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We got Mark Marin. This is a republished >> uh polished up winner that we had. We
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wanted to let you guys hear again. >> This is Mark Maron, one of the OG monster podcasters out there.
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>> And one I don't know the exact history of kind of one of the pioneers along
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along with Marky. Uh Joey Rogan >> was new. Uh Marky got out there early. But what's interesting about this one as
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you listen to it is like his he's gets to interview Springsteen, Neil Young,
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Obama was a very big deal and we'll talk all about that. It's very interesting
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podcast. Interesting. >> I think he ended his whole run of his whole podcast with Obama.
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>> It's not a bad one to go out with. >> Yeah, that's that's true. It was either
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that or um Senator John Kennedy was going to be his guest. >> Now, you were the first podcaster. That
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did I get that right? Or was it Joey Rogan? [laughter] >> I heard a rumor that Joe Rogan is going
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to change his last name to Joe Roane. And apparently, it's a billion dollar contract.
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>> That would be a good move. >> [laughter] >> It's something we would ask Mark Merrane
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about. Yeah. Right now, you're going to get to listen to >> one of our golden oldies.
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>> Mark Marin. Here he is. >> Are you in the same house? You're in the
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same You have not moved. >> It looks familiar. This This is a different house, but the
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stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all the stuff from that original
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garage is in this room. >> Are you in the same neighborhood? Can you or you don't have to tell us your
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actual You want me to just send you a send you a link to a map where everybody can drop me a picture.
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>> Well, I already have a map of your house. [laughter] That'll be for It's
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called after talk. Anyway, whatever. >> No, I'm in I'm in Glendale. I was in
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Highland Park. >> I got it. >> Yeah. >> I like that place. >> The old place.
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Yeah. I mean, it was casual and cool. You had guitars and >> I still a little more spread out.
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>> Before like it was like that was less than a thousand square feet. One bathroom.
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>> Like if you had to go to the bathroom, you had to go into the same bathroom
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that you know I use. >> I live in a very small house. I Everything you owns your back. I I'm not
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into it. You occupy a house. You live in your body. You can't [ __ ] a house. You
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can't eat it. >> I I think you can't [ __ ] a house. It really just [laughter] depends on where
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where you enter. And >> I saw a thing on about it. [laughter] >> Comedians don't laugh. They just think,
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>> "What about the guy that married his car?" You know, >> I just wanted I want to start the
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podcast this way. Every comedian knows this about you. Ah, where were you, David, when you heard that Mark Maron
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has Barack Obama on his podcast? Cuz I was like, "What the fuck?" Cuz this was
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early days of podcasting, right? I remember being blown away by that. >> I think most people were still kind of
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like what what is a podcast exactly and where do I got to go? >> Yeah, totally. It was 2012, right? So
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>> 16 the it was 16. >> The number of people that used to come to that house would drive up to my
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driveway and literally say like, "Where are we? Is this part of LA? I've never
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been out here. >> What are we doing?" >> Yeah. I can't believe you got him out
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there because I can't believe you got me out there. I can't believe you got Todd
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Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one. >> Yeah. Rich Boss was right after Obama.
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That was tough to get him out. Yeah. It's It gets hard sometimes. >> Was it a a ratings drop so much you
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pulled a muscle or >> We just thought it was appropriate [laughter] to continue what we were doing,
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>> right? >> We did one episode with where me and my producer discussed the day of having
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Obama on the podcast and we went right to Rich and I, you know, Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull. Yeah,
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somewhere lower middle. It's okay. >> Well, Rich is no offense to him. I was
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just laughing like whoever has to follow Obama's just going to be a tough sledding. That's all.
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>> That's right. >> I don't know if he I I don't know if he
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thought about it like that. Rich is a Rich is a good guy. >> I don't think he gives a [ __ ]
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>> So, everyone be had a podcast now. Like literally. So, you you It's you and um
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Rogan, right? 2009. So, >> I guess there was it was really like Corolla was there. Uh, Rogan I don't I
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don't think started at the same I think Rogan started a little after us but uh
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like Jimmy Parardo was there. >> Benson Benson was probably there. Maybe Hardwick was like starting out. I think
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Rogan started a little after me but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing
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podcasts. >> You know Todd Glass is good at not making money and I think he had one
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early. He's a good friend of mine >> right with with Jimmy Door. >> Yeah. So that's a
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I think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking and I think got out
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right before the money maybe. Is that or does he still do it? >> No, I I think that's Todd's whole plan
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in general is to try to [laughter] >> get out get ahead of making the money.
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>> Yeah, that's kind of But [clears throat] what's funny is I used to think uh a
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podcast because he had it at my friend's car shop upstairs which he just rented
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which was perfect. It was perfect. >> Yeah. >> And uh The odd thing about the whole
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undertaking was none of us really there was really no money to be made. You know, Adam was like doing his radio
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show. So, he was kind of subsidized somehow. >> Did he get fired and said, "Okay, I'm
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just going to do it on here." kind of thing. There wasn't a 97.1 maybe >> or he got fed up mad about something
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like that. Whatever. Yeah, >> he was all worked up and, you know, he was going to take his stories about, you
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know, drywalling from 20 years ago elsewhere. [laughter] He is a handyman. >> That's funny. He's [clears throat] a
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He's good with a good with a tool. >> Oh yeah. But [laughter] but I was I was
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like I got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought Corollas I think I went on there a
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little early where I was like before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting which
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>> right >> it was sort of a slow I I could get a feel for it before most people because
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everyone else has just got their head doing their work and they do normal jobs. But I started to go oh no is this
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something? And then uh I said, "I'm going to wait till it's a little late,
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then we're going to try one." So >> yeah. No, but but the good thing about
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when you guys got in is somebody realized like, "Hey, you guys have names. You can't lose." Before it was
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like, "Who the [ __ ] are these guys?" >> We found a way to lose. Well, [laughter]
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>> good for you. >> But I don't think anybody really realizes the the excitement in, you
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know, when you when Corola was like the only game in town. Like I I I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes
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on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla. Uh [laughter] >> that's a good hour of entertainment
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where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, "Okay, well,
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thanks for coming by." It's it's something to be experienced. >> We're working.
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>> There's room room for everybody. But it did you have a Eureka moment that you
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could call back on like, "Holy [ __ ] maybe there's money in this cuz how long
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did you do it essentially for free before >> to arrive to beame?" >> Hold on. My I I'm watching my cat throw
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up. Don't eat plastic. Get out of >> Did you have a urethra moment? I did
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when I peed last night. >> I'm checking celebrity net worth. Okay. Anyway, so
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>> I don't even know if that's right. Well, well, >> no, I'm kidding. I didn't check
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[laughter] >> what happened was there was like at the beginning you you either had if you were going to put up a
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payw wall you couldn't you couldn't get new audience right so we had done a
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radio show >> a goodbye wall >> yeah goodbye wall no no no one welcome
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[laughter] >> let's put up a goodbye wall on ours Dan >> you can do well that was before the uh p
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the what is it called uh what's that that thing everyone does where they can
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get a pay page Pantheon or what is it Oh, >> Rathon. We all don't know Pat.
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>> You know that I know what you mean. Patreon. >> Patreon. Patreon.
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>> Yeah. >> So, what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days. It
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was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve sex toys. And we had >> Crazy Eddie's electronics,
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>> that kind of thing. But then we had the coffee sponsor. But there was there was
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really no way to to to make money and except for the old school radio way. And then ultimately we started working with
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oldtimey radio >> ad people and then Jeff Olrich and Scott Arian put midroll together and uh and
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the earwolf network and that created a platform to get advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone
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sort of came up together but it wasn't until I guess >> hey Charlie get away from the plastic
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Charlie I'm going to throw you out stupid. So um that's how you talk to a
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cat by the way. Is that your com your tech? >> Yeah, that's my producer IT guy.
