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Well, that was an LA version, so we kept it a little queefy for you. I know you're old and delicy.
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I'm going to look that up. >> I get that all the time. People say, "Kill yourself. You're no norm. You're
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the You're like Norm Light. You're norm. >> Did you kill yourself or you take any of
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that advice?" >> Nah, not yet. Later. But they're just going around the moon. They're not
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letting them on the moon, which I thought was messed up, but it might hurt the property value. And then I said, "Of
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course, they make the black guy do a driveby." And uh I'd say let him on the
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moon. I want to see that guy jump. Can you imagine that moon jump? Uh then I call it moon teams. So we had some good
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times. >> Dana Mark Norman, who is a very funny comic. Uh not on every single person's
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radar yet, but that's what we like to do. >> Get someone like you did with Shane. Get
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him a little early. >> And >> pre-stadium. >> Yeah, pre-stadiums.
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He's always consistently funny. Uh when I see him do quick sets or on Instagram
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or uh just talking to the dude, he's got a great sort of Norm McDonaldy vibe. Uh
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>> well, he talk about his love of Norm. >> Yeah, >> his love of standup. Uh and also he does
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a podcast called We Might Be Drunk with Sam Morell is another great comic. So, >> two of them are out there killing it and
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he was a lot of fun and just a lot of jokes, a lot of laughing and we really kind of dug deep with him too.
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>> Yeah. You talk about the uh because he really writes a lot of jokes per minute
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and a lot of punchlines per minute and the pressure to keep coming up with material.
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>> Yeah. Little shorties. >> Yeah. >> Three jokes every minute. You're right.
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And it's just hard to >> fill an hour on standup. Mhm. >> And then I think we talked about doing a
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special and how >> how much of that can you still use and you know how do you rotate all your
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stuff >> inside baseball or what it's like to be a touring standup comic.
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>> Um it was a pleasure to hang out with him. Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy.
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>> Mark Norman >> Norman. >> Mark Norman. >> Mark Norman is our guest. We start right
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away. Mark. >> All right, let's do it. We We're halfway through. >> All right. So,
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>> this isn't a We Might Be Drunk marathon where you're there for an hour five.
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>> Great. >> How long are your How long are your podcasts on We Might Be Drunk?
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>> Well, we drink a lot, so they can go from an hour to two and a half. It gets
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pretty sloppy. >> Do you really drink? When I was there, did you drink? >> Well, that was an LA version, so we kept
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it a little quefy for you. We know you're old and delicate, but >> queefy. I'm going to look that up. Wait,
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I know I'm old and what? Delicate. I don't want to hurt you. >> I was. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to
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hurt me. Mark Norman, I was telling you such a riveting story. Like if you do a podcast, we might be drunk, which I've
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done and I actually like. >> I didn't know because I'm frail and brittle. Uh that you were delicately
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leading me through a 22-minute podcast for my own safety. But um I don't drink
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in the day anyway. That's problem. I barely drink at night. >> Why not?
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>> Cuz I'm a [ __ ] puss, dude. I used to be able to, but god dang, >> it is bad. It leads to horrible things.
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You end up skipping the night and just drinking and going to bars. So, day drinking is is evil. Don't do it.
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>> Yeah. Do you When you drink, >> do you I don't mean to cut I won't cut
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you. I'll cut you off 30 more times. >> Well, Zoom is tough. >> I know Zoom is tough. I appreciate that
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you had offered to come in when you were in town. That was very nice. And then I
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was trying to find you. I was in New York the other night and I saw on my stupid Instagram it's like Mark Norman
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is doing his high jinks at Gutbusters. I'm like why am I seeing this? And then
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I go oh he's in New York and then it scrolls down. He's also doing flim flams. He's also doing beep bops. And I
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go oh he's not going to have time to do anything. You're like the New York guy
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going boom boom boom right to set. Well, yeah. I gota I run around like a psycho
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because uh my jokes are short. So, I gotta I gotta write a lot just to fill an hour and it takes forever. So, I got
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to keep uh keep getting up and tweaking. >> I did notice that. Very good joke
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writer. Uh very funny. Uh I've always sort of watched from a distance. I finally got the nerve to approach you
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on Instagram. But, uh well, I always appreciate a good joke writer. So does Dana. So, when you're cramming in short
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ones, it is harder. I like to tell stories my act. I'm trying to get one story that's an hour long, ideally.
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>> Wow. >> I don't think I have one. I can make a story an hour and it's [ __ ] boring.
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But to get some tent full laughs in the middle is very hard. >> That That's called the moth. That's a
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whole different thing. >> Oh, the moth story from Norm. >> No. >> Norm takes an old joke and then he's
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like, "This is my joke." I'm like, "It's a joke." joke. It's like Johnny went to
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school. I'm like, are you sure this is your joke? Just elongate it with facts.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I used to drive a tractor. You know, one of those tractor things, you
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know, driving that tractor. >> That's good. You have a little norm. Do
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you hear that or not? You do hear that. >> I get that all the time. People say,
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"Kill yourself. You're no norm. You're the You're like Norm Light. You're
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norm." >> Did you kill yourself or you take any of that advice? Nah, not yet. Later. Not
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yet. >> For me, not for them. >> If there's a million comics, you're
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going to look like someone. You're gonna act like someone. That's just the way it
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is. I I get I get Dana at the [ __ ] >> car wash the other day. The guy goes,
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"Isn't that special?" And then he goes, "I'm sorry. I love Opportunity Knox. I
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love all your movies." And I go, "Thank you." I think Dana does the same thing.
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They think we're the >> I've aged out of our We used to got really compared a lot. Yeah.
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>> Joe. >> Yeah. Anyway, you know, we've interviewed people on this. You know, we
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we were we interviewed Shane when he was still in the clubs and he maybe had just
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put out the YouTube special and I was following your trajectory. >> So, based on the experience of this
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podcast, you'll be headlining Madison Square Garden in 11 months. >> Hey. All right. I'll take it. I just got
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to say some Asian slurs and I'm in. >> That's the trick. That's a shortcut.
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That's the thing is you go anywhere you want and it's never comes off. >> I mean I don't know you just it doesn't
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come off dark or weird or creepy. It just sort of you just flow by but you go wherever you want, right? As far as just
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topics and stuff. >> Yeah. Thanks. You know, you always hear these people like what what can you joke
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about? Can you where's the line? I think if it's got a punchline and a twist, you
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can joke about anything. And uh so I I go all in and yeah, I' I've been told
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I'm non-threatening. I'm quefyexual. >> That you're asexual. That's great. This
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is a great quality to have in a comic. You're you're unoffensive even though
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you're offensive. >> There you go. So I think people told me early like you're no one cares about
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you. You're kind of under the radar. So I said, "All right, well that's that's a
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detriment, but maybe I can use it to say horrible things." >> No. Well, you throw you throw it away
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and you make it a little innocent. You did that arm move some about you're almost sort of commenting on how dark it
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was. Well, you know, >> but it's all cheery. It's all cheery delivery.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. That's where my comedy comes from because I had to remind audiences,
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hey, comedy that we're doing. I don't actually comedy. >> Yeah. Oh, by golly. Well, I think you
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stumbled upon a really smart point. um is if Dana or I go to one of these gigs and say something too much, we we can
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step in [ __ ] quicker. But if you or Shane on the way up with Theo, you're just saying crazy things quietly in the
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clubs and then you build up an audience and they're all used to it. So it's all
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baked in. By the time other people hear about it, it's too late because you've
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already said all the stuff, everyone's accepted it and you're not like a
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corporate working for these different big places. So, no one's telling you no.
