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Jud Appattow might live near me soon. >> Really? That's a interesting little bit
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of information. >> Since we did this episode, >> I see Jud probably more than most uh
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people I see out here. And >> he still gets in the clubs, right? >> The He still does comedy clubs. Yeah. I
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saw him at a dinner thing >> and he had me drop Leslie, his lovely wife, off their mansion.
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>> He done well. Well, the kid done well. >> Yeah. Funny dude. Started with him years
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and years ago in the Valley with Adam and uh Schneider before, you know, it turned into uh working as a regular in
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the club way before SNL and then he sort of it was writing with Jim Carrey. He's
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doing a lot and then he went on to be this huge producer, director, and comic. >> Yeah. Yeah. And he talks about the that
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in this episode just the way he kind of navigated from standup to producer director of movies.
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>> Pretty interesting journey. >> Fun guy. A lot of fun stories. Here's
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Jud Appattow. >> Jud Appattow. The one and only. >> We Jud's got so much and so much in
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comedy that it's >> perfect. It's right up. Go back to >> go back. We just started
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>> and the lead and lead into this because uh confidence. Okay. This why I think of
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you. I think of here how I think of dysfunctional comedians. Yes. Wounded, upset, dramatic, dysfunctional, make the
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wrong decisions or as Leonardo would say, never stop. They do stop. They whine. They're, you know, when I think
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of someone like you or Sandler, it's just full speed ahead. I mean, did you in those early days? I mean, how did you
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like we remember when I hosted the 15th annual comedians show? >> Yes. I told you.
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>> I told you the young comedian. >> One word, Jud. Direct. >> I didn't say that.
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>> You might not have heard of it. It was a catering. >> Well, that was a big deal because that
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was the show we all wanted to get on. To me, that was like getting on the Tonight
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Show, the HBO Young comedian special. Everyone broke off of that. You were on it. I went to the taping and saw you and
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Schneider do it. And Dennis Miller hosted it. >> He hosted in the crowd was David Bowie.
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>> And that seemed like the most pressurized situation to do a set with David Bowie in the corner looking like
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Starman. It was a really exciting night in Santa Monica at this little theater that is now a bookstore.
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>> And Drake Sther had an incredible set that was >> on your set. Yeah. Yeah. Mine.
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>> Uh and >> Drake was great. >> And then I auditioned for it in New York
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at Standup New York. John Stewart was also auditioning for it. I brought all my friends from high school. John
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Stewart murdered so hard gets the show. I go on after him. You couldn't bomb
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worse. No. In front of all of my friends. >> That's the worst. And it you stack the
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crowd of it. >> I stack the crowd and even my friends were like, I don't know where to laugh.
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>> Well, how did they feel? Well, how did you deal with afterwards in the faces
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that go that was good? Good. Were they changed the review midward? >> There was nothing. There was no way for
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even them to fake that. That went >> How long did that affect you? Like a week or
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>> I could wake up in the middle of the night right now and be like, "Oh,
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>> well that was a big deal." That was There was nothing really going on and it
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was HBO. >> Yeah. >> And the Tonight Show and I tried to get on Young Comedians every year and I kept
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barely missing it. And I was a young comedian and they go, "Oh, we gave it to
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Richard Belzer this year." I'm like, "Well, isn't he 80?"
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>> Well, didn't we have we had Janine Graph on the 15th annual? >> Oh, that was yours. Yeah. What was your
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lineup? Ray Romano, >> he was the one who stole it. And even when we were shooting these like
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interstitial interviews, uh I don't even know if they used much of it. We all
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went, >> "Oh my god, Ray Romano is going to be a star." Like he found himself Yeah.
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>> in that moment. Nick is Regis. I don't do I don't I don't He really wanted me
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to. Anyway, >> wait. If that's so many that this I know we're going to talk about so many
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things. I love the young comedians because the lineups are interesting and the interstitials were interesting
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because they go HBO said just talk to the camera for a minute about whatever and that was looking back it really
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showed you had no direction on ours. >> Yeah, me too. So what do you remember
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what you even did? >> I don't remember. I just remember watching Ray do his and he was eating an
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apple while talking and just was already a master and I think I I just thought >> oh this is another level of how you do
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it >> of it and I thought I had a pretty mediocre set and I made a very big
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mistake in doing the set which is I had never been on HBO. I'd only been on like
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Comic Strip Live and Evening at the Improv where you're never allowed to curse.
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>> And I said, "I'm going to curse, >> right? Why not show?"
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And then if you watch my act, I think I just added [ __ ] everywhere >> just to be edgy and none of them were
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punchlines and out of work. And then when they would air it on Comedy Central reruns, they have to bleep all the
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curses. So it it's just a very >> I always tell young comedians, save the
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[ __ ] Don't just go, "I went to the [ __ ] store. has to be a punch line
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and if you're Jerry Seinfeld you'll you'll fight the line for a year to get
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the [ __ ] out. >> It's hard to follow a dirty comic also. And now John Stewart, last question. Do
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you look at the lineup and are you worried about following John Stewart or he kind of blindsided you?
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>> Total blindside. I don't think I knew >> his act that much back then because that
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was 1992. So I I wasn't on the east coast much so I didn't know what what was happening
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and I don't remember who else was >> was on that night but then I got it the
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next the next year and Kindler was on that and Jane Garop and Bill Bellamy. >> Bill Bellamy. Yeah.
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>> And that was >> like the week we started doing the Ben Stiller show. So I had to go to Arizona
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for >> and shoot it and then come back and we started >> you know shooting Ben show.
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>> How did you know Ben at that point? I met Ben online at Elvis Castello Unplugged.
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>> Okay. For you 92 online >> in line at a >> online or in line that's a
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>> you were physically in line >> Seinfeld bit. Uh >> yeah, >> I I was in line online and then uh Dana
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Gould was there and he intro he had met Ben before and he introduced me to Ben and then we were chatting and
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>> he very quickly mentioned that HBO wanted him to do a sketch show >> and I was like, "Oh, we should get
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together and kick that around." And we did like a day or two later and then
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sold it like a week later and everyone thought we knew each other for years and we literally had just met the week
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before and then HBO sold it to Fox. What were your credentials at that point that
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he would say, "Okay, you're good enough to do this." >> I, you know, I had just like, they were
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like stealth credentials that seemed better than they were. So, I would help people write their acts and then they
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would throw me a co-producer credit. So, I did that for Jim Carrey and Roseanne and I did a special which was a funny
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special with Dennis Miller. It was the pregame show for Paul Simon live in Central Park.
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>> All these funny shows way And so he did a half hour where they showed clips of Paul Simon before
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concert. And so I wrote, you know, the pregame show with him. >> When you write with Dennis, basically
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you're transcribing because he's so funny and you're just organizing. Sappo
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cat got some lines for me. Well, my favorite joke I wrote for him was uh we're about to start the show where Paul
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Simon >> along with his with 27 along with he goes coming up next is Paul Simon and
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the 27 musicians it took to replace art. >> That's a great line. That's very
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Dennisy. >> Coming up next 27 Paul Simon and the 27 musicians it took to replace art. Okay.
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But I uh he used to do that too. Same with >> whispered to his friend, he means scarf
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fun. >> See, it's the jaw. Everything. Carson's the jaw. That's the jaw. 99% of
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impressions are jawbased. >> Jawbased. >> Well, Dennis, uh, so I did that with
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Dennis and so that made it appear. So I had a bunch of those credits. I did like
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three Tom Arnold's specials that were like kind of like reality comedy >> and
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>> it gave the appearance that I was a producer, but really I wasn't producing.
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Would were you actively in a very healthy way unafraid had an inner confidence and sort of self-promoting in
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a normal way like I like a sense I can do this or were you like Ben so did you ever have in where were your
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insecurities? >> I was terrified. I >> you just fought through them. Huh?
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>> I just Well I mean I've talked about this before but it's interesting to talk
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about with David. >> This podcast is huge. Believe me, no one's heard it before. This is global.
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But you know, David lived down the street >> when I lived with Sandler. >> Rob Schneider lived across the street.
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>> Drake Sad lived close by. >> Drake Sader lived close by. I was writing jokes for Jim Carrey who lived
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over the hill and that was right as And then color was starting. And I >> Car was like Apple stock. You got in way
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early on that one. >> Exactly. Like the Tesla stock I thought I shouldn't buy because he was stood
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carry, you know, just like they don't got nothing. And I I definitely had that
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sneaking suspicion. Oh, I'm not as good at this on seeing guys that are better than you
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and then just surpassing them basically. >> Well, I just thought this isn't my move
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in the way that it's their move. I mean, when I remember, David, when you came to
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town with your leather jacket, fresh from >> Arizona Surfer, you were dressed like
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with Sharon Stone in the Police Academy movie. There's a new guy in town and I wasn't
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even in at the improv. I would go to the Valley improv and wait to see if someone
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didn't show up and then I would do that spot. >> Oh, cover. Oh, yeah. >> The manager, Joe Drew, was always cool.
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And you I literally remember the day that you came to town and it was like, >> oh Jesus Christ. You you could feel
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like, oh, this guy's going to do great and he looks great. >> He's got attitude. And then then
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Schneider came from San Francisco. God. Come on. >> He's doing the gym teacher bit.
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>> Yes. Set your clocks back. >> Yeah. He's doing that bit and and then
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Sandler was doing Elvis in the refrigerator and and and everyone seems to be reinventing.