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>> I don't know. You know, it was a slow going, but the the great thing about it
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was everybody kind of came up together. Sort of like show business. Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all
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went along and then big money got involved and then some people won and some people did okay. Come on,
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>> dude. Charlie's here now. Charlie, give me that. >> Get him out of the Hold on. Let me get
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him out of here. Let me get him out of here. Honestly, Charles, put him on Glendale freeway.
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>> I know. >> Get out. You can eat plastic and throw up. You can't stay in the show is
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Heather, we got to get Charlie on. >> Um but but yeah, I mean it took a long
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time to really get it together and then to uh to make a living. It took years for my producer to come on with me
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permanently. He was actually had another job at MSNBC while he he was kind of moonlighting and he couldn't even admit
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that he worked with me. because >> there's a non-disclosure. He couldn't,
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you know, he couldn't um >> Yeah, it was it was part of his contract with MSNBC and I felt horrible about it
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because he's doing half the work and I and I just had to be like, well, I have
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a mystery guy that uh helps me with this. I send it into the ether once or twice a week.
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>> It's good. More attention on you. That's not horrible. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes not for not great
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for me. >> What What's the headsp space like? Like when you first start doing this, I guess
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when it starts to emerge, you're doing you're starting to be successful,
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>> right? >> And you're going, "Okay, I did this interview, I get this many this
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reaction. >> I do this interview. Holy [ __ ] this is 10 times 10x." >> Well, I think the the exciting part
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about it was was like as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not
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many people were doing anymore. So the entertainment press sort of realized I was doing most of their job. So we got a
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lot of attention, but I was really focused on having these conversations and trying to uh you know make amends
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where necessary. I think the first hundred episodes are me just uh having people over so I can talk about my
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problems and apologize to them. And that's >> and it's weird how many times you do
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that and people go like I had no idea what you're talking about and you're
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like I'm a [ __ ] idiot. So So that was how that unfolded. But the excitement of
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having Robin on with cuz that interview seems to be like the only interview like
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that. Like when he when he died it was everywhere because he never talked like that and and those kind of rare
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conversations definitely happened. >> That was interesting because you did it
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became very very real with Robin and he never you know he had made amends to me in Mil Valley on a sidewalk just after a
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show. Yeah. And I didn't know why >> for a bit he just stole. >> Sorry.
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>> I I just said to him, he thinks he think had some idea that I took I I said I
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tried to do you. You don't understand. I >> I had a trunk of props. I worshiped you.
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You know, and I don't know if it was from AA or something like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way. You
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know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're forgiven. But I didn't. He thought I had
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a thing where I named my dick Mr. happy and that he took that from me. I know that's not true. I never did Mr. Happy.
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Look what the Look where this goes on podcast. >> That was That's hilarious. That was the
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amends. It wasn't even like some deep personal affront. It's like I I know you
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might have called your dick Mr. Happy and Oh, that's the best amend I' ever
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heard in my life. >> To me, 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller's wedding, we were at the same
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table. I wonder perhaps I got Mr. Happy from you. And I go, no. And then it it it tortured him.
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>> It stuck with him. Well, the the funny thing about that interview is I drove up
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there to Mil Valley to his house. And what I realized it was the same with Mel Brooks
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>> is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, >> they're not going to turn it on like
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that. Like it was just me and Robin. If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie Hall
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set. >> Yeah. >> My dick's name is Mr. Sad. And a side note, and no one's stolen it yet.
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>> Ah. Oh, >> okay. That's all I wanted. [laughter] Go ahead. Just want to stop the momentum.
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This My dick's name is You got this. You got it. [laughter] >> My dick's name is Come on, champ. Come
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on. >> Yeah. >> My pronouns are What's up, [ __ ] >> Yeah. There you go. Call Rosenne.
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>> So, you get successful. >> We I want to do a deep dive on you. Yes.
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But your brand authenticity. >> No. I have a question for Mark Mary. >> Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How
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do I How did I get this gig? >> No, this is good because >> No, you your story of SNL. Just a quick
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insert, David. When we interviewed Lauren Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for SNL just
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to get ideas of how Lauren is in that environment. So, >> yeah, he really >> you are an SNL guy. Your journey with
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that is fascinating. If you want to talk about it for >> my obsession with it. What's your
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question, David? I I I'd like to converse. Mhm. >> This one won't we we can do this first
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or SNL first, but mine was Why did you start it? Was it only to make amends? Was that to start a podcast?
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>> No, because you know, I was kind of down for the count. You know, it turns out
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that, you know, 50 Conan don't necessarily >> don't add up to a Carson. [laughter]
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>> Don't add up to Conan >> an audience. >> I was going to say I saw 50 Conan on
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here and I was going to say, does that bump your road? Does it you know? No, it didn't. And I don't
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>> 50 Conan >> I don't even know like I could I never could pull an audience and and uh you
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know I was I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place. I just gotten fired from this radio gig. Uh
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well it was it was a streaming gig for Air America and there were a couple podcasts out there and we were like
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let's let's figure it out. I talked to my producer who I've known since he was
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a kid uh 24 years old. He he worked with me forever and we just figured it out. But it was really desperation and
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wanting to stay in the game somehow because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of you know kind of you know
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be comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner and >> match game. Well, maybe. [laughter]
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>> Yeah, I know. I know. Believe me, every friends that are in that mid-level
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market and there's cruise ships and old folks homes and clubs, off label clubs
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out in the Hinder tough, but I couldn't do it. There was no way I could have done it. How am I
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going to do a cruise ship? I can barely do like what I don't know. But because
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of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, everything that I have now came from that like, you know, doing
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the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs, everything happened because of that sort
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of act of of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future. There was no I wasn't getting into a business that
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was like, "This is going to we're going to really make some money on this." It
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was like we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it. >> Yeah. You were like Bitcoin. Like no one
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cared. >> No one cared. I wasn't Yeah. I wasn't even a meme at that point.
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>> Yeah. [laughter] >> But it worked out. I mean, you know, thank God it worked out. I don't even I
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can't even explain it because I don't I'm not like a big uh not a big think. I
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don't think about money, David. >> Yeah. Oh, you don't? >> I like having it enough to eat.
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>> Yeah. >> You know, like that's that's the that's how my brain works is like, well, what
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do you how you you have money now. What do you do? I can eat wherever I want. And
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>> that's the ceiling. >> Money. Money is freedom. That's what
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it's for. Even the great Neil Young about two years ago finally sold part of
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his catalog >> and said, "I can." And this is Neil Young. You'd think he'd be so rich, but
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he he said, "Now I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want. I don't have to tour if I
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don't want to." That he bought his freedom. So money to me, especially as a
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older comedian, you want to be able to work the way you want to work. So that's
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>> what's interesting about Neil Young is he really he kind of held back on what
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seems to be about 50 records he never released. So somehow or another, he can release records every year or so, you
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know, from 1970. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. >> He can >> if you have if you're spending three
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four million a year, then you have you need a lot of money to cough that up, you know. But I was going to ask you
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about your library because is it 1600 episodes or something? >> Something like that.
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>> Yeah, it's like about 1,600. But Neil came over once. That was that was
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interesting with Neil. >> Oh, you interviewed Oh, you had Neil. What? Tell me about that. I didn't hear
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that one. >> Well, because I you know I'm I'm enough of a fan to know enough about him. It's
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I'm much better if I'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing
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>> and I didn't know what to expect. He was out pushing, remember when he he made
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that that he was part partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the iPod?
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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a sound fanatic. It was something else.
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>> No, I I it was it was like a a box, >> like a portable box. Oh, what was it
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called? So they send me this thing and they send me these fancy ear headset and it's it picks up a bigger spectrum of
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sound and people have to re-record for but the what was it called? Doesn't matter.
