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Jud Appattow might live near me soon.
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>> Really? That's a interesting little bit
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of information.
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>> Since we did this episode,
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>> I see Jud probably more than most uh
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people I see out here. And
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>> he still gets in the clubs, right?
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>> The He still does comedy clubs. Yeah. I
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saw him at a dinner thing
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>> and he had me drop Leslie, his lovely
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wife, off their mansion.
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>> He done well. Well, the kid done well.
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>> Yeah. Funny dude. Started with him years
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and years ago in the Valley with Adam
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and uh Schneider before, you know, it
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turned into uh working as a regular in
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the club way before SNL and then he sort
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of it was writing with Jim Carrey. He's
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doing a lot and then he went on to be
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this huge producer, director, and comic.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. And he talks about the that
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in this episode just the way he kind of
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navigated from standup to producer
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director of movies.
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>> Pretty interesting journey.
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>> Fun guy. A lot of fun stories. Here's
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Jud Appattow.
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>> Jud Appattow. The one and only.
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>> We Jud's got so much and so much in
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comedy that it's
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>> perfect. It's right up. Go back to
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>> go back. We just started
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>> and the lead and lead into this because
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uh confidence. Okay. This why I think of
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you. I think of here how I think of
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dysfunctional comedians. Yes. Wounded,
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upset, dramatic, dysfunctional, make the
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wrong decisions or as Leonardo would
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say, never stop. They do stop. They
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whine. They're, you know, when I think
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of someone like you or Sandler, it's
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just full speed ahead. I mean, did you
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in those early days? I mean, how did you
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like we remember when I hosted the 15th
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annual comedians show?
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>> Yes. I told you.
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>> I told you the young comedian.
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>> One word, Jud. Direct.
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>> I didn't say that.
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>> You might not have heard of it. It was a
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catering.
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>> Well, that was a big deal because that
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was the show we all wanted to get on. To
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me, that was like getting on the Tonight
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Show, the HBO Young comedian special.
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Everyone broke off of that. You were on
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it. I went to the taping and saw you and
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Schneider do it. And Dennis Miller
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hosted it.
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>> He hosted in the crowd was David Bowie.
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>> And that seemed like the most
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pressurized situation to do a set with
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David Bowie in the corner looking like
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Starman. It was a really exciting night
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in Santa Monica at this little theater
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that is now a bookstore.
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>> And Drake Sther had an incredible set
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that was
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>> on your set. Yeah. Yeah. Mine.
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>> Uh and
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>> Drake was great.
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>> And then I auditioned for it in New York
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at Standup New York. John Stewart was
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also auditioning for it. I brought all
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my friends from high school. John
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Stewart murdered so hard gets the show.
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I go on after him. You couldn't bomb
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worse. No. In front of all of my
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friends.
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>> That's the worst. And it you stack the
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crowd of it.
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>> I stack the crowd and even my friends
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were like, I don't know where to laugh.
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>> Well, how did they feel? Well, how did
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you deal with afterwards in the faces
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that go that was good? Good. Were they
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changed the review midward?
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>> There was nothing. There was no way for
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even them to fake that. That went
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>> How long did that affect you? Like a
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week or
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>> I could wake up in the middle of the
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night right now and be like, "Oh,
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>> well that was a big deal." That was
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There was nothing really going on and it
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was HBO.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And the Tonight Show and I tried to get
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on Young Comedians every year and I kept
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barely missing it. And I was a young
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comedian and they go, "Oh, we gave it to
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Richard Belzer this year." I'm like,
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"Well, isn't he 80?"
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>> Well, didn't we have we had Janine Graph
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on the 15th annual?
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>> Oh, that was yours. Yeah. What was your
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lineup? Ray Romano,
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>> he was the one who stole it. And even
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when we were shooting these like
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interstitial interviews, uh I don't even
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know if they used much of it. We all
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went,
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>> "Oh my god, Ray Romano is going to be a
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star." Like he found himself Yeah.
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>> in that moment. Nick is Regis. I don't
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do I don't I don't He really wanted me
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to. Anyway,
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>> wait. If that's so many that this I know
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we're going to talk about so many
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things. I love the young comedians
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because the lineups are interesting and
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the interstitials were interesting
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because they go HBO said just talk to
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the camera for a minute about whatever
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and that was looking back it really
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showed you had no direction on ours.
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>> Yeah, me too. So what do you remember
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what you even did?
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>> I don't remember. I just remember
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watching Ray do his and he was eating an
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apple while talking and just was already
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a master and I think I I just thought
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>> oh this is another level of how you do
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it
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>> of it and I thought I had a pretty
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mediocre set and I made a very big
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mistake in doing the set which is I had
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never been on HBO. I'd only been on like
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Comic Strip Live and Evening at the
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Improv where you're never allowed to
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curse.
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>> And I said, "I'm going to curse,
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>> right? Why not show?"
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And then if you watch my act, I think I
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just added [ __ ] everywhere
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>> just to be edgy and none of them were
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punchlines and out of work. And then
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when they would air it on Comedy Central
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reruns, they have to bleep all the
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curses. So it it's just a very
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>> I always tell young comedians, save the
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[ __ ] Don't just go, "I went to the
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[ __ ] store. has to be a punch line
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and if you're Jerry Seinfeld you'll
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you'll fight the line for a year to get
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the [ __ ] out.
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>> It's hard to follow a dirty comic also.
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And now John Stewart, last question. Do
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you look at the lineup and are you
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worried about following John Stewart or
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he kind of blindsided you?
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>> Total blindside. I don't think I knew
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>> his act that much back then because that
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was 1992.
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So I I wasn't on the east coast much so
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I didn't know what what was happening
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and I don't remember who else was
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>> was on that night but then I got it the
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next the next year and Kindler was on
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that and Jane Garop and Bill Bellamy.
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>> Bill Bellamy. Yeah.
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>> And that was
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>> like the week we started doing the Ben
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Stiller show. So I had to go to Arizona
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for
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>> and shoot it and then come back and we
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started
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>> you know shooting Ben show.
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>> How did you know Ben at that point? I
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met Ben online at Elvis Castello
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Unplugged.
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>> Okay. For you 92 online
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>> in line at a
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>> online or in line that's a
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>> you were physically in line
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>> Seinfeld bit. Uh
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>> yeah,
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>> I I was in line online and then uh Dana
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Gould was there and he intro he had met
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Ben before and he introduced me to Ben
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and then we were chatting and
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>> he very quickly mentioned that HBO
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wanted him to do a sketch show
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>> and I was like, "Oh, we should get
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together and kick that around." And we
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did like a day or two later and then
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sold it like a week later and everyone
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thought we knew each other for years and
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we literally had just met the week
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before and then HBO sold it to Fox. What
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were your credentials at that point that
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he would say, "Okay, you're good enough
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to do this."
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>> I, you know, I had just like, they were
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like stealth credentials that seemed
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better than they were. So, I would help
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people write their acts and then they
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would throw me a co-producer credit. So,
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I did that for Jim Carrey and Roseanne
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and I did a special which was a funny
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special with Dennis Miller. It was the
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pregame show for Paul Simon live in
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Central Park.
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>> All these funny shows way
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And so he did a half hour where they
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showed clips of Paul Simon before
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concert. And so I wrote, you know, the
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pregame show with him.
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>> When you write with Dennis, basically
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you're transcribing because he's so
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funny and you're just organizing. Sappo
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cat got some lines for me. Well, my
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favorite joke I wrote for him was uh
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we're about to start the show where Paul
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Simon
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>> along with his with 27 along with he
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goes coming up next is Paul Simon and
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the 27 musicians it took to replace art.
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>> That's a great line. That's very
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Dennisy.
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>> Coming up next 27 Paul Simon and the 27
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musicians it took to replace art. Okay.
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But I uh he used to do that too. Same
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with
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>> whispered to his friend, he means scarf
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fun.
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>> See, it's the jaw. Everything. Carson's
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the jaw. That's the jaw. 99% of
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impressions are jawbased.
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>> Jawbased.
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>> Well, Dennis, uh, so I did that with
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Dennis and so that made it appear. So I
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had a bunch of those credits. I did like
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three Tom Arnold's specials that were
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like kind of like reality comedy
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>> and
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>> it gave the appearance that I was a
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producer, but really I wasn't producing.
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Would were you actively in a very
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healthy way unafraid had an inner
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confidence and sort of self-promoting in
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a normal way like I like a sense I can
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do this or were you like Ben so did you
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ever have in where were your
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insecurities?
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>> I was terrified. I
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>> you just fought through them. Huh?
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>> I just Well I mean I've talked about
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this before but it's interesting to talk
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about with David.
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>> This podcast is huge. Believe me, no
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one's heard it before. This is global.
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But you know, David lived down the
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street
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>> when I lived with Sandler.
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>> Rob Schneider lived across the street.
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>> Drake Sad lived close by.
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>> Drake Sader lived close by. I was
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writing jokes for Jim Carrey who lived
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over the hill and that was right as And
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then color was starting. And I
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>> Car was like Apple stock. You got in way
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early on that one.
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>> Exactly. Like the Tesla stock I thought
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I shouldn't buy because he was stood
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carry, you know, just like they don't
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got nothing. And I I definitely had that
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sneaking suspicion. Oh, I'm not as good
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at this
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on seeing guys that are better than you
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and then just surpassing them basically.
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>> Well, I just thought this isn't my move
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in the way that it's their move. I mean,
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when I remember, David, when you came to
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town with your leather jacket, fresh
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from
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>> Arizona Surfer, you were dressed like
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with Sharon Stone in the Police Academy
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movie.
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There's a new guy in town and I wasn't
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even in at the improv. I would go to the
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Valley improv and wait to see if someone
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didn't show up and then I would do that
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spot.
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>> Oh, cover. Oh, yeah.
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>> The manager, Joe Drew, was always cool.
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And you I literally remember the day
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that you came to town and it was like,
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>> oh Jesus Christ. You you could feel
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like, oh, this guy's going to do great
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and he looks great.
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>> He's got attitude. And then then
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Schneider came from San Francisco. God.
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Come on.
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>> He's doing the gym teacher bit.
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>> Yes. Set your clocks back.
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>> Yeah. He's doing that bit and and then
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Sandler was doing Elvis in the
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refrigerator and and and everyone seems
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to be reinventing.
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>> Ridiculous. Oh, yeah. Cuz you're like,
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"This kind of isn't what we saw." When I
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used to look at that improv uh
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chalkboard, it used to be, it would say
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like, "This is dating me, but it would
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be like Leno, Paul Riser, Jeff Alman,
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>> Ellen, maybe." Yeah. Seinfeld. And
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you're like, it was such a like first
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ballot hall of famers. You go Jesus.
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>> And but you didn't really realize it
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then. Just everyone was good, you know.
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>> And then but they all kind of were
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around the same age, same look. So that
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I got in
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>> 60% because I looked, you know, 17 and I
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had I had blind.
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>> You always had kind of confidence or you
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were faking it. I met you. You were like
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21 and I was like, this guy seems like
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he's got it all together. I know. He was
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completely wrong. But then he passed out
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a Jack in the Box from hypoglycemia.
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>> Do you remember when I
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>> Did you ever in high school say Jack off
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in the box? And that was the big joke
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for the guys in the Volkswagen drive.
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>> And you go I could go national with this
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joke. Jack off in the box.
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>> Jack off in the box. Hey, wait a minute.
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It's called Jack in the Box. Hey, that's
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a sexual.
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>> No, Jud. What about
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>> Come on, Jud. What about
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>> when we were you there when I passed out
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at Taco Bell?
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>> Well, I was I didn't see it, but it was
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this thing where like
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>> no one saw it. Suddenly, David has this
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thing where if he doesn't eat, he's
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going to he's going to go unconscious in
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public spaces. And then it happened in
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Saturday Night Live, right? Where they
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had to like wheel you out on a
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stretcher.
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>> That was pretty much every other week at
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17.
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>> We were meeting to play tennis. I think
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Adam I think everyone was supposed to
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play tennis and then I stopped by Del
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Taco. What everyone does before they do
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activities. And then I think it was a
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combo. I was waiting in line. and I
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hadn't eaten and I started to feel and
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and maybe there was a dog tooth in my
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burrito. Something about it was like
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this isn't working. And then I go I
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think I just laid down on the floor in
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Taco Bell. No friends, nothing. No one
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helping me. And I'm like, "Oh, Sandler's
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not even famous. Not yet. That's not
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going to help me." And uh
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>> you knew he was going to be famous.
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>> Now I know he would have sent a chopper.
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>> Well, you were delicate. That's when we
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we found out you were delicate.
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>> You'd hang out with you and your eyes
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get real big. You go, I got to go. I got
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to go. just just got here.
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>> Let's go back to Jud for one second.
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>> I like exploring hypoglycemia in an
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adult. That's page one.
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>> But anyway, so that was, you know, the
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environment as a fan of comedy. Always a
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giant fan of it.
