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I always feel like someone's going to walk in the door and hand me a dish towel and say, "Fraser, get back to the
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get out of here." >> You know, I it just it's in me. Yeah. The third one, um,
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>> it's it it's it's kind of it's sort of the problem child. Um,
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>> okay. >> Which had the strange elements that the audience were like, you know, you're giving me
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something that I I don't you're telling me it's one thing and it's kind of
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>> got away from what people like. >> I hate that. We We can't do that. that
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we did in the other movie. They want to see something new and then it's like
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>> you can't reinvent the wheel. >> No, you want if you want you eat an
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Oreo, you want that cookie sound that tastes like >> you want you want the band to get back
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together which is what we are going to do. >> And the band is back together.
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>> Yes, we're getting the band back together. The fly on the wall aspect of
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being in the room to see what I >> Thanks for the plug. That's the name of
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the podcast. >> Oh, excellent. That's right. So Brendan Fraser, you you say it wrong.
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I say it right. Brendan a Frasier. I say it funny because he did a cameo and Dicky Roberts
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and he knew the director. The director did George the Jungle was it? Not Tarzan. George of the Jungle. George of
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the Jungle, which was a parody of >> Tarzan and he was funny and it was a big
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movie, hundred million dollar movie. >> Mhm. >> And he had done the show before and he
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was nice enough to say, "I have a movie coming out. >> Can I come on again?" We had a good
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time. Movie is called Pressure. It's about D-Day. Uh >> he plays Dwight D. Eisenhower has to
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make a decision about the weather. >> I'm definitely seeing it because
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>> you know more about history than me, Dana, but I hearing about it made me
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want to see it. I like those kind of movies. So, >> yeah, tense. A lot of tension.
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>> It's in a theater. And then last night, coincidentally, I ran into Paulie Shaw
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at the comedy store and he said, "Uh >> oh." >> I said, "We had Brendan." I go,
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"Brendan's very softspoken and very >> has a very sweet vibe to him." And I
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said, "Was he always like that on Encino man where he played like >> Good question."
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>> And he said, "Uh, he said he was. He even back then he's very careful how he
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talks to you and he's even on the podcast he's very quiet and he's very uh
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we talked after so did you very nice to me very nice to you after so couldn't be
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a cooler dude >> a lot of talent packed in there oh he tried on Farley's coat by the way yeah
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I'm going to put a picture >> dance in it >> because he saw Chris's coat up from
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>> and he started doing some Chris Farley sweet >> um yeah so >> this this One's interesting. We had him
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a couple years ago. It was really about just um his travailes in show business. He had injuries and his wilderness years
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and how he came back and he did the whale. And then we talk about what's going on now and that and this new movie
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and another surprise if you listen to the end. A surprise to me anyway. Happy surprise
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>> and his post Oscar life because before he hadn't won it. I I think he was just
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up for the whale and >> Yeah. >> Okay. Here he is. Brennan Fraser. You got in. There's a rumor you got in
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yesterday. >> Yeah. >> And Dana got in yesterday from New York. >> I did a one nighter in New York.
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>> Did you come in the morning? >> I came in. I left at 3:30 at Kennedy
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Heavy on American Airlines. And so we climbed south for a bit and then Well, you don't need the details, but anyway,
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uh the guy came on and said, "We just got a weather report. We're going to
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have two hours and it uh it could get it could get pretty rough." Yeah. >> You got it, too?
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>> Choppy. Yeah. Yeah, more choppy than rough. >> I didn't think it was bad cuz I was
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ready for rock and roll. I was ready for >> barrel rolls and war kind. Yeah, we will
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go in the counterfree back full circle >> a guy playing a harmonica. >> Dennis used to say we got a little light
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shop or dirty air. Those are ways of saying it's going to get bad, but I'd
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rather hear it tamp down like that. Little bit of dirty air coming up. >> Dirty air. Peter Dinklage told me that
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um he said that he is a a pilot in his family and he said that just to put your mind at ease if something bad's going to
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happen >> it's after takeoff like you know once you're in the air you're good landing it
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is a lot you know comparing the risk and if you think of you know air chop as like skipping a stone on water like you
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know it's not >> oh that's not as bad >> so you give yourself a mental image
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>> well I heard two minutes like it's probably a million to one when you take
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off. It's 10 million to one after 2 minutes. So, I just count backwards. Oh,
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>> and take deep breaths and then we get to 120 seconds, which would be 2 minutes,
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right? >> Yeah. >> What about the landing? >> Metric minutes. >> Is the landing more dangerous than the
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takeoff? >> Uh gosh, depends on the weather. >> Take off. >> Take off.
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>> It depends on I don't know. >> Well, the takeoff proves the thesis that
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the thing's going to fly again. >> Okay. you know. >> Yeah. >> Because, you know,
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>> they do stuff like, "Oh, we've only got one engine." You're like, "Yeah."
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>> Yeah. I don't like that. >> I don't like >> I flew on an A380 once out of Paris.
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>> A380. >> A380. It's a shopping center with with with an engine. You know, it's just so
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[ __ ] big. >> The bowling. >> So, we go up in the My wife and I go out
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and we're first class. Whoops. >> And we meet Maurice Travalier, if you
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know the reference, the pilot. >> We may not be taking off today. We have a little engine problem. So anyway, so
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we did go. I was kind of nervous. The exact same flight, seven days later, lost an engine, emergency, landed in
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Greenland. >> Wow. >> They interviewed the French guy. It was a [ __ ]
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>> I'm so punchy. I can't even. It's Brendon, right? Jet. >> It's Brendon.
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>> Uh, one thing I wanted to say to you because I was looking at some of the
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comments on the trailer and someone said, "I'm so down for this Brena Renaissance."
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Bnee sauce. >> Oh, you've seen this. Is it a meme? >> I've been
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>> This is >> Is it a meme? Uh I think it's painted on someone's ceiling at Cistine Chapel.
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>> Yeah, it's been Has it been around? People are saying it. >> People told me the other day, I want to
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see you make a comeback. I go, >> oh, am I gone? They're like, >> I was like, I've always been here, guys.
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Maybe. >> Yeah, you just never really know if you're in it. You don't really know
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where you are on the >> No. Why? I heard probably 10 times this week because just casually, where you
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going? What are you doing? Well, I'm doing this podcast interview Brendon Frasier. I LOVE THAT GUY.
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>> OH, REALLY? >> Every single one. >> Every single one. >> Every single one. I love that guy. I
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don't know why they got to got a memo or went to a meeting, but anyway, we you
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know, >> I'm going to have to send him a Je Oscar winner. It's very It's difficult. It's a
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little intimidating. >> Is it intimidating? Come on. Not for you guys. I'm still a douche.
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>> Definitely. We don't have advocating, but it's it's kind of it's very cool.
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>> It's it's um it's an affirmation that you don't really understand what the um
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you know, protocol is until it happens to you. Um and in you know the final analysis I think it's
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just um a way of me remembering how many people helped me get to that place >> where you even considered and then when
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it comes down to that envelope opening moment it could be anyone I mean any other you know we don't know we don't
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and and there's relief because you said something. We know an answer. Um, you
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know, and there's among, you know, in your category, at least the year I was there,
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we had we we'd been through a gauntlet of press and that's a lot of questions,
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>> all of that. And yeah, that's your job. You should do that. But it it takes a
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toll. And what it does is just make >> it's an odd job. >> It's a weird job. And but you you become
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like, you know, you know, you you got a lot closer. you care for one another and
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you're pulling for each. >> Who was in your cadre? >> Who was your co-stars? Not that they're
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losers, but they did lose. >> Um >> Oh, Bill Nye. And who was the first one
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called? >> Bill Nye. >> Austin Butler. >> Okay. >> Yeah,
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>> I like him. Yeah. >> Um All great guys. >> And you smoked them. But now when you
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>> Not true. >> No, not true. It could have been by 1%. You don't know. It could have been like
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this. How were you crawling up to the Oscars like Golden Globes, all the Critics's Choice? What was your batting
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ratio? I'm just trying to remember. >> No, no, no, no. Colin was winning
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everything since Venice. Um >> or Colin >> other Colin. >> The other Colin.