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>> Ridiculous. Oh, yeah. Cuz you're like, "This kind of isn't what we saw." When I
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used to look at that improv uh chalkboard, it used to be, it would say like, "This is dating me, but it would
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be like Leno, Paul Riser, Jeff Alman, >> Ellen, maybe." Yeah. Seinfeld. And
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you're like, it was such a like first ballot hall of famers. You go Jesus. >> And but you didn't really realize it
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then. Just everyone was good, you know. >> And then but they all kind of were
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around the same age, same look. So that I got in >> 60% because I looked, you know, 17 and I
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had I had blind. >> You always had kind of confidence or you were faking it. I met you. You were like
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21 and I was like, this guy seems like he's got it all together. I know. He was
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completely wrong. But then he passed out a Jack in the Box from hypoglycemia. >> Do you remember when I
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>> Did you ever in high school say Jack off in the box? And that was the big joke
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for the guys in the Volkswagen drive. >> And you go I could go national with this
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joke. Jack off in the box. >> Jack off in the box. Hey, wait a minute. It's called Jack in the Box. Hey, that's
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a sexual. >> No, Jud. What about >> Come on, Jud. What about >> when we were you there when I passed out
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at Taco Bell? >> Well, I was I didn't see it, but it was this thing where like
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>> no one saw it. Suddenly, David has this thing where if he doesn't eat, he's
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going to he's going to go unconscious in public spaces. And then it happened in
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Saturday Night Live, right? Where they had to like wheel you out on a stretcher.
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>> That was pretty much every other week at 17. >> We were meeting to play tennis. I think
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Adam I think everyone was supposed to play tennis and then I stopped by Del Taco. What everyone does before they do
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activities. And then I think it was a combo. I was waiting in line. and I hadn't eaten and I started to feel and
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and maybe there was a dog tooth in my burrito. Something about it was like this isn't working. And then I go I
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think I just laid down on the floor in Taco Bell. No friends, nothing. No one helping me. And I'm like, "Oh, Sandler's
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not even famous. Not yet. That's not going to help me." And uh >> you knew he was going to be famous.
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>> Now I know he would have sent a chopper. >> Well, you were delicate. That's when we
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we found out you were delicate. >> You'd hang out with you and your eyes
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get real big. You go, I got to go. I got to go. just just got here. >> Let's go back to Jud for one second.
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>> I like exploring hypoglycemia in an adult. That's page one. >> But anyway, so that was, you know, the
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environment as a fan of comedy. Always a giant fan of it. >> I was smart enough to, you know, to meet
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someone like Nor McDonald and go like, >> this is another level of this, but I
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could sit I used to write jokes for Roseanne with Norm. like we both got hired to write her act together and John
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Rei and me and Norm I remember going to Roseanne's house and we would sit there
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with legal pads with Roseanne and >> you know she she would say like I want
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to do a bit about how it's it's better to suck [ __ ] than to kiss ass because at
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least when you suck [ __ ] it's like a it's a deal I'll suck your [ __ ] and then
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you'll give me something. when you kiss ass, you're doing it with the hope that
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you'll get something. And she would like she'd tell us some like theory she had
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and we would like write it down and try to turn it into a >> and so Norm was demir in a way and like
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just trying to please >> see Norm in that scenario. >> Yeah, you got to good feedback going,
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"Yeah, there's something there." >> Kiss ass [ __ ] How about that joke? You were
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smart because you were like noticing early on if you didn't think which you did make it as a comedian, but early on
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you go you were like it was Bitcoin producer credits. >> They were like worth so much you didn't
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know it and then later they just start paying off in reruns and >> well you guys never wanted to help other
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people. >> That's what it was that everyone wanted to be everyone wanted to be a star.
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>> Just hit me like it was Planet Dana from day one day. Sharp elbows, [ __ ] HELLO THAT.
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>> YEAH, but you're never going to write like jokes for other people for money. I
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had no money and I was really afraid of being broke. So I thought, no one seems to want to help anyone. And if people
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were like, "Oh yeah, they'll give you 50 bucks a joke or a couple hundred bucks
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to sit with them for a few hours." So I did that with George Wallace and and
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Taylor Negron, >> everybody. Great. You know what that you're totally right going back to
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dysfunctional comedians and if they meet a guy like you who's smart and funny
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disciplined and is gonna kind of tease out the best of them. So David actually wrote jokes for me for a short period of
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time. Remember the grumpy old man joke he wrote? >> Oh no. Go do it. >> It was I'm like in my day we didn't have
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latex condoms. Let's see. Uh we would take a bare skin and wrap it around our
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PRIVATES AND TIE IT OFF WITH A bungee cord and we use the same one over and over again. That's the way it was. We
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liked it, but for a very brief time before >> No, I think it was cuz SNL I was I
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talked to S this morning because you were coming on and uh I was saying, "Do
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you remember the sketch I wrote for Julia Sweeney?" Cuz we had talked to her
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and we started talking and I I wrote the sketch for her and she was surprised because I wasn't in it.
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>> And he goes, "Yeah, well, you're a [ __ ] writer." And I go, "Oh, that's
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right." Because we are so selfish that at the end of the day, my job was to
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write. So was Sandler. So, you're not supposed to really write for yourself there. And uh so I wrote uh for someone
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else and then I guess cuz Dennis would ask me for update jokes. You if I wrote for Grumpy Old Man, I thought that was
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such a funny hook. If I could throw some [ __ ] in, >> fine. You know, you've got great guys
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all around you. Like if I had a rewrite table, >> it is magic for a comedian who's written
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all their own stuff and knows how hard it is and you have your few hits, you repeat them over and over again, and
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then someone like Bonnie and Terry Turner or David or Robert Smiggle hands you something. I'm like, cuz I had
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written a sketch and I left it early on in SNL. I left it and Robert said, "Can
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I take a look at it?" I'm like, "Okay, who's this guy writing?" I thought I'd
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already got it. And I came in, it was like gold. I'm like, "Oh my god, it's so
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much better." The [ __ ] >> So, it's really makes sense how comedians would gravitate toward you.
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>> Well, Sandler, you know, was really smart. And that's what he did because I
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I remember first of all, I remember when he went to audition for the show. He flies to Chicago at the time. His act is
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all just like mumbling. >> So in the world Chamberlain bit >> and and he was hilarious but still hit
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and miss in the clubs. >> Like we loved it. We would sit in the back and just love it and but I I
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remember going to gigs with him where it did not go well. It was not a consistent
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situation. We all knew he would make it big. >> The last time it did not go well for
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Sandler. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember going with him to San Diego to the uh San
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Diego Improv and telling Dave Becky, who ran it at the time, oh, you got to let Sandler headline like on a Monday and
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Sandler bombed so bad for an hour and put his back against the wall and just ran it.
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>> Just annoyed. >> And so when he left to do the audition, I thought, I mean, what does Adam do? I
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mean, he doesn't do characters. I mean, what is he going to bring to the show?
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And then he gets it and suddenly like he's gone and I'm in this shitty apartment living under a stripper in the
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valley and he doesn't bring his clothes, his ID. I literally have his ID and his
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driver's license from when he left. >> I have no idea. Back then you couldn't
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do it. Like he took nothing with him. I I literally have a box in >> bring dynamite on the plane back then.
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>> You can do anything back then. And so so >> one time I forgot what this it was leading into.
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Okay. So Sandra gets there and he's trying to get on on the show >> and his strategy was to write for you.
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>> So he would he would write you an amazing sketch with someone usually someone like Smile and like in his head.
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So he'd write like whatever I think he was part of maybe the Pepper sketch. >> Oh, Pepper Boy
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and Smile probably got on that too. Yeah. >> And the other one was the one where
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you're the host who keeps making out with the people walking in the restaurant. that
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was. Yeah, that was when I was still on SNL. The other one was hosting, but Sandler Schneider went in that house.
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>> Elanto was a [ __ ] hit. Was that Christy Alley was a host >> or was it uh the other one was like, you
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lack of the juice? >> That was Smiggle and Sandler. But yeah, Elanor was the one where I had
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Victoria's arm legs up in the air and Smiggle kind of tried to say, "Don't do
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that." And I'm like, that was one of the biggest that I was just writing a phys
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physical gag. Yeah. >> And S would give himself like one joke in it, but a good joke.
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>> Yeah. >> And that's how he tried to get himself exposed, which is to let other people
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like you murder, but give himself a key thing where I think he came out in his underwear at the end of the
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>> He was rip fit, man. He's like a boxer as don't you forget about Dimacho, man.
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>> Yeah. I >> But I always found him funny and charming and and he did have a few a few
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months of connecting with the audience. Opera Man, it was so abstract. do that and I just loved it. The silliness of
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it, but when he hooked, they went with him. Boom. >> I don't think Franken loved it at Well,
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let's get back to you. So, you >> I remember him telling me about Frank
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and not liking it. He would like tell me that cuz I would always be like, "How's
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it going?" Cuz I was, you know, this was my dream to get invested out. That's
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what I was going to ask. So, when Sailor got in, they're like, "Oh my god,
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someone got in. >> They're going to pull me in at some point." And we would all be on the phone
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with Adam trying to think of uh ideas for him. and Schneider. >> I don't remember you calling asking for
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anything, but I remember talking to Schneider. >> I was crying in my office, passed out,
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sensitive, naked man was one of those. >> He was trying to figure out, you know,
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how do you how do you get on the show? How do I get my personality through? And I remember he said that one day he
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knocked on Lauren's door and Franken's in there. He says he's in his underwear.
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He put a hammer in his butt. Like he was holding a hammer in his butt. This is Al
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Franken. >> No, this is Sandler. And then he and then he just like knocked the door, opened the door and
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went like it's hammer time. >> And then they did not look amused at all. And then he walked away like he was
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just trying to find a way. >> That's just a ballsy that's very suck.
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Who would have like New York guy and like upper going to Orso and and Franken and then a guy
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walking with hammer his butt. But it was the not the changing of the guard, but it was like a bunch of guys going,
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>> "Can we try all this kind of stuff? >> I was a little different. Adam was
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different that way." And so it just was a new way, I don't know, of thinking.
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But you were right along our lines. So >> I get on with Rob, Sandler gets on. Uh I
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don't think you knew Farley and Rock back then, but So then you are very close to the show in that respect. And
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then you like it too. Uh, do you and you eventually start writing. You write you
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have you've been brought in as a guest writer. >> Well, I I would talk to Adam on the
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phone all the time. I think in the early years he was talking to Hurley who wasn't on the on the show at that point
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and we were all just trying to help load him up. So, I remember >> I remember like working on the Denise
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show sketch. >> Yeah, that was a big one >> with him. And I remember the other one I
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kicked around with him was the first uh cheap Halloween costumes. The crazy spoon head upate
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>> on up. I was like this that was [ __ ] cool. >> And that was one of the first times he
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really went full Adam where >> Yeah. That was total connected. >> Yeah.
