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I kind of did the whole app routine and >> whatever. Not for very long. >> And all that type of stuff,
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>> you know, a little bit. >> Huh? >> Wordle. >> Oh, I did that.
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>> Did Dennis ever ask you out? >> I don't recall him asking me out. I do
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recall there being some discussion about making like a clay imprint of my ass, [music] like for an ashtray or a bowl or
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something. So I he backs away and he looks at me and he goes, "Terry, you have a totally average vagina."
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>> So we have Terry Hatcher in studio. >> Mhm. >> Very lovely. Um
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>> yeah, >> obviously we know her from a lot of things and uh she also happened to host
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us. Now when I was there, >> it was my last year. I think it was we did a little Spade in America bit where
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we dressed as each other and did a bit as each other and it was pretty funny and she was very game for it. She was a
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lot of fun. She was doing I think uh Lois and Clark at the time. I think it was or maybe Desperate Housewives.
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Anyway, definitely had a crush on her. She's so sweet. She's so nice. She's a
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very good person and uh she came in here and was a was a lot of fun. Yeah, I I got to know her on the podcast. She's uh
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extremely bright, uh very self- aacing. Um and her whole story around Desert Housewives is interesting.
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>> And how she has a new podcast with the woman who played her daughter on
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Desperate Housewives and her actual daughter. >> Yeah, that's right. >> It's it's kind of like Office Ladies but
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for Desperate Housewives. >> Yeah, they watch. It's a rewatch show and uh she's just a lot of fun and I
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think you're going to have a good time with her and it's in studio which is
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always a good time. So here she is >> right in that room with us. Magic >> right there.
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>> Electricity >> Terry Hatcher. Terry Hatcher. >> Hi guys. >> That's Terry. She's known for being very
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nice. >> You look incredible. >> Well, thank you so much. >> Pilates.
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>> Uh no, you know, I do this um like slow resistance weightlifting. smart
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>> where you like get to 2 minutes and then you burn out and it's supposed to be
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good for your bone density when you're old like me. >> Me too. >> So that's what I [clears throat] do.
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You're a child. >> Yeah. What's the latest with your bone density?
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>> It's It's do it's it's hanging in there. >> It's coming along.
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>> You had a test? >> I did have a test. >> Did you really? >> No, I did have a Well, you should have a
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test at my age. >> How do you know you could do that? >> I I had a test and it wasn't that it was
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bad, but it was like it was preventative. >> No, it's great. This is This is the way
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I try to help myself now with this kind of stuff. >> Yes. The old paradigm was to try to lift
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heavy weights and make it easy. The new paradigm is to lift lighter weights and make it hard, which usually means going
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very slow, staying in the work phase. You know, >> it's it's I think the point that is
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what's good for your bones is the that max out, that point at the minute 45 where you're shaking and then they make
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you like hold that for 15 seconds and that's the part that's good. >> Oh, okay. [laughter] I'll see your fat
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and I'll raise your >> shakiness. I'll raise you doing hill repeats.
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>> Okay. >> Up a very very steep. >> I also do sprint sets on the treadmill.
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>> Jeez Louise. I just a note for just stop the recording. Terry's got me beating
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the fish. But uh I'll listen to her podcast before I get information. >> Terry's podcast.
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>> It's not called Terry's podcast. It's not called Terry's podcast. This is a
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wine. This is how not to do a podcast. You can learn from us. Do you guys know this is my first real podcast? I did
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Brett Goldstein's um the the films to be buried with. >> I did that over co because we had met a
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few years ago and everyone was in their house during co and he started that one and so he texted me and said, "Would you
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be a guest?" >> I want to go on that. >> And that's the only one I've ever done.
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So I'm kind of honored and a little bit scared and I love you guys and so thank
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you for having me. I >> I think it's really [ __ ] great. I'm just going to do Brett Go the whole
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time. You're smiling too much. You're already smiling too much. >> It's always good when the host is not
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smiling. He [laughter] was on our and we talked about that. I'd like to do that
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one. I I love movies. Do you like movies? >> I do love movies. Yeah, I do love
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movies. I think I mentioned with him I feel like I I feel like um Tootsie always comes up for me. Um, I feel like
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when I was >> figuring out almost by osmosis what comedic timing was about, I feel like
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Terry Gar just like her rhythm of everything in that movie. >> I I mean it just I can I can repeat it
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like tragic. Her her whole story was so rough in that movie. >> Yeah. She kept getting ghosted.
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>> Chuck Durn. >> Chuck Die. Charles Durning as the gilded lover. And the look of the How'd you do
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it? You know who had a crush on Twixie. I know. I know. >> And Dustin Hoffman. He knows.
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>> It's so good. >> It's it and it glows. I don't know. I
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just I don't have a >> The movie you mean? Or the >> It's just the c the cinematography. And
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also Sydney Pollock as the agent. >> Oh my god. >> Is so great. And who directed it who did
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direct a lot of Robert Redford movies. God bless. There you go. God rest his soul. Yeah. No. Every line in there, I'm
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a tomato and a tomato can't sit down. That's why, you know, like I just >> And the [laughter] commitment to that
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>> because I had to be a TOMATO BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR WOULDN'T LET ME NOT BE A
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TOMATO. >> EXACTLY. [laughter] SORRY. I had to It's It brings it out in me too. I
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understand. >> Anyway, that's a good >> But Terry Gar also young Frankenstein.
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Was she young Frankenstein? >> That's another one. Yes, she was. >> Gosh, she was my knockers. Something
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about her knockers. >> Thank you, doctor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> She was something else.
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>> [ __ ] >> Good lord. So, you have a podcast >> and have you done it yet? Have you taped
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them yet? >> We have. So, we're we're taping on Mondays. We're actually trying to do two
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every Monday. We're we're a little bit under a time gun because Andrea Bowen,
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one of my co-hosts, who played my daughter in Desperate Housewives, is pregnant.
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>> So, we're we're up against her maternity leave. >> And so, we're trying to get
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>> maternity leave. Is that something people do? [laughter] >> Yes, it is.
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>> Why? They always do that. A lady needs a time off. Yes, you do to pay attention.
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Listen, it's all Andrea's fault. She came to me and so the podcast is called
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Desperately Devoted. >> Desperately Devoted. And your two co-stars are >> Andre Bowen, who is my television
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daughter, and Emerson Tenny, who's my real life daughter. >> And the thing that I thought was fun
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about that, because Andrea said, "Would you ever want to do this Desperate Housewives rewatch?" And I was sort of
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like, I you know, I don't know. But I but what I thought was interesting and
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what I like about podcasts, like you guys, for example, I just like friends talking, you know, and when I'm I'm I
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I'm doing my dishes, I've got my headphones on, I'm cleaning my house,
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whatever. >> Um, it's enough with the news and enough with the self-help and, you know, I
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listen to those too, >> but I really like the just the community and just the talking.
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>> It's almost like having dinner. It's almost like that's cuz Dane and I will
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obviously talk over you the whole time, but >> it's like dinner. So, you just talk
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about whatever >> became really good. We tend to jump in. Sorry. Ruin it. Stop the moment talking
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about it. Okay. >> But it's hard. It's like that when you're all together for dinner and you
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just [ __ ] around. So, nothing too important, but >> we do want to talk about the podcast
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because it is sort of an exciting new thing for you. And >> you have a good voice. That's part of
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it. You can talk. >> Thank you. I can talk. >> That's good. >> I mean, you like to talk.
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>> Not everybody can. you like I listened to I think it was the pilot that did it.
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Yeah. >> It's got a lot of chemistry. >> Thank you. Yeah, I think we do. So, so
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the elements of of Beyond the Desperate Housewives of it, which there is a big fan base for it and it is kind of fun
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actually. I haven't seen the show in 20 years and was genuinely surprised and
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pleased almost like watching something that I wasn't in like wow that's a great
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show. that show >> and and >> and so that's fun, but we're really
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using it as a springboard to kind of talk about life. And I felt like, you know, my daughter is 27, she's a
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screenwriter, she's gay, she has a wonderful girlfriend that she lives with.