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>> I was smart enough to, you know, to meet
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someone like Nor McDonald and go like,
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>> this is another level of this, but I
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could sit I used to write jokes for
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Roseanne with Norm. like we both got
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hired to write her act together and John
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Rei and me and Norm I remember going to
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Roseanne's house and we would sit there
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with legal pads with Roseanne and
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>> you know she she would say like I want
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to do a bit about how it's it's better
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to suck [ __ ] than to kiss ass because at
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least when you suck [ __ ] it's like a
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it's a deal I'll suck your [ __ ] and then
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you'll give me something. when you kiss
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ass, you're doing it with the hope that
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you'll get something. And she would like
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she'd tell us some like theory she had
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and we would like write it down and try
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to turn it into a
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>> and so Norm was demir in a way and like
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just trying to please
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>> see Norm in that scenario.
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>> Yeah, you got to good feedback going,
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"Yeah, there's something there."
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>> Kiss ass
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[ __ ] How about that joke? You were
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smart because you were like noticing
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early on if you didn't think which you
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did make it as a comedian, but early on
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you go you were like it was Bitcoin
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producer credits.
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>> They were like worth so much you didn't
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know it and then later they just start
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paying off in reruns and
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>> well you guys never wanted to help other
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people.
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>> That's what it was that everyone wanted
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to be everyone wanted to be a star.
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>> Just hit me like it was Planet Dana from
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day one day. Sharp elbows,
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[ __ ] HELLO THAT.
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>> YEAH, but you're never going to write
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like jokes for other people for money. I
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had no money and I was really afraid of
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being broke. So I thought, no one seems
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to want to help anyone. And if people
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were like, "Oh yeah, they'll give you 50
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bucks a joke or a couple hundred bucks
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to sit with them for a few hours." So I
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did that with George Wallace and and
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Taylor Negron,
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>> everybody. Great. You know what that
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you're totally right going back to
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dysfunctional comedians and if they meet
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a guy like you who's smart and funny
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disciplined and is gonna kind of tease
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out the best of them. So David actually
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wrote jokes for me for a short period of
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time. Remember the grumpy old man joke
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he wrote?
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>> Oh no. Go do it.
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>> It was I'm like in my day we didn't have
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latex condoms. Let's see. Uh we would
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take a bare skin and wrap it around our
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PRIVATES AND TIE IT OFF WITH A bungee
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cord and we use the same one over and
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over again. That's the way it was. We
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liked it, but for a very brief time
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before
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>> No, I think it was cuz SNL I was I
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talked to S this morning because you
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were coming on and uh I was saying, "Do
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you remember the sketch I wrote for
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Julia Sweeney?" Cuz we had talked to her
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and we started talking and I I wrote the
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sketch for her and she was surprised
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because I wasn't in it.
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>> And he goes, "Yeah, well, you're a
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[ __ ] writer." And I go, "Oh, that's
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right." Because we are so selfish that
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at the end of the day, my job was to
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write. So was Sandler. So, you're not
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supposed to really write for yourself
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there. And uh so I wrote uh for someone
00:16:03
else and then I guess cuz Dennis would
00:16:05
ask me for update jokes. You if I wrote
00:16:07
for Grumpy Old Man, I thought that was
00:16:09
such a funny hook. If I could throw some
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[ __ ] in,
00:16:11
>> fine. You know, you've got great guys
00:16:13
all around you. Like if I had a rewrite
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table,
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>> it is magic for a comedian who's written
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all their own stuff and knows how hard
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it is and you have your few hits, you
00:16:20
repeat them over and over again, and
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then someone like Bonnie and Terry
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Turner or David or Robert Smiggle hands
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you something. I'm like, cuz I had
00:16:26
written a sketch and I left it early on
00:16:29
in SNL. I left it and Robert said, "Can
00:16:31
I take a look at it?" I'm like, "Okay,
00:16:33
who's this guy writing?" I thought I'd
00:16:35
already got it. And I came in, it was
00:16:36
like gold. I'm like, "Oh my god, it's so
00:16:38
much better." The [ __ ]
00:16:40
>> So, it's really makes sense how
00:16:42
comedians would gravitate toward you.
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>> Well, Sandler, you know, was really
00:16:46
smart. And that's what he did because I
00:16:49
I remember first of all, I remember when
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he went to audition for the show. He
00:16:53
flies to Chicago at the time. His act is
00:16:55
all just like mumbling.
00:16:57
>> So in the world Chamberlain bit
00:16:59
>> and and he was hilarious but still hit
00:17:01
and miss in the clubs.
00:17:02
>> Like we loved it. We would sit in the
00:17:04
back and just love it and but I I
00:17:08
remember going to gigs with him where it
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did not go well. It was not a consistent
00:17:12
situation. We all knew he would make it
00:17:14
big.
00:17:15
>> The last time it did not go well for
00:17:16
Sandler.
00:17:17
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember going
00:17:19
with him to San Diego to the uh San
00:17:21
Diego Improv and telling Dave Becky, who
00:17:24
ran it at the time, oh, you got to let
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Sandler headline like on a Monday and
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Sandler bombed so bad for an hour and
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put his back against the wall and just
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ran it.
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>> Just
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annoyed.
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>> And so when he left to do the audition,
00:17:38
I thought, I mean, what does Adam do? I
00:17:41
mean, he doesn't do characters. I mean,
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what is he going to bring to the show?
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And then he gets it and suddenly like
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he's gone and I'm in this shitty
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apartment living under a stripper in the
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valley and he doesn't bring his clothes,
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his ID. I literally have his ID and his
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driver's license from when he left.
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>> I have no idea. Back then you couldn't
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do it. Like he took nothing with him. I
00:18:01
I literally have a box in
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>> bring dynamite on the plane back then.
00:18:05
>> You can do anything back then. And so so
00:18:07
>> one time
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I forgot what this it was leading into.
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Okay. So Sandra gets there and he's
00:18:13
trying to get on on the show
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>> and his strategy was to write for you.
00:18:17
>> So he would he would write you an
00:18:20
amazing sketch with someone usually
00:18:21
someone like Smile and like in his head.
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So he'd write like whatever I think he
00:18:25
was part of maybe the Pepper sketch.
00:18:28
>> Oh, Pepper Boy
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and Smile probably got on that too.
00:18:32
Yeah.
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>> And the other one was the one where
00:18:35
you're the host who keeps making out
00:18:37
with the people walking in the
00:18:38
restaurant. that
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was. Yeah, that was when I was still on
00:18:42
SNL. The other one was hosting, but
00:18:44
Sandler Schneider went in that house.
00:18:46
>> Elanto was a [ __ ] hit. Was that
00:18:47
Christy Alley was a host
00:18:48
>> or was it uh the other one was like, you
00:18:51
lack of the juice?
00:18:53
>> That was Smiggle and Sandler. But yeah,
00:18:55
Elanor was the one where I had
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Victoria's arm legs up in the air and
00:18:59
Smiggle kind of tried to say, "Don't do
00:19:01
that." And I'm like, that was one of the
00:19:03
biggest that I was just writing a phys
00:19:05
physical gag. Yeah.
00:19:06
>> And S would give himself like one joke
00:19:08
in it, but a good joke.
00:19:10
>> Yeah.
00:19:10
>> And that's how he tried to get himself
00:19:12
exposed, which is to let other people
00:19:14
like you murder, but give himself a key
00:19:16
thing where I think he came out in his
00:19:18
underwear at the end of the
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>> He was rip fit, man. He's like a boxer
00:19:22
as don't you forget about Dimacho, man.
00:19:24
>> Yeah.
00:19:26
I
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>> But I always found him funny and
00:19:29
charming and and he did have a few a few
00:19:31
months of connecting with the audience.
00:19:33
Opera Man, it was so abstract. do that
00:19:37
and I just loved it. The silliness of
00:19:38
it, but when he hooked, they went with
00:19:40
him. Boom.
00:19:41
>> I don't think Franken loved it at Well,
00:19:43
let's get back to you. So, you
00:19:44
>> I remember him telling me about Frank
00:19:45
and not liking it. He would like tell me
00:19:48
that cuz I would always be like, "How's
00:19:49
it going?" Cuz I was, you know, this was
00:19:51
my dream to get invested out. That's
00:19:53
what I was going to ask. So, when Sailor
00:19:54
got in, they're like, "Oh my god,
00:19:56
someone got in.
00:19:57
>> They're going to pull me in at some
00:19:58
point." And we would all be on the phone
00:19:59
with Adam trying to think of uh ideas
00:20:02
for him. and Schneider.
00:20:03
>> I don't remember you calling asking for
00:20:05
anything, but I remember talking to
00:20:07
Schneider.
00:20:07
>> I was crying in my office, passed out,
00:20:10
sensitive, naked man was one of those.
00:20:13
>> He was trying to figure out, you know,
00:20:14
how do you how do you get on the show?
00:20:15
How do I get my personality through? And
00:20:17
I remember he said that one day he
00:20:20
knocked on Lauren's door and Franken's
00:20:24
in there. He says he's in his underwear.
00:20:27
He put a hammer in his butt. Like he was
00:20:29
holding a hammer in his butt. This is Al
00:20:32
Franken.
00:20:32
>> No, this is Sandler.
00:20:34
And then he and then he just like
00:20:36
knocked the door, opened the door and
00:20:37
went like it's hammer time.
00:20:41
>> And then they did not look amused at
00:20:43
all. And then he walked away like he was
00:20:45
just trying to find a way.
00:20:46
>> That's just a ballsy that's very suck.
00:20:49
Who would have
00:20:51
like New York guy and like upper going
00:20:54
to Orso and and Franken and then a guy
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walking with hammer his butt. But it was
00:20:59
the not the changing of the guard, but
00:21:01
it was like a bunch of guys going,
00:21:03
>> "Can we try all this kind of stuff?
00:21:05
>> I was a little different. Adam was
00:21:07
different that way." And so it just was
00:21:09
a new way, I don't know, of thinking.
00:21:12
But you were right along our lines. So
00:21:15
>> I get on with Rob, Sandler gets on. Uh I
00:21:19
don't think you knew Farley and Rock
00:21:20
back then, but So then you are very
00:21:24
close to the show in that respect. And
00:21:25
then you like it too. Uh, do you and you
00:21:28
eventually start writing. You write you
00:21:30
have you've been brought in as a guest
00:21:31
writer.
00:21:32
>> Well, I I would talk to Adam on the
00:21:34
phone all the time. I think in the early
00:21:36
years he was talking to Hurley who
00:21:38
wasn't on the on the show at that point
00:21:40
and we were all just trying to help load
00:21:42
him up. So, I remember
00:21:45
>> I remember like working on the Denise
00:21:48
show sketch.
00:21:49
>> Yeah, that was a big one
00:21:50
>> with him. And I remember the other one I
00:21:52
kicked around with him was the first uh
00:21:56
cheap Halloween costumes. The crazy
00:21:58
spoon head upate
00:22:00
>> on up.
00:22:02
I was like this that was [ __ ] cool.
00:22:04
>> And that was one of the first times he
00:22:05
really went full Adam where
00:22:06
>> Yeah. That was total connected.
00:22:08
>> Yeah.
00:22:09
>> And and then I one day I sent to Adam,
00:22:11
can I give you a sketch and just hand it
00:22:14
in? Don't touch it. I just want to know
00:22:15
if I if I was good enough.
00:22:17
>> Oh, just like don't touch it. Yeah,
00:22:19
right into the readrough file.
00:22:21
>> I don't remember what the sketch was
00:22:23
about at all, but it was a Dennis Quaid
00:22:25
sketch and it was it went on really
00:22:28
early in the show and they did it was it
00:22:30
was like a a dinner table sketch
00:22:33
argument of some sort and it got on like
00:22:35
in a key place and I think did
00:22:37
reasonably well and I thought, "Okay, I
00:22:39
>> I can do this." But then
00:22:42
>> I never could get the job there. Like I
00:22:44
had the packet and I never got hired.
00:22:48
>> Did you ever have a meeting one-on-one
00:22:49
with Lauren?
00:22:50
>> As close as I got was one day Adam
00:22:52
called me and he said,
00:22:54
>> "Hey."
00:22:54
>> He said, "Uh, you know what? I had your
00:22:56
packet and Dave and and Downey after
00:22:58
months was holding your packet and
00:23:01
talking to me and Schneider
00:23:02
>> and he was asking about me and I was
00:23:04
telling him that he should hire you and
00:23:05
Schneider said, "I don't think he's
00:23:07
ready.
00:23:07
>> Shut the [ __ ] up."
00:23:10
>> Seriously?
00:23:10
>> Yeah.
00:23:10
>> He did.
00:23:11
>> Yeah. And so I was like, "What?
00:23:13
>> They shovel riders in there. What do you
00:23:15
mean? It's a try out."
00:23:17
>> But then I was like thinking about it.
