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Julia Sweeney, who I was shared several years on Saturday Night Live. So did David. And we had this really nice
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interview with her. So we're bringing her back. In case you missed it, she's
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uh she had a character named It's Pat that was kind of a big hit on SNL. There
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was a movie. It was controversial in its own way, but she's very talented and
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very open about uh >> androgynous character. Mhm. >> Everyone tried to figure out if it was a
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man or woman. That was a big joke. And it was funny. >> She also was a strong utility player
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because like Phil as a female, she would come in and she was in a lot of sketches
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because of this and she could play anything and >> throw a wig on and give her an accent.
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And uh it was fun to sit with her and look back because we were there a lot at the same time.
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>> Yeah. Early 90s. >> Just good. >> You know, you always focus on the fun.
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and we and uh some of the tough times, but we overall we all had a great time there.
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>> Mhm. >> She was a trip down memory lane. >> Yeah. One of the greats, Julia Sweeney.
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>> You've done two or three onewoman shows based on >> Well, really just one.
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>> Letting Go of God was the >> Yeah, that's the religion one. The other
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ones are other things. >> God said, "Ha." Yeah, I got it. But but
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the really So you're an atheist? >> Yes. Although I really >> It sounds so negative, but it's just
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atheist. >> Yes. Well, no, because to American ears, atheist sounds like um I hate puppies
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and flowers. >> Yes. Kind of a Nazi thing to it or something. >> Yeah. Even though the Nazis weren't
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atheists, but I which I'm always explaining to people. Okay. But anyway, >> well, it comes from Catholicism. Um but
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um yeah I yeah I mean I've had a yeah I don't believe I don't let me put it this
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way. I don't live my life under the assumption that there is a deity watching what I do.
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>> Right. >> I guess that makes me an atheist. >> Yeah. I guess uh I don't know what I I I
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keep coming back to this like I can't comprehend infinity that there was no beginning or end to this whatever. Why
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why do things exist and when did they get here? So, I keep going around with that. I I did know a Jehovah's Witness
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once who who told me he could understand infinity. I said, "So, you can think of
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a God who never was not here, was always here." He looked up and he goes, "Yeah,
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I got it." Yep. Yep. >> Not me. I want to say to the record, I like puppies and I like flowers. I think
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Julie what people is the it hits the ear like if you don't believe in that then
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you don't believe what we believe is that that created those things so you're
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against everything. Is that kind of what the vibe is? >> Yeah, that's and it's like a very I used
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to think I could I don't know what I thought. I guess I thought doing my show I would change
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people's mind. I wasn't doing it to change people's mind. Actually, the
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reason I did the show is because for me it was a huge huge the philosophical transformation. I wasn't particularly
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religious before. So, it was about age 40 that this happened. >> Well, I was religious. I wanted to be a
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nun in high school. I was completely committed Catholic, but I let it kind of go away.
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>> And then I had a crisis in my life that made me believe more like I really felt,
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you know, like I had religious experiences. And then after that, I started trying to think, well, what was
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going on with those experiences? And then as I learned more and more about the brain and how we evolved, then I
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finally read the Bible. I, you know, and then over two years, I realized that I could explain it psychologically or
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naturally or, you know, like I didn't need a god to explain what happened to
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me. And then so then I wanted that was a big dramatic change in my life. And I had been doing these oneperson shows
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about things like that. So I thought, oh that's a good challenge to kind of do a
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oneperson show about a change of mind that all the dramas all takes place in your head
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>> and that was really hard and I didn't necessarily achievement achieve it. I
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had to make stories and you know like I had to conform to normal dramatic structure but I did it and it was
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probably my most popular show and but I wasn't thinking I'm going to convince
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people to be an atheist. It was more like >> it have comedic tones I'm sure.
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>> Oh yes. It was actually I felt defensive about it because I felt like I was
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getting as many laughs per five minutes as comedians were but because it was a difficult topic I wasn't considered a
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standup you know like >> right >> and >> well it's a brave topic and that's
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harder in standup it's more respected in a way to try to tackle things instead of
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7-Eleven which I tackle >> I w I watched about 12 minutes of it I thought it was really charming and the
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way you walked yourself into it was very disarming for the audience. But yeah, did I ever believe in a magic god and
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all that stuff? No, I'm I'm with you on that. I mean, I never never bought it
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and no one bought it in the Lutheran church. Even the pastors, you could tell >> I fully believe now that all everyone no
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one really believes it. I mean like I think about tribalism and history and a affection for the ritual and affection
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for the way of life >> and so it almost is like it was useless to try to argue rationally with someone
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about it. It isn't a rational choice. It's usually you're born into it or you
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have an emotional thing that makes you join something because it helps your life like and
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>> you know I don't care. That's fine with me WITH PEOPLE LIKE I'M NOT YOU KNOW so
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>> I went back to the Catholic church with my wife and I found it just interesting
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because they were talking about Pontious Pilot and stuff you know and it's like
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wow they're still doing it. It was like a going back in time but >> they're still doing these bits.
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>> Yeah but >> I know it's the old material. Um, >> David, have you ever
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>> Yeah. Now I kind of as a hobby follow these right-wing Catholics. >> It's interesting.
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>> Rightwing. Okay. >> Oh, yeah. There's a huge schism coming in the church, I think.
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>> Oh, that makes sense. I >> Because there's the Latin massers and
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there the people who are with Pope Benedict and not with Pope Francis and they think Francis is the anti-popee.
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>> Did you say Pope Benedict or Pope Wedict? Good night. Sorry. Okay. Anyway,
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I Jesus, >> I canceled. I'm sorry. I'm canceled every five minutes.
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>> I like that one. >> I just made >> I just made it up. Anyway, um should we
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talk about your other supernatural experience meeting David Spade in 19 >> Julia
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>> when you got My question for Julia is and then we're going to get to me and
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Julia of course. Uh when she I think you came from Groundlings. So when there when when that happens and you can
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explain how it happens. Is there any jealousy when someone gets plucked out of groundlings?
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>> Well, it's so funny. I think I was so naive. I didn't think anyone was jealous
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of me and I wasn't jealous of other people, but now I understand that most people get really jealous of those
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things. I mean, so I was just kind of oblivious about it towards me and and the people who got on
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before me, um, like Phil Hartman and John Loveitz, who I only didn't know well, but I I knew Phil a lot better
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than John. But >> um, I didn't feel jealous. I just thought, "Wow, that's so exciting." You
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know, like I didn't But >> there's something weird wrong with me that I don't feel that way. I actually
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don't feel that way. No, it's an innocence. A nice It's a nice innocence
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that you might >> you learn later like, "Oh [ __ ] they're mad at me because of this." Or I started
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to feel those tingles >> of jealousy at SNL to be honest and and and of getting on.
