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Breaking-through Barriers to Climate Change

June 30, 2015 / 06:37

This episode discusses short-term decision-making, long-term strategies, climate change, and risk management with Elka Weber from Columbia University.

Elka Weber shares insights on how individuals often delay taking action on climate change until a disaster occurs. The conversation highlights the need for short-term incentives to encourage proactive measures.

Key topics include energy efficiency and flood protection, emphasizing the challenges people face in adopting costly measures that could benefit them in the long run.

Weber notes a surprising conclusion from the research: people expect others to take action on climate change but are less inclined to do so themselves.

The episode also discusses potential solutions, such as long-term loans for energy-efficient measures and flood-proofing, which could make these actions financially attractive.

TL;DR

Elka Weber discusses how short-term incentives can drive long-term climate action and decision-making.

Episode

6:37
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the research that this paper is focusing
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on with Elka Weber colleague from
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Columbia University is really how do we
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link short-term decision-making with
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long-term strategies and in particular
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we are concerned with respect that
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individuals do not adopt measures prior
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to a disaster weather or focus on
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climate change prop before it actually
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may have a serious effect and how we can
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develop measures for actually getting
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them to do this by literally
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highlighting not only the long-term
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aspects of decision making but also the
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fact that they can benefit in the short
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term by doing so this builds on some of
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the work that Daniel Kahneman has done
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in his book Thinking Fast and Slow as
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well as a whole program of research that
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the warden risk management and decision
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process center is following
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key takeaways from this particular paper
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are that unless you can develop some
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short-term incentives to get people to
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think about a long-term issue like
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climate change it's going to be very
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hard for them to take measures today we
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have been looking at two elements in
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this respect one of them has to do with
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energy efficiency and the challenges
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that people have in terms of adopting
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measures that can reduce the carbon in
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the atmosphere but may cost them more
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money up front too and to actually
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invest in and similarly we are looking
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at protection against floods and the use
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of flood insurance and also adapting
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measures that could be fairly costly to
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reduce the damages in the future and
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unless we can develop strategies for
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dealing with that we're not going to be
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able to get people to do them
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I think that the conclusion that
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surprised us the most was that people
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expected others to take these measures
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but they weren't going to take them
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themselves they expected that people
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should be concerned about climate change
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and that other people might be concerned
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but they themselves had less of a
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concern with respect to adopting these
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measures and I think that's what led us
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to really say we've got to figure out
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some ways that they themselves will pay
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attention to taking these steps rather
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than thinking that others may do that
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but they themselves would not
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the one thing that the study dispels is
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that if we believe that people are
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rational in the sense that they make the
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trade-offs between the costs and the
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benefits and think over long periods of
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time which is what they should do in
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theory when they're thinking about the
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benefits of a measure to reduce the cost
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of energy or to improve their house they
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should be thinking over a period of
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years rather than days or weeks or
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months and people don't do that and I
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think that is something we have to
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really appreciate if we're going to
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really be able to make decisions that
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people will actually undertake
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well what we concluded on the basis of
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the research we did is that if we could
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provide some type of long-term loans for
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individuals so that they wouldn't have
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to pay the upfront cost of a
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energy-efficient measure or the
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adaptation of their of to make their
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house safer there would be a lot more
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willing to undertake them particularly
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if they could see the short term
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benefits let me illustrate with respect
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to flood insurance if you actually we
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have a risk-based insurance premium a
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premium that reflects risk and you have
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a person who is willing to make their
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house safer by let's say elevating their
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house of flood proofing their house they
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would get a loan to do this if the
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measure is a cost-effective measure the
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actual reduction in the premium will be
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greater than the cost of the loan and if
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that's the case then the individual
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would say this is financially attractive
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to me in the short run but it also has
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the benefit of making the house safer in
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the long run reducing the cost if there
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happens to be another severe flood in
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the future such as the ones we're having
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currently in Texas and as a result it's
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something that will be attractive not
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only to them but also to all of us
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taxpayers because we'll have to pay a
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lot less in the way of disaster relief
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I think what sets this researcher part
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is we are really trying to link several
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features of risk the risk assessment
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which is the science of risk with risk
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perception which is how people behave to
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risk management which is what we can do
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to improve decision-making very
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similarly a similar analogy is we're
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trying to understand how one should
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behave we're on trying to understand how
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one does behave and they were trying to
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suggest measures as to how we can
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improve behavior so we come closer to
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how what should be
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this research is part of a much longer
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strategy that the Wharton risk
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management and decision process center
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is following we're trying to really
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understand ways that we can develop
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long-term strategies we've just finished
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a book on leadership dispatches with
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respect to Chile and how they responded
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to the earthquake we're in the process
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myself and my colleague Mike you seem
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and Erin Michelle K Jean in working on a
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project on how ceos and CR o's of the
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S&P 500 are dealing with catastrophic
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risk and how we can prove behavior and
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I'm also working with my co-director
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Robert Myer on ways that we can better
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understand developing incentives for
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people to undertake protective measures
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before the disaster rather than waiting
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for the disaster to occur before they
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take action
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