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And now that's just you. And that's a great way to do it because if I if I'm
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only on sitcoms and PG 13 movies and then out of the blue and I also do corporate gigs and I do commercials. So,
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if someone I say something, it jumps out more if that's if I'm making any sense.
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>> Sure. Sure. >> People go, "Whoa, what are you doing?" But you guys, I kind of get jealous of
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just like people go, "Hey, we we're already fans. We like this guy. Don't
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try to cancel this guy." Oh, hey, thanks. Yeah, and I think you get known for it. I mean, like Louie might be a
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bad example because he did get cancelled, but >> Louis kn not for his standup now and now
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he's back. He's got a Netflix special circle. Yeah. >> But I think if you come off like a
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Robert Shiml who's like, I'm the the bum, I'm the loser, I'm the the
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underdog. >> Shim a lot more because you set that table like this is who I am. I am the
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creep. >> Yeah, >> that's a great title for his next special. No, I I'll tell you this is
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this is a reverse compliment. >> Did you think a special called Out to Lunch would get any views,
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let alone 15 million? He got 15 million. What a funny title. Out to lunch. >> That's nuts.
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>> Thanks. Well, I got It was the pandemic. I put it out right as the pandemic hit.
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It was a complete failure because Comedy Central said no, Netflix said no, Amazon
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said no. So, I said screw it. Put it on YouTube. and it it hit because people needed content and uh you know it was
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free and all that. So I I guess the timing worked out but at the at the time I put it out I wanted to kill myself.
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>> But you shot it yourself with your own money and then tried to sell it to other
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people. >> Yeah. >> Did you shoot yourself with your own gun? >> No. You know um what about I think it's
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also you're kind of underplaying it because even though it was during co >> they have to find it. I see things on
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YouTube that are great and they have 20,000 views and you go [ __ ] how does it get to the point where it gets passed
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around enough or in the algo enough where people start going now it's at a million like that's a big deal
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>> you can't you can't time to get 15 maybe one you can't not 15 captain go that
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high >> so something's working and then you play bigger places obviously over time you do
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clubs then you start doing some theaters and that's >> a little more pressure do you feel like
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>> it's harder or is it the exact same. >> Uh, well, I think well, just to go back
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to the special, I do think it got oversaturated that what I got it in there was still new. And if you watch,
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all these specials over time have gotten less and less views just because it's
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it's not what it used to be. >> I see. >> Um, so if I put one out now, I don't
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think it would it would hit as big. So, timing is a factor. But, yeah, it sold a
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ton of tickets for me. Started doing clubs, adding shows, and we moved to theaters. But then, here's the crazy
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part. You get the Netflix hour finally and it comes out, that was in 2023, and everybody goes, "Hey, let's go see this
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guy in a theater." And now you have no material. And now you're kind of eating
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[ __ ] in a theater. Uh where people go, "Hey, this guy got a special. He sucks."
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And I go, "I know, but I'm out of material." >> Yeah. I This is the age-old, we always
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talk about this, me and Dan. Like I'm from the school of don't throw it all
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away right away. I mean, you need some tentpole laughs. They're paying a lot of
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money. And as as with a band, they only want old material. >> Yes. >> And they don't want new songs. And we
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always talk about this. And then your stand up, you're going, I want to see people do jokes I like. I want to go to
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my friends, listen to this one. And I think specials get watered down over time. And maybe myself included. I won't
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take myself out just because to work and buff out an hour, as you know, as Dana knows, is so hard to get it working.
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>> Yes. >> And to just go, let me start from scratch. It's [ __ ] so hard to get things at
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work and you got to massage them and try them out and >> and then every time you're on stage,
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it's an audition. Dana knows that you go on, you don't want to bomb, you know,
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Shane's in the back or one of your friends walks in, you're like, "Fuck, I
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don't want to do my new shit." They're like, "God, he has nothing."
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>> Chappelle thought you were good, man. >> Oh, he was here. Oh, he watched you bomb
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miserably. But uh David Tell on this podcast just we watched his special and like people who write like you you're a
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writer and you're landing like four or five laughs a minute probably at least
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>> teach >> and I'll just go gaga for like five minutes. So I don't I'm in awe of that.
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And David, he did his special was like 35 a standup and then he did some flute thing at the end
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>> because he said my god because it is like this bam bam bam and I don't know
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how you guys do it but it's uh seems like really difficult >> to to turn it you know
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>> it's a nightmare. It's a young man's game. It's so much tinkering getting
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every oh that word's not hitting. Let me shorten it off a few syllables. Let me
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change that term. But I think David Tell and I he's he's the goat in my opinion.
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But I think the we're scared of doing stories. We have such low self-esteem that I I don't feel like anyone will
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want to hang on to me with a story for >> a three minute story. Even three minutes
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are like everyone's like, "What the [ __ ] is going on?" >> I panic. So, I want to get that laugh.
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Yeah, >> I agree with you. That's very >> hard. And I like people that have
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patience up there and I see people that just, >> you know, even Nate goes slow. I like
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that. He I don't know when that started. Maybe it's always been that way, but
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they wait and his crowd is taught to wait. >> I know. I'm so jealous. And he's
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molasses, but it works. Like he just has that southern draw where you just get lulled to sleep like a big lazy boy.
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>> That's the name of his next special, Big Lazy Boy. >> My act is a big lazy boy.
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I'm kind of curious just being from the olden days uh how big standup has gotten
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how people go to theaters then stadiums or whatever and just trying to figure out besides the comedy like I think that
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Nate's audience really relates to him and of course he's brilliant at standup
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but I I got a sense the audience really likes you and is relating to you and also you're being funny and a lot of it
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you you'd mention your wife and things like that, but there's a vibe you're
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push pushing out. So, it's kind of interesting to watch why why someone blows up and another guy seems to have
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just as good or woman. >> Yeah. >> Uh jokes, but is not quite, you know,
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it's fascinating sort of art form. I'm going to call it that. >> Uhhuh. Well, hey, I think you just got
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to use what you got. Um I don't know what the hell to do. I'm just trying to
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get laughs and uh I don't want to have a message. Everybody's got a message or an
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agenda. And I think it's refreshing when I don't know if you saw this Chris
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Fleming guy. He just put out a special. >> Yeah. It's hilarious. >> The tights jumping around.
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>> Yeah. There's no like uh point or or agenda. It's just like, hey, I'm going
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to lay on the ground for four minutes and kick my legs up and it's it's silly
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and fun and I think we need that. I mean, you know, who knows what Iran's doing right now. So, uh let's
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>> I do >> let's have a chuckle. >> I couldn't agree more. But I never
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wanted to find be in that situation where you have a choir that has a certain point of view and then you're
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teaching. You're and you're getting roars of laughter because you're
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reinforcing political points of view. I like being just funny. >> Yeah. >> More than anything else is room for
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everybody. I don't take >> I think Mark is also is there that kind of Chris Flleming
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when he comes around if the timing is right everyone's ready for it. like they
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just went through the kind of serious comic then the guy that has no audience and then there's all these tricks
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because as you know specials >> are put out almost every weekend. I mean a big one like Amazon, Hulu, Netflix. So
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to stand out and YouTube I mean it's such a blur, >> right? >> It's I'm not saying it's pointless
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anymore. It's just hard because they if my my my manager is always like got a
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special ready I go I just released it. He goes, "I'll make a deal right now."
