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Drew Barrymore. >> Drew Drew Barrymore. >> Universally loved. >> Very sweet. Um, and I've known her since
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the old days right around wedding singers when I met her and we talk about that and I saw her out the other night
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and I never see her. She's one of the ones I just never see. And she was >> perfectly sweet and lovely as you would
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think. Yeah, she was when I saw her when we were vetting our friend Adam Sandler at
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the Kennedy Center honor recently, >> right? >> I just ran into her and um I'd seen some
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of her show and we'd had her on our podcast and I said, "You're really
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really good at this." And she just paused and she's very sincere and her
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shoulders dropped and she said, "Really? You think so?" >> She's very vulnerable and sweet. Uh and
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uh we enjoy talking to her. one of our favorite podcasts. She's uh easy to talk
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to and goes anywhere you want her to go to. So, I think this is a fun one. >> Here, here she is. Drew Barmore.
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>> Bill her has kind of a his voice has a treble softness to it, but then when he
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did Daniel de Lewis, it just went incredibly deep. So his range is like really kind of interesting cuz his
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talking voice is very sort of soft, >> you know, up here and we had a great
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time and then he's like, "But I >> I like that." I try to do Daniel Lewis
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and you guys both do it and I forgot. >> I used to do it like crazy. I was his
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was so great. Um, I feel like we, you know, at some point we'll just tell I I
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I was going to say, yeah, that if they said you were the best ever, I wouldn't
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slug him in the face, but there's 50 people that could be mentioned. You know, there's it's just people love to
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have lists. >> Yeah. >> I don't want Maya Rudolph to go, what's
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what's going on? >> But he's definitely up there. >> Well, he just um it's kind of like Will
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Forte. Hey, that middle knots that early to 2010 or 12, whatever. >> Knots is the grossest.
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>> I know. Had a lot of It had a a lot of talent. That's why I listed all of them
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and I forgot my Rudolph. There's a lot of talent. >> Where's that lady?
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>> OH MY GOD, YOU GUYS. I'VE BEEN HERE the whole time screaming. It was on [ __ ]
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mute. >> I didn't want to interrupt you. I was like, "Oh, I guess they're going and
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riffing. I'll just sit here." >> You thought we were ignoring you the
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whole time on the wall. I was I was listening in. You were talking about Maya Rudolph and the knots or thes or
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whatever we're calling them. And I literally was like, "Oh, I guess when
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they're ready, they'll invite me in." But this these are like the high class
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problems of our current world. Um I you're on mute. I can't see. Your screen
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is off. This is the new verbiage for us. But I actually have been sitting here waiting um to jump into the double
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dutch. Um, literally I'm so excited that you guys would have me on your show.
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>> Are you crazy? >> I love both of you so much. I'm in. I'm
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double dutching with you right now and I'm loving. >> My wife said, "Oh, Drew's so sweet.
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She's so fun. I have so much energy." And I go, "You think?" I don't know.
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I'll tell you what happens. But already you're exactly what she promised.
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>> She's Well, she's so kind and she's definitely right about the energy part.
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I'm a lot. I'm like a lab Labrador in heat. >> I like the heat. >> Yeah, I've heard people say that. Yeah,
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>> I am. I But like with Yeah. >> Well, that was my >> Go ahead.
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>> No, go ahead. I'm a Labrador in heat. What >> then I when I'm happy, when I'm intense,
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I think I'm a whole other metaphor. But when I'm happy, I'm like a Labrador in
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heat panting, probably trying to grab your leg, you know. >> Interesting. Huh. Well, I read I read um
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some things about you last night and it was truly impressive and exhausting how much you packed in. So I I mean my god
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>> Labrador and Heat. I'm going and how young you are from where I'm perched.
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It's like damn you got you where does that come from? Where does the where's
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the motor to do all this and then become a producer and now this and I don't
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know. I can't even >> uh >> any maybe a hard question to ask. It's
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more of an Oprah question or Larry King. >> I love it. I I'm like I did not expect
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the how do you do it question that's traditionally a woman towoman. >> Oh well. Yes. And a mom working mom.
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Yeah. >> Yeah. I like like that you guys are asking it because >> Yeah. We're real thinkers, Drew.
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>> Well, we love we love women basically. >> I and I love and I love funny men. So,
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this is a match made in heaven. Um, >> a win-win. >> I I I do it by burning the candle at
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both ends. Uh, I actually I'm here editing our next issue of a magazine um that we're making,
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>> of course. >> And I um I I think about it's weird a lot people will ask that question and I
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think I've been so passive about my answer because my humility wants to go, "No, no, no, I don't do that much. Let
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let me turn it back to you. >> Yes. >> Um and um lately I've been for this
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magazine um and trying to think of uh some content for it. I've been looking
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at the how and the we not the how and the eye, but I think that it's really messy. And I was brought up sort of we
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all lived in that world where we would see those articles where people were like 8 a.m. I drink my coffee and I do
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this. Okay, >> Mark Wahberg 2 a.m. >> 10:30 I do this, you know. And I I never
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lived that life and it seemed so type A and unattainable. And I was more the you never know where
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the day is going to take you whimsical or I will burn myself to a crisp and then I'll find that pocket of rest and
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wellness somewhere else. Uh, so I don't I don't know how anyone does it and if
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they do it in an organized fashion, they have my deepest respect. And if they feel like it all feels like putting out
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fires and kind of burning yourself out and it's all like a higgledy piggledy
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mess and it's super comedic and there are chickens running through the frame
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and like rando funny [ __ ] is going on. that feels so true >> um to our to my experience and um I
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would never preach to anyone that I have it together or that I'm a blueprint. I
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am just a work in progress and so far I'm I'm I'm shocked uh in some ways that
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like I am a relatively healthy person because I feel like I don't live a very
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healthy lifestyle. >> Geez. And that's been Drew Barammore today. Uh, we appreciate that. Amazing.
