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You know, KBY, I I wrote the book >> specifically for the church lady. I may take a nap during the podcast.
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>> That's what most of us, >> but out of uh out of respect for you and
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Spade. The last time I saw Spade, we we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. You know me, I've been on every arc show
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a million times. I'm banned from them now. Now they want to hear about me. Tina Fay hates me.
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Gina hates you. >> Hates you. >> Hold on. >> So does the blonde.
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>> The cuddliest cuddly bear. >> Amy Polar. >> Oh, so does the blonde. Me
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>> hates me. >> Dana Bill O'Reilly is on today. Bill O'Reilly.
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>> Bill O'Reilly >> who is interesting guest for us. A little different off the beaten path. Uh
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friends with Dennis Miller. That's where I met him. Uh >> Billy >> and has books out, lots of books out.
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He's a very much a thinker and a doer >> and he says he's an independent. I mean
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a lot of people including myself were thinking oh you're a obviously right uh
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politically and he says >> that was kind of shocking. He really what we talked about was his latest book
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was about the history of kind of evil people like Angus Khan and stuff >> and it's a very easy read but it's
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really informative you know how much you know about all these you know Napoleon or all these people who did evil things.
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>> Yeah he does >> Napoleon was in there >> a deep knowledge of history. We didn't
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really get into too much politics, but which is good. You know, we just talked about the books and about Dennis and
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about He does love comedy and so I thought it was a nice chat. >> Yeah. And he he does talk to Trump on
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the phone twice a month. So he says uh some some insightful things about the man who occupies the White House.
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>> Yeah. >> If you're interested, I think it'll be fun to listen to.
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>> It's a fun listen. And here he is, Bill O'Reilly. >> Bill O'Reilly.
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>> I feel like I'm on your show. This is really funny. You You've got a nice
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studio tie on >> now. I'm watching you guys here. >> Can't hear me. Can't hear us.
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>> Yeah. Spade looks like he's in a bat cave. >> You look like you're in Bali, Indonesia.
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>> Yes. Yeah, >> you got to have plants in podcasts. >> Yeah, absolutely. Cuz most people you're
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interview are potted plants anyway. >> Oh my god. >> Two in a row. How old are you?
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>> I'm 17. Um, this will be And thanks for having me on you guys. I really
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appreciate it. >> We're excited to talk to you. You're never ever boring ever. Well, you know,
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that's uh probably true, but I know that you have access to the Kardashians and
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you know, I'm very very flattered to be here. >> That's right. We do. By the way, I'm
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really enjoying your book. Let's just start with this because I have a lot of
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other questions, secular questions about society and all that. >> Sure. Sure.
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>> But I am really enjoying it. I'd recommend it to anyone. Confronting
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evil. I'm a I'm a casual history buff, but you realize you don't really know. I
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love the way it's written. I I uh read Genghaskhan first. It's very nice and tur sentences. It's
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very clear. It moves. It has a thesis and they tell you what they're eating and how they're sleeping. So, I'm just
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really enjoying it. I read Mau this morning, so I'm in a very cheerful mood about the state of humanity.
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>> You read all the fun parts first. >> It's you. It's bite-sized chapters,
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quote unquote, and you can go anywhere you want, but it's just the most evil
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people in history. So, anyway, that's my pitch. >> You know, Karby, I I wrote the book
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>> specifically for the church lady. I mean, Satan and I was commiserating
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with the church lady and she demanded >> that I write Confronting Evil to get all
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the evil out there. and and what the church lady commands I do. So, I want everybody to know that
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>> I talked to her before I came out. I can only paraphrase it. Well, well, well.
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Mr. Bill O'Reilly writes a book about naughty people when he could have been
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writing about himself. >> There you go. Everyone wants a church lady singer. Um, so anyway, how are you?
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Where are you in your cycle? I knew you'd be early on the podcast and you seem to have unlimited energy.
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>> So, what are you are you going to take a nap after this podcast? >> I am. I may take a nap during the
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podcast. >> That's what most of us, >> but out of uh out of respect for you and
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Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. I don't know whether I don't know
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whether he remembers it. We were one of those big stores on Beverly Boulevard. >> Oh, it was Barney. Yeah. Yeah. He he
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stashed a little shirt in his uh in his uh sweatshirt. I think I had some silverware in my pants. Um and we kind
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of just ran into each other >> right on the stairs. I knew I had up to $1,000. So there nobody cared. I ran out
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of there. Uh no, Barney's closed. It was sad. It was sad. I couldn't waste money
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anymore. >> Uh >> but anyway, uh you know, my cycle is interesting. Uh I'm kind of a little bit
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like you guys, but uh you're much more talented than I am. So what we do here
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uh once I left Fox News >> was I said, "Look, I'm going to I've
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been working for corporations now for 42 years, >> and I'm going to do it on my own now. Um
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I'm going to go out." So I I I did three corporations, one TV, one radio, and one
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books and internet, social media. And I took five people from Fox with me and then we grew at 60 people work for me.
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60 now. So I'm like 87 years old, which you could probably see. And and my friends are all driving around in carts
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and playing pickle ball. And I said, "Are you really hitting the pickles? I
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mean, what what are you doing? What is that?" >> Yeah. But I'm working like a sherpa. I
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mean, I would rather be taking luggage up the Himalayas than doing what I'm doing now. Sometimes working for someone
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is okay, but sometimes >> Yeah. But at least I'm calling my own shots,
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>> you know. >> Oh my god. >> Well, that trend has only accelerated
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exponentially since you started and Glenn Beck and then everybody else and Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they
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create their own ecosystem and there's no difference and everybody's watching
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everything on YouTube and so I mean to me to not for you to have a boss >> doesn't seem correct. Well, I never
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really had one other than but there were some big boys like Run Aridge. He was the guy that started Monday Night
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Football and Howard Coell and then it was Roger Als. These were tough guys. They were like Michaels for you guys.