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>> Andrea is 35, she's newly married, she's about to have a baby, and I'm 60 and
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pathetically single. And it just felt like we covered everything. >> Pathetically. Well, I'm actually
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starting a podcast called Pathetically Single. >> Okay. You ripped off my That was my next
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I wasn't going to host. >> We could co-o Oh, I could not married. >> Oh, so you could sing to you
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pathetically single that you could do a spin-off, you know, and then >> I love it. I love it. You got to start
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somewhere. >> How could you be single? >> Well, I never leave my house
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>> and uh by choice. You don't >> I'm sure you get marriage proposals
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weekly. >> Nothing. I don't date. You know, I did maybe up I maybe up to like five years
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ago, I kind of did the whole app routine and >> whatever. Not for very long.
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>> And all that type of stuff, >> you know, a little bit. >> Huh?
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>> Wordle. >> Oh, I still >> meet your mate. I'm Wle. >> I still do Whle. [laughter]
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>> I do still do Wordle. I do Wordle. I do the spelling V. I get so proud when I'm
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a genius. That's like when they tell you. >> Text me when you get a good one and I'll
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I'll say good job. >> Oh, okay. Okay. You come from a high pedigree. Your dad was a wasn't he
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atomic physicist. >> Smart family. >> He was a physicist, an electrical
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engineer. He was vice president of AMD when he retired. And my mom worked for Loheed for like 25 years. They were both
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super smart people. And >> I was a math major in college until I dropped out
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>> because my parents wouldn't pay for me to study anything else. >> And I got this crazy opportunity to be
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on the Love Boat. I mean, it's it's a weird origin story. >> The Love Boat. I love the mathematician
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to Gavin Mloud. >> Yeah. >> To Isaac. What happened with you and Isaac?
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>> Nothing happened. >> Oh, I think something happened. >> No, nothing happened.
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>> Isaac got around. >> Isaac was the ship's bartender. >> I did I think it was 26 or
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>> Shut up. Oh, you're on that much? >> Yeah. Well, it was the entire last year
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of the show. >> Were you the Julie McCoy? No, but Julie, the the way I got an agent like Oh my
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god, I can't believe I'm telling you guys this story. >> Great. Please, I'm gonna
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>> Okay, so I was in college. I tried to make it so fast because I don't want to
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bore you to death. >> No, I'm serious show. Like, did someone's Did you You're a nerd, a
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mathematician in college. Did someone say, "Hey, Terry, take those glasses off." And like,
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>> not so bad. >> With a British accent with a bad British accent. That's how they did.
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>> You want to be in television [laughter] or movies? you know, was it kind of you
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were sort of a nerd and all of a sudden you're a beauty queen? >> Okay, so I was a nerd and am a nerd. I
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wear the nerd uh badge. I love I love puzzles. I mean, I'm I'm still a nerd.
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I'm totally a nerd. Um which is maybe why I don't date because I'm too shy.
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Anyway, um >> this we have some dating. So, I'm in college and this there the Loveboat did
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this nationwide press thing where they did this for for dancers, dancers and singers. Okay? And they were called the
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mermaids. >> And so in San Francisco, they did it in Chicago, in New York, in Dallas, and
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wherever. >> And um I don't know 5,000 people showed up in San Francisco like a cattle call
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for and this girlfriend wanted to do it, but she didn't want to go by herself, so
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she said classic. >> Yes. Right. So I ended up tagg along. >> Do not bring your prettier girlfriend.
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That That's a >> There's your lesson number one. So, I uh won that. And then what they did with
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all these individual >> You won casually in front of your just for [laughter] a second. Just for a
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second. She brings you along. Gee, I'll tag along. You've got, you know,
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orthodontia work and stuff. So, did you sing and dance or what did you do? >> We didn't sing at that point. We just
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danced. Um so, it was like a like a chorus line kind of a thing, you know, where you get eliminated
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>> solo and and one or how did you >> Could you dance? You I do I grew up
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dancing. Yeah. No, I was I I we we had to do a jazz combination and tap lesson >> and I could just do that cuz I grew up
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No, no, no. Cuz I Yeah, I just grew up dancing. I was I >> like in your room
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>> like professional. No, no, like I mean not like paid, but I went to dance class
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to a studio my whole upbringing. >> And your friend brought you anyway. >> Well, she did too, you know. So, and
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yeah. So, and and there was a lot of great people there. I mean, for sure. And it's that weird thing where you get
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a number and they teach you a combination and 30 of you do it and you leave and you leave and you stay and
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then you do it again and at the end of the day there's five of you left. >> Yeah.
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>> And then they pick a winner and that was me. And um and so they flew all of these
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different winners to Los Angeles where we had to do the whole thing again against like real people who already
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lived in LA and were already working on television and whatever. >> This was from the nationwide.
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>> Yes. to me, you know, I I think I'm I might be wrong. Maybe I'd never been on
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a plane by myself. I definitely had never been given pdeium or stayed in a nice hotel by myself. They put us up.
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This is in like 1985. They put us up at the Bonaventure Hotel downtown and we had a pdeium and I didn't and so I of
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course ordered like a banana split and like a hamburger and like all the I never had room service. I didn't grow up
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like that at all. I mean, these were this is what I remember. I remember that I ordered a hot fudge Sunday, which
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seems insane that the next day I had to go perform and be sexy, and that's what
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I was doing, but whatever. >> Um, >> wait, how old again? >> I guess, well, was 85, so that would
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have made me 20. >> Okay. >> So, that's old enough to fly alone.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, and but I mean, I just didn't grow up in a family where that was a thing. I
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didn't fly an airplane until I was 25. A lot of people don't fly. >> Yeah. Um, I mean, maybe I went to New
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That's fo wg ns.co. >> I got this job. I then they picked eight of us to be the quote unquote mermaids,
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which were basically glorified extras on the Love Boat. We we dealt the cards in
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the in the in the casino. We passed out towels on the Leo deck, >> you know,
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>> all this [ __ ] for that. >> And we did a dance number every week and
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we sang. >> Mhm. >> So, probably nine episodes in was Thanksgiving and the girl who played
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Julie McCoy came back and remember she had been ousted from like a co Yeah. from a coke addiction or something that
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is >> and so she had been fired I guess or lost her job and then so they had her
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back >> and that episode they decided to give my character like a story arc like a love
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line. >> It's a big episode. >> It was it was >> Did your character have a name when you
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were mermaid? >> Well they not until this episode and then they gave me a name Amy. Amy.
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>> Oh my god. >> It's really I mean I talk in the highest voice and she was the biggest ditzy
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>> like airhead funloving. >> So you did a real character. >> Yeah, I did a character.
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>> You were supposed to do that. >> I I did I what? I mean they were saying
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oh yes. No they said do that was what they wrote. >> Are you doing like Victoria Jackson like
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falsetto almost or >> It was pretty hard. >> That's how Victoria it was. [laughter]
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It was pretty you know it was like hi I'm Amy and I did this and I did this and I did this and then you know it was
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like that. Gotcha. Um uh but it was definitely comedic >> for whatever that was on the love boat.
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And so an agent saw that >> and called the producers and was like who's she? I mean and and that was how I
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first got an agent. And then when that was very strange this would not happen to anyone anymore, I don't think.
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>> So our torturous eight years in the clubs was what I mean >> I mean you know it's funny in these
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days. So I moved into a really, you know, below average apartment building in North Hollywood
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>> and next to me on the third floor like walk up and next to me was an apartment
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of two young guys who were comedians who had just moved from Nebraska. One of them was um Joel Madison and one
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of them was Pat Hazel and they knew Jeff Cesario and Dennis Miller and like like
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and so I like met some of these people like back in the a it was crazy times >> before they were famous or Dennis.
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>> Yeah. I mean yeah they were like on the edge I think Jeff and Dennis were kind
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of on the edge of almost being >> Yeah. That was Yeah. >> Yeah. Um crazy. And I rem I remember
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hanging out with them and they they would play jokes on me and um I remember one of them early on saying something
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like you can hang out with because you get the jokes and that I felt like that was
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>> a compliment, >> a very big compliment. Um and I because I I have I'm I'm obsessed. Every time I
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go to New York, I go to the comedy seller. Like, I'm I'm just obsessed with
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what you guys do, like with admiration and and you know, I'm just obsessed. >> Really? Did Dennis ever ask you out or?