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>> Colin. >> Banshees of insurance. >> A man of work. >> You can say it.
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>> Oh, yeah. The Banshees of Insurance. I really committed. I just said it. I
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got I knew it was a lot of letters. No, I know you're calling me >> or what? You think it's Colin Pharaoh?
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>> Colin Quinn. >> Just want to see how many Colins you know. >> I know. I don't know that many. Colin
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Quinn. >> If it's not the guy from Man at Work, I'm out. >> I'm going to tap out on Colin.
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>> No. Colin from England. >> Ireland. Come on. >> That guy. You know that guy first. Well,
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Colin Frell. >> No. Was it Colin? >> Yes. >> Did we already do it and we kept
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guessing? I mean, I guess at the first time you came back. >> Listen, we'll be right back. We'll be
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right back. >> And I saw the whale. >> You did? >> Interesting.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The banshees had no chance against the whale.
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>> No, the whale the whale performance is like it's supernatural. I mean, it's
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historic. I mean I mean it was just like insane. Uh it was uh a lot of real hardcore
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rehearsal with Darren Areronowski is um the first to tell you that he would have
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been a baseball umpire if he wasn't a director because he's kind of guy sees
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everything. He gets the last call. He knows the play >> and he did couldn't cast it right. He
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saw you in some older movie and went ah that guy can do it >> what he said. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Uh he he had that >> intention to make the movie for a number of years I guess. But
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>> Mhm. >> when we met uh I was no I was this formidable director and if you He's got
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eyes that are kind of like you very kind behind you know formidable frames. >> You're looking at Dana.
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>> Yeah. Come on. I can go anywhere. Go get your facts straight. Jack go straight
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hormones. >> Joe Biden. >> Joe Biden. Someone had someone. >> He's Clark Kent and Joe Biden takes him
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off. Um, but yeah, is he kind of considered is he a taskmaster in a way, but brilliant Darren? I mean, I don't
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know, but he's >> he has high standards and he he he's he the thing about him is that he he he
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does get the ideas from the best uh he calls every, you know, he gets everyone's opinion. He's diplomatic.
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He's a very good leader. Like he >> and he credits right away with whomever
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came up with whatever suggestion he answer, you know, what to submit. But he's also uh quick to say, "No, that's
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not right." And he's always he's always correct. Like he asks that from any
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department, right? Wardrobe, makeup, all that. He knows the answer. And >> Mhm.
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>> he has a a real spontaneity and a confidence to him. like if he sees something a scene is playing out,
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>> he'll change the um order of the coverage to capture a performance from an actor from a
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different angle just automatically because he saw >> it's working like let's get
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>> he saw that. So he'll, you know, he'll turn the room around just to get that
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now. >> Yeah. And um he's uh I think I think he's one of among the directors who we
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admire who have um courage who kind of fear no art in a way you know they they and and having courage doesn't mean you
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know you're not challenged or you're fearless or something like that but he
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he he he does take risks and I think that's where you know big rewards come >> he kind of work with less location so he
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has that ability to kind of flip the camera. It's not like we're going to the
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beach now. Oh, you had a less location. >> In the case of that film, The Whale, it
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was it was in one room, right? >> Literally in one room. >> Yeah. It was Charlie's apartment. And
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you know, it was in >> it was like a stage play in that sense that you could really get intimate with
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the scene. >> The way it felt Well, it was written by um as >> as a stage play.
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>> Yeah. And adapted for the screen. >> Yeah. Dana >> by Sam. >> Let me look at my notes. I knew that.
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No. Is it better to have like a director? Because you've had a lot of directors. We've all had a lot of
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directors. >> And I think it's better when because there's ultimately a final say.
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>> So, which makes the system work, you know, when everyone pitches in, you give
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your ideas. I'm in these movies. You give your ideas, but someone's going to
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make the final call. Sometimes they take your suggestions. But ultimately, it's
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better when you think they're really good because it's easier to take when
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they make the final call because some movies you don't down deep think they're
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any good. >> And then you go, so this is what we're going with. Okay. And then you kind of
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go in knowing, I don't think this is right. And that's that's a tricky
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situation, but luckily you got this guy. >> And you probably work with better and
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better guys all the time. >> Um, they're all good in their own way. There
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are some directors who I don't understand their direction. >> I will smile and nod.
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>> Yeah. >> And then I'll >> try to get what they said. You don't
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even know. >> And then afterward they go, yes, that was it. And you're like, I have no idea
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what you told me. >> I did the same thing. >> I know. You try. You go, I think this is
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what they mean. I've done that where they go, nope. Nope. And then, yep. >> Ah.
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>> And you go, I don't know what happened. I still think have you had this
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experience with a director where they're sort of allowing you to discover it
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while you're filming or you have those moments where this you're doing it for
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the very first time like Woody Allen or something or Clint Eastwood. They'll
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kind of huddle. >> Yeah. >> You know, you go to the end, you know, I
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mean, and then they just go in and they start doing it, you know. Have you had an experience like that? You'll probably
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be good at that. >> Um >> I'll I'll make a call. >> Um I think I'm a first take, best take
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kind of guy. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Well, there you go. >> I think I or early ones and once I
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started doing too much then gilding the lily and >> so Kubric would have been a nightmare
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for you. >> It would have been a long day. >> 200 >> even venture they say that I'm like I
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would not envy being 100 takes like some people brag. We like Tom Cruz like we did this 100 takes to get it right and I
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go how bad is everyone? >> You can't get it in 50. I mean, >> yeah. Or what
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>> things are different now considering that it's digital, right? >> Cameras are like flipping on a light
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switch. You know, you just leave them on all the time and then the kind of we used to say, you know, we'll fix it in
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post or, you know, >> you can do it in the box right now overnight even. Um,
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>> yeah, digital >> takes are longer and longer. There isn't the rhythm of changing
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>> and like sorry to interrupt, but I kind of like to sometimes if you're
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comedians, you like to improvise. So digital was revolutionary for people like Will Frell. You know, Adam Mccay
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would just put the camera on him for like 10 minutes and Will would just throw lines and pick the best one,
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>> right? And that can also be prohibitive in a sense that >> too much time.
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>> Too much time. Yeah. and you feel like you are in almost, you know, aatrical sort of venue when
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it's inherently work, you know, cinema for, you know, a smaller size performance. So, you know,
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we're not acting out a whole play scene. But then sometimes there's pros and
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cons, of course. I mean, the physical act of taking magazines of film off the top of the camera and having the rhythm
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of, okay, well, they got to reload. That means I can breathe for a second. I can
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check in with the whatever, have a chat about this, talk to the camera guy. Um, now, um, you know, a whole new
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generation's come of age in a period where it's ubiquitous and and and constant and and it it gives you a sense
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of um, needing to be sort of on all the time. >> Yeah. >> It's it's open-ended. It's not really
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>> there's an interesting thing when this happens when you're shooting and then
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they they're doing more and more takes and if you even feel like you're getting
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it right, maybe they're looking for something else and then I start changing
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my performance because I go we're not moving on so I'm going to try different
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things and sometimes when they move on I'm thinking the early ones were better.
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I don't you know I think maybe they're looking for someone else's uh coverage. They go, "Oh, that was
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better." And I'm like, "Well, now I'm stuck in mine that I didn't love."