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You what? Do you hate money? Fay doesn't like money, everybody tells the office.
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I go, "No, I'm just saying I like the money. I don't want to do the work. Just
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give me the money." >> Jeez, Dave, you can just say Jew. Come on. >> But yeah, I know what you mean. They
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just want you to put stuff out and you go, "Hey, I'm an artist, you you douche.
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Leave me alone. >> Don't rush Picasso." >> Right. >> So, I'm Picasso in that scenario. And uh
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so I'm like I have to work on my booger jokes. Come on. You can't rush these
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things. >> I know. I know. Leave me be. But they want that they want that money. I'm so
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jealous of these like like I don't know if you know Ari Shafir. He's like I'm
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going to go to Machu Picchu for nine months and do Iaska and blow a pygmy. And then his agent's like, "All right,
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we'll see you." And it it works out. I don't have the balls. I'm such a wuss
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that my agent's like, "We got you $18 to play for uh Rathon. you want to do it.
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I'm like, I'm in. >> You have to perform in front of the bombs before they get dropped. And
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you're like, sure, whatever. >> I'm willing to look the other way.
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>> I'm scared of adults. I'm 42 years old, but I'm still like, "Oh, this this man
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is calling me with a tie on." >> I [ __ ] agree. My managers are more
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like, "We want you to make money." Because it's so hard to keep the balls
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in the air because Dana and I are both over 40. And after 40 in anything in showbiz, they're like,
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>> "What are you kidding? Dana looks like >> Dana looks like a fresh daisy.
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>> I'm inside a ring light. You can't see the ring light." >> He lives in a ring light.
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>> Literally in a bubble of light. If you sat in my light, Mark 19. You look 19.
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>> You look 1920. Yeah. >> It's hard. You just want to keep working
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and you look at people that blow up quickly and you go, it's probably harder. I I sort of got known over time
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gradually and it was weird enough but these people like the Jim Carrey thing where they get so famous like overnight
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so [ __ ] huge and you go >> 15 years overnight you know >> I mean yeah Jim he did have Living Color
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but to have >> Dumb and Dumber the Mask and you know Ace Venture in a row you go how do you
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that's another level >> well yeah that's a whole explosion but just because of uh for history's sake
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when he showed up in LA I was around he and he was at the improv and Jim was just doing pure impressions like Rich
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Little and he would act out on Golden Palm with Henry Fonda and Katherine Heeper with perfect voices, you know,
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>> James Dean look >> and then we know his whole evil. >> I remember that he would
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>> well Bruce Stern and I mean he's his talent level just pure raw talent is is
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insane. He was on like an old comedy store, Young Comedians or something, maybe by
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Dangerfield. And I was like, this [ __ ] guy, every time he turns around, he looks exactly like he was so
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rubberfaced. Jim Carrey, very memorable. And then you're right, Dana, he did
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that, which I was already floored by that. >> Then in Living Color, but I think you're
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famous. And when you do three hundred million dollar movies in a row, especially back then, that's about as
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high as you can get as far as how do you stay what I was saying is how do you stay around for 20 30 years? And that's
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you want to keep making money. You want to stay somewhat relevant. It's just a
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weird biz. So my guys are like >> hopefully you can do this. Hopefully you
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want to do this. But I'm in your same spot. Do I want to take six months off?
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I don't even know if I know what to do. >> I know you feel worthless. Comedy is
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really my only like selfworth. I have a child and a and a wife, but I'm like ah
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that's >> second and third. >> Yeah. Yeah. But do you guys worry about
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uh that's the thing about fame or making it. Once you make it, you're like, "Hey,
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I made it. This is great. Now, how the hell do I hold on to this?" Like I I
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used to open for Jerry and uh he would say like, "Thank God for comedians and
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cars or I'd be irrelevant." I'm like, "Dude, your show's on 11 times a day.
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What are you talking about?" >> 44 channels. >> I know. Jerry Let him he went back out.
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Sorry. >> Yes, exactly. He's doing interviews. >> Lauren Michaels, one of his quotes was
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the minute you're hot, you can feel yourself getting less hot >> and and a career is like a pendulum.
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You're hot and it swings and then you're in the dark side of the moon and then
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you come back. It just comes with a turf. I'm just curious about do you think Well, two things I want to know
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about your process. Are you like Jim Gaffigan or like Jerry Seinfeld has a panic attack if that's possible because
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he needs to get to his room and work on his stuff an hour each day every day. >> Yeah.
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>> Jim Gaffen, brilliant. He he records everything at the and then he goes in
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and he listens to it. The kids are sleeping and fixes. How meticulous are you or is it just from reps on stage or
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>> Oh, I'm a psycho. I mean, I got four sets tonight in the city jumping around
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from club to club and uh >> same set. >> Yeah, same set with new stuff filling in
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and then I go, this line isn't working. So, I'll kind of just dissect one line
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and go, all right, the next set just focus on that line >> and that I just do that for months and
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months and hopefully >> it's it's gradual. >> Bill Burr told me that he doesn't write
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it down. >> What is that? >> He does it so much. Yeah, >> but I guess that that's Yeah,
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>> you know, I saw him the other night, Dana. He went after me. I introduced
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him. Of course, I blew it because sometimes Mark, you ever noticed there's an MC and sometimes there's not. So, I'm
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at the store and I go, "Good night." And no one comes out and I go, >> "What am I doing?" They go, "Bring up
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the next guy." I go, "Who's the next guy? Is it Bill?" And then I go, I did
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an encore because no one was back there. And so I do And then I go, "Oh, am I
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supposed to?" So I bring Anyway, Bill comes up >> and I'm in the back. So, I watched a
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little bit and then I like type by text like just lines I liked and then he hit me on the way home. He's like, "Oh, you
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like that?" "Yeah, I was just working on that." And now that you tell me he
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doesn't write it down. >> I was like writing the wording when I text it going, "This is great." Knowing
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if I did it, I would be like, I have to remember how I said that. >> That was what made it work. The only
00:22:32
reason it works cuz you've done the bit the next night and you go, I know what
00:22:35
that is. And you go, I've done it with Heather here. And I'm like, can you
00:22:39
transcribe this because I hit it one night and now it is just not working. What did I say?
00:22:45
>> That said, that's another Jerryism. You know, something stops working. You know,
00:22:51
check the setup. >> Okay. >> Is it clear? >> I mean, he is a scientist. I was curious
00:22:56
because people were mentioning that you had Norm vibes or was he kind of one of your inspirations in a sense
00:23:05
or or who who >> So yeah, because there is some ribbing stuff. There's something in there is a
00:23:11
great thing to be influenced by. >> So anyone else besides David >> or is Norm your true nor true north
00:23:19
star? >> Uh well Norm to me is the just the funniest guy. Like his standup is great,
00:23:26
but he was funny everywhere. He's funny on the couch. He was funny on a podcast.
