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Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade

October 07, 2022 / 01:11:19

This episode features a discussion about comedian Nick Kroll, his career, and experiences in comedy. The hosts, Dana Carvey and David Spade, share insights on Kroll's work in shows like Big Mouth and his audition for Saturday Night Live.

Kroll's influence in comedy is highlighted, particularly his role in Big Mouth and his performances in various projects. Carvey and Spade reflect on Kroll's audition for SNL and how he has become a significant figure in comedy.

The conversation touches on the challenges of performing live and the pressure comedians face, especially during auditions. Kroll shares his experiences with the SNL audition process and the impact of his early career choices.

Additionally, the hosts discuss their own experiences with SNL and the dynamics of working with various celebrities and athletes. They reminisce about memorable moments from the show and the unique challenges of hosting and performing.

The episode concludes with Kroll discussing his upcoming Netflix special, Little Big Boy, and the evolution of his stand-up comedy, emphasizing vulnerability and honesty in his performances.

TLDR

Nick Kroll discusses his career, SNL audition, and new Netflix special with Dana Carvey and David Spade.

Episode

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hi David oh hey Dana who do you what do you want to talk about I want to talk about Nick croll Nick croll God is he
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funny one of the good dudes out there and um you know this is one of the first ones he was not on SNL but he did
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audition and we're trying to get more in the comics that are influenced and uh
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grew up on SNL believe me anyone who auditions for that show and doesn't get
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it there's a story there oh they have something to talk about a story there let's give them something to talk about
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to talk about uh Nick croll was first of all he's does Big Mouth that that's a
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huge show he's got his hands in so many things it's hard to talk about how many
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he's done but um he's in don't worry darling the most talked about movie of
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The Summer don't worry darling that's the one oh he is okay so he's everywhere
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he's on Broadway with John melany yeah he's uh I did a show with him at the
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logo he interviewed me oh yeah and he's so likable and funny and I don't know
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I'm just a fan I like when I go oh yeah oh yeah I don't want to gush no that's
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but I do think SNL might have missed the boat but I I wasn't there I wasn't a fly
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on thewall watching Nick croll do his magic but you know you know sometimes must kick themselves because they do let
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a couple of uh winners go uh and he he's definitely great he wrote for Chappelle
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Show um he's uh I saw a story about don't worry darling and it was on Yahoo
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sports I'm like I think everyone is covering this all right Nick craw Nick craw Nick
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[Music] craw hotels got expensive the thing about Nick croll which I really like but
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some some people don't uh oh hey what I get look I look I get it nobody pops up like a Nick
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craw well I I feel like I I I I felt like I was a fly on the wall of your conversation um what are we talking
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State we talking state tax I'm going to Arizona for the Super Bowl because I'm
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from there and I feel like it would be a real you know boost to the state in general if I went and they'd be so
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excited drop money there yeah I'm one of the biggest stars from Arizona it goes
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Hugh Downs he's great he's funy of course Charles Barkley played on the Suns there
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he played he played for the Suns but he's not he live there he's got a residence s Francisco's got to clean up
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that stinky Town that's a stinky town they got to clean it's terrible it's got
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that that town stinks I gotta clean up San Francisco yeah he's great didn't he
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get did he get pulled over in Pho is that where he got pulled over do you know that story what happened did he say
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he's Elvis in this town no I heard a story that he got pulled over in in I want to say in Arizona speeding
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and they asked him what happened he said he was going to get a [ __ ] the worst part was he was
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heading to my house now I was with him Bobby McGee what do you say Dan I don't want to go
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Blue on this podcast supposed to be friendly and family friendly not anymore not with C I got I was with Charles and
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we went to Bobby McGee which is an old like place to go on Sundays where it's
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like you know a couple toet Tapper songs playing Little Billy Ocean and then uh we were going about a th000 miles an
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hour on the way home and I go are you going to get pulled over he goes [ __ ] that I'm Elvis in this town they're not
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going to do [ __ ] to me and I was like oh and uh they didn't and they didn't pull
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him over and nobody cared everyone loves them is this when is this when you guys
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were still working on your twins reboot I would do it in a second with him this movie was
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terrible now they go you want to do the livv tour you know the golf tour and he goes yeah throw money at me I love he
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just voluntarily gets in trouble just because he yeah I'll do anything for a
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lot of money and everyone's like what oh he was great about the live golf thing
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and all they're after him and goes if I got that kind of money I'd stab my
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relatives I'd stab a relative that was it does it frustrate you guys when someone like that who's that physically
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talented as an athlete is also genuinely honey like bugs the [ __ ] out word nobody
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should get a twer nobody should get a twofer I mean we happen to be we're we're essentially narcissists David and
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I so we're not really skilled at this but we're having a lot of fun doing it
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you can ask us questions too yeah but anyway you look fit you look like you're
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Nick looks cool and I I thought I took off my hat cuz Nick's hair looks cool
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and I'm like [ __ ] that look at this hair dude I just got it D I gotta I'm I'm
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working on it well can I ask a followup do you mind if I follow up with you guys
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about something you this is a conversation we don't have to interview yeah were you guys both there for the
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Nancy carrian episode oh yeah I mean watching it yeah watching it yeah yeah I think the the best performance of any
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SNL I think in my mind that was probably the best performance of any uh person to
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come on the show right and Nancy Carri and did Farley play her or what what really out of left field no I will say
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one of the best sketches was Farley skating with her oh right was that in that that was that episode right I mean
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oh yeah yes we had a lot of hype for that episode she was a huge deal and we got a huge rating and the show was not
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that good and that's happens I was like a you know I was uh was a m that was
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like at my Prime like I was obsessed with comedy just like getting super into it and was and I I remember that episode
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being so excited and one of the first times being like that was not a good episode even as a kid you were like 13
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yeah I was 13 I was like this is not a this is not a strong one not a strong is it oh man everyone only remembers the
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best stuff no one ever remembers how many a night by the time we got the update like the whole First Act sucked
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and luckily we had Dennis Miller you know the cleanup King you know Christ sake you know good carve you got a
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couple Giggles with the lady okay always had this mouth wash spray yeah he had binaka was he a baka boy he well yeah he
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always had a spray thing he was always at least on the surface very relaxed we'd be
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drench and sweat with glue and wigs and we're a Friday night late he goes the
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cat and I his wife is that's why was a nickname we're going to go watch The
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King and I down at the orphan he was in a nice suit no there's only one Dennis he's he is one of my
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favorite voices to do my IQ does or my vocabulary increases when I do Dennis because well I feel like I still
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remember when I think of my D like many Impressions it's it's your impression of
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them it's too if that's what I think of tooo too yeah that's great that is a perfect
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nword if anyone listening wants to learn Dennis Miller Christ sakes you see Eddie
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sa the other night the Topo jio cat it's actually some mouse okay I need a marsupio talking to a man with a