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>> These things is inside baseball. But you know what I mean. Like you go, I'm just
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changing because we're not moving on. So I'm tweaking and trying to try anything
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else to feel like it hit. >> And then sometimes the one they go, "Got
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it." And you go, "Wait." >> And then you have your own inner critic
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going >> Yeah. >> You know, 10 minutes later, oh, I should have I could have. That's the worst when
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you move on and then >> wait and then you got to feel like you're going to run up the escalator to
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get to the top again. I just want to do one. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Since you did uh you
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know big comedies or you know and then you've done real drama. Does do they scare you equally or or it's like what's
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the most frightening for because I I think just being very vulnerable on a set would be harder than comedy in some
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ways. >> I'm a I'll shoot just straight. Dana, I always feel like someone's gonna walk in
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the door and hand me a dish towel and say, "Fraser, get back to the get out of
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here." >> You know, I it just it's in me and I >> Sure. >> So, even after the Oscar, you didn't
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kind of affect you a little bit. Not cocky, but a little bit. I must be doing something right.
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>> Well, I got the Yeah. I mean, like, well, for in that case, I do know that
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with a whale, I I did everything that I humanly possibly could. It was 2022. We all thought we were going to die
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tomorrow anyway because co there's existential threat for everyone. Actors are, you know, ideally
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>> supposed to do this like it's the first and last time you ever will.
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>> So, you know, leave it everything. Give it everything you got. That's
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>> that's right for the part. >> Mhm. um when when I can remember feeling like
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I had everything to prove at that time in my career and um if the film didn't
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land with an audience or it was not received in a favorable way you know with everyone has best hopes for their
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work then I I would I just would have taken it straight up no chaser that Okay, I
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really don't know what I'm doing cuz I was all out of moves. >> Yeah,
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>> I didn't have any other ones. So, that that that really did exhaust what was in
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my repertoire at that time. >> And so, it's nice that it was wellreceived and that it was awarded and
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given all this recognition, but it >> is not because of anything that I specifically did. It was Hongcha, it was
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Sadi Sink, it was Darren. I think was good in that. Yeah. I I think it's also
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you you get in a place where you go >> I hope this is the one that works because it feels like to get the
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elements to come together. Forget, you know, you got the cast >> and the director and the script and then
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you go and the editing >> and the promotion. You're like and the trailer and you go,
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>> "So far we're doing good. I've seen the final product. We just got to get people
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to see it." And a lot of movies that the wheels go off earlier and you're like,
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"I don't think this is the one. I don't think this is going to hit it on all
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cylinders." And then there's that X factor of who knows what audiences where they are
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>> culturally in their head space. What >> you hit it at the right time.
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>> What do they need to see? What do they want to feel more about? You know, we
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all go through these sort of trends of >> culture, right? What think about the way
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they >> That's true. Yeah. Especially with comedy, it really there was, you know,
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Tropic Thunder and The Hangover, movies like that. >> Only till recently there was an R-rated
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comedy. Kind of felt like it was from the '9s. brief brief run at the box office. It was called Bus Boys that
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David made. It >> very quick. It's just great. I did a movie, >> but it was lowbudget movie.
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>> It was post any kind of woke stuff and politically incorrect. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Which brings me to this question, Brent. >> Yeah. >> Is it too late for you to be in Buzz
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Boys? No. Is it um No. When you did uh >> I did answer the call back in the day.
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>> Oh, you came. I love it. Uh that was Sam Weissman, right? Because he did Tarzan,
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right? >> George of the Jungle. >> George of the Jungle. Yeah. What did you
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say? George of the Jungle. George of the Jungle. >> You played Tarzan. >> George. You played George was based on
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Tarzan from the cartoon. >> So, >> you had quite a range, man. >> You do uh let's just say some comedies.
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Then you get really deep. All the way to the whale. You did a rental family, which was a very nice
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yoga movie. Another sort of series on Rotten Tomatoes. Not bad, right? >> Yeah. An incredibly
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>> I got 88 with all mine combined. >> I read a review. >> Um it was 86. I'll talk later.
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>> You um I read a review said Oscar worthy. This is for them. >> Oh, really?
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>> Yeah. >> Possibly if you know an audience's headsp space was in a a a place where it
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needed to hear that kind of story or appreciate. In the case of rental family, it's a movie about a guy who is
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in a country that is not his own and the country he's not in is the United States
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and he hasn't been there for about seven or eight years. I mean, you figure out
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why did he leave America? >> Who is this guy? >> Who is this guy? And what was it that he
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doesn't want to go back to? Well, you know, what's the temperature in America
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today? That's a whole another conversation, right? It is. >> But he finds himself in a new place and
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he's extraordinarily lonely in the one of the busiest cities of the world. Yeah.
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>> And uh is realizing that yeah, he's going to die a lonely man who with
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father issues of his own >> if he doesn't have some sort of sense of connection with people that he can't get
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through his acting career because let's face it, he's not a very good one. He
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his big gig was Mr. Clearbrite Man and the toothpaste commercial. And you know, and that's a trope.
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>> It is. You know, if you've ever been, you've been to Tokyo, I mean, you see
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there's mascot culture is huge. >> Yeah. >> And uh expats taking those jobs are like
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plastered all over uh advertising everywhere in Japan. >> And um it's still not enough. And once
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he stops performing, you know, in this sort of buffoonish clownish way >> and is able to make proper connections
00:23:22
with people in a in a meaningful way when he's not, you know, performing for
00:23:26
a camera, but instead he's >> uh working at a service uh industry to um
00:23:34
give companionship to people >> who are >> and desperate for authenticity.
00:23:41
>> It's a good premise. >> And if you know that uh can help, it does. Sometimes it can't.
00:23:50
And that's where this film really lives. What are those thorny questions about
00:23:57
standing in as surrogates in people's lives? Was it kind of fun playing an actor who ends up acting like he's
00:24:05
pretending to be the the longlost father or whatever? >> He goes on >> the guy you're playing is also
00:24:11
pretending. >> It's a performance of a performance. You're right. until it the the the
00:24:17
logarithm gets a little bit too confusing and he and he just realizes I'm going to stop doing that
00:24:23
>> and jump in with both feet and just >> uh be and and then learn of course that
00:24:29
he indeed is actually being >> Is there anything like that in Japan? >> Yes, it's a business model that existed
00:24:36
since the 80s. >> I did not. Wow. >> That's why it's a great idea. And then
00:24:40
uh >> yeah, I saw a scene with you and this young girl and she was >> that's Shannon Gorman. She was nine
00:24:47
years old. Never acted before. >> She's nine. >> Oh, she was good. Yeah. 12 almost never
00:24:52
before. >> No. Oh, she's 9 years old. I mean, she was a little kid. >> She been around the block by
00:25:00
>> she'd be a little worn out by nine. Yeah. A couple sitcoms. >> Um that was But anyway, so she was
00:25:07
really good, right? There is something about the purity of a kid, you know, >> maybe not overthinking.
00:25:14
>> Well, when you're when you're casting a kid, you're also casting their parents,
00:25:17
>> you know. >> How are they? Let's >> terrific. Oh, good.
00:25:21
>> I mean, just terrific, supportive. >> Her mother uh is Japanese, her father is
00:25:28
Irish. So, I mean, she fit the bill to a tea. um she was, you know, naturally gregarious and interested in
00:25:38
pleasing the grown-ups and performing on her own. So, you know, it it fit the the
00:25:44
criteria perfectly. And we quickly learned we had to stop rehearsing with her because
00:25:51
she had because she hadn't acted before. She was learning Kids Are Sponges, right? You know, and
00:25:56
>> we didn't want her playing her game in a locker room. So just get her on set,
00:26:01
shoot it, >> capture capture lightning in a bottle, you know. >> I like this this Hakkari was that the
00:26:06
director? >> Yeah, that's right. >> And is Hakari some who you knew
00:26:10
something they did or you just the script is the part that got you? >> Script was first uh I did not know her.