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I go ahead. I have a question. >> No one argues that she's busy. Her IMDb
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looks like a CVS receipt. >> And And if you could see her zoom, it's like it looks like house and garden. Me
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and Dana look like we're in a bunker in Kabool. >> Yeah, we're her place looks gorgeous. It
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looks like >> she looks fresh as a daisy. >> Yeah, fresh as a daisy. Gorgeous. And
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>> only because I have hair and makeup because I'm at the show. And by the way,
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on my headstone will for sure say death by inspo because I'll have inspired myself into the grave. Like I can't even
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look at a woman's shoe without going, "Do you mind if I take a quick picture
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of that?" Because that color tone would just be so great for the packaging on
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the next thing I'm making. Like it's I I cannot I can't stop. And sometimes I
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feel like I wish I could just like have like quick temporary, you know, I I think that's probably why
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I drank so much back in, you know, most of my life. What do you mean? You had a problem.
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>> Just shut it down. I was like, just shut up, >> dude. At seven, you were like, I can't
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take it anymore, >> dude. You know what? Yeah. >> Yeah. At seven, I was paying the rent.
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And that's a lot of stress. >> That that Yeah. Fairly uncommon thing for a human being in America to be uh
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paying the rent at seven. >> Drew, I can relate. Dana, I didn't tell you this. I was a child star, too. I
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when I was uh my dad was in advertising. He was like a madman type of guy. And when I was
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>> I was five, I was pretty cute. I had a good run from five to eight. So when I
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was five and my brother my my dad goes, "Why don't you be in this like Taco Bell commercial that
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we're filming?" Cuz they were part of it. He goes, "They need some kids. We'll
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throw you in. We'll give you 10 bucks." And I was like, "Holy shit." So they
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they put 10 $1 bills out for me on my desk. I probably got a thousand, but they kept it, you know. And they go,
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"Here's your 10." And then I And then they took nine of it. And I go, "So you
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already took a cut, I'm sure, before behind before I saw it." Then I get 10.
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And then you go, "We'll hold it." And I go, "Wait, what's going on?" And then I
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had a dollar left. Like they go, "Go nuts." >> You guys Drew's like, "I hear that."
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>> I was still I didn't put down my waiters apron till 23 and a half. You guys start
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right out of kindergarten. Like what a start. >> Uh, can I ask you a question, Drew?
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because you kind of thought talked about like Reese Witherspoon, okay, she's
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another >> like how did she do all that and I heard her kind of own it like in the way men
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can sort of own it like okay I get out of my way I can do anything basically do you is it difficult for you to have that
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gear because people would say I'm nice they say you're nice and but you know do
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where do you have that part of you that has a ego like can kind of give yourself
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give yourself a pat on the back. >> I don't. >> So that's why you just keep going.
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>> Yeah. And I hate those. And I know Reese. Um so I I you know, she's just
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incredible that she is a good like hot question mark of how the hell does she do it? Um I um I I feel like I had uh so
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much opportunity because of starting as a kid that the gender effect never >> um had me. It never had my attention. It
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was squandered early because I started working as a baby and kept working. So, I never had the um anything other than I
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I could do all these things and they're my opportunities to screw up or make
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something of >> and um there were men and women giving me those opportunities. Um I just wrote
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the forward to the new ET book because it's the 40th anniversary and I was talking about Kathleen Kennedy and
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Melissa Mat. You know, I I saw women at work. Um, so, uh, I I just really didn't
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have that I need to be aggressive or act like a man to get anything done. I always felt permission to check in with
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my idols, the Go-Os and Pippy Longtocking, who were all girl all the time, but they did everything that boys
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did. And it became my ethos on making Charlie's Angels was why do women have
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to pretend to be men in order to look strong and capable because the truth is in my world if I was kicking butt with
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my girlfriends we would totally be talking about last night's date while taking the bad guy down. And bad guy
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could be again bad guy or bad girl. I've never been affected. Luckily, I've not
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had the unfortunate anenu treatment of being held back or as I started a production company at 19 and
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we was really in the era of the powersuit woman, I was like intimidated by that and just felt like screw it. I'm
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going to be a girl with my corduroys and my transport backpacks and the work is going to speak for me and no man has
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ever kept me down. They've only helped give me opportunities as women have. And
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I'm just I'm a girl. And I I think the one thing that's always stuck out for me
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about men first and foremost was that like a lot of my comedy influence when I was young came from men.