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>> And and then I one day I sent to Adam, can I give you a sketch and just hand it
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in? Don't touch it. I just want to know if I if I was good enough. >> Oh, just like don't touch it. Yeah,
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right into the readrough file. >> I don't remember what the sketch was
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about at all, but it was a Dennis Quaid sketch and it was it went on really early in the show and they did it was it
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was like a a dinner table sketch argument of some sort and it got on like in a key place and I think did
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reasonably well and I thought, "Okay, I >> I can do this." But then
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>> I never could get the job there. Like I had the packet and I never got hired.
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>> Did you ever have a meeting one-on-one with Lauren? >> As close as I got was one day Adam
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called me and he said, >> "Hey." >> He said, "Uh, you know what? I had your
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packet and Dave and and Downey after months was holding your packet and talking to me and Schneider
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>> and he was asking about me and I was telling him that he should hire you and
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Schneider said, "I don't think he's ready. >> Shut the [ __ ] up."
00:23:10
>> Seriously? >> Yeah. >> He did. >> Yeah. And so I was like, "What?
00:23:13
>> They shovel riders in there. What do you mean? It's a try out."
00:23:17
>> But then I was like thinking about it. And of course at the time it was very
00:23:21
annoying. And then I thought later almost every good thing that's happened in my life is the result of those four
00:23:29
words. >> What? >> Like just not getting in there was why I met Stiller and did the Ben Stiller
00:23:36
show. I I could literally blame everything in my life to Rob Schneider saying he's not ready. Meeting my wife,
00:23:44
my children, like none of it would exist. >> Interesting if I went in at that time.
00:23:54
>> But later on, Roseanne hosted and I was writing jokes for her. So, I wrote her
00:23:58
monologue and I guess wrote >> that week, which is mainly the monologue. And that was really fun.
00:24:03
That's always weird because it's not weird, but sometimes they bring guests.
00:24:07
I think Martin Lawrence was the first one to do when I was there and he brought some guys and I was like, "Oh,
00:24:12
okay. It's it's almost saying you guys are bad." >> Yeah. >> But it's more just like a trust issue
00:24:17
cuz now I would love to have someone that wrote well for me around just to just to be cuz you're so alone
00:24:22
>> and to go is this [ __ ] any good? Cuz you might think it's good and they go why
00:24:26
would you do that? I go well no one's around to ask. It's literally 85 people
00:24:30
against you and they're on your team but you don't know and you're scared and
00:24:34
they might be trying to talk you into something. >> It's hard to go back when you when you
00:24:37
were lucky enough to have hit characters and you know and every time it's like in
00:24:40
the '9s when I would guest house host you'll do Bush you know you know do
00:24:46
Junior and you know and then it was like you'll do church lady and it's like 2012
00:24:51
I'm getting close to her age at least. All my characters are old. I'm still
00:24:56
younger than church lady. News flash kids. >> You're aging into >> Hey, Adam Sandler is listening right
00:25:00
now. How you doing, buddy? >> He is breaking the fourth wall. >> He didn't repeat characters when he
00:25:06
hosted, >> which was pretty I think that is sort of par for the course of >> an opera man. Maybe what did he do when
00:25:13
he I think that may be the only infomercial that crushed he did the Farley song.
00:25:18
>> The Italian uh the the Italian vacation sketch. >> Yeah. >> Uh was maybe the one.
00:25:24
>> I think my daughter loved that to me. I I [ __ ] >> well I I I haven't been able to float
00:25:29
this theory out, but since we're on Adam for a second, 2019, the year of Sandler,
00:25:33
>> I never seen anyone break show business that hard >> because first of all, his special was
00:25:38
kind of supernatural because my favorite word >> because of shooting so many times and
00:25:43
being so relaxed and so playful. >> Then he comes out with um >> Uncut Gems.
00:25:50
>> Yeah, Uncut Gems. Then he host Saturday Night Live and he destroys. So those
00:25:53
three kind of broke sh >> and he won like the indie spirit award. >> He won award
00:25:57
>> and he gave a speech that if anyone out there wants to Google something that is
00:26:01
as funny as anything can be. Adam giving a speech to all the you know snobby independent film people where they cheer
00:26:08
him like he is their favorite person has always been and then he attacks them in
00:26:15
the most hysterical way. It was a a perfect speech. It just sort of was full circle because back in the day I
00:26:21
remember Sandler just casually would say to me they hate me Carvey you know the critics thought he was they didn't get
00:26:27
him and now since it's turned it's kind of interesting to see a arc of a career
00:26:31
I have two parts >> back to Jud is a >> that's all you get Adam >> Jud is a I I had actually heard you you
00:26:36
were offered head writer at one point but that maybe that's not true >> I there was some uh sniffing around
00:26:42
>> some grumblings >> yes >> maybe it was was it too late in the game
00:26:46
>> you had too much going on >> it it Well, at the time I was about to
00:26:50
make a movie and I felt bad about bailing on the movie. That was one thing. And then I was also probably
00:27:00
nervous about what I could accomplish at the show. >> Yeah. >> You know, what you know, what can you
00:27:05
really do to the show? Uh because it's so locked in. >> It's locked into in how it's made. And I
00:27:11
I wasn't sure I had something that I could bring to it unless I could really
00:27:16
change it and it shouldn't be changed. But look what's happened since then. I
00:27:20
mean, it's just gone on and just gotten better and greater and and it and it did
00:27:24
everything it it should do. And so it just didn't feel like >> it it informs me right now just because
00:27:29
I was on it and it's still on in this huge franchise. You know, I get to ride
00:27:33
that wave. But I I'm just curious. Did you have wilderness years at all after
00:27:38
Ben Stiller? Do you have a couple years where you lost your confidence, nothing's going on, or was it pretty
00:27:42
much then you got with Chandling and that whole ride or was there times >> Well, we could talk about your Gary
00:27:48
Chandling experience because I'm really curious about that and how it informed
00:27:51
you as a filmmaker. >> The question well I I was bouncing back and forth >> to a lot of projects that weren't
00:28:00
necessarily connecting in a mass success way, but I like them. So I got to make a
00:28:06
movie with Steve Brill uh which still was in Heavyweights a Disney movie you know it cost 10 million it made 20 so it
00:28:13
didn't sink my career right >> and we loved it but you would it wasn't
00:28:18
considered successful in any way and weirdly now people really like it. >> Yeah charming and then the Steelers show
00:28:25
we loved it but it got cancelled >> won the Emmy for best show >> for Yeah. for writing and so that was
00:28:31
exciting but depressing >> and then >> uh I did Sanders for a bunch of years
00:28:39
>> and that was for me like oh I need to learn how to do this and if I'm here
00:28:43
with Gary I'll I'll learn how to write and that and that is I I think what
00:28:47
happened is just watching >> were you with the show when when I came on because I came Gary asked me to come
00:28:52
on before it had gotten on television yeah and I was doing the host thing and >> I so remember that moment
00:28:59
because you did the Smiggle sketch where you did an impression of Gary and it was
00:29:06
hilarious but not necessarily something that Gary would enjoy because there was a lot of
00:29:11
whining. What was the impression? >> Well, what what the It was hard with Gary and when he asked me to do it, I
00:29:16
said, "You want me to?" Because he wanted me to come in and do the impression to him. He goes, "Oh, yeah. I
00:29:20
love it." >> I think it's kind of like, you know, Leno goes like this sometimes. Yeah. But
00:29:24
almost never talks like that. Gary and every comedian has their hook to signal the audience
00:29:30
>> that I'm having a great time and this is really funny. So I noticed that Gary
00:29:33
would talk like this, but then when something was really funny, he would go into this pitch and I told my dog that
00:29:39
he shouldn't pee on the carpet like that. So he wouldn't go to that gear all
00:29:44
the time. Once in a while he just go up here. It's like he's having a party in
00:29:48
his brain. It was a great move. So I just did that and I had teeth and it was grotesque.
00:29:53
>> You had big hair. I had a big but so anyway. >> And so Gary I mean was it was really
00:30:00
almost the definition of Gary >> wanting it to make more fun of him. >> No that he's offended on some level by
00:30:08
it because it just goes right to the heart of maybe whatever he might think is >> the cliche way of of looking at him or
00:30:15
like he's just too boiled down to everybody though. >> Yeah. So he's whiny guy or whatever. So,
00:30:23
I mean, he's not he's not mad about it, but he's like not loving it. And then
00:30:27
you call him at some point and say, "Hey, I didn't write that. Smiggle wrote
00:30:32
it. I hope you don't feel bad." And then Gary's response was, >> "Well, let's just do an episode about
00:30:37
it." >> And then he had the writers write the episode where you guest host and you
00:30:45
keep doing an impression of him on the show and how annoyed he is at you. And that was like the meta version of Gary,
00:30:51
you know? He he has his girlfriend at the time, Linda. Yes. >> Do an episode where she's in Playboy
00:30:57
magazine. Suddenly, we're shooting with U Hefner. And then on the set, U Hefner
00:31:01
asks Linda to be in Playboy magazine. And now Gary in real life has to deal with the fact that his girlfriend is
00:31:07
going to be naked in Playboy magazine. And then the next thing you know, we're
00:31:11
all at at the Playboy mansion at a cocktail party where they have big pictures of her naked,
00:31:18
>> right? Oh, look at Oh, wow. in the middle and Gary's got to be there
00:31:24
>> suffer through it and that's what would keep happening with every person. Do you
00:31:27
remember the Hervey Villichz was on that episode? The deep plane deep plane, you
00:31:32
know, and he didn't know it was a fake talk show cuz it hadn't aired yet. But
00:31:35
anyway, that was funny. >> Here's the thing that I find very very interesting. First time like I've been
00:31:40
really bad in the two movies that I did. Um cuz 125 takes, 300 rehearsals, you know,
00:31:46
>> and it'll come to the way you do films, but Gary, we get on the set there, it
00:31:50
was pre-digital, so there's three guys with 16 millimeter. So they're covering
00:31:54
me, covering Gary, covering the twoot. And Gary's going, I'll say this, you say
00:31:58
something like that. Never experienced anything like that. So when I watch it, I go, wow, I'm actually looks like I'm
00:32:03
really acting. Yeah. So that was also a genius part. I mean, he spawned a world,
00:32:07
an industry. >> Well, because you have to be very loose. >> He liked going deep emotionally. It's a
00:32:13
little bit cringe comedy, which I think people picked up on. >> Curb is a little bit like Ricky Ju, you
00:32:18
know. And so, you know, when you got what was the first film that you directed? I directed uh The 40-year-old
00:32:25
Virgin was the first one and we would do table reads uh to try to crack it and Gary
00:32:31
>> would always come. He was so nice and he would he would pitch the fix. So I said
00:32:35
to Gary, "What do I do about masturbation?" Because wouldn't he just masturbate all
00:32:41
the time, >> right? He's a virgin. He's 40. >> And so we're in a room with like Adam
00:32:45
McKay and all these great writers and Seth and we're trying to go what would
00:32:48
he do and how do you not talk about that? >> And how do you keep it Steve Carelli?