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>> Sure. >> I mean, you could go up against them, but you better have your stuff together.
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Um, but I was never a corporate guy. >> So, I stayed at Fox for more than 20
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years, bananked a lot of money. Uh, and then I said, I'm going to try to do this
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on my own because of the technology and it's worked great. And and not only that, but the freedom that we have
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because you're in the same in business now. >> Um, is just for me emotionally
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really a boost. That's where I get my energy. So, I was in LA uh over the weekend with Mah uh and his Dopey show
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>> and uh >> you know, he he works for HBO. >> Now, he's got autonomy like crazy. He's
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been there 23 years. He can do pretty much what he wants to do. He's got, you
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know, a thousand writers and all of this, but he's still got that corporate structure. you know, he still has to go
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to the meetings and stuff like that. And uh you know, I'm saying, "Hey, Mark, you
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you probably make more money just doing this on your own," which he's starting
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to do, >> right? With Club Random >> with the podcast he's inching over.
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Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But he could do the same kind of show himself and Yeah. So, I'm glad I was
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around long enough to see this happen, you know, because going on a traditional talk show, you get the Q&A up front, the
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host is feeding you, you know, and now it's just we're this is like green room
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stuff. We're just getting to talk to you unfiltered. >> Are you guys amazed though that in our
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lifespans, I'm older than you, but we came up in the what they call the golden
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era of of TV, linear TV. Are you surprised at the the changes and and how fast they came in,
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>> David? >> Yeah, I am for sure. And I'm also surprised uh it's also hard to stay in
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the business in any way, shape, or form because it goes it it switches over to Tik Tok. I mean, I was on sitcoms for a
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while. There's not many sitcoms being made. Uh there's a lot of people doing
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it the do your do-it-yourself way as you're talking about. Some it works, some it doesn't. But if you have an
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audience, hopefully they can find you and you can get a bigger piece and call the shots. I I I look at that Jimmy
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Kimmel situation. There's definitely two sides to like having a boss and saying
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what you want to say. And unless you are the boss, it just shows you can't always, it's not like real freedom of
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speech. It's more like we have to keep it within reason for advertise. There's
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always sort of a boss, right? Unless you're doing your own thing. Yeah, absolutely. And not only that though, it
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weighs you down. >> Um because YouTube in particular are creative funny guys. I'm I'm more of a
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journalist kind of give me the facts and all that, but when you have to when you're being secondguessed,
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>> all right. Yeah. >> Uh that kind of emotional stuff cuts into the creativity because if you're
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creative, >> you're gonna make mistakes. you're going to screw up. Sometimes it's going to
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fall flat. But in order to get the big hits, you got to try stuff. And all the corporate suits ARE LIKE, "OH, NO. WE
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CAN'T DO THAT." >> But Kimmel and Colbear and I I know all these guys and I
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>> Yeah, >> you you know me. I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from
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most of them now. Not everyone hear about me. Okay. >> John have a nice >> You have to be banned from some. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. that changed and and it's it's a bad change for America, but once Trump
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came in, uh if you didn't hate Trump, then you were banished. I was on a view
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like a dozen times and you know mixed it up with the ladies and it was you know when Barbara Walters around was good but
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once they started to really hate Trump and I was talking to Kimmel through one of his friends and I said look
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>> it's okay to make fun of Trump but if you hate him if there's just blood
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dripping from your nose >> sure >> you're alienating 50% of the country you
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know don't be more get them if you not all right but don't be hateful about it
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that is what has changed >> my philosophy is to be funny first because that's the way I was you know
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raised on comedy be funny first if you make a point within it but if it's just
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the goal is to teach uh as a comedian I don't really like that style personally
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>> yeah it's hard what happened is that and I'm partially responsible for This I never forget I
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had I I had Ted CPP on the factor >> and CPP looked at me and said you ruined
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television news and I said thank you. >> Thank you. It needed to be ruined
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because pinheads like you were excluding half the country. >> All right. We couldn't
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>> sure >> you couldn't get their point of view because you guys are sitting in the
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ivory towers in Manhattan. So I'm glad I broke it down. But then what it went was
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in when again Trump comes in, it's they were making money hating him and they're
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making money like him. And that's where it all broke down. >> So now when people turn on linear
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television, they expect to get propaganda on one side or the other. And then the social media, at least some of
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us, and I include you guys in that. We're not interested in making money hating or loving somebody. We want to be
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entertaining and informative. And that's why I think we win. >> Yeah. Um, I'd agree with that.
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>> I agree. >> I just have to tell you, Dana, there's something I'm excited about.
