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hey guys it's spoodle uh you can always go to Davids spade.com to look at my tour dates because I bless a lot of cities in America with my hilarious standup act or you could not go to it
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and get on my enemy list up to you so guys we got David burn uh a kind of a legendary uh dude in the music world
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obviously with the Talking Heads and then solo stuff it's it's interesting when Dana and I get to talk to a guy
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like this because he does have that uh wispy SNL connection because it's he was on in with the Talking Heads in 1979 and then he went on Solo in 89 and
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2020 you have to be doing well to have that big of a gap in between that means you're still churning it out and it's
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still working it's people are still buying it and that's hard to do law longevity but you hear his name all the
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time and you still hear it about you know Broadway um and the things he does he's such a smart dude this was an interesting one because Dana and I were in a little over our heads which is fine
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but uh I have on my IOD or whatever old thing I have I have Burning Down The House I have wild wild life which is a
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real toe Tapper and it's fun to talk to a guy like this he's just uh very bright the
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dude is a genius he wears those he wore that big coat in that I think uh same as
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it ever was video and I wore a big coat and father of the year which is a huge hit on Netflix I'm not even saying that sarcastically it was a hit look check it
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out why does no one believe me it was anyway so we have that in common someone told me the other day we have being a Leo in common and then they pitched me a show at
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breakfast and I'm like he goes listen I'm a good guy listen we're both Leos so I'm like that's your wispy connection to me first of all I'm not a Leo so the our
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wispy wispy connection is over you're back to a total stranger all right anyway here's David burn and we hope I
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you like you like it a [Music] juice when David burn comes on the zoom Dana that's the guy here's this I'm on the zoom wait a minute I'm I'm
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nearsighted hey David oh my God I'm on the zoom how are you doing oh we're doing incredible now that now that you're here nice to meet virtually yes
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this is uh is this your first Zoom today or no it's my second one today really did you did you have one with Lauren Michaels earlier you find David and
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Dana um well we'll try to make this interesting here's my first question David this just to kind of be a little
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py has anyone ever used your last name against you in an argument you burned me burn no I don't think so but uh yeah there's been some probably plenty of Articles uh that
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make puns you make puns like that you know Burning Down The House but with like with my name all right things like
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that yeah yeah I was called Dana car keys in grade school and it drove me nuts why car keys carv car keys it
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didn't it didn't even make sense but it brutalized me I'm still wounded it's basic bullying David uh my name is David
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Spade nice to meet you I uh I I uh first of all I'm a little nervous because David has such a uh vast career and it's
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almost too much and we it's almost like an interv it's almost too much I I got exhausted doing too much too much you it
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well or not enough but you've done so much it's really kind of amazing I just I want to ask you things you haven't
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been asked for but what I observed when I was watching you in some of these videos is uh the way you move so I think
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of you as a dancer first and then singer songwriter filmmaker and pretty much everything artistic so did was that conscious because it's kind of Polynesian to me it's sort of slow but
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it's very graceful interesting and it's graceful and it's inside the loop you never are frenetic it's very interesting
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to watch anyway am I the first person to ask you that maybe the 20th I have been asking like where does your dancing come
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from I I uh I made a conscious looks like you're falling uh I made I you're constantly
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tripping that's what it looks like there it is yeah I uh pretty on early on I I I thought to
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myself I don't want to dance like move like other kind of rock r jger or James Brown yeah so I thought oh yeah I mean that's where that's where the bar was set kind of yeah those people and and
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many others and I just thought well there's no way I'm going to do that uh and besides they've kind of cornered
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that that they do that and they do it really well so I have to find something that works for me so I I for a long time
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I didn't do anything uh and then gradually little by little I started kind of figuring out moves and things
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that kind of felt like they were coming from me and that they emerged from the music and uh they didn't feel like they
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seemed like anything else that I'd seen out there uh they seemed a little bit odd sometimes but uh they were car it's charismatic because there's no overt
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effort and it just seems to work I was watching the Jimmy Fallon thing from your show that's what humans do do and
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your a little choreography with everyone and how you'd go up and do the the chorus and you come back and you're a Barefoot I don't know it's just it's
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very charismatic because it's ultimately asking us to go at you you're not coming at us with a lot of energy it's all just
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so relaxed and you could do it till you're 90 all pretty much I'm hoping and then uh yeah I I tend to go for things that uh don't look like I've had a lot
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of Dance Training which I haven't had uh so they're the kind of thing that I'm I
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hope that other people see it and go oh I could do that uh I could be a dancer if this guy can do it I can do it yeah yeah okay I'm gonna write that down no moving to the music it's very
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charismatic so anyway uh David do you have a question not you David burn but you you can ask us questions though of
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course I yes I was a little nervous because he is uh he's very smart and uh I'm very smart and Dana might feel weird on this podcast I feel like a third wheel I've got two giant brains in front
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of me but I've seen interviews with you and you seem like very light on your feet and that was my first kind of thing
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because I grew up my brother is smarter than me and he's a he's very artistic uh he eventually got into
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design he started that Kate Spade handbag company with his wife and uh he was so you were his favorite band and so
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I'd hear it and I I didn't quite grasp the coolness of it uh I just always thought it was kind of surfacy very I like the song and then the older you get and you start