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>> I don't recall him asking me out. I do recall there being some discussion about
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making like a clay imprint of my ass like for an ashtray or a bowl or something. And I don't know if this was
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a You really didn't comedian. You didn't think this story was coming. I'm pretty
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sure you did not think this story was coming. It's in your notes. Ceramic ass.
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Um >> I might have gone on a date with Jeff maybe. >> Okay. >> Um
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>> you know, my my whole crazy [ __ ] uh young life is a little bit of a blur to
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me. I'm just thankful I I came out of it without any uh >> major longl lasting issues.
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>> Really? Well, we we'll [laughter] be the judge of that. >> Okay.
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>> I don't Your 20s are your 20s. They're just a unique. >> Yeah.
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>> You know, so this So, were you lonely at that point or were you sort of out of
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your element or just super excited? You're suddenly in North Hollywood. You you're on Love Boat. You're you're on
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television. >> I don't think I was lonely. Although I do kind of feel like it took me, you
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know, I was that kind of I mean I'm definitely an overachiever like 150% like bar is very high. I'm super hard on
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myself. And so I was the kind of person who I was on the Love Boat. I also got a
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job on the the shortlived soap opera Capital at the time. And then I was also a waitress at like an Italian restaurant
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on Ventura Boulevard. Um it might have been I don't think it was Maria's
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Italian Kitchen. might it was something like Maria's. I don't think it was
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Maria's, but >> I remember at one point being in TV Guide and having like the bartender or
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another waitress be like, >> "You should probably quit this job."
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Like the the job as the waitress. >> They're seeing your picture. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and
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but you know, so when you say I don't think I was lonely, but I definitely >> It's weird.
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>> There's a lot of growing pains and I didn't you know, I didn't know I'm I'm
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the least Hollywood >> family. I'm the least Hollywood person. And I don't know anything. I'm sure that
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I did so much wrong. >> And you came out from where? >> From Northern California. From
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Sunnyville. >> Okay. So, it's >> Sunnyale, which is 15 minutes where I
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grew up. San Carlos. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We're in Northern California.
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>> Used to play Rooster Te Feather. Rooster, it was the country store, something like that before, but Rooster
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Te Feathers is still there. I was playing that in the early 80s. >> I was just talking to um Ron Funches is
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a little bit of a friend of mine. >> Yeah. Right. >> And um I was at a barbecue at his house
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not that long ago and he had >> a girlfriend comedian and I'm not going
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to remember her name, but she was like my age and she was saying that she was just going there rooster
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>> to play. So yeah, I mean it is funny how it's all >> Terry. You didn't know I had a rooster
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tea feather story, but I do. >> Okay. So >> I've got one I've got one too. You go
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first. >> Mine's not that exciting. >> It's a What is it for for the audience
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at For the audience at home? It was uh about 150 seat club. >> That's another thing I want to talk to
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you about. You know, I've been to Kenny Bunkport and I was friends with him.
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>> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Come on down. [laughter] Let's get some speed in that area.
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>> Let's get those ass imprints going. [laughter] >> Ceramic imprinted. I never got a copy.
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Left and right coming together in a beautiful ceramic dish. Polka dots on top, red on the bottom. So, we can we
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can edit this. I kind of wish it existed. You know, that is the thing about it. Could be good merch. It's
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Yeah. Right. And you see at the time it seems like, oh, we've gone we've gone a
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step too far, but like 40 years later, you're like, "God, I wish I had my ass
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on a in a pole." [laughter] >> Well, back to my tent pole story about
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Mr. Chief Feather story. >> It's a real uh >> I really do. >> So, I So, I go there and this is my
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struggling. I was thinking about your days of like when I came from Arizona. I was in North Hollywood, too. who was in
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Kanga Moore Park, lived with an actress, lived in the back room and uh got to see
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sort of her life. But it it's lonely. It's just weird not to be in Arizona
00:22:44
anymore. And like everyone's like like if you had a picture TV ad a it doesn't
00:22:48
mean you're making any money or you have steady money. So I'd be like what would
00:22:52
I quit for? This is actual money versus that >> and they don't realize that. They're
00:22:56
like you're a star. And then I and one of these gigs I go to eat Rooster Te's.
00:23:00
Let's say I'm making 600 bucks for the week. And uh and after the first show, I
00:23:07
just literally walk all the way like a mile to the club, then I walk back to the condo or whatever hotel. So I need
00:23:13
some money for food. So just for lunch. So I walk all the way to the club when they're there and I go, I need to take a
00:23:18
draw and uh against my I just need some money like 200 bucks for food this week.
00:23:25
And he goes, "Well, you did one show and you haven't quite made 200, so we can
00:23:30
give you $83." And I said, "Do you think I'm going to make a run for it?" Like,
00:23:35
>> I'm here for the week. >> I bought it for an $83, especially in
00:23:39
the 80s. >> In83. Yeah. [laughter] >> So, I ran to Sizzler. But I didn't
00:23:44
>> Sizzler. Oh my god. >> Sizzler. I spent my 30th birthday at Sizzler.
00:23:48
>> Sizzler, you know? I I mean, this is the thing. Those kinds of things, like I
00:23:51
didn't grow up really with money. So, like going to Ferals for your birthdays.
00:23:56
Going to Ferals and getting like the zoo with the little plastic animals in it >> or going to Sizzler and getting um a
00:24:04
steak and the the shrimp the the like um fried [clears throat] shrimp >> or like the velvet turtle. Do you
00:24:11
remember the velvet turtle? >> I remember the velvet turtle. >> The velvet turtle was like a topless
00:24:14
club. >> Oh, okay. No, it was like a place where you could get lamb lamb rack of lamb
00:24:19
with like the little chef's hat on the on the bone and and that was like a once
00:24:23
a year thing. >> Is that nice though? The velvet turtle. >> It was that was like a once a year
00:24:27
thing. I mean to me >> in Arizona there was a Yeah, that's it was nice one there.
00:24:31
>> Yeah. >> But again, if you have I think if you have good memories I have good memories
00:24:36
of going to Chili. All these places Sizzler. So if you even get a few beans in your jeans when you're older, you go
00:24:42
that doesn't mean I don't like going there. I always liked it. So it's like
00:24:45
stuck in my head that I like it. >> Yeah. >> So I don't like ever skip all that and
00:24:49
go I don't do that anymore. >> You still go >> to those kinds of places?
00:24:53
>> Well, this is a trick question. I thought we were agreeing that we like
00:24:57
basic food. >> No, no. The only reason I wouldn't go is because I think my health awareness of
00:25:03
like what I'm actually trying to eat to not have like or whatever like that kind of nonsense I
00:25:10
I probably keeps me from going to those places. I think what's interesting, >> but not because they weren't fun. All
00:25:15
right. I mean, those chili fries, >> it's hard to get good. >> The chili fries with the little salty
00:25:20
whatever >> everything's driving long distance and I'm tired. That's the only time. And
00:25:27
>> McDonald's hamburger, small fries, and a Coke cuz then all that sugar and salt
00:25:31
just >> helps me drive. >> So, I'm Diet Coke and Cheetos >> on a on a on a long distance.
00:25:38
>> Cheetos. >> Yeah, Cheetos and a Diet Coke. >> Yeah, that's that's the same kind of
00:25:41
thing. We're all three diet coke. Carbohydrates. [laughter] >> Diet Coke for me is like Coke. I mean, I
00:25:47
never did Coke, so I don't really know. But to me, >> that's I whenever I'm at a like if I'm
00:25:53
shooting something or I'm at some event or I just feel like, oh my god, I'm
00:25:57
hitting the wall. Like this is not >> People know this. They know like Diet
00:26:01
Coke stat. I need it. >> Wakes you up or what? >> Yeah. Yeah. It just I don't know if it's
00:26:05
the bubbles or the caffeine or whatever it is. >> You and uh Trump just he has a button.
