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ready three two what's up David what's our next guest who is it our next guest
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is Smigel Rob Robert Smigel awesome Robert Smigel we're having a writer on one of the I for many people's money the
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best sketch writer of his generation he he's in the conversation for sure it's
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one of the best I've ever worked with Hall of Famer first time Hall of Famer
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yep brilliant guy yeah Smigel uh used to uh you know he's he's in charge of so
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many of the big sketches in the show and uh I was always trying to write with him
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um always trying to get in there and just get my name on a sketch cuz I know it would always get on CU he's so good
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he'd write for you a lot and he'd write with you a lot we yeah we had a good
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collaboration because I would just start I was watching reg just we'll talk about
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in the episode but I just started doing around the office and then he was a great person to partner with and then he
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could get the Rhythm and make it even better same thing with Carson and stuff so we we go through a lot of process on
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my side of the fence with Robert and it's really fun we go through a lot of the me begging him to do sketches with
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me on my side of the fence but he also went on he does triumph you know the dog and he does uh a lot of great stuff for
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autism um and he has the night of a too many stars which is the funniest title of yes and he he roast us basically uh
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we won't give it away but the beginning of the episode a certain character that
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he does that's sort of canine like gives just basically roast David and I for 10
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minutes is pretty funny you know I won't say how he does it but he sort of poops
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on us yeah yeah um oh by the way Dana um you know this Elvis movies is coming out
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not to change gears here Austin Butler Austin Butler does Elvis and I'm such an
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Elvis fan I'm almost worried to watch it because oh yeah I want to be really into
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it you know there's a funny Elvis story that we used to joke uh when Elvis was
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such a huge star which he always was yeah um but he's such a stud and he would leave the studio he'd have sunning
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red up front and they go Elvis there's a million girls out front so throw the
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coats on them so he' let down in the back seat and they'd throw the coats on
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him and uh and then when they drive out they'd all look and get around the car
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and they wouldn't see him they'd leave yeah and he'd get away and so they
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wouldn't follow the car and so in the later days there was no one there and it
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almost goes it's pretty crazy out there and he goes yeah throw the coats on them
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isn't that cute they would still throw the coats on him and there was no one
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out there so he never knew a they better have that in the [ __ ] movie I always saw it's been long enough to I just
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thought interesting he died in his Mansion okay and he was was on the pot so I assume a half hour before he died
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all you heard if you were in the Mansion is someone going I get some paper I need some paper in here can I
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anybody bring some paper wait he needs toilet paper toilet paper well he hasn't
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poofed yet that's the problem well he maybe he did but there's no toilet paper
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he said can I get the newspaper to read it cuz I'll be here for two hours the
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other thing was like he would have Colonel Tom go on a private jet with people down to uh South American cities
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and bring back young ladies for Al you know and they he had a thing where he'd
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want them to um hey let's not give away the first half hour of the movie where a
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diaper it was one of his fetishes what's your name canell Jesus here's a diaper
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strap that on these just all true stories you can cut these I'll get arrested but it'll be
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great uh I you know I ran into Riley Kio the other night what a great name the MTV words yeah uh the granddaughter I
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didn't put it together even though I'm the hugest Elvis cuz I I didn't
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recognize her so she's sitting next to me before we're going out I'm presenting
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an award and she's presenting the Elvis movie something about it and and she
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said it was a great movie and you know you got to trust her if I was in the Elvis family I would be so Eagle eyed on
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that thing but it's never going to be as cool as the real Elvis but uh she's
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happy so I'm happy so I'm very interested in it just because Colonel Tom Parker played by Tom Hanks is in it
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yeah I love that and he is Dutch and he's a was a really weird guy and he's
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in complete prosthetics and the biggest star in the world Mr pres you thought Colonel Tom would be
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like hey everybody that was Presley but would you like to be a star elus Presley
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I guess he talks like that that scare you I just don't know I need a peram sandwich anybody got a peram sandwich
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50% this [ __ ] took of Elvis's [ __ ] fit to the very very end and I would say he didn't have great guy
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syndrome I'll tell you that which I do have by by the way James Austin Butler
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plays Elvis Presley and he also played Tex in one Austin's hisy Johnson what is his name Austin
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Butler Austin I was going James Austin Johnson hey man I you it's a senior moment any
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first names you could link together Austin is a very unique name first or middle I I I cool I'm not going to say
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bad I want to see I think James Austin Butler um is a cute kid he played Tech and one of pun
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one Once Upon a Time in Hollywood oh he did yeah he was a guy I'm as real as a
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donut [ __ ] I saw you you were riding a horsey in that scene not to get away from smigo but I'm going to tell
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you that and this is one minut I did see one of your old favorite movies on the plane of all [ __ ] things I'd never
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seen it three days of the Condor oh really you talk about two [ __ ] movie stars oh I see it every wford fade
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fade she was what do you want I just wanted to stop ah I love it Condor Condor where are you Condor that brings
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us back to Robert Smigel Robert Smigel from Robert Redford and that is our tie in and we knew we we planned this whole
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thing Robert Smigel is very funny he listen [ __ ] about this thing that would be funny if this is the whole
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episode and then we go we never got time for robt we really apologize we got on an Elvis thing yeah but it's good we
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talk about topical [ __ ] man that's what's going on in the world anyway
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here's [Music] Smigel all the momentum we had with the Lauren impression oh we were oh yeah and
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you were saying Lauren you did impression before that before Mark mckenny Mark mckeny did um the only person who did it
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my first year was Mark mckin and he did like a beautifully accurate Lauren like a well obser oberved Lauren and actually
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said complete sentences and it was very impressive but then the next year I just started doing
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cartoon Lauren on my own and then I went into I remember going into Dana's office
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and uh you know and I admitting that I sort of do Lauren like you know I want to show and I think Dana and then Dana's
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like oh yeah I do Lauren too and Dana starts going like oh what do you think of act three
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just had that move like something Lauren's never done in his life incredibly per it was just perfect it
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was like this self-satisfied we still have no [ __ ] First Act I've got no [ __ ] First Act no [ __ ] code Marcy
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look at the book of please chapter two Frank and r a bush Frank and ride a bush Frank and right a bush immediately
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Frank and right a bush there was a lot of bush cold Frank remember Robert when you made the
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cartoon thing where you flipped the pages which which cartoon well I was doing Bush senior so much I didn't know
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that the writing staff was kind of like again so then I saw a thing where it's
