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three two one you got it here's David Spade with comments on comments thanks Dana you know we get a lot of comments we do and
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uh sometimes I look on my Instagram according to my screen time 23 hours a day we gotta pump them numbers up that's not enough let's go for 24. you are an Instagram [ __ ] so I go on there and uh
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we talk about this show so we put like little clips and stuff like this I've heard about it I can't look at it Dana
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doesn't look at it a lot and I I look at it on mine and some most of the comments
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are very nice sometimes they just say we look the same fine we do look similar but do you does it need to be every
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single comment look at the [ __ ] other comments commenters look and say you guys want to cover that yeah yeah you read down 500 they look the same go what am I gonna do what am I gonna say they
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look the same yeah they go this is a safe one because 300 people have said it by the way don't ding me don't I when I
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look I could see a hundred isn't he the greatest isn't he just something else let me go on boy is he good looking for his age good Lord and then you sucked never were funny and then I'm ding for
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the whole day yeah how do you handle that because you look every day you're a look-see type Instagram guy when I have
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time is the funniest it is true that they jump out when it's negative but uh what's that what's the coldly one for you uh what was a good one I get a little
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never you know a bad one cold chili never funny never found him funny uh uh you should have died instead of Farley
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it's the most common burn I apologize for posting that Dana I know you were driving I was just I had a couple of
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pumps I had a couple pups I went down to the Jiminy Cricket no that's not I had a hickory slim at the wandering eye the Slippery Noodle yes and uh with on ice up with a Twist and I
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did that mean mean tweet tonight Martin's short but Martin's shorts never a negative thing about Martin sure I've
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asked him specifically about his social media presence and I said what about when people ding you he goes what do you
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mean I just get all compliments oh Marty I must say I must say I'm very scared we
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do talk to him about his brilliant Ed Grimley character which is very interesting and it goes deeper than some
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of the other podcasts would go yes because I see people cheating on us I see people going on other podcasts and
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then I listen not cool but ours is a little better hey it's Showbiz you know that's Showbiz but ever not competitive
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no but uh he you know Katie my sister-in-law Ed Grimley was her favorite character she did an impression all the time uh he's got so many other
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ones he has well we just saw in Jiminy Glick uh Jimmy Glick which uh is is genius really because he
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improvises it he talks all about that I mean David you were in a movie where you're in a boat I don't know I can't do it yes Jiminy that could have been six of them but yes why
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why do people hate you I know hey Jimmy click is the ultimate passive aggressive character him and the church lady never
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did a movie I'm just saying for Ted surrandos is one of my very close friends we work cheap
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meets the church lady writes itself I apologize that my my collar's popping today oh I also have this and I um I
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didn't know you could grow that big a beard yeah wait till October when it's fully in check oh I'll fill it in over I
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will say this song I can't wait to see a little Burly uh so anyway here's Martin Short you guys we don't want to give too
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much away yeah yeah if I were you I would press play and listen to this that's all I need to say oh they already
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did yeah I would if I were you I would not press stop and don't give me that 30 second forward thing because we know and
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we keep track [Music] foreign [Music] [Laughter] we're going fast it's gonna be so easy and so fun thank you sorry that was Mark
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gervous I know everything's all everything's harder than they say it's gonna be right no
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matter what it is I love the craziness of YouTube see we're we're wacky now Marty I have so many questions to
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ask you but we are out of time um I have now that that brings me to one of my observations that Marty's Persona on talk shows
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you're constantly making fun of the idea of a performer being on a talk show live
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in real time as you're doing it the artifice the the ego the neediness and you're the master of setting up Conan you know you're terrific you were better last week but
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you know the undercutting and I watch you kill him with that I go where I mean where did that I mean you're the master of that thing what is that called is that like a Bob Hope move no no no I
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think it was you know the first time I did talk shows was Dave Letterman yeah I started doing Letterman in 82 and he
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started doing it and um I just knew that he was self-deprecating and liked to be put
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down and hated the opposite so that probably influenced right I mean when I went on Johnny
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Carson's the first time I was afraid to do Johnny Carson for a long time uh I pretended I thought letter when I was hip and Letterman was hit but that wasn't true and when I first went to
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Carson I don't do any of that so it's really just more with my peers right and and yeah I'd say Letterman
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would love that I mean I when I first went on Carson and I'll ask you this question too like the most there were
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two nerve-wracking moments and I think I the SNL the light goes on that one when
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I'm actually honest you know and Carson introducing hearing my name said by him and then going out we had analog television then and seen him close up
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with that pancake you know the makeup and everything and it's giant head and his voice how did you feel from I mean I
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mean surreal yeah um I also had to follow three segments of Betty Davis so that made it even strange oh that was Infamous yeah right because
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oh and um but I wasn't when I wasn't prepared for I remember one time I someone said to me oh no one of the producers and I was
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maybe gonna do it and we were and he said you know like Johnny might look distracted if he doesn't deglazes over
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or at or anything like that don't take it personally he just has done the show a long time and I thought
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I'm just going to do Letterman you know then when I finally did it he was so great he was so in the moment doing that