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Now, you remember we talked about Jury Duty, the show? >> Oh, yeah. >> Season one. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. >> And that one I saw it on Tik Tok >> and then it was kind of a word of mouth
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thing. It It blew up. It was funny. >> And uh it actually all pulled together,
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which I was shocked they pulled that thing together. >> Uh and I was like, I will they do it
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again and they did. >> And cool. I think that's very cool. It it was set in a courtroom the first time
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and uh >> this is going to be a company retreat. >> H yeah. >> Yeah. Jury duty presents company
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retreat. It takes this groundbreaking social experiment >> out of the courthouse. Stay with me
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Dana. >> I got it. And drops it into the most relatable setting ever, the company
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corporate retreat. And if you've ever survived that awkward team building exercises or a trust fall with
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co-workers, >> you you know the vibe. >> Yeah. I mean, this is an inspired idea,
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I gotta say, after jury duty to put it in a company retreat. This season follows Anthony, a real temp hired by
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Rocking Grandma's Hot Sauce for their annual retreat. >> Right there. They should figure it out.
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Rocking Grandma's Hot Sauce. >> Yeah, I know. Except he has no idea the
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entire thing is staged around him. It's It's a workplace comedy means hidden
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camera. And uh it's unpredictable. It's authentic. It's so full of heart. The
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stakes are higher, the laughs are bigger, and it still celebrates the goodness in people. And here's the wild
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part. Rock and grandma's hot sauce. They're actually making it. >> Okay.
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>> And the flavors will be available on Amazon. >> Oh my god. I wonder if they started that
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first or if they >> they just made up that name and then it sounded funny. And but it's going to get
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a lot of attention. But you know, this thing, >> I'm kind of glad they didn't do it in
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the courtroom again because someone would figure that out. I would think. >> Oh, I don't think they could do it in
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the courtroom. I think that company retreat is uh the next best one. Yeah, >> it's hard to think of where to do it,
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but they did a good job. So, looking forward to that. >> Me, too. Watch now on Prime Video. For
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comedians in the last seven, eight years, it's been very, very touchy. And uh you did sort of start to say to
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yourself, well, I can't say that. And I don't really I'm not X-rated or
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anything, but even certain kind of takes couldn't do it. X-ray is better than
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having >> Well, let me give you an example as an outsider >> and then I'll give you an example.
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>> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, I'm watching you on SNL with Biden.
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>> That's what I was going to bring up. >> Go ahead. >> It's brilliant. I I mean, I'm on the
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floor. I'm on the floor. Okay. But I like you anyway. I like both of you or I
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wouldn't be here. So, I don't do podcasts with people I don't like. So I'm I'm going this he look but it
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wasn't malicious. It wasn't Alec Bowwin like if I could beat his brains in I
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would. >> No, you were just being >> you're making fun of him. >> All right. Well, but I know that
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Saturday Night Live got some blowback from it. What are you making fun of? Biden for you know and and that's the
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problem. You've got SNL now knows its audience is 90% liberal. So they're
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feeding them that stuff. It's still funny. All right. But they're feeding
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them that. >> But I think it got to the point where they were allowing it. You could make
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fun of Biden because after that George Clooney article, it started to switch and then it was like, well,
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>> okay, Dana. >> Yeah. in the sand because Lauren had asked me to do him when he was still
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going to be the nominee or you know and I said okay I'll try you know because I
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knew it was a slippery slope and he had to thread the needle even if I was in a club or doing it anywhere and then he's
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not running anymore and Camala's in there and that's when I emerged but I
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when I came out the first night with my Rudolph I was ready for maybe a heckling
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you know so I had it loaded in my head in case someone heckled me I'd say get
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your facts straight Jack. You know, I wanted to just get back at him, but it just started with this. And this isn't
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political. He would say these nonsequiters. This was the hook, folks. Guess what? And by the way, the
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fact of the matter is, no, I'm being serious here. I'm not kidding around.
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So, that was like a little song for me that didn't make a statement, but I felt
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that he was underserved, if you could say it that way, in the satirical department during his tenure. whether
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whether a president deserves it or not, you feel like it's it's a good sign of
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people are having some fun with the guy who was in charge of our country. But it
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was uh it was fun to go in there and do that. And the audience at that point accepted what I was doing. And I don't
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really actively hate anyone I do. Like in my heart, I hate this person. I'm going to do an impression.
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>> You would be the exception. I would >> because I'm really easy to hate. Um, and
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that is uh that is a fact. The other the other aspect of of what you guys do that
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intersects with what I do is that you have to be honest about it. So, I like the guy who does Trump now on SNL, the
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I've named >> James Austin Johnson. Yes. Right. I like him >> because he's a pro,
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>> but and and he gets his lines in, >> but he he doesn't drip of malice.
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>> Okay. He you can see that he he's doing his job as a comedian to deliver funny
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lines. >> There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. >> It's just what it crosses over into the
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destruction. When I went out to LA this weekend, I had a person walk up to me at
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uh the HBO studio and goes, "Oh, I was so happy to have a Republican guest."
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And I go, "Well, who's that?" >> Looking around, "I'm not a Republican."
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>> And the person was like shocked. I said, "I'm a registered independent. What I'm
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trying to do is find a best problem solver for the country and that's who I'm going to get behind. But I'm not
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going to, you know, I am a traditional American. There's no doubt about it. I
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like all that. Uh I think that's why we're the uh most powerful nation in the
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world that's ever existed. And that's one of the reasons I wrote Confronting
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Evil was because we have evil in America. And I want people to know about it. And I write about the slave traders
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becoming the richest men in the world >> by doing this horrible stuff in New
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Orleans and Virginia. And then I write about Rockefeller and JP Morgan who are, you know, Wall Street icons to this day.