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to get in the words and what you're doing there's so much going on there that it's it's it makes it even more
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layers and layers and layers and so that was fun and then I when I when I saw that you were kind of fun and lighting
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your feet that was nice to see because sometimes you don't know what personality is behind all that when
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you're so smart like that and it's it's great that it made it less nervous to talk to you me good yeah I'm glad it
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comes across that way yeah I wouldn't want it to be like oh he thinks he's so smart and
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uh yeah all that because I'm really smart and I'm a little prickly to deal with inred but anyway oh okay I keep throwing that in there but no one even agrees I I think you come off anti-
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pretense there's no sense of like look what I'm doing you know at all it it just seals and I think for an artist
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first time I'm going to use the word playful yeah you know and and childlike in some ways and and loose uh so I don't
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know it's very interesting to watch thank you yeah yeah I I really enjoy it and I hope the your audiences can sense
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that I'm enjoying myself and having fun and sometimes having a laugh with it well do you you know Dana you know that he's he's got an Academy Award a Grammy a Tony and a Golden Glove so he's got an
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egog but a lot going for the OT he's going wait no no so yeah go oh yeah there's no e yeah there's no e so not quite you've got a Goot no you don't
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have the e okay you need a you really need a vow you need something to keep this going um but uh Golden Globe is
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good so what Emmy is Emmy on The Future Is this Burning uh is this killing you that you're not don't have an Emmy it's
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killing me that I don't have that's all I think about now I'm in TV and I don't have one and you you might graze by it
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and win one and I'm over here struggling every day in the salt mines well no I I
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I yeah honestly no I don't think about I don't think about it but it's yeah yeah I don't you got enough stuff I have a
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serent Live question because this is sort of the idea how we tricked you into this but uh we don't have to talk about
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only serent live um when you go on I always wonder with the music guests and I never asked when I was there do they
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tell you what songs to pick or do you say I want to do these and what order because you get two
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songs uh I remember early on early on I I seem to recall being very pushy about it and saying you oh they were I was very pushy I feel
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remember myself being very pushy and going I want to do this I want to do this and I uh I think at one point I
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don't know if it was on Saturday Night Live or Letterman or some some show where I said I want you to shoot it in
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black and white oh bold yeah it was really I was really pushy you know say I you know I want something that looks a little bit different etc etc and uh
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it they uh yeah so it was a but I go back and forth the record company where they say we'd like this one sort of out there to help this album or whatever
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back then yeah I kind of learned you know you learn after a while you go you got to give them the the single or the
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song that's being promoted and then for the second one you can put in you know you can be a little more artistic and
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show them kind of the breadth of kind of the range of what you're you're doing again yeah of course that's what I kind of remember is that the first one I usually knew I remember when Pearl Jam was on and I that was sort of my era
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when I was there and uh when but I was never one to get music right away like I told you with my brother so I liked
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Pearl Jam by the time they came back and I liked Nirvana by the time they came back and so I go are you going to do a a
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live and they go we did it last time I go you did so by that time I loved it so then I started to pay attention but I'm always about a year back like Europe um so well I I was introduced by Lauren
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Michaels because I was staying at his house in 198 six before I was on SNL but I was cast on SNL and I stayed for a
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month and the Talking Heads played I I'm I don't want to exaggerate I'd say 12 hours a day throughout the house wow you may find yourself you may find yourself and I fell in love with it I was aware
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of you guys and I knew that it was new you know it was a a new uh like your singing phrasing was like popped out to me like Sinatra or something you know
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it's what did when did you first get that was is that always there when you started your first band that you know I
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don't know how you describe your vocalization but it's very you there's no one else does it quite like that it
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was a little more yelpy at first uh oh I I didn't want to say that I yeah it was a little more yelpy at first and then
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gradually I kind of listening to other singers on records and things I thought oh you know I can I can actually sing a
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Melody if I have to and I can do that and that might be a way to get some things over that uh I thought the same
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thing but didn't work out yes I might be able to do that uh I remember last time
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we were on Saturday Night Live which is probably 2020 with John M right just before the pandemic like weeks before
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um after we did the rehearsal uh I got invited or should I say called into the meeting with Lauren that the entire cast goes into
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and I thought oh this didn't happen before yeah what what what's going to happen
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and uh he gave me some notes he you know single notes sing me out and gave me some notes what do you remember them wow I think
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hea yeah it was something no it was not about the moves it was something about my vocal delivery he felt it was a
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little too aggressive or something or other there was some comment about adjusting my vocal delivery okay
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and uh I wasn't sure EX exactly what he meant but I thought okay okay I I'll just keep that in mind whatever whatever
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he means I'll keep it in mind yeah God I can safely say I've never heard of that I've never heard of Lauren giving notes
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of Music except you know sheno Conor telling her not to rip up the picture of the Pope but it was a little
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late yeah he goes you know that that's the stuff for rehearsal he handed her some Scotch tape and it goes back together just as easily it was ripped maybe no one will notice but probably La
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would give notes in you know one word you know basically like we're about to start a sketch and he would just say uh it has to breathe just like that you