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>> There weren't a ton of female comedians. >> Um there's so many more now. I feel like
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the playing field is so much more equal. Um, so I identified men a lot with funny
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and that was a good thing. I didn't think of men as my bosses or anyone who was going to hold me back or I had to be
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like them. I've had fortunate liberation my entire life like that. >> And I hate boss [ __ ] I hate it. Boss
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lady, it sounds like you're hanging a pair of balls on you um with a bitterness and I don't like that cuz I
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don't have one bitter bone in my body. However, if people have to put, you know, metaphorical balls on or a cape or
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do any mechanism to empower themselves that I stand back and do not judge because everybody has their process of
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how they get to bravery. Mhm. >> She has the best answers. >> Oh my god.
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>> They're unreal. >> Oh, David Spade, I love you so much. >> I mean, my god. Uh, we have to talk
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about SNL. By the way, I back to ET to have two women that high up in the chain.
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>> Must have been nice back then. And they must have had an even keel about them
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because you look up to them and you don't see them. I mean there is equal up
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there with everybody that are running a huge huge movie. That's good. That's a
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good influence early on. >> And Stephen Spielberg was flanked by these two women, Frank Marshall was
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there, but >> Kathleen Kennedy and Melissa Mat and >> uh so >> Melissa wrote it just for our viewers.
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>> Melissa wrote it. She was married to Harrison Ford at the time. >> Um they were very close. Uh they had the
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script for years. They were making the Indiana Jones movies. They were all a tight-knit group. And um she had this
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script. It was called A Boy's Life. And um and yeah, >> that's what ET was called.
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>> Yeah, it wasn't called ET until after the film was made. I guess it maybe in
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marketing. I'd have to ask. >> It was called Little Gross Monster for a
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little bit. I heard >> cute little alien. >> Uh okay, go ahead. So ask Dana, ask her
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a question about SNL. What are you doing? >> I I know. I'm I'm so I'm so uh I'm a
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little starruck. I'm starruck, too. >> I'm fascinated by your life. I I I think
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it's so cool that >> I'm starruck by you guys. I mean, literally, you're about to bring up SNL.
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And I I don't know where your question's going to go, but boy, did that show
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change my life in so many ways. Mhm. >> Uh but in no way did I participate the
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way that you guys have. >> For people who don't know it, you've hosted six times, which is a record for
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>> I'm tied. I'm tied right now. I think >> with Candace Bergen or No.
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>> Nope. She's five. Uh, I think I'm tied with ScarJoe, who I really pretty sure
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is going to beat me because >> she's great on Oh, yeah. She's married
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to Colin. >> She's got a fast track. We're going to book her for three a year.
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>> Oh, >> yeah. She makes, you know, big movies that are going to, you know, I I I'm
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sure she's going to beat me and I love her so much and we just did the show together. Um, and if anyone's going to
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beat it, but here's a record I do hold that I I think I will be. It will be bittersweet when it happens. Um, I am
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still the youngest >> host in 1982 at 7 years old. >> Yes. >> And that one's going to hurt.
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>> That's going to be a tough one. That's in really no danger. I don't know.
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Unless >> I wonder how has it not been taken? How the hell has that not happened?
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>> Well, cuz it's child abuse. >> Hey kid, you're going to I can't even
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handle I was crying when I hosted and I'd done 200 shows. It's like you go
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back there and you're like, wait, what do I do? And the band's playing. It's
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terrifying. >> I'm 47 and I can't even. But did the Was the monkey a surprise?
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>> Yes. Yes. A total surprise. >> It was a nonsequ for David. Yeah. Go
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ahead. explain that because that >> Jim Kasarinsky um who I had just an adorable crush on.
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I just thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. >> Um they didn't want me to have to deal
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with an opening monologue. Um and they sort of addressed that in the monologue and they say instead we're going to do a
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Q&A with Tim um and Drew. Uh weird to say your name. And um so he asked me questions on little index cards and I
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>> adorable. >> And then at the end he says, "We have a surprise for you." And they bring out
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this monkey. I >> chimpanzee. Yeah. >> I don't know what the point of it was
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other than to >> Well, your reaction >> cutest thing and the most delightful
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surprise for anyone, let alone a seven-year-old girl. I remember so many different emotions.
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Uh Stephen Spielberg came and he is very much a probably the only father figure I've really had in my life and he was
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very parental and uh on the show night he brought Robin Williams which scared me to death because I was so
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obsessed with Robin Williams and >> um that felt very intimidating uh to me
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and um um >> who's blabbing? >> Yeah, somebody's auditioning back there.
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>> Sorry. Sorry. Um, >> tell them you don't want to get spayed mad. They're all like,
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>> "Exactly." Um, so, um, >> Robin Williams. >> So, Robin Williams. Um, and it was such
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a weird mixed bag because the there I was in the opening scene, which I didn't
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realize until way later how hard it is to get in the scene before the credits. Um, like I spent my young adulthood
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fighting to get in that opening scene and it's really the cold open and I was
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in it and they all circle around me and I'm sad about something and they are
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rallying me up and then they said, you know, would you like a glass of milk? And I remember my line was milk. I'm a
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Barrymore. Uh, I want to drink and make it a double. And um >> seven years old.