00:32:52
So, it's not cringey with him because of his likability. >> And then Gary just goes, "Maybe we just
00:32:57
see his preparations for masturbating." And then Gary pitches out, he puts on
00:33:03
his favorite bathrobe, he takes a shower, he puts out his tissues and his creams. And and and then we put on like
00:33:09
Lionel Richie Hello underneath it. And uh and that was the scene. And and Gary would do that all the time. He he he
00:33:17
would tell you >> the great joke and the emotion, you know, because he did say to me once, I
00:33:22
think the show I think that that movie is about people >> who love each other. It's about love and
00:33:27
it's about when your friends are just trying to get laid, but you're looking
00:33:30
for love. >> Yeah. And that was his genius. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> To balance paos and comedy.
00:33:35
>> Yeah. >> Like other geniuses. Chaplain. So when when you uh I I just hear things about
00:33:41
the way you direct and I don't know if you did on that one, but you kind of >> you're running a lot because you're on
00:33:45
digital. So, you're running long, long takes, which you couldn't do with 30,
00:33:49
not back then. >> Not back then, but I don't know when you started that. And you're kind of like
00:33:53
tilting people out of their preconceived choices by sort of yelling out things. Do it like this, do it like that. When
00:33:59
did that start? Because that seems great for comedians who can improvise. >> Well, it started with Stiller at the Ben
00:34:04
Stiller Show. >> Oh, you were doing it then? Yeah, because Ben, you know, a lot of times
00:34:08
we'd just be shooting a single of Ben doing like a Tony Robbins impression >> and we would have a script, but then Ben
00:34:14
would just talk for like another 20 minutes off the top of his head >> and you just run it on film.
00:34:18
>> And we would just run it on film and and then sometimes Ben would play this agent
00:34:23
character and he would be pitching bad career advice to people like Run DMC or something like that, but he would get
00:34:30
afraid to say it to their face. So he would do a soft version and then he would tell them they were rap for the
00:34:35
day and then he would redo his single with harsher jokes >> and and then we would just riff and play
00:34:41
what else we could do. >> And then when we started doing movies we we thought oh you could do that in a
00:34:48
scene you could do that in the middle of a scene even for emotional stuff not just jokes you and we did that with
00:34:54
David on love where we just kept it loose and it's not always punchline driven. Well, I would say that for
00:35:00
anybody when you're discovering it, like sometimes when you think of a stand-up
00:35:03
bit, the best you do it is the first time you do it and then you try to get back to that. Exactly.
00:35:08
>> But when you're discovering something, the camera is rolling and you're doing
00:35:11
it for the first time, it just a lot of times gets a lot of pop. I think that's
00:35:14
what Brando was always trying to do by hiding notes and oranges on the ceiling so he just would experience it. So
00:35:22
that's all I got, David. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think some of the best philosophy
00:35:25
>> some of the best stuff I've seen just as a viewer on set is like Will Ferrell on
00:35:31
set just doing a run of alternate lines. >> Yeah. I was going to ask you that about
00:35:36
someone who and probably Will Ferrell would be one of them where you're sort
00:35:40
of watching greatness in a sense. >> Yeah. >> You know, and I I was envious that he
00:35:45
would get these long takes to do to show that, you know, it seems like so much fun. I mean, the one I was thinking
00:35:50
about, one was milk was a bad choice. >> You know, I'm in a glass case of emotion
00:35:55
in Anchor Man. That scene is just him and Adam for maybe it's just 15 minutes.
00:36:02
They know they need one line >> and they're go they get to go 15 minutes
00:36:06
to get that one magic moment >> just going crazy. Adam's yelling out stuff. Will's improvising. They've
00:36:11
written a bunch of stuff beforehand. There was one where I think it was that Rudd punches Will in the face in
00:36:18
Anchorman 2 >> and they just wanted to get funny reactions from Ron Bernie getting
00:36:23
punched in the face and Adam yells out >> after he hits you. He hit you so hard
00:36:29
you speak in foreign language after he hits you, you know, and then it turned into after he hits you, he hit you so
00:36:35
hard you're now five years old. >> And Will would just go on run after run.
00:36:41
One of that movie pops to see that, you know, at the end as many of those. There's never too many for me. Uh, just
00:36:48
to show that. And I always try to get Adam to do out takes cuz, you know, like on Grown-Ups, it's all funny people.
00:36:53
Like, come on. We're all [ __ ] around the whole time. I'm sure there's
00:36:56
something in there funny. There better be. >> Yes. >> Just And you know, cuz we do the same
00:37:01
thing. It's like, what are we doing in this thing? And we would even huddle up
00:37:04
in between and takes >> and and I'm a hoarder so like I actually feel bad if I don't find a way to get
00:37:10
those alternate jokes out >> somewhere on the I mean it used to be on the Blu-ray and the we would do we used
00:37:17
to call them loroamas and just make fiveinut reels of the alternate stuff because if I'm like I when I worked with
00:37:24
Adam on Funny People if if he's riffing I actually think it's gold and the fact
00:37:29
that it would just go in the toilet I find unbearable. I agree. We may have lost minutes from our wraparounds,
00:37:36
right, Craig? Not to compare. You're feature filmed. >> This is just a basic questions I'd ask
00:37:45
someone to do. What people >> uh the film that you were producer directed, you had a vision of it that
00:37:51
would most realized it. Um, I mean I I Yeah, I mean I do think that I did in the King of Staten Island uh I mean
00:38:03
there's Pete Davidson >> with Pete that I I do think like >> for what what was difficult about it?
00:38:09
>> Yes. >> You know, can you tell a a fictional version of his story and what he's been
00:38:14
through >> and make it funny but make you really feel it? uh like that tone for me which
00:38:21
maybe is a little more of a Hal Ashby tone which I'm always trying to figure
00:38:25
out. >> The fact that that movie works I'm really proud of because it's it's
00:38:29
balancing like grief and pain but still trying to figure out how to make people like Pete and Bill
00:38:35
>> Ashby movie do you reference in your mind? >> I always think about the last detail
00:38:40
>> because >> this ain't no hor's [ __ ] >> Yeah, exactly.
00:38:44
>> Which seen the movie? I am the goddamn >> I am the we that that's a reference with
00:38:48
my friends and with my sons. We are the [ __ ] shore patrol [ __ ] >> Yeah. I mean that energy.
00:38:54
>> Yeah. >> Where like that's a pretty long shot with no edits and it just the whole
00:38:58
movie feels so real. It feels like a documentary and I'm always trying to figure out can you do that with hard
00:39:04
comedy and have that aliveness. >> Interesting. Yeah. Good. Coming home. Did he do that too or he did? Coming
00:39:10
home. Coming home is crazy >> and amazing stuff in Coming Home where they're at meetings with veterans
00:39:16
talking about their problems and he did a lot of it with real people and improvised it and and it it's some of it
00:39:21
is remarkable and very moving. So I always think about him and I think about Paul Riser in in Diner
00:39:28
>> because he made up most of his stuff and they threw him into it >> and he created a character. It's so good
00:39:35
when you don't know for sure what you're going to say or they say you know I get
00:39:40
on some of these things. Even in sitcoms they go uh >> uh all right let's do another one and
00:39:46
just spade this time dealer's choice whatever you want >> and then and you have
00:39:50
>> 5 seconds while they walk back to the camera and say rolling and then you go
00:39:54
uh and then you just try something but it's like a movies too just do one let's
00:39:58
do one for you. >> Yeah. >> And then sometimes they will keep rolling. Maybe you do that and sometimes
00:40:04
they do them one at a time. Uh I don't mind keep rolling and and sometimes there's a guy there like there's some
00:40:10
some movies usually on Adams we have >> Schwarzen or Steve corn or someone that
00:40:15
sits by Video Village. It's a tough job. It's grueling. >> Yeah. To just to be pitching to pinch
00:40:21
extra jokes. I did that with Paul Appel on a bunch of movies. I mean from Saturday Night Live. She's remarkable at
00:40:28
the onset. >> And you get some wish to have her on this podcast. We hear her name for sure.
00:40:32
Yeah, >> she gets uh Speaking of SNL, I What would be your dream team? >> This is a [ __ ] tough question,
00:40:39
>> you know? I I think >> I' I'd like to think of the uh what
00:40:43
might have been team, >> you know, like like people that didn't get to full fruition in that space, you
00:40:52
know, the Gilbert Godfrieded, uh Robert Downey Jr., Um right uh >> Robert Downey was almost a blessing in
00:41:01
disguise that he left. Same kind of thing with you and Shine. >> He was 84 or five year.