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>> Yeah. Well, at Groundlings, everyone's good too, you know, but SNL is just a
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whole another level like going from college probably to uh >> Oh, yeah. I mean, my experience with the
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Growlings was all for one and one for all and if someone gets something, we're
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all happy. And then at SNL, it took me a long time to understand how to be competitive, you know, like
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>> I didn't It was really I was really kind of a lamb fed to the sharks in certain
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ways, but I did adapt. Melanie Melanie Hutzel we talked with recently and she talked about
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>> I love her >> and she's so sweet and so southern and she talked about that the difference the
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standups were kind of trained to kill and destroy and el elbow out and seemed like the groundies were sweeter and
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nicer overall. >> No way. I mean, I'm sure I was naive and I was and frankly I was succeeding so
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much I didn't know that sounds arrogant to say, but at that moment I was succeeding enough that I didn't have any
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awareness of the competitiveness of it. I was just thought we were all doing it.
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And but then when I got to SNL, well actually and I feel like I had mostly really good experience there, but now
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that I'm older, um, and I look back, I think I I really didn't understand what
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was going on. I didn't understand how hard you had to compete. I thought we were all just going to look out for each
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other. >> Yeah. Well, when when Nora and Jen left and you came in, it seemed like you had
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a lot of you were very active initially. You were doing stuff >> before I was beaten down.
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>> Well, you became the go-to wifeid. >> You were just in every sketch in a
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sense. You and Phil had that sort of a lot of sketches together, right? And you were very active your first
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>> Yeah. >> I mean, he was with Jan was mostly his wife, but I was like I was the B team
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wife. >> But then Jen left the show and there you were. And then you came. Yeah. You were
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the alternative wife. That's >> Did you and Jan overlap a year and maybe
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Nora? >> One year. Okay. >> A year. Yeah. >> And Nora? Not at all.
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>> No, cuz I think I replaced her if you think of it like that. >> Chased her out is what we call it.
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>> No, she elbows. There was several shows she was not at. >> Sharp elbows.
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>> You got some sharp elbows, Sweeny. Don't play it. But >> that's a good SNL book title.
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>> Yes. Sharp elbows. >> Well, yeah. Julia, so you come in, you get plucked from the groundlings. Was it
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anyone else with you or was Phil and John already there, but you got plucked solo?
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Yeah. And you know it was between me and Lisa Kudro. >> And when I got it, I thought, you know,
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I hope Lisa gets something. >> Oh, >> she deserves success like me. >> Yeah. Bless her heart. I hope she You
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go. I hope one day she makes >> someday she gets on a show, you know, cuz she You know what? She deserves it.
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>> You know what's funny? I'm not saying I if there was room for two women and I'm
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saying back then it was probably a lot tougher where they wouldn't even consider that. I know
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>> but you and Lisa would have been such a >> I mean Lisa was wonderful. I mean
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>> so I mean it was it did I kind of bought into that culture too like you have
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three women and seven to 10 guys and that's how it is. >> Way too many women. Yeah, it was a good
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ratio. 12 guys and three women. I really enjoyed that. In fairness, it was true that there was, you know, talk about not
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enough for the women and and it was true. And so, and it's very >> it it's I think nowadays they're more
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cognizant of it because there's a lot of great women have come through there.
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>> I think I think you paved the way changed everything. I think she revolutionized us now.
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>> Yeah. and doing update and and writing and >> and bringing women in and pointing out
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that there's no reason not to have the women that if all the sketches are so
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male focused that there's only women as weird archetypes in suit sketches here
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and there. >> It's like you're never going to get the women used. You have to really change
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your whole point of view. And I don't I wasn't there but and I don't even know
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Tina Fay but I I sense that there was a huge revolution took place that was a good one. You know, it's funny. When
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Tina was there, that was It sounds crazy, but that might have been the first time when there's like a sketch
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with all women. >> Yeah. >> Where people would be like, "What?"
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>> Well, she wrote about that in her book. I mean, I not about the sketch, but just
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about why you couldn't have a whole sketch group that was all women or >> like why can't why wouldn't you be able
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to think up a lot of sketches for a lot of women that didn't happen to have a
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man in it, you know? Like, and and I was I had that prejudice myself. Like, I really thought, "Oh, yeah. You think of
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something for a guy to do and then you think how you could come in, you know, like it
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>> it took a long time for me to see how much the sexism was even in myself.
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>> Yeah. >> And that that was sort of the way it was. We were all there around the same
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time. And I remember it was just the way it was thought, good or bad, it was just
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the way it was thought. >> It's amazing how you don't even question
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certain things. Like I thought of myself as a liberated progressive person and yet I didn't I thought oh yeah we'll
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always be three women and 10 guys. >> Well also they uh Sarah Palin came in as
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a vice presidential candidate. So that was and then Hillary later so that gave two political parts. There were you know
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um I don't know who you could do back then really. I mean Senator Feinstein she was there.
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>> Oh Chel you you did Chelsea. Did it say that you that she had that rubbed
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somebody wrong? Yeah, Hillary. >> Oh, you did. >> You did Chelsea. Okay.
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>> Chelsea Clinton wrote a letter to Lauren. >> And then people were saying how
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unattractively I was playing Chelsea and all I did was not wear makeup and put braces on.
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>> I was like, if you say that, you're saying I'm unattractive. Like, which
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maybe that's so, but it's like that's like I wasn't trying to make her
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unattractive >> with all that prosthetics. So, you made her look horrible. You're like, I just
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went I just washed my face and then I walked in and put a wig on. >> I just didn't wear makeup and put on
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braces. That was it. And a wig, a long wig, a curly wig. But anyway, but I understood what Hillary was saying,
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especially now that I'm a parent. Like, it's like, >> yeah, [ __ ] off, you know? I mean, don't
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play kids. I mean, that was wrong. She was right. That was wrong. >> What about when uh Farley played
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>> apology? >> Who was the mayor? Or was it whose kid did Farley play? They played him like
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such a [ __ ] jumping all over his dad and while he's giving a speech. Do you
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remember that game? >> Yeah. Was it Phil? >> Was it Giuliani? >> I can't remember.