00:26:10
Okay, I'm going to stop. [laughter] >> You're exactly right. >> I didn't know that. That's enough to
00:26:15
make me never have >> his desk that he hits. Right. >> Diet Coke. >> Yeah, it's a button that bring me a Diet
00:26:21
Coke. I love Diet Coke. I can drink it any Diet Coke. As you do it, I do him grally. But um the
00:26:30
>> No, you've ruined it for me. >> No, no, [laughter] not at all. But but I
00:26:33
only drink Coca-Cola. I drink the real stuff >> before or I have it on stage when I do
00:26:38
stand up >> because that's You don't want a cup of coffee, but that's that energy thing.
00:26:43
Just a sip of Coke. >> Yeah. >> And you know, a lot of places don't have
00:26:46
it. You might notice >> regular Coke. >> If you travel, there's full casinos, airlines, they
00:26:52
just go, "We're a Pepsi corporation." >> And I know this about I mean, I have
00:26:56
listened to you talk enough to know that you have a real issue with diabet. Yeah.
00:27:02
I start trouble. I fight back. >> Yeah. No, you should. >> But sometimes I bring them
00:27:06
>> Pepsi. Uh, the people who were running Coca-Cola, this [laughter] this part,
00:27:12
>> they decided at one point, the greatest brand in the last hundred years,
00:27:17
CocaCola, you know, GI's World War II, >> we're going to make new Coke. The reason
00:27:21
is they did taste tests and PE Pepsi was sweeter than Coke, which I didn't like.
00:27:27
>> So when people were just testing it, just taking sips, they go, "We like this
00:27:31
better." A full can, they wouldn't. So some idiot at >> Coca-Cola decided to make new Coke
00:27:37
tasted too sweet. >> Then they bring out they brought it back. But that's just a little history
00:27:43
lesson. In the middle of our guest today is Terry. >> I love brands. So I'm excited to hear.
00:27:48
>> I'm excited too. I was going to ask you and David a question. Okay. the the
00:27:53
emotional when you're in your 20s and you're doing stuff and you don't know if you're going
00:27:59
to get a break, but you're obviously in a game where people you know are getting
00:28:02
on TV or films and doing stuff and you go through a period where it's not really happening and you have I bombed I
00:28:09
tried for SNL I followed Sam Canson at the comedy store bomb you know >> so how did you deal with that David or
00:28:17
Terry >> you want to go >> the emotional violence of going in this thing and just It may just never happen
00:28:23
for me. >> Like I want it. Yeah. We'd like to hear from Terry. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I seem to recall there being
00:28:30
a moment where I felt like I should pack up my 1980 Ford Probe with the hand rolling windows and the no air
00:28:39
conditioning and go back to Sunnyale and go to back to college. Like I feel like
00:28:44
and that was after the Loveboat. probably after I had a little stint on MacGyver and I did like maybe I did a
00:28:50
pilot or or something. But yeah, there's these big stints where you feel like
00:28:55
>> it too ch too much chunks off. >> Yeah, too much chunks off. And what are
00:28:58
you doing with yourself? And I think when you're young, like I really always
00:29:02
thought I would go back to college. I really thought I would be a math teacher in high school. I had this grand idea
00:29:08
that there were no women teachers for young girls and no role models in the sort of science lane and I was going to
00:29:15
go be that and that was going to be noble to me and I >> I really thought that was what I was
00:29:20
going to do and then I got Lois and Clark and it wasn't until Lois and Clark
00:29:24
that I and it was even my parents first time kind of on board like oh this is your career like oh this is what you're
00:29:34
going to be doing this is what you're going to be doing And so yeah, and then
00:29:37
but there's always I mean I you know I'm not working a ton in the last few years
00:29:44
and that's not really my choice. I mean I've been developing some stuff with
00:29:49
some pretty cool people but I know you guys know that that's >> it's hard to get things across the
00:29:54
finish line. And I think, >> you know, I always had somebody somebody told me a long time ago like you're only
00:30:00
really out of this business when you quit, you know, like I mean, and you can see actors that like are now winning
00:30:06
Emmys that literally didn't have jobs for >> years, >> five years, you know, or and
00:30:11
>> absolutely >> and and so and I tell my daughter this although she's a writer, not a
00:30:15
performer, and it is a little bit I think there's a little more power behind
00:30:18
you can just keep doing you can keep writing scripts. But um I would tell young actors that the thing they don't
00:30:26
teach you with all your accents and all your drama and all your comedy is they don't teach you what to do with yourself
00:30:32
when you don't have a job >> and and that is where people get into trouble.
00:30:36
>> It gets me it's a mental game. Yeah. It's very tough when it goes down. And
00:30:41
we were just talking to uh to Dwight, you know, Dwight from the office, Rain, and he said, "Uh, yeah, it's like being
00:30:47
at a readthrough and you're not in the episode." And even just that week,
00:30:52
you're like, "hm, so I'm watching everyone else. What do I do?" And it's
00:30:55
kind of nice for a while, but maybe you had on Desperate Housewives when you you
00:30:59
were light in a show or you were written kind of light for a couple episodes in a
00:31:02
row and you start to kind of freak out like, "Wait, am I not where am I in the
00:31:06
pecking order? Don't I thought they kind of favored me?" It makes you crazy. I
00:31:09
think the main thing is to because I met a lot of bitter people when I was first
00:31:13
coming up. >> Really bitter. >> All kinds of bitter. Well, Mickey Rooney
00:31:16
was the most bitter man. [laughter] >> I was the number one star in the world.
00:31:21
You hear me? Bang. >> The world. So, wow. >> I thought, okay, this whole game of
00:31:27
being in show business, you know, it doesn't care about you. It's not personal. It's not trying to punish you
00:31:34
and really stay away from victimhood and bitterness because then you can't be
00:31:38
successful. >> So we always had standup as a baseline to go back, you know. So when you had
00:31:44
those years, I want to know the years between how long was it after Loveboat and then you were kind of doing stuff
00:31:51
but not landing to Lois and Clark. So I'm, you know, I'm estimating, I mean,
00:31:56
if that had been, let's say that was 85, 86, I didn't get Lois and Clark until
00:32:01
94. Okay? >> But before that, I did that what turned out to be a very famous episode of
00:32:06
Seinfeld. That was probably in 93. Okay? >> Right. And and I remember Jason
00:32:11
Alexander saying to me, "Good things are going to happen to you. Good thing, you
00:32:15
know, people do this show and then they go get other things." I remember him
00:32:18
saying that to me. Super sweet. >> What was my episode? You really? >> I swear to God, I don't know.
00:32:24
>> Okay. Well, good. I'm glad that I'm glad somebody doesn't know. Um because it's
00:32:29
probably going to be on my tombstone, so that's why I'm just a little bit
00:32:32
surprised. >> No, I had this episode where um the whole episode was Jerry was dating me
00:32:38
and he and he didn't know if my breasts were real or fake. >> And so Julia's character falls on he
00:32:46
they think they're fake. He thinks they're fake. So he breaks up with me.
00:32:49
And then she is at the gym with me and she falls on me in the sauna and realizes they're real. So then he tries
00:32:55
to win me back, but he's already broken up with me because he thought they were
00:32:58
fake. >> And so I find out that he's done all this. And so I have this exit line where
00:33:03
I find out and I'm mad that he put me through this. >> And I'm like, I'm not going to date you
00:33:07
anymore. You're a horrible person. And so I leave and I slam the door and then
00:33:11
I stick my head back in and I go, and by the way, they're real and they're
00:33:15
spectacular. And I and that and that sort of became like this thing. >> Yes. They're real and they're
00:33:22
spectacular. >> That might look good on a tombstone. >> Yeah, that's pretty good.
00:33:25
>> She was real and spectacular. There you go. >> Um I guess I can't
00:33:31
Alexander saying that to you. >> But that's great. So that actually on a
00:33:34
hit show doing that. Go ahead. >> So that that had happened. I had done the movie The Big Picture with
00:33:41
uh Christopher Guest. >> That was my first movie. >> I remember you in that too. Thank you.