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hunchback all right he would say what am I gleo and I go after 15 years I go what's gleo who's gleo but it just
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sounds funny it's got a K in it I don't know what is it did you did he did he
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know no I didn't dig enough but I I do know that he remember saying SP yeah he
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goes what sometimes in my uh cuz I opened for his black and white special he had two specials Rob Schneider opened
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for one I opened for one because he was com Schneider hey let me get in there spade and [ __ ] hog the first one so
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I go on the road with Dennis and just watch him Crush every night and uh and then he goes I go here's the five words
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I didn't know um from this set and then he goes n that one means nothing sometimes I throw one in just to throw
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off the [ __ ] you know the detectives in the crowd that are trying to [ __ ] one up me and tell their wife they know
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everything I say I like to throw him a [ __ ] curveball now and then yeah so he says one that even he doesn't even
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know he just makes it up and then they stare at their wife and the wife's like
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what's that one he's like I don't know well I love when he does like a football
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player from 1954 I hav't seen movement like that since Nick look neck from the
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Detroit Lions the Brock linebacker who had three seasons before he blew out an MCL okay car yeah uh Nick by the way our
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guest today is Nick coll no it's okay this is all it is anyway yeah but uh this is all that ever was I like this
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Nancy carrian question because it wasn't even a question but uh just a fact that
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it is hard we did that with Dice Clay we had a huge hype and it just wasn't [ __ ] clicking and uh that's when
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everyone watches that don't normally watch and when you're on the show you
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feel this pressure like oh we're going to get new eyeballs and then the episode
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is a is a scker so you're watching SNL like at that early 90s then is when it
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first emerged for you and you're 12 13 14 I mean I'm watching it before then
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really but I'm yes but I am like at Prime like 90 in 91 I'm 13 years old so
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I'm like per just aching for it like want and and obsessed truly obsessed and
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um and what you know again you know when you're it's I think it's that age really
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locks in because you're you're 13 you don't have [ __ ] to do on a Saturday
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night like that's it that's the plan or at least I didn't oh no yeah that's it I
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mean things affect you so much harder as a young adolescent than at any other time in your life it it it do it it so
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it was deep for me and that Nancy carrian thing was such a I mean it's so funny that you bring up dice because
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it's like as if they're both athletes but it was more like comedian you know what I mean but I think dice
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made sense what does he does he come in like let me tell you let me tell you guys how this is GNA go is like is that
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well yeah he was kind of sweet I mean Nora dun chose to boycott that show as you probably remember so there was a
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huge controversy uh I found him kind of sweet he says hey thanks for being nice to me to me and love it I said I'll just
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go the opposite find out who he is but he was pretty funny I go what do you get for a night you know standup you get a
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million dollars and he always said what am I going to do with a million dollars as a way to say I'm getting more you
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know what do you get for two nights you get two million who gets a million for one night what am I going to do he was
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one of the first Arena comedians for a while you know well what what he's going to do is
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buy a lot of weightlifting gloves turns yeah I he translates that into gloves I saw him once at the West Westside comedy
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store anyway the comedy store they had at Westwood so he comes up and he's in
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the whole thing I've never seen him and then he does the cigarette thing around
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his head he's like for three minutes he doesn't say a word he was so charismatic
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he does the thing and he and then he goes I'm going to get you I'm going to
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get you you know and then and then Kennison followed him well he but also I feel like with dice the other thing was
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that he it was like he could have gone two ways because he also did like a Jerry Lewis imp like there was two
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versions of dice right the the the Gemini that we all know him to be the two-sided man yeah that he could have
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gone like you know Fonzy or or Jerry Lewis and he yeah he chose fony I think probably closer to his heart and then
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his his woman voice was really funny oh yes oh dice here's one my favorite jokes
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he goes I'm hey uh he goes this chick blowing me and going up and down knobbing my gob and in the middle of it
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I go come on and she goes what's the hurry they're all the meekest saddest
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women what's the hurry so delicate he goes what's the hurry dice you got a bus
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to catch I go no you do I thought my favorite line of his was will probably have to cut from the
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podcast a lot of these rich guys come out gay later in life you know hey I got a mansion I got a yach I got all this
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stuff what don't I got oh I know balls across the nose it so specific I like when he goes I Dream of
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Genie Nick we get I just have to do one more let our guest speak Happ I saw going a gig and I go you're
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out of your [ __ ] mind why am I trying to construct jokes he goes you ever seen
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I Dream of Genie and I'm in the audience nodding my head uh-huh and he goes uh
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she's in the kitchen with her big tits and she's like hey Master is there
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anything I can do for you and he goes oh no jeie it's okay you can go back in
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your but if she was my genie it would be a little different hey Master is there anything I
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can do for you you know what Genie there is you can make your tongue 8 feet long
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and lick my dick from the kitchen prod my first my first performing actually some of my first
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performing I remember is weirdly doing dice for my we were on a a family trip you know when you're on a family trip
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and there's like a van like the the tour guide has a microphone you know the big
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everybody's in a tour bus and there's a so the the the tour guide was gone it
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was just me and my my family and I took the microphone and just started doing dice for my siblings you know I'm like
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TW 11 years old and I'm like little boy blue he needed the money you know like
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the nursery rhymes were yeah those were killed those are the those are the basis
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of the foundation it's really like he the him and The Jerky Boys were like very very the first version of like
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viral that I like cuz we were passing around those Jerky Boys trank's phone calls for people Frank Rizo open your
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[ __ ] ears Jack you know he goes I'll suck dick like zlocki like I just my wife she's got did you ever do
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prank phone calls with all your voices oh yeah yeah yeah we used to call me and andreww Goldberg who who I created big
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mouth with when we were that age he was my we would do I mean Dan we used to we used to host talent shows as as Wayne
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and G let me guess which were you I probably probably Wayne I was the I was in that moment the alpha of that not
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that you weren't the alpha not that g was the guy next to the guy which is a
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good place to be yeah it's it was a great place looking back I'm like oh G
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was that's the spot that's the sweet spot but but we were doing we were and
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we were just doing Wayne and gar but at like the our the talent show at my middle school but but we would also call
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WFAN the sports radio New York and record them on a cassette tape and and do them for each you know and we would
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call up and you know be like you know I want to I think uh Patrick Ying should be playing point guard you know and they
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you start sort of slow and they'd be like oh okay you know CU he could see over the top and meanwhile little did we
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know that we were foreseeing what was going to happen with the NBA then we would get to remember Andrew Andrew
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going one time he's like Anthony Mason you know that's a very attractive man