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>> Yeah, it was Julian's 10-year-old boy, Andrew. >> Boy. Yeah. Yeah. And he would just wear
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a suit and grab and eats hamburgers and Yeah. If I was I would have been furious, of course. Uh if you had to
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watch that as your own kid. >> Yeah. We did a lot of things that we couldn't do now. You know, I was in
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Lyall Bulock, the affeminate herosexual. >> I know, but I can't People mention that
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to me so often. I mean, people love that. That describes the type of person and behavior that is recognizable that
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hadn't been labeled yet. I mean, like that was I mean, at least in a pop culture sense. So, I feel like that and
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I think that's true. That is true. There are people who are feminine and heterosexual who are men. That's a true
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thing. I mean, like, >> right. >> I don't even Why I don't see how people
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could be offended by it. >> Well, what I found out later that that uh pained me was that I think it was the
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mixer in the booth. The gentleman at the time was gay. And when that sketch came
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on, he recused himself. >> Oh, really? >> Someone else worked the lever. So, and
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>> why does he think that being um affeminite mannerisms is um pjorative towards a gay person? I mean,
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>> right, you it goes both ways. You're right. >> You know, like I guess I don't Yeah, I
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find it hard to understand some of the stuff that people object to. But anyway, >> uh I'm with you. We're we're comedians
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and we're not very offendable and we want to say the thing you're not supposed to say. It's just instinctual
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and do the thing you're not supposed to do. And so we're not normal. And then
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but that one I couldn't do today. And I did an Asian character too. Um we're
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making our making our way to a character called Pat too which is has had a resurgence in notoriety in the last few
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years. I mean there's been a lot of talk about >> You're way ahead of the game on that.
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>> Or behind. >> Or behind. That's right. >> I Yeah. I mean I the thing for me is
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that I always thought the joke was mostly about the people who were around Pat who were so flumx who were so so
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freaked out which I thought was >> Christine and I at the beginning because
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we wrote all those sketches together >> Xander >> Christine Xander is we said at the
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beginning the jokes are not on Pat the except that Pat looks weird and drools and is annoying but it's not because of
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people aren't gonna laugh at Pat for Pat's androgyny. What we're laughing at is the
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people around Pat that Pat's androgynous. So to me, >> it makes them frustrated.
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>> Yeah. And so, but that's a subtle comedy thing, you know, that people Yeah.
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There's people Yeah. There's a lot of people upset by Pat. And >> it's Yeah.
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>> And the truth is I wasn't thinking of androgynous people as an SNL audience.
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You know what I mean? I was doing a character like we're laughing at this idea.
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If I if I thought the audience was filled with androgynous people, I probably would have played it a little
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differently. You know what I mean? Like we didn't think of those people as our
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audience. But now you would. Now you would. >> You would be aware of them. But then I
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to me to me the character forget that it's Pat and no one knows whether it's a
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man or a woman is just a funny character. >> You know that's what I mean it the way
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she moved, the way she talked, it was just a funny character. >> Goofy. I guess if I did it again, I
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would make Pat more enigmatic and make it clearer that it was about the other people and not Pat. Almost more Charlie
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Chaplaines, like just people not talking much, >> just just about everyone else's
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reactions. >> But anyway, no one's asking me to do that. So, >> no, it's never too late for a It's uh
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Pat two, you know. I think it's time for another one. We do it for 8 million at
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Warers. Oh, wait. Let me tell you the saddest story. >> Okay. Oh, now I love it. I was going to
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I was going to New York and I was going to go to SNL and bring my daughter who hadn't g I guess we've gone twice in her
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life, but this was one of those times and the Supreme Court had just had a case where they had brought up Pat at
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the Supreme Court during the case and Alito didn't know who Pat was and then
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there were these jokes about it and Lauren and I had been emailing each other for something else. I think I had
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to get permission for something. Anyway, we had had this email and I and either he or I was like, "Oh, isn't that funny
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that the Supreme Court joked about Pat and who on the Supreme Court knew who Pat was or whatever?" And then he said,
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"When you come when you come to the show next week, bring your Pat outfit with
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you to New York because maybe, you know, I don't know. Who knows? You know, maybe
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we'll do something out of the Supreme Court thing." But then the actual act of
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the sad fact of me, you know, like at 58, not at really like packing my pad outfit
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in a suitcase and bringing it >> hoping hoping that maybe we do a pad sketch. Like it was really and of course
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no one even mentioned it and the whole like I had to bring the [ __ ] psuit and it was so it was such an off-hand
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comment and then I took it. I SHOULDN'T HAVE OH GOD. EVERY TIME. >> WAS IT ON A HANGER AND DID you show up
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with it on a hanger or was it a little >> Here's my outfit. >> Yeah, it's a really
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>> Was it a cold opening or is it an update piece? And everyone's like, "Is what?"
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>> No, no, NO ONE EVEN MENTIONED IT. AND THEN IT WAS LIKE IN front of my husband
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and daughter, which we all just took carry on. It's like, "No, I have to
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check my my Patrick." >> And then and THEN IT'S LIKE, "OH, WELL,
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I GUESS I I really didn't need to." >> How come How come church lady never got
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together with Pat? If I was Pat, not on church chat. That seems like >> I know. We should have done that.
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>> God, >> I always travel with my Tom Petty hat. >> He did it in the mutton chops, right?
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>> Pork chops. Yeah. Little chops in the side. And just, you know, you never know
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when someone's going to want it at a birthday party or something. >> Oh my god.
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when you when you came on, you um well, you started I started four four weeks of
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the end of a season with Schneider and then I think you started with Rock and Farley that that
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>> Farley was there. I came and visited the show when he did his um >> Patrick sees sketch.
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>> I watched that show from the >> audience, but I wasn't on the show yet.
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So, you came in mid-season probably, right? >> Well, no, it was just I think it was the
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next episode. >> Oh, okay. >> Maybe I knew I was going to start, but I
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wasn't in that episode. >> I came the week before to look at a show. They said, "Why don't you come
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early?" And I think that maybe what they do to us, but and and you watch it and
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going, "Oh my god, I'm going to be part of this [ __ ] It's moving so fast. I
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have no idea what's going on." >> I think it's scary watching a practice
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show knowing projecting yourself out there a week later. How will I be out there? of it just
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>> but you guys are you're because you guys go see to me it wasn't but it wasn't
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scary to me but that's not saying that it shouldn't have been scary but um I
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think because of doing sketches at the grounds like I it was just like I was in so many sketches and you had to learn it
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was very similar to being at the ground >> yeah you're right that's right that's
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different for me and Dana because we >> so it didn't seem scary I just I
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actually had the opposite like I thought as I watched it I thought oh I can do this I can do this
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>> oh good yeah >> so so you come in and you see all of So, Phil, you knew and you have great uh
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admiration for Phil and you guys were >> He's been my teacher at >> Oh, teacher.