00:26:16
I met her of course, but um that was just before the strike and then we had to wait for a year. Um
00:26:24
she and her writing partner Steven Blahoot uh were in Tokyo trapped there during the lockdown
00:26:34
>> and he's an American and uh he was looking for a job and he was going
00:26:38
through like classifides and he saw an advertisement looking for >> yeah you know rent rental boyfriend or
00:26:46
rental you know that sounds a little hokey and a little dodgy in some ways and you those services existed. Go
00:26:52
ahead. A whole another movie. But >> and he said, "What is this?" He asked
00:26:55
her. She said, "I'm Japanese. I don't know what this is." And that's how they
00:26:58
started researching and finding out. >> Interesting. >> Well, the fact that it's real is even
00:27:02
better. H And what's this latest one? I'm sorry. >> It's called Pressure.
00:27:06
>> Yes. I'm very excited to see that. Are you really? >> I honest to God, I saw because it gave
00:27:12
me vibes of the Churchill movie with Gary Oldman, >> Focus Features. Yeah. That's what they
00:27:17
do. >> Yeah. And I love that movie. I've seen it probably five times. >> My wife and I visit it every once in a
00:27:24
while, but this one um knowing a little bit about it, you know, and how intense the weather thing was and how
00:27:31
rudimentary our weather thing was. >> Yeah. >> So, how did this come to you and I want
00:27:36
to just know what what you >> you know, you're going to play Dwight D.
00:27:40
Eisenhower. I mean, at first you kind of go, okay, and then and then what do you
00:27:43
do? But >> yeah, and tell them tell the crowd a little bit about what it's about.
00:27:47
>> Sure. Yeah. Uh, well, pressure is the weekend before the D-Day invasion, which
00:27:54
was, >> as history tells us, Tuesday, June 6th, 1944. I didn't know that the date originally
00:28:02
was Monday, >> June 5th, 1944. >> Largest amphibious attack. >> 300,000
00:28:09
troops in a morning. >> Yeah. >> Ever. It's the biggest location detail.
00:28:19
Logistical. Yeah. Uh, >> new equipment never been done in battle before. >> Early call sheet for extras.
00:28:26
>> Exactly. It's >> We got to get there at 2 a.m. We got to start shooting at 6:00.
00:28:32
>> Well, one of the most indelible moments of of my cinematic life, seeing The
00:28:36
Longest Day with my dad when I was like eight >> and the Germans like Shaz, you know,
00:28:41
they don't think there's any attack coming. And then he goes all like that and you
00:28:47
see like a million ships. >> Yes. >> And as a kid I was like, "Holy
00:28:51
>> the the that weekend, of course, they factored in everything that goes into an invasion and certainly
00:29:00
meteorology and the weather plays a huge part. That's another combatant >> essentially." And um it was
00:29:11
for the efforts of a meteorologist named Skagg who was uh courageous enough to stand up and
00:29:24
tell everyone almost Cassandra like you need to heed the warning that there is an inbound storm
00:29:32
>> and delay >> storm like a big completely six foot waves, air force
00:29:38
couldn't hit targets, >> landing craft, and mean those were >> dodgy enough to begin with.
00:29:44
>> Yeah. >> And many of them didn't make it under good circumstances. Uh and he said, "You
00:29:49
you you have to take this seriously." >> And um they did delay. Actually, it was going
00:29:57
to be later. I think it was the 18th was the soonest they could do it considering
00:30:02
>> the phases of the moon, the amount of uh reflected light to attack >> the levels of the 18th. Yeah.
00:30:09
>> Everything. And then >> deciding you're the guy that decides.
00:30:13
>> Pardon? >> You're the guy that decides. >> Well, um he had the final word. Um you
00:30:19
know, he was Eisenhower of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was the last word. >> Yeah. and the final word and and the
00:30:26
responsibility was his and his alone. And he took it. He did. I mean, he's, as
00:30:31
I studied and learned, he wrote a letter in advance of a response to whatever the
00:30:38
outcome of the invasion would be in uh victory and one that was in uh defeat. >> Wow.
00:30:47
>> And the one in victory was the one that we know of. But he cared for the troops
00:30:52
intensely. That's I mean no secret. He he definitely didn't have uh we will get boots on the
00:31:00
beach no matter what. >> They knew they were going to go and have a bare knuckle fight with a chainsaw as it
00:31:09
was already. But uh he he didn't um want there to uh be the he wanted the fewest reasons
00:31:21
for people for his soldiers to uh prevail knowing that there's an estimated 75% casualty
00:31:31
>> anticipation. >> That's on a good day. Like that's >> that under those circumstances.
00:31:36
>> Whoa. Whoa. We can talk about it and hearing you say that and seeing you get
00:31:40
a little emotional. It is sort of like hard for us to fathom his responsibility that task those young men that happen to
00:31:49
be 18 or 19 or 20 or 21 on those landing craft you know it's just >> it's um you know we all saw Saving
00:31:57
Private Ryan which was sort of >> it's it's an it's an anthem for you know
00:32:02
the genre. Mhm. >> Yes, there are battle sequences to put us in the right place that are in the
00:32:07
film Pressure >> um >> because you know they're required, but also
00:32:14
>> um Pressure takes advantage of um archival uh footage, documentary footage that
00:32:21
we're all pretty familiar with. We watch the History Channel growing up, but that
00:32:26
imagery was actually >> a dupe of a dupe of a dupe of a dupe. M >> and so Anthony Maris director went to
00:32:33
the source and he upresed the originals and you know whatever our feelings about
00:32:40
so you know guard rails around CG or AI >> which was formerly CGI >> um you know
00:32:50
>> upres going it it does give you a feeling of authenticity when >> it's also in different eyes you're
00:32:58
seeing it because it's very It is Ken Burns film um was on the first world war was
00:33:05
inspiration for this and you know and in that one you can see >> soldiers breath you can you can
00:33:12
>> uh they brought in lip readers >> and to learn that somebody in the
00:33:18
trenches was going oh the sergeant he's lost we're going to >> we don't you know or they're swearing at
00:33:23
each other who took my boots or you know whatever it is you can and it gives such
00:33:26
reality to and and and the way that we see the footage in the film, uh, Pressure, it seriously looks like it was
00:33:35
shot, you know, last week. Yeah. >> On a news broadcast, >> but it's the real thing.
00:33:41
>> You probably wouldn't have used it if it wasn't looking up to snuff anyway.
00:33:44
>> Well, that too. And also, hey, let's, you know, it saved a lot of money
00:33:47
because a lot of that gets recreated and, you know, to various >> big big >> levels of success, right?
00:33:53
>> Things are rec. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Charlton H. Chuck u he told me once they
00:33:59
couldn't make Benh her >> uh again and they tried um maybe 15 years ago because of the real chariots
00:34:09
and if it's a thousand people it's actually a thousand extras or 2,000 extras. It's just so vast. But we'll see
00:34:16
where AI goes. But it's it's you're trying to get it connected to you can't
00:34:20
tell that it's not a real guy on a horse running and stuff. I guess it's
00:34:25
>> when we don't see the construction lines around the images, our brains are
00:34:29
satisfied. I mean, you know, we we gentlemen, we live in an age now where the next generation has had their
00:34:39
lobe uh trained by digital imagery to recognize >> what smacks of authenticity and what
00:34:48
does not just automatically by virtue of looking at phones in their hands since childhood. And you and I didn't we had
00:34:54
something completely different. I mean, we can >> all remember looking at CGI heavy movies
00:35:00
in the '9s and the 80s and, you know, giving a pass to really funny looking effects,
00:35:06
>> but they all had their certain charm at that time, too. >> I can tell what's written.
00:35:10
>> The first Jurassic Park was the best I saw. >> First Jurassic Park.