00:33:46
So you're getting jobs. >> Yeah. I had done Tango and Cash. I had done so far alone.
00:33:52
>> Yeah. Uh with Stallone and Russell. Yeah. >> Uh I played Stallone's sister. I mean I
00:33:59
hardly remember it. >> You had some hair in that one, didn't you? >> Yeah. And do you know what's crazy? This
00:34:03
is all of this hair. I all if you go back and you look at the Love Boat and you look at Tango and Cash and um Soap
00:34:09
Dish, I mean freaking gigantic 80s, early 90s hair, it was all my hair because we just backcombed the crap out
00:34:19
of it. It was before anybody was using all these clipins. Now you can't go anywhere without clip-ins. Like it's
00:34:24
it's >> you were killing it in the hair department. >> It's very funny.
00:34:28
>> Well, what about Soap Dish? Another [ __ ] monster hit. These So these are
00:34:31
not like nothing but these are huge. >> No, I know. Fort Fairland I love because
00:34:34
I think when Dice hosted >> Oh, I wasn't in Fort Fairline. I did a movie with him called Brain Smasher.
00:34:39
>> Oh, [laughter] >> what? I think Ford Fairland. >> Well, because he that was that era.
00:34:45
Okay, >> that's he was doing and I did do at least >> it was Dice. I was close.
00:34:48
>> Yeah. Yeah, you were. >> Yeah, that's [ __ ] Brain Blaster. What?
00:34:52
>> Brain Smasher. I don't even remember honestly. I don't know. I just know he
00:34:55
was in it and it we shot it in Oregon and I don't and it was like an all night
00:34:58
shoot of a movie, you know, just for six weeks. you're completely going to >> [ __ ] you. They don't tell you that in
00:35:03
class either. [laughter] >> How bad night shoots are. >> That's true. No. So, I had a lot of
00:35:09
>> And there were things that I had near misses on like I near near missed on a
00:35:14
movie that Sandra Bulock ended up doing and I near missed on a on a movie on a thing that Helen Hunt did. And I like it
00:35:19
is >> and I think what I also love about aging is that you know you there's just no
00:35:27
room to get caught up in regret. Like life has offered you what it has offered you and
00:35:33
>> you did your best with the tools that you had at the time that you had them.
00:35:36
Absolutely. >> And it doesn't mean you can't evolve and become a better person or make more of
00:35:41
your life than you anticipated. It just means you can't go back. And so there's
00:35:46
no reason to keep keep harping on it and keep >> um you know dwelling in it.
00:35:52
>> Sometimes I have regrets about choice. >> People do it. Yeah, we all do. I do it.
00:35:56
But I I do think that, you know, it's good to just stay in the moment and >> and you know, those near misses. I that
00:36:04
that's a pretty common story before people get get the one. But nothing beats
00:36:08
>> around a weekly show. >> It's [clears throat] very true. And I
00:36:11
wish I had one again. I just auditioned for one yesterday for like a smaller role in it, but it's still a series
00:36:17
regular. And I and the fantasy that I'm living with before they reject me, which
00:36:21
will probably happen later today. Um but but the >> we're good luck charms. Well, maybe it
00:36:27
won't then. Um, but the fantasy I have in my head is is is about getting to show up on a set regularly and probably
00:36:33
I'll maybe I'll have one line cuz it's not like the main character, but like it
00:36:37
would just be >> less stress. >> I would just it would just be fun >> structure and then you're coming back to
00:36:41
it with your eyes now. Like, oh wow, we're putting on a little show. Let's
00:36:45
not take it too seriously. It's all pretend and have more fun with You know,
00:36:49
we did just shoot me. George Seagull had had everyone on that show had did done some good things and then had some tough
00:36:56
times. And so it was a good mix of people that are like were so lucky to have this show.
00:37:01
>> So there was no primadonas other than me. There was no [laughter] [ __ ] other than me. So
00:37:08
>> that was a sort of good lesson. But I had my own things. I had a tough time on
00:37:11
SNL. So getting on something where someone was writing for me and it was steady. And about fame, like you're
00:37:17
saying, you're in Big Picture. Great. I remember that perfectly. Um, and the
00:37:22
other movies I saw Tango and Cash of course. >> So, and soap dish. So, they're you're
00:37:28
building building. And then when you get on a weekly thing, that's where fame
00:37:31
hits because when people see you over and over and over and then S Lois and Clark was a pretty big deal. So,
00:37:36
>> there's TV Guide. There's more from that then it's like almost overwhelming
00:37:40
probably. >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's also I'm also like a really hard worker and
00:37:48
like those shows you work like se back in those days 75 hours a week. I mean, you would start every Monday at 4:00
00:37:55
a.m. and every Friday you'd be working till 4 a.m. Like it was >> and you're not allowed to complain
00:37:59
because everyone's like, "Oh, you're on a hit [ __ ] show." >> Yeah.
00:38:01
>> And that was 10 months a year. And I mean it and and so you're not really
00:38:06
thinking you're there's no room really for joy of like >> oh I'm I mean you're just not you're not
00:38:13
going to spas or dinner with your friends or or just grinding it out >> you know you are kind of and so it
00:38:19
really isn't until it's over that you get an opportunity to reflect back
00:38:25
>> at what an amazing opportunity it was. It's more like when you're in it. It's
00:38:29
hard to not get caught up in what feels hard about it. >> It's not that you're not grateful. Like
00:38:36
I feel like I'm always grateful, but it is. >> I mean, it's not unlike being the mother
00:38:41
of a of a young kid when you're just, you know, you you obviously you're so
00:38:44
thrilled to have a a child, but then also you're not sleeping and you're not,
00:38:49
you know, whatever. It's >> put both of those things >> together and have it all feel positive
00:38:55
all the time. >> Exhaustion. It's like a baby is exhaustion leads to >> leads to frustration
00:39:01
>> frustration and tears or whatever you [clears throat] want to call >> like er this sher string remember she
00:39:06
quit er and people couldn't believe it I was like I didn't go I believe it
00:39:09
>> but that's >> because she's making a ton of money but you're like
00:39:12
>> can't do it anymore >> 10 months a year >> memorizing and grinding and everyone's
00:39:16
like poor people work harder than that I go it's just a mental you're not coming
00:39:20
up for air she probably just needed >> three months off like for just to >> just see her friends see family just get
00:39:28
life back and then go, "Okay, I'm back in the hole." Because they do a never-
00:39:31
ending movie. Movies are so hard. And that's what you were doing. >> And you also don't know what's It was
00:39:36
interesting. I just saw Jane Fonda talking on a podcast yesterday and she referenced that in the first season of
00:39:43
the show that she did with Lily Tomlin um recently. Yeah. That it was horrible for her. These are her words. And she
00:39:50
said she realized in hindsight because the subject matter was kind of like pushing very deep buttons for her about
00:39:57
being abandoned >> and and she had to go work on that and then was able to approach the second
00:40:03
season and then it was like all great after that. >> I see. >> But I it made me think you just don't
00:40:09
know what's >> going on. And we're so quick >> to judge and label and
00:40:17
>> I don't know. You just you just don't know. It's a very common human thing.
00:40:20
Why is that person doing that? Why isn't Terry Hatcher going doing that? I don't
00:40:24
understand why they're doing that, you know, and you have to be humble about,
00:40:27
well, you don't know their story. >> Also, sometimes you want to work and you
00:40:30
go, I just want to go work again. and then something comes along that's not a
00:40:32
thousand% what you want to do, but you go, "Let me just do it because >> I totally
00:40:38
>> I feel like I'm out of the [ __ ] mix and I got >> I totally want to work." Which is why I
00:40:42
I got this opportunity to do um >> a little bit of standup that I wrote for
00:40:47
Showtime about four years ago. It was called They have this thing called Funny Women of a Certain Age. So, it sort of
00:40:54
gives it an umbrella of like, okay, we know what these women are going to talk about. They're going to talk about being
00:40:59
old, which made it easier for me to write um in a way. And like Wendy Leeman was in it and Carol Montgomery and
00:41:06
Marshall uh Warfield. Marshall Warfield. And um >> they're like pros. >> Yeah. Yeah. Total. Yeah. Real pros. No.