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>> Yeah. >> God, who's better to teach? He's so good. >> Oh my god. No, he changed my life with
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his teaching. He was such a good He could really Not very many comedians um can explain why they're funny and how
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they do it. and he could, you know, >> funny thing about Phil seeing around the
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office is how Dana knows him way better, but how unassuming and how egoless and he's always thinking about other things
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at work when I'm only thinking about SNL cuz I'm so but he's so good. He would be
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like, hey, I might go fishing this weekend or hey, and then you think, how are you thinking of one other thing?
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This is driving me mental to try to but he just >> I just remember how organized he was. He
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had his folder, all the sketches, all the lines. He really made sure he knew his lines.
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>> Oh, he's so good. Yeah. >> He took it so seriously. >> Yeah. And then he was he was so
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disciplined around it and then he would have a Popular Mechanics or some kind of
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>> Motorboat Today magazine. He'd be looking at >> schematics of an Evan Route and then
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he'd put it down and then he'd go in a rehearsal scene, nail it, perfect, go
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back out. >> I think he had that red hard cover that says Saturday Night Live in the corner
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in that circle and then it was like a red hard notebook and you'd open it up.
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three ring binder and you put your That's right. I'd put my two pages of
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script for that week in there and open up a >> my update. >> It's a consistent theme with David. He
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had a rough time. >> I keep saying it. Uh and then so you got along pretty much like you knew. What
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were your first first thoughts of like an Adam or something? >> What's my first thoughts about what
00:24:05
>> about like Sandler or Farley? >> Um Sandler came a little later I think.
00:24:10
>> Oh, right. a year later. >> I think he wasn't there right away. Um
00:24:14
>> Ellen Clayghorn was with you. Um >> Siobhan Fallon. >> Yeah, I love Siobhan.
00:24:21
>> Melanie Hutzel and Beth, right? >> Beth for your season. >> Beth Cahill. Yeah,
00:24:26
>> those were kind of your primary. >> Yeah, I didn't really know Beth very
00:24:29
well. Um >> they were she was just there for one year, but um >> yeah, I mean it was exciting. I mean, of
00:24:36
course it was the most exciting thing. you're at the center of the universe and
00:24:39
you're at the top of what you would want to be for your, you know, your skill
00:24:44
set. I mean, like, IT'S THE BEST. I MEAN, IT was the greatest, most thrilling thing. I would say it was
00:24:49
completely great till the last year. And, um, at first, >> what happened the last year going?
00:24:56
>> Well, I for one thing, the sketches changed. They were more bro sketches.
00:25:00
Um, and >> who would be doing that? >> I wasn't there was no place for me in
00:25:06
those sketches. I mean like there was no and I wasn't getting my own stuff on and
00:25:11
no one was casting me and Christine had left. That was the big thing. So we had written together every week and she'd
00:25:17
gone to work on Third Rock from the Sun with Bonnie and Terry Christine Xander. >> Um
00:25:24
I just was lost without her frankly and >> and I felt like the sketches were more
00:25:30
um I remember something I mean that's my it was kind of terrible. There was some
00:25:35
sketch where they had to have a beautiful woman and I was listening to everyone talk about how none of the
00:25:40
women who were on the show could bring >> a beautiful woman and they had to bring
00:25:45
in a model >> because there was literally no one there that even with makeup and everything who
00:25:52
could pass as sexual like and so and THEN I WAS LIKE WOW I'm >> oh my god
00:25:59
>> really have I mean not that I would have necessarily been that choice anyway but
00:26:03
it's like that point of view there just was no room for me. Now looking back I
00:26:09
think I should have pushed harder of my own comedy and I should have you know should have would have could
00:26:15
have let everybody does but um >> well Xander T and the Turners who if people listening Bonnie and Terry Turner
00:26:21
were great writers together Christine Xander was wonderful so >> so having them in your corner or at
00:26:28
least a piece of it or something >> really takes a chunk away and you need
00:26:32
every piece to keep going and if you have a little bit >> slipping and I knew it would be harder
00:26:37
but I didn't know it would be devastating. You know, I didn't know that it would be
00:26:43
>> I thought >> the bottom would drop out. >> Yeah, the bottom really seemed to drop
00:26:46
out. And so there were for the first time there were sketches I shows I w wasn't even in it, you know, like
00:26:52
>> and um yeah, that was hard. It was really hard. I could hardly wait to leave at the end
00:26:58
of that year. But up until then though, it was fantastic. I mean, >> sure,
00:27:03
>> it really was very exciting. Yeah, it seemed like you I was there three three
00:27:07
years with you and it just seemed like you were really really active in the show.
00:27:10
>> Yeah. Those first three years that was a big part was my youthful enthusiasm
00:27:15
>> and also Christine >> and your >> Yeah. And who wrote the reconciliation
00:27:20
sketch? It was such a >> me that actually I had written that sketch. Well, Christine and I wrote it
00:27:26
together. Um but I had had the idea and done a kind of early form of that sketch. Do you want to describe what it
00:27:35
what it was? I mean, >> uh, well, it was Now I'm thinking, is that really true?
00:27:40
>> Well, it's the one with Alec Baldwin plays the handsome priest. >> It was Alec Baldwin came on and he's so
00:27:45
hands and you know, he's just he's like he's one of those guys who's handsome
00:27:49
and funny as you know, blah blah blah. >> Yes. >> And I was telling Christine that in my
00:27:54
Catholic high school, they had changed confession and they now called it reconciliation. And you looked at the
00:27:59
priest in a room instead of going to a confessional. And that at our high school, I went to an all girls Catholic
00:28:05
high school and the priest was Father Bolley and he was so handsome that people would get so distracted telling
00:28:11
them their sins. >> That's fine. >> They couldn't like he was so handsome.