00:23:29
He was funny in movies, which I liked. Bill Burr has that too. Some guys are just funny on stage, but then you put
00:23:36
them on a podcast and they're kind of boring. You've you've done you've seen
00:23:40
these Norm unique and you think when he was on Conan and stuff, it's like he's he's
00:23:46
always smile was always smiling in such an intense way. Yes. like his eyes are really happy and he had these big
00:23:53
cheekbones and so it's a very potent. It's like he's laughing the whole time
00:23:58
but not out loud because he knows where he's going with it. But yeah, it's his
00:24:03
stuff. You see the YouTube clips of him on Conan and it's like uh we haven't
00:24:08
seen anything quite like it. Uh, you know, he's lucky as Conan because Conan
00:24:12
or Letterman, those guys invite a guy like Norm because they want him to be weird and a lot of people won't put up
00:24:20
with it. They just don't get it. So when you go on the view and he's weird and
00:24:23
he's talking and they're like, >> the best. >> I'm like, why are they letting this guy
00:24:26
on the [ __ ] view? Do they know anything? And then he does his thing and they're like, huh?
00:24:31
>> Yeah, I like that Bill that Bill Clinton guy, you know, he only problem he killed
00:24:36
a guy, right? Didn't he rape that one girl? Everyone's like, "Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."
00:24:42
Barbara Walter's like, "Oh, >> I thought it was a matter of public
00:24:45
record." >> I I once had a two-hour phone conversation with Norm driving around. I
00:24:51
was driving >> and uh >> he, you know, put down his comedy kind of vibe, you know, and he had a lot of
00:25:00
frustrations with his career, you know, >> really >> a lot of lot of pilots didn't work out
00:25:04
and this guy and that and so forth and so on, you know. So he's a little frustrated, you know, cuz like he's so
00:25:11
charismatic and per he's like Norm McDonald, >> you know, probably wanted a few more
00:25:16
Norm movies or Norm TV shows, you know. >> Dana, was there was there a pilot with
00:25:21
Love it and Norm for Happy Madison >> because we'll ask him because I think it was
00:25:27
about a mayor. >> I do remember hearing this and >> somebody pulled the plug on it, but I
00:25:33
think they wanted to do it. Something weird happened. But that that's the hard
00:25:36
thing is like Norm is tough. He was tough to book cuz he wouldn't sometimes he wouldn't come or he would walk people
00:25:45
and you know as a manager we have the same manager Gervitz of course he's norm
00:25:50
too he's like norm I don't know you never know because one time he was I
00:25:54
told this story but we were on the road with Sandler and >> you know Mark I think Sam did I one with
00:26:00
us >> you know he rotates some people in >> just to make it more fun. So,
00:26:05
>> in the old days, Norman went on and then and we're in Seattle or something and he
00:26:10
and he just walks everybody and then well the ones that don't want to wait for Sandler like I can't take this. It's
00:26:17
excruciating. And then when he gets off, Schneider is MC and goes there's Nor
00:26:21
McDonald. You never know which Norm you're going to get and tonight you got that one.
00:26:27
>> And then Norm is on the group chat going hey what the [ __ ] did Schneider just
00:26:30
say? Just so people understand, >> it's so true though. >> Just so people understand who are
00:26:36
listening, if you say the How did the comedian do? Uh, he walked the audience. >> That they Well, what do you mean? Well,
00:26:45
they left. >> They got up and left the room. Oh, yeah. >> And And uh
00:26:51
>> they stop laughing for a while. The comedian does not change gears at all.
00:26:56
He keeps going and they finally go, "I can't take it. I'm forfeiting this and
00:27:01
leaving voluntarily. >> Well, he's >> If I see one person go to the bathroom,
00:27:05
if you see someone go to the bathroom, don't you go, >> "Well, [ __ ] They're leaving."
00:27:09
>> Of course, I want to kill myself. It's the worst feeling ever. >> Exactly.
00:27:13
>> I don't have the He was so strong. He was such a tough guy. He doesn't get his
00:27:16
due. I mean, the whole cancer thing, he hid that for years. I mean, most people would have used that. They would have
00:27:21
been like, "Here, I'm the victim. Let me uh spin this into a a TED talk." you
00:27:26
know, >> still a end of life tour. >> Yes, exactly. He just kept it quiet like
00:27:32
the integrity that takes >> just uh being very very personal at least online. I just noticed how
00:27:39
>> so it's so monetizing if you really share every disease or every negative
00:27:44
weird thing in your life. And um >> oh, you got molested. Oh, aren't you
00:27:50
special? Yeah. Yeah. Move on. Could you say could you say that but say well isn't that special
00:27:58
>> and got molested but Nor >> No, Norm was just [ __ ] funny. >> He had a good joke about cancer.
00:28:05
>> Remember that when he says what was it? >> Everyone always says >> this guy lost the battle with cancer. He
00:28:12
goes I think it was a tie. >> I think cancer died with the guy. >> Yeah.
00:28:18
>> Cancer's not standing there going >> right. I something like that and I was
00:28:22
like, "God, that's a smart way to look at it." >> Yeah. His dad
00:28:25
>> saying the joke while he has it, by the way. >> He's like, "My dad, your dad's in a
00:28:28
better place." He's like, "He's on the floor." >> Right. Norm joke. But he was funny
00:28:33
everywhere. And he's what a comedian is to me. So when the view is like, "Hey,
00:28:37
Norm, what are you doing?" I'm like, "He's being Norm. He's the guy you
00:28:40
booked." >> Yeah. That's the hard >> he's just got a bigger grin on his face.
00:28:44
The manner they would get, he just has this huge smile. >> He's also his secret weapon. this
00:28:50
greatlooking guy. As a guy, I didn't know. And all these women were like, "He
00:28:53
looks like Paul Newman." I'm like, "He does." >> I'm not usually studying guys, but now I
00:28:58
do. And uh he was really look maxing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Way to >> hit the youth.
00:29:05
>> Clav, dude. Clavicle. >> So, um >> Oh, are you guys working on AI with all
00:29:12
this? >> Yeah, we're not here. >> No. Uh what are we doing with AI? What
00:29:18
do you Oh, I had a question about the moon. I heard you talking about the moon. >> Oh, I got [ __ ] for that one.
00:29:23
>> What did you say? >> Really? >> Let me hear it. Let me hear the joke.
00:29:26
>> I mean, I just went the I was riffing on stage about the moon and uh somebody
00:29:30
brought it up in the crowd and I said, "Well, they had a a first black astronaut. This is so cool." But they're
00:29:35
just going around the moon. They're not letting them on the moon, which I thought was messed up, but it might hurt
00:29:40
the property value. And then I said, "Of course they make the black guy do a
00:29:44
driveby." And uh I say, "Let him on the moon. I want to see that guy jump. Can
00:29:49
you imagine that moon jump? Uh then I call it moon team. So we had some good times
00:29:56
>> and that you got grief for that. How online people >> Yeah. The black community was uh pushing
00:30:01
back and I said I'm just joking around. I think it's great. He's on the moon.