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like a flip page where it was reminded me yeah and he SP you spin it and see me as bu it was like it was like a series
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of it was like one of those flip what was it it was like was it Franken putting Bush cold open on the
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what I thought it was Bush taking a poo or something I thought it was scatalogical it could have been I like
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Frank and putting the card on the on the uh lineup I have to say Franken takes a
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beating on your show he's coming he's coming on very very soon and we will play him well
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Sarah got him back by stabbing him in the head with a pencil yeah did you hear well I through I was not there that was
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after I had um left for Conan but but do you remember this uh Spade I bet you remember
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this so one of the Impressions I I was the one I think who started that like me and Conan I used to do this
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thing for Conan of Al um and I feel bad because Al got me the job actually and I
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love Al but but he was tough back then and so everybody kind of yeah needed to release some energy mine was like Al on
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his back and it like a snapping tur flip me over yeah exactly well I I thought that's why he would when he was
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running for Senator I thought he'll be great in there because Al is blunt and
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doesn't he just says what he thinks I thought that'd be good for him he was
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great but on the but well boy when he was in the Senate he was my hero because he he kind of like contained himself
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from being as confrontational like I mean at the show his last few years at the show I think I
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think he was kind of unhappy to be honest with you I mean he was like in his 40s and I don't think this is what
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he was dreaming of doing in his 40s and I think it was I think that's in his
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defense like he was confused as to what he wanted to do with his life and then he started writing those books and I
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think he found Direction and yeah he's always hyper political and that was fun
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writing with him and Downey cuz you know sitting next to Spade at read through and he's like what
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happened it's like George seagull and just shoot me goes in the middle of the
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scene he'd stop and he goes he'd look at the crowd he goes I did a movie with
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Elizabeth Taylor and I'm standing next to this [ __ ] [Music] now well I remember Jan Hooks once
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saying to me schm don't become one of those writers who 50 years old and wearing blue jeans and sitting on the
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floor whatever you do it's always sitting on the floor with a no it's true
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I mean it's just you never grow up when you're at that a little sachche where
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you put your bitterness in a bitterness pouch we're like just keep loading things Al's defense the show I did six
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years it gets mind- numbing and it gets you're in a box of like no sun and pizza
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and ordering in and stress and everyone else's energy and so you did a long run
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there too you seem pretty normal but that that was a long run you had I did a long run but I got out when I was like
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33 and to do the Conan show and then I came back but in a much more sane capacity I just did the cartoons yeah
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and all I had to do was show up on yeah all I had to do was show up on Saturday so I wasn't really a part of the the
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thing anymore but Al was like you know there every day and he's like in his 40s well let's get back to smiggle's
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unbelievable care do we want to be a little bit uh do we want to go a little bit to Young smel first or would you
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like to go later young SM or what about can can my friend come on because he thinks young Smigel is a [ __ ] boore
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to be H yeah let me see who do you got over there he's been he's been uh he's
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been riding me ever since this is unique for fly on the wall we have a guest with
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a special guest you have a guest with a guest who's just I don't know he just
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thinks that he can Jazz it up you know he better behave should I bring him out bring him out why not okay oh goodness
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what here I am here I am finally God Jesus Christ what a long wait no this is terribly exciting so exciting I Triumph
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blind do not make fun of this show or us Triumph I did please oh I no I understand those are the ground rules I
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have to work with no no no jokes about the show no no making fun of anyone okay good honestly this is a great show the
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wall not for me to poop on no no fantastic show fly on the wall there's a lot of
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Buzz I hear around fly good job Triumph thank you yeah the same kind of uh Buzz flies make around
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my ass you see because it's not ases attract [ __ ] and the show is what makes
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sense that you see the joke you get yeah that took a turn but okay I like it it's
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it's what it's a switcher Ro no Spade this is a great show it feels a need you know because let's face it
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Saturday Night Live it hasn't gotten enough attention or retrospectives or anniversary shows just I mean honestly I
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mean just the other day I was thinking this uh after watching my best of finesse Mitchell DVD I was thinking why
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why has SNL been written about only slightly more than World War II why and Today's show my goodness how did you
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land this guest they hand up my ass seriously I'm worried I'm I'm I'm a
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little concerned this is your first season you've already run out of people we care about no smile is a big deal he
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wrote a lot of great sketches hey sure he is everybody stay tuned we've got the
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fourth funniest guy from the de bear sketch and you have to explain what the sketch was to people under 6
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it's trouble this is what you're looking forward to you already did Sandler Rock
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Mike Myers this is your future this is pretending to be interested in questions like tell me in coming up with goat boy
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which came first to you the goat or the bo is it a boy who becomes a goat or a goat who becomes a boy our listeners
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really our 10 remaining listeners are dying no there's more 10 we didn't get
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the news no I kid I kid again oh he's kidding Dana no your show's great it's a very
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very successful money grab I mean hit you have like how many subscrib you've got like 400,000 listeners right
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yeah I'm gonna say yes and not to this episode that's for sure but up to now no
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even here the all we can hope today is to beat Allen's y Bell's numbers numbers
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and who better to Great guest who better to co-host show Dana Carvey one of the alltime
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greatest cast members on Saturday night why why would you say that it's almost as if you think I'm going to hurt
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your feelings no I think this will be a compliment exactly Dana Carvey one of the all-time
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greatest cast members of Saturday Night Live and David Spade who was also on the
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show that's no Spade's everywhere Spade is doing great he's everywhere this is
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Dana this is actually a boost for you you know audiences are connecting with you again that's what's great I only
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wish Dana that you did this show like 15 years ago you know when podcasts were starting and all the people you do
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impressions of were still alive now I've lost a lot of them now it's like hey folks what would happen
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what if Ross perau and Jimmy Stewart weren't rotting corpses slowly disintegrating into the soil
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I think it's might go something like this yeah well you're you're trying to
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be president yeah can I finish one time I'll just do it there to your act it's
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like the audio six sense I hear dead people I'm sorry is this wrong this is a
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podcast you're supposed to you're supposed to be complimenting each other
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on that's what it is right I mean yeah that's what podcast are white people
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complimenting each other yeah we need more white people we're pretty nice old
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white people complimenting old white people old white people compliment I've