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he got on a little roll tonight that gentleman got on a roll and this is the genius from impersonation of your life
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but yeah it really was it was he was as great as I had dreamed I mean I used to when I was like 14. I remember one time watching Johnny Carson you've been on for two years now and he said that
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something to the effect of you know I I went to LAX to pick up a friend and I used to think gee what would it be like
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to be Johnny's friend you know I mean I I just loved it totally yeah totally and
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and middle class kids well maybe even kids of celebrities the transition between being a civilian
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and then you're in Show Business and actually on television like for me in particular watching SNL and SCTV and
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seeing you looking like a cousin from Ireland or something that guy we're from the same tribe he's doing what I want to do better than I can do it and I remember you you were doing Robin
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Williams and you were going all over the studio and you climbed up a ladder or something it really hit me it was like 78 and I go I want to do what that guy's doing it was he knows Robin Williams for
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Tang oh thank you you know it was all right you didn't get to the point of the commercial because he kept improvising
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oh yeah yeah I knew Robin I didn't want to offend him and I remember saying to Joe Flaherty you you were the one that will make this
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mean or not because he was the moderator right and he kept going right oh Robin and I said
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no no you gotta tone that down Joe yes didn't come off mean I didn't think about that now Martin when when you did uh SC TV and you how long first of all how long
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was the gap before SNL but did you really want to be on SNL you kind of were on a big SNL type show well no no I
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well the show I wouldn't I mean SCTV was canceled so had it not been canceled I would have stayed with it okay so I did um a year and a half of NBC SCTV than we
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did a year on Cinemax and then we were canceled and then so I finished Cinemax in April of 84 and was the media has to do SNL which I started
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in August of 84. Cinemax I was usually tied up watching porn uh I didn't make it all the way over to SCTV yeah that's an odd place
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well see you see go ahead Dana oh well I don't know I have so many questions could you do Ed grimly today I
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mean is he mentally where is it where is he on the Spectrum on and you know like he's he's it's just an eccentric he's just wonder about okay
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right I think he's okay I mean he was just fascinated by life I remember like in
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1979 1979 uh I was doing a TV series called the associates my first show in L.A and my brother Michael and his wife Liz flew
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down um and she said something to the effect of oh I was so excited to fly down and and I I changed my outfit four times and I
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thought you changed over four times to go on a plane I would kill that innocent an exuberance towards yes yeah so Ed Brimley I I always remembered that when
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I was writing a grimly pieces so like if the phone rang you'd say oh gee the phone's ringing and as he went over the
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phone he paused it see I love the phone there's always such a sense of mystery I must say so even the phone he had never
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lost the excitement of a phone and that was yeah now does that make him a little challenge sure sure absolutely you know
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uh my my sister-in-law Kate Spade was um back then uh you know I wasn't on SNL yet but she you were her that Ed Grimley was her favorite all-time of any character of anywhere and in Halloween
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she did her hair up and loved it it's so funny and I think because she she loved
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the upbeatness and that's what I didn't really realize until he just said at it that's like the funnest thing to watch
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is someone's so happy about something and so Joy's like because you never see it anymore absolutely I don't like it oh my
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favorite egg remedy that I run SNL was the premise that it was Thanksgiving and he was just so excited about
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Thanksgiving of course he's going around and he would open the oven oh look at the cookies yeah I wish I had oven mitts
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and he burned his hand but then but in the middle of the sketch he just said yeah I wonder what the neighbors are up
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to and then you panned over and he had a huge telescope where he had spy and all
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his neighbors which is a little you know odd and then he saw Ed Asner killing his wife so then became rear window
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uh it was uh when you got on there for that year it was kind of like for where I was sitting just a fledgling stand-up
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and did some bad television it was sort of an All-Star team I mean Christopher Guest has become just mysterious I mean
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he's not I and he was on there with you obviously who else you guys came together
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Harry Shearer yes Billy Crystal and I were given a one-year contract kind of unheard of uh we'll see how it goes no it wasn't Lauren it was Dick Ebersole
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oh but anyway and that was so that was a big part and Rich Hall oh wow had you done sketch comedy with any of those guys no no no no no I had never met them I had met Billy
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um in 1980 my wife Nancy was on soap so I knew Billy and I was doing another series next door called I'm a big girl now with Danny Thomas so we were both
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bringing a lot of money that year and we were both on sitcoms both would end that year and um so I met Billy briefly there
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but I'd never met Chris I knew Harry through Paul Shaffer when you did synchronized swimming who who shot that
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do you remember was that senior alley or was that Schiller no I can't I don't know no it was neither of those two how
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was your like going on that show at that point SNL like what was your confidence at for me I find that my confidence kind
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of comes and goes there's times when I I really have this and other times did I mean you've kind of talked about
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that a little bit uh well have you seemed so I know I went I still have a pro and con list you know um you can do it or not to do it and one
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of the reasons is we had a new baby and I've been in uh Toronto now we had a disrupted a place in La and so I just
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kind of wanted to be here so that was on the uh con list of doing it and one of the things in the comments was am I gonna blow it like am I going to blow any credibility I have now accumulated
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from SCTV by just not being any good or not being able to crank out stuff every week all those things that you worry about you think you might be out of of ideas or anything at that point then you