00:28:15
Father Baldwin and then I would go in and start flirting with the priest and then it was creepy and
00:28:21
>> that I would start making up sins just to stay in the confessional, you know,
00:28:25
like just so we could keep this conversation going. >> Yeah. And so we wrote that with and Alec
00:28:31
came in and wrote it with us. I mean, at least parts of it with us. And God, that
00:28:36
was really fun. It was so much fun. >> Very, very funny. He was perfect casting. And then you were you played it
00:28:42
>> beautifully. I mean, it just >> And then the best thing about that, we
00:28:45
had written a line at the end where because I'm like, I I cheated on my diet. And he's like, well, that's not
00:28:50
really a sin. And I'm like, and then he goes, um, but I know I know what it's
00:28:55
like to, you know, try to go on a diet. um what did you cheat with? And I go, I ate a whole box of Oreos. And he says,
00:29:02
oh, do you like to unscrew it and >> eat out the creamy center or something
00:29:07
like that? And then the standards and practice is like, you can't say eat out
00:29:11
the creamy center. We suggest you say >> lick out the creamy. >> They always get it more pornographic. So
00:29:19
funny every time. >> Classic. >> Okay. >> Really? Wow. Good. >> Can you say go down on the Oreo? I think
00:29:27
that would be better. >> Yeah, exactly. >> I um this is just a a Catholic uh 202
00:29:33
story. My wife and I were married in a Catholic church. The priest, we went to dinner with him, this and that. They
00:29:39
usually have a few pops. You know what I mean? And uh my wife, >> very pretty, 23 at the time, gets up,
00:29:45
goes to the bathroom with her tight jeans. He looks and says, "If you don't
00:29:49
marry her, I will." That was that was the priest. Good night. That's all I
00:29:54
got. David >> Julia, were you there when Alec it I'm just looking at your thing where it says
00:29:59
you're a uh you brought up Alec and then >> Yeah. >> Uh it says she demonstrated an early
00:30:05
talent for mimicry. >> What is that? Is that like on IMDb or something? >> Awesome. I love it. because I didn't I I
00:30:14
by THE WAY I WAS NOT GOOD AT mimickry and people were often have you know assigning me famous people to play and I
00:30:21
I feel like I really was like C C minus at that like >> it feels like more special skills at the
00:30:28
bottom mimicry. I heard you're good at mimicry and you're like >> you're a mimic in third grade.
00:30:33
>> Do you remember Dana? I don't think Julie was there but Alex's first show
00:30:37
was my like third one and he did a sketch called the mimic unless he did it later. Oh, I think I think he had done
00:30:43
it when he came. He had already done that. >> It's the stupidest sketch. And he was so
00:30:48
funny. He goes the mimic and he pick up the phone and go, "Hello." He goes, "He
00:30:52
can do anything." And then he was like kind of bad at all of them. And uh cuz
00:30:56
he actually is good at all these accents and stuff, but they just and he dressed
00:30:59
all black. The mimic. >> Well, the classic was Frank Gorwin. He was a brilliant impressionist on Ed
00:31:05
Sullivan in the 60s. And he would do the classic turn turn away from the camera and kind of pluck his hair up and then
00:31:10
come back, which is like, "Look at me now." You know? Oh, >> I like that. I like that kind of
00:31:16
impression. >> Uh, yeah, we can do voices. >> So, Dana, do you you live in LA now? Not
00:31:28
in Mil Valley anymore. >> Um, I was just in Mil Valley. Uh, the actual address is No. Um, yeah, I was
00:31:34
just there. We have the 1912 haunted house up there and I've experienced I don't know if I believe it but
00:31:43
poltergeist up there. >> What? >> And I told Dan Akroyd about it and he
00:31:47
says I got to get someone in there to check it out. It's in one particular bedroom and at night I would hear white
00:31:52
noise cuz my son had moved out of that bedroom and moved in with his brother cuz he felt and I would hear white noise
00:31:58
cuz there was a portable radio there. So I would walk in and then the white noise
00:32:01
would stop all that was your and it happened um you know a couple times a year and I saw some
00:32:08
things. Anyway, I'm in LA. >> I wanted to know the top >> paranormal debunker in the United States
00:32:17
if you're interested. >> I don't necessarily believe in it. I've
00:32:20
had the nightmare where you feel a pressure on your chest even though you're in a waking dream state.
00:32:25
>> And that made me leave the Sanro Hotel one night with my wife at 3:00 in the
00:32:30
morning. I woke her up and said, "We have to go now." Because I felt the
00:32:33
pressure on my chest >> when I'm sleeping and bouncing up and down on me. And then I went and used the
00:32:38
bathroom. Thought, okay, that's a I was dreaming. Then I laid back down and I
00:32:43
felt like I was awake as I am right now. And then massive pressure that felt angry pushing down on me and I was just
00:32:50
couldn't move and then it released me. >> Didn't you have heart issues? Like isn't
00:32:54
that my physical explanation for that? >> Yes, I had seven stances and a botch
00:33:00
bypass 25 years ago. Look at me now. >> Those are my issues. >> Let me charge.
00:33:05
>> No, BUT I MEAN THERE'S I mean >> there's always natural explanation. I
00:33:11
mean always. By the way, Julia, I know a paranormal bunker. They should meet your
00:33:16
debunker. >> Um, Dana, I get scared at my house cuz I just moved and I don't want to hear that
00:33:22
story because I hear like clicking and the house settling in quotes. It's like
00:33:27
and Julia will say it's a house settling, which I say because I can't in
00:33:31
the middle of the night when it's dead silent, you're so scared. You're like, I
00:33:35
have to think of a reason. What's going on? Because it's always scary. But I
00:33:38
haven't felt pressure or anything like that. I would [ __ ] freak out. Oh, I
00:33:42
read >> You know what? Since I became a person who doesn't believe in supernatural
00:33:47
things like that, >> except us. Yeah. >> Um I never get scared. I mean, I get scared
00:33:54
when I think there's a reasonable chance that something's truly wrong. But that
00:33:57
kind of stuff, I doesn't even I just think there's something's making the
00:34:01
sound. >> Yeah. >> I'm not I'm not frightened of it at all. I Because I never got hurt. It just
00:34:07
flipped me out the first time, but I I don't know if I said this, but I Mike
00:34:10
Myers, who kind of read the encyclopedia as a 5-year-old, you know, nightmare is
00:34:14
is a from the word, you know, it's some medieval Latin prefix or for a mayor and
00:34:19
i.e. a horse feels like it's laying on top you and it's just a waking dream
00:34:23
state. I read about it in the New York Times. The brain disconnects. David, you're fine.
00:34:28
>> I mean, you that scared me and I've never heard about the horse part, but I
00:34:32
like it. Um, Julia, you were in Cone Heads. No, we we should You were in Cone Heads, weren't
00:34:40
you? That was sort of a sign, wasn't it? Or No, >> you weren't. >> I remember thinking I'm playing the
00:34:46
principal and Chris Farley's playing a high school student and we're only like
00:34:50
four years apart in it. That tells you a lot about um >> Yeah, that was fun. I don't remember
00:34:58
that much about it. >> Yeah, I mean, I was in it, too. Believe me, we were all in it. I think as I
00:35:03
think Lauren, you said, "David, you'll be reporting to Conheads." And I was
00:35:06
like, "Oh, yes, sir." >> Yeah. I think it was something like it was like you just were told that you
00:35:09
were going. But David, you know what I remember is that sketch you wrote, not necessarily for me, but I got to be the
00:35:15
main comedy driver of it. I always bring that up in the sketch. Remember the sketch where I go on the date and I just
00:35:20
keep ordering expensive food and then I start talking about how I'm not going to
00:35:23
put out and he's trying to push me towards the more cheap the cheaper food. Do you remember that?