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got a theme song for you harmonize with me D old white people complimenting old white people old white
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people it's very hard to do over Zoom I just realized yes listen Spade Spade I don't I don't want to uh insult
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you you've had an amazing career thank you yeah Tommy Boy then starring in the
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string of hit sitcoms that no one remembers waiting for him to fake laugh I'm laughing
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hey and God bless Bernie brillstein right he started the whole thing off right great calling the creators of just
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shoot me and gently coaxing Steve Levitan to hire his client you need a comic relief
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I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I didn't mean toy easy um snippity Dippity no I think we got to
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put people we got to let them no that's that's uh showed your thing you did your
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thing did Triumph hurt your feelings I need to know no not at all little bit Spade no because I thought Triumph is a
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little older now and maybe he was not like that anymore no no it's like it's
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I'm older that's the problem like I didn't give a [ __ ] about this when I
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started Triumph I I liked old white people complimenting other old white people or something like that that wasun
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we looked it up there's 2.8 million podcasts are you kidding me it's like
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it's like Co it just there's more every day and no one knows what to do and
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people are getting affected with it here's what I've observed about this one
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because I've listened to a few okay and what's very funny to me Spade is like
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you're one of the funniest persons in the world this is an old wide person compliment yeah old
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but on this show it's all about a life you lived when you were like in the 90s and you
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kind of have to revert it's you're always reverting to that guy at the show who hadn't made it
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big yet like always like yeah no you guys were incredible and I didn't know what to do right it's just funny to me
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that Spade who's had this amazing run well it does we throw back everybody gets back in that around the writer's
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table and how [ __ ] ordering Huxley and all the stupid [ __ ] it sort of throws you back to the dim lighting and
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feeling like [ __ ] all the time was a stressful would you consider it I was say like I love the show so much and
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people I met and worked with and yet I was always stressed yeah I also remember how skinny your little office was like I
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think people thought it was some palatial place it's these little Dungeons and then I would go along the
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line and poke my head in to see if I get my name on anybody's sketch smuggle you remember do you
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remember what I my affectionate nickname for you was no what was it spudley no well everybody had spudley into the
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noodles no Chief not and show Chief noton show because I was never in the show it's so hor he was but I wasn't in
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much I think I went you got in it in 9345 I did go left that's what was weird
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so weird because you were kind of pigeon hold I remember your audition yeah and you were very funny but you were kind of
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like Spade light you weren't like letting your whole kind of persona persona come later yeah and people like
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saw you as like this nicel looking kind of blonde guy who did some impression I think he did Tom Petty yeah it was like
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oh he's gonna be like a Dana Carvey type and then and Dana Carvey was still on
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the show so I think people didn't know what to do with I think I didn't but I also wasn't
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in in full disclosure thinking I was the new Dana Carvey I was like are you this guy I go
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this guy's the best guy and he does a million things I go I got to find what I
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can do and luckily like even that Hollywood minute where Lauren I was sort of teetering and then he's like well
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just do more stuff like that because that makes me a little different from Dana and then I could find my own little
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niche or something I don't know it was tough it was very that that part was tough even the recep cist which was like
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the best sketch of that season oh yeah I remember someone in a high position saying yeah couldn't Dana play that no
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[ __ ] no of course he could I came in and played an alien right did I play an Al I
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felt bad because I said you know it's always hard smel if you're a writer and
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if you're a new writer to put Mike Myers or Dana in something where they don't
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have a lot to do but you know in your head you're like oh it' be fun I have
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access to all these great people and I don't know they're quietly going it's
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not that great but Dana goes yeah I'll do whatever so I go you come in at the
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end is an alien I don't realize they're going to put him in like a three hours
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of makeup and hair remember you had a big bulb head on I had a giant I was like oh no I can't put Dana through this
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[ __ ] and it also makes sometimes that was part of being on the team yeah you know what I have to say no onein still
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gets into crazy outfits and says two lines in a sketch I liked on the 40th anniversary Steve Martin goes in full
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King outfit for three lines in a song or whatever cuz he's committed and it's fun
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I love it and everyone's there fun it's also like 70 million people are watching
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that one all different yeah you're right everybody's yeah yeah but yeah the
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receptionist I mean it's it was so exciting to see a new person kill too like that's one of the great things on
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the show when that happens like uh that guy James when he did Trump for the first time this year yeah he was great
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it was thrilling you know it was amazing yeah and when the audience finds it cuz I had
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been sort of kicking around the show for a while and that was a hard one to to get on I think it took a few swings oh
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the receptionist yeah and then it got on with MC Hammer at 5 to one and then the
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next time it got on first sketch so that with rosan yeah with rosan there's really there was only like three so
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that's the one you remember it's like bye-bye there's there's only two of them
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but you know if they remember what they remember you know church lady was on more than 20 times the first season 20
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episod more than they had shows were you on twice an early chat and then they I do a good night chat after Jack Carvey
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Show we tried to sneak the church lady into commercial remember that oh yeah for real we did that like can we
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superimpose the church lady or George Bush over a commercial were you allowed to use that stuff on D on Dana Carvey
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Show I technically because of my contract when I came in I owned the church L that back then you could like
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write you could write a list of the characters that you created before going to Saturday Night Live and D had a long
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list and so yeah nowadays it's the complete opposite like they own everything and then you have like after
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seven years you have to do movies with the I don't know just do a mandatory then you do movies you go back to the
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show it is different you do commercials and movies and you miss shows and you go
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back on the show it's pretty cool for the cast I yeah it's really yeah now
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that's true now yeah leading up to this 50th they're all they're all they all
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come and go they they told me to G told me my manager said write on the flight out there write all your characters and
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give them to Jim Henry and I'm sitting there with a blank piece of paper on them Delta going I don't what characters
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what are you [ __ ] talking about I'm a standup so I'd go skateboard crazy guy
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talks with the lisp you know I'm just like making up something in case I write
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it one day or in case it sounds like a sketch I do and it clicks and thing like yeah you need a man or thing but Robert
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do you want to talk about some of our hits your big monster hits you well together yeah yeah well I mean I Dana so