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>> Seven. >> Boy, little did I know how true that would end up being.
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>> You were like, "All kidding aside, make it a double." >> Was there was there a family history of
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of that at all or >> Oh my god. I mean, literally, they all died of consumption. Literally, my
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grandfather died of consumption. Um, I think Ethel and Lionol were a bit more put together, but yeah, total hedonists
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and um and artists um and a long line of alcoholism and uh and yeah, I So, >> it's highly genetic. Obviously,
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>> it is highly genetic, but I'm going to be the one who breaks that in our chain.
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>> Break it. >> Yeah. >> I haven't I haven't had a drink in
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almost three years, and um it's it's a really good feeling. What's your happy
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place? How do you calm down then? Do you meditate? Do you take a bath? Do you run
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around the block? >> How do you calm that that thinking brain without alcohol?
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>> Um, >> yeah. And I'm not sober. I don't work a program. It's just I realized my
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relationship with alcohol was the most toxic one in my life. And one I'd been
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trying to master since I was nine years old and did start drinking. Um, and that
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yeah, I had to find a way uh I had to find a different way to live and I can sort of trace every negative thing back
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in my life. And there's probably alcohol dancing in there somewhere. Um, and it's
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like the best breakup I've ever had in my life. And it's so confident and
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quiet. And I have a bar in my house. I serve people drinks. I have no hang-ups about it. I'm just like so psyched at
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this choice to finally cut this like cancer out of my life. It's something excuse me.
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>> Well, you feel better, too. I mean, there's a lot of positives if you can
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get through it. It's a lot of >> energy upside. And so, how did you manage all these movies and this massive
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career while h embibing? Was it sort of binge drinking or would you how did you >> people look the other way? Um, I think
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you know when you do burn the candle at both ends and you are prolific, that's
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part of the fooling yourself like but I'm doing all this work so I'm functioning.
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>> Yeah. >> Um, and that was definitely my justification. But I was more of like when I partied I
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was the crazy one. Um, like I can think of another SNL alum, Chris Katan, whose nickname and I for each other is
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rooftops cuz we would get wasted and jump off my roof into the pool. Um, and I had a lot of fun with it. And
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>> there there it it wasn't all bad. Um, and then I think when kids came into my life, I
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realized that this was >> no longer sustainable and I made a hard choice and it's the best one I've ever
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made. When it was just me and my life, I guess I didn't matter to myself enough
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to find the balance. my kids mattered more to me than I did and I found the balance and it didn't come easy and it
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wasn't pretty and we all wish we had done things sooner but I'm here and I'm
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so happy to be here and that in itself I think has replaced a ton of meditation and jogging and newagy stuff and
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self-help and self-care just being uh a person who hasn't corroded with guilt
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and dysfunction and blame. Like I had a bad girl narrative growing up. So every time I did something wrong, I went
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straight back to, "Well, you're a bad girl, so what the [ __ ] else do you
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think? It's you. You're the bad girl." >> And if it's kind of your your thing,
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like she's the drinker and the fun party girl. Then you're like, it's already
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sort of factored in, so no one's going to get mad. That's kind of what they
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want. >> 100%. I'm the good time girl. Um, and I did have a good time. I wasn't willing
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to give it up for a long time. I was balancing it in a way where I was working my ass off. I work hard. I
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played hard and that was okay for 30 years. And then I I I think growing up is an overrated. I'm totally into it. I
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really um I I am I'm I feel so lucky to have arrived at a more peaceful ser place. I'm 47 and I don't know if it I
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just only know my own journey. I started so much younger than other people in in
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many ways, but I think a lot of my wisdom came later. Um, and that's okay. I don't even ask people what their age
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is because I don't give a [ __ ] I don't think it's going to tell me everything
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about you. You're going to tell me. If I have to ask people what their age is,
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I'll literally say, "What's your number?" because it's not indicative of
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your journey. There are people who have clawed their way through life at such a young age and been dealt such strange
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cards. And there are people who just can't seem to mature no matter how hard
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everyone around them is trying. They won't. >> Did you say David? No. >> That was a joke. Look at him in his
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mansion. He's very He's very successful. But >> listen, I was when I when I my when I
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was 9 years old, my mom would say, "You're not drinking till you're nine."
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Like Drew Baron. >> And I go, "Right. That's a weird We had a tough rule." Um, no. I've got my [ __ ]
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together, Drew. Um, no, I don't. >> Do you? >> Drew, no. We're We're about you.
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>> We're damaged little clowns, you know. >> Yeah, we're little clowns.
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It was a it was an interesting lesson growing up being such a lover of male comedians. Um, you know, so many wake-up
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calls on who used the sort of torture as an excuse to, you know, behave a certain way or be
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kind of an intense person or, you know, talking to me or Dana >> and those who didn't, you know, and
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>> I would definitely gravitate towards the ones who didn't. But I it I and my mom,
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by the way, when I was a kid, not only did I get to do SNL at 7 years old, but my mom worked as a waitress in the
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comedy store. So, I now have a character that I do for the digital on our show named Mity Banana Mo, and it's all
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dedicated to Mitsy Shaw. Really, she's the inspiration for it. And I get to ask
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questions that I can't get away with on daytime television. And I got a wig and
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a look and a whole thing. And I, you know, >> that's great. >> Sounds so funny coming out of you.