00:23:19
And of course at the time it was very
00:23:21
annoying. And then I thought later
00:23:24
almost every good thing that's happened
00:23:26
in my life is the result of those four
00:23:29
words.
00:23:30
>> What?
00:23:31
>> Like just not getting in there was why I
00:23:34
met Stiller and did the Ben Stiller
00:23:36
show. I I could literally blame
00:23:39
everything in my life to Rob Schneider
00:23:41
saying he's not ready. Meeting my wife,
00:23:44
my children, like none of it would
00:23:45
exist.
00:23:46
>> Interesting if I went in at that time.
00:23:54
>> But later on, Roseanne hosted and I was
00:23:57
writing jokes for her. So, I wrote her
00:23:58
monologue and I guess wrote
00:24:00
>> that week, which is mainly the
00:24:02
monologue. And that was really fun.
00:24:03
That's always weird because it's not
00:24:05
weird, but sometimes they bring guests.
00:24:07
I think Martin Lawrence was the first
00:24:08
one to do when I was there and he
00:24:10
brought some guys and I was like, "Oh,
00:24:12
okay. It's it's almost saying you guys
00:24:14
are bad."
00:24:15
>> Yeah.
00:24:15
>> But it's more just like a trust issue
00:24:17
cuz now I would love to have someone
00:24:19
that wrote well for me around just to
00:24:20
just to be cuz you're so alone
00:24:22
>> and to go is this [ __ ] any good? Cuz you
00:24:24
might think it's good and they go why
00:24:26
would you do that? I go well no one's
00:24:27
around to ask. It's literally 85 people
00:24:30
against you and they're on your team but
00:24:32
you don't know and you're scared and
00:24:34
they might be trying to talk you into
00:24:35
something.
00:24:36
>> It's hard to go back when you when you
00:24:37
were lucky enough to have hit characters
00:24:38
and you know and every time it's like in
00:24:40
the '9s when I would guest house host
00:24:43
you'll do Bush you know you know do
00:24:46
Junior and you know and then it was like
00:24:48
you'll do church lady and it's like 2012
00:24:51
I'm getting close to her age at least.
00:24:54
All my characters are old. I'm still
00:24:56
younger than church lady. News flash
00:24:58
kids.
00:24:58
>> You're aging into
00:24:59
>> Hey, Adam Sandler is listening right
00:25:00
now. How you doing, buddy?
00:25:01
>> He is breaking the fourth wall.
00:25:04
>> He didn't repeat characters when he
00:25:06
hosted,
00:25:07
>> which was pretty I think that is sort of
00:25:10
par for the course of
00:25:11
>> an opera man. Maybe what did he do when
00:25:13
he I think that may be the only
00:25:15
infomercial that crushed he did the
00:25:17
Farley song.
00:25:18
>> The Italian uh the the Italian vacation
00:25:21
sketch.
00:25:22
>> Yeah.
00:25:23
>> Uh was maybe the one.
00:25:24
>> I think my daughter loved that to me. I
00:25:26
I [ __ ]
00:25:27
>> well I I I haven't been able to float
00:25:29
this theory out, but since we're on Adam
00:25:30
for a second, 2019, the year of Sandler,
00:25:33
>> I never seen anyone break show business
00:25:35
that hard
00:25:36
>> because first of all, his special was
00:25:38
kind of supernatural because my favorite
00:25:40
word
00:25:41
>> because of shooting so many times and
00:25:43
being so relaxed and so playful.
00:25:45
>> Then he comes out with um
00:25:48
>> Uncut Gems.
00:25:50
>> Yeah, Uncut Gems. Then he host Saturday
00:25:51
Night Live and he destroys. So those
00:25:53
three kind of broke sh
00:25:54
>> and he won like the indie spirit award.
00:25:56
>> He won award
00:25:57
>> and he gave a speech that if anyone out
00:25:59
there wants to Google something that is
00:26:01
as funny as anything can be. Adam giving
00:26:03
a speech to all the you know snobby
00:26:05
independent film people where they cheer
00:26:08
him like he is their favorite person has
00:26:12
always been and then he attacks them in
00:26:15
the most hysterical way. It was a a
00:26:18
perfect speech. It just sort of was full
00:26:20
circle because back in the day I
00:26:21
remember Sandler just casually would say
00:26:23
to me they hate me Carvey you know the
00:26:25
critics thought he was they didn't get
00:26:27
him and now since it's turned it's kind
00:26:29
of interesting to see a arc of a career
00:26:31
I have two parts
00:26:31
>> back to Jud is a
00:26:33
>> that's all you get Adam
00:26:34
>> Jud is a I I had actually heard you you
00:26:36
were offered head writer at one point
00:26:38
but that maybe that's not true
00:26:39
>> I there was some uh sniffing around
00:26:42
>> some grumblings
00:26:43
>> yes
00:26:43
>> maybe it was was it too late in the game
00:26:46
>> you had too much going on
00:26:47
>> it it Well, at the time I was about to
00:26:50
make a movie and I felt bad about
00:26:54
bailing on the movie. That was one
00:26:56
thing. And then I was also probably
00:27:00
nervous about what I could accomplish at
00:27:02
the show.
00:27:03
>> Yeah.
00:27:03
>> You know, what you know, what can you
00:27:05
really do to the show? Uh because it's
00:27:07
so locked in.
00:27:08
>> It's locked into in how it's made. And I
00:27:11
I wasn't sure I had something that I
00:27:13
could bring to it unless I could really
00:27:16
change it and it shouldn't be changed.
00:27:18
But look what's happened since then. I
00:27:20
mean, it's just gone on and just gotten
00:27:21
better and greater and and it and it did
00:27:24
everything it it should do. And so it
00:27:26
just didn't feel like
00:27:27
>> it it informs me right now just because
00:27:29
I was on it and it's still on in this
00:27:31
huge franchise. You know, I get to ride
00:27:33
that wave. But I I'm just curious. Did
00:27:36
you have wilderness years at all after
00:27:38
Ben Stiller? Do you have a couple years
00:27:39
where you lost your confidence,
00:27:41
nothing's going on, or was it pretty
00:27:42
much then you got with Chandling and
00:27:44
that whole ride or was there times
00:27:47
>> Well, we could talk about your Gary
00:27:48
Chandling experience because I'm really
00:27:49
curious about that and how it informed
00:27:51
you as a filmmaker.
00:27:53
>> The question well I I was bouncing back
00:27:56
and forth
00:27:57
>> to a lot of projects that weren't
00:28:00
necessarily connecting in a mass success
00:28:03
way, but I like them. So I got to make a
00:28:06
movie with Steve Brill uh which still
00:28:09
was in Heavyweights a Disney movie you
00:28:11
know it cost 10 million it made 20 so it
00:28:13
didn't sink my career right
00:28:15
>> and we loved it but you would it wasn't
00:28:18
considered successful in any way and
00:28:20
weirdly now people really like it.
00:28:22
>> Yeah charming and then the Steelers show
00:28:25
we loved it but it got cancelled
00:28:27
>> won the Emmy for best show
00:28:29
>> for Yeah. for writing and so that was
00:28:31
exciting but depressing
00:28:33
>> and then
00:28:35
>> uh I did Sanders for a bunch of years
00:28:39
>> and that was for me like oh I need to
00:28:41
learn how to do this and if I'm here
00:28:43
with Gary I'll I'll learn how to write
00:28:46
and that and that is I I think what
00:28:47
happened is just watching
00:28:48
>> were you with the show when when I came
00:28:50
on because I came Gary asked me to come
00:28:52
on before it had gotten on television
00:28:55
yeah and I was doing the host thing and
00:28:57
>> I so remember that moment
00:28:59
because you did the Smiggle sketch where
00:29:02
you did an impression of Gary and it was
00:29:06
hilarious
00:29:07
but not necessarily something that Gary
00:29:10
would enjoy because there was a lot of
00:29:11
whining. What was the impression?
00:29:13
>> Well, what what the It was hard with
00:29:14
Gary and when he asked me to do it, I
00:29:16
said, "You want me to?" Because he
00:29:17
wanted me to come in and do the
00:29:18
impression to him. He goes, "Oh, yeah. I
00:29:20
love it."
00:29:20
>> I think it's kind of like, you know,
00:29:22
Leno goes like this sometimes. Yeah. But
00:29:24
almost never talks like that. Gary and
00:29:27
every comedian has their hook to signal
00:29:29
the audience
00:29:30
>> that I'm having a great time and this is
00:29:32
really funny. So I noticed that Gary
00:29:33
would talk like this, but then when
00:29:34
something was really funny, he would go
00:29:36
into this pitch and I told my dog that
00:29:39
he shouldn't pee on the carpet like
00:29:41
that. So he wouldn't go to that gear all
00:29:44
the time. Once in a while he just go up
00:29:46
here. It's like he's having a party in
00:29:48
his brain. It was a great move. So I
00:29:50
just did that and I had teeth and it was
00:29:52
grotesque.
00:29:53
>> You had big hair. I had a big
00:29:56
but so anyway.
00:29:57
>> And so Gary I mean was it was really
00:30:00
almost the definition of Gary
00:30:02
>> wanting it to make more fun of him.
00:30:04
>> No that he's offended on some level by
00:30:08
it because it just goes right to the
00:30:09
heart of maybe whatever he might think
00:30:11
is
00:30:12
>> the cliche way of of looking at him or
00:30:15
like he's just too boiled down to
00:30:19
everybody though.
00:30:20
>> Yeah. So he's whiny guy or whatever. So,
00:30:23
I mean, he's not he's not mad about it,
00:30:24
but he's like not loving it. And then
00:30:27
you call him at some point and say,
00:30:30
"Hey, I didn't write that. Smiggle wrote
00:30:32
it. I hope you don't feel bad." And then
00:30:34
Gary's response was,
00:30:36
>> "Well, let's just do an episode about
00:30:37
it."
00:30:38
>> And then he had the writers write the
00:30:41
episode where you guest host and you
00:30:45
keep doing an impression of him on the
00:30:46
show and how annoyed he is at you. And
00:30:49
that was like the meta version of Gary,
00:30:51
you know? He he has his girlfriend at
00:30:53
the time, Linda. Yes.
00:30:54
>> Do an episode where she's in Playboy
00:30:57
magazine. Suddenly, we're shooting with
00:30:59
U Hefner. And then on the set, U Hefner
00:31:01
asks Linda to be in Playboy magazine.
00:31:04
And now Gary in real life has to deal
00:31:05
with the fact that his girlfriend is
00:31:07
going to be naked in Playboy magazine.
00:31:09
And then the next thing you know, we're
00:31:11
all at at the Playboy mansion at a
00:31:14
cocktail party where they have big
00:31:16
pictures of her naked,
00:31:18
>> right? Oh, look at Oh, wow. in the
00:31:20
middle and Gary's got to be there
00:31:24
>> suffer through it and that's what would
00:31:25
keep happening with every person. Do you
00:31:27
remember the Hervey Villichz was on that
00:31:29
episode? The deep plane deep plane, you
00:31:32
know, and he didn't know it was a fake
00:31:33
talk show cuz it hadn't aired yet. But
00:31:35
anyway, that was funny.
00:31:37
>> Here's the thing that I find very very
00:31:38
interesting. First time like I've been
00:31:40
really bad in the two movies that I did.
00:31:42
Um cuz 125 takes, 300 rehearsals, you
00:31:45
know,
00:31:46
>> and it'll come to the way you do films,
00:31:47
but Gary, we get on the set there, it
00:31:50
was pre-digital, so there's three guys
00:31:51
with 16 millimeter. So they're covering
00:31:54
me, covering Gary, covering the twoot.
00:31:56
And Gary's going, I'll say this, you say
00:31:58
something like that. Never experienced
00:32:00
anything like that. So when I watch it,
00:32:01
I go, wow, I'm actually looks like I'm
00:32:03
really acting. Yeah. So that was also a
00:32:05
genius part. I mean, he spawned a world,
00:32:07
an industry.
00:32:08
>> Well, because you have to be very loose.
00:32:11
>> He liked going deep emotionally. It's a
00:32:13
little bit cringe comedy, which I think
00:32:14
people picked up on.
00:32:15
>> Curb is a little bit like Ricky Ju, you
00:32:18
know. And so, you know, when you got
00:32:21
what was the first film that you
00:32:22
directed? I directed uh The 40-year-old
00:32:25
Virgin was the first one and we would do
00:32:27
table reads uh to try to crack it and
00:32:30
Gary
00:32:31
>> would always come. He was so nice and he
00:32:33
would he would pitch the fix. So I said
00:32:35
to Gary, "What do I do about
00:32:37
masturbation?"
00:32:39
Because wouldn't he just masturbate all
00:32:41
the time,
00:32:42
>> right? He's a virgin. He's 40.
00:32:43
>> And so we're in a room with like Adam
00:32:45
McKay and all these great writers and
00:32:46
Seth and we're trying to go what would
00:32:48
he do and how do you not talk about
00:32:50
that?