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know probably with you it would be like if you could bring it down a notch and let it come to you or something like
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that usually there's some wisdom in it but I you know I I I wouldn't give you notes I wouldn't have the guts to say
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David you know when it comes to singing I but Lauren I like that I like that you
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say black and white cuz you're like sort of a pre Kanye where you're you know these artistic Minds come on there and
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it feels like it's a certain stamp I know the look of where the music is I know the coloring of the lighting every
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week I know what it's going to look like and it does take someone to walk in and say what if we shoot it a little
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differently or what if we shot it over there or what if we shot it outside or what if we made it black and white I like that because no one does that they
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just come in they do it and leave like you're supposed to and uh I love that you're throwing things out though it was
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I didn't want it to have like the standard rock and roll lighting with the colored lights flashing and all that kind of stuff I thought how can i e how
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can I easily avoid that and so that was probably the idea there but by the time we went in in like 2020 or whenever uh
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there was much more there was much more uh kind of a collaboration with the director and the lighting people and all
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everybody was super accommodating like okay we we've seen what you're doing so we we'll try and do that right when I was there it was only Dana do you agree it was only for blocking like they would
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come in on probably Thursday before we would rehearse we didn't even get to rehearse until Thursday night the
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sketches that's how late in the game if people don't know that so music comes in and they get like an hour or two but
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they do their songs it's really cameras going to get here they they just want to see the song just for cameras but it was always the same lighting pretty much I
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think later in the years they started to play with a little bit but I don't think think there was a lot of thought I do like when they they they play with it
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and guys like you are great because you know that's what you want you want different you want it memorable is it
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kind of interesting you David like uh David burn just I never think you're talking
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to me don't worry go just that when you have a long career and then it becomes long and then you come back and you look
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great you're at the top of your game and do people like in my little teeny World I'll go to a little comedy club and I
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feel like I'm a museum piece like he's still here I still recognize and he and he's doing the church lady so there's there is just people must respond you in
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a different way I or just in a warm way or there's something it's like Laur there's something about seeing you again
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and you and you look great you move great the songs are great your voice is still there perfect so voice is strong
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uh you can comment on that or not I'm talking too much go ahead uh yeah there's always there's always a portion of the audience they're kind of the
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kind of the the kind of the original fans that are kind of my age or just just a little bit younger maybe uh who have a kind of Legacy sense
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of all that their Journey yeah yeah yeah that's part of their Journey too and that's kind of nice they uh I think they expect to see something different
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uh from me which is a nice kind of opportunity for me and of course the younger audience that comes uh often has
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no idea what to expect yeah I think they expect that they just picture one of their songs and
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they're going to do it exactly that's the way I picture concerts and when you come out at least you come with that
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baggage of which is baggage sounds negative but they know that you are out of the box and so anything's really
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possible when you're out there so not to expect really anything yeah yeah as long as you you
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you don't uh you don't antagonize them or give them things or do things that are just like oh I'm going to piss off the Audience by indulging myself in uh you know a half
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hour of just talking to you or drum solo yeah yeah the drum solo whatever yeah I
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have a question about oh go ahead Dan well I I was just like you've managed to just always surprise and so you know I
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just want one lane of show business is money and how to do that and you've keep Reinventing yourself all around a certain General theme but it is always new and so how did you did you ever get
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a offer to sell out yeah like in the 80s a commercial and just for millions of dollar or something like that or how have you managed to stay an artist again all the way through stay totally cool
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and manage the business side of it all sell out you mean like do uh a lemonade commercial or oh yeah lemonade
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commercials and things like yeah there've been there've been a few offers for uh I've done commercials I'll be
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honest and things like that and um I'm of a generation where you kind that musicians kind of avoided that if they could yes um I and I realize it now it's
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actually encouraged it's like sure if that's what you do to get your music to a larger audience then you should do it
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yeah oh my God it's like first of all just in full disclosure I've never said no to anything now also um a lot of
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these musicians it used to be but Eddie V you know you remember that you know I won't even do Ticket Master I won't do
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this all these things that made sense at the time which was actually hard to run a concert I'm sure back then when you're
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saying I can't sell out if I do this corporate this corporate but corporations own the arena they it's
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just hard to avoid I'm sure so uh and you can comment on that if you want but it is yeah I'm I wow H I was really impressed to Eddie veter and that they
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kind of decided we want to do this tour without Ticket Master and whatever because our fans are tired of pay paying
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all these extra costs that get added on and all the scalping stuff that goes on with the com and these ticket sales things are complicit in this with the
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scalpers you know they were trying they were trying to kind of do the right thing but it is yeah it's a really hard thing for
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them to do and I admire them for giving it a try yes I did too I thought wow that's I didn't and then you look and you go oh Ticket Master is is kind of racking everyone you know if you get
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break it down and then when you hear they're sort of in bed with the scalpers and stub up or whatever I don't know for