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They were rotten bastards. >> Okay. And Teddy Roosevelt took them out. >> Yeah. Um, and and so I'm I'm the kind of
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guy that that isn't an ideologue, and ideologues bore me to death. >> I just it's just the same stuff over and
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over and over again. The propaganda stuff, I hate it. >> Um, >> well, I think it's smart to be
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independent because if you if you say you're right, everyone just thinks so far extreme white supremacist or
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whatever the labels are. And if you say you're a Democrat, they think so far
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left. So there's tons of people that are still in the middle that want to think
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clearly and just sort of go case by case, issue by issue. But if someone gets a whiff, you're one side or the
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other, it's immediately a problem or not. That's that's affecting everything.
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When we say we're not political, but it affects the dating world. My friends are
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saying they go on a date and they're being felt out to see what they are right away to know if it's going to go
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any further. It wasn't like that in the old days. It's it's come into talk shows
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and everything that and comedy that wasn't like that. Now it's >> sort of infecting everything and it
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really splitting people up. >> Even families. >> Families for sure. >> Yeah. I mean Thanksgiving coming up, you
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know, and it's like, okay, here's Uncle Fred and he's a commie and I'm going to
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hit him with the gravy. >> Uh so even >> here's Uncle Zoran Mandami at dinner.
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Let's see what what happens. One of the reasons uh I put that knitw with uh uh
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Dennis Miller on my show. >> Finally, >> the one and only Dennis. >> Oh my god,
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>> what a brain. >> I I I remember going this is the greatest story.
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>> So I always liked uh Miller because Miller to me took no BS from anybody.
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>> Okay. And I know that to be true. So I went into Roger Als and I said this was
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right after Miller was on CNBC and he had a monkey on a show. I don't know whether you guys remember that.
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>> Yes, >> he a monkey. A real monkey. Okay. On the show. >> His name is Gleo,
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>> right? It was inexplicable. There was no real reason to have the monkey. But then
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there was a monkey and the show did not do well. Okay. >> That was that was the jump the shark
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monkey. Yeah, the chimp didn't quite uh his trainer overfed him, you know, and
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he likes next thing I know I'm at an 0.2. All right. >> So, I knew Miller a little bit and I
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knew how brilliant he was. >> Brilliant mind. >> So, I went into Al's the head of Fox and
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I go, "Uh, I want to put Miller on the air." And he goes, "Why?" He wasn't he
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the guy with the monkey? I said, "Yeah, we won't release the monkey." That's now
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his thing. >> But Als worked at CNBC, so he knew. But I said, "We're not using a monkey. We're
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just going to use Miller." All right. Just once a week because I want to get a
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totally unpredictable take >> on the country, on the world. >> Very true. Yeah. You'll get it
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>> right. >> Yeah. >> And it worked. It worked great. And it would just boom. It blew up. Everybody
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looked forward to it. And then Miller and I went out on the road. >> The road. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that.
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>> Yeah. And phenomenal >> huge audiences. Huge. I know from Dennis.
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>> Yeah, we did. >> We did. Well, the the only uh shows that I did that were more successful, the
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four I did with Trump, >> which were unbelievable uh about attendance and and uh grosses and stuff
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like that because that was after he lost the election. Even though he'd never
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admit he lost it, he'd lost it. Um u and we went out to the uh arenas and we did
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a history thing. But Miller's uh to this day uh the way he can analyze stuff, he just cuts right through the
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garbage and gets right to the essence of how absurd it is, >> which is what I was looking for.
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>> Yeah. >> No, he's he's amazing. I mean, his quote at the end of the day, it was like,
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Jesus, all I'm trying to do is keep half my money and kill the bad guys. All
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right. You know, that was like a nice tight way. >> Now, you guys, you got to tell me
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something now. >> Sure, please. >> I tried to drag Miller to the anniversary show, which I was invited
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to. I don't know, was it 30th or 31? Something. >> He wouldn't he wouldn't go to the SNL
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anniversary show. >> So, I did a skit for them. A What up skit? Is that the Keenan?
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>> Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. >> Oh, you were in that? Uh, I was in that
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and I said and then and Michaels was kind enough to invite me to the show. Nobody would sit next to me. So I I had
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the big road to myself. >> Was this the 40th or the 50th? Which which which 10 years ago?
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>> 40th. >> 40th. Yeah. >> And I and I go, "Miller, you got to come
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to the SNL reunion thing with me. Come on. Be huge." And he wouldn't go.
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>> I'll send the monkey. Do you guys know why I wouldn't go? >> Um,
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that's a tough one. >> We should have him on right now. I I >> He wouldn't tell me either.
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>> Yeah. >> I I said, "Mill, there's got to be a reason."
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>> I know he doesn't like tons of fanfare, but he's kind of private, quiet. I don't
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know. I I thought it was that he was shooting um he was shooting the Bordello of Blood 2.
00:25:58
>> Dennis was surprisingly >> good in that movie. >> Yeah. >> Surprisingly brilliant.
00:26:05
>> He brilliant. But I I think with Dennis, like I always say, of a single update guy to the
00:26:13
camera, you know, there's always the first guy, Chvy. I think Dennis is the best to do it. There were teams of Tina
00:26:19
Fay and Jimmy, but I think Dennis is the best. >> And then he was sort of other, you know,
00:26:26
he was considered a conservative in Hollywood in a certain way. So I don't know, you know, which was unfair because
00:26:33
I I see him as an independent like you. He just absolutely, >> you know, he's not an ideal.
00:26:38
>> All you need is to give someone a whiff and then word spreads. >> Yeah.
00:26:43
>> And that's what happened with him. Yeah. >> Nor McDonald was was very good. Um way
00:26:49
ahead of his time. >> Yes. >> Um doing weekend update, >> right? Time never catch up to norm.