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I'd love to give him a bath in jello and they and they at that point is when they
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would cut us off as far as you can yeah we get to the edge and they but we used to call all the time all the time did
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you guys prank call radio stations at all was that a thing recently Adam Ray I was on his podcast he asked me to call a
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local Chinese restaurant as Paul McCartney ordering and it was just completely straight you know and they
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didn't know it was you know I was like this you know we like some egg rolls if
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you got it you know some uh some fried rice you know that sort of thing cuz we enjoy it so much but they didn't have
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any idea was somebody they just go okay it could really be Paul McCarney they don't care don't care [ __ ] done let's
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go let's go yeah so Nancy carrian but what happened was nick croll nick croll
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no Nick let me tell you Dana on Nancy carrian show one of the funny things is Farley's the skater and I was excited
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cuz I was Scott Hamilton and so we were it was a good fit because uh Phil was maybe Vern lanquist and Phil who's
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the master and I got to sit right next to him we were doing our analysis so Nancy carrigan's great she literally has
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to do nothing in the sketch but skate well and and that was perfect cuz we're
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like you're so funny in this but she really didn't she was great but she
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didn't do anything and Farley was surprisingly a good skater yes so he's
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got a funny outfit it's already funny they start we like oh it's going really
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well they're racking up the points you know and then he falls and he gets really pissed off when we go oo that's
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going to hurt him and then they play Pump Up the Jam we're like Pump Up the Jam they will burn oh this is a perfect
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triaxle and then and then he starts wiping out so many times and then he picks her up and throws her and it's a
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dummy and she F so [ __ ] funny it was a great sketch oh was great that one was great and the rest of them were sort of
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crumbling around her but it's not her fault you know G athlete guests are tough no but you can't when you're with
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Farley in a sketch and he's doing physical comedy yeah you just support the Brilliance of of Chris well it's
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also like something like skating which is not something that everybody can do it really is but I'm like oh right he's
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like a Midwestern boy probably grew up playing hockey so it's like he you know
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I I I remember that I remember him flinging that I remember flinging that that dummy every once in a while there's
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the good who you guys were you guys were gone by the time like Payton Manning I was always like surprised that I was
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like oh he's very he he could really carry a joke and move funny for such a big guy you know he was dancing and I
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think it was well we had a you know I was on this show the league it was a show about
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fantasy football Bobby bottle service oh God he he was and we we had all the athletes on they
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all came through that show oh that's right all the football players and it was remember JJ Watt uh and he I was
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like this and you're like some of them were whatever a little but then some of
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them you watch JJ Watt he came in at the beginning of the week he did he he did one day we were at like the Beverly
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Hills Hotel and then he it was the week of the aspies and he shot like two commercial and anb's bit and then came
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back to the end of the week for his last day and by Friday he was a markedly better actor and you're like these guys
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some you know these guys are so smart they they they can learn that quick you know what I mean like a guy like that
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over a week like learns how to act and you're like oh that's why you're one of
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the reasons Beyond being a physical like like you're physically you they took a
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regular person and 25 pered them up like to scale yeah um I was like this is why
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you're so good you learn they can also get coached like a like a by a director
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and then they do they're they're they get knowledge and implement it and so
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it's like on the field and if the director says do it like this they go through their computere and go got it
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and then some can really adapt and and they compete they compete with each other after the fact people will or
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athletes will go my ass and I was better than yours or you know I did better than
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you the one guy who peaked on air was W Gretzky who would seemed very shy very Canadian and uh he's the one we were
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doing a hockey sketch I'd never been on skates in my life and he's so Canadian
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nice he got down on his knees and was lacing up my skates and then he showed me Wayne Gretzky showed me how to hold
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the hockey stick holy [ __ ] that was just ridiculous but these athletes there's a
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Charisma to them you know I do remember that Elvis sketch from uh yes was that Wayne grety Wayne Gretzky Elvis sketch
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from that one right what was it was like a he was singing there was some on the beach Hawaii it was like a Hawaii Elvis
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thing right and he just hit it on air where all of a sudden he's super charismatic and confident just just
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peaked on air you know I mean it makes sense also you're like oh right the greatest [ __ ] goal scorer of all time
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is goingon to like show up on the day yeah just instinctually and Joe I had go ahead oh yeah you had Montana go well
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Montana wouldn't come out of his dressing room for a while cuz he didn't
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think he did well on the show so it's like could you go back and just say hello to Joe I mean that's how hard and
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he did he did absolutely fine and I caught a pass from Joe Montana D in drag as a church lady was a thrill but he
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wouldn't come out he just felt bad you know so they're so driven so driven we
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had uh I only had Michael Jordan I think how was he uh charismatic the most besides Mel Gibson in his prime where
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the women on the show went crazy uh Michael Jordan was the the the person I mean the was it was it Charisma or just
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Legend like was he charismatic or was it just like you understood that you were around this like Phenom of both both
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yeah I think he also understood it and he understood it yes you know he seems like he would have been sort of boundar
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like not not warm but I but I have no it was fun to break through that because you know there were so many people
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wanted his autograph and there were lines and there were issues but his you know I sat next to him and read through
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and being around hands like that you know like a a triple hand and and he was always so competitive he said to me very
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seriously he's he's towering over me and he's Michael Jordan he's a badass and he
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goes do you Golf and I go well little bit you know what do you shoot I go well I'd be lucky to break a hundred long
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Paws staring at me Steely eyes you're not very good are you it was kind of scary but but on the
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day of the I'll leave you with this live we're behind the slats and I could tell
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he's a little I I'd say for him a little nervous maybe and I said if you get in
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trouble just look at the card and read it off the card that's that's no problem
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just read it off the card don't don't pretend just go right at the card so you
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see people and he did but he he had a great show he he has a these guys have a lot of Charisma you know and you put him
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in a show and you can't take your eyes off him sure I mean he but also I do think he he seems like a yeah I could
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see him being I thought he was going to turn to you during the the r to and be like I'm gonna get more laughs than you
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this week I don't know Carvey did well during uh that first sketch and then it got
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personal I feel like that was every line in the Last Dance it was like well yeah
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all I remember is him looking at that laptop and laughing like they' show him
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a scene and he goes [ __ ] you know what I mean they play something for him this
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guy said this about you and he goes yeah okay [Laughter] [Music] so Nick can we can we uh just for a
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second cuz this this is what I when I was watching all your stuff and we did our thing at the Largo yes we did and