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sure but you know how it is and you go so they buy some they sell them right back and they give them the first third
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of the ticket it's just so weird because you go yeah every time I turn around one minute later they're marked up to 800
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bucks you go normal fans don't have a chance and and the artist wants the normal fans to be able to pay the real ticket price that's bad enough really
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and then just get in there and have a good time and they feel like they're part of it being the bad guy when
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they're not but that's what it looks like yeah and now there's the whole thing of I guess what they call Dynamic
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pricing where that doesn't sound that doesn't sound good know no yeah yeah it's uh they've done it on Broadway for a long time but now they're kind of moving it into concerts
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where you know with a big artist like there was a big brewhaha about Bruce Springsteen tickets because if there's a
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high demand for kind of the Prime seats for a show like that they'll Jack the prices up for those now they might still
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keep some cheap seats in the back but the ones up front will just go they'll kind of trying to beat the scalpers in a way but that means that uh 1200 they
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yeah the prices start going up into the scalper range where it's you know over $1,000 wow and yeah the fans are just
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going that's not what was originally listed I know that's not really the plan like I don't really get that because they're going to make the scalper money up front instead of the scalpers M
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they're saying that yes at least if we do that the money goes to the artist but it's still pretty tough it's still pretty tough on the
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fans do you uh something that's a little maybe a little more unusual in my world do you both go into clubs like you said go into comedy clubs and different places and could try out
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new material that way and kind of make a surprise appearance somewhere and I go okay I got I got to try some stuff out
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and the only way I know what works is to do it live David does it a lot yeah 100% yeah I have to I have to because I'm I'm kind of on a tour right
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now and uh when you're people are paying and it's a big theater uh you have to try but I've always done that because it's always the only way to even keep going so luckily in La there's the
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Improv in The Comedy Store and the Laugh Factory so you can go in you can go in anytime I mean they're nice enough to say just come in whenever you drive by
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you can go up and do whatever you want and so you try it and there's a lot of great comedians there uh the only thing
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these days is some Comics are having them put the phones in those zip bags because MH you can't work on a new special if people are Le it on YouTube the next morning or put on their Tik Tok
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or whatever and then all your jokes are out there so it's not like building up for a special someone like Eddie Murphy
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I would see having a real problem coming back to standup because where do you practice where people aren't going to
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film you and leak everything and if it's not that funny because you're really working it they're going to see that and
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say oh he's not that good anymore and you're like well this is how I used to do it in little clubs and then the world
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sees it but like a band I don't know I don't know there's there that's the only way to do it well for me and I want to
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ask you a question uh music David uh the I started in small clubs and I didn't know I was I wasn't really a standup I was a sketch player so the small clubs allowed me to go I'm going to be a
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character for two minutes and then as I got on TV and stuff I played bigger rooms and I found it much more of a
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heavy lifting for me unless there were screens so I love the small clubs and with comedy it's always a surprise so ideally you it in a small room so when you go to the big room you don't
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go and it didn't get a laugh but did you when you in the 70s in those low ceiling
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clubs and your first band was just kicking in there's a certain some energy to that but you've played all kinds you
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have a you have a show that you do occasionally only 16 audience members can come in at a time that we'll get to
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that in a second your your fascination with the brain and neuroplasticity and all that but in terms of rooms what
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what's your favorite size room or it's the room you're in I guess Broadway is pretty intimate in its own
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Way Broadway is is you know fairly intimate uh I like th that size room you can still it's big but you can still get a sense of all the people uh I still
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feel like as you probably do you you're I still feel like I'm speaking right to them and they're listening to me and if there's a reaction I can respond to their reaction and sometimes I can you
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know as you might do if you get laugh you're try and say something else that's going to put a laugh on top of the laugh
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and yes yeah that kind of thing but you can't you you can't like make that up at home you can't like write that you have
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to see how the audience reacts that's the best place to be is in the moment kind of like with us right now life is really about that listening and being in the moment certainly performing never
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trying to force it don't anticipate it all I think before I go out on stage I the last word I say to myself is have
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fun because if I forget to have fun it can unravel pretty quickly if if people are drunk or it's a shitty audience or I blew a joke but always have fun that's that helps me a lot what do you say
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right before your show David David what do I say ladies and gentlemen American Utopia David burn do you do you have any ritual or prayer or just like take a
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deep breath and or you just walk out and uh usually the band and I are are kind of Backstage MH and we're all on like our mics and everything like that so we
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can all talk to one another but yeah but uh nobody else can hear us and so there's a lot of joking around like okay who's out there tonight right just people take a peek and go oh there's
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yeah there's there's a really strange looking person in the front row or there's a kid there's a kid in the front
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row who's sleeping yeah to lighten it up yeah sure yeah yeah that's you know uh I do the same thing I I peek out in the front and
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try to go is there anyone I want to mention or say anything cuz when you're live you can sort of I do one crowd work
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I go out the audience and I go I go what are you guys having uh nachos and they go yep and I go oh is an anniversary or something and then I just I go that's my crowd work folks I get one laugh and