00:35:29
>> I don't. That's hilarious. >> And you came to me and said, "I have
00:35:32
this idea for you. I'm going to write the sketch." And it was, >> "Wow,
00:35:36
>> I'm forgetting who the guy was." Um, but it was some handsome guy and I'm just
00:35:40
And the whole thing was like me like, "Oh, I'm so happy to be on the stage."
00:35:42
Oh, lobster and steak. That's what I'm going to get. And then it's like, I just
00:35:46
want to tell you that I don't ever have sex with anyone here. And then it kind of goes, I mean,
00:35:53
it wasn't that obvious, but it was really well written. And when people say, um, those guys at SNL, they were
00:36:00
so, you know, together and not, you know, really into the women that much. I say, David Spade wrote a sketch for me.
00:36:06
That was one of the best things I ever did. >> That's so great. I love that. And you
00:36:09
don't He wasn't even in it. He just wrote it. You know, like it was a very
00:36:14
loving thing to do. I don't know how much it meant about me, but I took it as
00:36:19
a very wonderful. >> You probably performed it great because you know good
00:36:26
and uh it's fun to have a a sketch and you got probably had the host in there,
00:36:31
but when you get the funny parts cuz it's really hard to >> Yeah. I mean cuz usually you're not
00:36:35
getting to be the driver of the comedy and you really and that this character was I mean it was really the host was
00:36:40
kind of just reacting to me and you had just written it and it was just the most
00:36:44
wonderful gift. I mean it was just an incredible thing. I and I BRING THAT UP AT LEAST ONCE a month. I'm telling
00:36:50
people that and David and David doesn't remember. >> I said that's the most baffling part of
00:36:56
the sketches I wrote. I didn't write that many. That's crazy. Well, thank you
00:37:00
and I'm glad you did it and I'm glad you remember it and say it. That's great.
00:37:05
Um, I don't want to talk about me forever, which I but I like that. >> Do you want to talk about the Not many
00:37:10
people, this will go full circle, got a movie out of a character like and you did. There was no Church Lady movie.
00:37:18
There was a Steuart Smallley movie. There was a Pat movie in the 90s. Anybody else of a character? I think
00:37:25
those were the two. Those two should have been in the movie together. They would have been great.
00:37:29
>> I KNOW IT. THAT was >> Is that a bittersweet memory or is it a good
00:37:34
>> Definitely bittersweet. I had such a good time making it. We didn't know what
00:37:37
we were doing. I didn't do it with Lauren. I didn't understand the politics. He wanted to do it. But then
00:37:43
>> Oh, didn't he own it? Didn't he own the character because you >> Oh, I was one of the people when I came
00:37:48
in, my lawyer got me to own Pat. I don't know how it doesn't even matter. I mean,
00:37:52
>> Got it. So, you owned it and did it outside the system. So I could have
00:37:56
because I had done that character at the Groundlings. I I don't know why. Anyway,
00:38:03
so he did. So it was my choice and I think I made a dumb choice not to have Lauren be the producer of it because all
00:38:12
all kinds of awful things happened aside from the fact that we didn't write a
00:38:15
good script. I mean like you know so I don't know. It was it was really fun to
00:38:20
to um do it and it was really fun to make it. Oh my god, it was so much fun and um I learned so much and then it was
00:38:30
really a big bomb and but I always felt grateful for it and um I wrote to Eisner
00:38:38
afterwards and said how I know I made it. I know I just wasted $8 million of your money
00:38:43
>> really. >> But I learned so much and had a great time and I know that shouldn't
00:38:47
compensate for it because that's a lot of money, but I just want to say everything about it was really great and
00:38:53
thank you. I'll never forget that obviously. And then he sent that letter around Disney. I was like, "Here's
00:38:59
somebody who's grateful for failing." >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> You know, Julia, I did that with a movie
00:39:05
once and I and I I think that's so cool you did that. I I felt so bad after a
00:39:09
movie. I called the guy and said, "Uh, I appreciate you doing it. I'm just so
00:39:13
sorry I didn't do what you wanted." kind of thing. And I don't think he wrote me
00:39:17
back. But, uh, I do think for myself, I felt like >> Yeah. I mean, you realize like now, of
00:39:24
course, everything's so different now, but I I don't know how I would have done it
00:39:31
differently. And maybe I wasn't really up to the task of turning that into something successful, but
00:39:37
it wasn't. And um and you know, yeah, but I got the chance. I mean, I I got the chance.