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got to start over kind of was it was it the combination of all of us working together you know the cast of SCTV
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um it was just yeah you worried that um this was going to be a great mistake and in fact the first dress did not go well
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and I knew that there were a lot of eyes in that first episode because of the four of us and my wife Nancy came around
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11 10. and I said to her this is a disaster they should show another uh like a rerun last year because we're
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not ready and she was devastated and then the show happened and it was a Triumph and what I didn't realize is what you could do between dress and air you move that around the synchronized
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swimming was was already filmed it was supposed to be in show two they moved that to show one
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um and um it was suddenly and I remember Nancy was saying you are such an [ __ ] yeah for putting me I said I swear to you I just learned something many nights at I would think
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that it's not going to go on tonight yeah it literally this will be the night it's it's not happening we're going to
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show a rerun I'm sorry it's it's 10 55 Lauren is giving you know in very detailed notes and they're going okay they'll go in there they'll go in there so it's always like
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he says it's a miracle it goes on but I remember that year as being such a fan of you had some incredible sketches of
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four of you together yeah I remember Harry and I the first two sketches we did wrote together were um
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lifestyles of the relatives of the Rich and Famous and synchronized swimming and we were we
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shot synchronized swimming somewhere in New Jersey and we're going back on the bus you know the two of us and I said no
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we hadn't aired we hadn't been on the air yet I said Harry how do you think we're doing so far and he said well all
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I know is that in this time these five weeks in La I would have had a meeting or two
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about three ideas that weren't developed and nothing would happen for them so at
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least we're creating product so that was where we were at the bottom line yeah yeah it's sort of the good the bad like
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you do a movie and you gotta wait a year and then and it's like to me it's never soon enough anything we do shooting a TV
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show it doesn't come on for months and then SNL is almost too quick you just hung over from the the show in the after
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party and then they're like Tom Hanks this week and you're like [ __ ] hey we just finished last week and you go what
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are your new ideas I got that blank yellow pad because no you know no computers back then and so you're just
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like staring at the wall going [ __ ] and a lot of our our hosts were like Leading
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Men type were very similar so it's hard to think of new ideas unless you have something new looking or someone's got a
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real quirky thing about them of course if you're a shitty writer like me so I just blank out and then I wait and hope
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to do a weekend update when I came on they told us and I don't even know if Diana Minot was one of
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Lauren's lieutenants well it's only got an eight show pickup for the first time in the show's history that's what we
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were told that Bernie begged uh tartikoff to give Lauren one more chance because for dignity's sake we had an ho pickup quote if you don't hit the ground
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running we're out of here by Christmas so that's amazing everything I ever did got
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canceled or was never made every pilot the Mickey Rooney show Blue Thunder I did a movie I should have talked to you but the
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stories are amazing that'll be a whole separate podcast but um so that was Tara I thought for sure I'm gonna be turning out the light so I understand when we did the show
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uh 84.85 you know um Eddie Murphy had left the season before and then I think there's a hole halfway through and then Joe Piscopo was Manning the ship and
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then he left and um they like they didn't have a wig department they just rented wigs and I
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think the reason you know ever so always called The George Steinbrenner year where he paid us more money than had
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been paid before and and a one-year contract because he didn't think the show would survive that year so I think wow Lauren rebuilt it again into
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when it is today [Music] yo yeah what'd you make at the beginning Dan I made 4 500. I was so I'd never done
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sketch comedy so in sketches during the First dress rehearsal when I got a laugh I had to stop myself from facing the
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audience like a stand-up yeah you know and I I was in the cold opening and didn't know I was in the cold opening
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did you hit your head or something how did you know I just everything was moving so fast it was the very first
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show and I at the church Lane all these things happened to me all of a sudden I was in four things and
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the church lay got moved up and then Brad gray came in my dressing room and just said I don't know why it is but it
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shows show I don't know why and he left and I was so nervous that I was just in those little dressing rooms in the mirror and I just started swearing at myself in the mirror [ __ ]
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you try to not be just terrified literally terrified yeah was that your first first
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show first first first first show yeah church lady and this and this is uh this is 1986 86. I was playing a pizza parlor literally in July doing stand-up and
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then I was at Lauren Michael's house for three weeks and then I was on the show it was all completely surreal and Phil
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came in with me and Jan Hooks and we were in the cold opening so I was with two really great great players great and
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they were great on Church chat so they were well it was so so awesome to be in sketches everyone you know Raves about and and is revered but as
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good as anybody but not one-eighth of what she should yeah because she was the funny I mean she played uh we did a movie together yeah and but we also did this very cool
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special like in 96. um and called the show formerly known as the Martin Short show yes yes she was she played Brett Butler she played she was
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on fire genius yeah oh yeah and she's their sketches where she was dramatic uh you know all of a sudden in a sketch and very super real yeah and she was such a
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vulnerable spirit and so [ __ ] funny she was so funny and Jimmy click and Lana you know it's improvised and and we were doing this scene and and she's
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talked uh Elizabeth Birkin said something about you her husband kept blow-ups uh sex dolls