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>> Do you have a lot of Mitsy stories? Cuz I, we have stories about Mitsy. You
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know, >> Polly sure was my babysitter. >> Oh, yes. >> Sorry. Was everything okay?
00:26:50
>> I I think so. Him and Don Him and Donovan Leech used to like look after me
00:26:56
sometimes. like our parents didn't I mean my mom is an extreme case and you know but like a lot of people were in
00:27:05
that time like we did not parent back then the way we do now and >> it's crazy the scrutiny and the
00:27:13
helicopter parenting and the guilt and the books and the rights and the wrongs and the dos and the don'ts. Yeah. My mom
00:27:19
just left me with Polly and Donovan uh while she and Mitsy were off at work. It it was fun. I I loved it. And my mom
00:27:28
gave me such a rich history on who each and every comedian was. Um, and what their body of work was and what Steve
00:27:38
Martin meant and what Robin Williams meant and who these people that came and did a set that night or here's the
00:27:44
person up and coming. >> It's very in my DNA. And so for me getting on this podcast with you guys,
00:27:52
like I'm the one freaking out. I don't know what so much of my life would be
00:27:57
without the things that you both have put into the world. And comedy is a very healing thing. I call it medicine
00:28:05
always. And I've been trained like a little seal to appreciate and understand
00:28:11
the power of when someone makes you laugh, they take away your pain and stress. They give you a respit from your
00:28:20
trauma and your damage and your worries and the things you got to do and the things that have affected you. You are
00:28:28
liberated and free in that moment >> because you your chemistry changes. >> You can't laugh and worry at the same
00:28:36
time. >> I I mean, and by the way, the more you're worried, I hope the more you are
00:28:42
laughing because it's the only way you're going to survive it. Well, this
00:28:46
leads me to a question because uh you're given a background what comedy meant to
00:28:50
you and and learning this in real time with you. Um what does it mean to have hosted SNL for you? Cuz then you go into
00:28:59
America's comedy palace basically and you host it six times. I mean, what does
00:29:04
that mean to you? And and and how thrilling was it for you to then be part of it after the age of seven and then
00:29:11
you're an adult, mature, funny person on that show? Why does it what does it what
00:29:16
is it? I don't know. You have six minutes to answer that question. >> I I really feel like um that show is an
00:29:27
institution and it's a living breathing tree. It's a giving tree that new leaves come out of
00:29:39
its branches and these leaves are these people, these artists. Such good answers
00:29:45
so far. >> Yeah. >> And so poetically we you you speak like a poet through
00:29:50
>> Yeah. It's unreal. >> Have you written a book of poems? You have, haven't you? I don't I think
00:29:54
>> I Yeah, I do write poetry. I love poetry. I read >> I read a lot of poetry growing up. Um I
00:30:02
and we get to bask in the shade and the light of that tree. And it's like it's it formed me so much as a human
00:30:13
being. And I'm happy to say whether it's successful or not, I don't know. I'm not
00:30:18
objective about myself. Um I never want to be. Um but when I was lucky enough to get the show
00:30:26
that I'm doing now, >> um which is a talk show, it has my name on it. I actually asked for it to be
00:30:31
named something else. They said that's not how this works. I said fine. >> Um Uh,
00:30:38
>> we'll go with a household name. >> You have a great You have a great name.
00:30:42
>> Yeah, it's a cool name. >> One syllable and then three syllables.
00:30:45
It's just It goes Drew Barrymore. It's just a cool name. >> That Thank you, Dana Carvey. Actually,
00:30:53
>> Dana ends in a sm that ends in a smile. Um, I think, um, >> I had never thought of that.
00:31:02
>> Um, it's true. Um, I I leaned in so hard to my SNL training for this show.
00:31:13
>> Um, and a couple examples are that when we launched in a pandemic in 2020, it
00:31:19
was a very scary time to find a voice. I felt like it was >> um >> in order to be quiet and be a good
00:31:28
listener and be a student and learn. And so that was really intimidating. But I tried to tap into bravery to be
00:31:37
funny and have a show that really celebrated comedians and go hard on comedy. Um, it was
00:31:45
>> go hard. I love it. >> It was scary and it I think it confused a lot of people. Um,
00:31:53
and especially in that moment like what the hell is this >> pandemic? Here she comes again. Yep. and
00:32:01
um the Drew's News segment of the show from which I fought for since the pilot.
00:32:08
Um I kept trying to explain it to everybody and um obviously there is this section of a magazine called The Week
00:32:18
that's called It Wasn't All Bad and it's just these tiny babysized paragraphs
00:32:23
that are so funny and uplifting and weird. Um, and then Weekend Update and then, you know, I just kept saying I
00:32:33
just like Weekend Update to me is is a drug. >> I I'm on that feeder. I watch it every
00:32:42
week. I've I've never I never I don't miss it. I I I love finding out information in a funny way.