00:32:51
>> And how do you keep it Steve Carelli?
00:32:52
So, it's not cringey with him because of
00:32:54
his likability.
00:32:55
>> And then Gary just goes, "Maybe we just
00:32:57
see his preparations for masturbating."
00:33:01
And then Gary pitches out, he puts on
00:33:03
his favorite bathrobe, he takes a
00:33:05
shower, he puts out his tissues and his
00:33:07
creams. And and and then we put on like
00:33:09
Lionel Richie Hello underneath it. And
00:33:12
uh and that was the scene. And and Gary
00:33:15
would do that all the time. He he he
00:33:17
would tell you
00:33:19
>> the great joke and the emotion, you
00:33:21
know, because he did say to me once, I
00:33:22
think the show I think that that movie
00:33:24
is about people
00:33:25
>> who love each other. It's about love and
00:33:27
it's about when your friends are just
00:33:28
trying to get laid, but you're looking
00:33:30
for love.
00:33:31
>> Yeah. And that was his genius.
00:33:33
>> Yes. Absolutely.
00:33:34
>> To balance paos and comedy.
00:33:35
>> Yeah.
00:33:36
>> Like other geniuses. Chaplain. So when
00:33:38
when you uh I I just hear things about
00:33:41
the way you direct and I don't know if
00:33:42
you did on that one, but you kind of
00:33:44
>> you're running a lot because you're on
00:33:45
digital. So, you're running long, long
00:33:48
takes, which you couldn't do with 30,
00:33:49
not back then.
00:33:50
>> Not back then, but I don't know when you
00:33:51
started that. And you're kind of like
00:33:53
tilting people out of their preconceived
00:33:56
choices by sort of yelling out things.
00:33:58
Do it like this, do it like that. When
00:33:59
did that start? Because that seems great
00:34:00
for comedians who can improvise.
00:34:02
>> Well, it started with Stiller at the Ben
00:34:04
Stiller Show.
00:34:04
>> Oh, you were doing it then? Yeah,
00:34:06
because Ben, you know, a lot of times
00:34:08
we'd just be shooting a single of Ben
00:34:09
doing like a Tony Robbins impression
00:34:12
>> and we would have a script, but then Ben
00:34:14
would just talk for like another 20
00:34:15
minutes off the top of his head
00:34:16
>> and you just run it on film.
00:34:18
>> And we would just run it on film and and
00:34:20
then sometimes Ben would play this agent
00:34:23
character and he would be pitching bad
00:34:25
career advice to people like Run DMC or
00:34:29
something like that, but he would get
00:34:30
afraid to say it to their face. So he
00:34:32
would do a soft version and then he
00:34:34
would tell them they were rap for the
00:34:35
day and then he would redo his single
00:34:37
with harsher jokes
00:34:39
>> and and then we would just riff and play
00:34:41
what else we could do.
00:34:42
>> And then when we started doing movies we
00:34:45
we thought oh you could do that in a
00:34:48
scene you could do that in the middle of
00:34:49
a scene even for emotional stuff not
00:34:51
just jokes you and we did that with
00:34:54
David on love where we just kept it
00:34:56
loose and it's not always punchline
00:34:59
driven. Well, I would say that for
00:35:00
anybody when you're discovering it, like
00:35:02
sometimes when you think of a stand-up
00:35:03
bit, the best you do it is the first
00:35:05
time you do it and then you try to get
00:35:07
back to that. Exactly.
00:35:08
>> But when you're discovering something,
00:35:09
the camera is rolling and you're doing
00:35:11
it for the first time, it just a lot of
00:35:13
times gets a lot of pop. I think that's
00:35:14
what Brando was always trying to do by
00:35:17
hiding notes and oranges on the ceiling
00:35:19
so he just would experience it. So
00:35:22
that's all I got, David.
00:35:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think some of the best
00:35:24
philosophy
00:35:25
>> some of the best stuff I've seen just as
00:35:26
a viewer on set is like Will Ferrell on
00:35:31
set just doing a run of alternate lines.
00:35:34
>> Yeah. I was going to ask you that about
00:35:36
someone who and probably Will Ferrell
00:35:38
would be one of them where you're sort
00:35:40
of watching greatness in a sense.
00:35:42
>> Yeah.
00:35:43
>> You know, and I I was envious that he
00:35:45
would get these long takes to do to show
00:35:47
that, you know, it seems like so much
00:35:49
fun. I mean, the one I was thinking
00:35:50
about, one was milk was a bad choice.
00:35:53
>> You know, I'm in a glass case of emotion
00:35:55
in Anchor Man. That scene is just him
00:35:58
and Adam for maybe it's just 15 minutes.
00:36:02
They know they need one line
00:36:04
>> and they're go they get to go 15 minutes
00:36:06
to get that one magic moment
00:36:07
>> just going crazy. Adam's yelling out
00:36:10
stuff. Will's improvising. They've
00:36:11
written a bunch of stuff beforehand.
00:36:13
There was one where I think it was that
00:36:16
Rudd punches Will in the face in
00:36:18
Anchorman 2
00:36:20
>> and they just wanted to get funny
00:36:21
reactions from Ron Bernie getting
00:36:23
punched in the face and Adam yells out
00:36:27
>> after he hits you. He hit you so hard
00:36:29
you speak in foreign language after he
00:36:31
hits you, you know, and then it turned
00:36:33
into after he hits you, he hit you so
00:36:35
hard you're now five years old.
00:36:38
>> And Will would just go on run after run.
00:36:41
One of that movie pops to see that, you
00:36:44
know, at the end as many of those.
00:36:46
There's never too many for me. Uh, just
00:36:48
to show that. And I always try to get
00:36:50
Adam to do out takes cuz, you know, like
00:36:52
on Grown-Ups, it's all funny people.
00:36:53
Like, come on. We're all [ __ ] around
00:36:55
the whole time. I'm sure there's
00:36:56
something in there funny. There better
00:36:58
be.
00:36:58
>> Yes.
00:36:59
>> Just And you know, cuz we do the same
00:37:01
thing. It's like, what are we doing in
00:37:02
this thing? And we would even huddle up
00:37:04
in between and takes
00:37:06
>> and and I'm a hoarder so like I actually
00:37:08
feel bad if I don't find a way to get
00:37:10
those alternate jokes out
00:37:12
>> somewhere on the I mean it used to be on
00:37:14
the Blu-ray and the we would do we used
00:37:17
to call them loroamas and just make
00:37:19
fiveinut reels of the alternate stuff
00:37:22
because if I'm like I when I worked with
00:37:24
Adam on Funny People if if he's riffing
00:37:26
I actually think it's gold and the fact
00:37:29
that it would just go in the toilet I
00:37:31
find unbearable. I agree. We may have
00:37:34
lost minutes from our wraparounds,
00:37:36
right, Craig? Not to compare. You're
00:37:38
feature filmed.
00:37:43
>> This is just a basic questions I'd ask
00:37:45
someone to do. What people
00:37:47
>> uh the film that you were producer
00:37:49
directed, you had a vision of it that
00:37:51
would most realized it.
00:37:54
Um, I mean
00:37:57
I I Yeah, I mean I do think that I did
00:38:01
in the King of Staten Island uh I mean
00:38:03
there's Pete Davidson
00:38:04
>> with Pete that I I do think like
00:38:07
>> for what what was difficult about it?
00:38:09
>> Yes.
00:38:10
>> You know, can you tell a a fictional
00:38:13
version of his story and what he's been
00:38:14
through
00:38:16
>> and make it funny but make you really
00:38:18
feel it? uh like that tone for me which
00:38:21
maybe is a little more of a Hal Ashby
00:38:23
tone which I'm always trying to figure
00:38:25
out.
00:38:26
>> The fact that that movie works I'm
00:38:28
really proud of because it's it's
00:38:29
balancing like grief and pain but still
00:38:32
trying to figure out how to make people
00:38:33
like Pete and Bill
00:38:35
>> Ashby movie do you reference in your
00:38:37
mind?
00:38:37
>> I always think about the last detail
00:38:40
>> because
00:38:40
>> this ain't no hor's [ __ ]
00:38:43
>> Yeah, exactly.
00:38:44
>> Which seen the movie? I am the goddamn
00:38:46
>> I am the we that that's a reference with
00:38:48
my friends and with my sons. We are the
00:38:50
[ __ ] shore patrol [ __ ]
00:38:53
>> Yeah. I mean that energy.
00:38:54
>> Yeah.
00:38:55
>> Where like that's a pretty long shot
00:38:56
with no edits and it just the whole
00:38:58
movie feels so real. It feels like a
00:39:00
documentary and I'm always trying to
00:39:02
figure out can you do that with hard
00:39:04
comedy and have that aliveness.
00:39:06
>> Interesting. Yeah. Good. Coming home.
00:39:09
Did he do that too or he did? Coming
00:39:10
home. Coming home is crazy
00:39:11
>> and amazing stuff in Coming Home where
00:39:13
they're at meetings with veterans
00:39:16
talking about their problems and he did
00:39:17
a lot of it with real people and
00:39:19
improvised it and and it it's some of it
00:39:21
is remarkable and very moving. So I
00:39:24
always think about him and I think about
00:39:25
Paul Riser in in Diner
00:39:28
>> because he made up most of his stuff and
00:39:30
they threw him into it
00:39:32
>> and he created a character. It's so good
00:39:35
when you don't know for sure what you're
00:39:38
going to say or they say you know I get
00:39:40
on some of these things. Even in sitcoms
00:39:42
they go uh
00:39:44
>> uh all right let's do another one and
00:39:46
just spade this time dealer's choice
00:39:48
whatever you want
00:39:49
>> and then and you have
00:39:50
>> 5 seconds while they walk back to the
00:39:52
camera and say rolling and then you go
00:39:54
uh and then you just try something but
00:39:56
it's like a movies too just do one let's
00:39:58
do one for you.
00:39:59
>> Yeah.
00:39:59
>> And then sometimes they will keep
00:40:02
rolling. Maybe you do that and sometimes
00:40:04
they do them one at a time. Uh I don't
00:40:07
mind keep rolling and and sometimes
00:40:08
there's a guy there like there's some
00:40:10
some movies usually on Adams we have
00:40:13
>> Schwarzen or Steve corn or someone that
00:40:15
sits by Video Village. It's a tough job.
00:40:18
It's grueling.
00:40:19
>> Yeah. To just to be pitching to pinch
00:40:21
extra jokes. I did that with Paul Appel
00:40:24
on a bunch of movies. I mean from
00:40:25
Saturday Night Live. She's remarkable at
00:40:28
the onset.
00:40:28
>> And you get some wish to have her on
00:40:30
this podcast. We hear her name for sure.
00:40:32
Yeah,
00:40:32
>> she gets uh Speaking of SNL, I What
00:40:35
would be your dream team?
00:40:37
>> This is a [ __ ] tough question,
00:40:39
>> you know? I I think
00:40:41
>> I' I'd like to think of the uh what
00:40:43
might have been team,
00:40:46
>> you know, like like people that didn't
00:40:49
get to full fruition in that space, you
00:40:52
know, the Gilbert Godfrieded,
00:40:55
uh Robert Downey Jr.,
00:40:58
Um right uh
00:41:00
>> Robert Downey was almost a blessing in
00:41:01
disguise that he left. Same kind of
00:41:02
thing with you and Shine.
00:41:03
>> He was 84 or five year.
00:41:07
>> One year.
00:41:07
>> Yeah.
00:41:08
>> Um you know who else was really funny? I
00:41:10
mean Terry Sweeney was so funny
00:41:13
>> on on the show. Michaela Watkins, you
00:41:15
know, people that were there for a year
00:41:17
like Kekner,
00:41:18
>> you know, Jenny Slate who were who are
00:41:21
so good and uh I mean Stiller was there
00:41:24
for like four episodes. Bob Odenkirk was
00:41:28
there for a few seasons but never really
00:41:30
could get on as a performer. So I I
00:41:33
always think about people who are
00:41:34
amazing that
00:41:36
>> put together an A team kickass SNL
00:41:39
>> Conan and Bob were writers with us and
00:41:41
um they were feature players.
00:41:43
>> They're writer feature players and I
00:41:45
didn't even know it for probably two
00:41:46
years because
00:41:48
>> they did I was told
00:41:51
you know don't you know like Shoemaker
00:41:53
or Marcy or someone says don't write
00:41:55
yourself in right away. you know, you
00:41:56
were here for a job and I was like lucky
00:41:58
to be there, but didn't, like you were
00:42:01
saying earlier, writing for other
00:42:02
people. Not that I didn't want to
00:42:03
really, I just don't didn't know how to.
00:42:05
I only barely knew how to write for my
00:42:06
own persona,
00:42:08
>> whatever that was. And so, I'm trying to
00:42:10
think for Dana or think for, you know,
00:42:12
whoever else. So, that was hard. And
00:42:14
then you get um
00:42:16
>> I don't even know what I'm talking
00:42:17
about.