00:35:14
>> First Jurassic Park. >> Well, Spielberg, the dinosaurs, >> was it when he jumped up the se the
00:35:19
raptor who jumped? I I jumped when I saw that film. the one they're in a kitchen
00:35:23
>> and the dinosaur they're trying to climb I think through a hatch in the ceiling
00:35:26
and the point of view is down and the raptor comes in looks up and jumps and you go ah boo
00:35:31
>> I think so >> I remember they brought Spielberg >> there's five of them now right
00:35:35
>> a thing about the movie before they did it >> and what convinced him was they showed
00:35:39
him what the dinosaurs would look at and he watched he goes oh [ __ ] this is >> this is better than I thought let's do
00:35:45
it like if they can look like this >> we can do the movie around this you know
00:35:50
which they did and it and it worked I have some trivia for you. >> So anyway, so the the film really
00:35:56
centers on this incredible decision that lands on Dwight D. Eisenhower's head.
00:36:01
>> Well, take into consideration in 1944 that meteorology was kind of just
00:36:05
looking out the window. >> Yeah. Wasn't it? No. No. Literally, right? It's actually raining over out here in
00:36:11
the North Sea and then you try to extrapolate. Yes. What made the gentleman and the meteorologist special?
00:36:17
Well, the the Americans, as depicted in the film, were reliant on analog, so they went off of records. If the
00:36:25
farmer's almanac farmer's almanac, that's true, >> in 1912 that it didn't rain, then it
00:36:30
won't rain today. >> Wow. Farmers Farmers Almanac doesn't get enough uh crops last
00:36:36
men are ready to go. Let's see what farmers out on. >> When did the crops grow last year?
00:36:42
>> It's just really Look out. It's cloudy. Like you do all growing up. You're like,
00:36:45
"Oh, it's raining. This is very less nest from WKR >> or a barometer, you know.
00:36:50
>> Didn't he just wouldn't he like go and he would give a report from the
00:36:54
helicopter? >> That's right. Yeah. >> Less that was his big move.
00:37:01
>> Well, you know, and and using science is essential, which is the point of the
00:37:05
film >> to say, hey, give me the data. So weather balloons and barometric readings
00:37:10
and all of that are the collision of ideology and which one will prevail and which is the uh you know tried and
00:37:18
trueue method and which is the obvious difference the the North African campaign um had pretty dry conditions.
00:37:27
So it was safe to say hey it's not going to rain tomorrow. But in Northern Europe
00:37:31
there's 10 different weather source systems that come through every hour. And we we really take it for granted in
00:37:39
in in a manner of speaking, you know, when our airplane starts chopping up and down.
00:37:44
>> It says here, you know, yeah, I know. >> So weather boy comes in and starts
00:37:47
saying, "Hey, I don't think you guys should go." I like that anyone even
00:37:49
listen to this guy, >> you know, that's that's to a certain extent and that is dramatized now for
00:37:55
because it's look, face it, it's a movie, but he didn't show up really at
00:37:59
the last minute and go, "Hold the phone." >> Yeah. >> He had been
00:38:03
>> there's some grumblings, I'm sure, like there was dissent. And so that's the
00:38:07
point of the film is what were the conversations in the 72 hours or so >> leading up to it and what really was at
00:38:14
stake and the weather was just I mean imagine the punch list of things to do. That was just one item,
00:38:20
>> right? And you're going to stop it for that and that's and you're like this
00:38:24
sounds crazy but he's probably like when you see in the trailer it's like two
00:38:28
storms coming. It's like the perfect storm with Clooney. You go this is going
00:38:31
to be worse than you guys think. Don't go. And then you go, I've been in
00:38:36
storms. And you go, well, if it's this bad, that will make it go from 75% ineffective. Yes. 95.
00:38:43
>> I did not know that. And I did not know this about the weather delay when D-Day
00:38:49
was, you know, taught to us. >> What Stag did was he did accurately predict that there was a break in that
00:38:58
storm. >> That was a big thing, right? >> 12, 14 hours, something like that. And
00:39:02
if they were going to go, go then. Otherwise, they would have to wait until the 18th and the Germans would know
00:39:11
a whole other reasons why it would have been calamity. >> Mhm. >> So, if you think about it again now,
00:39:20
okay, this thing is delayed. We're not going to go on Monday. We're going to go
00:39:24
on Tuesday. >> All right. We're already at >> delay. You're going to wait for one
00:39:28
storm to pass. >> Yeah. Okay. And a lot of them are already at sea. >> Yeah.
00:39:32
>> And the law had to turn back, gas up again, you know, and >> it's not like you're rerouting your
00:39:39
FedEx package delivery here. >> And that they did go during that narrow window of opportunity
00:39:50
made the Germans think they'd be crazy to attack in weather like this. So they
00:39:54
really did catch them unawares in that regard. I mean, the Germans were rooted in. Is there some red herring like they
00:40:00
Germans thought they were coming some other way? >> Oh, misinformation was used so many
00:40:05
ways, but yeah, they were convinced that they would be attacking from Sherborg. >> Um, but they had been misdirected with
00:40:13
all kinds of, you know, >> sure, >> operative. I love that about World War
00:40:17
II. And that's the fascination of fake planes from afar that are made of cardboard or whatever.
00:40:23
>> Inflatable tanks and >> and the parachuting little men coming down all
00:40:28
>> you'll see those in this film. >> Oh, good. I like them with the clickers.
00:40:32
>> Just one of the buttons. >> One of six. I don't know if you know
00:40:36
this, D. >> One and six. >> One paratroopers >> landed in the right place. Just one of
00:40:41
six. >> This is trivia. >> Brandon, I'm just going to tell you. I
00:40:45
just want to ask some questions about getting into Dwight D. Eisenhower and trying to get cuz like into forming
00:40:53
whatever you were going to bring to it the because I was reading about him today and he was
00:40:58
>> it's interesting in any kind of hierarchy how he's going around going
00:41:02
around then he becomes the guy at a given point. He deals with Patton later on it's Churchill
00:41:08
>> and of course Damen Lewis plays Monty you know that's a great he's I love
00:41:14
seeing him in a movie. So what what was your process? Were you got it? Were you terrified or you like I'm playing
00:41:19
Dwight? >> No I was daunted. Absolutely. And when Anthony said on a call that I got the
00:41:25
offer I said me like I mean why? >> Well you look just like but do I? I don't know. I I didn't I didn't It's not
00:41:33
the first thing I would think of, but I'm like, "Okay, yeah, the hair." All
00:41:36
right. Well, you know, >> I could probably I just didn't I didn't And then he said
00:41:43
sent me two photographs alongside myself and I, oh, hang on. >> We're about the same age at the time.
00:41:49
I'm 57 and he was I think 54 when >> Mhm. >> at that time in his life. Um, and
00:41:57
we we did have similar features. I I am taller than he was. I I am uh I have a much different build than he does. Um he
00:42:08
was eating like everyone rations at that time. Um uh I I knew that my body type as it is is kind of what you see is what
00:42:19
you get. So I couldn't will myself into looking like the shape of another human
00:42:24
being that I'm not reductively on, >> you know, as opposed to what I did in
00:42:29
the whale, which is the other way around. >> So >> um I had to find a way honestly to just
00:42:35
give myself a break and alleviate the >> um I have to give a fimile performance
00:42:41
because honestly I'm not the kind of actor who knows how to do that. I'm not.