00:30:04
I'm a comedian. I'm I'm just zinging and zanging. I make fun of honks. I make fun
00:30:09
of Jews. You know >> honks. >> Now it's your turn. >> I don't like it when you make fun of
00:30:14
honks. So I get it. Sorry. >> You're like any joke where I don't say a
00:30:19
specific race, it's a honky. >> So, just know they're taking the most
00:30:24
beating. Yeah. I saw the moon drive by. I guess it was just a a slingshot because I saw a funny meme where it goes
00:30:33
the moon's like this and you hear, "Hey, you hear a rap song and then it goes
00:30:37
away." Like it's just someone driving by and you go and the moon's like this.
00:30:40
Wait, it's been 20, 40 years, 50 years, >> and they're just driving by and beeping
00:30:46
or something. I don't know. >> That's funny. >> Five years from now, those astronauts
00:30:51
are going to be at a cottail party and the conversation will be like, "No, seriously, dude. You did you didn't land
00:30:57
on the moon, >> right? I got close." >> The big question is, does that get you
00:31:01
any [ __ ] And I know everyone's thinking this, but going to the moon, yes. driving by. Is it a shoulder
00:31:07
shrugger or do people go, "Hey, you know, that's cool. That's It's like the
00:31:12
girls that went up in space and they go, "No, no, no. It's not. No, we went
00:31:15
farther." And they're like, "Right, all you guys went up and came down."
00:31:18
>> Yeah. >> Like, quit quit putting us with the origin. >> They're like, "You, Katy Perry, you guys
00:31:25
all were they on your flight?" He's like, "No, these are two different
00:31:28
things." >> Yeah. Why did Katy Perry need to go to space? I mean, uh, we tried to send
00:31:33
Lizo. We didn't have the fuel, but um >> Don't put your hand in your chin.
00:31:38
That was funny. We didn't have the fuel. Anyway, >> Brian Rean do a whole album I walked on
00:31:44
the moon or something. >> Anyway, that's funny. >> Yeah. No, it's all fun. It's all fodder.
00:31:49
That's what's great about the news. It's all you can do 18 gay Ayatollah jokes.
00:31:53
It It never ends. >> Well, a a comedian can't be offended. We we're incapable of
00:31:59
being offended, I think, because we we know it's a joke. We've heard everything. We understand it. When
00:32:05
comedians are off camera or hanging out trying to top each other with the most foul, politically incorrect thing you
00:32:12
can say, >> that's, you know, so we're we can't >> it leaks out. Dana is right. It leaks
00:32:16
out. But like if I said something you guys and you guys laughed, like if we were at lunch and I go, "Oh." And then I
00:32:23
say it my act and everyone goes, "What the fuck?" And then you go, >> "Right,
00:32:26
>> oh, those guys. I just This was funny a minute ago." And then they go, "No,
00:32:30
that's with your filthy comedian friends." I'm like, "Oh, yeah. I guess
00:32:34
so." >> Right. >> I do. Do Do you Do you have bits you do only for other comedians that are so
00:32:40
foul you don't have to repeat, but I used to do Bert Lancaster and Kirk Douglas having sex?
00:32:46
>> And that was the writer room at SNL would say, "Can you come in here and do
00:32:50
that for us again?" just have kind of 2 a.m. >> I want you. >> Patrice said it years ago. He said, "Any
00:32:58
any man who tells me something is inappropriate to talk about, I immediately have lost respect for." And
00:33:05
uh I find it weird that some comedians don't like, you know, whatever problematic humor, but I'm like, it's
00:33:12
just us. Like my text thread, if you saw my text thread with a couple comics, I would go right to the goolog.
00:33:18
>> Go to prison. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Because uh part of being funny or what's funny is saying the thing you
00:33:24
just can't possibly say. >> Yeah. >> Don't No one should ever say that. So of
00:33:29
course a comedian wants to say it, but you know >> well you want to outdo the other
00:33:34
comedian. You want to be like I this is isn't this horrible what I just thought.
00:33:38
>> Yeah. We're messing around. We're not doing the things. You know we're not
00:33:41
doing the things. >> It's never like against you. If there was any hate under it, it would be
00:33:47
different. You go. I'm just saying stupid [ __ ] to try to be funny. >> I made a pedophile joke, but Bill
00:33:53
Clinton is is reminiscing over old photos. He's having a great time. So, like, let's get more mad at Bill.
00:33:58
>> It was funny that he was he was [ __ ] gaggling looking like at his memories on
00:34:03
his iPhone. >> Yeah. >> He's like, "Oh, these were the days."
00:34:07
>> Yeah, I remember that day. >> No, the picture of him. Was it the hot
00:34:10
tub or the swimming pool? And >> oh, that was >> I heard him I heard him leafing through
00:34:15
the photo book. I was only in there for about 5 minutes. I just swam around a little bit and nothing happened. I mean,
00:34:22
>> I farted. We were laughing at the bubbles >> just at some point. Can we Yeah. Will it
00:34:27
ever end? I mean, Hillary is just like, >> "Dude, I like when they talk about the
00:34:31
Epstein files and I look and they go and about every day on Instagram, someone's
00:34:35
reading another email that's so horrible and I go, "Where's that guy?" Like I
00:34:41
don't know if it's like illegal writing an email or that there's something where
00:34:45
you go >> this guy something was going on the [ __ ] they say and then >> you never hear like did they did he get
00:34:53
scolded maybe a slap on the wrist anything? No. >> No. And and you got to hand it to
00:34:58
Hillary because uh Bill Gates's wife left toot sweet. She was like you're
00:35:01
involved in this guy. I'm out of here. Hillary's like hold my beer. I mean I'll
00:35:05
tell you about Monica. I'll tell you about everything. Bill Gates wife was like, "I'm gonna take 80 billion and get
00:35:12
the hell out of Dodge." >> She goes, "I'm the bravest woman you've
00:35:15
ever seen. Me, my backpack, and 70 billion." >> Yeah. >> On my own.
00:35:22
>> I think all the richest women in America, it's all divorce. >> Uh, what was their name? Basos's ex.
00:35:29
>> Look at your jar glass. Jesus Christ. See that? >> I don't want to keep refilling, so I
00:35:33
just get a giant. Is it the um the bullet? Oh, it's the upside down bullet. >> Yeah, biggest cup I have.
00:35:41
>> What a good eye, Spade. Good eye. Is that a Q card on your door? >> Oh, yeah. That's an old Conan. I have
00:35:46
all those. Uh, look, look at this wall I got here. I'll walk you around. >> Look, the wall of fame. Look at this
00:35:52
[ __ ] >> Look at this. Norm. That's a Norm. >> Oh, is that Bert Reynolds?
00:35:58
>> What is that when you did Bert Reynolds? >> Yes. Yes. And then with Carlin.
00:36:03
>> Oh, you just saw Carlin. Wow. George. >> I met him at a book signing. Nice Joan
00:36:09
Rivers there. >> You ever seen Blue Foot? >> Joan Rivers. >> Blue.
00:36:15
>> Liz Taylor, can we talk dog? Everybody needs set the bullet. >> Is that your set, Liz?
00:36:22
>> Yeah. Nerd. >> Oh, you missed it. >> I saw Gabe porn in the middle there.