00:42:18
I just forgot in the middle. That's all
00:42:20
right. That's okay. I'll cover for you.
00:42:22
So, Conan
00:42:23
>> Oh, yeah. But those guys should have
00:42:25
been on
00:42:26
>> and they were and then when I heard
00:42:27
their feature play I go you're not on
00:42:29
and they would once in a blue moon write
00:42:31
something and it wouldn't get on or just
00:42:33
give themselves three lines and I was
00:42:34
like wow this they're just getting shut
00:42:36
out. So
00:42:37
>> but what do you think the difference
00:42:38
was? Because certainly I know that when
00:42:41
you and Rob and Dave uh I mean you and
00:42:45
Rob and Sandler uh got there you were
00:42:48
intent on getting on. It wasn't like
00:42:50
well maybe I'll be a writer and
00:42:52
hopefully I get on. I mean there was
00:42:53
real energy like I am here to become a
00:42:56
star show.
00:42:57
>> Yeah, Adam for sure from day from day
00:42:59
one he had such confidence.
00:43:00
>> I was more embarrassed to do it and they
00:43:02
were doing it. Rob was doing it a lot
00:43:04
and I was like it's all that is it fair
00:43:07
and then he got copy machine on which
00:43:08
wasn't even I was getting them saying
00:43:11
don't do an update piece this week. Oh
00:43:13
you know you're here to write for people
00:43:14
put that person as instead of you. And
00:43:16
I'm like all right I don't want to get
00:43:17
fired. And Schneider just had balls. So
00:43:19
did Adam. He puts [ __ ] in, put [ __ ] in,
00:43:21
and warmed down.
00:43:23
>> I remember going to Schneider to Jerry's
00:43:24
Delhi after the copy machine hit and he
00:43:28
was as big a star as there is. I mean,
00:43:31
it it was justational
00:43:33
moment and it was hilarious. I mean, I
00:43:35
also love the uh
00:43:36
>> making you put your you put your weed.
00:43:39
>> Oh, that was a big one, too. Put your
00:43:40
weed in there.
00:43:41
>> Put your weed in there. And so, like
00:43:42
Schneider was the first one who really
00:43:44
broke on the show. What was the sketch
00:43:47
that broke you that where you thought
00:43:48
>> I haven't broken yet.
00:43:50
>> Um, a little thing I like to call
00:43:52
Hollywood. Was it the receptionist?
00:43:53
>> It was either that one or bye-bye.
00:43:57
>> Bye-bye.
00:43:57
>> Bye-bye was more overnight where I flew
00:43:59
the next day
00:44:00
>> and I heard it
00:44:02
>> every day for at least 10 years. Like
00:44:04
every flight for sure. Every
00:44:08
Iraqi Pete everywhere.
00:44:11
>> Iraqi Pete was kind of an incredible
00:44:13
swing to have that kind of moment that
00:44:15
didn't work. It was like during the Gulf
00:44:17
War and it was just
00:44:19
>> funny. I think it was Frank
00:44:21
and in Adam's defense, I don't think he
00:44:23
wrote I think it was Frank and going I
00:44:25
ra and we could have some clown like
00:44:27
Sandler come out in a speedo or
00:44:29
something and you know it's like okay I
00:44:32
was one time humiliated because
00:44:34
>> I was not on for probably like 10 shows
00:44:36
and then
00:44:37
>> I just you know people in Arizona are
00:44:39
like you're not even on you're [ __ ]
00:44:41
obviously bombing which is kind of true
00:44:44
and I was like no but I was and then
00:44:48
Uh, one day after I passed out, I was
00:44:50
like walking down the hallway after my
00:44:53
morning.
00:44:55
And then I should have faked it more
00:44:57
during readrough just to get Lauren to
00:44:58
go, "Oh, someone carry him out and give
00:45:00
him a sketch." So, uh, I go, "Sketch?
00:45:04
What do you need a sketch?"
00:45:06
>> You were Were you I don't remember you
00:45:08
being that precarious, but
00:45:09
>> No, I wasn't. But anyway, I'm sort of
00:45:11
repainting.
00:45:12
>> You all toured with me. Sandler toured
00:45:14
with me. You toured with me.
00:45:16
>> Opening for Dana. It was [ __ ] great.
00:45:18
>> John Stewart open for me. Dave
00:45:19
Chappelle,
00:45:20
>> that was a good shows.
00:45:21
>> Uh, yeah,
00:45:22
>> I knew. Yeah, you could tell right away.
00:45:24
>> By the way, Dana had no trouble
00:45:25
following me. I would go on and I would
00:45:27
do pretty bad.
00:45:27
>> I was go in that special in those days.
00:45:29
>> And then he walk
00:45:31
push me in the wall.
00:45:33
>> If we're to be honest, Dana is still way
00:45:36
better than all of you by far.
00:45:40
>> Like, it's not even a question, right?
00:45:41
>> I wonder. Is this going to be recorded?
00:45:43
>> This is the watched it all. I mean, you
00:45:45
guys all kill it, but Dana Dana, it's
00:45:48
it's other it's other level stuff.
00:45:50
Beetles explaining technology.
00:45:53
>> It doesn't get funnier than that.
00:45:54
>> Well, you know, you know the thing thing
00:45:56
about Jud, you know, he's a filmmaker.
00:45:59
You makes a lot of pictures. You go in
00:46:01
the cinema, you know, with the popcorn,
00:46:03
whatever. They look up, everybody's
00:46:04
happy, laugh, laugh, laugh, and then a
00:46:06
little bit of a tear. They want to see
00:46:08
it again a week later. Sorry. I love
00:46:10
being a beetle.
00:46:12
>> Yeah. I would never follow. That's like
00:46:14
if you go, we're going to do this show
00:46:16
and these people are going on a great
00:46:18
>> That was my one move. Once I got there
00:46:20
after failure before and after, but I
00:46:22
have a great blessed life.
00:46:24
>> When I got there after a little bit of
00:46:25
time, I thought, damn, I'm a fish in
00:46:28
water now. I'm like, this this really
00:46:30
fits what I do. The clubs was even tough
00:46:32
sometimes cuz I had no jokes. Yeah.
00:46:34
>> I literally had not one punchline. It
00:46:36
was all rhythms.
00:46:37
>> Before you got to know, but but when I
00:46:39
got there, oh, they want characters,
00:46:40
impressions, and catchphrases. I got
00:46:42
that when you
00:46:43
>> I remember seeing you at Igbies before
00:46:45
you got SNL and uh and that was a great
00:46:48
small club that's now a strip club and I
00:46:50
remember seeing George Carlin
00:46:53
>> perform there. Great. But I I'll tell
00:46:55
you I mean watching you reduce like a
00:46:58
person to what the impression was was
00:47:00
always amazing like what what is your
00:47:01
take on it? But the Biden that you do
00:47:05
when I saw you do Biden on maybe was on
00:47:06
Coobe or something and I thought, "Oh my
00:47:08
god, Dana quietly has a better Biden
00:47:11
than everybody."
00:47:12
>> Come on. Here's a deal. Let's get real.
00:47:14
And guess what? Guess what? We did those
00:47:16
things as America. We're going to do
00:47:18
better. We're going to do better. I like
00:47:20
the yelling Biden now. And then the
00:47:21
whisper. We know how to reduce the
00:47:23
deficits of people. Come on, folks.
00:47:25
Number one, what the guy said. Number
00:47:27
two, the two-part. Number three, you
00:47:29
know the drill.
00:47:30
>> It's not rocket science. Come on. We
00:47:32
could do better. We'll do it. Come out.
00:47:34
>> What about
00:47:34
>> He's I'm still learning him.
00:47:36
>> What about when Camala Harris was in
00:47:38
this I just saw a clip of her and she
00:47:40
starts she always has a nervous laugh.
00:47:41
She's like the Joker. She's like they're
00:47:44
like they're bombing Ukraine. She's like
00:47:47
she's like you wouldn't get it.
00:47:48
>> Well,
00:47:50
I just wonder what it' be like to be
00:47:52
married to her cuz she's she's very
00:47:54
attractive and she's so cheerful. Be
00:47:56
like, "Hey, Camala,
00:47:59
>> we're going to have breakfast.
00:48:01
I mean, it seems like a really nice
00:48:02
watch.
00:48:03
>> Nervous laughing is troubling.
00:48:06
>> It's troubling. It's
00:48:08
>> It is a deeply troubling thing.
00:48:10
>> Oh, wait. Let me go. I'm skimm down
00:48:12
here. Come on. Shh. Everybody shut up.
00:48:14
>> Let's get some questions.
00:48:15
>> This one's funny. 2007 Entertainment
00:48:17
Weekly did the smartest people in
00:48:19
Hollywood. And guess what? Jud got
00:48:21
number one. What the [ __ ]
00:48:23
>> Who was number two? I think I beat Will
00:48:25
Smith that year.
00:48:25
>> I'm sure you beat Well, you beat
00:48:27
everybody, but you beat everyone in
00:48:29
Hollywood. This is unbelievable.
00:48:30
>> You're going really deep in research
00:48:32
that because that's the kind of thing
00:48:33
that happens and you go, "God, I wish
00:48:34
people talked about it more." Like, no
00:48:37
one talks about that in 2007.
00:48:38
>> Well, it seems like you're like, we had
00:48:40
it with Ben Stiller, too, where we
00:48:42
looked at his IMB and it's like Ben,
00:48:43
you're kind of like, whoa. And you have
00:48:45
kind of the same thing like, oh, he's
00:48:46
there, he's producing, he's directing.
00:48:48
It's like the resume is so big.
00:48:49
>> I had to take a nap after I read it.
00:48:51
>> I have a question. Just point.
00:48:53
>> No, I have a question not about Jud.
00:48:55
This will be great.
00:48:55
>> Okay. Jud, your daughter Ma, who you
00:48:58
might not know this, she's on a show
00:49:00
called Euphoria.
00:49:00
>> Yes, I've seen I've seen a few
00:49:03
>> is a Showtime or
00:49:06
>> uh HB.
00:49:07
>> Every time I watch it, I think I know
00:49:08
Spades watching it around.
00:49:10
>> I am I watch one and I was
00:49:12
>> horrified, Jud.
00:49:14
>> I haven't seen that many naked wieners
00:49:17
since my fraternity hazing.
00:49:19
>> I was watching it and I was like, what?
00:49:21
This is what they're watching. What
00:49:23
happened to Leverne and Shirley? And
00:49:25
where is the simpler time? I think it's
00:49:27
all chang but first of all huge deal
00:49:30
that mod I saw her on that and I saw um
00:49:34
>> Iris was in the bubble
00:49:36
>> and Iris was in the bubble which comes
00:49:38
out April 1st on
00:49:40
>> bubble. Yeah,
00:49:42
>> the bubble is uh my attempt to do
00:49:46
something during
00:49:47
>> the pandemic.
00:49:48
>> So what point of the pandemic did it hit
00:49:50
you and when did you start shooting it?
00:49:52
because the pandemic
00:49:53
>> you would even be allowed to shoot it.
00:49:54
>> Well, now I look back and I think it's
00:49:58
almost like
00:50:00
a nervous breakdown to want to make
00:50:03
something during it because the the
00:50:05
pandemic started in March.
00:50:07
>> Yeah.
00:50:07
>> And by a year from there, I was almost
00:50:10
done filming the movie.
00:50:12
>> And so you had
00:50:12
>> you got it going that fast.
00:50:14
>> Yeah. It was a very I think maybe I had
00:50:17
a manic episode.
00:50:18
>> Were you leading with the protocols
00:50:20
then? You had green light for film sets
00:50:22
and actual bubbles.
00:50:23
>> Yeah, you were you were inventing it as
00:50:25
you went along in a way, right?
00:50:26
>> We were making a movie about making a
00:50:29
movie in the bubble while making fun of
00:50:32
the protocols, but also doing the
00:50:34
protocols
00:50:35
>> and making fun of the need to make a
00:50:39
movie due to your ego or your madness.
00:50:42
Like that no one needs a movie. There's
00:50:43
something more important happening. And
00:50:45
who are mocking people who feel it's
00:50:47
necessary while actually doing it. The
00:50:49
whole thing is very hypocritical.
00:50:51
>> Can we make sure we edit that out and
00:50:53
put it on Instagram because that's the
00:50:55
most meta that's like hyper meta.
00:50:57
>> Like we have a fake uh co supervisor in
00:51:01
the movie who gives terrible advice
00:51:02
>> and then does he's a real co adviser.
00:51:04
>> I mean the real co adviser is giving the
00:51:06
same speech 5 minutes before the fake
00:51:08
one is shot for the movie. You say,
00:51:10
"Look at this clown that we're making
00:51:12
fun of." And then you go, "Well, let's
00:51:13
bring out the real guy who's exactly the
00:51:15
same."