00:42:45
There are those who are great. Carrie Oldman, fantastic disappear. That was Churchill. I don't know how many people
00:42:52
really know what how I talked. I know he's president in the 50s, but he didn't
00:42:57
seem to have a big >> hook, you know, or a weird accent or like, you know,
00:43:02
>> he was from Kansas. Um, >> Midwestern Abalene. He uh he graduated
00:43:09
um you know, top of his class. He wanted to go into the first war, but the timing
00:43:14
was he graduated and the war was over. So for the next 40 or so years of his career, he he never fired a shot in
00:43:21
anger, never was fired at in battle. >> He was an excellent strategist, excellent diplomat. Um he was a product
00:43:31
of his time as everyone was and I tried to dismiss the things that I, you know, ethically, morally didn't don't concur
00:43:40
with. However, that's not my job. >> Different time. But he was precient in
00:43:46
the sense that he really cared about um partnering with an enemy rather than rubbing their nose in it. Hence NATO,
00:43:57
hence uh >> the beginnings of civil rights, >> um NASA, you know, he
00:44:05
>> Yeah, he was part of a lot of things. Yes, he he he he was a leader >> and and and he didn't um
00:44:15
demand respect. He he he commanded it because he earned it. >> Yeah. >> For the
00:44:22
you know the sincerity and the the um truth that he brought to how he did his job. Everybody wanted to follow him. It
00:44:32
is interesting, you know, a brain trust if it's a military one. Even in Hollywood movies, you're around a table
00:44:37
and you're discussing an idea and then you go person to person. So, was Dwight
00:44:42
the kind of mic drop guy like people going, "We should do this, we should do
00:44:45
that. Hey guys, this is what I think." >> My take is that he was kind of like
00:44:49
Darren Areronowski in that he heard everyone's opinion whether he agreed with it or not. He went around the room
00:44:56
and the good idea was the good idea that we all because and he knew what it was but he but he did hear from everyone
00:45:03
>> and he um gave credit right away >> for where it came from. So >> I mean this is this you know these this
00:45:12
is this is this is not sitting around a table in Hollywood somewhere. This was you know the headquarters
00:45:19
Supreme. Um, so the the fly on the wall aspect of being in the room to see what I say.
00:45:30
>> Thanks for the pluck. That's the name of the podcast. >> Oh, excellent. That's right. The fly
00:45:35
onthe-wall point of view. That >> was the first time anyone's seen it.
00:45:39
>> This is is what makes this movie because you get to see what really would they
00:45:45
have had been talking about. >> Yeah. Wh who are the people when you know we know
00:45:52
>> we know you're polite and everything you're nice but what do you really think
00:45:55
right >> and that's how Anthony directed this movie >> um and it you know and I was I expressed
00:46:00
a little bit of conernnation about long takes and all that but he definitely had
00:46:05
a method where we did very long takes repeated ones reset but working in England with British actors they all
00:46:14
come from um grand tradition of Yes. >> And um I you'd be surprised how much you
00:46:24
find yourself upping your game when you're surrounded by incredible actors. >> That also helps.
00:46:29
>> So long takes like that, the camera's moving around goes a little elsewhere
00:46:33
and then and and you got to stay in character, comes back around. Yeah. >> You talking about that like with
00:46:41
movement or just even regular? >> There were two. Yeah, like two or three cameras depending on
00:46:46
>> other cameras going at all times. Like a couple. >> There was always at least triple or
00:46:50
double. >> Whoa. You think that speeds it up? You think? >> You'd be surprised, right?
00:46:56
>> Go slow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> By the way, I have a trivia for you.
00:47:01
Another one. >> Is it true four packs of Camel cigarettes for Eisenhower every day?
00:47:08
>> Filterless. >> Did you ever hear that? >> I did. Oh, yes. not not that precient on
00:47:12
the cancer. >> K. Somesby his u his left arm his his right arm his his girl Friday uh would
00:47:22
ration would ration them to him. You could get four and six a day or something like that because Yes. And he
00:47:28
drank pots and pots of coffee. Did they ever talk about sports or anything like that that would be in the movie? Like
00:47:36
they're trying to like just get their mind off what's going anyone like what's
00:47:40
going on at the time in the world or is it all just about the war? >> I'd like to talk about fishing.
00:47:44
>> Oh, he did. Okay. >> That's what he talked about. Fly fishing
00:47:46
>> to like calm him down like just talk about anything else and he played bridge
00:47:49
a lot. >> Uh yeah, of course. Um and he he organized baseball and football leagues
00:47:54
in his youth. >> Okay. >> Um I mean he was a team player. They're
00:47:58
very famous photographs before the airborne take off. And you look at these pictures and you think, you know, like
00:48:05
three and five of these guys are not going to come back. >> Oh my, it's so horrible.
00:48:09
>> And you see him shaking hands with them and they're talking about fly fishing
00:48:13
>> is what they're doing. And he was just a regular guy. >> And he it wasn't an affectation. I mean,
00:48:18
he was the boss. Definitely. >> Yeah. >> He he wore those four stars on his
00:48:23
shoulder. Uh um and what's the quote? Like they weighed a ton a piece is what someone
00:48:30
said of him. >> Yeah, I see. Yeah. Because you think of Montgomery and Patton is being you very
00:48:35
theatrical. At least this way they're presented in really big egos and Eisenhower at least he was presented as
00:48:41
kind of the steady hand that like you said created all this respect. And there was, you know, east coast, west coast,
00:48:50
you know, Americans and the Yanks and the Brits. You know, you do it your way, we do it our way. We've worked together.
00:48:57
Here come the Americans again. You know, that that that's all. And that's
00:49:00
appropriate. That's right. >> But there's no room for uh any kind of
00:49:05
like, you know, sociopathic approach when when when the stakes are this high. You know, we will get boots on the
00:49:13
ground no matter what. Leave it to me. was um the uh often account of of of Montgomery's approach to it. But he of
00:49:23
course had been in battles many many more and he had you know a real ego about you're the new guy here
00:49:31
>> Ike right >> but you're also my boss and yes there was friction had to have been
00:49:37
>> Was that fun? Um, did you have some, you know, blowups with, uh, Damen Lewis
00:49:42
playing Montgomery versus Eisenhower or scenes where you're arguing and yelling
00:49:47
and >> uh, we butt heads. I think when you can tell it's around the office, but the the
00:49:53
house that they were in um, kind of in a way they'd been locked there for weeks.
00:49:58
They weren't allowed to come and go >> for, you know, private secrecy reasons.
00:50:02
And um, you know, it must have been in one way like, you know, some really weird summer camp for them,
00:50:07
>> right? and and I insisted on sleeping out in a tent with the men and uh that
00:50:12
was also because they didn't want him in the building in case it got bombed, but
00:50:17
a target, you know. Um but yeah, there there there's, you know, that headbutting and who who's in charge here
00:50:23
and who's pulling rank uh is certainly an aspect of it. Montgomery was uh um
00:50:30
avidly anti anti-smoking and would you know at that time would it was kind of like astonishing as someone you would
00:50:38
ask someone to put their cigarette out. Right. >> Right. Yeah. Totally. >> It was ubiquitous and
00:50:42
>> um I think that I I would I would comply but you know that it was like an issue around the
00:50:52
office that day. >> For sure. the balls of someone telling you to put your cigarette out.
00:50:57
>> Yeah. Do you have a question? >> Of course I do. >> Because I like to ask.
00:51:01
>> There's um you know this movie, The Mummy, right? >> Sure. >> Now, did you
00:51:07
>> It's a wrap. >> Is there another movie? Uh >> is there maybe a Mummy 4?
00:51:12
>> Yes. >> More than maybe. Did we get a banger here? >> No. I think I heard that.
00:51:16
>> Has it been announced? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, really? Try not to smile.
00:51:22
>> You can smile. Did you Is that exciting to go back? >> Yes. >> You really That's great.
00:51:28
>> Yeah. >> Now we hear it. >> I'm looking forward to it. >> Well, I'm seeing a smile. I can't even
00:51:32
believe it. You're holding this. >> Don't you get Yahoo News? I mean, my
00:51:36
gosh. >> No, but I'm so happy everyone, you know. >> Me, too. >> And when was the last mommy that you
00:51:40
did? >> The last one. >> The Yeah. >> The third one was in in China. It was
00:51:45
the year that 2007. >> That year of the >> nine 2009 or eight, eight or nine.