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you you interviewed me and stuff and I noticed how um versatile and explosive you were like when you committed it was
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like bam like you were gone and then this intense character whooshing and your resume is so Stout it seems in a
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sense that you made to be on Satur Night Live but there's a there's a catch spot
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where maybe you got too big to be on it early or something or what how did you audition for it officially a few times I
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did I I yeah I mean I think I don't know you guys have probably had I mean like I
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think like everybody it's like if you are a comedian and you know anytime in like
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who was born anytime from like 1970 on at some point you're like I wanted to be
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on Saturday Night Live as you know so that yes I had wanted it um and I you know did improv in college moved to New
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York started doing standup and improv and then started doing characters like kind of like live presentational
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character work on stage um not directly being like I'm gonna try to be on SNL
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but it was like I think that was the The Sweet Spot for me um and then I had I I
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was on a show called caveman the hit show C the GE cavan it's a famous show at this
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point very famous show we almost seven episodes aired um seven I heard it was uh seven months of makeup and then one
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hour taping honestly genu I mean you guys have I mean you guys have both been through the Prosthetics it's like it was
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four hours every morning it was and there were there were we were in every scene so it was 4 hours every morning
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for four months straight mother [ __ ] 13 episodes working 90 hour weeks or whatever it was and and I have intensely
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sensitive skin um and it I think it traumatized my skin basically forever so when it ended it was right at the writer
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strike in 2007 and Jesus yes truly it was we got preempted for the Charlie Bown Christmas special and I knew we
00:26:22
were in trouble because the next week or the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special the week after after we were preempted
00:26:30
for the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special the week after can you refresh my memory about it for a second just
00:26:37
per the I know part so I got cast I was not in the commercials I got cast on the
00:26:44
show I just had gone out to LA for my first pilot season uh and I I got cast on the show I was like the I was sort of
00:26:50
the aeric you know Lefty CH did you go in and read for them like a classic situation
00:26:59
just did you use how did you just me it was like sort of I was the sort of it's
00:27:04
this sort of the I've gotten a lot of my gigs was sort of the Dead Pan like oh
00:27:09
really you know like oh really like you know people like you know the problem everybody talks about like cavemen being
00:27:17
these like you know Chrome Magnum but in reality I have a higher IQ than everyone
00:27:20
I went to [ __ ] Stanford with or whatever that you know that sort of sarcastic mean uh dry so that goes away
00:27:29
thank God Nick in every episode you you guys try to get insurance well so funny because got that
00:27:37
in we go for our first the you know the TS the TCA the big television critics thing oh no they're coaching all of us
00:27:43
we're at the Beverly Wilshire they're coaching all of us to be like everybody
00:27:49
get ready they're gonna come after us that it's a Geico TV show we are you can
00:27:55
be very clear we're not sponsored by Geico right the you know we own the rights to it d d d like it's its own
00:28:01
thing d d d we're all prepared being coached for it we get up on stage and they're immediately all the critics are
00:28:07
like why did you make such a racist show and we're like what we thought we were making they were
00:28:15
making this allegory that it was you know cavemen were a standing for all minorities you know that like we've
00:28:20
gotten discriminated against we're this under the critics did not see this and
00:28:25
so we just got blindsided as like your your show is racist and this is I got to say we were ahead of the game of being
00:28:31
called racist in for a TV show early racist show 2008 2007 this is 2007 we're
00:28:38
talking early this is pre know wow so there wasn't even racism yet was there
00:28:44
no there wasn't it was kind of racist as a show I mean a little bit I mean I
00:28:49
don't I mean I was involved so clearly there was going to be racism in it so we
00:28:55
that goes away then now I'm sort of a free AG again and I started booking stuff like I wasn't I was like oh I'm
00:29:02
going to I felt like I was going to work you know um then I got a call me and melany got a call the same day uh from
00:29:11
Seth Meyers I had met Seth in New York he'd see me do some character stuff and
00:29:15
and melany had also done some stuff Seth had seen him around and and they he wanted to invite us to audition we were
00:29:22
at that moment pitching a movie uh with Tracy Morgan uh that maybe one day we'll make it was melenia and I
00:29:31
had this idea for a you know those Nigerian email scams the Nigerian prince email scams this is the one time that
00:29:37
it's real so it's Tracy Morgan as Lil Mo the deposed dictator from lobia a kind
00:29:45
of a baby doc duvalier kind of a ner Duell and kids they get this email most glorious friend
00:29:53
I have $20 million that must be and and then they all of a sudden there $20 million in the bank account and Tracy
00:30:00
Morgan shows up at their college being like where's my money and Ted s if you're listening Yeah by way you two
00:30:07
writing a movie everyone should just say yes I don't pitch you know we by the way
00:30:11
so we we pitch we with Tracy I don't know if you know we know Tracy you know
00:30:17
Tracy with his little his little hands he's got those little hands resting on
00:30:21
his belly he's taking a nap at at at taking a little rest at three Arts you know in the middle of the pitch
00:30:30
in between pictures and we go Tracy what's going on he goes I will I will not lead a life of quiet
00:30:36
Solitude and we pitched him the movie by the way the first time we went to his apartment in New York the one that
00:30:42
burned down because of fish tank lit on fire and we go to the shark farted or something yeah the the the the Rats of
00:30:50
nim is that what it's called playing quietly in the corner one of his movies
00:30:55
uh taped a poster taped up of it and he's taking us around to all of these are all predators you know he's got his
00:31:02
like he's got like his Shark Tank and his eel tank and we pitch the movie and
00:31:09
we get a call that day being like do you guys want to audition for SNL and we were both obviously not together but we
00:31:16
you know we we were of course excited and so then we spent like you know a few days working on audition in LA and then
00:31:23
flew to New York and and I went to audition uh uh uh you know I I go in it was during the Olympics so we weren't on
00:31:33
the SNL stages we we were at the Conan stage I guess upstairs I think yeah um and I and it was the same year it was me
00:31:42
melany Bobby Monahan is the one who got it that year uh Jordan Peele unfortunately obviously that was the end
00:31:49
of his career that's too bad so talented get a wall yeah Ellie Ellie keer a bunch
00:31:55
of other uh a bunch of other very talented now successful folks all should have gone right on how did you how did
00:32:02
that work it was like did you get a number like you're up first second third
00:32:06
yeah it was one of you get in the room there's like there was a it was a bigger
00:32:09
number I don't know there was probably 20 20 of us or something how many people
00:32:14
in the audience in the bleachers like well so I so I get so we go you know you get called in in groups of four and then
00:32:21
the rest of you are all waiting so we get called in groups of four I get called in somewhere in the middle and I
00:32:26
go I'm waiting backstage there's you know a grip one of the Union guys backstage he goes you gonna do John litz
00:32:34
and I go and and I go I'm gonna do ly litz the the the love child of John litz and L
00:32:41
litz and he looks at me goes save it for the stage and I'm like Jesus get [ __ ]
00:32:47
roasted before I get out there who is it was that bill hater in a costume or something trying to sabotage Bob so then
00:32:54
I get so then I they call me out I get out there and it's just Lauren shut up and I'm
00:33:01
like and I'm like literally just Lauren it's just Lauren and he goes they're
00:33:06
they're outside I'm not gonna do Lauren with you guys go ahead I do it badly but
00:33:11
I do it all day okay so he's like uh they're all they're all outside and I'm
00:33:16
like what I'm doing more I'm leaning into the Canadian version of Laur I'm
00:33:20
not gonna do the so I go they're outside he goes yeah they're out they're outside
00:33:26
I was like are they out there M how great I am and he's like what and I'm
00:33:32
like I and then the stage manager comes over he goes I'm sorry they're on a
00:33:37
bathroom break I I I I pulled I shouldn't have pulled you out so so then I had to go back [ __ ] stage manager
00:33:44
they [ __ ] iced me and Laur and I've just like my first you know I'm trying
00:33:49
to my instinct when I get nervous is to be falsely falsely confident you know they're out there talking about how
00:33:56
great I you know what I mean I that which is a funny thing to say yeah yeah I think you know in that moment he
00:34:02
wasn't a rude but he also was like you know you guys would know him better than
00:34:06
me I don't know what he's thinking but he's not thinking like you know what I'm
00:34:10
gonna give this kid the laugh right now that's so weird Nick that you go shoe
00:34:14
maker has diarrhe I'll be like Howard Stern so you go out and half the people
00:34:18
had left to go to the bathroom and you just see L and then he goes they're all
00:34:23
outside not explaining anything else so you you go uh are they talking about how
00:34:28
great I am and then what happened and then they send me back they send me back WIS after the wings to wait for another
00:34:36
few minutes for everybody to file back in and then I come back out and I do my audition and my audition was good not
00:34:47
great like I know I know in my heart like as as much as I was a character guy I just you know I don't know it just
00:34:56
wasn't it wasn't it wasn't fire I the roughest audience you're getting no
00:35:02
feedback cuz I did one how was your love it oh I didn't do love it ah Lauren
00:35:07
would have liked that but that's that's hard to land that when that because it's
00:35:11
an oil painting right maybe a couple little Giggles you go what was your biggest bit at that time your biggest
00:35:17
Surefire character goto I was doing I don't know if I had Bobby bottle service
00:35:23
yet I was doing my character that I was doing a lot that I would probably do now
00:35:28
anymore was a character named fabr fabr he was the craft services coordinator for That's So