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um no he need no her husband needed it that was it about five times a day uh and and and Jan said oh no you gotta get a blow up thing you know I mean I've had four kids
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[ __ ] me he's like [ __ ] a purse and you just saw Elizabeth shake and bring the glass up so she wouldn't laugh in it and I of course my and my next time Dixie remember we discussed the
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word Mystique yeah she was something else she was something she did attitude consumer attitude um anyway uh Sweeney Sweeney sisters but
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um when I started oh yeah when you came over from SCTV did they have a thing because when I was there you wrote your
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characters down and you you could bring them to the show but they owned everything you wrote from then on that you you were allowed to bring Ed Graham did you bring other stuff over
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from SCT no I I you know I I if there was a rule like that no one mentioned it to me because I think I would have said
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shut up I'm doing what I created this I'm doing whatever I want and I know I knew that Andrew Alexander wasn't going
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to sue me from SCTV yeah I'm assuming so I just did it and then when I left SNL um you know like I created character Nathan thurm or people like that I did another specialist no one I've never
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been I've met no one's ever mentioned you know I I don't I think it'd be weird if Lauren would call people out on that
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I think it just they changed they they changed the rule later but it wasn't when I first got there yeah you could
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bring in your characters you would own them and then I don't know why but I ended up selling Church lay t-shirts and
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then Lovett said to Lauren you know Dana's making a lot of money which I wasn't and I think after that
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maybe we should get a contract you know so I think it changed which you know I I didn't really care I haven't but I
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technically so if you were doing it so if you were doing um a sitcom appearance guest appearance on
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a hit sitcom and arrived as a church lady you need permission I would not for church lady but if I
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have arrived as Hans or Garth I would and what if you and but but you know if you did it No One's Gonna See You I don't think so yeah I I don't know if it's a risk I don't I
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don't worry about that stuff it's just kind of funny do your nervance again I wouldn't risk it there's another drop
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there you're slightly onto something and I mean slightly I think the pitch is wrong but the rasp is there it's going very it's yeah it's
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it's just one tone there's a lot more Nuance to it but it it's because it's nice so long it's a nice little run nice little Rhyme now he's he he's
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listening to this oh yeah there's German Shepherds all around him tonight I thought it was really good
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we love we just said who's your listen you have a you do your Lauren you do do you have a Steve Martin impression to Steve um Steve this is how this is I'll do
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David doing Steve well excuse me can you do Selena no I can't do a lot of voices actually no I don't have Bill Hader more than any human being I know yeah
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is if he tells a story of both people he can do every voice in that story it's yeah absolutely insane it's insane yeah you know I I I think being assigned them
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was good when you're on SNL can you do this guy I remember an SCTV um someone had written a piece about because gorvadol and Norman Miller had gotten into a fight at a party and so in
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our version Eugene Levis Norman mailer threw red wine on me and then it became a Tide commercial we're both by the
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machine trying to get the stain out and then someone said can you do Gore Vidal and I said sure because I no idea and
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you go home and you look at the tapes and then what I would do is I'd type out a gorbadol interview and then I'd look
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at this gorbital script that the writers are right and I try to well I tried like phrases that Gore would say yeah do that
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and then I would have it that day and then I couldn't do it the next day yeah yeah the day of filming I had John
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Malkovich in a hotel room in New York one night before I had recording I just could do
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John Malkovich perfectly for like an hour and then it woke up and I didn't have it I did them on Prime Time
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Malkovich in the middle it was a sitcom it goes Travolta very easily yes it does yeah why you know don't you tell that
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they're lying no then it goes walking too see it's a very slipstream can we talk about Jiminy Glick like because where did where does that come from I mean like
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like who like when I did church lady the first time on SNL where Steve Martin was
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sitting there yeah and they wouldn't let me say penis so I had to write it like bulbous gorged loaf you know and I'm
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really digging into it I'm new to the show I think you were there Gorge Loaf and throbbing I think Chevy and Steve
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and I were hosting yeah yeah but I heard I'm getting into it just this and Satan and throbbing buttocks and I Steve under
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his breast said to Lauren what kind of mind thinks of this you know I knew what he meant that's a great compliment yeah it is uh so Jiminy
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Glick like what kind of mind thinks that I mean it's so supernaturally funny uh I don't know where where did that
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start how did you do you know uh when I was I was doing a talk show for King World in 99 2000 and I wanted to uh so I
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remember we were shooting at CBS Television City and I went to I went I was like two hours of makeup big bulbous
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nose weird wig and I went to um farmers market and I was just like handing out sushi with my hand and we were and people would say can I have your autograph Mr short I thought
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hmm that's kind of not what I wanted but then I had made this film pure luck in 1990 where I got a bee sting and I swell up with and knowing with Danny Glover
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right yeah Glover no Glover yeah sorry not Glover yeah that's the other Clover yeah and so here's a wonderful actor Danny Glover anyway anyway so everyone
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said I don't recognize you in that so that became Jim therefore the look so I could be anonymous and I had known a guy
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uh growing up on my street this place would go high in the news you know yeah if you stay off my lawn for a year children I'll take you to the movies you know so I don't know just
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it's uh saying such aggressive things improvised and I actually don't know what that is because Ed Grimley was very written and you know a lot of characters I did were very written but Jimmy was
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just always improvised and I would see playbacks you know we did we'd interview for oh interesting 16 minutes and then