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then I move on the worst crowd work ever you know yeah because I go I did it looks like they they really like it in standup and pro probably in music when you're doing something that they think
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is not the hand stamp show so if you're in a crowd You' obviously in music you just mention the city they get excited you know what I mean even though you're reading it off the back of a mic stand
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but if you just say you know I saw the Eagles and they were like on a dark Arizona highway and everyone goes whoa
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anything that's where we live anything cool Scottsdale wind in my hair and everyone's like my friend lives in Scottdale and they go warm smell of ASU stadium and everyone's like all right
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just sing the [ __ ] song dude well I I always tell them what what's the Rival the Rival town so if you're playing
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Fresno and I go oh yeah that's a good one they go we hate Modesto then I go out and I just say Modesto sucks and
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I've got him it's the easiest thing in the world or you go that joke was funny this guy from Modesto doesn't get it and it's a running running gag David can use
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any of these any of them okay okay just take them with you it's so funny oh I have a question about your uh one of my favorite songs uh Wildlife uh the video
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isn't the video have a ton of cameos in it uh yeah it's people it's meant to be like a a karoke night or something like that where yeah where people are jumping up and singing line it's kind of taken
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off on that and people the audience members are kind of dressing up like their favorite singers or whatever yeah
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yeah yeah yeah it's a great one and uh that one was Bushi in it or am I crazy no it was not Bashi it was a local guy in Dallas that looked like Bashi oh for real yeah oh my God I was
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about to say who is in that thing because that was such a fun video and uh such a great song I still crank it on my
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iPod is iPod or something iPod think that's what I have on my phone yeah uh it's on my phone but whatever uh believe
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me and I'm these I'm one of these guys that I get those apple songs and they're 99 Cents or whatever and so instead of joining something I just go well I
00:29:37
already have this I don't want to learn anything new and I realize I have 20,000 songs so I've spent
00:29:43
$20,000 it's it's the dumbest thing I could ever do but I just keep doing it one by one and they're just adding up
00:29:49
I'm like I think this isn't smart but uh love that uh take me to the river has a
00:29:55
great beginning I'm just I'm I'm going going through your songs now which is I know you get bored by that but it's uh
00:30:01
it's great because I'm asking so it's something different uh take me to the river Dana you know that one is such a
00:30:07
killer beginning brilliant and uh the only thing you need in the middle when you go drop me in the water you could have me up there and I'll go oh that's
00:30:14
his best sound effect so if I'm ever there jump up we could have added that it's everyone can't do it and the uh as as we've said before the MTV generation
00:30:26
growing up with me the V was for the videos and it was for the music and U it wasn't uh 24 hours of
00:30:33
ridiculousness which is a show which is actually really good but they used to have more than one show on their end
00:30:39
music videos No One Believes Me but uh that was a really fun time when you probably got a new song it's probably kind of fun where they go the next step literally is what's your video is that
00:30:51
kind of how it was yeah uh I really enjoyed making videos back then uh you could you had a song you thought okay this might be the single and you could go out and do a video kind of Cheaper
00:31:06
cheaply kind of more cheaply than you can do today actually and you know they'd run it they were desperate for
00:31:13
material oh yeah and then you were getting all their material for free from the record company so uh if you could give them a video
00:31:20
they'd start running it within a week which was just kind of amazing for us it's great um well yeah you have a blank
00:31:28
slate and you're kind of an artist you are an artist so that must be fun you've got the song which you already wrote you
00:31:33
made that that was one breakthrough and now a song is working and then you go oh now I get one more crack at it what is
00:31:41
it the scary thing is what's everyone going to remember forever because you sort of at my age I would just picture
00:31:48
the video when I hear the song exactly so you had to become a little bit careful because you know that's what's
00:31:53
going to be burned into people's minds uh yes sure yeah we discovered that there were songs
00:32:00
that in those days songs that broke because of the video um oh yeah yeah the radio maybe wasn't really playing it that much and then the video would people just they'd play it over and over
00:32:12
again and then the radio would kind of be forced to play it yeah for sure oh it took on a new
00:32:20
life and it did seem obviously going back a little bit your art school Roots like John lennin uh seemed like it was a natural fit for you it everything had an
00:32:30
artistic bent and for a second just American Utopia the album in the show it would appear to me that would be as satisfying as anything you've done uh this this recent Broadway run because
00:32:42
the way you reinvented Broadway I you can speak to that I me you reinvented it with that stage show by everyone being
00:32:49
mobile that's that's pretty brilliant I mean go you talk to that to me that yeah
00:32:55
starting way back with music videos but being able to kind of do a stage show like that it was kind of bringing
00:33:00
together everything that got me excited whether it was you know the staging or the choreography or the lighting and all
00:33:06
those things I kind of bring it all together in one package and the trick with the trick with Broadway I think was uh getting the sound to be like not
00:33:18
Broadway sound um the sound on the sound mix on Broadway musicals tends to be of
00:33:26
a certain type we thought no we want this to sound like we want this to sound like a real concert uh we need people to
00:33:33
understand the words and all that which is you can't always do at a music concert but we need to do that but yeah
00:33:41
that was that was a little bit of an uphill battle but it worked uh it really inspiring for the the the percussion section so you knew you wanted the drummers to move so you needed rather
00:33:52
than the drummer behind the kit so you had multiple drummers almost like a marching band moving about in
00:33:58
choreography it's just uh H how were you did you do every show David were you starring on every show I had I I'd assume that who could substitute for you
00:34:09
but not going if he's how did you pace yourself with that I mean it it's something yeah is that a beating I mean
00:34:15
I do 60 Minutes of standup and I lay down in a hammock afterwards and people fan me I was packed in ice earlier today
00:34:22
I was packed in in my tub at the Holiday on a regular basis but uh but obviously you were having so much fun that that keeps fatigue at B you were enjoying it uh yeah I was enjoying
00:34:35
it I paced myself yes yeah um I I ran into Hugh Jackman had a dinner once so I so before I did the show on Broadway
00:34:49
yeah I I reached out to him and said um I'm not used to doing you know shows whatever six or seven days a week or whatever it might be do you think I can do this and do you have any advice for
00:35:02
me cuz he's the only person I could think of who had done like a oneman show singing the whole show yeah on
00:35:09
Broadway yeah yeah and so I uh asked him do you think I can do this and he said yeah you could do you know how's your voice yeah my voice is fine he said you
00:35:21
know uh he said don't go to parties after don't go don't visit your don't hang out with your friends in a bar after because you will end up talking
00:35:33
louder in a bar than you are singing on stage and that will wear that's like doing a whole another show smart so he
00:35:40
said don't do that meet him for lunch the next day um then he said if you got two shows uh don't take a nap in between
00:35:48
the two shows because that's your first inclination is pH got through that now I need to like rest up for the next one he