00:35:34
Raven and he was sort of like a you know if it was like a sort of a uh a definitely a character I would not
00:35:45
start doing now which was a a like a a queer blatino you know like those kids in New York you know that like I'd see
00:35:55
on the subway who were just like tough as Naes young like uh queer kids of color who were just I was like nobody is
00:36:04
sharper or funnier or meaner than these kids you know what I mean those like if you saw if you saw them walking down the
00:36:10
street they're like oh no they're gonna make fun of my hair they're GNA make fun
00:36:14
of me and they're gonna and I he was my like filterless character I could say
00:36:18
anything about anyone it was my closest to being David Spade that I could be yeah um but I had to hide behind this
00:36:28
character so I did that I had a few other characters I was doing some version of Gil Fon from that me and
00:36:34
melenia were doing with ohello you know my upper west side middleaged you know or sepag
00:36:40
genarian um I I was doing holiday conic Jr it was a Harry conic Jr just doing holiday songs I I don't even remember a
00:36:50
few other ones it was I was fine I like him I've always been a f I'm a kind of
00:36:56
guy you gotta like I I was like if you put me on there's no way I could have told Lauren if I was
00:37:01
just like the audition's going to be fine but just put me on you know what I
00:37:05
mean put me on the show just put me on the show and it'll be fine so um but I
00:37:11
at that point was really a performer uh John audition um and got cast as a writer but had made it clear I would
00:37:19
write it was I was never it was not I was not putting myself out there to write um but but I knew it was going to
00:37:27
be be okay like I was like I know I'm going to I think I felt at that point secure that I was going to have a career
00:37:34
but it was it was you know it was the lifelong dream was to be on SNL it still is I
00:37:39
mean I had my own sketch show on Comedy Central and there was a part of me that if it was like if they had if Lauren and
00:37:45
came to me being like leave the sketch show come be on Saturday live as like a featured player I would have I would
00:37:51
have done it you know what I mean it was that it's it it holds that power and
00:37:56
Mystique for me still and I and then John got hired and so then I sort of you know and then I
00:38:05
had other friends getting hired around then and and I started to become friends I shot a movie with with Forte and sedus
00:38:12
the next year um called a good old fashioned orgy and and then you know through that and you know Jesse kleene
00:38:21
you know who spayed you know yeah Jesse had gotten hired to be on your show on on on Comedy Central Showbiz show yeah
00:38:28
the Showbiz show and um and she got hired there as and and all my you know so so my audition
00:38:36
was you know it was it's one of those things it's just like you know I I mean I'm sure you guys
00:38:43
have talked to everybody who's I don't know does everybody have had that dreams
00:38:46
of being it's it's whimsical and there's a lot of inputs into that moment how was
00:38:50
Lauren feeling did someone say something sarcastic uh what's the mood what's the
00:38:56
vibe and what and what did they need you know and what did they need at the time
00:39:01
and you they had at that yeah maybe I mean at that point they had they had armison
00:39:07
Seth uh haer uh Samberg sedus I mean let alone Forte so were they trying to add another mail cast
00:39:18
member or looking for they were they they needed I mean they hired Bobby Monahan frankly as Bobby would say they
00:39:23
needed a big guy they needed a big boy yeah that's true um and every version of
00:39:28
me was there so I was not like I I knew and maybe I don't know if you guys like
00:39:35
manifest or don't like I I'm pretty like I don't think like that I'm not like
00:39:40
today I'm GNA be a cast on Saturday Night Live you know what I mean it just was like I was like oh they don't need
00:39:45
me right now you know um maybe in well that's like a gut thing it might just be
00:39:52
true they just you realize they've got like you said if they have every version
00:39:55
of what you do they're like God it's it is another person but sometimes they're
00:39:59
just too many and they go maybe we'll use them next year which doesn't help
00:40:05
[Music] you I have a question two two questions yes one is do you get a time limit does everyone
00:40:14
say you can do whatever you want in six minutes or does I remember it being I want to say it was five minutes and and
00:40:22
I think we were pretty Orthodox about that time limit you know it 20 that would be I I've only been to this comedy
00:40:29
clubs I think we went to see Louis C K and we rolled in and we rolled in a little late and the worst part is
00:40:35
everyone's like a dinner and on the opposite side of the people coming in behind Lauren to watch you they're just
00:40:41
like hey let's go to Huxley later oh we're going to watch a couple of these
00:40:44
guys it's literally nothing to them almost you know what I mean it's so and
00:40:47
then they roll in just half thinking half like oh yeah these are auditions and your whole month is studying for
00:40:54
this it's that's scary and when you when you don't get I'm sorry go ahead Nick no
00:40:58
go ahead please when you don't get something like that is there any weirdness that you have to have does
00:41:05
Seth call you or do you say does he say sorry or I I don't I remember getting a
00:41:12
call I think from my agents and finding out that I didn't get it and that and I
00:41:19
think that John was getting hired as a writer and you know with with all of your comedy buddies especially John who
00:41:26
I've you know I've known since College we did improv together in college he was
00:41:30
a freshman when I was a senior and I always knew he was the funniest person um from then on and I was so happy for
00:41:39
him but you know you couldn't help but feel some tinge of jealousy or envy and
00:41:44
as I did for his whole run on SNL like couldn't be happier more proud of him
00:41:50
and simultaneously like feeling like he had been invited into the club that oh yeah I was not and that even though I
00:41:58
have always felt incredibly welcomed by literally everyone there like including Lauren has always been very nice to me
00:42:07
it's like I've always felt like not uncomfortable in that space you know
00:42:12
what I mean I never felt that you know I think there are people are like oh I didn't get it and then I never felt like
00:42:16
I was welcome like I just always knew everyone there and I felt like it just happened that I was not one of the
00:42:23
people that got it you know well I audition what carry and he didn't get it and he went out there and levitated the
00:42:31
room and put his foot behind his thing and all these Impressions and Phil and I were backstage going well okay Jim's on
00:42:37
it you know so so for whatever reason and then the great thing is is you have so much stuff out there I mean your
00:42:44
resume is huge no It ultimately and it I went and did the league and then I had my own sketch league is famous now I
00:42:51
mean it's like got and my sketch show was my thing that was different than you
00:42:57
know W was different than anything I would have done at SNL and and and I and I'm very proud of and but also it's just
00:43:04
that you know it's also changed over time I think when especially when you guys were on it there were only so many
00:43:09
venues that you had to like if you weren't on SNL there's nothing there's
00:43:15
nothing like to to make you pop through unless you became like the biggest standup or whatever you know by the time
00:43:24
I was by the time I was around I was coming of age and all that it was like you could have a sketch show on Comedy
00:43:30
Central you could get on The Daily Show you could you could you could even start
00:43:35
to be on internet videos that started to like you know Donald Glover gets on like
00:43:38
a sketch that blows up and all of a sudden on you know on not even on YouTube that and then all of a sudden
00:43:44
you you there there all of a sudden it didn't feel like oh no if you don't get
00:43:48
SNL that's that you know you're gonna toil no and I for people who are listening they're just getting
00:43:54
acquainted with Nick Roll uh check out the show and the league and uh you've
00:43:59
done all this animation and uh just touching on this briefly but big mouth is a a smash let's face it yeah which is
00:44:06
about it's bigger than the show smash it's bigger than the show smash Ted
00:44:09
Sandos will not stop talking about it when we have dinner with him when we first started with big mouth you know
00:44:14
Nick Nick coll you know he's a friend of mine I have his number do you want to
00:44:17
see it um but that you've done so many uh and and standup special so I guess
00:44:23
for a second you have a new one coming out this is kind of interesting my first special I did a special in for
00:44:31
Comedy Central but it was kind of a backdoor pilot for croll show called thank you very cool in like 2012 it was
00:44:38
a mix of standup and characters kind of it was a hybrid special at the time uh which function as a sort of Comedy
00:44:44
Central being like Oh okay let's give we get you know I got a sketch show out of
00:44:47
it and then but it's my first special in 10 or more years um it's called Little
00:44:53
Big Boy for Netflix and how did did you warm up for it then what did you tour did you just go to the Largo every night
00:45:01
or what did you work on I you know I had been doing standup kind of as I wouldn't call it a hobby I always
00:45:09
had 20 minutes you know what I mean like you know you're like you're not touring
00:45:12
but you always have 20 minutes yeah like I could always go to Largo and do someone's show or you know Oddball there
00:45:20
was a big that big tour Oddball and oh did you do the Oddball tour I did it one year with it was me it was a year was me
00:45:25
aiz sh MZ jazl neck it was a bunch of excuse me was that fun that sound like kind of a fun it fun that's a good
00:45:35
show because I was not in like talk about Arenas it was all those outdoor sheds it was like those 12 12,000 15,000
00:45:42
seeders well I mean you could have done Arenas it's so funny it'd probably be
00:45:46
easier sometimes Outdoors are tough when I do them it was yeah and we were all you know and they they were flying us on
00:45:50
a all all of us on a plane together it was super fun and I that was still at a time when I had that was new new to me
00:45:59
and and I was with my contemporaries those are all the people like you know Amy and and Aziz and and melany and I
00:46:06
and Ja like we were all you know we were all doing o not maybe not open mics together I mean some of them I was doing
00:46:14
you know we were all started together so that we were all of a sudden playing these massive venues together so um but
00:46:21
I always had like 20 but I was sort of like and around 2018 my girlfriend was like she was like you should why don't
00:46:28
you she's like why don't you do an hour and I was like I'm not the hour I'm not
00:46:32
the hour guy you know it's like it's like that's that's that's Ali you know
00:46:37
Ali Wong or melany or the guy J like those are the standups like they're standups that's what they do that's who
00:46:43
they are I do stand up because I like to do it I like to but I got other [ __ ] I
00:46:48
got to do you know whether I was I've always been lucky to be working as an actor writing producing so and then I
00:46:55
was sort of like you know I don't have a good reason for this and and I kind of
00:46:58
was like you know what I'm going to commit to it and so 2019 I I assembled all the stuff that I those 20 minutes