00:36:29
>> That's a bunch of >> Oh, that's so funny. functioning alcoholic
00:36:35
>> big nerd. >> I used to say I used to say this no this Mark I go my friend goes
00:36:40
>> who's that >> Fallon >> is that Fallon coming in. Hey soon
00:36:45
>> hey be insane Jimmy >> love how many fallons do we got? >> Four.
00:36:55
>> Okay I have a legitimate question. You have gone broen how many times? Well, we have a thing called Protect Our
00:37:01
Parks where we go on and just get drunk with Shane and Ari and uh just joke around for four hours. So, I think we've
00:37:09
done 11 of those or 12. >> [ __ ] hilarious. That's a great idea. Uh all the great
00:37:13
>> Who's in that gang? You, Shane, who else? >> Ari Shafir and and Joe. And it's just it
00:37:18
we we used to listen to Open Anthony and all these other crazy radio shows and those have kind of gone away. So he
00:37:24
said, "Let's just dick around, be idiots, say horrible things, get drunk,
00:37:28
do mushrooms, smoke cigars, and just be a bunch of dudes." >> That should be the number one rated
00:37:33
show. It probably is, actually. Uh >> do mushrooms. >> When you go, >> does Joe move the needle? Do you plug
00:37:40
gigs or is it That's got to be at least some push for something. It's the
00:37:44
biggest >> that sells crazy tickets. And we're we're just literally making fun of each
00:37:50
other. gay jokes, fat jokes, and mushrooms. And >> yeah, >> you know, one Ari puked on one, Joe
00:37:57
whipped it out on one. Uh, you know, >> I I had a meltdown on mushrooms and
00:38:02
puked all over the mother ship. So, yeah, it's it's a wild >> way from I Love Lucy.
00:38:09
>> What? >> It's a long way since I Love Lucy was that was entertainment.
00:38:13
>> So, I understand you take hallucinogenics, you vomit, and expose yourselves to each other. Sounds like a
00:38:18
great time, Ed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Ed, can I see your I haven't seen your
00:38:23
dick recently. >> So, when you're 8, 10 years old, are you uh one of those young people is like
00:38:34
seeing comics on television or whatever and thinking maybe or did it come to you
00:38:39
later? When did it hit you? Maybe I'm going to do this. >> Well, I got no self-worth. So, I was
00:38:44
obsessed with comedy. I was obsessed with Groucho and Bill Murray and uh >> and then I never thought I could do
00:38:54
this. It was like you'd see Steve Martin on TV, you'd see Bill Cosby and you're
00:38:58
like, "That's like an astronaut. I can never get there." >> Of course. Of course.
00:39:02
>> Agreed. >> Failed out of college three times, three different colleges. And I had such
00:39:08
little going on that I said, "Screw it. I'll try an open mic." And I immediately
00:39:11
fell in love with it. And uh I moved to New York and the rest is history. Got mugged three times. Got bed bugs. That
00:39:18
city tries to spit you out. But uh >> then the bed bugs mugged me. Jesus. >> Yeah.
00:39:23
>> Where did you Was it after doing a club date like in 1:00 a.m. or something? I
00:39:28
mean I lived there eight years. I never got mugged. >> Really? >> Mugged? You're saying someone's going to
00:39:34
beat you up and take your money? What? What's What was it exactly? >> What is a mugging?
00:39:38
>> Well, three time. But again, I lived out in Brooklyn, like way out, and I was
00:39:42
also an alcoholic. So, I was in a blackout. Most >> two of the three times I got mugged, I
00:39:48
was blacked out, drunk, sleeping on the street. >> So, now I understand. Thanks for the
00:39:55
clarification. >> Would they pull a knife on you or do they just beat you up and say, "Give us
00:39:58
your shit?" >> If you're blacked out, they just >> It was bad. I was like Tiger Woods
00:40:03
without the car. I was just stumbling down the street. But I just uh one time I fell asleep on the subway and I woke
00:40:09
up and a guy had cut my pockets with an X-acto knife. Um >> Geez. >> So that was that was pretty harmless. He
00:40:16
got my keys, my wallet, my jokebook. It was crazy. My phone >> one time. >> What if he's doing your act?
00:40:23
>> Yeah, that's I was going to say. >> I know he Yeah. >> I can't believe Jake Johansson would do
00:40:30
that to you. >> Wait, what's your What was the third time? You said one time something.
00:40:34
>> Well, one time I fell asleep. I was drunk at a bar called Rudies and I walk
00:40:37
home or I'm I'm walking down 8th Avenue in Hell's Kitchen and I see a little al
00:40:42
cove like a doorway three steps down and I said, "Let me just take a nap there
00:40:46
for like half an hour and then I'll go home." Because I lived way out in
00:40:50
Brooklyn. It was a long ride. >> So I fell asleep in this little el cove and I woke up to three guys going
00:40:55
through my [ __ ] So I tried TO BE LIKE, "AH, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" AND THEN ONE
00:40:59
of them goes, "He's waking up." And he hit me and I went out again. Took
00:41:01
everything. >> [ __ ] a. And then one, the craziest is the third time fell asleep on the train.
00:41:08
Woke up way past my stop and I said, "Screw it. It's a nice night. I'll walk
00:41:12
it back to my apartment." >> Deep Brooklyn. I see five guys on the corner shooting dice, drinking 40s,
00:41:18
listening to music out of a out of a central casting. >> This is like a movie. You walk up like
00:41:23
Steve Martin. Hey, black guys. What's happening? >> Hey Jive, brother.
00:41:29
Um, and I see them and I cross the street. street. I'm like, I'm going to
00:41:33
walk on the other side of the street. They look pretty shady. >> And an older guy comes up to me and I
00:41:38
had an iPod at the time. And he goes, "Give me that radio." And I was so
00:41:42
drunk. I was like, "It's not a radio. It's an MP3 player." And he goes, "All
00:41:46
right." He yanks it. So I'm yank. We're both yanking the cord. He picks me up,
00:41:50
starts slamming me against the uh business with the the metal gate that closes. >> Oh, yeah.
00:41:55
>> And I'm freaking out. And before I know it, those five guys run over and beat
00:41:59
the hell out of them. >> Oh, really? They did. >> You can't judge.
00:42:03
>> Saviors, don't judge. >> Yeah. And I grabbed my iPod. I said,
00:42:07
"Thank you." And I ran home. >> Wow. What is your height and weight? I
00:42:11
mean, you look pretty big on stage. I mean, for someone to just pick you up, they must be pretty pretty.
00:42:17
>> You're skinny, though. >> I'm skinny. I'm 5'10. I'm I'm not that
00:42:20
big. I'm a thin guy. >> You know what's a good noise? When they hit you against that steel, it goes,
00:42:26
>> "Yeah, it's thunderous." Um, I think uh I talked to a cop later and he said
00:42:30
those were drug dealers and they can't have a white kid getting killed in the
00:42:34
neighborhood. That's bad for business. >> Oh, really? >> They picked him.
00:42:38
>> Oh, I love it. They don't want any trouble in there. Oh, I love they don't
00:42:41
want >> I did have one experience a little bit like that in New York and I was, you
00:42:45
know, up against a great and this guy was grabbing me and like that and I said, "Lorn, please."
00:42:51
>> So, it was Lauren Michael. >> Lauren, I'll do church lady. Um, you're really not. You're you're he
00:42:59
Lauren's nickname for me was he's a [ __ ] show pony cuz I'd be out there.