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we'd edit down you know the film beats not when they were live um and I would say like I'd say much I
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take big number yeah I think I don't even know what it means so it was a little bit odd that's part
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do you think um that is in the Arts I said more of a Anthony Hopkins I did a movie with him once and it bombed because everything I I'm in Boston we'll get it well this
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will get the the worthy or whatever award but um he said he thought acting to him was like self-hypnosis and he would have a little Polaroid picture of his character and they'd yell speed he
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would just put it on his look to it like that and take a deep breath and then he'd be the character so it
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seems like when you were doing Jiminy click and improvising like that it was it a kind of a form of self-hypnosis
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where you look at it later and go you're in such a Zone I don't know does it sound too impossible no I certainly wasn't doing the Hopkins trick yeah she
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didn't have a picture and um nor did Ali McGraw I mean look everyone has their own approach to great acting but I would say
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um well you know Anthony Hopkins also said that the first thing he does is he reads the script a hundred times or
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something or 200 yeah yeah yeah yeah I read about 500. you read a 500. yeah and then I go I still don't get it but I'll do it
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because I need to do it I mean you have no other offer that wasn't good that was horrible yeah I don't know if I have a good Bernie
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really he's got Brad no nobody [ __ ] knows nothing Hey kid it's just show business you know Martin does Bernie was the last of the great manager
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I mean in terms of a character and his the way he talked and everything wow you're gonna be a star kid you know that
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guy and he was so lovable yeah yeah I when I started SNL those guys got you know that that brillstein gray brostein company was a big churning out SNL so when I signed it was like I
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didn't really think I'd be on SNL but I I love that they had all these people I loved but when I got on I think my first
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one was a writer I didn't want to be a writer at all you know they saw my stand up I didn't do that great and they said
00:31:28
we're gonna use a writer performer I'm like I don't even I don't want to be I'm not even good performer but I'd rather
00:31:34
be that and then they I don't know how to write for people like Dana is like a better version of me so I I get it and
00:31:40
it's only 900 bucks and then they go but you get 1500 if you're on like if you you know stumble in a weekend update and
00:31:47
they go but don't write yourself on okay and uh so then I did that for a while and then I got on as Michael J Fox like
00:31:54
the second show because he was in the news I did something with Dennis Miller on uh an update but I did it
00:32:01
and then they and I go I got on I can't believe it and then they forgot to put me in the opening credits as featuring
00:32:08
and [ __ ] everyone thought it was Mike or Dana and I was [ __ ] never for months I just stayed as a writer and uh it was very hard to be
00:32:19
honest writing for someone like Dana anyone that was not me I could kind of write for me I just couldn't formulate
00:32:25
sketches and I was doing too many scenes and sets and everyone's like what the [ __ ] are you writing I'm like I don't
00:32:30
know when you walk in that place to get a job and they all just shut their door and go I hope you die because if you're
00:32:36
on I might knock it on so who's helping me you know so I asked Conan or Bob Odenkirk or Smiggle like they're they're
00:32:43
Pleasant enough and everyone's being nice but they don't owe me anything and they're stuck in their own you know it's
00:32:49
a tricky place I mean my my only regret about my experience was that I wish I hadn't done a one-year contract because
00:32:56
I think especially having already been known from SCTV it put suddenly you weren't just on a series you were doing a special every
00:33:07
week and you better deliver you know and so by the by the fourth show I mean I've
00:33:13
talked about this but I went into eversells and said I want to quit can I get out of my contract and
00:33:18
um because I just couldn't it was the every week final exam part of it I was thinking you know because SCC SCTV was
00:33:26
so ideal creatively because you wrote for six weeks and then you shot for six weeks and you wrote and you saw and so
00:33:34
if you didn't have an idea for two weeks you could make it up the next four weeks of writing you know some sketches come
00:33:40
in a little undercooked on SNL like they're not even ready you're just like we gotta go we gotta go like let's right exactly do our best it for me it played
00:33:48
to my ADD I think and procrastinating nature to have those hard fast things coming at me and kind of not taking it seriously not having time to ruminate
00:33:58
about stuff and think about it too much that was the upside to it but the downside would be like we didn't get it
00:34:04
together and it bombed yeah but that's the thing if you are you know you're going to be there for many years and this is just your job something bombing is fine but when I was in Second City
00:34:16
stage and an improv set but bomb you didn't go and get depressed you kind of went you know right it was definitely a little bit of it became a Game of
00:34:27
Thrones in a sense yeah when there was a cast behind the cast as well right absolutely there'd be 12 now there's
00:34:33
like 20 20. and and when I came on you know I was immediately just me Jan and Phil and Kevin and we were just all like six of us basically doing the show so yeah when you came David there were
00:34:45
there was like the cast behind the cast and they they became you know All-Stars you know with Sandler and Chris Rock and
00:34:52
so forth to Meadows yourself but yeah you were sitting behind David would just sit behind me yeah and Lauren would say
00:34:58
David's ready if anything happens to you right he doesn't have much game but he's
00:35:04
ready since everything I'd done besides stand up had failed when I got on there at a given point maybe it was in the second or third season I felt like okay I kind
00:35:18
of belong here doing this quick form Impressions quick form characters it's like this this fits me [Music]
00:35:32
you become a star on the show yeah Dana Dana just said you're agreeing you're a star go ahead
00:35:47
verse 60 to even 80 shows I was you know not as confident as I would become I I think that so many things that were out of my control being invited into Wayne's
00:36:01
World that started its journey I got to I was not a political impressionist when
00:36:07
I got an SNL I was assigned George Bush Senior and then Lovitz was Dukakis and so this
00:36:13
this is true that when Dukakis lost on Election night John called me before the real Dukakis conceded to George Bush saying well you're gonna you're gonna be
00:36:23
in the cold opening all the time you're happy now which is the thing we but Dana
00:36:29
we always say you're happy now I think also Dana you might not if you knew what you knew now and you saw your first show
00:36:35
where you killed in four things you'd go that guy's fine he's going to be great on the show but when you're in it you
00:36:40
don't know any better and you're just like [ __ ] I hope I can get fired I would get calls like they don't know if they're going to bring you back so I
00:36:47
would move in the summer and then two months later they go all right they'll let you come back but you better really
00:36:53
step it up I'm like it's just so stressful and then at the end of the year they don't know if they're going to bring you back I don't know if it's clicking so I'd have to move out and
00:37:00
then go all right and I'm like God damn it's very tough I'm just wondering if Marty had stayed with the show and then
00:37:07
he became the a part of our cast would have elevated us I would have been part of your cast in fact um Lauren
00:37:18
I remember meeting with Lauren I have this kind of Rain Man memory for dates and things but it was uh July of 85 and
00:37:25