00:47:04
and started building it built the hour and then toured it properly did a real tour and then got
00:47:10
to it did Australia new New Zealand London came back oh [ __ ] top of 2020 and was like all right I'm gonna shoot it in
00:47:19
in June 2020 and then I don't know do you guys remember the pandemic yes that's what it was that's what it's
00:47:26
called Uh and it shut it all down and you know the special the the tour was called
00:47:31
middle-aged boy it was all about me am I a man or a boy kind of you know I'm 40
00:47:36
at that point I was 41 I hadn't had hadn't gotten married hadn't had kids
00:47:39
hadn't figured anything out and then the pandemic happened and then I ended up
00:47:45
marrying my girlfriend having a baby with my girlfriend and so when the World opened up again oh all of that material
00:47:51
then oh no wow ruined Ru so hard to come up with material yeah that's why I don't
00:47:57
get married I want to do my ACT forever yeah so but but it inform it ended up informing the act and it became about
00:48:04
this larger thing and so then I I toured it the last year kind of picking and popping in and and you know doing a a
00:48:13
weekend in Texas of you know Phoenix and and then I shot it in at the Warner Theater in
00:48:20
DC in uh in June and and and yeah and now it comes out in on September 27th um so can I ask you uh sorry to
00:48:32
interrupt but no please so here you are you know you're so accomplished you've
00:48:36
done all this stuff and oh hello show with melany and everything and so now you're doing this special and so what
00:48:43
what was it about it that you wanted to achieve like are there moments of it you
00:48:48
go wow this is is this is really a next level of standup or did you feel you had
00:48:53
some areas you hadn't done before more vulnerable or anything like that yeah I
00:48:57
think of the what I what I learned the lesson I got out of big mouth which you know it's this it's this animated show
00:49:03
about me and my buddy Andrew Goldberg I mentioned earlier going through puberty so we're it was 13y olds and it was we
00:49:09
were one of the first things on Netflix after animated shows it after Bojack and
00:49:15
they really wanted us to go for it it was it's super dirty incredibly dirty but also same time yeah very emotional
00:49:22
it's a very honest and and I who plays your pubic hairs or there's uh Jack mcre
00:49:28
and Craig Robinson are my pubes yeah got it okay I don't know if I read for that
00:49:33
you did you lived it you sent us some pubic ha I thought was which was very kind I didn't understand the audition I
00:49:40
go here's my pubes world too I was 38 I open the script and Wayne goes g just got
00:49:47
pubes I'm 38 I go to Mike I go what okay but anyway so back to you Nick so what did you what did you try to how
00:49:56
did you feel about so I the lesson I learned from big mouth because what I found was I got rewarded by from people
00:50:02
you know audiences being like you you know feedback was like it's so vulnerable You're being so vulner and
00:50:08
and I and out of that vulnerability came some real I think you both very funny but also very emotional stuff and I
00:50:17
think you know I think Dana you know this and D I think we all have like as a comedian you have you have your your you
00:50:24
figure out how to have your be funny and protect yourself David I know you're
00:50:29
always uh very open and there's no you're never protecting yourself you're
00:50:33
very vulnerable on stage yes um but I think when you're a character guy you got your characters you get to say
00:50:41
everything you could never say as yourself through your characters um or your or you know the the wall we find a
00:50:48
way to have our walls off to protect ourselves I think and and I and I realized with big mouth the more
00:50:53
vulnerable I was the more I was Finding gratification in being honest and and and transparent about stuff and and some
00:51:00
of my favorite standups are the ones who figure out how to share some version of
00:51:05
themselves that they're not that feels real to an audience what was an area you
00:51:10
went to that kind of exposed that you can do it now you have to do it like in a funny way but just the subject you
00:51:15
know I mean I started like I have a premise in there of like uh I there's a bunch of stuff I I I end up telling a a
00:51:22
story about getting my my breakup I got I got dumped like 10 years ago and there's a story that didn't make the
00:51:29
special that inspired it which was like I'd gotten dumped and then um how did
00:51:34
you get dumped text I I was no I we went to a wedding together and then came home
00:51:40
from the wedding and she was the one getting married and first that was the first clue
00:51:46
marrying another man and she wanted me to be the ring bearer and like a little doy dressed and so I I felt frankly
00:51:53
frankly I felt a little emasculated uh um uh but she she just don't she the whole joke is I mean it's
00:52:01
true is she says I'm just not attracted to you um it was that's a rough one yeah it was
00:52:08
a rough one I talk about this story I won't do the bit but it's you know does
00:52:12
anyone look in the mirror and feel good about what they see I ask the audience you know and and I just sort of start to
00:52:18
go into you know whatever the the insecurities that I feel about myself how what the inner voice that now in the
00:52:25
special is is Jason St aam for some reason the the voice that I hear when I look in so your Alter Ego talking to you
00:52:31
talks like Jason look at you look at you that's really good do more of that for a
00:52:38
second I love it can you do the whole special real quick just one hour of course of course well we'll just release
00:52:42
it on the podcast so oh look at you read you read rashy you know so he's just
00:52:49
putting you down like crazy that's a great great premise voice crushing me so
00:52:54
that's fun I just love Jaden's statement I never hear that's funny and real J
00:52:59
jimy what his name Jason what you guys want to talk about what would Jason say about our fly on the wall podcast I love
00:53:06
it I love getting the inside scoop on a show I never gave a [ __ ] about me it begins and end with better
00:53:18
you I was the little old man I'm you so you all right now I'm getting mad about
00:53:24
you have that skill set of uh when you do the character then you you can write as the character in real time much
00:53:31
easier that's hard write Dana right I mean it's much easier to write as the
00:53:36
character yes yes yes definitely but I noticed that very much it's filterless
00:53:41
that I I it I'm able to enter a flow State yeah if I may say something that terribly uh new age is when I get into
00:53:53
charact if I'm really in it in character the filter is removed and I can sort of
00:53:58
yes go and say anything I believe it's a mild form of self hypnosis if you're in
00:54:03
a car with friends for hours and you're just this stuff is coming out of you
00:54:07
where you're you're not even thinking in a character uh it's a very exciting
00:54:12
place to be that's really funny so the special yeah little big boy yeah so the
00:54:17
so the special is much more vulnerable much more honest um than I've been as
00:54:23
myself it was really like because I used to do the show my standup would always be like a way to get into characters you
00:54:28
know and then so this was you know an attempt to do something and I and I wanted to just do it I wanted to be like
00:54:35
no I I I'll put myself up here and and just you know like I'll put myself up
00:54:42
and and and you know and so we did it well Lauren Michaels would say you have a lot of Goodwill in other words your
00:54:50
audience loves you so they're going to go with it but did you like the way uh
00:54:54
without throwing anyone under the bus the way it was sh the way it felt the way you looked at it was it hard to edit
00:54:59
it or or did you did you like the vibe because it's hard to shoot a special with the lighting the audience and how
00:55:06
many shows did you it's always your least favorite show I don't know if you
00:55:09
guys have had this it's always your least favorite show the tour yeah and and luckily we I saved DC DC is a great
00:55:16
comedy in my mind a great comedy Town played there they're smart but they're
00:55:20
not like jaded like New York or La um I had been the the truth is I just come off
00:55:28
of um I'm uh Mel Mel Brooks asked me to do uh history of the World Part Two as a
00:55:37
show as a sketch show for Hulu so what uh yeah so we we just wrapped that before I shot so it's me uh I brought in
00:55:47
Wanda Sykes to to to produce it and staring as well and and Ike Baron Holtz and and his writing partner Dave stassen
00:55:54
and then we gathered bunch of people to to be in it um damn did did you know we Dana we I don't know if you know this we
00:56:03
asked you to be Howard coell in a bit that never got to me I would have done it yeah oh no and th down G Fria down go
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frania we got we got of course the next choice of course David Duvy who's actually was very funny love davidov
00:56:22
yeah he's great but we so shot it as a as a as a series as an eight episode series for Hulu and um and so we had
00:56:31
shot that IID forgot what it was like to make a sketch show it's so [ __ ] exhausting I don't know it's just so so
00:56:39
we we shot that and then I basically had to run right into shooting the special so I was just frankly I didn't have
00:56:46
enough time or energy to be too cons I I that's just sort of in a good way I was
00:56:52
sort of like I did as many shows as I could leading up to it some of them good some of them bad just to remember the
00:56:57
the show and then of course just make sure you tell your people make sure the one I tape is the
00:57:03
[ __ ] worst one and they go okay we'll figure out how to do that no worries
00:57:07
make sure they have the cowboy shot at all times because with mine they forgot to do the uh the Carson J you know the
00:57:13
classic talk show host shot like up upper thigh so it was just either head to toe or kind of chest or neck his eyes
00:57:22
yeah it took me two weeks to get it even watchable cuz on a everyone has 60in you
00:57:27
know 8K and then my face at you know way after the age of 60 just right right in
00:57:33
your living room and things were popping out like holy [ __ ] but it sounds like
00:57:37
you're so B did melbrooks did you know him before this or did you get hey hey
00:57:42
it's Mel Brooks calling how are you kid hi hi yes hello hi um no he yes he had
00:57:49
he actually came and saw oh hello so he must I had a meeting with him me and melany had a meeting with him and he
00:57:54
gave us a box of raisinets when left jeez and and he he um he came to see Oho and then and
00:58:03
then I saw him to present Blazing Saddles at Radio he had met him a few times and wow did they win a Golden fart
00:58:11
award did it did it I'll take it out I'll take it out take it out um he and
00:58:17
that I mean for me it's it's SN Allen Mel Brooks frankly there's nothing more
00:58:22
there's nothing and and when I look at my there's nothing more impactful and
00:58:27
like the producers Blazing Saddles Young Frankenstein Young Frankenstein and and
00:58:33
history of the world were massive for me and I know those movies by heart and the
00:58:38
The Producers ended up being the for me the biggest one for a long period of time in my life that the Gene Wilder Max
00:58:46
B the genan Wilder zero mustell relationship it's it's it's like I can't
00:58:53
tell you how so yeah having him come to us was was massive that's awesome um so
00:58:59
the special is kind of like a throwaway at that point but that's a good way to
00:59:03