00:32:55
Um, you could call it satire, you could call it pop culture, you could call it comedy, but like that news desk, I had a
00:33:03
picture of Walter Kankite, the weekend update desk, and like the week magazine. And
00:33:10
>> it I think everyone was really scared because they were like, well, that's
00:33:14
very written. And I was like, no, I know. I'm not going to write it. We're
00:33:19
gonna report stories that give people hope because there is good news out there and there are lifeaff affirming
00:33:27
things and there are weird happenings and interesting findings and we're going
00:33:31
to be an aggregator for that and then we can do commentary on it. >> Um I think Chelsea lately honestly was a
00:33:39
really interesting >> Oh yeah. you know, she she did a format where they really commented more on like
00:33:44
gossip and pop culture and but it was so much fun and no one had done that show >> and she had a panel of comedians and it
00:33:52
was delicious and nobody had done that. >> Um >> and you know Drew during your during the
00:33:58
pandemic it's even harder because it's an uphill battle. Everything on the news
00:34:02
is bad. It was so pessimistic and so rough that you're fighting through that
00:34:06
clutter. And if anyone would just turn to the channel and see you, they're like, give me a breather here for a
00:34:10
second. >> I didn't know if I would ever be one. But I knew that I wanted and I thought,
00:34:17
I want to be a bright spot and not a blind spot. I want you to come here and not think that I don't understand what's
00:34:24
happening all around us. But there is beautiful things. There are wonderful people. There is that good. And if we
00:34:32
have to be reminded in life affirming ways that this battle is worth it, great. Then that's what I want to do.
00:34:40
And how do I take us out while not seeming like I've lost the plot or I'm
00:34:47
not in and aware and civic duty-minded of everything that is really happening in reality. And it was the weirdest
00:34:56
seessaw ever to balance. But I would say that Saturday Night Live has been my biggest influence
00:35:04
um in my life. >> Mhm. Jesus. >> Uh and now that it I got to do a show
00:35:12
that's not a movie or not a script or not a romcom, but probably involves a lot of people from the SNL alum. Um, you
00:35:22
know, you can you can see that love and that honoring and that adhesive sort of admiration I have for male comedians
00:35:31
because I've spent so much time, you know, >> how about Sandler and Fallon and you did
00:35:36
movies with both those guys? Like, how crazy. >> And I I got to be in Wayne's world as
00:35:42
Burgan Kieran for >> Burgen Kieran. Can we hear a little bit of Burgen Kiran from Wayne's World too?
00:35:49
By the way, I really feel like that was the I like I'm I I was worried sweet
00:35:54
like anyone was going to be mad at me. Like I made a a real joke out of the accent cuz I didn't really study enough
00:36:00
for it and I didn't I sort of went for the broad comedy and I was like offend
00:36:06
people with that. >> Oh god. >> People's got to stop being offended. But
00:36:10
it was I'm vegan and >> all I do is Greta Thmberg. I don't know what country she's from. How dare you?
00:36:17
>> How dare you? That's it. It's just three words. >> What is it like to be able to have that?
00:36:30
Like Jimmy Fallon came on the show the other day and he's married to my partner. They fell in love on Fever
00:36:35
Pitch. Um so he's like we're family. Um but we did one episode together here on
00:36:41
this show where we were like let's try impressions. And >> like I suck at impressions. Like what's
00:36:48
it like to have that kind of access in the snap of a finger and be able to do any voice? Like I have to study and like
00:36:56
take it so seriously that I almost lose the freedom and the whimsy. I got to learn it so well that then I can play
00:37:05
cuz I've got it so [ __ ] down that now I feel liberated and free because I've
00:37:10
held on to it so tightly. What's it like to just be like, "Ha, here. Play
00:37:16
fingertips access." >> Well, I I don't know exactly what you're
00:37:22
saying, but I think I've got a bloody idea about something you're trying to
00:37:28
everyone. >> Michael Kane, if I had to say it, I didn't know. Listen, you're tremendous.
00:37:33
Everyone says, "Excuse me." Many people Drew Barrymore, you your your show's
00:37:37
terrific. It's terrific. Many pe Excuse me. Many people are saying >> it's a it's a it's it's all inflection.
00:37:43
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I just have fun with it. I'm in awe of like there's certain people do
00:37:46
certain impressions and I just love it and I'm on awe of it. And Jimmy Fallon
00:37:51
his his Neil Young, you know, it's like insane. >> His Neil Young is so good.
00:37:56
>> He has so much talent. Uh, you know, I've talked to people there like he's
00:38:00
with Justin Timberlake and they're doing they're choreographing something and
00:38:03
they go Jimmy just one time he's got it and then he can sing and he dances and
00:38:07
he does all these voices and he's such a great great uh talk show host because
00:38:12
he's he's so such a great audience. We're all so influenced by that renaissance variety
00:38:20
>> human >> um that can pull out of the ether or have a premeditated uh approach to it or
00:38:30
access to both. >> Um >> well, what's one that you learned? You talked about learning one and really
00:38:36
owning it. >> Yeah. Do you have a good one? Load it up. >> Do you do Chloe Fineman?
00:38:39
>> Sorry, I had to burn. >> Jesus. >> Um I'm sorry. That's my favorite thing.