I went to Lauren's apartment and to discuss this um Western but he was you know uh Three Amigos that he and Stephen Randy Newman had written
00:37:36
but he also was still hadn't decided and was contemplating whether he should uh return uh to SNL and he would say I remember him saying
00:37:48
you know now if we did it together if we return returned I said no no I'm not what are you talking about I'm not trying to get it I thought we were here
00:37:56
to talk about how could I do a movie a western and be an SNL and learn some uh it's called scheduling yeah did Lauren write write on Three Amigos by the way yeah he the credit is
00:38:09
uh wow Steve Lauren and Randy Newman and then you guys went to the zig field and watched it the whole cast we all went to
00:38:16
the zig Fields what a Ford was released in theaters what a monster movie well it was an opening night in New York I
00:38:23
remember maybe that's where we were or it was out of screening but that would have been interesting to have had you on
00:38:29
the couch and obviously you guys [ __ ] around on Three Amigos right is made up [ __ ] yes yeah well
00:38:36
I guess we did yes there were certain things totally improvised there's a scene where I'm sitting talking to
00:38:41
little children about um when I was a child star in my obsession not with Lillian Gish but her
00:38:47
sister Dorothy [ __ ] and they can't speak English and I'm saying and when Dorothy Gish said to me
00:38:55
you've got it it meant something you know all that that's you're improvising there it's it's one of those movies
00:39:01
that's that's gotten bigger and brighter as it as time's gone absolutely you know we were we were second a golden child
00:39:07
The Golden Child oh my God yeah yeah no one's talking about that right now even though it's a good movie but Three Amigos hung in there uh also what about big picture Dana real quick big picture
00:39:18
was what year I didn't really get I got the Hollywood references I and I was like [ __ ] you were saying stuff like
00:39:24
listen I've read most these scripts almost all the way through and what I think and I'm like
00:39:30
did he just say most I I was like how [ __ ] good is this guy it's so funny because I was sort of newer but I'm like ah God damn this is so [ __ ] funny
00:39:41
we shot that in 88 it was released in 89. and um I worked two days in that film are you serious and you stole that [ __ ] oh my god well and I remember um we dyed my hair
00:39:54
uh we sprayed it we curled it and it made it like Lucy but then um we had lifts so it was like that oh wow and I remembered but there wasn't a wig
00:40:07
because you're just creating it that morning so it wasn't a wig so um the next day I had big welts here
00:40:14
inside what do you do you were doing that they were yes they're pushing it up yeah like big plastic things anyway there were welds and I remember Chris said afterwards like a month later what
00:40:27
we should have done is that the character should have had big bags the first scene and this I haven't seen no
00:40:33
bags and never explained a quick tuck that was you must you must love that that was such a great one you must that was a fabulous now what what's it like because I guess we I don't know how many
00:40:46
hours we get to go but only murders in the building like what I mean what does that feel like for you now I mean it's
00:40:52
such a cool giant hit and here you are again in a in a big big television show with
00:41:00
your best friend that's cool it's actually idea I mean I was talking to Steve today and I said Steve can you
00:41:05
imagine if like when we were shooting last January I'd said hey you know what I bet this is going to be the number one
00:41:11
Hulu ever thing and he would have said yeah not in a million years so I think everyone's surprised I remember seeing a Johnny Carson like from the 70s and Tony
00:41:22
Randall was on three of um The Odd Couple and Johnny said how long will you stay with the show and
00:41:33
Tony just stared at Johnny and said that's the dumbest question I have ever been asked in my life I'll stay with it
00:41:40
as long it is a hit John hits are few and far between I will never leave a hit and it's true these are like flukes you got to know that in a career where if
00:41:52
like if you start out on friends or you're a child star let's say your first job is Friends one of those uh people uh
00:41:59
right and it's so big and you just don't know it's not going to go away which I'm
00:42:04
not saying it did for them but you know any show like that you you start off on top of the world like a child star
00:42:09
and like child stars are worse it is plummeting I mean it's a free fall after that like you don't even you're like
00:42:15
wait where is everybody I just thought it would be so easy I've been caught up in that you do a sitcom and you go I don't want to do another one for a year
00:42:20
and a year later they're like who the [ __ ] this guy you're like I'm the guy last year remember you wanted me to do anything yeah and then Steve said when
00:42:28
he did the jerk which was a massive massive massive yeah and then he thought this is simple in the film I'm gonna make I guess it's gonna be this kind of
00:42:41
hit and the next you know three no one saw you know so yeah it's but it I but I agree with you that that when you're young and you're in
00:42:53
that first hit it's almost better to be in a hit later on so you understand how Showbiz works you know right and the
00:43:00
nice thing is that well things that fail people don't really see so when they just think of your resume or me or anybody they just remember oh that that thing and that thing and that thing you know every once in a while someone will
00:43:12
come up and mention a movie I was in my wife and I have a running gag for my short-lived movie career if we're watching a movie and it's really bad I
00:43:19
go this movie is so bad I could be in it but you know at the end of the day it's
00:43:25
just uh really uh the chemistry as they say you and Steve I mean this this and your uh your stand-up act together and
00:43:32
all this coming together in these last few years I mean but you it must be it's so fun to work with your friend like
00:43:38
that and make all that money it's absolutely true no it's true because we love the Hang we have a riot
00:43:45
in the set um we like a very loose funny set where there's a lot of jokes and the crew's
00:43:51
laughing yeah um and Selena as it turned out was exactly the same way like that kind of set but Steve Steve and I will literally and it's listen I have an objectivity
00:44:02
it's a beautiful thing that will finish he'll be really excited when we finish at the same time
00:44:07
you know and then he'll he'll arrange the driver so we'll drive Justin to his car and drink white wine on the way home
00:44:14
and then we'll park in front of his house and talk and finish the bottle of white fun geez that's yeah a show and
00:44:21
it's showing away from the Eagles you know well I I saw your show at Santa Barbara is so great that when you guys
00:44:27
go on tour it is I go on tour I I did not I did nine dates with Sandler and like norm and you know Schneider and we did like an SNL thing about two three
00:44:38
years ago and even nine in in a comfortable way nine days in a row by the end I'm like God damn I'm not
00:44:45
exactly Bon Jovi but what the [ __ ] it does it get to you the road it's kind of hard you know it's easy to make it we'll
00:44:53
we'll do the most we've ever done maybe is four oh good okay okay yeah yeah like we just did um last week when we were in
00:45:00
Nashville and Richmond Virginia and Columbia South Carolina we did those three in a row but the next ones will be in March or something you know you can really get
00:45:11
tricked out by playing casinos I was doing one with Dennis once and on San Bernardino and there's got like a thousand seats but everyone's in the bar right before the show comes out so yeah
00:45:22
the show starts in like 90 seconds and I go out there and of course Dennis Christ
00:45:28
thanks Carvey is it over are we done now Jesus Three Dog nine what are we here all right yeah but uh you know Dennis my IQ goes
00:45:39
up when I do Dennis because of his absolutely references in the uh amazing but yeah at one point he'll be in his
00:45:47
90s Carolyn will come in and say Dennis the last person that would ever have gotten one of your references died
00:45:57
all right Christ's sakes hanging with the mark cat with spudley okay every day we do it we do gigs me and Dennis he goes hey can I go first I gotta get out of here I go we're on the same flight
00:46:09
you got to get out of here where do you got to go he's like just let me go first babe come on I got you on this no I go
00:46:15
by the way he gets he gets anything he wants with me because we're all buddies and uh the last gig I did with Norm was
00:46:21