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I was there for a year before Dana and then I got in in 86 with phil6 and he was like someone I had I
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connected with what I loved about Dana was that he Spade you'll understand this
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like generally like passive aggressive behavior rules at that show like who good I could Poss no my sketch is
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terrible don't put my sketch on it couldn't possibly me I I'm being paid
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like that's what and then there's people like LoveIt who are like what's going
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on they're anti-semitic that's why the sketch didn't make it you know why they
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cut it because it's funny that's it was too good it was too funny that's why
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they didn't put it on yeah I would John was great I was sadly a little closer to
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John I was like Robert you have no Poker Face L I remember him telling me there were people like me I didn't really make
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big stinks though but I was you know imitating Lauren behind his back like everybody eventually now everybody I'm
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told I'm told you go to the show now everybody does Lauren literally lit literally everyone
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they all you've seen this have you witnessed this well that's what I heard
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James Austin Johnson had a good one you know Bill hater of course any Reon but I
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think people they say that people just do it around the office oh just around you to each other uh read through is
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going to start everyone get to their seat you know and that's like a first I
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right what I loved about Dana was that he had he just came in he had a list of Impressions that he like handed out to
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the writers like he wasn't he didn't pretend that he was above doing that
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which was like so refreshing to actually admit that you care without being like throat or anything he was just being
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straightforward I just thought it made sense I I was able to do a bunch of voices I thought well let the writers
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know because I realized you guys are just writing sketches and if someone sees Casey KAS or something maybe they'd
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put him in I don't know of course that's the best way to do it here you go here
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you go Jack Handy here you go Odin Kirk first Robert you approached me with was Robin Leech doing some kind of Japanese
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pruning or arigami I don't know why I don't remember yeah cuz you'd seen his
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name on the list but I had a catchphrase for that one I'm Robin Leech I'm yelling
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and I don't know why so I had that I loved Robin Leech but then it was for everyone under
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70 but Robin Le was such lifesty rich and famous of a celebrity that is no longer with us one of my Impressions you
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know Dino stenops who our listeners no every time someone I do an impression of passes away he texts me another one
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another one down whether it's or bush you know you're gonna kill in heaven
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Dana someday yeah yeah I didn't know Dino did that I thought Robin Leech was so hilarious and
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he had a great hook for it I don't know why oh no everything Dana I thought Dana's Travolta was hysterical because
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it was was so it was so not what Travolta sounded like in the 80s anymore no just like he's basically doing an
00:28:00
exaggerated back cter welcome back cter for everyone listen key to that if you want to do John trol just say the word
00:28:08
weird slack so weird slack weird is entry to that but slack but also slack so what's that what's
00:28:18
that well it's like Dana would say slack so weird slack slack so weird you know
00:28:25
everybody should just whatever connected because we liked and doing we like doing
00:28:32
impressions that were kind of abstract we like creating abstract Impressions and so you know Dana had some under his
00:28:40
belt obviously and then I tried to help him with you know Johnny Carson and Regis the Regis thing was very strange
00:28:47
because like I wrote it for Phil Hartman I wrote it for Phil Hartman and it went to dress it didn't do great and
00:28:55
then Dana in his gentless non- cutthroat way just happened upon me like a week later and was like you know I'm Regis is
00:29:04
kind of small and Irish and like I had just had a total blank I had just picked Phil because he was the oldest cast
00:29:10
member yeah and I thought of I thought of him as just okay he's the old guy comparatively but Dana was absolutely
00:29:17
right he looked more like Regis and then he started doing him and well I I didn't
00:29:22
realize when I started watching him in New York he had essentially just just got on nationally but we would up around
00:29:28
9: Paul and I and we would watch it and we just fell in love with him oh yeah most Charming guy in the world and then
00:29:35
getting to know you yeah just hanging out in your office so we started you know bouncing off are you ready for this
00:29:39
you're about control this guy's crazy and you had all the I think one of your
00:29:43
things very Robert Smigel or something about you know I'm doubt at the shid is
00:29:47
and I'm behind broka I can I can't get a seat you know so we we bonded over all
00:29:51
that thing of like the explosion this was something that he really did on the show BR got the front row seat and I'm
00:29:59
sitting with you know Patrick swayy in the in the back anyway it was a great event he takes a of his coffee anyway it
00:30:08
was terrific like he's got nothing else so he just goes to Joy was there joy we
00:30:13
wish them well yeah when Joy hosted that was always uh Regis was uh but you can't
00:30:18
let Dana around an impression he keep come circling it's like all right just
00:30:22
give it to him he's going to figure it out Joe and then his when he wrote his
00:30:26
book they said we want to call it I'm out of control and you had to go out you
00:30:29
know honest never ever said I'm out of control that something made Dan made up
00:30:34
but I don't understand Garney but um the you know one so we had you know and then
00:30:40
Carson came around um and just I started playing around with it I think the Turners actually had written a Carson
00:30:49
sketch did they and I looked at it you showed it to me and I had just a couple of moves in my head and then it sort of
00:30:56
brought out some moves that you had like the thing that I love Johnny Carson so much he was
00:31:04
like incredible voice in the 70s when I was a teenager growing up um I used to watch him constantly and yeah um he was
00:31:11
so charismatic and he's still the greatest ever but there was then Letterman came on in like the early 80s
00:31:19
and immediately got some you know the anti show or whatever you want to call that
00:31:26
well he was like Reinventing everything and then Johnny For No Good Reason started feeling insecure about it you
00:31:33
could see it on the show because he started trying to do things that Letterman was doing but he didn't know
00:31:38
how to do it the way Letterman did Letterman would just let them happen Johnny would be like we're about to do
00:31:45
something that's a little weird this is a little different this is not not the norm that's right you know
00:31:53
we're going to walk over we're GNA take a camera and it's going to follow me I
00:31:57
can't do them as well as you Dana but it was like clinch your jaw I'm yeah clinch
00:32:02
your jaw thank you clch your jaw camera is going to follow me and it's gonna
00:32:07
walk out of the studio and I'm gonna go to another set it's like okay we ask
00:32:14
unusual questions people ask unusual questions that people are not going to know is even they don't know what's
00:32:20
going to happen all right so let's start doing it now I'm walking you see I'm
00:32:24
walking across and it this is a you were witnessing a bit a little weird and so that was I was giving him this a little
00:32:31
weird had this expression he had a couple of things like when Johnny like calls people over to the comedians like
00:32:39
funny stuff funny that was funny stuff and then you had weird wild that Weir wild stuff and for those you at home
00:32:45
you're watching a thing called a television you know how you would bring it became that where we just did the
00:32:51
overly set up Johnny Carson thing and then it was so dry it was maybe the driest thing you ever did on the show
00:32:59
Dana and then but it always Ed McMahon's Ed McMahon's rhythmically kind of uh yes acknowledging it and um you
00:33:08
know giving it like just like yes you are correct sir would always make it work it was like the fact that you would
00:33:15
say these strange things and then Ed would kind of affirm them yeah he was the release button but
00:33:23
that was the first time and I've said this before but when I was on SNL and wasn't concerned with with the laughs I
00:33:28
just was having so much fun being Johnny and when I got the wig on I am Irish Carson Carvey my eyes are a little close
00:33:35
together and I I go God I kind of look like him you know and then I could just look in the mirror and just uh just get
00:33:41
into that attitude of being just this whatever that you go into hair and makeup too it's just that great really
00:33:47
set you up and um then the the third rail of the ones that really had a lot of episodes Carson did carcino we could
00:33:54
talk about that too reg just had a lot of careno anyway well carcino let's let's do that now because that was the
00:34:02
extension of the Carson impression we did we did one before that that actually did piss Johnny off and and then they I
00:34:10
don't know I don't know if they asked you to do that late night history show
00:34:13
but they asked me so I did it and I talked about it and then they edited to make it look like we didn't really give
00:34:20
a [ __ ] how Johnny felt responded to it and we did we were really upset about it
00:34:26
like we did this sketch where Areno so Chris Rock gets hired in like 1990 and um plays aru Hall yeah which he
00:34:37
didn't do like I remember I that's another guy I got to see audition and he
00:34:41
was hysterical and like obviously you know incredible obvious hire but I remember asking Lauren does