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>> So they send me >> look it up. >> They send me the thing >> and I listen to it. I'm like all right
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what whatever I just wanted I'll talk to Neil Young. So, [laughter] so he they
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sent me the thing and they're and I was told that like when they get there you're going to have to give it back and
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I'm like all right whatever. So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous
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because it's [ __ ] Neil Young and like I I know that with somebody like him
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because I'm not a huge fan. Every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be
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listening for for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. That's something I've learned
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with with guys like Springsteen and these guys interview. So Neil comes over with his like 80year-old posi. He's got
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he's got two two guys with him that, you know, must have been in their 70s. Elliot, his manager, who passed away,
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and another guy. And >> the manager is even older than the old guy. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Except for uh George
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Shapiro, who was Carl Riner's cousin. Younger, but still old. I don't even
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know if he's still alive, but >> Pono, I think he passed away. >> Pono. Yeah. Pono.
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>> Pono music. Digital service music. Yeah. So they come over and Neil walks in and
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you remember the house. You said it like it's just two rooms. He's looking at my
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records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around and and I
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say, "Uh, all right. So, I guess you guys can have back the the Pomo and the
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headphones." And Neil just, you know, just goes, "Uh, no, you can keep them."
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So, I'm thinking, "I'm in. This guy likes me." Right. So, >> yeah.
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>> We go out to the garage. Mhm. >> And I decided the way to the way to
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start with him is just I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it. So I figured that'll get
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things started, right? So I get Neil out there and I'm like, "So you probably
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recognize that amp there, right?" He's like, "No, I don't know what you're
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talking about." >> Yeah. >> And I'm like, "Fuck." And then it was
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just, >> well, he did though, but I didn't know. No one told me he likes to [ __ ] with
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interviewers, so he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn't until I got him
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laughing that it opened up. But it took like 15 minutes and it was like it was hard. But then like all of a sudden he
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pops open. He's talking about doing Pilates with the Daryl Hannah and all this stuff is coming out.
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>> And then apparently he goes home and at his house Dan Rather is waiting to
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interview him >> for Dan Rather's podcast. I don't know or >> whatever the hell it was, right? Cable.
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>> And my buddy Brendan's friend works for Rather. And apparently Neil Young walks
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in and he come from my house. He kind He says, "I just did a really great interview." And Dan Rather off camera,
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of course, says, "What made it great?" He goes, "Uh, the guy was fearless and
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he wasn't afraid to fail." And I'm like, "Hey, that's good. That's a good blur."
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>> Wow. >> But he tested me. He definitely tested me. >> Wow. >> I would freak out
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>> that we had we had um Dave and I similar thing with Paul McCartney. I don't know
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>> if you have or with your personality, but podcast regret like why did I
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interrupt him then? That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? And I'll be kind of in my head
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really for a couple weeks sometimes. McCartney bothered me for probably a month.
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>> I uh I get what I get is like, [ __ ] I forgot to cover the most important thing
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they're known for. Yeah. But um but I interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me. But it's like for
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but for me it's like it's got to be a conversation and I have to be part of
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it. So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny. I had to interview
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him in front of a crowd and that was really one of the best moments I've had
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talking to somebody. Because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record
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and and a lot of them like Roger Waters or like I've interviewed a lot of Thomas
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Dolby whatever. They think that the record they're out promoting is their best [ __ ] right? And it's like, "All
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right, I I'll play along." So with McCartney, [laughter] >> so with McCartney, he's out selling, it
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was at Capital Records, it was an event, but the record that he had had out was Egypt Station or something, which no one
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bought. But >> Mhm. >> I said to him, I said, "Uh, so Paul, you
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know, a lot of artists who who are in your age group, they they really think that they're doing their their best work
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now. Do you do you feel that way?" And without missing a beat, he goes, "Well,
00:23:06
I was in the Beatles, so that's a pretty high bar." It was so funny. >> That's That's And I was the guy that
00:23:13
told him that Manson had died. He didn't know. >> Huh. I think for for me, there's a lot
00:23:19
of us. >> How where are you in the SP? I mean for I I wanted to ask you musically but also
00:23:25
movies but with music what what is there a guy somebody you haven't had yet or
00:23:29
who was your true north star was it was it well Roger Waters Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon um for me Paul
00:23:38
McCartney a beetle was kind of the >> was great and I met Ringo recently who
00:23:42
I'm sure you've met he's a pretty sweet guy >> No we would love to interview Ringo
00:23:46
>> yeah I I met him at some odd listening party that I got invited to by T-Bone
00:23:50
Bernett of of Ringo new country record and that crowd was pretty interesting to see these like 75year-old hippie girls
00:23:58
who are still kind of hippie girls but they're 75 but [laughter] uh >> wait who had the country album Ringo?
00:24:05
>> Yeah put it out. Yeah >> TBone Bernett produced it and I think he
00:24:10
prod he No Beyonce did I think she got a little more press but um >> but no for me the North Star I've had
00:24:17
most of them. Springsteen wasn't Springsteen was funny because, you know, and I just saw him because I did a bit a
00:24:25
little part in that that movie they're making about him. But I I went to Jersey, dude. I went to his house in
00:24:33
Jersey like Christmas week and he just put that book out and you know, it turns out he's a very dark dude, very hard on
00:24:41
himself, but all this stuff. >> But like, you know, he's got this thing
00:24:44
he does publicly. That's the other trick, getting around people's public
00:24:47
personas cuz you know Bruce is sort of like, "Hey, me and the guys went down
00:24:51
this boardwalk and [laughter] so >> saw some [ __ ] wrote a song." >> Yeah. So
00:24:57
>> yeah, we we know about all about that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's the underbite.
00:25:02
>> I get there and like I said, he's up in his house. I'm waiting in some sort of
00:25:07
like this other structure that's got his guitars, his motorcycle in it. And I'm
00:25:13
waiting for Bruce and he yeah he has no idea really I don't think who I am because he's walking down [laughter]
00:25:18
he's walking down from the house. His publisher and publicist said you should
00:25:22
do this one and he's walking down from the house. I just see him coming down
00:25:25
little Bruce. >> Yeah. And he's holding the book and I'm like oh he doesn't know what he's
00:25:30
getting into. So >> here we [laughter] >> So he sits down and I'm just trying I
00:25:34
want to break the ice quick because again I don't I'm not I love Bruce but
00:25:37
I'm not a huge Springsteen fan. So, so I said to him, I said, "Uh, so uh, so
00:25:43
what's going on up at the house? I had preparation for the holidays, cooking
00:25:47
and presents." And he goes, "Correct." And I'm like, "Can I talk to that guy
00:25:52
for the whole hour?" Whoever the guy that just went correct with that tone, I
00:25:57
want that spring. [laughter] >> And and and what how did you did you do that? Did you
00:26:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I kind of reeled them in because like I by inserting myself into
00:26:09
the conversation, they kind of they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless
00:26:13
they're complete douchebags like Ben Kingsley. So, >> and I don't mean to name drop, but
00:26:19
>> I love I love Sexy Beast. >> [ __ ] [clears throat] unbelievable.
00:26:23
>> It was the the worst interview. Like, I should have told him to leave. It was
00:26:28
that bad. And I don't know why I didn't >> because you and he's hung up on me. I'm
00:26:33
being called uh uh knight >> sir. >> Sir sir sir Ben. >> So I and I didn't do that at the
00:26:39
beginning and I wish I said I wish I just said sir Ben we don't have to do this. We don't have to do it. Um, but
00:26:45
anyway, >> with Bruce, I kind of pushed in, you know, and I to the point where I was
00:26:51
relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff. And I just remember
00:26:54
there was this moment where, you know, we're talking about what you get from an
00:27:00
audience and how like it it it's like not enough sometimes. And he was like,
00:27:04
"Of course it isn't." So, I had him locked into a real conversation, which
00:27:09
again, I heard from another person. And I got some notes on that too because Paul Wilkinfeld, do you know her? The
00:27:16
bass player. >> Mhm. >> She's a little prodigy. She plays with everybody and she's
00:27:21
>> Oh, play with Jeff Beck at one point. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:27:25
>> And she hangs around the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press
00:27:28
tour and she I guess was, you know, somewhere with Bruce and she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers
00:27:34
and and Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk about, you just talk about what you want to talk about.