00:39:45
>> But Julie, is it hard to take a sketch? I'm sorry, >> D. Take a sketch difficult
00:39:50
>> and >> and and you've done a sketch and you feel like a lot of the good jokes is the
00:39:55
reason the sketch is doing well. And then you you're not really starting from
00:39:58
scratch, but to fill the whole movie. >> No, I think it is. I mean actually it
00:40:03
wasn't until late I didn't watch all the Charlie Chaplan movies till um much
00:40:07
later in my life and when I watched them I realized not that Pat is any the character of Pat is anything like the
00:40:15
Charlie Chaplain character but that the way he was en enigmatic and let everyone
00:40:22
else be reacting to him while he was doing physical things would have been the way to I think it could have
00:40:27
succeeded but I didn't know enough to know that >> I was in some very shitty movies, but I
00:40:33
never felt like I was driving the boat. But I do think that funny with the sound
00:40:37
off, like if the sound broke on a Pat movie, it would be nice to think it could still work. But that to solve that
00:40:44
dilemma, especially, you know, Steuart Smaller, these are quirky characters. They're not I think Wayne and Gar just
00:40:49
follow Bill and Ted and they're like dudes, you know, party on. They're very
00:40:53
accessible and to make Pat Yeah, it could be a challenge because such an eccentric character, but usually it's
00:41:01
audio. It's sort of like a more for adults and Wayne and Gar could be for adults or kids, you know,
00:41:08
>> they can get into it too >> mostly because it's like very >> but you know Steuart Smallley I watched
00:41:13
I did I when I lived in Chicago for 10 years and I was helping to teach at the Herald Ramos film school they have this
00:41:21
film program that I was teaching a I was really not teaching it was a friend of mine teaching it but I kind of helped
00:41:27
for one semester and we were watching some Harold Ramos movies and he directed Stuart Smallley and so we watched it and
00:41:35
you know what it w I liked it. I thought it was a successful film. I you know I mean it it was it's it's a really quirky
00:41:44
movie but I was really unlike Pat when I watched the Pat movie I was like yeah this doesn't work. I mean this really
00:41:50
didn't work. But Stuart Smallley I thought worked. >> Yeah. I mean Harold Ramis is so
00:41:54
talented. I think uh I was talking to Al Franken I think he's going on Fallon
00:41:58
soon and I told him he should he should do Steuart Smallley even for the young audience and and hold Jimmy's hand make
00:42:05
it all about Jimmy um you know good enough strong enough you know that kind of thing. So,
00:42:10
>> oh my god, you know, I almost canceled myself except that no one cares if I'm
00:42:15
canceled. Um, >> uh, because after Al Franken's debacle and demise from the Senate, I was so
00:42:23
angry and upset. I was so angry I couldn't sleep for a month. I was so angry. And then I wrote a oneperson show
00:42:31
about it and did it for like five Saturdays at the Groundling Small Theater until people came up and said,
00:42:36
"Julia, first of all, this isn't even funny in any way. It was just me. I WAS ALL I DID
00:42:43
I WENT THROUGH ALL THE ALLEGATIONS. ALLEGATION NUMBER FOUR, you know, like I was I was crazed with anger at how the
00:42:53
Me Too movement had been twisted up in the worst possible way to go after this great guy in my opinion and complete. I
00:43:01
was so angry, you guys. And then I had somebody come and say, you know, you'll
00:43:05
never work again if you open this show cuz it's really just even though I'm a meto supporter, but in
00:43:11
when it came to Al Franken, I just could see how that all that [ __ ] went down and
00:43:15
it was [ __ ] And it was and then people weren't talking to me. And then I finally just dropped it because I
00:43:22
couldn't make it entertaining enough. really was a show of me for 90 minutes
00:43:26
talking about each allegation against Al Franken and why and my bulletin board and this and why and why and why and um
00:43:33
and I had to stop it. But I think that's when I really had got went over on the
00:43:37
other side of the culture because I felt like okay >> this I'm so angry about this. It's so
00:43:45
unfair and and yet the culture is, you know, I'm not I can't influence the
00:43:52
culture and I'm just going to wreck my own career and health over it. So, I kind of just dropped it. And then I also
00:43:59
realized I didn't really have the standing for anyone to care um about it, you know, what I thought
00:44:06
about it. So, I couldn't really even help him. And then later I finally saw El Franken. And then I realized he
00:44:12
didn't really care if I was doing that either. Like >> I was like, "Oh, I've just been doing a
00:44:18
oneperson show about you." And he's like, "Oh, oh, thanks." >> You don't have to. It's kind of scary
00:44:24
cuz anybody if someone from high school said I looked at him wrong in 1973 or something.
00:44:30
>> Exactly. >> And so it's like, whoa. I mean, you know, there's there's the other the the
00:44:33
big players, we don't have to name them where it's pretty obvious. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. There was a lot
00:44:38
of people that maybe behaved a little borishly or something, but to be cancelled for life is just a bit much
00:44:44
for >> No, it was really that was really Anyway, I didn't mean to take us into
00:44:47
sad territory, but that was really really really just [ __ ] got my goat. I just
00:44:54
couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. And I wanted I just couldn't I
00:44:59
couldn't think of anything else. And it took a long time to just accept that's
00:45:04
how life goes in an unfair way sometimes for the some people and that's how it's
00:45:08
always been. I mean like not for everyone obviously not for everyone but sometimes you're at the wrong place at
00:45:15
the wrong time. It's I kept thinking it's almost like there was a huge pile
00:45:19
up on the road and Al Franken was driving on the outside of the road and his fender caught it and he just caught
00:45:24
up in it. You know, like >> one one thing about Al, you can rest assured he's he's uh very resilient,
00:45:30
obviously, and a tough character. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no. When I saw him, he's
00:45:34
already had a million ideas. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. I have a I have a gear change
00:45:43
question for Julia. >> You have a what? >> A gonna shift gears. >> Okay. Yes. I'm sorry.
00:45:48
>> No, I don't care. >> We love all We love all of it, our listeners. I just before I got off I
00:45:53
wanted to ask you if you it I read that you felt badly that you might have cracked up during motivational speaker
00:46:00
and I never thought of that of you. I never thought anything negative about that. I thought
00:46:05
>> I did I did I do have a problem controlling laughing during SketchUp. >> I didn't never think that of you. I
00:46:10
thought I I [ __ ] that sketch up. Me and Christina ruined it. But we were just laughing which didn't really ruin
00:46:16
it. It was just it just it was so rare to happen. Yeah. that >> it was really just seeing the funniest
00:46:21
thing and you knew that it was going to live forever and you're in the middle of
00:46:25
it and you have the best seat in the house and I can't stop laughing like I God that was good
00:46:30
>> Farley in that character I said it on another podcast I think that's the most
00:46:35
>> I don't know most potent thing someone's ever done maybe it just the way he
00:46:40
squatted >> and got ready for his next line it's very crisp moves they were just it was
00:46:45
like it was like chaplain s he's just going to get squatted get set with his
00:46:49
body before he Yeah, I I that might have broke me if I was in it. I think >> I also Yeah,
00:46:54
>> Phil might be the only one that didn't laugh. >> I know. Phil was so good. He could
00:46:58
really I couldn't control it. I couldn't control myself. I >> We all started to break. And that's the
00:47:03
problem is that we and back then I think they do it more now. They crack up a lot, but
00:47:07
>> we It was definitely a no no. And >> no, it was terrible to do that. You were
00:47:12
being like, "Yeah, Carol Bernett show now." >> Yeah. We didn't have as much fun as we
00:47:18
could have had, you know, cuz I was just thought you get fired. I mean, when Phil
00:47:22
finally broke, >> Phil finally broke doing Tonto, Tarzan, and Frankenstein. And he's Frankenstein.
00:47:29
He crashes through the thing or whatever. And then that first time, Phil broke. Phil was done fire bad.
00:47:38
And then he was I was toast. And I thought, "Wow, this is amazing. Is he going to be in trouble?" There's always
00:47:44
fear on that show. >> Yeah, there was. I wonder what it's like now cuz I was thinking, you know, Lauren
00:47:48
is so much older now than the people who are performing than he was from our age.
00:47:52
You know, like for us, he was kind of an older guy, but now he's a >> much much older guy.
00:47:58
>> Yeah. 76 and then a new cast member is like 22 and they're chatting about
00:48:02
comedy. >> That's a whole different feeling. I mean, >> I wonder what it's like. I don't know.