00:34:49
it matter he doesn't seem to be an impressionist he'll do our sh you don't worry about uh he's got the
00:34:58
hair and he can do Areno just remember it's like black guys on the show always had
00:35:06
the burden of having to do like every black person yes we talked about that with Chris yeah oh you did little bit I
00:35:12
think Dave brought yeah it is tough because everything just gets a signed and no matter you know if it's even
00:35:19
closed okay Chris you're doing Al Roker this week yeah isers bit played an Asian
00:35:26
character I played Tony Montana as like a Cuban character you know I had a bigger I wonder if you could write that
00:35:34
Robert um today is like can you write anyone to play anything but they what they are I don't know how they do it
00:35:41
there I wonder if their meetings and go could I play this or oh at SNL yeah at SNL well they definitely let women play
00:35:49
men men yeah they still let that happen no I know it's it's it's it's
00:35:54
interesting because like even like something like I mean I totally blackface thing is obviously a red flag
00:36:03
and It's oddly it's something we didn't do in our era and started happen in 9
00:36:09
yeah the '90s were a strange time where it seemed like the floodgates opened and
00:36:13
people were doing exceptionally rude stuff I don't know if it's because cable
00:36:18
was starting and the networks felt the need to compete but you try too hard and you go
00:36:24
in different directions that are sometimes wrong directions you just don't know and then yeah it levels out
00:36:29
yeah but like I just did this puppet show that uh failed whatever like and we had this guy who was gonna do Obama and
00:36:39
he had done Obama on the Conan show for like three or four years and he just sounded exactly like Obama so I wanted
00:36:47
to hire him and then I found out that he was white I didn't realize I had no idea
00:36:52
I just knew he sounded exactly like Obama and they said you can't hire him did they ever call you now uh smile to
00:36:59
uh write or help or come off the bench and uh no I I was there when Adam no they never call me they
00:37:06
don't they um although I actually sent Colin J an idea this week and didn't
00:37:12
didn't hear back didn't hear back it was an an a win tour idea I thought don't
00:37:18
don't try to give him Iraqi Pete that's Adams actually you would be great for
00:37:22
this on a win tour idea is that me playing him or Dana no no I'm talking about Spade it's it's a very hey it's a
00:37:30
very could own that Spade playing Anna win tour the idea was um that she uh it was like an update feature where Anna
00:37:40
Wintour is uh sitting next to somebody like uh who's the guy Jared Leto he's
00:37:46
always wearing something insane they just had the Met G Gala yeah yeah Jared Leto yeah he's got great F you know and
00:37:52
then it was just going to be on a win tour very quietly and dryly and very stiff uh insulting you know um Michael
00:38:01
chay's outfit Michael Chas suit you know like uh is this a fundraiser for victims
00:38:08
of fashion and then like um you know and then she turns to Colin J is like you know is that a suit or are you
00:38:17
being humped by a couch and then she starts getting Rim shots and just starts walking into the crowd and starts doing
00:38:26
walking around yeah walking around the stands up and doing crowd work but she's
00:38:32
she's completely stiff you know and it's just if that tie was any louder Marley
00:38:37
Matlin could hear it looks like Joseph A Bank made it tonight what if Triumph was at the Met G
00:38:48
what would he do crazy actually I've tried to I've wanted to do the red caret
00:38:52
at that's one of the few things I've I still want to do as please don't let
00:38:58
Triumph around Kim K well she lost 16 now I have like these personal relationships that I care about
00:39:06
like I would never touch her because Pete Davidson's a friend oh friend of the show no I he's a great guy
00:39:15
I know him and but like Dana this is something well we never talked about the Carson thing but this is another one
00:39:21
that all right I don't know if you want to talk about this but I'll talk about
00:39:24
anything we're 30 or I'm 30 or 32 or whatever you were and Dennis gets bounced from his syndicated show yeah
00:39:34
and I have this idea to do Dennis is now doing a cooking show right which we we called Dennis and he said f go ahead
00:39:41
right you did call him I maybe you called him I didn't call him yeah I believe I called him yeah I don't think
00:39:50
we but that was like then and I and I thought in my head I was like this is my duty as a Saturday Night Live sketch
00:39:56
writer I can't play favorites you know I I this is my privilege to work duty
00:40:01
comes first yeah that's how I seriously I took it to the show I would say by
00:40:06
like the time I was 40 I was like no I would never do that again yeah well I don't think at that point there was any
00:40:13
sort of uh idea that Dennis wasn't on his way with a career like he done the
00:40:19
black and white special he had the talk show you know I me all he did after that
00:40:24
was host an HBO show that got like 20 m so to me to me I thought it was so funny
00:40:30
and the way you wrote it Dennis's vernacular in a in a daytime cooking show I don't know if you could quote I
00:40:37
mean maybe maybe you're right but I feel like I still wouldn't do it now I
00:40:41
wouldn't be able to I'd be too nervous about whoever's feelings it was sure I I
00:40:47
understand that I I feel the same way I I like I kind of sometimes feel bad for Biden when I see him sort of lost or
00:40:54
whatever and so it's different doing it now weird when you get older and life
00:40:59
kind of kicks you in the nuts and and you learn what pain is and uh yeah you get how careers are so hard and up and
00:41:07
down you're like I'm going to probably hurt someone's career somehow
00:41:10
accidentally you know who Biden's hair looks like a spiderweb go ahead the one
00:41:15
person who would always scold me when I was even when I was younger and I guess it's because he was sensitive to all the
00:41:20
bad reviews he was getting was Sandler he was like like I was doing those cartoons and they were going really well
00:41:28
yeah yeah you know I would do a cartoon about like David brener or something yes
00:41:33
being a guest on a talk show and it was fun with real audio and I would use a real David Brer story but I would have
00:41:38
him going on every talk show and each host would get bored and press a trapo button and he would fall down and go
00:41:45
like you know so he starts on like the tonight's show and then trapo goes down
00:41:50
to Conan and then it goes down to like Tom Snider and then hilarious I remember that one yeah yeah and it was really
00:41:57
funny and everybody I played it for Conan because Conan was in it and he was laughing really hard and then I get a
00:42:04
call from sandley you feel good about yourself bud you feel good about that no that guy that what if that guy's home
00:42:10
watching you know he's like had a hard day and he's watching the show and he's
00:42:13
like yeah what is this why what did I do yeah why he did brener didn't he Sandler
00:42:19
could do brener on the show he did a great David brenon that's right but it wasn't nearly as mean as this cartoon no
00:42:26
it wasn't mean it remember the one you did where you had you had stemman hiding
00:42:30
from Oprah in the Mansion oh my God that was that was from The Comedy Central show and it's interesting you bring that
00:42:37
up because that was a cartoon I wasn't GNA do it was one of those lines that I
00:42:42
would draw for myself which people are always shocked you had L I did but I I like I didn't like to make fun of drug
00:42:51
addiction I I always felt like when people are you know that desperate it's not funny ultim it's like you know
00:43:00
everybody it's easy to reduce somebody to a cartoon character but I that was
00:43:06
one and another one was women's looks I really hated making fun of a woman for
00:43:13
her looks because women are held up to these ridiculous standards and uh it just felt shitty and so this Oprah one
00:43:20
was Andy bregman's premise and it the premise was that Stedman uh every time Oprah wants to
00:43:28
have sex stemman has convinced Oprah that he's an international spy and every time Oprah wants to have
00:43:36
sex stemman pretends he's getting an alert and he has to go off I'm not making it sound as funny as no so funny
00:43:44
and so like it I broke the rule because it was just too funny and it it remains like one of the funniest cartoons I've
00:43:53
ever been involved in and uh but it was Andy breckman idea also one of the nicest people I've ever worked with Andy
00:44:01
breckman and he had this idea that I thought was too meat ask him about the Bears the Bears
00:44:11
is a big one I love I just want to say very quickly that I know that John mclocklin which
00:44:17
you completely created loved loved our sketch oh yeah Regis loved it perau loved it George bu senior loved it it
00:44:28
was only sweet Johnny Carson got a little tweaked and I don't Johnny Carson we should talk about this one cuz it was
00:44:34
like uh so yes so rock comes on I got I'm sorry car Ro comes on and plays Aro
00:44:42
Rock comes on and plays Areno and if this was at this time when Johnny was getting sort of threatened by aro's
00:44:48
presence Areno was white hot that's a bad choice of words I suppose but Areno
00:44:54
was like on fire every everybody was talking about him and we did that thing of like now I understand that this you
00:45:02
know that would overe explaining thing but in this case it was like I understand you have a show Dana you
00:45:08
should do it you remember I understand you have a show and um it's um and it
00:45:13
says here he was like looking at his notes it says here that your show is up against my show yes and
00:45:21
I I did not know that and your ratings have actually gone up higher than mine are starting to deine right it's weird I
00:45:30
did not know that and now it says here it says further that your show is considered
00:45:35
hip and mine I am starting to be considered out of touch yeah I did not did you know that
00:45:44
yes really sad yes yes but but the thing that Johnny got madest at Dana do you remember this it was the
00:45:54
first guest we had a throwaway first guest before we bring on our C shape of Susan day right it was Susan day and I
00:46:02
had written it for sheno Connor for Jan Hooks to play chenade because she had already done it
00:46:07
and it was hilarious and um she's very serious and you know you guys are just
00:46:11
would be doing not not a lot of hair on her head that's is that is that is quite
00:46:17
a dome you know all that kind of stuff a little smooth smooth on the upper Turf yeah not a hairy woman sir
00:46:27
from ear to ear not a lot going on Lauren was like uh you know she's done chenade she does a killer Susan day
00:46:34
which she had done once on the show and it was killer so Lauren suggested Lauren
00:46:39
suggested and it wasn't like it wasn't funny he suggested what if he has Susan
00:46:43
Deon but he keeps wanting to talk about The Partridge Family and it had been 15 years since it gone off yeah yes there
00:46:50
and so that was how we wrote it and then Johnny took it as like are you seeing this he really
00:46:57
he said this on the show they're saying I'm scile he literally thought we were now