00:27:42
Just, you know, bulldoz. >> Yeah. >> And then she said, uh, well, you know,
00:27:46
my friend Mark Merin interviewed you and he said, yeah, he pushed. [laughter] >> Oh, that's good. Well, you know, I think
00:27:53
Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that. He'd say, you'd ask him a question like,
00:27:57
"What happened with those maids?" And he goes, "This movie is unbelievable."
00:28:00
[laughter] >> He just, he's like, cuz you can't use anything but what he says, and he
00:28:03
doesn't even acknowledge your question. >> I love that Arnold can never go
00:28:07
negative. He had one movie, I guess, Last Action Hero, he's on Matt Lowour. Well, the box office wasn't quite No,
00:28:14
people love the movie and it's a great hit all over the world. >> [laughter]
00:28:17
>> you know, there's a he can't ever go negative, but uh >> the best dance he does is around his dad
00:28:23
probably being a Nazi. That that's the great dance cuz he'll he'll always
00:28:27
preempt up with like, you know, I have many Jewish friends, you know, like, okay, okay,
00:28:31
>> okay, [laughter] >> we taught us salute and for us it was just if you want a candy bar, you do the
00:28:38
salute and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand. You know what it was about and things like this and all
00:28:44
these things and these people and what these aliens all this stuff all this stuff.
00:28:50
>> Does he ever talk about the maid? We love Arnold. >> He has a relationship with the kid, you
00:28:54
know, and I think you after a certain point you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was,
00:29:00
he's he's owned it and you know he's he's he's good with the kid. So
00:29:04
>> once everything came out and he finally goes, "All right, let's go bench."
00:29:09
>> [laughter] >> And the kids like trying to meet him in the middle like I work out.
00:29:15
>> Yeah, you're my dad. Look at my face. >> Yeah, [laughter] it is what you can't
00:29:19
run and you have to move on. Yeah, it's a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers,
00:29:23
I've got three older brothers and we always say, "What would Arnold do?" Only
00:29:27
for [laughter] the positivity of it. >> It is what it is and you have to move on
00:29:31
and I love everybody and it rather than negative and whiny. It seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of
00:29:40
artists in some ways. So you go with that. Did you? Because Springsteen's whole book is about that.
00:29:46
>> Oh yeah. Well, that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't
00:29:49
let you do that. >> Like he he's got a switch in his head. Like he won't even hear it. Like you
00:29:55
know and he's very charming. Like he you know Oh yeah. >> Like he you know he gets on he sits
00:30:00
down. He goes look at your pics. You know like you know like [laughter] He goes right into it and you you kind
00:30:07
of feel flattered. You're like, "Oh, thank you." Yeah. >> Somebody skip Delt. You know what he
00:30:11
said to us, Mark? He goes, "How do you guys stay so lean?" You know, because
00:30:17
you're little and the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs
00:30:22
live longer than the big dogs. Two little dogs interviewing. >> So little.
00:30:27
>> The whole time he's not even listening to our questions. Is he just staring at
00:30:30
our physique going, >> the rib cage? >> I need to get small. When you get older,
00:30:36
you have to be small cuz the heart and all the things has to work harder and all the things and all the
00:30:42
>> I think his heart kind of blew up, didn't it? He's got some had some work
00:30:45
done in there. >> I have another question for Mark. This my second one. Mark, do you think you
00:30:57
don't remember this, you were in the movie Joker now? Do you think that did you do you think what happened to the
00:31:03
second Joker in your humble opinion? >> I don't know what I I think Todd
00:31:09
Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind and decided to take this interesting
00:31:16
cinematic risk that, you know, uh, you know, failed miserably apparently. But, uh, I didn't see it. Did you?
00:31:24
>> I heard about it. I couldn't get through the poster. >> I didn't see it. I just
00:31:29
>> couldn't get >> I I couldn't take when I the [laughter] >> No. And I love Todd Phillips. I think
00:31:38
it's one of those things as as I backtrack. I think it's one of those things where
00:31:42
>> great movie Dana was about to say some comments, but same thing. great movie
00:31:46
and then it it's it's just crazy if you can do literally anything you want and
00:31:51
he just goes let me just try this will work or won't work. >> Well, the interesting thing is is he he
00:31:57
had a you know he rebuilt a a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first
00:32:04
one. >> So cool. So weird and cool. And you know, uh, it was, >> I don't know, you he was nice to me and
00:32:11
that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert Dairo and, you know, I
00:32:20
thought that movie was pretty good, that first Joker, but who the hell knows why,
00:32:24
you know, he's a gambler, dude. You know, he just is like, you know, [ __ ] it. Sure, let's let's do it. And yeah, I
00:32:29
don't know >> what's his uh net worth. I mean, he has freedom. I think if he got a backend on
00:32:34
the hangover, He's got a back end on everything. He's like I think known for
00:32:38
foregoing a director's fee. >> Super back end. >> Yeah. For a high percentage of the back
00:32:43
end. >> But but that scene with Dairo was like that was that was a great that was a
00:32:48
great moment for me because >> you know I you know I know that Dairo's
00:32:53
not he's not going to remember me. You know I'm just one of those guys that
00:32:56
he's met a hundred guys that do two lines with him. Right. >> You're forgettable. Yeah.
00:33:00
>> Yeah. And uh I know it's it's painful, but uh but we're chatting and whatever,
00:33:04
you know, >> but it's one scene where we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm
00:33:10
supposed to be like, you know, his producer. >> Those are hard, by the way.
00:33:14
>> They are at home. >> It got cut out. But uh but that, you know, we you know, Todd's there, Bob's
00:33:20
there, and and it's like, "You guys just want to go? You ready to do it?" I'm
00:33:23
like, "Yeah, let's Yeah, let's do one." So So we do this walk and talk, and I'm
00:33:27
like guy. And he's like, "Yeah, yeah. and [laughter] and Phillips goes cut. And I go back to my
00:33:36
chair and I see Robert go to his chair and then I see Robert walk over to Todd and then walk back to his chair and then
00:33:43
and then then Todd walks over to me and he goes, "Hey, you're you're coming in a
00:33:47
little hot." [laughter] [clears throat] >> Just remember Bob's your boss. I'm like,
00:33:54
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I got it." But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob
00:33:57
handled it correctly on set. He went and told the director like, "Hey, you know,
00:34:01
I think he's, you know, he's not really his name." >> Will you tell him?
00:34:09
>> Tell him tell Mr. Marin. >> Yeah. I had a girl say it to my face.
00:34:15
>> She said, >> it was just an I did an old movie and then uh I had to kiss a girl. Well, I
00:34:20
won't say who. I had to kiss her and I said, "Hey, before and I don't know how
00:34:23
I've never done this on camera." Like, she goes, "Just kiss me like I'm your
00:34:26
girlfriend. Just anything. I don't care." >> And I said, "All right." So, I I just
00:34:31
kiss her, not not crazily. I just kiss her, but I touch her cheek and kiss her. And they go, "Cut." And we're all like,
00:34:36
"Okay." And the director comes up and she says, she's not even one foot away
00:34:41
from my face. She goes, "Can you tell him not to touch my face?" >> Wow.
00:34:46
>> And him was me. She did the correct way. She told the director, but right there,
00:34:52
>> I just made me think of that cuz I was like I was horrified. I'm like, oh. Cuz
00:34:56
you know, kissing someone is so too it's so scary and you just don't >> That's interesting though, right? That's
00:35:02
interesting because she said, "Kiss me like you're my my girl, like she's your
00:35:07
girlfriend." >> But apparently the intimacy of the hand touch Yeah. >> was not something she anticipated. Or
00:35:14
maybe she just has never had a a a boyfriend that she let touch her face. >> Yes. And I and I wasn't like a super
00:35:21
Frenchon. I was just trying to like give her a little mega, you know, just to open it. You just kiss a little bit.