me norm and Dennis and they both go okay Norm goes and then can I go I go I have
00:46:27
to follow you two [ __ ] it's too hard you're too good uh did everything Norm Macdonald hosted the Canadian
00:46:34
screen Awards um maybe four years ago and the Canadian screen Awards is the Emmys and the Oscars in one evening the csas right and
00:46:47
Norm was the host and I was in the audience I was getting this thing and he comes out and this is his opening joke
00:46:53
uh so I was uh signed up here and I I was at LAX and I ran into my friend Chris Rock and Chris said what are you doing he said I'm about to go to Toronto what are
00:47:05
you doing and Chris said well I'm real excited I'm about to host the Academy Awards
00:47:11
so why are you going to Toronto and Norm said I said oh just to visit some family and that's his opening joke and then his
00:47:22
next one is uh the Canadian television is a lot like uh the Northern Lights we know it exists but we've never seen them I love this Cadence I love Norm you know
00:47:34
the way you kind of creep up on a line like you know just that rhythm of his but yeah another
00:47:40
Canadian there you go you can't keep everyone thinks I'm Canadian I run into them no Missoula Montana I'm 100 miles
00:47:47
from Canada but my wife's a Canadian citizen born out Peace River oh really Canadians yes you know it's very weird
00:47:53
people used to say all the time um like I'd be doing a CBC interview you know and what is with all the Canadians
00:48:01
is there something in the water and I'd say no no it's it really isn't I I don't think
00:48:08
there's any you know boundary to the Arts yeah so then people just kept coming you know Seth and Phil Hartman and you know the SCTV Eugene and Captain
00:48:19
Jim Carrey Jim Carrey [ __ ] normally it's bizarre considering it's 34 million people 34 million people so it's like
00:48:26
callow it's like all those people coming from just California yeah basically um Martin I have to ask you something
00:48:32
before whenever it's over I don't even know how do we end it but but I do you remember
00:48:38
I've told this story before and I forget you're in my story of my first Johnny Carson and and Dana I'll tell you uh it was
00:48:49
Johnny you know which one Johnny was and you were talking about the makeup but when I went on the guy Jim McCauley who
00:48:56
books me I said he goes you go out there and you hit your mark and you walk back and he's all drunk you know I'm kidding
00:49:02
I don't know maybe and he goes uh and I go okay and he goes there's a little dot on the floor and I go God and he goes do
00:49:08
your shitty act and get out of here and like all right he's got to get over to the Copper Penny across the street so uh
00:49:14
anyway I go all right and then I go what if Johnny invites me over I've heard stories and he goes he won't go and I go okay well I guess it's already been decided but I'm new and scared so I walk
00:49:27
out I got like a cable crew sweater on that I just I didn't know what to wear it's middle of August so I go out there beep up poop I uh I do
00:49:35
and I'm all I can think of is the floor is so black and shiny I've never been on a TVs thing I just I've only seen the
00:49:42
show that way and so now I'm seeing the cameras and [ __ ] you know and I'm terrifying oh I think about anything but
00:49:48
my ACT I'm like this I go what's going on here and then I go and he's kind of behind you know so he's
00:49:54
really not in your eye line at all and so I started to do my ACT I do it and Mark Martin's next to him he's the guest
00:50:01
so they're they're I see later on They're laughing and being nice and then I leave
00:50:06
and I go all right and I turn as a robot as I was told meet mop to walk off and then Martin or John they like and I think Martin says oh he was funny and Johnny goes yeah let's have him come over or something oh Martin and you both
00:50:19
watch me leave and then he goes he's right and he goes he's too nervous to look okay bye and I just left yeah and
00:50:26
then you dumb [ __ ] he invited you over I go you told me that's right oh you know I I leaned over and I said boy that he was hysterical wasn't me and
00:50:40
Johnny was laughing through England yeah hilarious I don't think anyone had walked off after being invited over it's so cool he came by my dressing room
00:50:54
though I I had my I took my sweater off I was setting Bo [ __ ] records I took my shirt off I was just in my pants and my [ __ ] skinny twig body and they knock on the door and I think it was him
00:51:07
and Doc or something and he goes and I had pepto-bism on my hand and I go yeah and he goes I did I just wanted to say
00:51:14
good job you didn't come and I go ah and he goes Pepto I'm trying to quit this stuff and walk away Gotta Laugh and
00:51:22
walked away and I was like I I don't think that Johnny ever forgot those early days on those early struggles of
00:51:27
comics yeah very nice and he had great empathy for him and thank you for laughing while I was out there that way you were etched in my memories as part of it
00:51:40
[Music] I remember the second time I was on Johnny Carson so I was on the first time Betty Davis now I'm my ass back and um
00:51:52
uh you know I plan my stuff and I plan my stuff and it goes well and Jake Johansen yeah remember Jason it
00:52:00
was his first it was his first appearance and his parents had flown in and they're in the audience
00:52:07
and um I so then I do two segments and then they go to Commercial and then um Freddy decordova comes over and is talking to Johnny and they're talking
00:52:20
and and I've been uh Jake and I were both the Thrones and joffey so I knew him we were talking before anyway
00:52:27
um uh Freddie turns to me and says do you have another segment and I said whoa um yeah I mean I have stuff we didn't hit
00:52:38
but then I said but you know if that means you're cutting Jake Jake it's really really funny and the two of them
00:52:45
looked at me like I was like out of Bellevue like wow did you just say something wow wow and uh I did the third
00:52:53
segment and they cut Jake so that was bad but in the third segment Johnny did this thing so
00:52:59
I'm here and um I said something and he laughed and then he looked at me he looked out and said you're a funny guy and I went by the time I got home I had
00:53:14
done I had been taped on VHS because I went to a party after and I must have rewound that moment of
00:53:21
Johnny going you're a funny guy 18 times in a row till I jammed the tape because it was like my whole life and being a kid in Hamilton and watching him
00:53:32
and just watching Show Business wow forget it until that moment I don't know why it struck and that's the power that he had over so many comedy he he you
00:53:43
know Dave Letterman has a hilarious story where I won't name the manager but his manager so he's on the spot it's his
00:53:50
first it's his first um appearance his heart is beating he realizes this is everything he's ever dreamed of his whole life is before him they're saying 20 seconds and his manager came over to
00:54:03
him started picking lint off his coat and said Robin got Popeye wow and David Letterman
00:54:15
Jesus I don't know I had a weird intersection with Johnny and that I did him on the show and I'd done appearances
00:54:22
with him and then that became unfortunately there was one sketch that was a little cruel I didn't write it but
00:54:29
it was the funniest sketch I maybe you've ever seen in my life Phil that is correct sir peaked in the
00:54:36
70s on younger viewers did that that it was so supernaturally funny to me that was really that my
00:54:48
first time on SNL where the audience didn't really matter because I had Phil there and I'm able to go a gentleman
00:54:55
joins us for those of you at home who don't know you're watching a television you know that kind of thing and it was
00:55:00
just I knew it was so much sketch was that you had that slight early dementia look in your eyes is confusion and that's what made it so
00:55:12
funny and so mean I know he didn't like that but anyway I was told that at a given point because of the way it was uh satirizing Johnny compared to Rich
00:55:25
Little it was a little a little closer to the bone that he used to walk around behind The Tonight Show set down the big
00:55:32
hallway going they're making fun of me now it's time to go oh really yeah but I I mean you know I
00:55:40
don't think Johnny like Rich Littles either well the first few times I went on the show with Johnny after doing SNL he was
00:55:47
fine with it he loved carcinia you know it makes fun of carcino as much as it shatterizes us you know it was just that
00:55:53
one thing but yeah I was kind of bittersweet because I was like you I just grew up with Johnny Carson I do
00:55:59
think he's the singular greatest television personality and really thinking about his voice just