00:48:08
>> The the meetings are like, who's your favorite rappers, rap singers,
00:48:14
>> right? Is Dr. Dre really a doctor? >> Does anyone know? >> Please.
00:48:22
>> I think um they always seem to find a way that show to find great people. You
00:48:27
know, Chris, >> you know what? You know, it's an incredible success that I didn't it's I
00:48:31
didn't think I thought, oh, it'll go for a few more years, but you really have to
00:48:35
hand it to him. I mean, like, >> it's really incredible. He is the show
00:48:39
and he never panicked because there were so many years of like we got to do it taped or we got to change the name and
00:48:44
change the band and he knew he had an incredible brand >> and he just stuck to it and like I Steve
00:48:50
Higgins said Lauren wrote the constitution >> of the house and then he let it's a it's
00:48:56
liquid form it can be whatever it becomes because now going full circle with women they play a lot of men on the
00:49:03
show >> you probably would have done George Bush or Ross Perau >> yes well the The reason I played Pat at
00:49:09
first is I was trying to play a man, but I didn't feel like it was very um convincing. And so I thought, oh, I'll
00:49:16
just make a joke that you don't know if it's a man or a woman to kind of cover
00:49:18
for my lack of acting ability. But now I probably wouldn't think that. I'd think
00:49:24
I could just play a man if I wanted. Julia, can we just get a because we need something to trend, you know, we're
00:49:29
we're behind smart list. Uh but we're getting close. Um, do you in inside your
00:49:35
mind, have you ever thought to yourself, was Pat a man or a woman? Just internally to yourself, do you know the
00:49:43
secret? >> I'm sorry. >> There is no secret. >> There is no secret. You You
00:49:48
>> I wish I could. So, you had a little sound bite you could use out there, but
00:49:52
I was lying. >> Making fun of sound bites. Here's a sound bite. Church lady wasn't
00:49:57
religious. No, I don't. We could have done a church lady becomes an atheist. That would have been funny.
00:50:03
>> Oh, >> I do think church lady with Pat would have been perfect. You know,
00:50:08
>> you know what I think is that they just live together and you just don't ask
00:50:12
questions about that relationship. >> They moved in together. You think >> I just think it'd be funny IF THEY JUST
00:50:18
LIKE YOU FIND OUT THAT THEY lived together for 35 years in separate rooms, you know? But
00:50:23
>> it's just curious just says we anyway. That would be a thing. We like to get dressed, don't we?
00:50:29
In our clothes. >> Well, we have our special clothes on that fit us in a certain way, so we
00:50:36
can't tell quite what we are under that. Anything else for the lovely Julia Sweeney to ask
00:50:43
her. >> Um, so you guys are both mainly living in LA now. >> I'm living in LA. Are you
00:50:50
>> Yes, I moved back from Chicago. And okay, because I bought a house in 1992
00:50:54
that I thought was going to be a starter house, but it's an ender house >> and um
00:51:00
>> prices have gotten pricey. >> No, cuz I couldn't afford to live in
00:51:04
this neighborhood. There's no way. >> No chance. >> Um so now we're my husband I I just
00:51:08
married about 15 years ago and my husband and I >> 15 years. Yeah. >> Yeah.
00:51:13
>> Yeah. He's a good guy. Go ahead. >> And he we're remodeling that house. It's
00:51:18
a small house, but it's perfect for two retired people. >> And um so we're remodeling it and we're
00:51:25
living next door while it's being remodeled, >> but it's supposed to be done in about a
00:51:29
year. >> It's supposed to be done in 10 and a half years. So are you >> Yeah, it takes a while.
00:51:35
>> So when it's done, I WANT TO HAVE YOU GUYS OVER. >> That's more like it.
00:51:38
>> It'll be really pretty and we can sit in the backyard and um I'm a good
00:51:43
>> I would love it. Will you invite us? I'll go. >> Do you have my email or Greg will give
00:51:49
it to you? >> No. Greg, you'll give me both their emails. >> Yeah.
00:51:53
>> I think I saw you David at um somebody's who was it some a party. Anyway,
00:52:01
>> David at a party. >> Yeah, that's crazy. >> Oh, Dana. >> Those are the good old days. But I still
00:52:08
go out if it's someone's dinner or some small thing like that. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what I used to have big
00:52:12
parties all the time. I used to have a Sunday night party that was huge every Sunday
00:52:16
>> when I was young. >> Yeah. >> But now I like >> 4 to 8. Small, the right people, nice
00:52:23
food early. >> Early early is the key. I like to eat. >> I eat I like to eat at 4 or 5.
00:52:30
>> I eat at 5. And so I would have an adult. >> We're on the same page.
00:52:36
>> Yes. >> Yes. Early fun. Maybe Sunday 4 to 8. Boom. Get in, get out.
00:52:41
>> Yeah. Maybe four to seven. >> And you're an atheist, so you won't
00:52:44
care. It's a holy day. Sorry. >> I am too. No, I'm an agnostic. I'm
00:52:50
pretty sure I'm not an atheist. I don't know. Whatever. Joke to come. >> Julia, send us a mass uh email and uh
00:52:58
yeah, get Dane and I on. >> Julia Sweeney, one of the alltime great cast members of Saturday Night Live.
00:53:04
>> Thanks for having me. It's really nice to see you guys. >> And when your house is done, we will we
00:53:08
will see you. And if we don't see you then, we'll see you at the 50th. And my
00:53:11
hair is going to even be more weird. >> You think they I guess it's pretty close
00:53:15
to that now, right? >> Oh yeah. >> 2025. >> I'm going to get a few little things
00:53:22
done right as I right before I go. >> You know, the last one I really cared
00:53:25
about being there and it was really important for me, my identity that I was on SNL.
00:53:30
>> I'm in such a different place now. I don't even know if I'd go cuz I just
00:53:33
feel like gh Yeah. Okay. >> I know. I want to fly. You just Yeah, I know. You kind It's It's a It's really
00:53:40
It's really about Lauren, you know, kind of. >> Well, no. I mean, it is fun, but you
00:53:44
don't It's not like you can really talk to people. I mean, like, you just kind
00:53:48
of be in the Okay. Anyway, >> you're going, "Hey, hey, there's there's
00:53:51
there's Bill Hater or there's there's Melanie Hutzel." Yeah, I know. It's
00:53:54
everywhere, but nowhere. I like a small party, six to eight people. >> I think instead I'll just I'll have it
00:54:00
after you guys go. I'll have my dinner party and you'll >> tell you all the juice. Yes.
00:54:04
>> Yes. >> Juice it up. >> All right, Juicy Sweenie. Okay, honey.
00:54:08
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00:54:13
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