00:41:07
>> One year. >> Yeah. >> Um you know who else was really funny? I
00:41:10
mean Terry Sweeney was so funny >> on on the show. Michaela Watkins, you know, people that were there for a year
00:41:17
like Kekner, >> you know, Jenny Slate who were who are so good and uh I mean Stiller was there
00:41:24
for like four episodes. Bob Odenkirk was there for a few seasons but never really
00:41:30
could get on as a performer. So I I always think about people who are amazing that
00:41:36
>> put together an A team kickass SNL >> Conan and Bob were writers with us and
00:41:41
um they were feature players. >> They're writer feature players and I didn't even know it for probably two
00:41:46
years because >> they did I was told you know don't you know like Shoemaker
00:41:53
or Marcy or someone says don't write yourself in right away. you know, you were here for a job and I was like lucky
00:41:58
to be there, but didn't, like you were saying earlier, writing for other people. Not that I didn't want to
00:42:03
really, I just don't didn't know how to. I only barely knew how to write for my
00:42:06
own persona, >> whatever that was. And so, I'm trying to think for Dana or think for, you know,
00:42:12
whoever else. So, that was hard. And then you get um >> I don't even know what I'm talking
00:42:17
about. I just forgot in the middle. That's all right. That's okay. I'll cover for you.
00:42:22
So, Conan >> Oh, yeah. But those guys should have been on >> and they were and then when I heard
00:42:27
their feature play I go you're not on and they would once in a blue moon write
00:42:31
something and it wouldn't get on or just give themselves three lines and I was
00:42:34
like wow this they're just getting shut out. So >> but what do you think the difference
00:42:38
was? Because certainly I know that when you and Rob and Dave uh I mean you and Rob and Sandler uh got there you were
00:42:48
intent on getting on. It wasn't like well maybe I'll be a writer and hopefully I get on. I mean there was
00:42:53
real energy like I am here to become a star show. >> Yeah, Adam for sure from day from day
00:42:59
one he had such confidence. >> I was more embarrassed to do it and they were doing it. Rob was doing it a lot
00:43:04
and I was like it's all that is it fair and then he got copy machine on which
00:43:08
wasn't even I was getting them saying don't do an update piece this week. Oh
00:43:13
you know you're here to write for people put that person as instead of you. And
00:43:16
I'm like all right I don't want to get fired. And Schneider just had balls. So
00:43:19
did Adam. He puts [ __ ] in, put [ __ ] in, and warmed down. >> I remember going to Schneider to Jerry's
00:43:24
Delhi after the copy machine hit and he was as big a star as there is. I mean, it it was justational
00:43:33
moment and it was hilarious. I mean, I also love the uh >> making you put your you put your weed.
00:43:39
>> Oh, that was a big one, too. Put your weed in there. >> Put your weed in there. And so, like
00:43:42
Schneider was the first one who really broke on the show. What was the sketch that broke you that where you thought
00:43:48
>> I haven't broken yet. >> Um, a little thing I like to call Hollywood. Was it the receptionist?
00:43:53
>> It was either that one or bye-bye. >> Bye-bye. >> Bye-bye was more overnight where I flew
00:43:59
the next day >> and I heard it >> every day for at least 10 years. Like
00:44:04
every flight for sure. Every Iraqi Pete everywhere. >> Iraqi Pete was kind of an incredible
00:44:13
swing to have that kind of moment that didn't work. It was like during the Gulf
00:44:17
War and it was just >> funny. I think it was Frank and in Adam's defense, I don't think he
00:44:23
wrote I think it was Frank and going I ra and we could have some clown like Sandler come out in a speedo or
00:44:29
something and you know it's like okay I was one time humiliated because >> I was not on for probably like 10 shows
00:44:36
and then >> I just you know people in Arizona are like you're not even on you're [ __ ]
00:44:41
obviously bombing which is kind of true and I was like no but I was and then Uh, one day after I passed out, I was
00:44:50
like walking down the hallway after my morning. And then I should have faked it more
00:44:57
during readrough just to get Lauren to go, "Oh, someone carry him out and give
00:45:00
him a sketch." So, uh, I go, "Sketch? What do you need a sketch?"
00:45:06
>> You were Were you I don't remember you being that precarious, but >> No, I wasn't. But anyway, I'm sort of
00:45:11
repainting. >> You all toured with me. Sandler toured with me. You toured with me.
00:45:16
>> Opening for Dana. It was [ __ ] great. >> John Stewart open for me. Dave
00:45:19
Chappelle, >> that was a good shows. >> Uh, yeah, >> I knew. Yeah, you could tell right away.
00:45:24
>> By the way, Dana had no trouble following me. I would go on and I would
00:45:27
do pretty bad. >> I was go in that special in those days. >> And then he walk
00:45:31
push me in the wall. >> If we're to be honest, Dana is still way better than all of you by far.
00:45:40
>> Like, it's not even a question, right? >> I wonder. Is this going to be recorded?
00:45:43
>> This is the watched it all. I mean, you guys all kill it, but Dana Dana, it's
00:45:48
it's other it's other level stuff. Beetles explaining technology. >> It doesn't get funnier than that.
00:45:54
>> Well, you know, you know the thing thing about Jud, you know, he's a filmmaker.
00:45:59
You makes a lot of pictures. You go in the cinema, you know, with the popcorn, whatever. They look up, everybody's
00:46:04
happy, laugh, laugh, laugh, and then a little bit of a tear. They want to see it again a week later. Sorry. I love
00:46:10
being a beetle. >> Yeah. I would never follow. That's like if you go, we're going to do this show
00:46:16
and these people are going on a great >> That was my one move. Once I got there
00:46:20
after failure before and after, but I have a great blessed life. >> When I got there after a little bit of
00:46:25
time, I thought, damn, I'm a fish in water now. I'm like, this this really
00:46:30
fits what I do. The clubs was even tough sometimes cuz I had no jokes. Yeah. >> I literally had not one punchline. It
00:46:36
was all rhythms. >> Before you got to know, but but when I got there, oh, they want characters,
00:46:40
impressions, and catchphrases. I got that when you >> I remember seeing you at Igbies before
00:46:45
you got SNL and uh and that was a great small club that's now a strip club and I
00:46:50
remember seeing George Carlin >> perform there. Great. But I I'll tell
00:46:55
you I mean watching you reduce like a person to what the impression was was always amazing like what what is your
00:47:01
take on it? But the Biden that you do when I saw you do Biden on maybe was on Coobe or something and I thought, "Oh my
00:47:08
god, Dana quietly has a better Biden than everybody." >> Come on. Here's a deal. Let's get real.
00:47:14
And guess what? Guess what? We did those things as America. We're going to do
00:47:18
better. We're going to do better. I like the yelling Biden now. And then the
00:47:21
whisper. We know how to reduce the deficits of people. Come on, folks. Number one, what the guy said. Number
00:47:27
two, the two-part. Number three, you know the drill. >> It's not rocket science. Come on. We
00:47:32
could do better. We'll do it. Come out. >> What about >> He's I'm still learning him.
00:47:36
>> What about when Camala Harris was in this I just saw a clip of her and she
00:47:40
starts she always has a nervous laugh. She's like the Joker. She's like they're
00:47:44
like they're bombing Ukraine. She's like she's like you wouldn't get it.
00:47:48
>> Well, I just wonder what it' be like to be married to her cuz she's she's very
00:47:54
attractive and she's so cheerful. Be like, "Hey, Camala, >> we're going to have breakfast.
00:48:01
I mean, it seems like a really nice watch. >> Nervous laughing is troubling.
00:48:06
>> It's troubling. It's >> It is a deeply troubling thing. >> Oh, wait. Let me go. I'm skimm down
00:48:12
here. Come on. Shh. Everybody shut up. >> Let's get some questions. >> This one's funny. 2007 Entertainment
00:48:17
Weekly did the smartest people in Hollywood. And guess what? Jud got number one. What the [ __ ]
00:48:23
>> Who was number two? I think I beat Will Smith that year. >> I'm sure you beat Well, you beat
00:48:27
everybody, but you beat everyone in Hollywood. This is unbelievable. >> You're going really deep in research
00:48:32
that because that's the kind of thing that happens and you go, "God, I wish
00:48:34
people talked about it more." Like, no one talks about that in 2007. >> Well, it seems like you're like, we had
00:48:40
it with Ben Stiller, too, where we looked at his IMB and it's like Ben, you're kind of like, whoa. And you have
00:48:45
kind of the same thing like, oh, he's there, he's producing, he's directing.
00:48:48
It's like the resume is so big. >> I had to take a nap after I read it.
00:48:51
>> I have a question. Just point. >> No, I have a question not about Jud.
00:48:55
This will be great. >> Okay. Jud, your daughter Ma, who you might not know this, she's on a show
00:49:00
called Euphoria. >> Yes, I've seen I've seen a few >> is a Showtime or
00:49:06
>> uh HB. >> Every time I watch it, I think I know Spades watching it around.
00:49:10
>> I am I watch one and I was >> horrified, Jud. >> I haven't seen that many naked wieners
00:49:17
since my fraternity hazing. >> I was watching it and I was like, what? This is what they're watching. What
00:49:23
happened to Leverne and Shirley? And where is the simpler time? I think it's
00:49:27
all chang but first of all huge deal that mod I saw her on that and I saw um >> Iris was in the bubble
00:49:36
>> and Iris was in the bubble which comes out April 1st on >> bubble. Yeah,
00:49:42
>> the bubble is uh my attempt to do something during >> the pandemic.
00:49:48
>> So what point of the pandemic did it hit you and when did you start shooting it?
00:49:52
because the pandemic >> you would even be allowed to shoot it. >> Well, now I look back and I think it's
00:49:58
almost like a nervous breakdown to want to make something during it because the the
00:50:05
pandemic started in March. >> Yeah. >> And by a year from there, I was almost
00:50:10
done filming the movie. >> And so you had >> you got it going that fast.
00:50:14
>> Yeah. It was a very I think maybe I had a manic episode. >> Were you leading with the protocols
00:50:20
then? You had green light for film sets and actual bubbles. >> Yeah, you were you were inventing it as
00:50:25
you went along in a way, right? >> We were making a movie about making a movie in the bubble while making fun of
00:50:32
the protocols, but also doing the protocols >> and making fun of the need to make a
00:50:39
movie due to your ego or your madness. Like that no one needs a movie. There's
00:50:43
something more important happening. And who are mocking people who feel it's
00:50:47
necessary while actually doing it. The whole thing is very hypocritical. >> Can we make sure we edit that out and
00:50:53
put it on Instagram because that's the most meta that's like hyper meta.