00:51:51
>> Emperor or something like that. Yeah, >> NBC had the rights to broadcast the
00:51:56
Olympics and so they went, "Oh, I got it. Let's put the mummy in China." And
00:52:00
so, >> is Tom Cruz going to do a cameo in this mummy? >> Not to my knowledge.
00:52:05
>> Okay. >> Oh, did he do the mummy? >> Was he in a mummy or something? He did
00:52:10
one kind of >> correct? >> He did do a mummy. >> Yes, he did. >> Stay in your lane, Tom.
00:52:15
>> Jeez Louise. He flew in on a F-15 and attacked the mummy. Right. It was more
00:52:21
of an AC130 kind of looking thing. >> But uh >> I like Tom Cruz cuz he hangs off things.
00:52:27
He holds his breath for a half hour. I mean, you just got to go, I will watch this guy risking his life to entertain
00:52:33
me >> hold my breath. And how can I jump off plane? >> And is is he really running that fast?
00:52:38
That's amaz. But yeah, >> faster than me these days. >> He can run fast.
00:52:43
>> So the mummy I'm so excited about that, you know. >> Me, too.
00:52:47
>> I was going to ask you a question because I asked Chris Rock the other day. I thought it was interesting. Um,
00:52:52
mailbox money, which which thing that you've done, you know, checks, residuals, or whatever. Which thing that
00:52:58
you've done pays you the most? >> The most. >> Yeah. >> The least is more interesting, isn't it?
00:53:05
>> Well, that's not better. What's the tiniest? Who's the cheapest?
00:53:10
>> Oh, that's right. Rock likes to talk about what people earn and make.
00:53:14
>> I do, too. Yeah. He's very into. >> You gota >> He's got a yacht.
00:53:20
>> Oh, boat. >> I like boats. >> I like boats. He calls them are 500 feet
00:53:24
long. >> He's been on everyone's boat, by the way. Space whoever loves it. So, what's
00:53:29
your tiniest residual? >> My tiniest residual check. Um, I still I got one the other day from a film called
00:53:37
Glory Days that Ben Affleck uh was in. It was in the '9s. really young Ben. >> Yes. And I rode a bus in it for one day
00:53:49
morning and I talked to someone else. I will be honest and say I never saw that movie.
00:53:54
>> But I still get like, you know, a 13 cent check. >> 13 cents. >> Go to Residuals.
00:53:59
>> Yeah. >> You ever been to Residuals? >> Amen. It all adds up.
00:54:02
>> Bar, >> they're stapled up on the wall, right? >> If they're under a dollar, you get a
00:54:07
free drink. And they're all under a dollar. I mean, the ones I get from whatever. But Mummy, it's nice when you
00:54:13
just get one out of the blue. >> I get stuff from Just Shoot Me, probably that old sitcom.
00:54:18
>> Um, yeah, Mike talked to him a couple months ago. Yeah. Oh, we're we're doing
00:54:23
two more Shreks. That's awesome. >> Oh, Jesus. >> I just think this is a full circle
00:54:28
moment because when last time you're on, we talked about, >> you know, the peak stardom and then
00:54:34
injuries and all that, you know, dark side of the moon thing, then the whale. >> Yeah. and and and now this, you know, in
00:54:41
the other movie, these are kind of serious acting things. And now you're full circle
00:54:46
doing a mummy again and you look great. >> Thank you. >> Um, mummies are fun.
00:54:51
>> That's just kind of cool, right? >> I'm looking forward to this.
00:54:54
>> I mean, cuz I I You got beat up. Hollywood beat the [ __ ] out of you for a
00:54:58
while, you know, and I love >> I beat it back. Don't worry. >> No, but now it's now it's not only the
00:55:03
Oscar, it's also the tent pole billion dollar potential movie. And people have
00:55:09
been wanting another one for 20 what, five, four years I've been hearing it. I go to fan
00:55:16
conventions and I'm serious. People show up dressed in costume. >> Totally.
00:55:20
>> Like Evelyn Carneahan, Rachel Vice's character. There's Rick Oonnell's, you
00:55:24
know, than me. Yeah. >> That come through to get an autograph. I'm not kid. There are I've lost count
00:55:29
of the number of young women who uh >> I've met who have said, "I'm an Egyptologist. I
00:55:37
am an archaeologist. I am a historian. >> Um I have studied ancient languages
00:55:43
because they saw the mummy and it, you know, gave them so much >> dopamine when they were young and they
00:55:49
went and that's what that that that's what I want to do and they pursued it. I
00:55:52
mean it was a real >> real catalyst of u um springboard kind of >> and Rachel does a good job. I mean, so
00:56:00
you guys go back and forth and that has to work and it worked. And so what was the problem for 20 years? Did I miss
00:56:06
that part? What just the rights went somewhere else or what happened for the last 20 years about not doing?
00:56:12
>> Oh, um, >> going back to 2007, actually. >> Well, uh, I don't know if we break it
00:56:17
down. Um, the >> Well, they made three. Usually things are trilogies. >> Yeah. The third one, um,
00:56:23
>> it's it it's it's kind of it's sort of the problem child.
00:56:27
>> Oh. Um, okay. >> Which >> had >> the strange elements that the audience
00:56:34
were like, you know, you're giving me something that I I don't telling me it's
00:56:38
one thing and it's kind of >> you got away from what people like. >> I hate that. Oh, we can't do that. We
00:56:43
did it in the other movie. They want to see something new and then it's like
00:56:47
>> you can't reinvent the wheel. >> No, you want if you want to eat an Oreo,
00:56:50
you want that cookie sound that tastes like >> you want you want the band to get back
00:56:54
together, which is what we are going to do. >> And the band is back together. Yes,
00:56:57
we're getting the band back together. >> Full tilt. >> Look, everyone's been approached. I hope
00:57:02
they're available. >> Yeah, >> if I'm around, can you wrap me up and
00:57:05
just have me come at you like that as an actor? If I'm just in town, I don't need
00:57:09
to be seen. I mean, you know, JJ, >> but you got to make a movie that's fun.
00:57:14
You know, you got to make a movie that's fine. I mean, there's roller coasters of
00:57:17
The Mummy at Universal and here in Hollywood. That's right. >> And it's a roller coaster ride of a
00:57:22
movie, you know, and that's what people want. They want to get thrilled. They
00:57:25
want to have a little boo scare. They don't really want to feel terrified like
00:57:29
they didn't really just witness a homicide or something, you know, on screen. But,
00:57:33
>> right, they want to come back and do it again. >> This is because some of the younger
00:57:37
people who saw that movie then now they have kids that they know that kids will be blown away and grow up to be
00:57:43
archaeologists. >> But were you injured on one of those or what was the movie you got injured on?
00:57:47
>> Oh, maybe a lot. I got >> I'm just wondering about this one. Are
00:57:50
you going to be >> the first one? It got choked out on day three or four from
00:57:54
>> He doesn't get choked out a noose. >> That's crazy. Oh, that's right. You
00:57:58
>> I've talked about this to ad. But I mean, I'm only using as context for this
00:58:02
movie now. Are they going to choke you out again? Don't let him. >> That's not a bad idea. Actually, we
00:58:07
should quick. >> You need a good story. >> Let's looks like you. He's very
00:58:14
athletic. If you need a stunt double, just cut. Brendan, go to your trailer. Now, we'll hang this guy. I'll be the
00:58:21
first to say, "Bro, you're going to be great in this shot." >> You're gonna be great.
00:58:24
>> Well, are you gonna have to run through tunnels and are you gonna have to are
00:58:29
you going to really train for this or or you're just fine the way you are? >> You're looking at a work in pro you're
00:58:34
working at a work in progress right now. I'm doing my best. >> My first point when I saw you is that
00:58:38
you looked fit. >> Oh, thanks. I'm trying to get my gear together here and uh I got some time.