00:35:26
It's nothing crazy. It's cute little movie. Nobody gets hurt. And uh >> you never know what's going to happen
00:35:31
with those things, you know. >> So you kissed Bob Dairo. I got like every off camera. That was crazy.
00:35:36
>> You go, "Hey, I'm ad libing." >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm improvising. Can we
00:35:40
improvise? >> But were you scared? I did a quick scene in the old days with William Defoe in my
00:35:44
very very old days in a part that Dana turned down and um during SNL and well Paul Shrader was the director
00:35:53
>> and I was almost sick from nerves cuz I'm going and William Defoe super cool
00:35:58
did one scene same thing he wouldn't remember in a million years but of course you get your nerves just ramp up.
00:36:05
Mine were it's Dairo. It's still no matter what it's >> Oh, totally. I I felt okay about it
00:36:10
because I don't know like I think I'm getting better at acting. But the benefit I talked to W Defo Not a great
00:36:16
time. Not a great [laughter] time. >> Not a great time. >> We've had some toughies on here, too.
00:36:22
Some are toughies. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was
00:36:26
like, come on, dude. You know, it's like just roll. For [ __ ] sake, >> I got to look at your face for an hour.
00:36:32
So [laughter] >> he's got a lot of character in his face. >> He's great character.
00:36:38
>> It's not It's not a negative thing necessarily. It's intense.
00:36:43
>> It's an intense face to stare at for an hour. >> Yeah. >> But uh but no, in terms of nerves, I
00:36:49
think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people because like,
00:36:53
you know, after a certain number of celebrities you talk to, they're like, "Wow, they're just people and some of
00:36:58
them, you know, aren't even that interesting." So, uh, so knowing that going in,
00:37:04
>> it's true and it's not a bad thing, but, uh, I I I I seem to qualify a lot of
00:37:09
things. That's not negative. I'm not I'm not positive. [laughter] >> The qualifier. Mark Marin is the
00:37:17
qualifier. >> What happens when you go, "Hey, Bob, when you want if you ever want to buzz
00:37:20
over to the Glendale, I want you to pop in." And >> I'd like to talk to him, but he's he's
00:37:25
one of those guys I can't get. There are certain directors chatter, though. That's not probably
00:37:29
>> He's got more chatty. >> Who are we talking about? I miss Dairo.
00:37:34
>> Bob Dairo. Oh, but like in terms of nerves, I was I was more nervous when I
00:37:38
had to I just did an indie where I had to play the lead and that was a real that I was nervous about that because,
00:37:46
you know, I had I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and I was
00:37:51
pretty confident. And then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone and it it it was
00:37:57
a lifechanging terrifying thing that was kind of amazing. >> And I was nervous to to do a scene with
00:38:05
her. >> Yeah. >> And uh >> she's kind of intimidating. >> A big star. That's a big
00:38:11
>> dude. >> Big star. It was crazy. I think I got to save the story for when and if the movie
00:38:16
ever comes out because I told it and I don't want to necessarily spoil anything. But she did the movie because
00:38:22
she likes me and it's one scene and it was great. And Lily Gladstone was in it.
00:38:27
Uh Alan Ruck. Uh Michael McKeen played my manager. >> Love him. >> Yeah. The what's his name? Jason. Is it
00:38:35
Jason? No, it's not Jason. >> No, the kid from um Oh, now I feel bad. >> Oh, he was so [ __ ] funny.
00:38:43
>> Silver Spoons. Baitman. >> No, you know the one used to do the Apple commercials was involved with Drew
00:38:48
Barrymore. Justin Long. Justin Long. >> Oh, Justin Long. Yep. >> Funny [ __ ] That guy.
00:38:53
>> Yeah, I like him. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. So [ __ ] funny. But I was
00:38:58
nervous about that, but I I just did the best I could. That's all you can do,
00:39:01
right? >> Does anybody call you after your podcast? And who has asked for the most
00:39:05
to be taken out? Don't people go take this out, take that, or do you say no?
00:39:10
>> No. No. I'm not I'm not in the business of sandbagging people. It's not our our
00:39:14
jam. >> That's our business. >> Well, that's good. I hope I gave you
00:39:17
enough uh [snorts] [laughter] back. You give us a little sand, >> not enough for a bag.
00:39:23
>> But, uh, almost always, I would say always, >> it's only because they said something
00:39:29
about somebody else that probably couldn't even have even been taken in a negative way. It's never
00:39:35
>> like them. Yeah. Like just like, you know, I didn't have to say that about,
00:39:38
you know, we're kind of friends and >> Yeah. Yeah. It comes off funny and then
00:39:41
later they go, "What if they get mad or what?" >> Yeah. Yeah. And people do get mad.
00:39:45
Everyone's talking too much. That's the problem with everyone having a [ __ ]
00:39:48
podcast is like, you know, actors, you know, are are just coming out with like, well, 20 years ago, it's like, oh my
00:39:54
god, we can't get out from under this thing. No one shuts up anymore. [laughter]
00:39:59
>> I see ones now it's like full sex life. They people just can't have nowhere else
00:40:02
to go. So now it's like, >> here's everything in my life. Here's
00:40:05
about my plastic surgery. Here's >> here follow me and my camera into my
00:40:09
plastic surgery into my, you know, kidney. >> What are we doing? Yeah. or people
00:40:14
talking about, you know, uh, you know, moments they had with people like 20 years ago that,
00:40:20
>> well, not even that, just like awkward moments and it's like, why'd you even
00:40:23
have to do that? Why' you I mean, what was >> But some people are like, it almost
00:40:29
seems like they're making up horrible things because they're running out of
00:40:32
content. >> I know. >> Like have a big announcement and you're like this it takes to it's happens to be
00:40:36
your hundth episode. [laughter] >> Well, we know what would trend and get pickup, you know. Uh, I don't I really I
00:40:44
don't. >> You never really know what they pick up. Sometimes you do. >> Well, it is surprising, but if you have
00:40:48
someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting the scoop, they have not talked
00:40:53
about this. Like Robin, you kind of it's going to trend. But it but they've been
00:40:58
on five podcasts by the time they get to us >> then, right? Well, no, that's a problem.
00:41:02
But with Robin, there was no trending hadn't happened yet. So, >> okay.
00:41:06
>> And it was quite a lot of hoops to jump through just to get him to do it. And
00:41:11
you know, it just worked out because I was a comic and I'm also like have a dark side and there was no one else
00:41:18
there that we got this conversation and thank God we did because it's it seems
00:41:22
to be the only like he literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters
00:41:29
did riffs on suicide at their end of the interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to
00:41:35
talk to him. >> How did he pass away? uh Jonathan Winters. He he passed away
00:41:41
in character which is weird. So it's not clear whether he really dies. >> He was actually Ma Frickard and they
00:41:46
buried him in the dress which I thought was inappropriate. >> He's a guy that my dad used to tell me
00:41:51
now this is comedy and he was funny and then when Robin was like oh this guy but
00:41:56
I couldn't appreciate it growing up. I just thought he was funny. I didn't know
00:41:59
how good you know you can never really tell. I thought they were all those characters like I thought
00:42:04
>> John Winners did was very specific and very detailed. It was not just ad hoc.
00:42:09
>> He was out there, dude. He was like out there like it was there's I had a
00:42:14
beautiful moment with him in his house. It was And I always tell the story. I don't know if it really lands. So,
00:42:20
that's a good setup. Uh >> yeah, but >> give us the unlandables.