00:50:57
>> Like we have a fake uh co supervisor in the movie who gives terrible advice
00:51:02
>> and then does he's a real co adviser. >> I mean the real co adviser is giving the
00:51:06
same speech 5 minutes before the fake one is shot for the movie. You say, "Look at this clown that we're making
00:51:12
fun of." And then you go, "Well, let's bring out the real guy who's exactly the
00:51:15
same." >> And we're all wearing masks. And then the actors are like chewing their masks
00:51:18
in the scene and not wearing them on their ears. And we're making fun of how
00:51:21
no one's wearing the mask. And so the whole experience was strange that way.
00:51:26
But it started because I was really getting stir crazy and I was walking on the beach lot with my friend uh Brent
00:51:33
Forester who wrote for The Simpsons in The Office. And one day we were like, we should just think of stuff. Like we're
00:51:38
walking for hours every day. >> Wasted thinking and walking. >> Yeah. So we started talking about the
00:51:44
NBA bubble and that started making us laugh like all those guys are stuck in that hotel. What is that like in that
00:51:50
hotel? >> And then then I thought, oh, this is almost like a Christopher Guest movie.
00:51:56
>> Yes. you know, where all the actors are stuck in a hotel >> trying to make a movie and having a
00:52:03
nervous breakdown and then they're making a flying dinosaur action movie and they think it's important they're
00:52:09
not tuned into what's happening and they're having nervous breakdowns and
00:52:12
having sex with each other and doing drugs and >> how was it received when you who'd you
00:52:16
pitch it to and how did they receive it? especially all the CGI and all all the big stuff. And
00:52:21
>> I mean, I told Netflix and >> Ted Sandos, our best friend, >> I told I told Scott Stewart uh and he
00:52:29
certainly got the joke and said, "Let's go do it." And I said, "I I'll write a
00:52:33
script, but I'll I'll need to be rewriting all through it because it happened very fast." And I hired people
00:52:39
that I thought could change on their feet. >> You had uh >> who's the young lady that was in uh
00:52:44
Sasha's last movie? Maria Baklova is in it and Karen Gillan and Keegan. Michael
00:52:49
Key and Leslie and Iris and Arman is in Kon. >> She's good. >> She's incredible.
00:52:56
>> Was funny. She's really great. >> Yeah. She plays the head of the studio.
00:53:00
So every time she checks in to see how it's going, she's on safari or she's
00:53:04
skiing and she's just around the world. >> She's one of the rich people that like
00:53:06
sort of is skipping the whole quarantine. >> Exactly. And so um >> but we didn't have any cases the entire
00:53:12
shoot. >> Interesting. We just, >> you know, because it was only two sets.
00:53:18
It was a green screen sound stage and the hotel. >> When did the vax come in, by the way?
00:53:23
When during the filming or when did the vaccine emerge? Were you already filming
00:53:26
or did you have two shots and a booster? >> I never got vacc because I was in
00:53:30
England and I couldn't get it in England. But around February in the middle of the shoot, you people would
00:53:36
walk up to you and say, "I got a call that I can get a vaccination at 10 tomorrow, so I'm not coming in."
00:53:41
>> And that's how it works in England. You have an appointment and you just go. It
00:53:44
could be like that. You know, the cinematographer is like, "Yeah, I'm not
00:53:47
here tomorrow." >> And then slowly the crew >> and then I'm going to feel like [ __ ] for
00:53:50
a while. >> Brits are like that. >> I'm not going to get the I'll get the
00:53:54
job tomorrow for the best. I'll just do it. As long as you guys as long as he smiles.
00:54:01
>> He's given us so much joy. >> Is Lennon different than Paul? >> Lennon is very very cryptic down here.
00:54:06
How is it Paul? Who's great? You know, we're having a good time down here. How
00:54:10
are you? I don't know. you know, just looking around, whatever. I don't want
00:54:13
to do anymore. >> I like that. You don't mind one where he talks to Paul.
00:54:16
>> How would Paul explain uh Tik Tok to John? >> It's very short little clippy things,
00:54:22
you know, where people put something on funny and they dance around. Takes about
00:54:26
10 seconds. And if you do it, you're a star all over the world. We did Abby Road. We did the White Oak. That's
00:54:32
what's going on. But, you know, it's like Kanye West. Who's that? He's sort
00:54:36
of a talkie singer. He's a bit maybe crazy. I don't know. Who was who was he? Did he have a woman?
00:54:43
He had a woman named Kim Kardashian for a while. What did she do? >> Oh, you know, she take pictures of her
00:54:49
bottom. You know, >> how did she take pictures of her bottom? Well, with a little a little, you know,
00:54:54
have a little television camera in your pocket called an iPhone. When she happened to go working, she took a
00:54:59
bottom out and she take a picture of it doing the whole bit. What's so special about her bottom? It's
00:55:05
it's it's not a normal bottom. It's a bottom 2.0. It's like God made a fanny
00:55:10
and attached a person is an aptathon. The whole family's doing the old show in
00:55:14
the Baltams taking pictures. One man got so frustrated he became a woman. Boom. >> That's all I got. We don't have to keep
00:55:22
it in here, but I like to entertain the entertainer. >> I'm here just for that. One of the great
00:55:27
things I watched in the last few years pre- pandemic was you uh and Bill her and Melany at Largo doing an unproduced
00:55:37
sketch >> which was uh Casey Kasem and his son who don't get along. What was the premise of
00:55:43
it? >> Yeah. They don't get along as a narrative. >> We all did it first.
00:55:47
>> Yeah. >> Yes. And it completely bombed on Saturday Night Live. like dead silence
00:55:52
and then we just got revenge at Largo by doing the exact same. Son, you're a
00:55:56
waste of space. You don't really do much with your life at all, do you? Dad, I
00:56:01
know you're right about that. You know, it's that kind of thing back and forth
00:56:05
laid there at SNL killed in front of 300 people. >> But I remember that dinner and I
00:56:10
remember that we were the check came and we were looking around. >> Who took it?
00:56:14
>> We checked celebrity net worth and >> Did you >> Did I pay or did it pay? I you paid but
00:56:20
I almost always so I I was I was kind of >> I have a picture of us from that night.
00:56:24
Let's look at the clip. >> Yeah, >> let's put that on Instagram.
00:56:29
>> I maybe it was it should have been. It was a pretty solid Thursday. >> This might be kind of awkward, but I'd
00:56:33
like to do another long McCartney. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> All right. >> I'd like to do the last 15 minutes of my
00:56:39
special. The uh the other thing I did want to mention because uh I do have to promote something is I I put out this
00:56:45
book for charity. I had the first book, Sick in the Head, and the money goes to 8.26, which is a
00:56:52
>> a charity that gives free tutoring to kids. Like kids could just walk in this
00:56:55
place and they get free tutors. >> Free books to kids. >> We pay a lot of money for that.
00:56:59
>> Tutor is a tutor. And when when I was doing SNL, she would tutor kids downtown,
00:57:05
>> underprivileged kids, my wife Paula. >> Yeah. And that's how in the hell do you
00:57:08
know how to teach someone English? Cuz she went to a good Catholic school. I mean, could you teach English to a kid,
00:57:14
a 5-year-old, a three-year-old? I mean, >> build the grammar and know what a
00:57:17
dangling participle is. >> I barely got my kids through through anything schoolwise. Uh, and there were
00:57:23
many, many tutors involved. So, this book pays for these centers. We give all the money away. And so, the new book,
00:57:29
Sicker in the Head, >> Yes. >> has like, uh, you know, Sasha Baron Cohen and Nathan Fielder and Whoopi
00:57:35
Goldberg and Letterman. And >> so, what's the general narrative of it?
00:57:38
>> The narrative of is that during the pandemic, I realized that everyone was
00:57:41
home and available to do this. So all these people that I thought wouldn't normally do an interview with me had no
00:57:47
excuse to say no cuz I knew they were home. >> That's the thinking. >> And so I called, you know, Lyn Manuel
00:57:52
Miranda and Letterman and people like that that might normally be too busy and >> and they have no excuse.
00:57:57
>> Yeah. And also it was kind of an emotional interview because everyone was
00:58:00
really thinking about their lives at the time. So the >> be more vulnerable.
00:58:08
>> Could I make an observation? Yeah. During the pandemic, uh, I did the sourdough, I did the puzzles, I did
00:58:13
Scrabble, watched a lot of movies. >> Yeah. >> You made a movie and wrote a book.
00:58:17
>> Yes. >> Should I see? Should I talk to a therapist? I mean, I did. I think I had
00:58:22
two years to do something. >> Yeah. I realized that the because I'm promoting the book, the movie, and then
00:58:28
in May, me and my friend Michael vonfigo made a two-part George Carlin documentary for so I thought maybe I had
00:58:35
a nervous breakdown for two straight years >> in one and work was the way to deal with
00:58:40
it, >> I guess, because at the time it didn't feel like I was working that much, but
00:58:44
probably. >> But you were busy. You seem to be always shooting. Yeah. and and to stop in your
00:58:49
tracks on a dime. Like one day we were working that show Lights Out and they go just go in for the weekend and we're
00:58:54
going to have a no audience on Monday, which we thought was weird. And then it even that fast by Monday.
00:59:00
>> Yeah. >> Don't come back in. >> You know, we have a twoe lockdown and
00:59:04
we're in the third year of our twoe lockdown. So, >> and I used to listen to all of your
00:59:08
interviews with the cast of Tiger King. >> Oh, yeah. That's right. >> Cuz you you got everybody.