00:41:12
And we did it at the Irvine improv and I wrote like a 15 20 minute set. >> Jesus, that's a lot.
00:41:18
>> I know, right? hard at what the >> and I wasn't horrible and it did sort of
00:41:26
>> it was all anchored in this story that actually happened to me where I was told
00:41:30
that I have an average vagina and and and I actually I actually told >> I only told you that because [laughter]
00:41:39
>> Okay. All right. We're going to take a short break. >> Short break. [laughter]
00:41:44
>> We're going to reset ourselves. >> It was just the pants you were wearing.
00:41:49
Oh. >> Uh, no. We got we got time for the rest of >> the president of Odyssey Communications.
00:41:54
[gasps] >> Go ahead. So, you're >> No, no. I When I f first met Brett
00:42:00
Goldstein, it was at a function for um Ashling Bay, who's a mutual friend of
00:42:06
ours. And there was like a cocktail thing after she performed. And I didn't know Brett, but I had just come from the
00:42:13
gynecologist's office. And I'm a way big oversharer. Talk to strangers. the older
00:42:18
I get, the do not ask me how my day is cuz like you're you better be ready to
00:42:22
stand there for a while. Um, and so anyways, he said, "Nice to meet you. How
00:42:28
was your day?" And so I proceeded to tell him this story. I'll do the very
00:42:33
quick version of it for you guys, but it was it was like I was this was kind of the last time I started dating somebody,
00:42:39
which is over six years ago. >> And I hadn't had sex in a really long time because I hadn't been dating. And
00:42:45
at my age, I was sort of thinking like, I don't know, does it work anymore? Like, how would I know? Like, nobody's
00:42:50
been in there and you know this whole, you can imagine. So, I go to the gynecologist. My David's uncomfortable.
00:42:56
[laughter] >> I look, it's nice to see you squirm. So, you go to the gynecologist.
00:43:00
>> So, I go to the gynecologist who happens to be named Dr. Johnson. Like, you can't
00:43:04
make it up. No, I'm not kidding. I feel like that happens. My daughter has a
00:43:08
dentist named Dr. Needle. I just don't There's got to be something [laughter]
00:43:12
happening there. Anyways, so I go and and so he's giving me an exam and I'm
00:43:17
laying there and I'm thinking like how do I say this? Like like and I'm kind of
00:43:21
like um doctor what you know it's what and uh uh and then I finally go does it
00:43:25
look like a guy would have a good time in there [snorts] and and >> that wasn't what was supposed [laughter]
00:43:29
to come up. >> And so he sort of backs away and this is all real, okay? It really I I mean I
00:43:36
wrote more stuff around it but this actually happened. So I he backs away and he looks at me and he goes, "Terry,
00:43:43
you have a totally average vagina." And and then he you know, he meant it like
00:43:48
there's nothing. It's fine. It's Yeah, there's there's no problematic.
00:43:52
>> The normal word is unremarkable. >> Okay. But and he used average, which is
00:43:55
fine. >> Average is better. It's unremarkable. >> And I told this to Brett and then he he
00:44:00
was like, "You need to write a onewoman show." And so he kind of got that into
00:44:04
my head that that might even be a possibility. And just going back to what you're saying about wanting to work, I
00:44:09
I'm I'm obviously not even close to being, you know, a a seasoned writer or
00:44:16
or comic or anything, but but it did make me feel like it if you can be good at it, if you have the discipline, it is
00:44:24
an area where women my age can continue to tell their stories. >> There's great because you have more
00:44:30
stories. >> Yeah. and and like and and you know, maybe you don't make a ton of money, but
00:44:34
the work of it, like to go on stage in front of 30 people and tell a story that >> half of them think is funny. I don't
00:44:40
know. That could feel rewarding. So, I've sort of been >> that's >> monkeying around in that area.
00:44:46
>> Also, when you do a podcast, I'm sure you finish some and you're prepping for
00:44:50
it and you go and you do it and you walk away going, you feel like you did something. You go, "That's interesting.
00:44:55
We did it. Oh, it kind of worked today. We all those things are kind of fun if you're in performer
00:45:02
>> and we stand up. You're the writer, the director, the performer. >> It's, you know, just a oneman band. So,
00:45:08
>> but you're likable. And also, you're saying >> I wish I was better at it. I mean, I
00:45:11
would, you know, >> you could do it at a very high level just based on hanging out with you for
00:45:16
sure. Thank you because we we we our first times on stage, you know, it takes a while to get desensitized to people
00:45:24
staring at you and stuff. It takes a while. So you seem comfortable just going up already. That's
00:45:29
>> you know and you're very honest and that's a big big area for comedy
00:45:33
>> saying things that people don't say >> regularly say. >> I just make funny voices and he he
00:45:39
complains and talks about dating or >> I don't know what I don't know.
00:45:42
>> Well career but you have a most >> pretty much is [laughter] more squirmy.
00:45:52
>> Let's get to when I I was on as SNL when she came. Yes. >> And it was my last year.
00:45:58
>> You don't think you knew that? >> I didn't. >> But I only did one bit a week. Lauren,
00:46:03
when I left, because Adam and Chris left. >> They were fired though. I didn't I
00:46:08
didn't even know that. Uh sort of. >> Did you meet Farley? >> I did not.
00:46:13
>> You didn't? >> I don't think so. >> You never dragged him around?
00:46:16
>> No. >> Uh because that's why I was there with without those guys. But Lauren goes,
00:46:19
"Why don't you stay and do like a weekend update, just your own segment,
00:46:22
but do whatever you want." I was like, "Oh, great." So when when Terry hosted
00:46:27
uh you came on there and we did a bit Yeah. Right. It was super fun. >> Was it like Spade in America?
00:46:32
>> Yeah, that was called >> And then uh Don Partn. >> So she played me and I played you.
00:46:41
>> Which was really clever. You wrote that, right? >> Yeah. And it was pretty funny. And you
00:46:44
go >> It was meta. It was super meta. >> You go, I'm Terry Snatcher.
00:46:48
>> Yes. >> Yeah. You played me. She dressed like me. So of course that's something I
00:46:52
would say ideal, >> right? and we made fun of each other and I was just like a girl
00:46:57
>> and uh and you hosted and did you have a good time on that show? >> I did. I mean I look back on it as just
00:47:06
one of the highlights of opportunity and like with so much gratitude that I got to have that
00:47:13
opportunity. Um I remember coming off of Louisis and Clark, it must have been the
00:47:19
end, it was like late spring. I think I was the second to last or the third to last episode. I feel like Jim Carrey was
00:47:26
like gonna be >> after me maybe for the finale. >> And um >> I remember feeling kind of beat up on
00:47:34
Lois and Clark and you know like maybe not you're getting to have the most creative input, you know, help Superman
00:47:40
help. Like it was a lot [laughter] of that. And um >> every every show of the script help
00:47:46
[gasps] I don't need the Q cards. And I remember showing up and just being, you know, in
00:47:51
that Wednesday meeting and just sort of being like, I'll do anything. Whatever
00:47:56
anybody wants to write for me, I will do anything. You know, I and >> and that was my attitude whether people,
00:48:03
you know, appreciate it or not. I feel like I did um I got to do a cheerleader uh sketch
00:48:10
>> with Will and Sherry and I got to do a Molly a Katherine Gallagher. Yeah. No,
00:48:15
they were all in fact that one I feel like made it into like the 25 when it was the 25th anniversary.
00:48:22
>> Um we uh we were doing the like I feel pretty from Westside Story. It was that
00:48:27
and um she kept knocking me out of the way >> and um >> and I did a thing with Chris Katan. We
00:48:34
did sort of >> do Mango or one of those greatest hits. >> And I feel like there was a whoopass.
00:48:39
That was the whoopass time with whoops. >> There was like or no >> or or Tracy Morgan.