00:42:25
>> Okay. [laughter] Well, we're we're at his house. >> I'm already in. I'm all in because it's
00:42:29
Jonathan Winters and you're talking to >> he you know, he's like he's got this
00:42:33
sort of weird, you know, childlike, you know, thing that, you know, he in in his
00:42:38
house. They had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane and he wore a like a a Union
00:42:44
Army colonel's brimmed hat. But we uh we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me what he said. I want
00:42:53
to show you the planes. Right. So what that ultimately was is that he has this for post bed, four poster bed in this
00:43:01
bedroom and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes. All right, that's that's the destination we're
00:43:06
heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just pictures from a
00:43:10
career in show business. There's Jonathan Winters in every star you could imagine. And then he stops and he points
00:43:16
to this old ass picture of this boy with a with a puppy and he goes, "I miss that
00:43:24
dog." And I was like, "Oh my gosh." You're like this whole life of of
00:43:30
entertainment. And that's what you know the dog he's a little kid. >> Sweet, right?
00:43:36
>> That's supposed to be sad. David, >> that's kind of interesting. Danny, I
00:43:40
know someone who had dinner with Dan at Danny Kay's house. >> Yeah. >> And he was very quiet during the dinner
00:43:45
and they're letting everyone out. It's the same kind of thing. Hall of Fame
00:43:48
wall Danny K pictures. Someone asked one question. Then it was two hours photo by
00:43:54
photo. Here I am with Jack Benny. Here I am here. Here I am here. They were >> You ever watched those Have you watched
00:44:00
any of those? Like not the not the the Dean Martin roasts, but >> there there's footage somewhere, I don't
00:44:06
know where I found it, some streaming service of actual Friars Club roasts >> that were done.
00:44:12
>> Oh, yeah. I I seen one. >> It's always the same guys. And it's not
00:44:16
a great day as Henny Youngman's always there. And there they literally have him
00:44:20
on and you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he he doesn't
00:44:23
roast anybody. He just does his horrible jokes. So they just they just have him on to bust his balls.
00:44:28
>> Yeah. >> But what what was >> what was so interesting about so many of
00:44:32
those is just how horribly unfunny some of them are. [laughter] >> The one who always got me and I I'm
00:44:40
curious about old timey. Here we go again. Was always as a kid was Don Rickles. the best
00:44:46
>> just the funniest uh and and and and dry like weird no joke like get dad a cookie
00:44:53
put him in the corner >> pack him in ice Ice he doesn't know the show started there's no real jokes it's
00:44:58
the rhythm it's just the camera goes >> and the the sense of mayhem that he
00:45:03
doesn't know exactly where he's going >> if you wrote it all down you couldn't
00:45:07
find a funny joke in there look at this that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck what does that mean it
00:45:14
sounds like a joke Johnny, the show started. Okay. [laughter] You know, funniest [ __ ] guy.
00:45:19
>> Ed's over there going, "Oh, [laughter] >> that's it."
00:45:23
>> He was very Give him a cookie. Yeah. [laughter] The funniest one. He used to
00:45:28
live when he did those roasts and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there like Carrie Grant or Jimmy
00:45:33
Stewart. He would say, "Jimmy, I talked to the family. You're doing fine."
00:45:38
[laughter] >> That's so funny. I know. You just can't be >> Jimmy. Do you know where you are?
00:45:45
>> Yeah. Do you ever see that the the Clint Eastwood roast? He said one of the
00:45:49
funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard. It was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you
00:45:56
know, it wasn't a roast, the tribute. >> So, he gets up, he says, you know, he
00:46:00
start opens with, I I don't know why I'm here. I thought this was a tribute to MV
00:46:04
Griffin or whatever. >> But, but they've had a whole evening at this point. And he says, uh, what a
00:46:11
wonderful evening. He says, "Uh, uh, Clint, your your son played bass. We sat
00:46:16
through that." [laughter] Such a rip. >> This is [laughter] so good. >> Everyone kind of laughs like
00:46:27
>> they had to cut to the kids who, you know, took it well in the moment, but
00:46:30
probably, you know, not great. >> And like that everyone was drunk was funny. They were like, he goes, "Oh, I
00:46:34
had a few drinks back." You know, >> he's so funny when he that that older
00:46:39
Rickles on Letterman with Denzel Washington. That is that's so funny. >> What is he saying? Look at the black guy
00:46:45
over here. >> Well, he he No, that was it was a little post that. But he he he just kept
00:46:50
busting on Letterman mumbling. He just he wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like
00:46:55
Letterman opens with like you and Frank have been friends a long time and both your wives are named Barbara, right? And
00:47:01
Rickles goes, "What are you, a detective? Listen to this guy." >> Yeah, [laughter]
00:47:06
>> I've seen that. >> It's the best. I know. >> That's so awesome. Yeah, those old
00:47:13
roast, the Dean Martin, those are the coolest ones. >> Those are good. Yeah, they're great
00:47:16
because it was like everybody in Hollywood. It felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these
00:47:21
special people and now they just let anyone in. >> Have you been roasted on the
00:47:27
>> any of these roast? >> Comedy Central or andor would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be
00:47:32
roasted? >> I don't I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights of my life
00:47:36
on the day of the Chvy Chase. Oh, that's a famous one, right? Because that was
00:47:41
when you were at that one. >> Yeah. I was one of the guys and you know, all I can say I could say more,
00:47:49
but you know, after that, I was in a room at that that [ __ ] Hilton in New York with my buddy Sam almost on the
00:47:55
verge of tears thinking like, I can't do this. I can't do comedy anymore. I can't
00:47:58
do it anymore. It was so [ __ ] I bombed so hard. So hard. And I'm not good at that. I'm sorry. So you roast
00:48:06
Chevy does and and I think back then I was thinking wait this is the first roast I'm seeing where not everyone is
00:48:12
great friends with them. So it's a very odd vibe like >> I don't think they could have gotten
00:48:16
they could hit Yeah. We didn't know that back. I mean I just thought I used to
00:48:20
see Dean Martin and they go hey there's my buddy over here and here go red buttons. Yeah. But to go
00:48:25
>> hardly any SNL people there and I had pretty good jokes, but I but by by my
00:48:32
nature if I'm insulting somebody I I really mean it to to it's hostile and I
00:48:38
don't have the the [laughter] >> by my nature. I don't have the the distance necessary
00:48:45
to make it funny. But I had good jokes and thank god they sweetened the [ __ ] out of it. But in the room, I tanked
00:48:52
hard and so did a lot of people. >> How big a crowd? It's not a big crowd,
00:48:56
is it? >> No, I just remember the pain on Chevy's face watching it. >> He didn't want to be there.
00:49:01
>> He didn't want to be there. >> Pain because it's it's, "Oh, is this
00:49:05
what they think of me?" It's like me doing an impression to someone. If they
00:49:08
get upset, it's like, "Oh, is this how I'm coming across?" It's the ultimate
00:49:11
mental >> Yeah. >> game. I mean, David, you did one, right? Got roasted.
00:49:15
>> I did one. I wouldn't get roasted. It's actually never got roasted, but you were
00:49:19
the MC. >> I said I'd host one. I don't even know why because all you have to do is be in
00:49:24
the vicinity and you're [ __ ] you know. >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, I remember that I found that
00:49:28
out cuz I was watching one and they go, "Uh, speaking of anal warts, Andy Dick's
00:49:33
here tonight." And then they put in the crowd and they put a spotlight. He goes,
00:49:36
"Wait, me? I'm [laughter] I came to watch what? I'm not even on the [ __ ] deas."
00:49:42
Like, I didn't know it's fair game. They're like, "No, we know where you're
00:49:46
sitting. We got a camera ready for [laughter] you. And so >> you got 20 guys writing jokes about
00:49:51
everyone in this [ __ ] room. >> I got lucky because I was uh I was the host, so I was going to get it. But who
00:49:59
came in at the last minute? We had a Fallout and Coulter. >> And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, "You
00:50:06
know, you had you had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready
00:50:12
for." And at the last second, everyone shifted those to Anne Coulter. And I was
00:50:16
like, "Oh, thank God. I only got some. They all sting. I hated them all. Uh,
00:50:21
I'm not good at getting roasted." I'm like, "It's like a thousand stabs, you
00:50:25
know, death cuts." >> But Jesus and Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer.
