner in the shade you know not you
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know they were they were being punished
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to be the women's coach and that just
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really didn't I don't know it's just
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stuck with me it didn't it didn't sit
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well and you know what can I do about
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this and then I met Ben and he had this
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phenomenal idea to to try to address
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some of these inequities to try to
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really build a a microcosm of a better
00:27:01
world through soccer and you know it
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just went from there and maybe last
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query here as you reflect on who you are
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now and how you became what you're doing
00:27:14
and think about the the moments that did
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make a difference in your own life
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course here for those who might be
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watching this particular dialogue who
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are thinking gee I might want to do
00:27:29
something like that yeah what advice
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would you have for somebody who's maybe
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involved in athletics or something
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equivalent who would like to think about
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working with the youth of the world to
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help them get from point A to point B
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the way you've been doing yeah I think
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there's a there's a lot of ways that
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people can get involved I think the
00:27:48
first thing they should do is is really
00:27:50
think about the skills they have and
00:27:52
what they can bring and I think one sort
00:27:55
of misconception is that passion is
00:27:57
enough that you know I like soccer or I
00:27:59
like working with kids you know there's
00:28:02
got to be a way I can help you know
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ultimately running an organization is
00:28:05
business and and businesses need skills
00:28:08
you know we need you need marketing you
00:28:11
need an IT person you need legal help
00:28:14
you need you need skills and I think
00:28:17
that that moment when somebody says you
00:28:20
know I can connect something that I do
00:28:22
well to to a greater good
00:28:25
you know that's magical and we are very
00:28:27
fortunate to have found people who are
00:28:30
willing to help and lend their talents
00:28:32
and skills and resources to what we're
00:28:34
doing at different moments you know one
00:28:36
of my former players at Lehigh helped us
00:28:38
build a website that was prepared for
00:28:41
you know the new mobile world that the
00:28:45
fact that she would apply her talent and
00:28:47
skill for that to to this work is
00:28:49
amazing it's opened all kinds of doors
00:28:51
for us
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I think really reckon you know dialing
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in on what what talent you have to offer
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and if it is coaching or teaching oh my
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gosh you are a Saints because then
00:29:01
people who work with kids they they are
00:29:04
so undervalued and it is it is a skill
00:29:07
so if that's your skill please apply it
00:29:10
to something to an organization that's
00:29:13
doing this work but if you have other
00:29:14
skills you can that can be really useful
00:29:17
too it's great Mary thank you for your
00:29:19
great guidance on that and thank you for
00:29:21
joining a program today thank you so
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much for having me is what an amazing
00:29:25
community and we are so excited to be a
00:29:27
part of it and it'll have you as part of
00:29:29
our community thank you very much thank
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you
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you