00:43:05
>> Guilt see how it's charged, sir. >> It works. >> Hey, your special that the What was the
00:43:12
special called where you did the every time a guy changes chords, he makes a different face. The Ross Perau.
00:43:19
>> Yeah. I don't know. >> What was that title? Come on. Well, I did the first one was
00:43:25
>> Comedy Central >> Critics's Choice >> and this was before online stuff. So, my
00:43:31
sister every time it would come on she got Critics's Choice again. She thought
00:43:36
it was an award that I got. And then there was one, it was a ridiculous title, Squatting Monkeys Tell No Lies.
00:43:43
>> Uhhuh. >> And then the most recent one, I don't know why I named it this, it was stupid,
00:43:47
but straight white male 60. That's cuz no industry wants that. >> Put those three together and then we
00:43:55
would have the one-third the amount of jokes you landed in None Too Pleased. >> That special that special was huge for
00:44:03
me. >> Absolut. Well, that's good. I I you know, there's people there's 15 year
00:44:08
olds, men and women watching or boys and girls watching your special right now. >> Yeah.
00:44:13
>> Going I I might want to do that. It still is a fever dream just that this is
00:44:18
your job. >> Yeah. This is what you're doing. Your dreams came true. You're making good
00:44:22
money. I looked at your, you know, you're making good money. >> Your bank account,
00:44:28
this is your job. >> Well, it's all about the next thing, the next special. I remember the first time
00:44:33
I made a million dollars >> and with all the agents and managers and they're like, "Okay, you made a million.
00:44:39
Now, let's go on to these tour." I go, "Wait a minute. Can we just take a
00:44:43
second to say I made a [ __ ] million dollars?" So, if you talk to your younger self, you know, your 23-year-old
00:44:51
self, you know, >> you'd be like, "It's going to be okay, man."
00:44:55
>> All right. Thank you. It feels like being a mailman where you you put the
00:44:58
mail out, then you show up the next day and they're like, "We got a lot more
00:45:00
mail." >> Like, God, it never ends. >> You never It's like Groundhog's Day.
00:45:04
Yeah. You just go, "I didn't did I get anything done today." And you feel like
00:45:08
you're always feel like you're getting too old. I used Of course, every day.
00:45:12
When I was 30, I'm like, I didn't even do enough when I was by 30. I want to do
00:45:15
more and more and more and everything takes so much time and every agent says it's pretty slow right now. They're not
00:45:22
doing much. >> Our job is part of our job is when people see you on a screen or something,
00:45:28
it kind of looks like you're not really working, >> right? >> And a lot of the work is when you're not
00:45:33
on camera and it's this weight. I mean, I felt it. I talked to Dennis Miller
00:45:37
about that when I first sort of committed to this and it was my job. I was making 600 a month. just this little
00:45:43
bit of weight and I still have it like I got to write another joke or I better David and I are going to play this
00:45:49
theater and >> it's just it's just a interesting mind game. >> You always want to do good or you might
00:45:54
be out. >> Yes. So it's this double whammy of like got to have quant quality but also
00:46:00
content and now everybody wants more content than ever. The the hunger for content.
00:46:05
>> Do you do you do crowd stuff online on like Instagram? I only I I hate where
00:46:12
you from, what do you do? Uh how long you guys been together? I can't stand all that [ __ ] So, I just do um
00:46:18
>> What race are you? >> What What's your least favorite race? >> I just do um show shout out some news
00:46:26
stuff. So, then the moon or they shout out Iran and I can go off on that and that's my clip. Just
00:46:33
>> And so, you do want clips to push gigs to get people in the door. Okay.
00:46:38
>> That That's the name of the game now. It's It's a nightmare, but the clips
00:46:41
really spread like herpes. And that that can uh save your tickets >> because we can't put out a special every
00:46:48
week. >> I know. And you material to get them to see your special, >> right? Right.
00:46:53
>> Horrible. Yeah. >> Damn. So, let's talk about None Too Please because that's why you're here.
00:47:00
>> It's on Netflix. It's number six or seven or eight. I mean, it's I looked at
00:47:05
it the the comedy or whatever. doing extremely well. >> Hey, thanks. We're We got lucky.
00:47:11
>> Yeah. >> Got lucky. You've worked your way off. >> I can't take a compliment. And now today
00:47:17
I'm like, >> I understand. You're That's why you're gonna You're going to keep getting
00:47:20
better. >> I know. The next day they're like, "Congratulations, you're in the top 10.
00:47:26
You got a new act yet?" >> Exactly. >> Tell some jokes. You got funny. Tell
00:47:32
some jokes. >> I thought it looked good. I like the the lighting. I like the way it was shot in
00:47:36
the size of the theater. >> Thanks. Yeah, Boulder Theater. It was a New Orleans themed.
00:47:42
>> That was the uh >> from New Orleans and it was in Boulder. >> Well, the the the green, yellow, and
00:47:48
purple is all New Orleans colored. It was New Orleans music. So, I tried to show a little love to the hometown. But
00:47:53
yeah, thank you. I I really uh pinched some pennies on the last one and I think it hurt me. So So this one I really put
00:48:00
some money into it. >> The money that no one sees. Yes. >> They're like, they're like, "Do you want
00:48:06
to pay for a big blue light?" I'm like, "I don't give a [ __ ] Give me a black
00:48:10
curtain. How about that?" >> I know. I know. >> Okay. We We have 11 cameras.
00:48:15
What? Yeah. We're going to have 11 angles on you. You know, >> usually, Dana, they go, "Here's how much
00:48:21
you're going to get." And they go, "That's good. And now you have to go pay
00:48:24
for it." That's >> They got us by the balls. It's pretty impressive. It's genius because they
00:48:29
know the They have the eyeballs. >> Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a moment in your career so far where afterwards you
00:48:35
were just high as a kite? Because I know you're kind of self-deprecating and
00:48:38
you're pushing yourself like better, better, more, more, more. Do you have any kind of moment you're like, "Fuck, I
00:48:43
landed that." >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. You get the little wins because everybody thinks, "Oh, you
00:48:49
got a Netflix special. You must be ecstatic." And I'm like, "Now, now I'm
00:48:52
worried about it doing well. I'm worried about uh killing." And >> a movie that you might do with Sam. All
00:49:01
right. Well, we're all over the place now. Hold on. Uh uh. >> Yeah. Me and Sam wrote a movie and we
00:49:06
got a backer. We got financing. So, we're hoping to shoot this summer. >> Interesting. Because, you know, David
00:49:14
has a movie coming out that he did. >> Bus Boys. >> Bus Boys. >> That's gonna be big.
00:49:20
>> I think it's the same director. So, that's why I knew about it.
00:49:23
>> Oh, Jonah. >> Jonah. Yeah. >> He's a good egg. >> So, I think I think he told me it would
00:49:29
be probably around New York. Is that what it is? >> Yeah, we're going to shoot in New Jersey
00:49:32
to save a couple bucks. But uh >> Oh, that's better than Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
00:49:37
>> No, that that's okay. Everything's about saving and what's the best way because
00:49:42
all people want to do is really focus on are you guys funny? At the end of the day, same with Buzz Boys. Is the movie
00:49:48
funny? I don't care what the dishes are in the background. I don't It's just
00:49:52
>> go try to be funny. And it's even that's really hard. And uh but it's a it's a
00:49:58
fun thing to do because it's you guys. I think you'll have fun doing it because
00:50:01
it's just one more challenge. >> Yeah. And >> we didn't get the money we wanted. We
00:50:06
wanted this amount of money. We got about half of that. So we just went back into the script and made all right,
00:50:11
let's make the warehouse on the sidewalk. Let's make the yacht in a cab.