00:50:32
[laughter] >> Where's our trender? There's our trender. Thank you.
00:50:37
>> She came up with her book and she was she was teflon. She walked up with her
00:50:41
book and just started plugging it. She didn't, in fairness, I don't think she
00:50:45
knew what she was getting into. She thought it was like some sort of promotion. She brought her book up to
00:50:50
the day and everyone's basically saying, "Hey, [ __ ] you." It was pretty pretty
00:50:54
rough. So, uh, >> Ion's a diplomatic word for her. Yeah. >> Yeah. But Juel was there getting funny
00:51:02
jokes by Anyway, overall it was a pretty fun roast. Um, and we can talk about >> I don't I can take a shot. I I don't
00:51:08
mind getting hit, you know. I but I don't think I'm in the position celebritywise to ever get roasted as an
00:51:16
evening. But I don't mind being >> there's a couple minutes roasting.
00:51:21
>> No, I have a glass jaw. I can't. I was out there going and then I wrote it
00:51:26
down. I hate you now. I hate you now. I hate you. [music] >> I don't read comments. Do you read David
00:51:35
reads comments? Do you read comments about your podcast much? Are you good with that or you're kind of
00:51:40
>> I don't like I I seem to be pretty pretty disengaged from Twitter, you
00:51:45
know. I don't I don't do the other ones that much. I'll look at Instagrams and
00:51:48
occasionally I'll look at uh you know messages or on posts on Instagram, but I
00:51:54
I don't, you know, and I do get emails sometimes, but I I I got out of that because they all, you know, a good a
00:52:00
troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts. So, you
00:52:04
know, >> Yeah. And you know when you read them the the part of your brain that lives in
00:52:08
this real the real world we live in goes like well that's just part of it but the
00:52:12
the the really you sort of like Jesus Christ. Is that [ __ ] true? And and then you got to process that. I I don't
00:52:20
have I can't detach from it. They land but not for that long. >> Yeah. Some you know I think I look to
00:52:27
see if there's enough feedback positive or negative. Sometimes you can try to
00:52:33
have constructive criticism >> if they say you're always doing this or
00:52:37
you always do this or >> I wish you would change it and then you go enough people said that something's
00:52:42
up you know I have but if it's just random I get a lot of snipers just randomly almost almost 100% of the time
00:52:49
if I answer them or I DM them and >> no don't do that >> say we got a problem they always go oh
00:52:53
my god I'm your biggest fan or they're nicer >> that's right that's right some might
00:52:57
just come kill me so it's really a dangerous game to be honest >> do you listen to your podcast?
00:53:02
>> No. >> Have you ever Yeah, cuz Conan told [clears throat] me a while back, never
00:53:05
has heard an episode. So, I took that advice because I would get too much in my head in the times I hear it. I
00:53:12
>> I don't listen to it. >> I can't My producer, >> he gives you I can watch my own special.
00:53:17
No, but my producer like we're since we're still audio and that's our game.
00:53:21
He's very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having
00:53:27
memory of the conversation like you know that that that's fleeting you know you
00:53:33
can only remember certain things from conversation. So so if I ever have a question about something I discuss with
00:53:38
somebody my producer has become like like my active memory because he spends a few hours with it and he remembers
00:53:46
everything >> and he's like well you talked to so and so about that. I have no recollection.
00:53:51
And so I I really need him just to be, you know, my my functioning memory of these things.
00:53:58
>> Yeah. Um I'm I was just curious earlier today like when we talked to guests and
00:54:04
stuff like for you are as consuming art or like movies or are you into that? I mean movies or music or
00:54:12
>> totally >> is um Pat Oswald we started talking about movies and he just
00:54:17
>> boy that's a that's a long conversation. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Okay. [clears throat] We don't
00:54:21
have to go I don't know what year you're you know but I remember yeah it was the
00:54:25
killers from 1958. >> Oh yeah. Here we go. >> Anyway, um 2001 of space I'm try to
00:54:31
guess your favorite movie. Okay. That would be tough. or your top or a movie that you you see more than once or
00:54:39
>> Yes, of course. >> Here's here's a question. If you could
00:54:43
only watch one movie tonight, would it be 2001 or Planet of the Apes original? >> Those are my only two choices. You What
00:54:49
did you let Pat Oswalt get in your head? >> I know that's left over. I didn't talk
00:54:54
to the producer. I already asked that question. Okay, give us two movies. Three Days of the Condor or Alien?
00:55:01
>> Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, you I you kind of kind of have to go with Alien on those
00:55:06
two. I mean, Three Days of the Condor is great, but like I I would imagine you'd
00:55:11
probably get a little more if you if you really kind of a savored Alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably
00:55:18
be still pretty jarring. Whereas Three Days of the Condor, you're kind of like,
00:55:22
"All right, I know." >> Well, that's is that Robin Redford and
00:55:25
who go Dunaway? Maybe. Was it Fay Dunway? >> Fay Dunaway. >> Yeah. Condor. Where are you? Condor
00:55:32
>> in the pocket. I didn't know what that movie is about and I watched it honestly
00:55:34
a year ago. I I always heard about it. >> Oh, >> it's a weird name. I'm like, why would I
00:55:38
go to this movie? Weird. >> Fun, cool movie. Alien changed movies. Alien movies.
00:55:44
>> That was great. I watch I've been watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the
00:55:46
theater to watch movies. Like I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana. And I'll go see
00:55:52
[ __ ] and I watch the old movies. Like I just watch the conversation again because I didn't really get it the first
00:55:59
time. I should watch that again. Jean Hackman 1975. >> Yeah. Well, look at you with the [ __ ]
00:56:05
Google. I uh >> No, no, [laughter] that's all here. >> Okay. Uh No, but like I remember seeing
00:56:11
it years ago and I was like this is slow because I didn't lock in. But like Jean
00:56:15
Hackman doing almost anything is kind of amazing. It's unbelievable. >> I talk about him all the time that he's
00:56:23
a freak. >> He was never >> chewing gum. So great. >> Who's your everything?
00:56:29
>> I did watch the Tom Cruz movie um where he's the >> the firm. The movie's great and he's
00:56:37
[ __ ] crazy. Yeah. If you haven't seen the movie The Firm, it's like a surefire
00:56:42
great movie. Go ahead. >> It's like it's it's like a Sydney Pollock movie. I mean, people don't
00:56:46
realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made. So that's a full-on
00:56:50
Just cuz it's a Gris book doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollock
00:56:55
did that movie and the cast is crazy. >> What? >> Crazy. Doesn't mean it's gonna be hacky.
00:57:01
>> Yeah, true. Well, what was the other one? I mean, Copa directed The Rain
00:57:06
Maker, and that's another one that's [ __ ] >> another John Gryom book.
00:57:10
>> Yeah, but that's like it's Matt Damon, Danny Devito, Mickey Ror.
00:57:14
>> I thought that was MC. That's not MCA. >> No, that's another one.
00:57:18
>> That was It was earlier. But the firm is the firm is great. Terry >> Terry Ke.
00:57:24
>> Yeah, >> it's great. And Wilfrly Wilford Brimley is a heavy brim.
00:57:29
>> So good. >> He's a heavy man. How old book great names are so good in
00:57:36
>> Gary Buucy. Good. >> Gary Buucy is and what's her name? The genius actress. Uh
00:57:42
>> Holly Hunter. >> It's not Jean. Oh, Holly Hunter. >> Jean Triplehorn. Yeah.
00:57:46
>> Triple Horn. She's the love interest. >> Yeah. and Tom Cruz being Tom Cruz.
00:57:50
>> [ __ ] [ __ ] Ed Harris is in it too. It's an insane cast. And Hackman
00:57:56
>> and then Hackman leading the charge. >> Him trying to seduce his wife down in
00:58:02
the Caribbean and then go >> and he knows she's conning him. I mean that it's he's effortless. It's just so
00:58:08
fascinating to watch Dean Aman. >> No kidding, dude. But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch like
00:58:14
lately I've been like I just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know, and then I'll
00:58:20
be up till two in the morning watching the whole [ __ ] movie. >> I watched I watched the other guys the
00:58:26
other night just cuz I wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two.