00:26:57
>> There's an example of you're on a show and your boss doesn't like you, Don
00:27:01
Olmire, and you get fired. >> And it was ridiculous. But that being said, I understood uh the
00:27:09
animists. >> Well, it was norm bananas. >> You tell him not to do any jokes, he's
00:27:16
going to can't not do them. >> Yeah. How can I not do it? You'll get
00:27:20
fired. I get that. That's where I could not do it. >> Here's my uh Norm story. My 16-year-old
00:27:25
son at the time, Norm is playing Long Island out in Huntington, and we go to see him. And uh Norm and I had a very
00:27:34
good relationship. Uh so we went backstage. So he he looks at uh my son and he goes, whose name is Spencer, he
00:27:41
goes, "Spencer, I've got one piece of advice for you." My son's 16. And he
00:27:46
loves Norm. >> What's that, Mr. McDonald? Don't smoke crack. >> It's not a bad nugget
00:27:54
>> of all the advice. >> Yeah. >> That's very norm. >> You start with the softballs.
00:28:01
Right. >> Yeah. >> And then my my sons look at me like, "What? What?"
00:28:07
>> Yeah. >> No, there's only one Norm and one Dennis. Those guys, you know, fantastic.
00:28:13
>> And I was and I was privileged to to interact with both of them. I I have to
00:28:17
say uh because what you guys do is very very difficult. >> Thank you. >> No, it's it's the hardest part of show
00:28:26
>> uh because you got to be on it all the time. expectations are through the roof
00:28:31
>> and uh you gotta perform. You got to come through. It's like hitting clean up
00:28:35
for the Dodgers. You know, if you're gonna ground at the double blaze, you're
00:28:37
a ga be there long. >> Tina Fey said that once that just every time you go out on a talk show as a
00:28:43
comedian, you feel you have to kill. >> You have to kill. >> And if you don't, then you blame
00:28:49
yourself because who else is there to blame? >> I blame the crowd. Yeah. >> Tina Fay hates me.
00:28:55
>> Tina Feay hates you. hates you. >> Hold on. >> So does your blonde.
00:29:00
>> The cuddliest cuddly bear. >> Amy Polar. >> Oh, so does the blonde. Me
00:29:05
>> hates me. >> Not right. >> Oh, Amy. Yeah. >> Hates me to the extent that it's funny.
00:29:13
>> I could see that. Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh boy. This is the worst. Here he
00:29:18
comes to the Neanderthal of all time. Here he is. >> Oh no. Do you your brain do you get your
00:29:26
feelings hurt? Are you a lost ship at sea or have you gotten post any of that just knowing where or is that just your
00:29:34
nature from >> childhood? I mean you >> take a lot of hits like Trump takes hits
00:29:41
it just keeps going. >> Listen uh I've been friends with Trump for 35 years and he's the only human
00:29:47
being I know who can take more garbage than I can. the guy is like he's like
00:29:53
boom. >> I couldn't take 1% of that. >> It's a Star Wars shield there.
00:29:58
>> But when you were raised in Levittown like I was >> and in uh post World War II when there
00:30:04
were like uh 80,000 kids on the street and your parents didn't want you in the
00:30:11
house or why don't you go it's 14 below zero. No. No. Here's some ear muffs. out
00:30:16
of here. >> I didn't care what it was. >> When you're out there with that many
00:30:21
kids unsupervised in a working class ghetto, which was what Letown was, >> you're fighting all the time. I mean,
00:30:30
you're ranking people out. Your mother is this, you're that, you know. So, by
00:30:34
the time I was 16, I was numb to all of that. >> Now, I have a list of people who were
00:30:41
untoward toward me and my family. There is a list. Yeah. All right. But usually the
00:30:48
other stupid stuff I just swat it away and so does Trump. >> That levit sounds like Instagram
00:30:54
comments in real life. >> People People People People People People People People People People
00:30:57
People aren't used to that. They're not used to the world of that in your face.
00:31:02
They hate you. And not just online. >> We had to fight, but I didn't get to 63.
00:31:07
When did you achieve your height? always I was always a big boy as an athlete and
00:31:14
that saved me. >> I played four sports and then I'd be in a penitentiary. In fact, when I go back
00:31:19
to my Levittown neighborhood because I live fairly close there on Long Island, uh people go, "How come you're not in a
00:31:25
penitentiary? We we the overunder was you were going to be in there by the time you're 22."
00:31:31
>> Oh, right. Nobody saw you being a huge success. >> No. >> Did Did you ever get Billy Joel in a
00:31:37
headlock? Yeah. Did >> you ever get Billy Joel in Thanks for bringing that up. So Billy Joel Town,
00:31:43
too. >> Yes, I know. He wrote the song. >> Yeah. >> So he lived in the Hicksville section of
00:31:50
Levittown. I lived in the Westbury section. Letown was so humongous. They divide up the four um post office. And
00:31:58
that's why Al Franken was calling me a fraud. Oh, you were up in Le Town. All
00:32:02
right. Yeah, fine. Okay. Uh Al, by the way, is in prison in Burma right now. So, you haven't seen him around, it's
00:32:09
where he is. >> Um, >> we know all these people. >> Yeah, he's on the list. Uh, so anyway,
00:32:17
>> Billy Joel and I would cross paths with same age in the summertime up what they
00:32:24
call the green where there was no air conditioning. Nobody had air conditioning. 11,000 112.