00:35:54
said no no no no because then you're whatever your energy and stuff will just drop down to zero and you got to build
00:36:01
it all back up again for the next show he said you just got to you know push through it and and and then
00:36:08
you'll be ready for the next one could I possibly after the uh this get the Hugh
00:36:13
Jackman's yeah information because he seems to really be good about advising my life Co just whatever Hugh jack.com
00:36:21
but um he also sounds boring after the show lay down in a hyperbolic chamber and till the next show I'm like well how can I go out and get my Kudos I need some high fives I I would have told you
00:36:33
pack yourself in ice before the first show get repacked in between shows and pack soed how did you um how did you come down then to go to sleep or uh do
00:36:47
you have a scotch on the rocks do you meditate yeah yeah I'd have a couple glass I'd go home have a couple of
00:36:53
glasses of wine and watch like some TV show I call it brain candy right just something that brain candy nothing nothing too heavy yeah nothing too emotional that would kind of make make
00:37:04
me dream weird dreams St stuff like that just a Saw movie franchise I usually watch that to do off if you want to put on uh movies called Clean Slate or
00:37:14
opportunity KN that I was I guarantee you David you are out within five minutes you're like what the [ __ ] give me a little sh that may you may want to
00:37:25
have a third glass of WI be careful about that when you see an Abomination you know it starts to [Laughter]
00:37:36
tip there's two things I'm really interested one is your fascination with the brain um and I was going to I was
00:37:43
curious what your thoughts are with the the studies about psilocybin or kabine in terms of helping with addiction and helping the brain because you've done a lot of stuff around the brain you have
00:37:54
that that show where you come out with the brain you talk about the brain um oh yeah and so where are you at with that
00:38:01
now what's your thought with the brain what are you doing with the brain I haven't tried any of those therapies I
00:38:06
watched the uh Michael pollen uh show about siloc and stuff like that oh you haven't done them I haven't done them but I kind of watched the show it was it was all about that
00:38:19
treating those things as therapy and all that stuff LSD and everything were used
00:38:25
pretty successfully it seems for therapy until it was uh you know made illegal yeah and then then it was just like silence no more research you couldn't touch it yeah uh everything any
00:38:38
kind of beneficial stuff that it did was all denied and shoved aside it was all this government propaganda about how you would have U babies that would look like
00:38:49
fish or whatever yeah and uh but now that's kind of people are kind of getting back into it and kind of treating it seriously as a therapeutic thing and it's I I sort of thought okay
00:39:02
probably have to monitor it really carefully see how people respond but for some things yeah like post-traumatic
00:39:08
stress things like that it seems like it does help people I I was told this I'm sorry to interrupt but I want to hear your response to this is just that uh non psychoactive psilocybin
00:39:21
drops uh over time daily create bigger neurop pathways and the metaphor was told to me is that if you're if you're stuck on a cycle of
00:39:32
thinking that's neged negative or whatever it's a it's like a little river going down a or a little stream going
00:39:38
down a giant Canyon when you do these psilocybon drops over a period of time your thoughts start to emancipate and
00:39:45
you're seeing a gush of water a big giant whoo of water going down and it freeze open that negative pattern so anyway thoughts either of you guys
00:39:56
definitely see that that could be the case that yeah we we do get stuck in in our ways of thinking if somebody's had a
00:40:02
traumatic experience they just kind of play that movie over and over again and they need to kind of find a way out of
00:40:07
it and people are non-trusting the uh pharmaceutical companies more and more so they're trying uh you know Eastern
00:40:15
medicine there's different things that everyone wants to try just to say what if there's something from the earth what if there's something that I just haven't
00:40:22
tried that they don't they don't seem to want me to try but it might be great for me and I know a lot of people doing
00:40:28
Special K now and micro doing and I really didn't know it was for real treatment other than just recreational but they are Special K is ketamine right ketamine yeah special and uh but you
00:40:40
hear it's a horse tranquilizer so you go well I mean I can't even do Z equil I can't even do a full teaspoon so I go I don't think I need that because I a
00:40:51
horse is bigger than me uh the last horse I saw ketamine is supposed to like you go on a pretty heavy trip and I
00:40:58
guess if it works for your brain what I'm told is that it um you're able to Get outside yourself and you're able to
00:41:05
laugh at yourself and you have these Revelations that last even though you have a bit of nausea for a couple days
00:41:10
and for three months you're just freed from that locked negative thinking so what do you David David burn if you have the blues you're feeling kind of down do you go on a bike ride because you're a
00:41:20
big bike guy you're always on yeah I'll do that I'll do that uh I don't you know I don't get the
00:41:27
blues I don't get depressed that often and we all do sometimes but but in general I'm pretty upbeat and if if I'm going through a difficult period I'll just kind of go okay just keep going
00:41:41
just keep going yeah yeah that that thing you did is look yeah that thing you did failed or it looks like it's not
00:41:47
going to happen or yeah could you possibly work that into a song like I don't ever get the blue you know it's a blues song about a guy I don't never get the Blu you might find yourself not
00:42:01
getting the blues find sorry I had to do that same as it ever was oh no I don't think nobody want I don't think people want to hear that they want to hear like oh yeah I'm a super happy guy yeah uh
00:42:15
you know Blues does better my my life is great and it's kind of like well [ __ ] you my latest selft talk D David both
00:42:22
Davids is uh I just say big life big life big life if if you try a career if you have children if you have marriages if you travel if you buy things if you make money you can lose money so big
00:42:35
life up and down so you just accept it when problems come this is big life big problems and you know that's your own selft talk right to yourself yes and
00:42:45
that that helps yeah um could I I'm interested in this because you seem so future all the time ask about that art stuff well the the the robots have
00:42:57
arrived they're here they're studying us they're they're manipulating us they're making everybody angry and they're doing
00:43:03
all kinds of things and now they're in art they're writing the hook they're all over music you don't have to write the
00:43:09
music you don't have to sing the music you point to guys with AIS on computers and then you they put it together in a
00:43:15
lab and now in art in visual art recently in AI drew a painting they put in all this information and it won first prize at this art show and the real artist were really angry so it just
00:43:28
seems to me that since you're always future future are you going to incorporate with AI or what are your
00:43:33
thoughts about that integrating with art oh sorry sorry oh yeah it's his favorite
00:43:40
things meeting together okay uh no I to be honest no I haven't thought about doing that um and i' yeah I remember
00:43:48
reading about that seeing the picture and thought picture's kind of nice picture's kind of nice uh yeah it's not not
00:43:55
exactly what I would do you know but okay that's nothing wrong with that um I blame the guy buying it because because I blame the person
00:44:07
would buy that art or pay a lot of money for it because you don't want to make a market for that it is there is something
00:44:14
about what art is about coming from someone is that the picture Dana well just one I did recently could have robot
00:44:20
make that no that's good yes see I I sort of doubt it it's called No but a four could someone was really bugging me that's the person on top in the bubble and I was on the bottom and they
00:44:32
were Dana is got good art that's real I like no it's just heartfelt it's a cliche I'm not the artist but I do do it
00:44:39
for my own processing of thoughts so but I doubt that a machine would do that yeah that's the greatest thing anyone's ever said to do you David burn said a machine could not do my no I
00:44:52
I understand what you're saying and I I agree with you I don't like it I I still think the human soul or the human brain