00:58:44
>> Um I'm >> How long have you got? Uh it's like 67 like 80 days or something like that.
00:58:52
>> 80 days. >> 89 days. >> Go around the world in that amount of
00:58:54
time. >> I know. >> Yeah. I tried to make that movie. That's another story.
00:58:58
>> I think it's nice that you go to do some because it's comedic. So, it's good that
00:59:02
I was going to say earlier, you're doing these comedies, you do these dramas all
00:59:07
the way to an Oscar and these these last two are, you know, I think it was Lighter on Rental Family
00:59:13
>> and then Pressure sound like a lot of pressure. >> Another slapper,
00:59:17
>> but just to go back to you're good at being light and funny and >> I think The Mummy has a lot of that.
00:59:23
>> Let's be hope I hopeful. Thanks. >> It has a tone. It's of what it does. The
00:59:28
Mummy, you know, it's not slapstick. It's funny, but it's also for kids of a
00:59:32
certain age. It's kind of cool. >> It's cool and it looks good. >> And it's nostalgia to
00:59:37
>> Yeah. >> a generation in its own right now, too. >> And then with with AI, could Mike and I
00:59:42
make another Wayne's World? >> Yes. >> Look, just take this out, this down
00:59:46
this. >> Why bother? We should have Wayne's World come and like meet uh
00:59:52
>> Wayne's World meets the Mummy. >> Like, you know, like >> Yeah.
00:59:56
Will you play the nemesis or if we do a Wayne's world? >> Wayne's world.
01:00:01
>> Yeah, I'd be glad to cross over. Yeah. >> Yeah. Crossover. >> You're the ghost of Dwight D.
01:00:05
Eisenhower. >> I said hairbrain. That was another movie I made that airheads is what I was
01:00:12
saying. >> With Adamu. >> Yeah. >> You brought him to show business.
01:00:19
>> You know, I think it's the other way around. Come on. >> I'm just so happy to hear about the
01:00:23
mummy. That's how I met Farley was doing >> I saw Airheads there. I saw Airheads at
01:00:28
and uh that 60th Street one over by Columbus Square that theater and we were doing SNL. It was fun.
01:00:34
>> Yeah. >> At the time though, people were like, "No, no, no. I don't get it." Cuz it was
01:00:39
too contemporary. It was like Now it's nostalgia. Now at the fan conventions,
01:00:44
people show up in Chaz Derby outfits. >> I sign a lot of >> Was Farley a security stuff?
01:00:50
>> Yes, he was. WHY YOU CAN'T go here? >> Hey, back it up. Uh, he was one in
01:00:57
Wayne's world, >> huh? >> He was one in Wayne's world. >> Yeah. Or two, I think.
01:01:02
>> He pulled the guy's nipple ring off in Airhead. >> Airheads did.
01:01:06
>> Yeah. >> Ah, how funny. >> He was I think was Chris too where I was
01:01:12
doing I was just talking casually and then occasionally I would girls would walk by. Swing. So anyway, I don't know.
01:01:19
We may go there on Saturday night. Swing. swing. I think sorry it was comedy back then.
01:01:25
>> Disgusting. Well, anyway, this feels like after talking to you last time, the
01:01:29
whale, it just has all this beautiful kind of thing. Now, now this it's blowing my mind. I had no idea.
01:01:37
>> Yeah. So, you got pressure and you got the mummy. And um >> do you feel pressure by doing the mummy?
01:01:43
>> Yes. Uh but I I I do normally under any circumstances, whatever. But is that
01:01:48
like putting on an old friend in a way when you get the gear on and there I am? >> You know, it's funny you say that
01:01:53
because I was at a fitting for a a western thing that I did a saga like I like eight nine years ago. It was about
01:02:03
the Texas Rangers. And at the fitting, someone pulled the boots from uh Deep Freeze at Universal that I wore in The
01:02:12
Mummy. Really? Brought them to the fitting. And uh >> the sign or >> No, no, they they were the boots, the
01:02:18
riding boots that the Rick Oonnell boots. So, from the Mummy. >> Oh. And then you put them on.
01:02:22
>> And I put them on. They still your your feet don't change, right? The rest of
01:02:25
you does. And I did get a real suddenly I could smell the camel spit and >> you know it was really it was it was
01:02:37
unique. Exactly. Exactly. >> You know where you're going to do it? >> Uh yeah in Tanger in North Africa.
01:02:43
>> Oh it's the nicest time of year >> and the UK. >> It's a coastal dry heat.
01:02:48
>> Okay. Good. Yeah, you know, it's it's the same uh and also locations that are
01:02:52
uh if not the then very similar ones from the first. >> Have you negotiated completely what
01:02:58
you're going to get for Mummy for >> I haven't signed anything yet. I got a
01:03:03
feeling about pressure and that's going to put pressure on the negotiating team
01:03:07
at Universal or is that where it's going? >> I think Pressure is going to do really
01:03:11
well. >> Let Hey, you know, let's let's be hopeful. It it's a film that does show
01:03:18
us what we need to remember about why the number of people who lived and died at that time
01:03:30
made the effort to stop fascism from becoming the scourge of the world. And it makes us compare ourselves today
01:03:42
to that time. And I will leave the audience to make their own summary judgment. But my hope, my hope is that
01:03:53
we will be reminded not just of the sacrifice, but of the reason why we were even
01:04:01
fighting that war in the first place. >> Well, that's heavy. And I also thought
01:04:07
you were going to fall back in the chair the whole podcast. And that was my pressure. I was worried because every
01:04:12
time he leans back. >> No, he's a natural. That was a stunning That was a bad fall. That was like Danny
01:04:18
Kay. >> That seriously, dude. This is >> This is Look at how easy it is for him
01:04:21
to fall back. And it's it's sort of inching up when he >> was one of my favorite bits in
01:04:26
auditions. I was running out of ideas. I would throw myself over. Oh, yeah. All the time. Oh [ __ ] Oh, he's so funny.
01:04:31
Bring it back. He was >> Did you do that? That's a great >> You think I got hired for Inino Man.
01:04:37
>> Oh, that's great. Oh, you just threw yourself off. >> I was wrestling with the plants in the
01:04:41
room. >> I was eating them. >> Yeah. Really? You went and went crazy.
01:04:46
>> There were no lines. I was a >> I was a weird theater kid from Seattle.
01:04:51
Of course. >> Yeah. >> How funny. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, you got anything? Thank
01:04:57
you for coming. That was very nice of you. >> Dana's going to look at this May 29th
01:05:01
toilet paper. >> May 29th. I always like to get that out there. I don't know. May 29th. May 29th.
01:05:06
So, it's in like Yeah. I don't know when this airs. 2028, I think, early.
01:05:11
>> Theaters, >> right? >> Yes. Theaters. Remember theaters, everyone?
01:05:15
>> Theaters. Big. >> See it in a theater. >> Fun to go see. >> Uh, it's it's it's it's a cinematic
01:05:22
experience. It's, you know, it's it's British film making >> in the sense that this is what they do.
01:05:28
The detail. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's extraordinary. Yes. >> You shall see it in the theaters.
01:05:35
>> We'll see it in the lounges. Good idea. >> We'll see it in the cinniplexes. I don't
01:05:39
know if I'm JFK or No, Winston Church. I was doing JFK. Uh anyway, uh thanks for
01:05:45
coming. >> I could chat with you guys all afternoon. I'm so grateful for your
01:05:48
time. >> Appreciate it. He came out. >> We love having you. I saw your name on
01:05:51
the dock. I go, "Of course, this is fantastic." >> Course I remember how much fun and
01:05:55
interesting it was the first time we chatted with you. So, >> all right. So, let's never do this
01:05:59
again. >> Let's never do it again. >> Let's do it after the mummy five.
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