00:32:29
>> No [ __ ] >> He had his crew. I had my crew and we'd all go up there at night and sing.
00:32:38
Everybody would sing ac cappella. >> Oh, the Jets and the Sharks. >> So, yeah. So, Billy Joel, it was August,
00:32:45
middle August, 95, was wearing a leather jacket. Every night he'd be wearing a
00:32:50
leather jacket. He had the slick back hair. I go, "Hey, Billy, it's 98.
00:32:55
>> Why do you like the cigarette walking in?" So I kept in touch with him all
00:33:02
these years. Um and >> I like he's a good guy. I mean absolutely a lot of these rock people.
00:33:10
>> I mean you know >> he has no pretense. Billy Joel no overt ego at all. He talk to anybody. Yeah.
00:33:19
>> Super talented though. Super >> good guy. >> So about 10 years ago I invite him to
00:33:25
dinner over my place. So he comes with his wife and my two kids are there and we sang a song at the dinner table. So
00:33:35
in love by the times he was the lead I was the backup. I thought my daughter was going to have a heart attack at what
00:33:44
like this and her comment to her friend her comment to her friend goes Billy Joe
00:33:49
was at my house. I don't know why he likes my father, >> my own daughter.
00:33:58
>> So, are you a good singer? I mean, I know you're probably not going to
00:34:02
>> carry a tune. >> I can I can So in love, too. That you know, I can do that,
00:34:10
>> but he's lights out. >> So, if you're smart, >> all you do is
00:34:17
>> do I do that's all you do. >> Yeah. support the the genius. >> Stay near Billy. Yeah, for sure.
00:34:24
>> I want to get your hot take on a couple things. >> Yeah, let's get some tail.
00:34:27
>> These are these are secular things and that's when you go to like an apolitical
00:34:31
thing. Okay. Um AI afraid of it. We're trying to make this superbrain, these data centers. We need
00:34:39
a superbrain to solve cancer, solve these things. Excited about it. Hot take. >> Yeah, I'm a ly number one. I don't know
00:34:48
anything about any of that. Um, but >> it's inevitable and I'm going to accept
00:34:54
it. But it will never replace me or you because AI is not going to be born with innate talent.
00:35:05
>> Keep that in mind. >> Okay. >> We just need it to process a billion
00:35:09
bits of information in a billionth of a second and tell us >> how to make fusion energy. Uh, Bitcoin.
00:35:16
Got it. Oh, sorry. David, do you have a question? >> I had one. Okay. Is >> No.
00:35:20
>> Who's >> I got my money under my bed. >> Okay. I don't
00:35:24
>> Are you just in bonds? You're not a stock market guy either? >> No, I do. I My uh my um financial
00:35:31
advisor, Swifty. Um we we have a nice portfolio. >> We believe in capitalism and we've done
00:35:40
Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you think Gavin Newsome will be the next president?
00:35:46
of Bolivia. Can't be can't be president for one reason. The hair. >> Look at all 45 presidents. You can't
00:35:58
have hair like that. >> And I said that to Mars. I said, "What you have in common with Newsome is the
00:36:04
hair." >> Oh, I saw that. Yeah. >> Guys got the hair. >> You can't still have a modeling comp
00:36:08
card. >> You guys both live in California. >> Yes. >> So, you know.
00:36:15
Yes. >> What went on or what goes on out there is going to be forefront. I don't think
00:36:20
Governor Nuomo has a chance stand up to the his record in California. >> I personally don't agree with all these
00:36:28
policies because it's kind of affecting me. But when you go on the national scale, sometimes the other states don't
00:36:35
really care. He >> Yeah, but he's so out there and he's adopting a lot of the Trump tactics, a
00:36:42
lot of the uh >> he has done the memes and stuff. Yeah. >> Yep. Yep. He's doing that. So, I think a
00:36:49
guy like Wes Moore, the governor of Maryland, probably got a better chance uh because his record is stronger than
00:36:55
Newsome's record. >> Yeah. And there's also the voice and he would be Gavin, what you call a
00:37:05
pretty boy, you know, >> he's a little pretty. >> Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter if you're
00:37:11
pretty or not, although Abe Lincoln certainly wasn't. Um, but actually Nuome's tenure
00:37:19
really did Spade and I a favor because in California you can shoplift and nobody cares anymore. So when we were
00:37:29
Yeah, I did not agree with that policy. Is that a weird thing to say? It's like,
00:37:35
>> do you think their nominee would be more toward the middle or more toward the
00:37:38
left? >> Toward the middle on the Democratic side because people are tired of the lunacy.
00:37:44
They were every single day. Give us a rest. Um, and I when I speak to uh President Trump, which is, you know,
00:37:55
maybe once every two weeks or something, I go, "Hey, you take a couple of days
00:37:59
off, you know, just >> Yeah. Just relax a second one." >> Yeah. Yeah. It just weighs everybody
00:38:05
down. >> How do we process that energy? He's 79 and you can't keep track. He's in Malay.
00:38:12
He's flying all over. I mean, what is that about? >> Hardest working president. in history.
00:38:20
Okay. The and the laziest president was Warren Harding. >> Of course I say that every day.
00:38:26
>> That's true. 1920. >> Unbelievable. >> That guy ribbon.
00:38:33
>> If you do another tour with him, will you call it? We'll do it live. If you
00:38:37
don't call >> you guys, I know you're trying to make fun of me, but that's okay.
00:38:40
>> No, I like that. It's the coolest thing you've ever done. >> You guys can open.