00:51:15
>> And we're all wearing masks. And then
00:51:16
the actors are like chewing their masks
00:51:18
in the scene and not wearing them on
00:51:20
their ears. And we're making fun of how
00:51:21
no one's wearing the mask. And so the
00:51:24
whole experience was strange that way.
00:51:26
But it started because I was really
00:51:29
getting stir crazy and I was walking on
00:51:31
the beach lot with my friend uh Brent
00:51:33
Forester who wrote for The Simpsons in
00:51:35
The Office. And one day we were like, we
00:51:37
should just think of stuff. Like we're
00:51:38
walking for hours every day.
00:51:41
>> Wasted thinking and walking.
00:51:42
>> Yeah. So we started talking about the
00:51:44
NBA bubble and that started making us
00:51:47
laugh like all those guys are stuck in
00:51:48
that hotel. What is that like in that
00:51:50
hotel?
00:51:52
>> And then then I thought, oh, this is
00:51:54
almost like a Christopher Guest movie.
00:51:56
>> Yes. you know, where all the actors are
00:51:59
stuck in a hotel
00:52:01
>> trying to make a movie and having a
00:52:03
nervous breakdown and then they're
00:52:05
making a flying dinosaur action movie
00:52:08
and they think it's important they're
00:52:09
not tuned into what's happening and
00:52:11
they're having nervous breakdowns and
00:52:12
having sex with each other and doing
00:52:13
drugs and
00:52:14
>> how was it received when you who'd you
00:52:16
pitch it to and how did they receive it?
00:52:18
especially all the CGI and all all the
00:52:20
big stuff. And
00:52:21
>> I mean, I told Netflix and
00:52:24
>> Ted Sandos, our best friend,
00:52:25
>> I told I told Scott Stewart uh and he
00:52:29
certainly got the joke and said, "Let's
00:52:31
go do it." And I said, "I I'll write a
00:52:33
script, but I'll I'll need to be
00:52:35
rewriting all through it because it
00:52:37
happened very fast." And I hired people
00:52:39
that I thought could change on their
00:52:41
feet.
00:52:41
>> You had uh
00:52:43
>> who's the young lady that was in uh
00:52:44
Sasha's last movie? Maria Baklova is in
00:52:47
it and Karen Gillan and Keegan. Michael
00:52:49
Key and Leslie and Iris and Arman is in
00:52:52
Kon.
00:52:54
>> She's good.
00:52:55
>> She's incredible.
00:52:56
>> Was funny. She's really great.
00:52:59
>> Yeah. She plays the head of the studio.
00:53:00
So every time she checks in to see how
00:53:01
it's going, she's on safari or she's
00:53:04
skiing and she's just around the world.
00:53:05
>> She's one of the rich people that like
00:53:06
sort of is skipping the whole
00:53:08
quarantine.
00:53:09
>> Exactly. And so um
00:53:10
>> but we didn't have any cases the entire
00:53:12
shoot.
00:53:13
>> Interesting.
00:53:15
We just,
00:53:16
>> you know, because it was only two sets.
00:53:18
It was a green screen sound stage and
00:53:20
the hotel.
00:53:21
>> When did the vax come in, by the way?
00:53:23
When during the filming or when did the
00:53:24
vaccine emerge? Were you already filming
00:53:26
or did you have two shots and a booster?
00:53:28
>> I never got vacc because I was in
00:53:30
England and I couldn't get it in
00:53:32
England. But around February in the
00:53:34
middle of the shoot, you people would
00:53:36
walk up to you and say, "I got a call
00:53:38
that I can get a vaccination at 10
00:53:40
tomorrow, so I'm not coming in."
00:53:41
>> And that's how it works in England. You
00:53:43
have an appointment and you just go. It
00:53:44
could be like that. You know, the
00:53:45
cinematographer is like, "Yeah, I'm not
00:53:47
here tomorrow."
00:53:48
>> And then slowly the crew
00:53:49
>> and then I'm going to feel like [ __ ] for
00:53:50
a while.
00:53:51
>> Brits are like that.
00:53:52
>> I'm not going to get the I'll get the
00:53:54
job tomorrow for the best. I'll just do
00:53:56
it. As long as you guys
00:53:59
as long as he smiles.
00:54:01
>> He's given us so much joy.
00:54:02
>> Is Lennon different than Paul?
00:54:04
>> Lennon is very very cryptic down here.
00:54:06
How is it Paul? Who's great? You know,
00:54:08
we're having a good time down here. How
00:54:10
are you? I don't know. you know, just
00:54:11
looking around, whatever. I don't want
00:54:13
to do anymore.
00:54:13
>> I like that. You don't mind one where he
00:54:15
talks to Paul.
00:54:16
>> How would Paul explain uh Tik Tok to
00:54:19
John?
00:54:20
>> It's very short little clippy things,
00:54:22
you know, where people put something on
00:54:24
funny and they dance around. Takes about
00:54:26
10 seconds. And if you do it, you're a
00:54:28
star all over the world. We did Abby
00:54:30
Road. We did the White Oak. That's
00:54:32
what's going on. But, you know, it's
00:54:34
like Kanye West. Who's that? He's sort
00:54:36
of a talkie singer. He's a bit maybe
00:54:38
crazy. I don't know.
00:54:40
Who was who was he? Did he have a woman?
00:54:43
He had a woman named Kim Kardashian for
00:54:45
a while. What did she do?
00:54:48
>> Oh, you know, she take pictures of her
00:54:49
bottom. You know,
00:54:51
>> how did she take pictures of her bottom?
00:54:53
Well, with a little a little, you know,
00:54:54
have a little television camera in your
00:54:56
pocket called an iPhone. When she
00:54:58
happened to go working, she took a
00:54:59
bottom out and she take a picture of it
00:55:01
doing the whole bit.
00:55:03
What's so special about her bottom? It's
00:55:05
it's it's not a normal bottom. It's a
00:55:07
bottom 2.0. It's like God made a fanny
00:55:10
and attached a person is an aptathon.
00:55:12
The whole family's doing the old show in
00:55:14
the Baltams taking pictures. One man got
00:55:16
so frustrated he became a woman. Boom.
00:55:20
>> That's all I got. We don't have to keep
00:55:22
it in here, but I like to entertain the
00:55:23
entertainer.
00:55:24
>> I'm here just for that. One of the great
00:55:27
things I watched in the last few years
00:55:29
pre- pandemic was you uh and Bill her
00:55:32
and Melany at Largo doing an unproduced
00:55:37
sketch
00:55:38
>> which was uh Casey Kasem and his son who
00:55:41
don't get along. What was the premise of
00:55:43
it?
00:55:43
>> Yeah. They don't get along as a
00:55:44
narrative.
00:55:46
>> We all did it first.
00:55:47
>> Yeah.
00:55:47
>> Yes. And it completely bombed on
00:55:49
Saturday Night Live. like dead silence
00:55:52
and then we just got revenge at Largo by
00:55:54
doing the exact same. Son, you're a
00:55:56
waste of space. You don't really do much
00:55:59
with your life at all, do you? Dad, I
00:56:01
know you're right about that. You know,
00:56:02
it's that kind of thing back and forth
00:56:05
laid there at SNL killed in front of 300
00:56:08
people.
00:56:09
>> But I remember that dinner and I
00:56:10
remember that we were the check came and
00:56:12
we were looking around.
00:56:13
>> Who took it?
00:56:14
>> We checked celebrity net worth and
00:56:16
>> Did you
00:56:17
>> Did I pay or did it pay? I you paid but
00:56:20
I almost always so I I was I was kind of
00:56:23
>> I have a picture of us from that night.
00:56:24
Let's look at the clip.
00:56:26
>> Yeah,
00:56:26
>> let's put that on Instagram.
00:56:29
>> I maybe it was it should have been. It
00:56:30
was a pretty solid Thursday.
00:56:32
>> This might be kind of awkward, but I'd
00:56:33
like to do another long McCartney.
00:56:34
>> Yeah, go ahead.
00:56:35
>> All right.
00:56:37
>> I'd like to do the last 15 minutes of my
00:56:39
special. The uh the other thing I did
00:56:41
want to mention because uh I do have to
00:56:43
promote something is I I put out this
00:56:45
book for charity. I had the first book,
00:56:48
Sick in the Head, and the money goes to
00:56:50
8.26, which is a
00:56:52
>> a charity that gives free tutoring to
00:56:54
kids. Like kids could just walk in this
00:56:55
place and they get free tutors.
00:56:57
>> Free books to kids.
00:56:58
>> We pay a lot of money for that.
00:56:59
>> Tutor is a tutor. And when when I was
00:57:02
doing SNL, she would tutor kids
00:57:03
downtown,
00:57:05
>> underprivileged kids, my wife Paula.
00:57:06
>> Yeah. And that's how in the hell do you
00:57:08
know how to teach someone English? Cuz
00:57:10
she went to a good Catholic school. I
00:57:12
mean, could you teach English to a kid,
00:57:14
a 5-year-old, a three-year-old? I mean,
00:57:16
>> build the grammar and know what a
00:57:17
dangling participle is.
00:57:18
>> I barely got my kids through through
00:57:20
anything schoolwise. Uh, and there were
00:57:23
many, many tutors involved. So, this
00:57:25
book pays for these centers. We give all
00:57:27
the money away. And so, the new book,
00:57:29
Sicker in the Head,
00:57:30
>> Yes.
00:57:31
>> has like, uh, you know, Sasha Baron
00:57:32
Cohen and Nathan Fielder and Whoopi
00:57:35
Goldberg and Letterman. And
00:57:36
>> so, what's the general narrative of it?
00:57:38
>> The narrative of is that during the
00:57:39
pandemic, I realized that everyone was
00:57:41
home and available to do this. So all
00:57:44
these people that I thought wouldn't
00:57:45
normally do an interview with me had no
00:57:47
excuse to say no cuz I knew they were
00:57:49
home.
00:57:49
>> That's the thinking.
00:57:50
>> And so I called, you know, Lyn Manuel
00:57:52
Miranda and Letterman and people like
00:57:54
that that might normally be too busy and
00:57:56
>> and they have no excuse.
00:57:57
>> Yeah. And also it was kind of an
00:57:58
emotional interview because everyone was
00:58:00
really thinking about their lives at the
00:58:02
time. So the
00:58:03
>> be more vulnerable.
00:58:08
>> Could I make an observation? Yeah.
00:58:10
During the pandemic, uh, I did the
00:58:11
sourdough, I did the puzzles, I did
00:58:13
Scrabble, watched a lot of movies.
00:58:15
>> Yeah.
00:58:15
>> You made a movie and wrote a book.
00:58:17
>> Yes.
00:58:18
>> Should I see? Should I talk to a
00:58:20
therapist? I mean, I did. I think I had
00:58:22
two years to do something.
00:58:23
>> Yeah. I realized that the because I'm
00:58:25
promoting the book, the movie, and then
00:58:28
in May, me and my friend Michael vonfigo
00:58:30
made a two-part George Carlin
00:58:32
documentary for so I thought maybe I had
00:58:35
a nervous breakdown for two straight
00:58:37
years
00:58:38
>> in one and work was the way to deal with
00:58:40
it,
00:58:40
>> I guess, because at the time it didn't
00:58:41
feel like I was working that much, but
00:58:44
probably.
00:58:45
>> But you were busy. You seem to be always
00:58:47
shooting. Yeah. and and to stop in your
00:58:49
tracks on a dime. Like one day we were
00:58:51
working that show Lights Out and they go
00:58:53
just go in for the weekend and we're
00:58:54
going to have a no audience on Monday,
00:58:57
which we thought was weird. And then it
00:58:59
even that fast by Monday.
00:59:00
>> Yeah.
00:59:01
>> Don't come back in.
00:59:02
>> You know, we have a twoe lockdown and
00:59:04
we're in the third year of our twoe
00:59:05
lockdown. So,
00:59:06
>> and I used to listen to all of your
00:59:08
interviews with the cast of Tiger King.
00:59:10
>> Oh, yeah. That's right.
00:59:10
>> Cuz you you got everybody.
00:59:12
>> I know. It was so weird.
00:59:13
>> And you got that reporter who had all
00:59:15
his tapes burned. That was an incredible
00:59:17
interview with that guy. He he was like,
00:59:19
"This stuff actually isn't funny.
00:59:21
They're really just
00:59:22
>> torturing and killing all these animals
00:59:24
and he he was the only one who really
00:59:26
told the truth."
00:59:26
>> Dana, you don't even know. I did a deep
00:59:28
dive. I was the wolf blitz.
00:59:29
>> I remember the tiger interviews.
00:59:31
>> It was just sort of
00:59:32
>> Pentagon papers.
00:59:33
>> I just hit him up on Instagram. Some of
00:59:34
these people we just found him and said,
00:59:35
"Do you want to do it?" And they go, "It
00:59:37
was mostly because of Joe Dirt."