00:38:44
>> Who is that? Awesome. >> We've done We've done dozens of these.
00:38:47
That's my favorite moment. Thank you, Drew. That's the most real moment.
00:38:52
>> Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm not >> Now you're definitely the coolest one.
00:38:57
>> Oh, good. Oh, good. Um I um >> All right, that one's getting to my
00:39:02
house now. It's just getting to me. O, >> I uh Let's see. What have I eaten today?
00:39:06
Um >> chili dog. I can tell you. >> Um no, just only quinoa. like a quinoa
00:39:13
porridge. It's It's pretty boring. Boring. Um I >> uh Oh [ __ ] What was the question?
00:39:20
>> Let's make fun of Sandler for the end. >> Oh, we have a lot of Sandler questions
00:39:24
at the end. >> We got a little Let's We got Sandler questions. We like to clown on him.
00:39:29
>> Um I mean, God, do I just I love him so much. >> He doesn't. >> We got some monster movies with him.
00:39:36
Adams made a lot of great movies, but I think 51 Dates is like one of his very very best because I it was such a
00:39:44
complete film and it was emotional at the end. You know, I don't Didn't you
00:39:47
find that to be an extra special one you did with him? 50 51 Dates. You've done
00:39:52
three >> 5 Dates. >> 51 First Dates >> or 51. It originally uh another title uh
00:39:59
changed. It was called 51st Kisses. Um, and I think they thought that was too girly
00:40:06
>> uh in the marketing >> dates. >> Um, like dates is more gender neutral.
00:40:12
Now, >> this actually became a really big study for me about men and women. This is
00:40:20
where I really did take on gender. So, Nan, my partner, had found that script and it was a drama that took place in
00:40:28
Seattle. And funny enough, she like wanted Reese Witherspoon to do it. She was like your own.
00:40:35
>> She was like, "You're busy. I'm gonna I was I believe in Reese Witherspoon." She
00:40:39
was a total fan. We've all been fans of hers forever. I've known Reese since I
00:40:42
was 14 years old. >> Um and so she had me read it at a table reading and I was like, "Oh my god, this
00:40:49
is the best script ever." And we wanted to to um get attached to it as producers
00:40:56
at Flower Films. and it disappeared overnight. Like it just someone gobbled it up and then her and I tracked it for
00:41:05
the next like I mean years, several years. It went through different big directors and big actresses. Um and uh
00:41:16
we just Nan and I were like determined to track where this script went. And all of the sudden it finally metriculates
00:41:26
over to none other than Happy Madison. >> Happy Madison. >> And that is to anyone who doesn't know
00:41:33
is Adam Sandler's company. He's always done it with the same people. He always
00:41:37
will. He's such a loyalist. And um it was everybody I knew from The Wedding Singer. And
00:41:44
>> Oh, another great one. Yeah. Oh, I love that movie. >> Oh, another monster.
00:41:48
>> Well, I stalked him. I was like, I know that you and I are supposed to be
00:41:52
Katherine Heppern and Spencer Tracy, except for probably through more of like a Marty Feldman Buddy Hacket lens.
00:42:00
>> Um, >> I'm not fancying myself, Katherine Heburn here. I've got purple hair and a
00:42:05
leopard coat on and you're like sporty sport. You're sporty spice. So, nothing
00:42:10
about us physically says that this is a match. that I am convinced, Adam, that you and I are supposed to be cinematic
00:42:18
soulmates. And uh we did the wedding singer together. And then I think it was like
00:42:24
10 or 11 years later, I found out the script went to him. I ran into my trailer. We were filming Charlie's
00:42:30
Angels on the Sony lot. Happy Madison was on the Sony lot. And instead of running over to his office, I thought,
00:42:36
I'm going to type out a letter for him. So I got on my Oliveti typewriter and I
00:42:40
typed out this um letter to him hysterically sobbing. And this I think >> the power of a letter. I've had multiple
00:42:50
things happen that have changed my life for the better or in palpable powerful ways through a letter.
00:42:57
>> Yeah. >> Don't deny the power of a letter. And I said, I I know we've talked about maybe
00:43:03
coming back together. We set ourselves up real well in the first one, which kind of [ __ ] us up for the second one
00:43:11
because the expectations are going to be really high for both of us. And >> we can't do something that is less than.
00:43:19
We have to do something equal or maybe even more than. And I am convinced that this is the movie.
00:43:27
>> And I had someone run the letter over to his office. He showed up at the my
00:43:32
trailer. door. >> I love that. >> HE'S LIKE, "WHY DO YOU LIKE THIS MOVIE?
00:43:47
We're trying to make it into a comedy." And I said, "Oh my god, really?" And he
00:43:52
goes, "Yeah." And I go, "But okay. Uh, interesting. Well, damn it. You cannot
00:44:00
lose what is so [ __ ] important about this movie, which is how do you make someone fall in love with you every day
00:44:08
and the poetry, like as a woman, I've never been more [ __ ] moved in my life. You can't wash that away with
00:44:15
goofiness. And he was like, "Yeah, but we know comedy and we know what guys want." I
00:44:21
said, "And you know what? I know what girls want." He goes, "Well, then
00:44:25
obviously you've got to produce it with me." And I said, "Well, obviously we've
00:44:29
got to make this movie together." And he was like, "So, it's happening." And I'm
00:44:32
LIKE, "IS IT HAPPENING? REALLY?" >> WOW. What a great story. I love it.