00:58:29
>> Will Ferrell had a car chase beginning. >> It's It's so funny. Yeah, that thing
00:58:33
with the rocky and uh and what's his name? >> Mark Wahberg. >> No, The Rock and what's it? Uh
00:58:40
>> Sam Jackson. Sam Sam Jackson jumping off the roof. That >> is hilarious. And the two of them
00:58:46
together when Wahberg focuses, man, he's good at comedy. >> I mean, he can do it, dude.
00:58:53
>> He is. >> He's good in a lot. He does a lot of stuff. >> Yeah.
00:58:56
>> How's this movie with you and Theo Von? What's that what's that about?
00:58:59
>> Uh Bus Boys is uh it's a beating. We're doing it right now. It's tough. It's
00:59:04
hard to do because it's small budget indie, but it's super fun because >> Is it small budget indie?
00:59:10
>> Yeah. Well, it's just us. We We put it together. We put money in and we just
00:59:14
said we just want to go try it and >> Yeah. >> and then decide what to do with it.
00:59:17
That's scary. >> Like, >> yeah. Yeah. >> Don't go watch it. Don't go around.
00:59:22
>> It seems like he's got enough juice. I mean, someone will see it, but I thought
00:59:25
Bert had enough juice, too, to put his little movie over the top, but I don't
00:59:29
think it got there. But, I mean, you know, people watch it. People like Theo. They like
00:59:33
>> what what comedies are just live streaming now? Are we >> We don't know. We might do it straight
00:59:38
to video. I mean straight to consumer. >> Straight to video. Yeah. >> Straight to video. [laughter] The '9s
00:59:44
are calling. >> We're going so old. That reminds me of like one one time I was like this is in
00:59:50
the last five years. I was at the comedy store, right? And out of the darkness like Steve Kravitz just emerges.
00:59:58
>> He's Steve Kravitz from Steve. Yeah. Yeah. I he still here, dude. I saw him
01:00:02
the other night and he's okay, you know. He's okay. >> Oh, good. I don't think he was funny,
01:00:06
you know? >> Yeah, he was funny. But like I just remember he was like he was like, you
01:00:10
know, he's he's 70s something now, but it was just a few years ago and he's
01:00:14
like I don't know how the business works anymore. Like, hey, where do I send my
01:00:17
tape? And I'm like, maybe to 1985. Maybe you send the tape. >> Maybe to the Denunzio brothers at the
01:00:24
Funny Bone. [laughter] >> Isn't that somebody? Yeah, >> they used to watch your I used to send
01:00:31
my tape, the funny bone, my half inch VHS, and they're like, they must have a
01:00:35
pile of tapes. I'm like, it's been a whole day. Are they going to watch it or
01:00:38
not? They They don't give a [ __ ] >> Oh my god. I remember there was a
01:00:41
booking agency in Boston called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Catz used to run it out of the basement apartment in a
01:00:46
building in Alustin. and one of the women who would get tape submissions and she she was dating somebody like we knew
01:00:55
like we got hold of a couple of the tapes and there's this one tape of a guy
01:00:59
that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom and he's doing jokes and he's
01:01:03
got a friend dropping a a photograph needle onto a laughter of laughter track on a record.
01:01:10
>> Wow. >> So you he would do a joke and you'd literally hear the needle drop.
01:01:14
>> Oh funny >> and then pull back up again. [laughter] That's a good idea. That's like an
01:01:19
>> analog lowfi world. Kind of something charming about that. >> Well, Mark, before you let you go, I got
01:01:24
to ask you about one movie and then we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap-ups. But uh you've been very nice to talk. I
01:01:29
see Mark at the comedy store now and then. We always have a little chat, a couple laughs and uh then we get our $48
01:01:36
and we get the [ __ ] out of there. >> And um I Oh, someone said today that to
01:01:40
Lesie, you were very very good and they loved you in it and they heard I was talking to you. So,
01:01:44
>> oh, well, that's nice to hear. I definitely I did the work on that one.
01:01:48
Like, because like I don't know like I >> I always wanted to act, but I know I'm
01:01:53
okay at it and I I got better, >> but I still never I I'm still like it's
01:01:58
it's it's not it's not necessarily an exciting job. I mean, there's a lot of
01:02:04
waiting around, which makes me crazy >> for sure. >> But like I was trying with that movie. I
01:02:08
didn't want to do it and the director kept bothering me because I was still kind of [ __ ] up. It was during COVID,
01:02:13
you know, Lynn had passed away and, you know, they were the guy kept bothering me, you know, and it's I'm it's the role
01:02:19
is like this kind of, you know, slightly beaten up Texan guy. >> And I'm thinking like you get there's
01:02:26
like nine nine or 20 [ __ ] cowboy character actors who could get to do this. What? Why me?
01:02:33
>> And you know, finally he he gets through. He gets me on the phone. He's
01:02:37
like, "Well, I really liked the last season of Marin." I'm like, "Oh, so you
01:02:41
do like me?" All right, I'll try. And I told him like, I don't know about the
01:02:44
accent. He said, don't worry about the accent. And then I realized like, dude,
01:02:48
if you're going to do this, you know, take a risk. You no one's going to see
01:02:52
this movie. It's like, it shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert
01:02:58
here. >> So, I worked with a dialect coach, and this is funny. You'll probably get it,
01:03:03
Dana. Yeah, you will, too. I guess because it's just a reference that no one [ __ ] gets. But I'm talking to the
01:03:09
dialect coach >> and I'm like, "How do I do a Texan accent?" And she's like, "Well, there
01:03:12
really is no Texan accent specifically, but I think we'll do love." And I'm
01:03:17
like, "Okay, love." So, she sends me, you know, the the phonetics. And then
01:03:22
she sends me some tapes of what I think are the LIC accent. And it's just like
01:03:27
like a few like behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like,
01:03:33
this is the only the only example of loving Mac Davis. >> Whenever I want you.
01:03:39
>> Yeah. Yeah. I love Mac Davis for sure. >> Yeah, he's a good he was a funny actor,
01:03:43
too. But but yeah, well, I appreciate someone saying that because I definitely put the work in and I was willing to
01:03:48
fail uh with the accent, but I think I did all right. And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I
01:03:53
interviewed James Khan, I was watching movies of early movies of his and all these guys try accents and very few of
01:04:01
them are any good at it. So I'm like, well, [ __ ] it. If he's going to take the
01:04:04
hit, I can take the hit, you know? >> Yeah. >> The Australians are great at accents for
01:04:08
some reason. And a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know. >> You know, secondhand compliments are the
01:04:14
best. Like when David hears someone say to him, "You were great in the movie."
01:04:18
Right? it. That's the best way to hear it because you know they're not saying
01:04:21
>> it's legit. She was like, "Oh my god." >> Oh, by the way, you see my earn special.
01:04:26
It was fantastic. >> Yeah, it's nice to hear. >> My wife said somebody. [laughter]
01:04:31
>> No, that's a fictitious scenario. >> Well, you you know, you do specials. You
01:04:33
do a podcast and you're a damn good actor. You've got a series. I'm just
01:04:37
saying. I mean, I don't know any other You're like a >> triple and an author.
01:04:42
>> Yeah. You know, >> I do what I can. I do what I can at the level I do it at. And uh it's uh you
01:04:48
know it's I'm glad I've had all the opportunity and I and I keep trying to
01:04:52
get better. What can you do? >> It's just how much joy can you get out
01:04:55
of your incredible life? That's really >> Oh yeah. Well, the joy thing that's a
01:04:59
whole other less miserable less miserable podcast. And in terms of like talking about SNL,
01:05:07
I didn't get it. >> Oh, >> okay. Thank you for the [laughter] people that waited till the end.
01:05:15
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