00:48:46
>> Oh, when he sings or something. >> I don't know. >> Get a can of whoopass. I don't know.
00:48:50
>> Anyways, and then I did my um opening monologue with Will Frell and and I
00:48:55
think Norm wrote that. >> Oh, how great. >> Yeah. And it wasn't written until
00:48:59
Saturday morning. I kept saying is am I going to get to look at that monologue before the monologue? I remember
00:49:06
rehearsing the monologue >> and I had a on Saturday I had a full-on migraine like you know how they start in
00:49:11
the back >> and so I I'm standing at the mic like rehearsing and I had an ice pack that I
00:49:17
was holding on the back of my head and people would walk by and go how are you doing and I'm like oh I'm good I'm
00:49:21
really good I'm totally like [laughter] never bad >> like there and and the the monologue was
00:49:27
a play on the Clark Kent glasses thing so so Will would come out and go with like with his glasses
00:49:35
He'd be welcome to whatever I would look away for a second, give him a chance to take the glasses off and
00:49:45
then I would look back and I would be like, "Oh my god, where's Will? I What
00:49:48
happened to Will?" Like, "Will here, now he's not here." And then he would put
00:49:51
him back on and it kind of went back and forth like that. It was funny. >> It's hard to think of monologues for
00:49:56
everybody. I mean, that's a good one for you. So, it's good. >> But you were known as a lovely host and
00:50:01
nice to everyone. >> Oh, really? Yeah, of course. Oh, that's nice. >> Of course. It's in the book.
00:50:05
>> It's because it's crazy. I mean, >> it's almost too much of a good thing.
00:50:09
>> The behind the scenes of the people changing your wardrobe and your wigs and
00:50:12
you're ripping your clothes off and putting new [laughter] clothes on and shoving you out and Oh, I know what I
00:50:17
did uh with um >> Oh my god, why is his name Tim? Tim. Yes. Oh, who I love. We did a pre-tape
00:50:27
thing. >> Yeah. where he swore like you cannot believe like like and I was this it was
00:50:34
supposed to be our sitcom like like homeboy and the something and and and so we pretaped this thing where he would be
00:50:42
like like you know suck my whatever you know whatever and then they would bleep that out like [ __ ] you and whatever and
00:50:47
but they would bleep everything out and I would just and my character would just
00:50:51
be like mom I can't believe he's talking to me like that or whatever and he would
00:50:56
say you know what [ __ ] you know whatever And um [laughter] and and I remember I think at the end I
00:51:03
had to say a nasty word to him and I really had a hard time. He remind he somehow we connected on Instagram not
00:51:11
that long ago and he was reminding me that I had a hard time saying that. >> Oh my god. I'm going to see Tim next
00:51:16
week. I want to ask. >> Oh you are. Yeah. >> I'm going to bring it.
00:51:18
>> Yeah. How funny. But that was a pretape which is another funny fun one to be in.
00:51:22
>> Yeah. >> They beat you up there too. >> Yeah. >> It's worse now. It's like Monday before
00:51:26
your meeting you do a pre-tape all day and then you go to the meeting. >> Okay.
00:51:29
>> You don't even read it ahead. You're like you you already said yes to this.
00:51:32
Just go and you're [clears throat] like okay. >> But it is people that come in like
00:51:36
everyone knows it's >> you're excited to do something different. Then it's like oh this is so
00:51:40
much this is this is >> but I I remember it >> taking it all in doing all the things.
00:51:44
You were a good sport. You did everything. >> That's a deathbed thing. Like I often
00:51:49
will look at life from the point of view like I'll look at something that's
00:51:52
happening and I'll think like okay on my deathbed am I going to be like I'm glad
00:51:57
I did this or you know that wasn't that important and it's definitely I mean it
00:52:03
is definitely a thing that on my deathbed I get to go and I had that experience where I hosted Saturday Night
00:52:08
Live once. Oh my god. Here you go. I was famous and I got on C. It's like it it
00:52:12
just proves that you're doing well and you're like >> it when your career's as long as you
00:52:17
know it's like three decades at least. >> It just feels like a different person.
00:52:22
It feels like like I also >> originated the national tour off of Broadway of Cabaret playing Sally BS
00:52:29
after Natasha Richardson. I think I remember >> and I did seven months um LA, Chicago,
00:52:36
Boston and DC and that was a huge show and you know hugely successful and lot of energy and that was in 1999 2000 and
00:52:48
I do I look at that and I go I don't even know who that was. >> Yeah. Wow. Like I don't
00:52:52
>> so different now. >> It's so weird. >> You look back Yeah.
00:52:54
>> We should just talk about this thing called Desperate [laughter] Housewives
00:52:57
as far as >> No, we will. We're almost done. But we should talk is a rocket ship.
00:53:01
>> Yes. >> Like that is still, you know, and also just the name of it is so Yeah.
00:53:06
>> Great name. >> Well, you know, they I I looked into this when we started doing the podcast.
00:53:10
I was like, what is the history of the word housewives? Because obviously after our show became the Real Housewives and
00:53:17
you know and then like even the hunting wives and I mean they just like >> you know Mark Cherry should have a
00:53:23
percentage of all of that but he doesn't but he should you know because back in
00:53:27
the 70s so the in the 50s housewife was like a real you know the prim proper the
00:53:33
dinner on the table the whole thing. And then in the 70s with the bra burning and
00:53:36
all that it kind of people didn't use that term anymore. And it really was Mark that brought it back with this and
00:53:43
it it was huge that >> it's just it's a it just catchy. It's >> Yeah, it's catchy. And their housewives
00:53:49
was a show a hit from the go. >> It re it really was. I mean, not not because
00:53:56
we knew it would be or anything that that I always feel like that thing is just a monster of its own. You know, it
00:54:03
it I always give a lot of credit to that it aired on Sunday nights at 9:00, which
00:54:08
I always felt like was the exact hour >> when women had gotten their kids to bed,
00:54:14
>> but they didn't have to go to bed themselves. And it was before Monday
00:54:18
where everything was going to start again. It was this like one hour in the week where they could be like, "This is
00:54:23
mine. >> Give me my glass of wine. I'm watching this show." And I feel like if they'd
00:54:28
put it on Thursday or Tuesday, I don't know, maybe it wouldn't have happened.
00:54:31
Was Dallas on that? When was Dallas? >> I think Dallas was before. >> No, but I was Sunday night.
00:54:36
>> Oh, I don't know. >> Yeah, I don't know. >> But I do think a lot of live streaming
00:54:39
shows, you know, their new episodes come out on Sunday. Probably for the same reason. So,
00:54:44
>> but um should we talk about your podcast for a sec? >> Okay. >> Based on what we're just talking about.
00:54:50
Well, I didn't know I Has anyone done it where they're actually watching the
00:54:53
episodes with like like the episode is being watched and you're talking over
00:54:59
it? Well, no, we're not doing that because we don't have the rights to show.
00:55:03
>> That's why we don't we don't show I would have shown me and you.
00:55:07
>> Oh, okay. Yeah, that's that's why you can't do it. But what we are doing and
00:55:11
what's fun is that the three of us individually in our own lives. We find time in the week to watch it. We make
00:55:17
our We're all very studious, so we all come in with our pages of >> episode by episode. Is that right?
00:55:21
>> We do. We go episode by episode. So, one podcast is one full episode. >> I see. Okay. And [snorts]
00:55:28
um uh and then we don't share with each other our thoughts until we get to the
00:55:33
room. And and so we try to like take you through the episode from the beginning to the end. But then like I said, we
00:55:40
also use it as a jumping off point to talk about, >> you know, what one time in your life
00:55:46
when when somebody rejected you or when this happened or when somebody broke up with you or or whatever, whatever comes
00:55:52
up. >> The office ladies obviously was one that did it. um or are still doing it.