00:47:03
calling him scile all because we had changed that opening that the one that I thought was yeah yeah he said it on he
00:47:13
said it as Dana or Johnny said it on his own show he started wow wow bitching about Saturday Night Live on his own
00:47:21
show and Dana I heard you say this to Regis and it broke my heart I had never heard this
00:47:28
you said to Reg just in an interview like I don't know five six years ago I saw you said that you heard that Johnny
00:47:37
said when they start making fun of you it's time to go away well he would say
00:47:43
it at over in Burbank CU in the hallway the big giant studio and just yell it out they're making fun of me now it's
00:47:51
time to go yeah that that that what I realized and I would take it for anyone in Show Business that
00:47:59
eventually you become a character of yourself if you're a comedian it doesn't
00:48:05
matter you I don't want to name the person you could see someone and kind of
00:48:08
go is that a celebrity impersonator or is that the real guy so you do become a character T of yourself it's kind of
00:48:14
flattering but you know for Johnny I couldn't get on the show after that those last from SNL did for a year and
00:48:22
he really took it took it to heart and sobre un but then yeah then I think I also heard from
00:48:30
you back then so then we did the carcino sketch which was basically Johnny as trying to be like Areno trying to be
00:48:38
like arcenio Hall it was a big hit sketch he had the pointy hair and he elongated fingers yeah and he would did
00:48:45
you see this head all you have to do is go whoop whoop whoop and the audience goes whoop whoop whoop do you know that
00:48:52
a house is called a crib Ed did you know that I didn't know that yeah yeah you
00:48:58
know Robert I did Carson two months before he quit as standup oh wow and he came back to the back and he goes who
00:49:06
hates Dana Carvey I go I do and he goes That's my boy really no he no he didn't
00:49:11
he came back and said hi to me but I remember it was very odd to get on the show I did do it two months before he
00:49:17
got off and he did come back but he came back and you were on Satur Li you broke
00:49:21
the code no I I was I on I he went off in 93 I believe you were absolutely on the show D okay for sure but let me just
00:49:30
say this real quick Carvey told me that that he liked the carinio sketch he said
00:49:38
what did he say it makes fun of both you know they're making fun of arino as much
00:49:42
as they're making fun of me I mean that that that's funny stuff you know that
00:49:45
kind of thing so so I remember feeling a lot better about and then and then he did start letting people on the show
00:49:51
again no I mean I I was saying I got on somehow and uh I don't know just did my crummy act and
00:49:59
got out of there but uh stop it he did he waved me over SM and I I left I didn't
00:50:06
go you gave him the finger well the guy backstage mcau said he goes get on there
00:50:12
hit your mark and get off and I go what if Johnny waves you over and he goes he won't just go do it and I go oh my God
00:50:19
so I went out and turned in left and he goes there he is and the tap win he goes
00:50:25
Martin Short was with him and he goes have him come over and he goes I'm trying to but he won't look at me and he
00:50:30
goes he's too nervous all right there he goes all right well that was David's
00:50:33
fate he said that on the air yeah that's amazing and then he came backstage Where
00:50:39
Were You and I the [ __ ] were you left me there with egg I had my shirt off you
00:50:44
made a [ __ ] fool yeah and it was a Bo [ __ ] torrential storm back in my room because I was so scared I have my shirt
00:50:51
off and I have pepto bismo and they knock and I open and it's it's Ed I think doc andn and he goes uh all three
00:50:58
of them I didn't yeah he goes I didn't he goes I didn't get a chance to say
00:51:03
good job I wanted I come over and nice job and I go oh I didn't see you or whatever and he goes Pepto bismal I'm
00:51:09
trying to quit the stuff myself and then he walked away isn't that great a fantastic story he did a bit he
00:51:18
did a bit but in in reality he was um he was broken inside and he he went around
00:51:24
the office and saids when they not not coming over to the couch it's time to
00:51:30
who put you up to this Dana Carvey that [ __ ] so it's you Spade yeah you're the
00:51:37
one who pushed him out no let's go let's go Ed Ed let's go back and find him do
00:51:41
come on let's go I'll hit him high you hit him low hit him low well talk about
00:51:47
mclin too because we that was a great mclin group John mlin ran a round table well we got to have everyone know
00:51:56
you did mclin you did the Bears so many you did clucky [ __ ] gagag goey you help me with the clucky or or
00:52:05
Schmitz gay you helped me with one of those two I was almost in Schmitz gay for a rough draft and then it went to
00:52:11
Sandler Farley to that was that was Downey's idea and it was a brilliant call to take the two youngest guys in
00:52:17
the cast and make them the guys that was that was was I was I older than them I originally I had it as Dana and Kevin
00:52:25
because I thought it this is GNA be be the first sketch of the year and Dana and Kevin are the guys and then I don't
00:52:31
remember a draft with you I remember some maybe Shoemaker someone said I think you're in this thing remind me
00:52:36
what this sketch is oh oh oh Schmid gay that was a became a film didn't it that was a big one yeah
00:52:43
no think The Ambiguously Gay Duo commercial Sandler and Farley did something by a pool yeah with Van Hal
00:52:51
music it was a parody of all those so that that was it you know sexist beer commercials it's one of the ones I'm
00:52:58
most proud of great hysterical but that ended up being also like that the gay people weren't like portrayed in any
00:53:07
kind of like mocking way right the whole joke was turning the tables on these objectifying these ridiculous
00:53:14
commercials that associate beer with objectifying women it just got this huge it got one of the biggest responses
00:53:23
I ever so great Halen song in it oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and Farley and Sandler doing the congol line yeah it was
00:53:32
amazing but um but Spade I thought you either help me with that or cluck and chicken which is my personal favorite oh
00:53:38
cluck and chicken I don't know I mean sometimes I just get in there and try to
00:53:40
help anywhere I could I think you threw me some jokes in that maybe I threw you gagag gag
00:53:46
[ __ ] that sounded like me the gagag G me oh I love uh uh Sandler's voice and
00:53:55
that was so funny that was the cartoon that was half cartoon commercial parody yeah cartoon Yes cartoon Super that's
00:54:02
how I met the guy JJ settel who ended up doing um the first few years of TV funh
00:54:09
House cartoon fun house welcome back to my show you but you put Lauren's voice
00:54:14
in there Did anyone say anything that's maybe the hardest I've ever laughed in
00:54:18
my life because I became a 10-year-old again like the way I would when I was 10 I would draw cartoons of my teachers
00:54:26
that kind of thing yeah and when a teacher would see I would like giggle like and I remember the first time you
00:54:35
saw dress rehearsal that The Ambiguously Gay Duo ran and and then this little cartoon Lauren comes out and chases the
00:54:42
dog Lego My Show Lego my show and I'm watching Lauren watch it oh my God and
00:54:49
I'm just in tears I was like you know Lauren would call it you put a beanie on
00:54:55
the boss you put what is that just made fun of the boss or Bean the boss it's like it's
00:55:02
like reducing the boss to a you know lower status it's like you know Lauren had a term for every comedy move in the
00:55:10
world totally I've seen every sketch four times you know so it's hard for me
00:55:16
everything you've anyone's written I've seen a version of it in my life one of
00:55:20
my favorite recent Lauren ones within the Last 5 Years Around funny people people that do comedy there's only 900
00:55:28
of us on the planet oh really yeah so a specific number like well maybe that's
00:55:34
true I don't know we did run some numbers down to 898 yes if you don't count Steve and
00:55:40
Marty Steve counts for three Marty he counts for a 100 I think uh Robert good didn't we ask William Shatner if he was
00:55:51
okay with that sketch you wrote I think he was right oh yeah I pitched it to him
00:55:55
and he like sketch yeah that was a big famous sketch that you wrote still resonates all the time that's a big big
00:56:02
one well I have an affinity for nerds because I was an SNL nerd I was big a nerd as anybody I was completely in awe
00:56:10
of the show when I got there I like knew who Edie Baskin and Leo Yoshimura were like I memorized
00:56:19
them I was yeah so yeah like you know a lot of my most famous stuff has to do with like Triumph and the Star Wars line
00:56:28
is one of my happiest memories because I was like making fun of them but I felt an affinity toward them at the same time
00:56:36
the the Nerds waiting online for Star Wars and triumphs uh they were all like they all took it so
00:56:43
well they were all just comedy fans like yeah it was like when it was like have you guys did you guys I'm sure you spay
00:56:52
a you both probably got to meet Don Rickles right yeah I did did yep did he insult you when he met you the first
00:56:58
time do do an impression of a gorilla is what he said to me oh really yeah you know uh smes on um one time Christoper
00:57:08
Harley took his mom to see him on one of the breaks on the week's off and he goes
00:57:12
and he goes I go what happened he goes we sat right in the front row and uh he goes Rickles comes over to him in the
00:57:19
middle and goes what's your name tiny and he goes he goes my name's Chris and
00:57:25
he goes how much you weigh Chris and he goes about 260 he goes the left side of your ass
00:57:33
maybe and then he went to the next table Yeah and then he so he knew that it was
00:57:37
Chris right I don't know I don't know it's just all funny so funny just like
00:57:42
I'm just gonna treat him like anybody else yeah he just goes there's a fat guy
00:57:45
in the front sir maybe go for him yeah he has a little bug in his ear yeah when he got older fat guy three three lady
00:57:53
wearing a flower box hat take four steps to the right that Guyer closer that's
00:57:58
him that's him get him I took it as a badge of honor I love being ripped by yeah when when I met him
00:58:08
I was a producer at the Conan show I think or no I was doing Triumph I think and I did it for for Rickles but but I
00:58:16
met him first they introduced me because they wanted to make it okay that you know make sure he would be cool with it
00:58:23
and he sees me and he just says hello rabbi which I later heard was a move he had
00:58:29
for a lot of citic was his move like John Stewart told me once that that was the first
00:58:35
thing he said to John Stewart when I'm yeah he had his big just a good safe offensive across the board thing to say
00:58:42
yeah you know we've all got our standard zingers going full full circle toward
00:58:47
the end you think Triumph never said the buzz around flies around my ass before you're sad right there's only so many
00:58:54
mathematical ways to get it that ass joke okay they can be flying around but re just told me once this was to when
00:59:03