00:50:15
Let's make the, >> you know, the airplane in an Uber. >> Let's make Fresno Afghanistan.
00:50:23
>> Let's make the Statue of Liberty. 10 pole things I would say. >> One is uh make sure you have some some
00:50:30
um things that would work if the sound was broke. >> You know, >> funny with the funny with the sound off.
00:50:37
Make sure >> Good point >> that in that you're it's tracking that
00:50:41
no one has to think where are we now? You know the clarity of each what the what's going on. That's all clarity
00:50:49
funny with the sound off. And then, you know, when you have your final read through, make sure you click off
00:50:54
surefire killers and you got six of them set pieces. >> That's good advice.
00:51:00
>> Put everyone in the trailer and then the movie will just go flat. Now, that's a hard part. I mean, even
00:51:06
doing ours, we think we're so [ __ ] hilarious, but it's so hard to make
00:51:10
scenes work. Then you're you're a slave to the [ __ ] plot. And like our plot
00:51:16
is as wispy as you can get. So people understand they want to be waiters, but they're losers. It's like, we got it. So
00:51:25
turn down the volume and then just go, okay, it looks like they're doing something funny here. I'll turn it up
00:51:30
again. >> I have one more piece, one more piece of advice. >> Um, originality, this is not an
00:51:38
absolute. Originality is the death of creativity. You want to make sure that you let The Hangover or whatever or
00:51:45
Tropic Thunder or these classic Will Ferrell comedies, let them wash over you. You know, they're not starting from
00:51:52
scratch. It's not copying, but allow yourself to be influenced by things that
00:51:57
you loved and then you do it in your own way. But if you try to reinvent the wheel completely, so you know, it's like
00:52:04
if you were going to remake an Agatha Christie movie, but you wouldn't it wouldn't be exactly like that. they're
00:52:09
being murdered, the lights go out. So, just allow yourself to be influenced. Look back at those movies and don't
00:52:15
think you're copying. >> Spend a lot of time looking at Wayne's World. One
00:52:20
>> that way. >> I've watched I watched all those rewatched all those just to
00:52:25
>> Yeah. taste. >> It's also new eyes because you're going why is this funny? When do they do an
00:52:31
act break? How are they going to bring together? I saw Anaconda on the plane with Jackpot and it was pretty pretty
00:52:38
well done because now I just did it and I was more involved. I'm like, how much
00:52:42
is that set? Where are they going? Is that doubling for this? How much was this person? Oh, that cast member did
00:52:47
this much stuff and a lot of stuff was landing and it was pretty simple to understand and they had some twists and
00:52:54
I was like, "Oh, I didn't see that coming. That's good." So, overall I was
00:52:57
like, "This is pretty good." And it looked that had a bigger budget. Obviously, they have big stars.
00:53:02
>> Yeah. >> But, uh, That was good. >> I think great. >> Yeah. I mean, it's like there this
00:53:09
director old timey Gary Marshall and he did a movie because script supervisor was on Wayne's World. He did a movie and
00:53:15
it just didn't work at all. He had started Happy Days. His next movie was Pretty Woman, which was a massive hit.
00:53:23
And I said, >> "How to the script supervisor. How did he get so much better?" She goes, "Well,
00:53:28
you know, just learned." So, it's almost like you want to make the movie in your
00:53:34
head or storyboard ahead of time, like learn because you always look back and go, "Oh, we could have done it that way
00:53:41
or this way or that way," which is hard the first one. So, I'm I'm only telling
00:53:45
you this because in case it's slightly useful, you probably thought of all of
00:53:49
it, but um >> we'll think anything. >> It's fun. I mean, if you love movies,
00:53:54
movies are just fun. They're hard work, but I love them when they work. >> Yeah. and they're they're falling by the
00:53:59
wayside. We used to get like five six comedies a year in the 90s and now it's
00:54:04
just like >> few and far between. >> Rated is hard to come. >> Yes. I think Tik Tok and memes have uh
00:54:12
picked up a lot of slack and I think executives are just nervous about making a certain movie or a certain theme and
00:54:21
uh so we're trying to go around them. But >> I think people are craving it. I mean,
00:54:25
Bus Boys is going to be a hit. I can tell. And you know the Joe Dirts, all these movies we we grew up loving. So
00:54:31
like I saw Wayne's World 2 in the theater. >> Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. >> Big silly silly movies. Yeah, I do
00:54:38
think. And it's maybe pretty much a cliche, but uh people probably are craving it in a way. Can I go in and
00:54:45
just laugh my ass off and just relax and not escape? >> I think executives Well, we we the DVD
00:54:53
sales are gone now, so you lose all that and that that hurt it. But I think executives are just like they they love
00:54:59
an office space. They you bring it up to them at a cocktail party, they go, "I
00:55:03
love that movie." And you go, "You want to make one just like it?" And they go,
00:55:05
"Well, no one's going to see that." >> So, >> it is hard. I think they're frozen.
00:55:11
They're like, they want to do it, no one wants to get fired, so no one's making
00:55:15
big moves. They're like, >> I just I could push it off or redevelop it and develop it until I just don't get
00:55:20
fired because what if it comes out >> and offends people? Then I'm out, you
00:55:24
know? Exactly. A little bit of it. >> There's always the oldfashioned mock
00:55:28
documentary which costs like five cents. >> Camera. >> Yeah. >> Well, Mark, we appreciate you coming on,
00:55:36
buddy. >> None too pleased on Netflix. Check them out. It's been a pleasure.
00:55:42
>> I'm gonna I'm gonna keep an eye on you. >> I'm gonna watch your trajectory because
00:55:47
you're >> Thank you. It's an honor. You guys are both uh big fans and Take the Hit was
00:55:52
huge for me and all that. So, uh, hey, and don't forget Police Academy. >> I do.
00:55:58
>> Yeah, >> I would love that. >> No one's mentioned that before. That's
00:56:01
great. What a day. >> Police was so much [ __ ] fun. Oh my god, I was innocent.
00:56:08
>> You see how hot Sharon Stone was in it? >> Oh, unreal. >> I was like, who? And she was so nice on
00:56:15
it. >> Now she looks like you. But uh, yeah, I'm just gonna I'd still go down on her.
00:56:21
>> We're both offended. Thank you. >> See, that's the thing. You back your
00:56:25
thing in your double tank. Of course. I'm just kidding. And then Yeah, it's jokes. It's comedy.
00:56:32
>> We got to talk skateboarding one day. Uh Spade, but >> Oh, are you a skater? Okay. Yeah.
00:56:36
>> I skated for years. >> Oh, [ __ ] Yes. Are do you know Whitney's
00:56:40
husband? >> Yes. Chris Cole. He's a killer. He's He rips. >> Yeah. Uh Okay, buddy. All right.
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