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Breaking-through Barriers to Climate Change

June 30, 2015 / 06:37

This episode discusses short-term decision-making and long-term strategies related to climate change, featuring Elka Weber from Columbia University. Key topics include energy efficiency, flood protection, and the psychological barriers individuals face in adopting preventive measures.

Elka Weber explains the importance of linking immediate incentives to long-term benefits in decision-making. The research emphasizes that people often expect others to take action on climate change while hesitating to do so themselves.

Weber highlights findings that suggest individuals are not making rational trade-offs between costs and benefits over time. The conversation includes potential solutions, such as offering long-term loans for energy-efficient upgrades and flood-proofing homes.

The discussion also touches on the implications of risk perception and management, as well as ongoing research at the Wharton Risk Management and Decision Process Center. This research aims to improve how people approach disaster preparedness and risk mitigation.

Weber concludes with a call for developing strategies that encourage proactive behavior in the face of climate-related risks, rather than waiting for disasters to prompt action.

TLDR

Elka Weber discusses linking short-term incentives to long-term climate change actions to encourage proactive decision-making.

Episode

6:37
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the research that this paper is focusing on with Elka Weber colleague from Columbia University is really how do we
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link short-term decision-making with long-term strategies and in particular we are concerned with respect that
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individuals do not adopt measures prior to a disaster weather or focus on climate change prop before it actually
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may have a serious effect and how we can develop measures for actually getting them to do this by literally
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highlighting not only the long-term aspects of decision making but also the fact that they can benefit in the short
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term by doing so this builds on some of the work that Daniel Kahneman has done in his book Thinking Fast and Slow as
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well as a whole program of research that the warden risk management and decision
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process center is following key takeaways from this particular paper are that unless you can develop some
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short-term incentives to get people to think about a long-term issue like climate change it's going to be very
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hard for them to take measures today we have been looking at two elements in this respect one of them has to do with
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energy efficiency and the challenges that people have in terms of adopting measures that can reduce the carbon in
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the atmosphere but may cost them more money up front too and to actually invest in and similarly we are looking
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at protection against floods and the use of flood insurance and also adapting measures that could be fairly costly to
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reduce the damages in the future and unless we can develop strategies for dealing with that we're not going to be
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able to get people to do them I think that the conclusion that surprised us the most was that people
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expected others to take these measures but they weren't going to take them themselves they expected that people
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should be concerned about climate change and that other people might be concerned
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but they themselves had less of a concern with respect to adopting these measures and I think that's what led us
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to really say we've got to figure out some ways that they themselves will pay
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attention to taking these steps rather than thinking that others may do that but they themselves would not
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the one thing that the study dispels is that if we believe that people are rational in the sense that they make the
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trade-offs between the costs and the benefits and think over long periods of time which is what they should do in
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theory when they're thinking about the benefits of a measure to reduce the cost
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of energy or to improve their house they should be thinking over a period of years rather than days or weeks or
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months and people don't do that and I think that is something we have to really appreciate if we're going to
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really be able to make decisions that people will actually undertake well what we concluded on the basis of
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the research we did is that if we could provide some type of long-term loans for
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individuals so that they wouldn't have to pay the upfront cost of a energy-efficient measure or the
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adaptation of their of to make their house safer there would be a lot more willing to undertake them particularly
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if they could see the short term benefits let me illustrate with respect to flood insurance if you actually we
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have a risk-based insurance premium a premium that reflects risk and you have a person who is willing to make their
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house safer by let's say elevating their house of flood proofing their house they
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would get a loan to do this if the measure is a cost-effective measure the actual reduction in the premium will be
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greater than the cost of the loan and if that's the case then the individual
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would say this is financially attractive to me in the short run but it also has the benefit of making the house safer in
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the long run reducing the cost if there happens to be another severe flood in the future such as the ones we're having
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currently in Texas and as a result it's something that will be attractive not
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only to them but also to all of us taxpayers because we'll have to pay a lot less in the way of disaster relief
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I think what sets this researcher part is we are really trying to link several features of risk the risk assessment
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which is the science of risk with risk perception which is how people behave to risk management which is what we can do
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to improve decision-making very similarly a similar analogy is we're trying to understand how one should
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behave we're on trying to understand how one does behave and they were trying to
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suggest measures as to how we can improve behavior so we come closer to how what should be
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this research is part of a much longer strategy that the Wharton risk management and decision process center
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is following we're trying to really understand ways that we can develop long-term strategies we've just finished
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a book on leadership dispatches with respect to Chile and how they responded to the earthquake we're in the process
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myself and my colleague Mike you seem and Erin Michelle K Jean in working on a project on how ceos and CR o's of the
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S&P 500 are dealing with catastrophic risk and how we can prove behavior and
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I'm also working with my co-director Robert Myer on ways that we can better understand developing incentives for
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people to undertake protective measures before the disaster rather than waiting for the disaster to occur before they
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take action you

Episode Highlights

  • Linking Short-Term Decisions to Long-Term Strategies
    This research explores how to motivate individuals to adopt long-term strategies for climate change by highlighting short-term benefits.
    “Unless you can develop short-term incentives, it's hard for people to take measures today.”
    @ 01m 06s
    June 30, 2015
  • Surprising Expectations About Climate Action
    The study reveals that people expect others to act on climate change, but not themselves.
    “People expected others to take these measures but weren’t going to take them themselves.”
    @ 01m 59s
    June 30, 2015
  • Financial Incentives for Climate Action
    Long-term loans could encourage individuals to invest in energy efficiency and flood protection measures.
    “If we could provide some type of long-term loans, there would be a lot more willing to undertake them.”
    @ 03m 19s
    June 30, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • We need to develop strategies for dealing with climate change.
    Breaking-through Barriers to Climate Change
  • People expect others to take measures, but not themselves.
    Breaking-through Barriers to Climate Change
  • If we could provide long-term loans, more would undertake energy-efficient measures.
    Breaking-through Barriers to Climate Change

Key Moments

  • Short-Term vs Long-Term00:12
  • Incentives for Action01:06
  • Behavioral Insights04:48
  • Risk Management Strategies05:24

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