when Rickles was still on the road you know honest to God some nights you don't
00:59:06
know if he's going to make it they give him two eyeballs he's rubbing his knees
00:59:10
honest to God I don't know and they play the music he goes out and he kills him
00:59:13
for an hour kid then he lies down the couch I like honest to God honest honest to God who's better than Robert smad to
00:59:20
got this guy he's everywhere I mean you know it really is he was really nice to
00:59:25
me too I one time this is insane I had an idea for a sitcom and it's one of the happiest half hours of
00:59:32
my whole life I got to sit in the hotel room and Pitch Larry King and Regis filbin a sitcom where they played an old
00:59:40
gay couple and they took it dead serious like this is a great idea and they had already like consulted Rickles about it
00:59:49
and Larry King's like rickle says we can do it but we can't be too swishy swishy
00:59:57
and um you know we would just talk about it and Regis the funniest was Regis he was like so Bob again I apologize for my
01:00:04
inferior Regis but it's like so if we do this you know I know there's gonna be a
01:00:09
script but not not really right I mean you know we can get out there and Larry and I can just go off right just play
01:00:15
off each other right I well there's a story to the you know it's a sitcom it's
01:00:21
got to have yeah but Bob I mean yeah B learning lines and yeah I mean we have a natural thing
01:00:28
but rickle says rickle says we just have to look natural I'm like when did Rickles become the Oracle of s run
01:00:36
everything by Rickles Mr C CPO shy CPO shy 1975 yeah if you have a copy of that treatment can you send it to me and Dana
01:00:46
um I don't think I ever bothered to write it somehow they said yes to just meeting with me for a half an hour one
01:00:53
one other thing that smile has it's one of the funniest titles is the autism
01:00:59
benefit the night of too many stars It's the funniest done of course one both of
01:01:06
you have done it you um you've done it a couple of times Dana you did the first
01:01:11
one and it was one of the greatest bits that it's ever been on that we've done
01:01:16
like seven of them what was it well how Wilner rest his soul yes music was an incredibly great guy who uh was the
01:01:23
music supervisor or supervisor at Saturday Night Live and for 200 years for 200 years he missed the first um 300
01:01:33
and he um he would help me book he knew everybody in music yeah and he would help me book the show with you know he
01:01:43
we had a Booker who would be paid and then Hal for free would get me you know he got me Elvis Costello once he got me
01:01:50
sting and this particular bit he got me Lou Reed and it was like a surprise appearance the people in rosand you
01:01:57
remember we did this in rosand and they crazy and Lou Reed comes out and it's
01:02:02
like Jimmy F saying Lou Reed and he's gonna have an all-star band and then one
01:02:07
by one he introduces the all-star band and it's all comedians it's on the drums Dana Carvey
01:02:15
on the guitar con O'Brien I think Sandler was there too Jack Black Adam Sandler and Lou Reed played it perfectly
01:02:22
like this is the all-star band and and then they did this incredibly funny somewhat
01:02:30
disrespectful but affectionate version of Walk on the Wild Side I love it and it's on it's it's on
01:02:38
YouTube and and Sandler literally like is right in his face going Lou Reed got mad at me it was very
01:02:53
awkward I still remember it yeah after the rehearsal I didn't really have a monitor I could hear he
01:02:58
used to go take a walk on the wild side so he very seriously as everyone scattered just walked over to me and
01:03:04
just was intense Lou Reed and goes don't do that don't do that don't do what
01:03:09
whatever he thought I was doing the drums I go I'm a comedian and I can't
01:03:12
hear myself don't play like that you know he just got very serious maybe it was nerves but then we came out later he
01:03:17
was totally affable he was probably just that that was the only thing he probably
01:03:22
cared about was that it sounded good right and I wanted wanted to I wanted to play well I just that my monitor drummer
01:03:28
and and you did you did it sounds amazing oh that's good I guess I got it on the air show we just had a brief
01:03:34
rehearsal you absolutely you know Adam an incredible Adam's a great guitarist and Conan's a
01:03:41
good guitarist and and Jack blacks I mean these are like all the most musical they just happen to all be there and
01:03:48
that song is brilliant but it is very very austere and very simple which is you know take a walk on you know it's
01:03:55
like it was perfect and everybody got a turn uh you didn't because you were the
01:03:59
drummer but all every all these other guys did solos in their different ways right you know and um I learned a few
01:04:06
things from Smigel today I learned that Franken and Davis hired him Franken and Davis hired me that is correct Le his
01:04:13
dad invented Crest White Strips no that's not true okay I invented I I I heard that he to bonding he he was the
01:04:22
he developed the whole tooth bonding technique right and I Lou Reed hates Dana Carvey these are the only things
01:04:29
another one of my Impressions has gone to the Stars I have Insight Insight onto this involves you someone told me today
01:04:37
so Michael Gordon wants to go right for the the Conan show he talks to Bob Bob Odenkirk and Bob Odenkirk said wait wait
01:04:47
till we get Smigel as the head writer and then somehow you got you became the head writer and then you're talking
01:04:56
about the original Conan show I thought you meant Michael Gordon wants to write for the new con show oh sorry this is
01:05:01
always back in time when they but he said Michael Gordon knew Bob Odenkirk I think so or at least casually hey a so
01:05:10
funny Dana so good funny oh my God that's so funny oh my God no you're not
01:05:18
doing that are you no was he mad about chios cuz there's a rumor down he said I
01:05:23
was really mad about it and I wasn't yeah that was something down he read online he read online that you it was
01:05:29
the most ridiculous lie imaginable that you like marched into laen off people you you were like you've been
01:05:38
there for like four weeks yeah I go you know what Mars you would have tackled the last you could have been there for
01:05:44
five years you never would have pounded on Lauren's door that was clearly made up but
01:05:49
there's a controvery around was that exploitive of Chris or not people have their different opinions
01:05:56
when he did the chi Andale sketch with his shirt off I thought that I thought the opposite which was I mean I just
01:06:02
have an inherent I thought the people were not laughing at Chris and I didn't see it
01:06:08
that way I thought because there have been a million fat comedians who you know exploit their bodies in some way or
01:06:16
another playoff being sure heavy Jackie G the thing that I saw that night was an
01:06:23
audience fall in love with Chris yeah because he was so committed and he was such a good dancer great and he wasn't
01:06:29
he acted like he wasn't remotely ashamed of his body you know that whether that's
01:06:34
you know obviously not necessarily the truth but that's what he projected and to me it was like if
01:06:41
anything they didn't use the word empowering back then but to me that's how it felt to me like you know the way
01:06:49
somebody like Bridget Everett where the person is you know completely unself conscious about their body at least it
01:06:59
played that way to me but you know I would say this I would say if you saw that in Chris if you felt that that that
01:07:08
was happening to Chris then maybe you should have talked to Chris about it and made sure it was cool with Chris instead
01:07:14
of just saying Tut Tut this is I know thing I just saw a young cast member I did not look there's different
01:07:23
levels this was Young Chris I saw a guy very athletic I think anyone NE next to Patrick sesy would look kind of chubby
01:07:32
and so Chris was moving really like a chubby guy not like a Next Level he was not even that big back then no and I saw
01:07:40
a guy killing with physical comedy but but if he was sad about it inside I I was clueless to it I was clueless too if
01:07:48
he was but I mean he when I saw him at Second City that summer he was another person I had the privilege of seeing
01:07:54
audition back then and he what struck me about him at Second City was how graceful he was like he was the opposite
01:08:03
of who got who gained some weight he's he's he was an athlete yeah yeah yeah
01:08:08
and he was incredibly graceful and that's what separated him besides you know his incredible characterizations
01:08:15
like but you know so to me that's um the sketch was the only thing it was exploiting was his
01:08:24
incredible was what made him special I would go by David's only CU David was
01:08:30
probably the closest to Chris I don't remember any I don't think David was the
01:08:34
closest back then though maybe not back then but after they did their movies and
01:08:38
stuff well right up there right that's different by then Chris started to get
01:08:43
like like you know in the motivational speaker sketch I remember adding I had one contribution to that sketch because
01:08:49
Bob was no longer there oddly enough yes Bob wrote the entire sketch and Spade you know this I I added just that little
01:08:56
part at the end where he's like Matt's gonna shade you you're here Matt's here
01:09:01
you're you know that thing yeah and KN yeah that's great and he knocks over the
01:09:06
coffee table yeah and that was like I just felt it needed like a physical topper at the end yeah good we put it in
01:09:14
and it worked and then I feel though that it did lead to like the slippery slope of Farley knocking things down oh
01:09:20
he's going through walls the ceiling yeah yeah it started it started something I did not intend to to happen
01:09:28
well they're kind of waiting for it after that every sketch they're like
01:09:31
what's he going to hit what's he going to fall through well certainly with the
01:09:33
Matt Foley ones yeah but it started happening in other sketches too he just walks in falls down Fatt falls down
01:09:40
that's all you got fars I call then then we started getting cynical about it like
01:09:45
Chris you know we would just come up with different names that Nancy carrian sketch she was
01:09:51
a great ice skater too that's true there you go yeah he could ice as well yeah so
01:09:58
that canceled out stpp Andale so we're even I just you know when people say it's just very glib to like you know
01:10:05
that sketch set him off that it's just so I just find that irresponsible to well I never heard him complain about it
01:10:13
in the years to come so I I I think he was just like if you're a young cast member and that and you get a sketch
01:10:20
that's a 10 out of 10 and he took it and it blew him up I don't think he ever
01:10:25
looked back and said but I felt like no so many other things got did he ever take his shirt off again on the show I
01:10:32
mean he he fell around and stuff and walked through walls but I don't remember him sure he did it didn't
01:10:37
become a thing let's get Chris's shirt off so that's good too it I mean there
01:10:43
was a lot of restraint until like the later I think it was wasn't until his like third or fourth year it was like
01:10:49