00:38:45
>> I'd love I'd love to. How's the green room? >> I love it.
00:38:49
>> Here's a question. >> You like diet cokes? He drinks a dozen diet cokes a day.
00:38:56
>> I know fish McDonald's golfs a little bit. Ever ready bunny sleeps four, five
00:39:03
hours a night. I mean, I'm just trying to >> minutes a night. Not even
00:39:07
>> I have to keep my phone on. This is true because he comes in between 1 and three.
00:39:14
>> Oh, O'Reilly. You know that kind of thing. loving what you're doing. You're
00:39:18
tremendous bill. They're after me. We got a lot of policies. We're going to do
00:39:23
a bill. But anyway, a lot of people, you're a historian and you have 17 books
00:39:27
killing everybody. Lincoln, whatever. 20 million. I mean, you're an author as
00:39:32
much as you are anything as far as the sales are extraordinary. I'm just saying, not not trying to kiss your ass,
00:39:39
but you know, it is amazing what you've done. And people now think no kings like
00:39:45
okay so break it down for us. If Trump was to become a dictator in the next three years what are the steps he's got
00:39:53
to make pretty soon to achieve that. >> Well first of all the view ladies would
00:40:01
be incarcerated. Uh that would be let them run around anymore. You know, I put a I put a chapter in uh Confronting
00:40:10
Evil about Henry VII, >> Confronting the >> to show everybody what a real tyrant
00:40:16
king is. >> I know. >> You didn't want to date Henry VII. Okay. No. And if if you're trans, you didn't
00:40:24
want to be in the country. Um you did not want to be around Henry. Um and and thank you for bringing up the books. We
00:40:31
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00:40:39
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and it just the filth and the disease and just the darkness of all of it is just always a reminder that we are here
00:44:03
in America. Obviously, there's people suffering, but yeah, you know, modern medicine and you can go to the grocery
00:44:09
store. Most people, I mean, it is a good check because I've seen people in the
00:44:13
street with a latte and their iPhone. I hear them talking to their friend. Oh my
00:44:18
god, this is the worst time to ever be alive. I'm thinking they should read Confronting Evil,
00:44:26
>> you know? >> Then they jump into the Prius in Valet Park, >> right? Americans lack perspective. And
00:44:35
so confronting evil is all about look, we are not a perfect country. President Trump is certainly
00:44:43
um not a perfect man, but and that's a big but. >> Most Americans are decent people. About
00:44:52
15% of us are evil. That's my uh what I put on that percentage. 15% of the whole
00:44:58
human race is evil. They'll hurt you if they can. and they like it. Putin, that's why Putin's on the cover of the
00:45:04
book. He likes certain people. We don't have a lot of that in our leadership. Um
00:45:10
Trump sees the world very black and white. >> You're either with him or you're against
00:45:16
him. You're against him, you're going to try to mock you or whatever. If you're
00:45:19
with him, he's your best pal. That's what he is. Not changing. But from a
00:45:25
historical viewpoint, he's done a lot of good things. and um he's done some bad
00:45:31
things too, but he is very interested in his legacy. So, he's not going to try to
00:45:37
take over in the next three years. He's not going to try to run for a third term. This is all ridiculous. But you
00:45:43
know what he'll do? And you guys will find this interesting. Every day, Donald
00:45:48
Trump wakes up for him is two hours sleep, >> okay? And his first thought is, "How can
00:45:55
I torture my enemies?" So he says stuff just to get the view ladies upset. >> It works
00:46:04
>> just to get Whoopy Goldberg, >> right? Yeah. He'll just >> They take it literally. They take
00:46:12
everything he says literally. >> And then he loves it. >> Look at this reaction. Look at MSNBC.
00:46:18
They're setting themselves on fire. Yes. And now I'm going to say this, >> he doesn't do any of it.
00:46:26
>> So, >> you got to understand where he's coming from. I did that when I was seven years
00:46:30
old, but he continues to do it. >> Like the whole Canada thing he came out
00:46:36
with, but I think it' be the right. He was just kidding. >> Drove people crazy.
00:46:43
>> He didn't like Trudeau. Yeah, >> Trudeau is a little nebish to him
00:46:49
>> and now she he's But you got to give Trudeau he's run around Katy Perry.
00:46:52
That's not bad. >> Okay. >> He didn't like Trudeau at all. >> Not bad.
00:46:56
>> So he goes, "How can I annoy Trudeau?" >> I'm taking it over.
00:47:03
>> Of course. >> Boom. Okay. >> Now, does everyone want that from their
00:47:06
president? Not everyone. >> I know. >> But but you know, we just had Biden who
00:47:10
was very quiet. So, we've got too quiet and then we got too loud. >> He was napping.
00:47:16
>> Yeah. >> And it was it was a do not disturb sign over his entire administration. I mean,
00:47:20
that's what it was. And I knew that from the jump. Uh because Biden was never
00:47:26
never a hard worker. Even when he was a senator, he was never a guy who's that
00:47:30
interested in public policy. He just wasn't. Um boy, you should talk to Barack Obama about Joe Biden.
00:47:38
>> Well, yeah. Anyway, I've read some of that. If you understand Trump, you won't
00:47:44
hate him as much. That's my message to Beverly Hills. >> That's good. I like that.