do a special it was it didn't allow you to think too much about it but you know
00:59:07
with the specials like you watch it I have to watch it a few times just to look at my [ __ ] ugly face before I
00:59:13
can give notes on the you know what I mean you just watch it you're like the
00:59:18
get all I can see is my my hairline and my double chin that's all I see you know
00:59:23
the first I can't if I go on a show and I feel like I should look at it I put a
00:59:28
iPad like 8 ft away from me and then I'll watch it like from 8 ft away cuz I
00:59:34
don't need to know what I look like at this point in life so but that's what
00:59:38
it's like what are we doing nobody's watching us [ __ ] look like you know what I mean nobody cares
00:59:45
but the comedians we're more vain than the than the Brad Pit and then one person says you look good on you go
00:59:52
really so gross I didn't I know I did Hey look I only had one person say it but when when I did my Nick they go I
01:00:00
had my my opener up there who does a good job and and I was like in the back we're kind of talking and I finally stop
01:00:05
I go listen guys what's that and I go exactly nothing why why isn't he getting
01:00:10
laughs and then I go he's bombing God damn so I go up there do it and my first
01:00:16
10 minutes is work and when you're up there and you're going after your second
01:00:20
joke in my head all I think is this is my special and it's I'm not doing well
01:00:25
at my own show yeah and so I go gross and then afterwards they go you do know they all were required to wear n95s I go
01:00:33
what and they go well they took their masks away and gave them the heavy duty ones they used to do drywall Jes and I
01:00:39
go well and then they go and they had them face the other way just for precautionary reasons and I go well so
01:00:46
and they told him not to laugh but other than that it's just like a regular called n95 oh my God David Spade's n95
01:00:52
but so they go we can we can of course put fake laughs in later make it look like you did good and I go no no I I did
01:01:00
fine I think just and I don't want fake laughs cuz it's more for the people at
01:01:04
home and stuff so I go just play it the way it is and people like the jokes so they don't but it was a little bit of a
01:01:10
kick in the but there's that energy there's just the the feedback for a you
01:01:13
want them to go crazy where everything works fighting it too much I should just come out as a church lady open it up do
01:01:19
a quick change no because I'm why why am I fighting that and then come out as G
01:01:23
and yeah I should do a special just call it you you know what you really want to
01:01:27
see the hits yeah and I'm always Dana Carvey give him the hits give him the hits okay when holl out is there they go
01:01:34
oh you want to hear rich girl now and everyone goes yes the thing about Nick you know he's got a show called Big
01:01:40
Mouth you know with the kids you haven't gotten any pubes and they're going
01:01:44
around saying how are you how's your pubes it's a very funny show you know we
01:01:48
love it h i read for the butthole we um anyway uh thank you for sending us a picture of your butthole by the way
01:01:55
again it here's my prediction for Nick croll yes you before the 50th which is 3 years
01:02:08
from now and I think it could happen sooner more oh the 50th 50th anniversary of
01:02:14
SNL before probably but for for sure before that you will host SNL whoa Ah that's very because it's a critical mass
01:02:24
that you're at and I think senior special but all this stuff all these years it just seems like a natural thing
01:02:31
so by saying that you're what I me it is a yeah it's it's one of those things
01:02:38
that is like it would be very nice it would be a real would it scare the [ __ ] out of you
01:02:44
or not um no I mean it would be scary because you just because it's just it's
01:02:50
just so it being on live like none of that scares me but the place and the place place doesn't scare me but the but
01:02:59
the it's like I get more scared giving a toast at a wedding a friend's wedding
01:03:05
that I do uh than I do like uh like going on stage for 1500 people like because it it just feels more important
01:03:14
I get scared eating toast you really you scared about the roof of your mouth you know here's me here's me 10
01:03:23
minutes from now from now calling Lauren Michaels yeah we just had Nick car on he's so likable he's so funny I think
01:03:29
you should really have him to host right I'm kidding uh we're big fans here and um I
01:03:40
I think he would be terrific I like when you want to redo your audition and have
01:03:43
them go we aren't starting everyone's in the bathroom I go and you go oh you're
01:03:47
going to hold it and then it's just dead silence you go I'll be on the wings I'll
01:03:51
be over there I wish I had said just relive different things you say that he does laugh at oh my God I don't think
01:03:57
there's a thing I can say that go going back and playing that out I don't know
01:04:02
if there's a win for me on that you nailed it though and it just didn't I
01:04:05
think he probably wasn't listening and he's like what but it's also I don't
01:04:08
know when it was for you guys you were in clubs it it's blinding light like I
01:04:12
didn't I couldn't even see him like I could just hear the horror film it's a I
01:04:19
know when you're up there jumping around like John B and no one's laughing if you
01:04:22
host the show Nick right before you come out Lauren will be in the the wings and
01:04:26
he'll go they're all gone and they walk away the crowd Lauren will just say the
01:04:32
same thing he said was that the thing he said would be nobody's here're gone they're all gone Dave did
01:04:39
you Spade did you ever do John Benet on the show I dated her briefly right before
01:04:47
after before the murder no we um no John B was just always like a goto funny in quotes reference in my and everyone's
01:04:57
like what the [ __ ] but most most most of the time people would laugh at it but I
01:05:04
remember my first special I go uh John I saw in The Inquirer after it happened and I go she wasn't as hot without
01:05:11
makeup and everyone's like excuse me and I go she was pretty she wasn't a stunner
01:05:15
I mean she had the the basic bones and and I go by the way not super talented she was good not a super talent I think
01:05:24
it was a lot of hype and then everyone's like wasn't she five and you're doing
01:05:28
jokes about her and I yeah I guess I don't know anyway here fo hey sge sorry sorry RI my headphones all we have
01:05:40
to let Nick go because he's got 15 shows to Nick um you're awesome and um let
01:05:46
this poor guy go enjoy the show I've enjoyed both of you in all of your forms
01:05:51
for many many years so I'm I am genuinely tickled and GR to be H it with you guys so thank you for having me very
01:05:58
cool all right buddy that's very nice and we'll see you out there I like this I like to say this hey
01:06:04
Nick see you around campus yeah see you around campus hey you know what I like to go to that's like my gym that's where
01:06:10
I go to work out go to the store yeah remember I stand in the store in the in in the hallway and I go they go what's
01:06:16
up I go just running my new hour I don't even have one just sounds cool it's
01:06:21
always so competitive over there I don't like playing those places everyone's
01:06:24
like I'll see you guys I'll see you guys on a weird Netflix as a joke Zoom
01:06:28
cocktail party yeah looking forward to I'll see you at Ted's house okay bye
01:06:33
Dana bye goodbye everybody goodbye ad what's hey what's up flies what's up
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fleas what's up people that listen we want to hear from you and your dumb questions questions ask us anything
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01:07:01
one two 3 we get questions could have been worse could have been uh many listeners have written
01:07:10
in about the goodbyes at the end that's what they we call them the good nights
01:07:13
the good nights and when you're backstage and it's like 11:28 you'll
01:07:18
hear good cast for The Good Nights cast for the good nights and then you hear that music that's kind of like sad and
01:07:25
weird and very Mel it's over it'll all be over soon who [ __ ] wrote that thing probably Cheryl
01:07:33
or GE oh Cheryl I love um I love G uh okay the we didn't finish question uh the credits roll in the host musical
01:07:41
guest the cast we hug chat and Stage is it awkward any stories well the first two years for me I didn't want to be in
01:07:49
the front because it looks too thirsty and embarrassing so I'd run in the back
01:07:53
with Adam and uh whoever Farley would of eventually within milliseconds get to the front and and we'd always uh talk to
01:08:01
each other go I go Farley you going to run and hug Tom Hanks or you going to climb on his shoulders because you're
01:08:05
doing something obvious right in front of the camera no you are he's so shame and then we
01:08:12
would all just go who's going to be the first one to squeeze up to the front and
01:08:16
give him a hug or get stiffed where you go to hug him on camera and they turn over here to Kevin you oh Shen Conor
01:08:24
what yeah yeah I didn't want to be it it was kind of embarrassing here's the deal
01:08:29
show Ross Pro here's the deal we just did a show 9 before and we did the good
01:08:36
nights we did the pretend good night at around 9:45 so you had your pretend good
01:08:41
night and then you have the real live from New York good night but you don't
01:08:44
want to repeat your moves but you didn't want to look too thirsty so you I would
01:08:49
always step toward the back and then make my way to the front so by the end I'm front and center and just full face
01:08:55
for everyone in America you know what you do you play posum during dress and you go I don't care I'm G to be in the
01:09:00
way back and then on hair I go well I was in the back so much undressed maybe I'll just squeak up
01:09:07
there remember the time I went for high five with you and you got me a headlock just for it's any way to get the camera
01:09:14
that never but sometimes I wave I go hey Glen Close fist bump hey Michael Keaton
01:09:19
give him a big hug yeah and you you'd have kind of if it was a shitty show and
01:09:23
the host was scared and their eyes were so big and they were a little bit tipsy they go how was it you know and the
01:09:29
camera's really tight on you and you could read your lips not the best no you'd always go it's great and you're
01:09:35
great embarrassingly enough if I was light in the show or I was pissed off I would boycott the good nights really and
01:09:42
marc'd be like cigarette in the hallway where's Spade Spade good nights and I go
01:09:46
no she's like get the [ __ ] up there I'm like no she goes oh you think Lauren's
01:09:50
going to give a [ __ ] if you don't go and why didn't you go out cuz you weren't in
01:09:54
the show yeah cuz I was mad cuz you're mad and I was like I'm not part of the show why would I be up there
01:09:59
wow to me if I had a good church chat kill maybe come back with a way World a Hans and fr and maybe grumpy old man at
01:10:05
update I'd be happy to say good night no [ __ ] but you would have you know what
01:10:11
bye-bye you'd kill with that you'd kill with uh and you are You' kill with that
01:10:16
you kill with it you should totally get it You' kill with that yeah then you
01:10:20
were kind of up but if I would miss I think I went 13 shows once without being sketch maybe I was an update once choice
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but I was like really but eventually when you crushed on the show I remember Lauren saying David during good nights
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Episode Highlights