people were running out of what to do with them and it became like a shorthand kind of cheap move
01:10:56
have Farley break something you know but he was like oh my God Spade do you remember with his acting in that uh Tom
01:11:05
Schiller oh the coffee one yeah just the way his face changes when he when he hears that they've switched
01:11:14
folders great it a great idea how many takes does he get to trash the whole set I know that was all Tom Schiller the
01:11:21
Schiller vision of the folders commercial was a real hit but is kind of at a gem that not everyone saw I put it
01:11:29
in the best of because of that yeah great one so that people would see it cuz it was it was one of his greatest
01:11:36
acting jobs ever yeah I they could look it [Music] up all right let's W what anything else
01:11:47
for this guy Dana let's see um else for this guy your social security number
01:11:53
just for this is just uh housekeeping stay on and do the paperwork we're going
01:11:58
to jump off but um um no that's it covered literally everything you've ever
01:12:04
done well we did a lot of SNL but obviously Robert and I did the Dana Carvey Show and he Ambiguously so funny
01:12:11
that we didn't talk about the Dana Carvey Show it's all right it's a really
01:12:15
we're Saturday live Focus but that was uh you'll do a whole podcast about that
01:12:20
some right we have a Hotel Transylvania podcast after this if you want to stay that's what I that's what I'm waiting
01:12:24
for you want to stay on you you were Z just a Hotel Transylvania 2 podcast he did the cargo characters on
01:12:34
Conan which I loved you know the AR just the lips and the AR talk about oh my God
01:12:41
we didn't talk about the Hans and fron movie that would Hans and fr this is the
01:12:45
part of the show where where we just talk about how much better the show could have
01:12:49
been well H and fr movie oh what if we have to have you back that's saw I wrote
01:12:55
all your stuff out today and I I knew there was no way this was going to fit into an hour and so I know I just that's
01:13:02
more than anything I wish ID talked about that which one the Hans and fron movie because because it's so funny and
01:13:10
crazy hyal movie Dana has talked about it on here because it was the whole way it got put together and then it didn't
01:13:17
work out but there was so many Hans and fron the girly man dilemma but it was not was not homophobic it was was just
01:13:26
girly men are not are just men without big muscles like them you know do you remember the part okay well this is
01:13:33
gonna we can't I was gonna talk about the cisc and Ebert part was one of my favorite yeah that whole story have 12
01:13:40
seconds goad Hans and frons were doing their movie and they're running around
01:13:44
somewhere and they go into a room and CIS and Eber are watching movie with I mean they're they're not they're just
01:13:49
doing the the movie they're in the movie in the mov and they're doing a cross
01:13:52
country trip to Los Angeles because they want be in the movies and be with Arnold
01:13:57
yeah and then they're riding a bicycle across country and then at one point they happen upon a big a big U edifice
01:14:06
and they just walk in and Cisco and Ebert the most famous critics at the time Jean Cisco and rodri were just
01:14:12
sitting in the theater and it's just like how's the movie like it's pretty
01:14:18
good so far they're watching the movie lots of action and coll in is in this
01:14:25
dark room watching the exact movie that's taking place so on the screen is them us talking to them yeah it's you
01:14:33
talking to them they're like in their movie seats and then on SC screen us talking you see them watching the movie
01:14:40
right and it's like like four seconds behind seconds behind got it yeah that
01:14:45
kind of thing yeah and then eventually they get kidnapped because they're girly
01:14:51
men right like you go to check in on them later and they they're gone because the the the evil villain
01:14:58
has kidnapped he's like remember Sunny Bono disappears and right uh I can't
01:15:03
remember who who famous girly men of the day the bad the bad guy had a big button
01:15:08
that said hurt the weather and then we cut the look out his window go hey the weather seems hurt somehow you know yeah
01:15:16
it was uh it was gonna be Dolph lren and he had like this kind of like Final Solution villain kind of thing where I
01:15:24
am going to eliminate all the girly men from the face of the Earth and then he turned to the camera and say and I'm
01:15:32
going to hurt the environment oh that's right and the button that said hurt the environment
01:15:38
that's right yeah because we were obsessed my I I desperately wanted to do like Mike Myers was my hero later
01:15:45
because he with Dr Evil created a character that remember all these 80s comedies the villain you always had to
01:15:53
like take it seriously for like right rather than a whether it was Max vono or in Strange Brew or like there you always
01:16:01
had to have these obligatory villains and so we were trying to make fun of that and have the villain be as funny as
01:16:08
the and Mike and then Mike ended up doing it perfect good for Mike good for Mike all right I go my
01:16:18
show this has been Robert Smigel one of I would say he's the greatest sketch
01:16:24
writer uh of his generation you you he's in the he's in the discussion i' put him
01:16:30
at the top but everyone can have their opinion Jack candy was the guy that I different different Lane though I put
01:16:37
him in a different Lane but yeah it's a different Lane but here's what I'll say
01:16:40
about Jack that was why all the writers I would say if you pulled at least the writers of that era yeah they would have
01:16:46
gone with Jack and it's because someone like me wrote a lot of I'm very proud of a lot of things I
01:16:52
wrote but I feel like you know there are ideas that only I could have thought of
01:16:56
but there are other ones that I think other people could have and where Jack like nobody else could have thought of
01:17:04
almost any of the sketches Jack Handy yeah any read any readr you'd be like oh
01:17:09
my God this is Jack Handy within three lines you're like everyone looks around
01:17:12
exactly he's over there smil like people act like he was just the act seven guy
01:17:18
like the 5 to1 was huge was the biggest character on the show for a couple years
01:17:24
like lit the biggest character on the show was a cat puppet yeah yeah say look out we Frozen caveman
01:17:34
lawyer yeah would always they would get no laughs practically but everybody from
01:17:40
Lauren on down was in awe of that brilliant sketch and so it was always it always made the show it was never at the
01:17:47
end of the show because we were all collectively just so proud to put it on I am a simple unfrozen caveman or
01:17:56
something that was just the perfect use of Phil he did that perfect I don't know
01:18:03
what's going on yeah it's almost like will simple caveman I think just a
01:18:10
simple C I think 60 million imp punitive damages feels about right so we all love Jack yes okay
01:18:20
thanks Robert thanks Robert thanks guys loved it all right talk to you soon buddy love you
01:18:28
bye-bye hey what's up flies what's up fleas what's up people that listen we
01:18:32
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01:18:39
fly onthewall at Cadence 13.com all right guys it's time that's flattering it's time for Q&A and uh we
01:18:48
we answer a question at the end of every show we've got about we get a lot of
01:18:52
emails I have to say but one of the most requested probably 50 about we've mentioned this sketch called massive
01:18:58
head massive headon hary so the question was no the sketch the questions aren't
01:19:03
about what's that I gave blood sorry great guy syndrome uh really oh good I'm
01:19:08
glad that the co was at least on the Downs slope when you gave away your precious fluid I was just on a flight
01:19:14
and this there's no shortage of coughing and wheezing and this lady and then I go
01:19:20
I don't want C she goes no I just have the flu I go oh okay good so all right
01:19:24
um sketch with Dana called massive head Harry and a dog was attacking the makeup
01:19:29
on Dana's head can you tell us about that or animal stories from SNL sorry you get one question uh thank you love
01:19:36
the show okay that's for David Hees massive massive head wound Harry so they
01:19:42
put a prosthesis on my head so it looked like I had a massive head wound and I was clueless and innocent character I
01:19:48
walk into this party were you at the party you were in the party did you have a line I think it was a Jack Handy
01:19:53
sketch I I thought it was a smigly really would handy go that Me Maybe I don't know wow great for us this is
01:20:01
another Google it while we're answering because we're both probably lying so the
01:20:04
point is just cuz we tend to ramble but massive head when Harry goes around he scares everybody his head goes in a
01:20:10
punch ball it's like pretty grotesque and then he lies down and goes I'm going
01:20:14
to go take a nap this is me so I go on the couch so we have a dog it's a really
01:20:18
is a lab retriever um anyway so during the practice show the dog is supposed to start biting and trying to eat my head
01:20:26
and so it did and it was at a certain level of energy and whatever for the air show and killing no dress killed still
01:20:33
killed but on the air show they put so much more I think it was like almost like Gerber's baby food meat flavor they
01:20:39
put like 10 times more on the prosthetic 52 SOS so the labador the labad dooodle
01:20:45
goes [ __ ] house and it's just grabbing and not hurting me but just eating and
01:20:50
wants to take the whole thing off massive head's head it starts to stretch out now I have a thought in my head like
01:20:57
okay I don't want it to take the thing off only because the sketch is killing
01:21:02
and I don't want it to be killing oh because it went off so I put my hand on
01:21:07
my temple I'm holding the thing on and it's taking all the strength I can and
01:21:12
funny with the sound off so I'm not speaking everyone's looking the dog is
01:21:16
doing that and it goes on for like a minute yeah la Michaels apparently was looking at a monitor and crying with
01:21:22
laughter so it went went went went and there's it's hard to top a dog trying to
01:21:27
eat a man's head on live television that's the for all you comedy writers
01:21:31
out there that's what I got what's your point of view David well I think I was
01:21:35
in the sketch or I was just standing on the side watching it and uh did did great at dresser H so it was funny a guy
01:21:41
massive head W Harry comes into a party for no explanation has a head wound yeah
01:21:44
and had a little song He's massive massive head wound Harry and then the dog does it great at dress dog goes
01:21:51
crazier the dog trainer's freaking out on air the dog's really freak out Dana
01:21:55
is trying to hold it and I think he said I think he smells my dog yeah and he must smell my dog gar with that
01:22:02
character but I remember you had to stand in for me I had to go somewhere during rehearsal didn't you have to put
01:22:07
the prosthetic on yeah just for 30 minutes I go put this Al on your head it took 11 hours to
01:22:14
get I made that part up so thank you David thank you uh that's a great question yes
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