00:59:38
>> Yeah. Oh, because you
00:59:40
>> they all like Joe Dirt. Yeah. So they
00:59:41
go, "Oh, I'm one I'm one of them and I'm
00:59:45
not going to go after him." And I didn't
00:59:46
really I let them tell their story.
00:59:48
>> Children is huge in sort of the whatever
00:59:51
you call that part of the country.
00:59:52
>> The world redneck
00:59:54
>> the world.
00:59:55
>> While I'm in your house, something paid
00:59:57
off.
00:59:57
>> Well, you know, because I have seven Joe
00:59:59
Dirt posters on the way to the podcast.
01:00:01
>> So, the Tiger King himself loves Joe
01:00:03
Dirt.
01:00:04
>> I That's what I've heard. Yeah.
01:00:06
>> Yeah. But uh
01:00:07
>> I I never really chased after trying to
01:00:09
play him because it was kind of like Jod
01:00:12
and it didn't seem that fun or
01:00:14
appealing, but it was so fun to watch it
01:00:16
during then and be a part of it all and
01:00:18
it was such a it was like the first big
01:00:20
thing during the uh the break.
01:00:23
>> Have you seen the new one? I mean, one
01:00:24
just came out with Kate McInnon and
01:00:26
>> John Cameron Mitchell.
01:00:27
>> I haven't seen it. I don't know.
01:00:28
>> I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it.
01:00:30
I I Yeah, it's that's fascinating. But I
01:00:33
actually really enjoyed those interviews
01:00:34
cuz you went deep with everyone. So we
01:00:36
watched this thing which always felt
01:00:38
watered down. When I watched it, I
01:00:40
always thought this is so much worse
01:00:43
than this. And then you would you would
01:00:45
get real conversations with people where
01:00:47
they laid it out. So I I implore
01:00:49
everyone to go down that. That's a good
01:00:51
YouTube well to watch.
01:00:53
>> Yeah, they were nice. I'm like, when
01:00:54
that tiger chewed off your arm, did you
01:00:56
feel like were you allowed to take a
01:00:58
lunch break after?
01:00:59
>> She went back to work after that.
01:01:00
>> She did. She went back. That was
01:01:01
interesting. I was like you. Yeah.
01:01:03
>> It's interesting how things become such
01:01:05
cultural phenomenon. So like a wildfire
01:01:07
like Squid Game after that talking about
01:01:09
Netflix now. Just like boom. Everyone
01:01:11
has to see it. Everyone talks about it.
01:01:13
A fury frenzy. And then can I ask you a
01:01:15
question?
01:01:16
>> Yeah.
01:01:16
>> Yes.
01:01:16
>> Cuz I'm I'm such fascinated by George
01:01:18
Carlin. When did you do a documentary?
01:01:20
Okay. Bubble. When's uh bubble come out?
01:01:24
The bubble.
01:01:24
>> April 1st.
01:01:25
>> April 1. The book is out now. the book
01:01:27
you can preary and then the documentary
01:01:29
which about George
01:01:30
>> Carlin
01:01:30
>> May like 2015.
01:01:32
>> What did you take away from that? What
01:01:34
did you discover about George Carlin
01:01:35
that you might not have known? What was
01:01:37
your sense after doing a deep dive on
01:01:38
him?
01:01:39
>> I didn't really I didn't really know
01:01:40
that much about him because he never
01:01:42
mentioned his family and his act. He had
01:01:43
no jokes about his wife or his daughter.
01:01:46
>> Yeah.
01:01:46
>> And so I thought, well, how I don't know
01:01:49
him. Sure.
01:01:50
>> How could I even tell weird or was he
01:01:52
pretty normal? Well, he was a guy that
01:01:55
grew up in New York. He he his dad used
01:01:58
to,
01:01:59
>> you know, beat up his older brother and
01:02:02
and there's a lot of alcoholism and the
01:02:05
mom ran away with the kids and moved to
01:02:08
upstate upstate New York in the 50s. uh
01:02:12
and
01:02:14
maybe even the late 40s and then she had
01:02:18
to raise him alone and then he loved
01:02:20
like radio and Danny Kay
01:02:22
>> and got into everything through that.
01:02:24
But the fascinating part is you know he
01:02:26
had a very corny career in the beginning
01:02:27
very
01:02:29
variety show for a while and then at
01:02:32
some point like Richard Prior he just
01:02:34
became himself and grew a beard and long
01:02:37
hair and got got very edgy. Then he kind
01:02:40
of ran out of gas and got soft again.
01:02:42
Had a heart attack and and talked about
01:02:45
his stuff and that those bits were great
01:02:47
but also very soft. And then he saw
01:02:49
Kenisonson. This is the thing we
01:02:50
learned.
01:02:51
>> What was Kenisonson the hook?
01:02:52
>> He saw Kenisonson and he said I'm not
01:02:54
going to be soft compared to him and
01:02:56
then he went for the rest of his life he
01:03:00
just out. You were all diseased is a
01:03:03
>> Are you talking about post like uh the
01:03:06
seven words that
01:03:08
90s he he went really still funny at
01:03:12
least in you were all diseases really
01:03:14
funny
01:03:14
>> really dark but also the reason why we
01:03:16
made it was because if you go online
01:03:18
whenever anything happens in the news
01:03:20
George Carlin trends and so people are
01:03:22
putting up clips
01:03:23
>> of his bits about America or about big
01:03:25
farmer you know abortion or corporate
01:03:28
America controlling politics and you
01:03:30
realize
01:03:30
Unlike most people whose acts age out
01:03:33
and they don't really work anymore, no
01:03:35
one listens to Lenny Bruce anymore. His
01:03:37
stuff gets better and he kind of
01:03:39
predicted everything that's happening.
01:03:41
>> Yeah.
01:03:42
>> I saw him at 14, you know, we used to
01:03:43
listen to albums Steve Martin and
01:03:44
everyone
01:03:45
>> and then George Colin was in the mix and
01:03:48
I was like, "This guy's [ __ ] funny."
01:03:50
Never no aspiration to be a comedian.
01:03:52
>> Yeah.
01:03:52
>> It was too high up, too good. It was
01:03:54
just more like kids like comedy, you
01:03:56
Here's an example of a line or just
01:03:57
hitting it like everyone's into the
01:03:59
children. We got to save the children.
01:04:01
We love the children. You know WHAT I
01:04:03
SAY? [ __ ] THE CHILDREN. [ __ ] the
01:04:06
children. You go in a classroom, there's
01:04:07
one winner AND A WHOLE LOT OF LOSERS. I
01:04:09
mean, it was just so politically
01:04:11
incorrect.
01:04:12
>> Yeah. Check it out. You're all diseased.
01:04:15
>> I think another line of that is like,
01:04:16
uh, have you ever noticed that everyone
01:04:18
who's against abortion is someone you
01:04:20
wouldn't want to [ __ ]
01:04:23
You know these [ __ ] these
01:04:25
stinky [ __ ] in their [ __ ]
01:04:27
tank tops. Let's get them in a get them
01:04:29
in a field, put them on a pistol and
01:04:31
shoot HIM IN THE [ __ ] HEAD. He would
01:04:33
say that
01:04:34
>> stuff like that. I'm loosely
01:04:35
paraphrasing.
01:04:36
>> He He went hard. And in the documentary,
01:04:38
everyone debates, did he go too dark?
01:04:40
>> And oh, was did it did it get to like
01:04:42
just an angry guy as opposed to angry
01:04:44
guy being funny? I mean, and some people
01:04:46
love it and and there are people in the
01:04:48
documentary, comedians, some who say
01:04:49
they like it and some people who say I
01:04:51
think I think he he lost that for
01:04:53
>> he pass away.
01:04:54
>> He I I mean, he
01:04:56
>> he'd had heart attack.
01:04:57
>> He had a lot of heart problems and I
01:04:58
think he did
01:05:00
>> a lot of cocaine for a long time. It it
01:05:03
feels like maybe he had some sort of uh
01:05:07
>> OCD or attention issues that led to the
01:05:12
fact that he would do a lot of cocaine
01:05:14
and not hang out with people. He would
01:05:15
just write.
01:05:17
>> He loved to write. He loved words and he
01:05:18
would listen to music. But there were a
01:05:20
lot of years where he was doing that. I
01:05:23
mean, we have audio of him talking into
01:05:25
tape recorders in the middle of
01:05:26
three-day binges by himself. That's uh
01:05:29
>> Wow.
01:05:30
>> That's pretty scary. People would
01:05:31
sometimes go up to him and go, "Any
01:05:33
advice?" And he would just say, "Write
01:05:35
everything down." That was that was it.
01:05:37
>> Yeah.
01:05:37
>> Cuz he was a master of word for word.
01:05:39
>> Yeah. He didn't like riff on stage. He
01:05:41
didn't play on stage. He was poet. It
01:05:43
was like Yeah. Like he wrote like a show
01:05:46
and had to memorize it. When I saw him,
01:05:48
he would just sit before the show just
01:05:50
trying to memorize it and do it
01:05:51
perfectly. And if someone yelled
01:05:53
something out, he was not cool with it.
01:05:54
He he wanted to keep going. his lists,
01:05:57
his hooks, big shoes, little shoes,
01:05:59
brown shoes, black shoes, boy shoes,
01:06:01
girls shoes, shoes, everyone needs
01:06:03
shoes, tall shoes, boot,
01:06:05
>> you know, and he he would make these
01:06:07
crazy lists and he's in his 70s, had a
01:06:09
couple strokes, and he's just like so
01:06:11
articulate and hernia, you know,
01:06:13
>> and a what is it? A hernia and a she
01:06:17
>> Oh, I know. I know the you're talking
01:06:19
should be called a himnia.
01:06:21
>> Yeah.
01:06:22
Well, what we saw was that there was a
01:06:24
period where people got bored of him for
01:06:26
a little while. And so on Second City
01:06:29
TV, Rick Morannis would do this brutally
01:06:31
mean impression where he would say
01:06:33
things like that and do like, you know,
01:06:35
George Carlin starring in Death of a
01:06:37
Salesman and they would they would make
01:06:39
fun of him.
01:06:40
>> And there was a moment where Chi from
01:06:42
Chichin Chang said, uh, George Carlin's
01:06:45
over. All he talks about is things like
01:06:47
peas,
01:06:48
>> you know, eating your peas. And then
01:06:50
that really bothered him and it made him
01:06:52
redouble his effort. So where most
01:06:53
people came in just he just went hard
01:06:56
and said okay now I got to show you all
01:06:58
that.
01:06:58
>> I waited on him at the Circle Star at
01:07:00
the Holiday in near the Circle Star
01:07:02
Theater. Wow.
01:07:02
>> Brought him a bowl of oatmeal. Put it in
01:07:04
front of me and goes oatmeal. Drop the O
01:07:07
and you have at meal. I said give it a
01:07:09
rest Jordan. Everybody did.
01:07:10
>> There's no blue oatmeal.
01:07:12
>> There's blueberries. Oh yeah.
01:07:14
Blueberries. Strawberries.
01:07:16
>> There's no blue food.
01:07:18
>> All right. scratch that one.
01:07:20
>> You know, I I just have that theory that
01:07:21
eventually almost everyone becomes a
01:07:24
caricature of themselves in in the arts.
01:07:27
You know, like Johnny Carson had kind of
01:07:29
>> or you'd watch someone and go, "Is that
01:07:31
an impersonator or the person?" Because
01:07:33
you have your hooks and you have your
01:07:34
things and then eventually you're
01:07:36
exposed and that's when I pounce later
01:07:37
on when they're sad and used up. Then I
01:07:39
rub it in their face. But at least I'm
01:07:41
honest.
01:07:42
>> Anything left for Appatile? I have one
01:07:45
>> one last question. How do you spell
01:07:46
Appetile? Cuz I worked for the IRS.
01:07:48
>> One P. One P one
01:07:49
>> and your mom drove a red car.
01:07:50
>> Did they tease you as a kid with
01:07:51
appetite? Hey, it's Jud Appetizer. Did
01:07:53
you get any of that or?
01:07:54
>> Um, no. Not
01:07:56
>> I had Dana car keys. Dana car keys.
01:08:00
>> Dana car keys. [ __ ] Jud Appetizer.
01:08:03
That's what I would have said.
01:08:04
>> No, the I remember they used to call me
01:08:05
the nose.
01:08:07
>> Oh, things like that.
01:08:08
>> It's always weird when people are
01:08:09
anti-Semitic when every single kid in
01:08:11
your high school is Jewish, but they're
01:08:12
still anti-semitic.
01:08:15
>> That's the worst you to go. I'm a
01:08:17
self-hating white person.
01:08:19
>> Everyone can't help bullying. It's so
01:08:20
funny about bullying is
01:08:22
>> uh the bullying is worse than it's ever
01:08:23
been and all the data is in. It's bad,
01:08:26
you know? Like we think, I guess we
01:08:27
fixed it.