  • Nick Croll: The Missed Opportunity
    A discussion on how SNL may have overlooked Nick Croll's talent.
    “I do think SNL might have missed the boat.”
    @ 01m 05s
    October 07, 2022
  • The Nancy Kerrigan Episode
    A nostalgic look back at a memorable SNL episode featuring Nancy Kerrigan and Chris Farley.
    “That was probably the best performance of any person to come on the show.”
    @ 05m 06s
    October 07, 2022
  • Wayne Gretzky's Charisma
    Gretzky shows kindness and skill, lacing up skates for a novice. 'Holy [ __ ] that was just ridiculous!'
    “Holy [ __ ] that was just ridiculous!”
    @ 20m 43s
    October 07, 2022
  • Joe Montana's Audition Anxiety
    Joe Montana hesitates to join the show due to nerves, but ultimately performs well. 'I caught a pass from Joe Montana D in drag!'
    “I caught a pass from Joe Montana D in drag!”
    @ 21m 39s
    October 07, 2022
  • Caveman Show Controversy
    The cast is blindsided by critics labeling their show as racist, despite their intentions. 'We were ahead of the game of being called racist.'
    “We were ahead of the game of being called racist.”
    @ 28m 31s
    October 07, 2022
  • Tracy Morgan's Pitch
    Tracy Morgan humorously declares he won't lead a quiet life during a movie pitch. 'I will not lead a life of quiet solitude.'
    “I will not lead a life of quiet solitude.”
    @ 30m 34s
    October 07, 2022
  • The Allure of SNL
    The dream of being on SNL remains powerful and mystique-filled for the comedian. 'It holds that power and mystique for me still.'
    “It holds that power and mystique for me still.”
    @ 37m 56s
    October 07, 2022
  • The Journey to Standup
    Nick discusses his evolution in standup comedy and the challenges he faced.
    “I always had like 20 but I was sort of like...”
    @ 46m 23s
    October 07, 2022
  • Big Mouth's Impact
    Nick reflects on the lessons learned from his work on Big Mouth.
    “I got rewarded by from people...”
    @ 50m 02s
    October 07, 2022
  • Vulnerability in Comedy
    Exploring how vulnerability can enhance comedic performance.
    “The more I was vulnerable, the more I was finding gratification in being honest.”
    @ 50m 53s
    October 07, 2022
  • Nick's Stage Fright
    Nick reveals his fear of giving a wedding toast is greater than performing live.
    “I get scared eating toast!”
    @ 01h 03m 14s
    October 07, 2022
  • The Good Nights Dilemma
    A humorous take on the awkwardness of saying goodbye after a show.
    “I would boycott the good nights!”
    @ 01h 09m 39s
    October 07, 2022

Episode Quotes

  • I don’t want to gush, but I do think SNL might have missed the boat.
    Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
  • Holy [ __ ] that was just ridiculous!
    Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
  • I will not lead a life of quiet solitude.
    Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
  • I always knew he was the funniest person.
    Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
  • The more I was vulnerable, the more I was finding gratification in being honest.
    Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
  • I think he would be terrific!
    Nick Kroll | Full Episode | Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade

Key Moments

  • Nick Croll's Influence00:05
  • SNL Auditions00:21
  • Physical Comedy18:16
  • Gretzky's Kindness20:43
  • Montana's Nerves21:39
  • Building an Hour47:03
  • SNL Prediction1:03:29
  • Good Nights Awkwardness1:09:39

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