00:59:12
>> I know. It was so weird. >> And you got that reporter who had all
00:59:15
his tapes burned. That was an incredible interview with that guy. He he was like,
00:59:19
"This stuff actually isn't funny. They're really just >> torturing and killing all these animals
00:59:24
and he he was the only one who really told the truth." >> Dana, you don't even know. I did a deep
00:59:28
dive. I was the wolf blitz. >> I remember the tiger interviews. >> It was just sort of
00:59:32
>> Pentagon papers. >> I just hit him up on Instagram. Some of these people we just found him and said,
00:59:35
"Do you want to do it?" And they go, "It was mostly because of Joe Dirt."
00:59:38
>> Yeah. Oh, because you >> they all like Joe Dirt. Yeah. So they go, "Oh, I'm one I'm one of them and I'm
00:59:45
not going to go after him." And I didn't really I let them tell their story.
00:59:48
>> Children is huge in sort of the whatever you call that part of the country.
00:59:52
>> The world redneck >> the world. >> While I'm in your house, something paid
00:59:57
off. >> Well, you know, because I have seven Joe Dirt posters on the way to the podcast.
01:00:01
>> So, the Tiger King himself loves Joe Dirt. >> I That's what I've heard. Yeah.
01:00:06
>> Yeah. But uh >> I I never really chased after trying to play him because it was kind of like Jod
01:00:12
and it didn't seem that fun or appealing, but it was so fun to watch it during then and be a part of it all and
01:00:18
it was such a it was like the first big thing during the uh the break. >> Have you seen the new one? I mean, one
01:00:24
just came out with Kate McInnon and >> John Cameron Mitchell. >> I haven't seen it. I don't know.
01:00:28
>> I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it. I I Yeah, it's that's fascinating. But I
01:00:33
actually really enjoyed those interviews cuz you went deep with everyone. So we watched this thing which always felt
01:00:38
watered down. When I watched it, I always thought this is so much worse than this. And then you would you would
01:00:45
get real conversations with people where they laid it out. So I I implore everyone to go down that. That's a good
01:00:51
YouTube well to watch. >> Yeah, they were nice. I'm like, when that tiger chewed off your arm, did you
01:00:56
feel like were you allowed to take a lunch break after? >> She went back to work after that.
01:01:00
>> She did. She went back. That was interesting. I was like you. Yeah. >> It's interesting how things become such
01:01:05
cultural phenomenon. So like a wildfire like Squid Game after that talking about
01:01:09
Netflix now. Just like boom. Everyone has to see it. Everyone talks about it. A fury frenzy. And then can I ask you a
01:01:15
question? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Cuz I'm I'm such fascinated by George
01:01:18
Carlin. When did you do a documentary? Okay. Bubble. When's uh bubble come out?
01:01:24
The bubble. >> April 1st. >> April 1. The book is out now. the book you can preary and then the documentary
01:01:29
which about George >> Carlin >> May like 2015. >> What did you take away from that? What
01:01:34
did you discover about George Carlin that you might not have known? What was your sense after doing a deep dive on
01:01:38
him? >> I didn't really I didn't really know that much about him because he never
01:01:42
mentioned his family and his act. He had no jokes about his wife or his daughter.
01:01:46
>> Yeah. >> And so I thought, well, how I don't know him. Sure. >> How could I even tell weird or was he
01:01:52
pretty normal? Well, he was a guy that grew up in New York. He he his dad used to,
01:01:59
>> you know, beat up his older brother and and there's a lot of alcoholism and the
01:02:05
mom ran away with the kids and moved to upstate upstate New York in the 50s. uh and
01:02:14
maybe even the late 40s and then she had to raise him alone and then he loved like radio and Danny Kay
01:02:22
>> and got into everything through that. But the fascinating part is you know he
01:02:26
had a very corny career in the beginning very variety show for a while and then at
01:02:32
some point like Richard Prior he just became himself and grew a beard and long hair and got got very edgy. Then he kind
01:02:40
of ran out of gas and got soft again. Had a heart attack and and talked about his stuff and that those bits were great
01:02:47
but also very soft. And then he saw Kenisonson. This is the thing we learned. >> What was Kenisonson the hook?
01:02:52
>> He saw Kenisonson and he said I'm not going to be soft compared to him and
01:02:56
then he went for the rest of his life he just out. You were all diseased is a >> Are you talking about post like uh the
01:03:06
seven words that 90s he he went really still funny at least in you were all diseases really
01:03:14
funny >> really dark but also the reason why we made it was because if you go online
01:03:18
whenever anything happens in the news George Carlin trends and so people are putting up clips
01:03:23
>> of his bits about America or about big farmer you know abortion or corporate
01:03:28
America controlling politics and you realize Unlike most people whose acts age out
01:03:33
and they don't really work anymore, no one listens to Lenny Bruce anymore. His
01:03:37
stuff gets better and he kind of predicted everything that's happening. >> Yeah.
01:03:42
>> I saw him at 14, you know, we used to listen to albums Steve Martin and
01:03:44
everyone >> and then George Colin was in the mix and I was like, "This guy's [ __ ] funny."
01:03:50
Never no aspiration to be a comedian. >> Yeah. >> It was too high up, too good. It was
01:03:54
just more like kids like comedy, you Here's an example of a line or just hitting it like everyone's into the
01:03:59
children. We got to save the children. We love the children. You know WHAT I SAY? [ __ ] THE CHILDREN. [ __ ] the
01:04:06
children. You go in a classroom, there's one winner AND A WHOLE LOT OF LOSERS. I
01:04:09
mean, it was just so politically incorrect. >> Yeah. Check it out. You're all diseased.
01:04:15
>> I think another line of that is like, uh, have you ever noticed that everyone
01:04:18
who's against abortion is someone you wouldn't want to [ __ ] You know these [ __ ] these
01:04:25
stinky [ __ ] in their [ __ ] tank tops. Let's get them in a get them in a field, put them on a pistol and
01:04:31
shoot HIM IN THE [ __ ] HEAD. He would say that >> stuff like that. I'm loosely
01:04:35
paraphrasing. >> He He went hard. And in the documentary, everyone debates, did he go too dark?
01:04:40
>> And oh, was did it did it get to like just an angry guy as opposed to angry
01:04:44
guy being funny? I mean, and some people love it and and there are people in the
01:04:48
documentary, comedians, some who say they like it and some people who say I think I think he he lost that for
01:04:53
>> he pass away. >> He I I mean, he >> he'd had heart attack.
01:04:57
>> He had a lot of heart problems and I think he did >> a lot of cocaine for a long time. It it
01:05:03
feels like maybe he had some sort of uh >> OCD or attention issues that led to the
01:05:12
fact that he would do a lot of cocaine and not hang out with people. He would just write.
01:05:17
>> He loved to write. He loved words and he would listen to music. But there were a
01:05:20
lot of years where he was doing that. I mean, we have audio of him talking into tape recorders in the middle of
01:05:26
three-day binges by himself. That's uh >> Wow. >> That's pretty scary. People would
01:05:31
sometimes go up to him and go, "Any advice?" And he would just say, "Write
01:05:35
everything down." That was that was it. >> Yeah. >> Cuz he was a master of word for word.
01:05:39
>> Yeah. He didn't like riff on stage. He didn't play on stage. He was poet. It
01:05:43
was like Yeah. Like he wrote like a show and had to memorize it. When I saw him,
01:05:48
he would just sit before the show just trying to memorize it and do it perfectly. And if someone yelled
01:05:53
something out, he was not cool with it. He he wanted to keep going. his lists, his hooks, big shoes, little shoes,
01:05:59
brown shoes, black shoes, boy shoes, girls shoes, shoes, everyone needs shoes, tall shoes, boot,
01:06:05
>> you know, and he he would make these crazy lists and he's in his 70s, had a
01:06:09
couple strokes, and he's just like so articulate and hernia, you know, >> and a what is it? A hernia and a she
01:06:17
>> Oh, I know. I know the you're talking should be called a himnia. >> Yeah.
01:06:22
Well, what we saw was that there was a period where people got bored of him for a little while. And so on Second City
01:06:29
TV, Rick Morannis would do this brutally mean impression where he would say things like that and do like, you know,
01:06:35
George Carlin starring in Death of a Salesman and they would they would make fun of him.
01:06:40
>> And there was a moment where Chi from Chichin Chang said, uh, George Carlin's
01:06:45
over. All he talks about is things like peas, >> you know, eating your peas. And then
01:06:50
that really bothered him and it made him redouble his effort. So where most people came in just he just went hard
01:06:56
and said okay now I got to show you all that. >> I waited on him at the Circle Star at
01:07:00
the Holiday in near the Circle Star Theater. Wow. >> Brought him a bowl of oatmeal. Put it in
01:07:04
front of me and goes oatmeal. Drop the O and you have at meal. I said give it a rest Jordan. Everybody did.
01:07:10
>> There's no blue oatmeal. >> There's blueberries. Oh yeah.
01:07:14
Blueberries. Strawberries. >> There's no blue food. >> All right. scratch that one.
01:07:20
>> You know, I I just have that theory that eventually almost everyone becomes a
01:07:24
caricature of themselves in in the arts. You know, like Johnny Carson had kind of
01:07:29
>> or you'd watch someone and go, "Is that an impersonator or the person?" Because
01:07:33
you have your hooks and you have your things and then eventually you're exposed and that's when I pounce later
01:07:37
on when they're sad and used up. Then I rub it in their face. But at least I'm
01:07:41
honest. >> Anything left for Appatile? I have one >> one last question. How do you spell
01:07:46
Appetile? Cuz I worked for the IRS. >> One P. One P one >> and your mom drove a red car.
01:07:50
>> Did they tease you as a kid with appetite? Hey, it's Jud Appetizer. Did
01:07:53
you get any of that or? >> Um, no. Not >> I had Dana car keys. Dana car keys.
01:08:00
>> Dana car keys. [ __ ] Jud Appetizer. That's what I would have said.
01:08:04
>> No, the I remember they used to call me the nose. >> Oh, things like that.