00:56:07
that voice of his was Supernatural that that registered down here the way he would that whole thing if David did Carson it would be he'd
00:56:18
handle this Shing what do we hired to be it would be three artists too and I had
00:56:23
my balls taken away when I was younger and uh no explanation and um I know my my impressions are off but I luckily am getting by on my sparkling personality
00:56:35
but by the way uh voice as well yeah because I'm looking at the show with Mark you and Steve and the these
00:56:50
voices and then hers is such a cool mix yeah three of you have you noticed her she just has this really nice voice
00:56:57
she's listen she's been a star for you know she's 28 but she's been a star since she was 13 years old seems like a heavy job she had all all these people watching every move and
00:57:09
uh I only met her on Hotel Transylvania she was a sweetheart she seems like just trying to glide through life and trying
00:57:16
so hard to be normal when everything is trying to make her crazy it's a crazy way yeah I like when you said too Steve
00:57:23
are you not Scott Bakula um anyway uh I think we have to wrap up with Mr uh the the one of the funniest
00:57:31
guys ever Martin Short uh Martin thank you for hanging out with us buddy thanks guys this is fun and enjoyed it and and
00:57:38
and by the way edit and here's the other thing you might forget this is the note you're gonna get from don't worry the
00:57:45
studio whatever it is from everyone yeah guys uh Johnny Carson left the air in 90. any newer people you could talk I love that you really enjoyed talking but
00:57:58
that was a big bulk of it and I don't think we really have a show we have editing capabilities we can't cut around it we have six minutes left we have six
00:58:09
minutes of the show yeah good show good solid sixer well you know what the next one you should do you should really like
00:58:15
focus on President Carter it's our next that's our next come on man we're attacking my Biden oh yeah he's got behind [ __ ] we didn't get to that oh let's do it let's see a little
00:58:26
bit during the credit let's get real my dad my dad lost his job no joke I'm not kidding around here come on let's get real number one the one part number two
00:58:37
what the guy said you know the drill is there a crisis at the border no there's no crisis at the border how do you know
00:58:43
because that's so here on the piece of pain thank you now we can go oh my God I like the Carson stuff all right bye guys
00:58:57
pleasure miss you already all right bye-bye leave meeting go hey what's up flies what's up please
00:59:03
what's up people that listen we want to hear from you and your dumb questions questions ask us anything anything you
00:59:09
want you can email us at fly on the wall at cadence13.com ask me anything ask me anything that's like Wayne's World I suppose can you
00:59:22
sing it ask me anything a little jingle uh uh I can do it like this my money don't jiggle jiggle it falls that's the only song I know that's pretty good ask me anything I don't care
00:59:34
what a thing what you do had a game I'm a whim bling ding she's okay that's pretty good pretty good got in the hood
00:59:41
okay I do what I should I'm a Rhymer I'm a rapper it's just a I'm getting some morning wood go ahead gentleman here's someone who asked us anything hello gentlemen my name is
00:59:52
Christopher Nia Walker I'm a new fly from Melbourne Florida and loving a podcast I had something of the Dale Hammond episode that would really intrigue me you both admitted he's from
01:00:04
Australia you know I'm doing that no he's in Florida oh Melbourne Florida [ __ ] me [Laughter]
01:00:11
oh yeah I'm a trump supporter and I'm a [ __ ] who switched it I just saw Milford okay I'm just thinking of what a Floridian
01:00:24
would talk like you know no Australia is easier tied in Florida my name is Christopher Neil Walker Oh Boy no I
01:00:31
won't okay that's all right go ahead I'm a new phone yeah so you heard we can't sing he heard uh the Daryl Hammond
01:00:37
um episode and it intrigued him because we both Daryl and I said we can't really sing that he says quote that kind of
01:00:44
blew my mind thinking about the amount of control Dana has over his voice being able to speak like McCartney but not
01:00:51
sing like him why why well I think they meant me and you admitted to can't sing uh I cannot for sure even my mom told me because I did karaoke my birthday she goes Davey I did
01:01:04
a Home Sweet Home by Motley Crew and it was so [ __ ] rough and my mom goes Davey everyone's gonna say you can sing you cannot and my mom was my biggest fan
01:01:11
it was crushing well can you just sing a little bit okay beautiful just give us the first line
01:01:18
um uh money don't wiggle wiggle I got a time I'm outside that's a tick tock song well he was like you know McCartney swings of different
01:01:30
ways if I do you know and she gives me all my love that's all she do but now he's more he's rougher and like this we chose the line we knew where we were
01:01:46
going we were suffering what song is that I made it up oh well your day breaks your mind is so you think you can sing like McCartney but you can't sing in real life can you sing in real life I
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don't think I really can unless I stylize it it's like broccoli if I hit it in a comic way I'm better she's cold as ice yeah Paradise but if I'm trying
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to sing I'm not a real singer like Lovitz has pipes when she loves to remind me you can't sing like I can John
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has a real voice and uh anagostire had a real voice I'm sort of a I don't know what song would you like me to well I I
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know what you're saying like it I can't think but if you're sort of pretending to sing like someone it's if like if
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it's Tom Petty can you see baby would marry me sure [Music] so I'm gonna tell you lies
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Mike Tyson doing the same song [Music] but you know Paul would just say you know you just hit the notes you play a note you sing along you see what happens
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it's not a problem but you know people say a lot of things but you know Paul has to sing songs he wrote when he was 18 so but he does an incredible job well he's [ __ ] one of the best in the
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world so it's easy to me he's a freak he's a boy Genius Like Lauren said to me uh he's Mozart
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who apparently wrote more great Melodies that anyone in history did yeah did he ever host when you were there he was a cast member for one season
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um yeah dude I think McCartney was there when I was like Mozart sounds like a rapper couldn't deal with it uh but yeah
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we can't sing this is really we're gonna wrap we can't really sing I can't sing his new Young a bit and Paul McCartney a
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bit but no can't sing and I I don't know why uh uh oh yeah that was funny to do with Tom
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Petty well the talk on the street decision back goes solo well a good friend or even David Bowie
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all the society that changes yeah anyone do Dylan oh yeah midnight my friend said I had a date
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with the fair Queen really said he did the same song for about 40 minutes Dylan wants yeah I think at that point I think it's just turning into a magic trick it's like Penn and Teller because
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you go there and he's like I'm gonna do a song for 40 minutes until people [ __ ] walk out and then they don't and he's like this is like the longest joke
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I'm just gonna go in circles I and I promise you you won't hear a hit I envy musicians we have to have a new 60 like
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you you just did a special yeah you you got to write a new hour of original material and then the next two weeks but
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the stones are up there no come on man you know I do I do the same material but I hold the mic in my left hand
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and I want to paint it black okay this question's too long thank you for asking it sorry we don't really have an answer but we took 20 minutes to tell you that
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