00:55:58
>> Oh. Oh, for the office. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Kind of episodically going
00:56:01
over and over. So, how many episodes are there Desperate House? >> Well, there's eight seasons. So, I mean,
00:56:06
if the podcast works, we can we are there obviously some I'm sorry to interrupt you, but um we promised we
00:56:13
would. Uh [laughter] do you some you really remember and some you don't really remember? I would say
00:56:20
mostly I don't remember anything until [laughter] >> until I'm I mean really like like I
00:56:28
don't remember anything until um I watch it and then of course I go oh yeah okay
00:56:35
well now I I I remember that now and then sometimes I have more vivid memories about the actual filming of it
00:56:41
or not. But it is also interesting and I said this at the time when it came out because it had this four to five lead
00:56:49
characters. >> Mhm. >> A lot of the show I'm not in. >> You know, all of the scenes that happen
00:56:56
between those different marital families >> I didn't see be filmed and I and I
00:57:02
wasn't there. So I'm kind of enjoying it. >> And you're not watching it every week.
00:57:06
>> Yeah. And I'm And so now I'm enjoying it like a watching the whole thing. You
00:57:11
don't know more than half of the show you haven't seen. >> I Yeah. And so I find myself a lot
00:57:15
going, "Oh my god, can you believe how great she was in that scene?" Like
00:57:18
literally the best comic timing ever. You know, whatever. Um I find myself doing that a lot.
00:57:23
>> Who were you closest with or are you still close with anyone there? >> Not really. Um I mean I was honestly I
00:57:31
was I'm more of like a crew person. I mean, a lot of the camera crew and um we
00:57:37
would go camping together, like all of our families, like we would go up to Big Su and go camping together. I mean, and
00:57:42
I would have people to my house and stuff. I'm I'm I was also the only single mom at the time.
00:57:49
>> Oh. >> And and I was also divorced, so I was sharing custody, so there were pretty
00:57:55
strict custodial hours to when I had my daughter and and then I was working a lot. And and so I kind of wasn't
00:58:04
particularly social because it was like if I had the night off, I was going to be with my kid like and and
00:58:10
>> I I I that never got talked about. And I think people don't you don't hear a lot
00:58:17
of people talk about what is hard about being a parent with 50% custody and and >> the kind of stress that is or pressure
00:58:26
or whatever. And so that was also going on for me at the time. But I Vanessa Williams I guess is is a good friend of
00:58:33
mine and um we still keep in touch. >> Lead gaffer apparently. [laughter] >> Lead gaffer. Yeah.
00:58:40
>> I mean there's definitely people that I keep in touch with just not everyone.
00:58:44
>> And you do you live in the valley? I think you used to live in the valley.
00:58:47
>> I still live in the same house. >> Not the same. Is there a van in the
00:58:49
front yard? >> There is a van and I still have my van. I put solar panels on my 1978 VW bus
00:58:55
camper which I still love to drive around. Did you buy that new 70? >> I was the second owner. So I've owned it
00:59:01
for 25 years. Um and I was the second owner. >> Okay. Does it run? >> Yeah. I get it tuned up all the time. I
00:59:08
also have a 1974 Ford Explorer truck. Like I'm a I'm a hick. I'm a nerd and a
00:59:13
hick. These are things people don't think of you. A hick when I see it. >> What would be the fanciest thing you
00:59:18
own? I mean like a watch or do you have anything? David has 29 watches. >> No, I have two watches.
00:59:24
>> This is made of solid gold. It's no big deal. It cost a million dollars. Okay.
00:59:27
>> Um, >> does it make you feel good about yourself? >> He gets kidnapped a lot, but [laughter]
00:59:31
I always I always pay the rent swatch. >> I have a few. Okay. I'm really not that
00:59:36
fancy. I I have a um diamond panther Cardier ring that I guess is pretty fancy that I bought for myself for my
00:59:45
40th birthday. >> Okay. >> Um >> my daughter >> actually, which I I have used once. It
00:59:53
sits in my closet. My daughter bought me probably for my 50th birthday. She got together with grandma and she bought me
01:00:01
an Hermes Birkin bag which I >> which I don't even use because I'm not
01:00:08
that person but but it was the she my daughter writes great birthday cards >> and she wrote a card about she basically
01:00:16
was just saying that you know from her perception I've never put myself first
01:00:20
like I would never take that money and spend it on myself. I would spend it on you guys before I would spend it on
01:00:25
myself. Like I just I just don't do that. I spend a lot of money on other people and and
01:00:31
>> um >> I mean and so anyways, she just felt like it was time that I had one and I
01:00:36
mean I the thing that touched me the most about it was her gesture to go do that as a surprise, but like I've I've
01:00:43
used it once. It's I feel weird using it. >> True. But it's nice to have someone go
01:00:47
out of their way to get you a big expensive gift like you deserve this. It's nice.
01:00:50
>> Yeah. That's what >> whether you used it or not, but >> it does feel weird.
01:00:54
>> But I like to take trips, you know, I like to spend my money on um I took all
01:00:58
of my girlfriends I got really great seats to see Pink um at the at Dodger Stadium last year
01:01:05
>> and I mean that cost a lot. We got and we got a bus and we all went together
01:01:08
and that's that's that's a deathbed thing. I will not be sorry. I spent that
01:01:12
money. >> But that's worth it. Those things are worth go to a concert, sit up front, pay
01:01:16
the money if you have some money. Yeah. I agree. I'm with you. I do that a lot.
01:01:19
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> So, the podcast is >> Wait, that's it. Not one more question.
01:01:26
Go ahead. No, go ahead. >> Do you have any statements? Anything you like to
01:01:29
>> No, I think did I finish my thought on the thing though? I think I did. I said
01:01:33
that these three different women that we were all that that's what I find the
01:01:38
most fun like the way you guys are the most fun about our podcast is that yes we are re-watching Desperate Housewives
01:01:44
but we're using it as the springboard to be like a community of women talking
01:01:48
about life and hopefully I think I I hope people >> will like our chemistry and want to hang
01:01:53
out with us. >> That's really what this whole thing is about. And when I was listening to you
01:01:57
three, you were just chatting about all kinds of stuff before you got into the episode. So that just
01:02:02
>> I think that's important because they wanted like you settle in. >> Yes.
01:02:06
>> And you talk, you haven't seen each other overnight, you go, "Hey, what
01:02:08
happened?" If anything fun happens, Dana and I do that sometimes at the beginning. Yeah.
01:02:12
>> And we just talk about a stupid weekend, but it it's kind of >> makes you relatable and then you get
01:02:16
into it. It is sort of just them listening along and like they're sitting in the room with you. So
01:02:21
>> yeah, >> I uh I expect good things from that. >> I hope so. Thank you guys for helping.
01:02:26
>> We're going to look at the charts and we if you go ahead of us, we will.
01:02:29
>> I I seriously doubt that. I seriously doubt that. But I hope you help us pick
01:02:35
up a few viewers. I hope I I get brave enough to do some standup. I hope you do, too. Maybe you can come just tell me
01:02:42
I'm bad. That's I don't even have to be. I just want >> I don't I don't look at it as magic, you
01:02:47
know? I mean, maybe there's levels of people that are so high, but as far as
01:02:50
just being a really good standup, you can learn. you already have all the back and you've got the the whole vibe that's
01:02:56
funny. So, it's only >> and you don't seem like you're scared up
01:02:59
there and that's where people get so scared, right? >> And it >> it takes years. You're past that.
01:03:05
>> So, now it's just picking stories and then you tape it, see what kind of
01:03:08
worked. You listen back, which is excruciating, and [laughter] then you go, "Okay, well, that worked. I don't
01:03:13
even need this part. Okay, tighten that up." >> And then you try it again. Yeah.
01:03:16
>> And then that's like a fun puzzle in itself. Yeah. >> Is you're trying to figure out crack the
01:03:21
code of why? Women of a certain age is a great area. I can't remember the name. Her last name
01:03:26
is Morgan, I think, but she >> Leanne. That's so amazing. She's so
01:03:31
inspiring. >> Yes, she's super sweet. >> So, there you go. There's a huge
01:03:34
audience for I'll definitely come see you do stand up. >> All right. So, you tell me. Okay. So,
01:03:39
good to see you. We didn't even get to talk about George Bush. Damn it. >> Oh, [laughter]
01:03:44
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