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It's really interesting that you talk about success factors with regards to that people-centric governance because
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there are so many people out there that wouldn't necessarily link the two. They
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would say governance is a back office function or it's just something about it's just
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how processes work and policies are written. But it's it's so much more than
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that, right? It's a strategic enabler. Yeah. >> Absolutely a strategic enabler. And it's
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not you see okay and today we work you know regulated and some parts of the um industry work in a highly regulated. So
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this isn't at odds with the regulation, but what we say is you need human oversight.
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And even with AI today, it's all around humans at the center of AI. So AI makes
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the processes and the practices much more efficient, but then you have to have that human oversight and that human
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in the loop even at the boardroom, you know, or in the boardroom. You have AI, yes, it can do all the summaries, it can
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do things, it can summarize meetings. It can It is absolute one of absolutely one
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of the things on the agenda on the strategic [clears throat] agenda, but you cannot abdicate decision-making
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and that emotion you have with the organization to technology or AI. >> [music]