00:44:59
can create stuff and I think well I was reading your exit essay after American Utopia and about you find out later and it doesn't sound pretentious but you find out later kind of what you were
00:45:12
writing about commonly in your writing and and in your art that you're kind of doing it spontaneously from some place
00:45:19
and it maybe not literal and then a year later or whatever you kind of figure out what it was and I was interested the
00:45:25
very end you said American Utopia it's not ironic yes so which is kind of a surprise coming from me because some of my Mater some of my material is ironic
00:45:38
yes but but in this case I thought no no no no I want to really hold out some kind of either
00:45:46
visually or in the songs and in the way we present it the whole attitude what I say I want to hold out some kind of hope
00:45:53
that uh that all all the things that we wish we could be and what we could be as
00:45:59
a country and all that that they're not all entirely Out Of Reach uh that we have we do have possibility well for me I I I just read history and then I feel
00:46:10
better you know right when the when the pandemic hit you know I read a book The Splendid in the vial it was a brilliant book but it was a new one about Churchill and the Blitz in in London and
00:46:23
you know it just helped calm me down or read about the plague or the Middle Ages and it gives you perspective I've seen
00:46:29
people on an iPhone with a latte going is this is the worst time to be alive you know and they they there was no medicine until like maybe 50 years ago you have a heart attack they'd shake
00:46:41
your hand and give you a baby aspir see you later now they can put all this stuff in you so you're kind of on this
00:46:48
this wavelength because you have this uh reason to be cheerful online thing you're on this sort of happy cheerful if
00:46:55
you know if American Utopia means it's possible that's very up message yes reasons Reas be what are the reasons to be cheerful David burn well uh wow we we
00:47:08
report on a lot of stuff uh I haven't done a lot of writing for them recently but there we have a group of writers they look for PE places around the world where people have found solutions to
00:47:19
like yeah if some place in Italy where the the sea was getting overfished and they kind of the the Fisher fish communities the fishermen communities they get together and then go okay we're
00:47:31
going to manage this because we know if we overfish this we're all screwed we don't that's our livelihood so we have
00:47:38
to kind of manage it and they kind of figure out a way to do that a way to kind of look out for people who were
00:47:43
kind of uh breaking the rules or whatever and sure enough the fish come back and their their catch increases and
00:47:51
so they end up making more money than they did before um you know happy ending good news is not
00:47:58
reported yeah go ahead yeah nice to hear that stuff yeah we're biased towards bad
00:48:03
news we like to hear bad news and scary stuff it feeds part of our brain right somehow yeah it's part of our brain we
00:48:09
like to be aware of what uh what kind of lions and tigers are looming around the
00:48:16
corner as opposed to the nice stuff so it's a little bit of an uphill battle but it but you know this stuff is happening I'm surprised at how how much of it the writers are finding um you're
00:48:28
right I mean it's probably an old standup bit but there's never a news flash breaking news 200 million people
00:48:34
are relatively happy in North America you know yes it's always going to be death and pain and I call I get I get an on I'll go down the rabbit hole a little bit in the morning and I go to myself I
00:48:45
said I'm being hypnotized into darkness yeah because whatever is bad with a robot stirring it is going to be presented 10 times as bad and and um it
00:48:57
it it is it's it's a trap to to be unhappy your whole life because I know tribal people we don't really talk
00:49:02
politics here but they're in both camps and they're both just so angry and I'm like what good is this doing right now all this Fury but you're right what what
00:49:13
what part of the brain is that feeding is some Primal part of our hypothalamus it seems like it is it's
00:49:19
it's some sort of Primal part that obviously evolved for for something really useful to us to to yeah to be
00:49:27
aware that what's that what's that moving in the jungle what's that moving on fight yeah yeah yeah
00:49:35
uh I'd rather if I run away it might not be anything but if I run away I'm G to be all right but if I stay and wait to find out I might be dead so better to run away better better be to be fearful
00:49:49
and suspicious than to just kind of sit it out and go well let's wait and see what it is and it's a bio evolutionary
00:49:55
it's a darwinian proposition because the people didn't run away didn't live long enough to have kids so we're predisposed
00:50:02
all of us to be a little kind of Jumpy because the ones who weren't are dead exactly yeah and the algorithms uh on
00:50:09
all the stuff kind of feed on that can feed on our propensity yeah Co was a real Boon for them because it was like
00:50:15
the first case got to America and they're like projecting 10 million dead I go well someone just sneezed that's it
00:50:22
one guy tested positive we don't even know what's going on they're like no no right now you better you know make
00:50:27
funeral arrangements I'm like so it's it's like that where they it's like a Hal truth or there's a piece of a Truth
00:50:34
where they can run with it and they run hard with it and they don't run the other way it's always could be worse
00:50:39
might get worse probably worse instead of like hey this we might pull out of this and that's a tough one to live with
00:50:45
every day and that was that was hard especially during Co because nothing else is really happening in your life except bad news on the TV 24 hours day
00:50:52
it's tough yeah you could just dig really deep into that not much else to do yeah when you're uh out you're on tour yes D are the are the audiences back um
00:51:08
you know they they they are and they're they're excited and uh it seems like they want to laugh and they don't really
00:51:15
want it um super PC uh they seem to appreciate that if you're a comedian the ones that come out to the clubs that aren't on Twitter 24 hours a day complaining about it there are some
00:51:28
people that just say just go do it we'll decide if we like it or not but give it to us and if we don't like it we'll Boo
00:51:35
and that's part of the fun or we'll not laugh but as a comedian is sort of an art also and uh you want to say whatever you want and that's usually how it was
00:51:45
working for a long long time and then people are being scared to get canceled and they don't want to say the wrong
00:51:51
thing so we don't want the world to turn into the the eight everyone's telling the
00:51:58
same eight jokes that are approved by America you know exactly and that's what happens you go okay I walked out and
00:52:04
everyone was happy and no people go it wasn't funny but I didn't get mad thank God and you go well you got to sort of
00:52:11
crack some eggs here yeah you gota I don't get mad I never try to get complain to comedians when they're not funny or they do something too far I'm
00:52:17
like I would say they probably won't do that again or they might tweak it but it's not my place to tell them to
00:52:24
complain they get off stage it's stupid to me yeah and I've been to shows where uh somebody's done some stuff where I go oh I crossed a line just crossed a line
00:52:37
right there but uh the rest of the show was really great and I remember I've been to some shows where I had to put my phone in the bag um I I have no problem
00:52:50
with it uh but do you go to comedy shows David or every I love it oh I want to see you in the sitting in the back one day that'd be awesome I'd be nervous I'd bring up this
00:53:04
podcast no I'm there to laugh and have a good time I think to your original idea David bur was that yes it we've run into
00:53:12
a little roadblock now with Ukraine and the economy but there was a period a short period pre postco where the
00:53:19
Roaring 20s had it after the Spanish Flu of Let's Dance and get drunk and just because this could go away so I think there was a gusher of ticket sales initially
00:53:30
to well now now we're in now we we're not having a roaring we're having all this other stuff again right now and Co
00:53:37
who knew as Dr fouchy would say who knew there was so many mutations I didn't know I thought you'd
00:53:44
be dancing in the street but for me personally being someone who does impressions as part of what I do
00:53:50
political comedy is the the hottest oven of all uh of balancing that balancing act because you've got you know there it's Tribal and stuff but you know I try to do Biden and I do Trump but it's a