00:44:37
>> We went to work right away and we got Flower Films, which was me and Nan, and
00:44:42
Happy Madison, which was him and the boys. And we sat there and we rewrote the movie
00:44:49
based on what we thought wh like what we were all looking >> women's side, boy side. And this was in
00:44:57
the day where as a producer early on I, you know, I was told, >> you know, men make the decisions about
00:45:03
where to go to the movie that weekend and the girlfriend will go with them. >> And that's a gender stereotype that I
00:45:10
just thought, oh god, that's crazy. All right. Well, I don't know what to do
00:45:14
with that information, but thank you for telling me that. And uh we tried to make it this balanced
00:45:24
seessaw. And I we met with directors and it was in Pete Seagull who, you know, I I always think
00:45:35
I I got lucky and had a knack for seeing things in directors that they hadn't had
00:45:41
in their work before. And with Pete Seagull, I knew he was the guy. I knew he got the tone. And this was going to
00:45:48
be such a challenge to straddle like whale sperm flying in faces one minute and trying to
00:45:59
connect with the human heart and move people in the next scene. And I was like, "This is going to take a
00:46:08
very unique conductor to pull this all up and make everybody happy." And I knew
00:46:14
that Pete could do it because of our conversations. I knew he got it. >> And
00:46:19
>> Pete did another big comedy, Drew. >> What? >> Tommy Boy. >> Oh, he was your director 10 years
00:46:26
before, which is another really, really great film. >> Isn't that crazy? Look at your face.
00:46:32
>> Oh my god. I didn't even realize that. That is a [ __ ] masterpiece.
00:46:38
>> Can you believe I was saying when you just said Pete Seagull, I go, you got
00:46:41
the right guy. >> Oh my god, Tommy Boy. I mean, that's an iconic movie, David. Iconic
00:46:49
>> like history books. >> Well, love Tommy Boy. And I'm thinking
00:46:54
for you guys to balance that, the team of you, Sandler and Pete, and then you throw Rob Schneider in a coconut bra or
00:47:01
whatever he did. >> Shop. >> That's a real guy. He was based on the
00:47:08
place we stayed in. >> Rob Schneider does these great funny characters. But it's interesting, Drew,
00:47:13
you say that that the bones of it was a drama because that's still whatever you
00:47:17
guys did. >> It's kind of what it is. >> It resonated by the third actor when
00:47:22
he's on the boat. sees you again. It It got me verclept. I mean, I I took the
00:47:26
ride with it and that's hard to do in a comedy. >> It's very hard to do. It's It was my
00:47:33
life and very much with the show that again I am lucky enough to make and we fight so hard for it over here. We have
00:47:40
the best time making it, but it making a show in broadcast daytime in this time is really challenging. Um and we're
00:47:49
trying to find new ways to reinvent it. But I I want to be greedy in life and have all the tones. I think we have all
00:47:59
the feels and therefore there are all the tones and there are all the life experiences and no journey is devoid of
00:48:08
tragedy and laughter and love and heartbreak and death and loss and ecstasy and sex and you know maybe
00:48:19
children if you choose to go that route and you know relationship. It's just
00:48:24
it's all the things. And so I don't like it's music, you know, and it's visuals
00:48:30
and cinema. Like it's books, IT'S IT'S EVERYTHING. It's everything. And I want
00:48:36
so badly to put everything in a blender. >> But then I think the trick is you still
00:48:42
have to make it your own. You have to be you. Um, but I love all the all the tones and I I 50 First Dates is
00:48:52
definitely a fun tonal example that you can >> kind of have it all and do >> really well done, really well put
00:49:02
together. >> But I I'm aiming for that for everything in my life. Can it can it like maybe the
00:49:08
North Stars can be simplified down to heart and humor? Maybe you're like Paris that Ernie
00:49:15
Hemingway called it a movable feast. >> Oh, of course. That's a beautiful book.
00:49:20
>> I Yeah, it's Well, that phrase is just sort of encompasses kind of what we were
00:49:25
saying, >> the the magistry and the symphony of life and all, you know, slings and
00:49:30
arrows and ups and downs and >> better philosophers than me have spoke to. But to live is to suffer
00:49:37
>> and have joy every day. And we had a joy today visiting with you. >> We did. We got
00:49:42
>> I was a top show host in a previous live. >> Ladies and gentlemen,
00:49:45
>> Hemingway perfectly. Um uh it is such like I was so excited to do this with
00:49:53
you guys. I thank you for choosing me. Thank you for having me. >> We're thrilled.
00:49:57
>> Um thank you for everything that you've done. I I I just love and admire you and
00:50:05
I'm I'm >> Well, you've you've brought a an energy and a uh a different point of view and
00:50:10
you're a you know, you're so far sort of an outlier. It was really great to get
00:50:15
you on our podcast and hear you speak to all this stuff. Really great. >> Thank you. Said by Oh god, it's And by
00:50:26
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