00:47:50
>> You got to think about not what he says, but what he does >> and overseas getting those Hamas guys
00:47:58
out, those hostages. >> That was one tough deal. And if he can bring in China
00:48:06
that because I was in China at the government's request over there, they were like you. Uh they asked me to be on
00:48:12
their podcast but in person in Beijing and I and I went over on my own dime. >> Uh
00:48:20
I passed on that one. >> No, my son I dragged him because he's a political science major. Uh he goes,
00:48:26
"Are you sure we know?" And I No, no. This is once in a lifetime experience.
00:48:30
you're going to be sitting across the most powerful guys in the second most powerful nation in the country and three
00:48:36
hours we did. Um, but if Trump can bring that in and calm things down over there
00:48:42
and get a decent trade deal with them, huge. >> Do you think there's any chance we could
00:48:47
create a stronger alliance with them? >> Yeah, >> because they're business people. They're
00:48:53
not like Putin's a psychopath. He wants to kill women and children. It's
00:48:57
impossible to do. >> So, what do we do with Ukraine? You have to make a deal with China.
00:49:03
>> Oh, okay. Because they're >> and I'm involved with this very deeply
00:49:07
with President Trump. >> It's triangulation they call it. >> If we can make a deal with China and
00:49:13
China withdraws its support from Putin, Putin's finished. >> And that is starting because Trump's
00:49:21
going to sell all the Anoir oil to Beijing. That means that Beijing doesn't have to buy it from Putin.
00:49:30
And there's enough up there. It's in >> Oh my god. The polar bears are covered
00:49:34
with it. I mean, it >> they're not in weight anymore. >> Here's two. You got any other Here's two
00:49:42
when I just quick takes. One is >> that these things un unachievable, impossible. What would Trump do? the
00:49:50
debt the 38 37 38 trillion and affordability is all the and that's going to take time to bring down housing
00:49:59
costs. What what is your thoughts on those? >> Well, he knows he knows after last week
00:50:05
uh that the midterms are in jeopardy. Yeah, >> he knows and his legacy depends on
00:50:12
keeping the House and Senate in November 26. So, the first salvo was I'll give
00:50:17
everybody two grand. Okay. Um, but if you look at it, if you go to bill O'Reilly.com, which is where I live, we
00:50:26
earn that money because Trump wouldn't get any of these tariffs if not for US
00:50:31
consumers buying the stuff from China. So, what Trump's doing is basically charging an admission fee for all
00:50:38
foreign nations to sell their stuff inside the United States because we buy more than anybody else by far. Mhm.
00:50:44
>> So, it's us that are making people want to send stuff here and Trump is
00:50:49
exploiting that. >> And that's the kind of commentary I do every day on billi.com.
00:50:55
But it's going to be very difficult to force people to lower their prices. When
00:51:02
I was in LA, the hotel I stayed at was charging $36 for a cheeseburger. $36 for a cheeseburger. So I went out to
00:51:11
In and Out and I got 14 for $36. Sure. >> You know, and I brought them in and gave
00:51:18
them to all the bellhops. I said, "And I don't buy that stuff." But
00:51:22
>> to go in it though, don't. So you can't charge that. So it's a very very
00:51:27
difficult thing. I don't know whether the Republicans are going to be successful. However, the Democrats don't
00:51:34
have much and that is the Republicans's big advantage. Well, the terms of leadership policies
00:51:42
or whatever >> when you say the Democrats don't have much need their policies, a leadership
00:51:49
um >> all of it across the board. You you said a $ 38 trillion debt. Well, what do the
00:51:54
Democrats want to do? They want to spend more and more and more and more and more
00:51:59
and you can't. Now, >> if you try to lower it, how do you get reelected? I mean, it's a very difficult
00:52:04
thing for both. promise every Mandani just got elected comm and he's a communist he's not a socialist and uh
00:52:12
free bus rides for everybody and the governor yesterday goes well we don't have enough money to do that it's $800
00:52:17
million a year to give free bus rides to everybody and New York state is already
00:52:22
like California in deep in debt where are they going to get the money and all the rich people are moving out they're
00:52:28
all going to Florida or wherever and um where you going to get it so that's what
00:52:34
I say the Democrats can't continue on this and then they got the woke stuff and then they got this stuff and you
00:52:41
know if the Democrats had a guy like JFK, not IRFK Jr., no. All right. But RFK senior,
00:52:51
>> they'd win. >> They had a charismatic leader like Trump, big win.
00:52:56
>> So they're looking for that guy. Yeah. Well, good looking. Uh, you know, Co
00:53:02
Bear turned it down, but um, >> um, anyway, this has been a pleasure. I mean,
00:53:11
>> very, you're never boring, like I said. And, uh, Bill O'Reilly.com
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>> and the No Spin News podcast, you're everywhere. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we're all And I really appreciate
00:53:23
you guys reading uh, Confronting Evil. Um, and I hope people will check that book out. But you learn a lot and it's
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it's fun to read. You know, I hate to use the word fun and evil in the same thing.
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>> It's fascinating. You these names are iconic. Gangask, whatever. And then
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you're into the detail of how they got so evil, how they got their power and
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what happens to them and the people who risk their lives to take them out. So that it it's just stories that are
00:53:51
fascinating that happen to be kind. >> I'm glad you guys liked it. I just want
00:53:55
to say I've always admired your talent both of you. Um that whole crew uh with
00:54:02
Miller and Norm and you guys. I mean it was just >> that was just a highlight of American
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television and it was and I uh I'm pleased to be on with you and thanks for taking the time.
00:54:13
>> Thank you. >> Thank you Bill. Appreciate it and we'll talk soon.
00:54:15
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