01:08:08
>> It's always weird when people are anti-Semitic when every single kid in
01:08:11
your high school is Jewish, but they're still anti-semitic. >> That's the worst you to go. I'm a
01:08:17
self-hating white person. >> Everyone can't help bullying. It's so
01:08:20
funny about bullying is >> uh the bullying is worse than it's ever been and all the data is in. It's bad,
01:08:26
you know? Like we think, I guess we fixed it. >> Makes you stronger. That's good for you,
01:08:30
kid. It's unreal. Your soul. I just wonder if I was a kid and I was like 10,
01:08:34
11 years old and like Twitter existed, would I be one of those [ __ ] kids just trying to give everyone [ __ ]
01:08:41
Because if if I go on it, there's always like people who are trying to find my
01:08:46
wound. Yeah. And and >> to get your response. >> Yes. And if you do respond, they're
01:08:50
always like, "Oh my god, I'm your biggest fan." No matter how crying if
01:08:53
you respond. >> But would I have been one of those kids? Cuz I think I would have found it funny
01:08:58
potentially to just give people [ __ ] >> I think you might have been until you
01:09:02
thought it tipped a kid over into self harm. I don't think you seem like too
01:09:06
nice. >> No, I mean mean attacking like a like a someone in the public sphere.
01:09:10
>> Oh, I see. People say mean things and if I block him someone will say hey don't block my
01:09:16
friend he loves you and you go it was the meanest f and they go he's being funny but you can't even tell when
01:09:21
people are funny that your friends are texting you you can't tell the tone sometime
01:09:25
>> so you don't know what's going and then when someone you don't know is like hey
01:09:28
[ __ ] you >> you suck and then you go oh okay I don't need that guy being funny what's the
01:09:34
general meanest thing they say you know if anyone can find tape of Dana Carvey being funny I'd to see it. You know,
01:09:41
there are certain generic put downs for comedians. >> No, but there's this podcast and got a
01:09:47
partner. If I promote something, they'll just say, "Uh, I'll watch it if you'll
01:09:51
cut an hour out of it." >> So that >> this is 40 minutes too long.
01:09:56
>> The bubble >> which is out when >> solid two hours. Solid two hours.
01:10:00
>> Two hours and out. >> Some people want 90 minutes, but the other 30 is the same price. I did Master
01:10:05
of Disguise and then we had to cut it down to 58 minutes because it was it didn't even make sense. It was it wasn't
01:10:10
even a language because because you you bailed out. You were going to do a Sandler film called Mr. Pete or Sneaky
01:10:18
Pete or something. >> Oh, Puka Pete. >> Puka Pete. And then you got mad. So, no,
01:10:21
you were Fred Wolf had a falling out. So, then I was in in line. So, I did a read through and they go, "Carvey, you
01:10:27
got to go in a week." But anyway, I go, "It's not even a movie. It's just words
01:10:32
on a piece of paper. We have a crew. We have a crew. >> It's cut to 58 minutes and then it has
01:10:37
12 minutes of fake out well outtake. So it made it had to be a certain length. Anyway, that's my experience with film.
01:10:44
But the bubble comes I like to promote May. >> April 1st. >> April 1st. April Fool's Day. The bubble
01:10:51
on Netflix. >> Love it. >> Stick her in the head. Out now to >> uh two nights ago
01:10:59
>> I you saw it. >> No, I got [ __ ] I didn't want to tell bum. I really sat down to watch it last
01:11:04
night. I had it on the Netflix, went to the pin number >> and couldn't find an email. Talked.
01:11:11
>> That's what happens in 90% of the people we send it to. But you were able to
01:11:14
watch it. >> You got in. >> And what did you enjoy it? >> I did a Wordle in under two hours
01:11:19
yesterday. >> Did he get through it? >> I got through it. >> No. Did you get through it, David? Yeah.
01:11:23
Gave me anything. >> Do you have any notes? I I >> What about the ending? What did you
01:11:26
think of that trick ending? >> Yeah. >> Oh, where was I? Come on, folks. You got to say the first
01:11:32
part. I just started to say the word helicopter. I said a couple things. No, but they uh
01:11:39
>> I like Keenan. I thought Kina was funny. I thought uh your daughter did a great
01:11:43
job. >> My daughter played your daughter in love. That's the >> Yeah, she was great. She was very fun on
01:11:48
the set and very non bratty. And uh she plays she looks totally different. >> She's very actively different hair,
01:11:55
different haircut, plays a Tik Tocker and has millions of followers. They're
01:11:59
all stuck in the bubble. That looks like a castle. Is that a hotel? I mean, where
01:12:03
were where did you do that? >> It's called like Clifton. I guess there's a famous scandal there where
01:12:07
like someone in the government had an affair there that's like a you grant the
01:12:11
Beatles shot help there. >> Really? >> Yeah. You did over there. >> Full circle.
01:12:15
>> Oh, who was the first AD that looks like James Bond? Daniel Craig. >> The first ad that looks like
01:12:21
>> No, he's a studio guy. Who's the guy that comes in? He's always standing in
01:12:24
every seat. >> Peter Saraphinowitz. Okay. >> Oh, he's hysterical. He played the tick
01:12:27
in that TV show. That was the answer to my uh Wordle question is >> there's another jaw impression. So
01:12:33
anyway, we'll close with this. John App is here. You know, uh does does a lot of
01:12:38
great movies. Um Drex Brucees, right? >> I would have read all your movies, but
01:12:42
everyone knows them. They're all [ __ ] If there's a pandemic or an earthquake,
01:12:45
he just goes right into work mode. I don't know what it is. >> He calls Scott Sub after the big one. We
01:12:49
should do an earthquake movie. He's like, "Well, nothing works right now."
01:12:52
Judge, >> uh Jud, it's my pleasure. >> Thank you for coming. >> Thanks for coming and being in house.
01:12:58
in the house. We're in space. >> You know why I came? Last thing. Because
01:13:01
I don't like hearing this Zoom sound. Let's get people on a real microphone.
01:13:05
So, we've had two years to figure this out. >> That's a That's a director that does
01:13:09
movies now. >> Agree. It's a little bit like comedy water boarding when you do it on Zoom.
01:13:13
You're not camp. >> You guys, I want to show you one of my final things to say, David.
01:13:17
>> That's it. Let's go. >> Hey, what's up flies? What's up, fleas?
01:13:22
What's up, people that listen? We want to hear from you and your dumb questions.
01:13:25
>> Questions? Ask us anything. anything you want. You can email us at flyinthewallcadens13.com.
01:13:35
>> Hey Dana, hey David Spade. The question is, this is from uh Yuvaldo >> A Garcia.
01:13:42
>> My question is, is there a common denominator to which SNL alum go on to
01:13:47
be mega stars and which don't? Or is it as simple as having great characters
01:13:50
that capture America's attention, or is it something deeper? This is a 12-parter. Well, first of all, if we
01:13:56
knew how to become mega stars, we would be mega stars. >> You think we're holding back on that
01:14:01
one? >> Yeah, we went to the meastar uh you know, symposium with Tony Robbins was
01:14:07
teaching it. >> You got to get it. >> His hands were as big as my whole body.
01:14:10
I accidentally went to the mega store Costco >> and um yeah, I would just say that
01:14:16
there's an intersection between talent and the marketplace. And it's uh you
01:14:21
when you're when you're young and naive, you go, well, the best band will be the
01:14:24
biggest band. That only happened once and that was the Beatles. >> And the best the funniest guy will also
01:14:30
make the most money. So get rid of all that. >> I can go to the comedy store and see
01:14:34
three people funnier than me. It's just and they're not doing as well as me as
01:14:37
showbiz wise, but it just it it's a it's a combination of a million things. So,
01:14:41
if you're doing well, it's it's a lot of it's luck, but you I think you have to
01:14:45
bring it over and over and over because everything's a [ __ ] audition. People
01:14:49
can lose faith in you somewhere along the way and go, you don't got it. >> Oh, yeah. Now, people go live streaming
01:14:53
movies and no one knows if it bombed or whatever. But back in the day, a movie star, if if that person had two bombs in
01:14:59
a row, you kind of had to go back in line and then wait a lot of years. But but again, all you can go back to is
01:15:05
trying to do a good job at whatever you're doing. But a mega star um has a mega mansion.
01:15:11
>> There's not that many left. It's me, Dana, and then I can't even think of
01:15:14
anyone. >> Mega stars have they don't talk about the security, cyber security, physical
01:15:19
security. Uh everyone treats them weird. I don't know about the goal of mear as
01:15:25
opposed to like just being funny and employed. I don't know. Did you ever dream about being
01:15:29
>> mear? I feel like has a tough life and he would never say it himself, but I
01:15:33
feel like just everywhere you go, if you connect lives with someone, they go that's [ __ ] Brad Pitt and they don't
01:15:37
know how to act and they get weird and even when he meets other celebrities, they freak out. So that's being a mega
01:15:43
when you're in a room with other >> that's it's too much energy in the room
01:15:47
and and I get starruck by fame. I mean with Brad Pitt, you know, um if I met him, he go, "We're going to go over here
01:15:54
and get a get some pizza." I go, "It's a good plan. I like what you're doing. I
01:15:59
like being on your podcast, David, because you got good whiticisms. I'm Brad Pitt. I'm chiseled and tan. No, but
01:16:06
being a sex being a sex symbol, and I'll let David speak to this, being a sex
01:16:10
symbol has a different energy. There's a mega star just goofy comedian, but then
01:16:15
there's a mega star who's who's a sexual star. Then you get guys or weirdos in
01:16:21
your bushes hiding out. It's it's a >> for women especially. I'm so glad that I
01:16:26
never reached Megastar status. That's all I'm saying. >> I hate that I reached it so much.
01:16:30
>> I go to the grocery store and no one cares. I take the mask off, the hat off,
01:16:33
I go, "Hey everybody, >> I went out star route, which was stupid early on."
01:16:39
>> He was a porn star for >> and then wee bit of time and then I went
01:16:44
back to I just wanted to see what I don't remember what my old life was. I'm going to be a bus boy again. No, I
01:16:52
don't know. That's a stupid answer, but thank you for asking a question and uh
01:16:55
yeah, >> we've been Dana and David and we've been Dumb. >> Hey guys, if you're loving this podcast,
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