00:54:03
delicate dance I Mo mostly want to have my true north star to be funny but have you found that in any of your work now you're doing art exhibits at the pace Gallery trees and things which are
00:54:15
awesome on gigantic walls I that are beautiful um so where are you in the political Spectrum can you uh who are you vote no I'm don't go there no but do do you do you bring it into your are are
00:54:29
you careful about anything when you're out there you stay away from things wow uh when I was doing American Utopia
00:54:35
there was yeah I I would do some talking stuff sometimes about issues and things
00:54:40
in between some of the songs and a lot of those were kind of political although I made a point never to endorse a
00:54:50
politician or a particular party right I tried to keep it bipartisan and just talk about issues that's smart like talk
00:54:55
about getting people to vote and can we talk about that can I the challenge was can you figure out a way to talk about that and it's funny yeah that's true if it's funny then it doesn't come off uh
00:55:07
as a teacher you know yeah or condescending yeah yeah yes can I get some information across but in a way
00:55:13
that's funny um yeah and sometimes that took a little bit of trial and error see
00:55:20
let's see where the where the laughs are and how people react to that yeah so you're kind of a comedian in a way when
00:55:26
you're out there you you do you have a monologue section there's room for that right yeah oh yeah yeah yeah I'm I
00:55:32
wouldn't say I'm a comedian but I'm I'm learning um some of the challenges that that you
00:55:39
all face you know people like a little levity and when when they're out and having fun and they already like you I
00:55:44
mean that's half the battle of being comic so they like you they're there to see you and in between songs I think we
00:55:51
asked McCartney was that like a ner it's a nervous thing to he tries stuff he goes oh I'm going to say something here
00:55:57
and sometimes it turns into just part of the show because if something works he locks it in you know exactly and uh
00:56:04
that's great because the shows are so big it's like hard to mess around with it but yeah there is a little room that
00:56:09
must be fun or one night go uh I'm gonna say this at this part and it's something to think about yeah or something's
00:56:16
happen in the news and you feel like yeah you want to acknowled not pretend like it didn't happen but uh not turn
00:56:24
the the whole show into being about that yeah it is it's a delicate dance so what's um David you I have something and we're we'll let him go I only have like 500 questions but that's for oh no well
00:56:38
I just I just researched you and you kept doing so much stuff can't you can't stop my computer goes all right give me a break the ding bat drawings the tree
00:56:45
drawings the the stuff during the pandemic um it's just it it goes on and on artistically you're just you're go you're ping ponging and all these different areas it seems I'm very lucky
00:56:57
and I'm having a good time I'm I'm lucky that uh that that in a way I people accept
00:57:03
that I can try these different things yeah they don't always work but the people kind of allow me to try that
00:57:10
stuff well you look 30 years old I mean it's like you have drive and if you still have drive that's really the whole
00:57:16
trick you still like it and I'm scared one day when I was when I'm writing jokes and scribbling stuff and going and
00:57:23
if it gets hard I go what if one day I don't want to do this you know I don't have that in me anymore and that's what
00:57:28
you don't want you know you always want to still it's fun to still do that stuff I just don't want that fun to go away so
00:57:34
I think it's nice that you still think of a germ of an idea and go there's really no limits it doesn't have to be
00:57:40
this yeah cuz you you you could be out there now with just bald face talking the talking heads review show and just playing all your hits you could and people would pay a lot of
00:57:51
money for that of course right up front yeah you have gotten offers for that but at the same time I know you're not going
00:57:58
to be happy you're not going to be happy there it's a f that part of the equation too now being
00:58:05
happy oh I hope so yeah yeah no you're right though but a lot of people don't think that way they think ah they get
00:58:11
scared and they move it out of fear I get it I mean of course it would make sense if you went out with those that
00:58:16
again um but there also is you've got other things you want to do and it makes it seems more fun to do that I think you
00:58:23
started you you were yourself from the beginning and you never fell into that trap and uh I think it's done you well
00:58:30
it's probably why you look so young and fresh and uh you know what do you get I mean how big a couch can you buy you
00:58:37
need 20 bicycles I mean there's a level to money where it's we all I love my healthc care and I would wish it on everyone in the world that's my most prized possession but I don't live in a
00:58:49
giant place I have one car one wife um so he lives in a dump d I I just everything you own owns you back and I just it's true it's true I
00:59:01
realized yeah at some point okay I got enough bicycles uh yeah I don't my apartment's big enough I'm fine yeah
00:59:09
well that makes you rich in Reverse you know exactly yeah then also gives me the opportunity to try things that might
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fail yes you don't have to you don't have to make 400,000 net every month I just put out a specific number and to make to cover everybody that's pretty
00:59:27
big yeah that I'd be that'd be crazy if someone had that much no I'm not there no but it you know your expenses can
00:59:34
creep up and then you can become a slave to them but I I do think I I I'm so admiring and a little bit envious that
00:59:40
you keep Reinventing yourself and you never stay stagnant uh with me a lot of the characters I did on SNL audience would like to see them and I push them out there to a point and it is a little
00:59:51
you know and also in comedy you have to feed the beast you can't come back to the the same city the next year you have
00:59:56
to have a new hour um but I I do think your path has been really fun to watch and I've been watching you a lot the last day and a half yeah in my research thank and going this guy's having fun
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he's can't be cooler I know that's not your quest but uh so it's good to be cool though well it just means you're following your true nor start I don't know if you had a lot of therapy early
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on I finally got into therapy at 60 a little bit too late but uh it seems like you you had a sense of yourself and a confidence early on I I tried therapy for a while when I was having some yeah
01:00:31
relationship marriage stuff but uh yeah other than that I think my therapy is yeah let's roll some video from that therapy going for B going for a bicycle ride or yeah whatever I think we've uh
01:00:44
thank you David for uh bearing with us I know this isn't a typical sort of interview thing but uh you're a lot of
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fun to talk it's been it's been really a pleasure David and uh thank you and keep
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it up if you happen to want to bring your Broadway show back I would I would make my way to see
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it I I don't know if you're not the type to repeat but uh that that uh the reviews on that well I'll just say they were off the charts I mean so so I don't
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know if you have plans to bring it back but if don't do it for me is my only message don't Mount I did this for Dana it is on H HBO live streaming right now
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right isn't it yeah right so that's that's available for everybody let's do housekeeping at the very end uh D David
01:01:36
burn he uh he's got albums out he's got he's got art shows he's at the pace Gallery trees and yeah Pace Gallery in
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New York City uh I'm going to be there soon I'm going to check that out um he does neuros society he I can't anything you want to add that no that's good
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that's good fans can consume all right well good luck on on your next uh podcast uh David uh thank you but this
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was I'm gon to go buy some more bicycles bye great to meet you both be well thank
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