01:08:28
>> Makes you stronger. That's good for you,
01:08:30
kid. It's unreal. Your soul. I just
01:08:32
wonder if I was a kid and I was like 10,
01:08:34
11 years old and like Twitter existed,
01:08:37
would I be one of those [ __ ] kids
01:08:39
just trying to give everyone [ __ ]
01:08:41
Because if if I go on it, there's always
01:08:43
like people who are trying to find my
01:08:46
wound. Yeah. And and
01:08:48
>> to get your response.
01:08:49
>> Yes. And if you do respond, they're
01:08:50
always like, "Oh my god, I'm your
01:08:51
biggest fan." No matter how crying if
01:08:53
you respond.
01:08:54
>> But would I have been one of those kids?
01:08:56
Cuz I think I would have found it funny
01:08:58
potentially to just give people [ __ ]
01:09:00
>> I think you might have been until you
01:09:02
thought it tipped a kid over into self
01:09:04
harm. I don't think you seem like too
01:09:06
nice.
01:09:06
>> No, I mean mean attacking like a like a
01:09:08
someone in the public sphere.
01:09:10
>> Oh, I see.
01:09:11
People say mean things and if I block
01:09:13
him someone will say hey don't block my
01:09:16
friend he loves you and you go it was
01:09:17
the meanest f and they go he's being
01:09:19
funny but you can't even tell when
01:09:21
people are funny that your friends are
01:09:22
texting you you can't tell the tone
01:09:24
sometime
01:09:25
>> so you don't know what's going and then
01:09:26
when someone you don't know is like hey
01:09:28
[ __ ] you
01:09:29
>> you suck and then you go oh okay I don't
01:09:31
need that guy being funny what's the
01:09:34
general meanest thing they say you know
01:09:36
if anyone can find tape of Dana Carvey
01:09:39
being funny I'd to see it. You know,
01:09:41
there are certain generic put downs for
01:09:43
comedians.
01:09:44
>> No, but there's this podcast and got a
01:09:47
partner. If I promote something, they'll
01:09:49
just say, "Uh, I'll watch it if you'll
01:09:51
cut an hour out of it."
01:09:52
>> So that
01:09:55
>> this is 40 minutes too long.
01:09:56
>> The bubble
01:09:58
>> which is out when
01:09:59
>> solid two hours. Solid two hours.
01:10:00
>> Two hours and out.
01:10:01
>> Some people want 90 minutes, but the
01:10:03
other 30 is the same price. I did Master
01:10:05
of Disguise and then we had to cut it
01:10:06
down to 58 minutes because it was it
01:10:09
didn't even make sense. It was it wasn't
01:10:10
even a language because because you you
01:10:13
bailed out. You were going to do a
01:10:14
Sandler film called Mr. Pete or Sneaky
01:10:18
Pete or something.
01:10:18
>> Oh, Puka Pete.
01:10:19
>> Puka Pete. And then you got mad. So, no,
01:10:21
you were Fred Wolf had a falling out.
01:10:23
So, then I was in in line. So, I did a
01:10:26
read through and they go, "Carvey, you
01:10:27
got to go in a week." But anyway, I go,
01:10:29
"It's not even a movie. It's just words
01:10:32
on a piece of paper. We have a crew. We
01:10:34
have a crew.
01:10:35
>> It's cut to 58 minutes and then it has
01:10:37
12 minutes of fake out well outtake. So
01:10:40
it made it had to be a certain length.
01:10:43
Anyway, that's my experience with film.
01:10:44
But the bubble comes I like to promote
01:10:46
May.
01:10:47
>> April 1st.
01:10:48
>> April 1st. April Fool's Day. The bubble
01:10:51
on Netflix.
01:10:52
>> Love it.
01:10:53
>> Stick her in the head. Out now to
01:10:56
>> uh two nights ago
01:10:59
>> I you saw it.
01:11:00
>> No, I got [ __ ] I didn't want to tell
01:11:02
bum. I really sat down to watch it last
01:11:04
night. I had it on the Netflix, went to
01:11:07
the pin number
01:11:09
>> and couldn't find an email. Talked.
01:11:11
>> That's what happens in 90% of the people
01:11:13
we send it to. But you were able to
01:11:14
watch it.
01:11:15
>> You got in.
01:11:15
>> And what did you enjoy it?
01:11:17
>> I did a Wordle in under two hours
01:11:19
yesterday.
01:11:20
>> Did he get through it?
01:11:20
>> I got through it.
01:11:21
>> No. Did you get through it, David? Yeah.
01:11:23
Gave me anything.
01:11:23
>> Do you have any notes? I I
01:11:25
>> What about the ending? What did you
01:11:26
think of that trick ending?
01:11:27
>> Yeah.
01:11:27
>> Oh, where was I?
01:11:31
Come on, folks. You got to say the first
01:11:32
part. I just started to say the word
01:11:35
helicopter. I said a couple things. No,
01:11:37
but they uh
01:11:39
>> I like Keenan. I thought Kina was funny.
01:11:41
I thought uh your daughter did a great
01:11:43
job.
01:11:44
>> My daughter played your daughter in
01:11:45
love. That's the
01:11:46
>> Yeah, she was great. She was very fun on
01:11:48
the set and very non bratty. And uh she
01:11:51
plays she looks totally different.
01:11:53
>> She's very actively different hair,
01:11:55
different haircut, plays a Tik Tocker
01:11:57
and has millions of followers. They're
01:11:59
all stuck in the bubble. That looks like
01:12:01
a castle. Is that a hotel? I mean, where
01:12:03
were where did you do that?
01:12:04
>> It's called like Clifton. I guess
01:12:06
there's a famous scandal there where
01:12:07
like someone in the government had an
01:12:08
affair there that's like a you grant the
01:12:11
Beatles shot help there.
01:12:12
>> Really?
01:12:13
>> Yeah. You did over there.
01:12:14
>> Full circle.
01:12:15
>> Oh, who was the first AD that looks like
01:12:17
James Bond? Daniel Craig.
01:12:20
>> The first ad that looks like
01:12:21
>> No, he's a studio guy. Who's the guy
01:12:22
that comes in? He's always standing in
01:12:24
every seat.
01:12:24
>> Peter Saraphinowitz. Okay.
01:12:25
>> Oh, he's hysterical. He played the tick
01:12:27
in that TV show. That was the answer to
01:12:29
my uh Wordle question is
01:12:31
>> there's another jaw impression. So
01:12:33
anyway, we'll close with this. John App
01:12:36
is here. You know, uh does does a lot of
01:12:38
great movies. Um Drex Brucees, right?
01:12:40
>> I would have read all your movies, but
01:12:42
everyone knows them. They're all [ __ ]
01:12:43
If there's a pandemic or an earthquake,
01:12:45
he just goes right into work mode. I
01:12:46
don't know what it is.
01:12:47
>> He calls Scott Sub after the big one. We
01:12:49
should do an earthquake movie. He's
01:12:50
like, "Well, nothing works right now."
01:12:52
Judge,
01:12:52
>> uh Jud, it's my pleasure.
01:12:54
>> Thank you for coming.
01:12:54
>> Thanks for coming and being in house.
01:12:58
in the house. We're in space.
01:12:59
>> You know why I came? Last thing. Because
01:13:01
I don't like hearing this Zoom sound.
01:13:04
Let's get people on a real microphone.
01:13:05
So, we've had two years to figure this
01:13:07
out.
01:13:07
>> That's a That's a director that does
01:13:09
movies now.
01:13:10
>> Agree. It's a little bit like comedy
01:13:11
water boarding when you do it on Zoom.
01:13:13
You're not camp.
01:13:14
>> You guys, I want to show you one of my
01:13:15
final things to say, David.
01:13:17
>> That's it. Let's go.
01:13:20
>> Hey, what's up flies? What's up, fleas?
01:13:22
What's up, people that listen? We want
01:13:23
to hear from you and your dumb
01:13:25
questions.
01:13:25
>> Questions? Ask us anything. anything you
01:13:28
want. You can email us at
01:13:30
flyinthewallcadens13.com.
01:13:35
>> Hey Dana, hey David Spade. The question
01:13:37
is, this is from uh Yuvaldo
01:13:41
>> A Garcia.
01:13:42
>> My question is, is there a common
01:13:44
denominator to which SNL alum go on to
01:13:47
be mega stars and which don't? Or is it
01:13:49
as simple as having great characters
01:13:50
that capture America's attention, or is
01:13:53
it something deeper? This is a
01:13:54
12-parter. Well, first of all, if we
01:13:56
knew how to become mega stars, we would
01:13:58
be mega stars.
01:14:00
>> You think we're holding back on that
01:14:01
one?
01:14:02
>> Yeah, we went to the meastar uh you
01:14:05
know, symposium with Tony Robbins was
01:14:07
teaching it.
01:14:08
>> You got to get it.
01:14:08
>> His hands were as big as my whole body.
01:14:10
I accidentally went to the mega store
01:14:12
Costco
01:14:13
>> and um yeah, I would just say that
01:14:16
there's an intersection between talent
01:14:18
and the marketplace. And it's uh you
01:14:21
when you're when you're young and naive,
01:14:22
you go, well, the best band will be the
01:14:24
biggest band. That only happened once
01:14:26
and that was the Beatles.
01:14:27
>> And the best the funniest guy will also
01:14:30
make the most money. So get rid of all
01:14:32
that.
01:14:32
>> I can go to the comedy store and see
01:14:34
three people funnier than me. It's just
01:14:35
and they're not doing as well as me as
01:14:37
showbiz wise, but it just it it's a it's
01:14:40
a combination of a million things. So,
01:14:41
if you're doing well, it's it's a lot of
01:14:43
it's luck, but you I think you have to
01:14:45
bring it over and over and over because
01:14:47
everything's a [ __ ] audition. People
01:14:49
can lose faith in you somewhere along
01:14:50
the way and go, you don't got it.
01:14:52
>> Oh, yeah. Now, people go live streaming
01:14:53
movies and no one knows if it bombed or
01:14:55
whatever. But back in the day, a movie
01:14:56
star, if if that person had two bombs in
01:14:59
a row, you kind of had to go back in
01:15:01
line and then wait a lot of years. But
01:15:03
but again, all you can go back to is
01:15:05
trying to do a good job at whatever
01:15:07
you're doing. But a mega star um has a
01:15:10
mega mansion.
01:15:11
>> There's not that many left. It's me,
01:15:12
Dana, and then I can't even think of
01:15:14
anyone.
01:15:14
>> Mega stars have they don't talk about
01:15:16
the security, cyber security, physical
01:15:19
security. Uh everyone treats them weird.
01:15:22
I don't know about the goal of mear as
01:15:25
opposed to like just being funny and
01:15:26
employed. I don't know. Did you ever
01:15:28
dream about being
01:15:29
>> mear? I feel like has a tough life and
01:15:31
he would never say it himself, but I
01:15:33
feel like just everywhere you go, if you
01:15:35
connect lives with someone, they go
01:15:36
that's [ __ ] Brad Pitt and they don't
01:15:37
know how to act and they get weird and
01:15:39
even when he meets other celebrities,
01:15:41
they freak out. So that's being a mega
01:15:43
when you're in a room with other
01:15:44
>> that's it's too much energy in the room
01:15:47
and and I get starruck by fame. I mean
01:15:49
with Brad Pitt, you know, um if I met
01:15:53
him, he go, "We're going to go over here
01:15:54
and get a get some pizza." I go, "It's a
01:15:56
good plan. I like what you're doing. I
01:15:59
like being on your podcast, David,
01:16:01
because you got good whiticisms. I'm
01:16:03
Brad Pitt. I'm chiseled and tan. No, but
01:16:06
being a sex being a sex symbol, and I'll
01:16:08
let David speak to this, being a sex
01:16:10
symbol has a different energy. There's a
01:16:12
mega star just goofy comedian, but then
01:16:15
there's a mega star who's who's a sexual
01:16:17
star. Then you get guys or weirdos in
01:16:21
your bushes hiding out. It's it's a
01:16:23
>> for women especially. I'm so glad that I
01:16:26
never reached Megastar status. That's
01:16:27
all I'm saying.
01:16:28
>> I hate that I reached it so much.
01:16:30
>> I go to the grocery store and no one
01:16:31
cares. I take the mask off, the hat off,
01:16:33
I go, "Hey everybody,
01:16:35
>> I went out star route, which was stupid
01:16:39
early on."
01:16:39
>> He was a porn star for
01:16:40
>> and then wee bit of time and then I went
01:16:44
back to I just wanted to see what I
01:16:47
don't remember what my old life was.
01:16:50
I'm going to be a bus boy again. No, I
01:16:52
don't know. That's a stupid answer, but
01:16:53
thank you for asking a question and uh
01:16:55
yeah,
01:16:56
>> we've been Dana and David and we've been
01:16:58
Dumb.
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