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oh David do you ever notice how women we're going to talk about Bob onakirk women have this this empathetic gear of
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going ah you know what goes up at the end a man might see a puppy and go ah but a
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woman goes ah and that's the woman you want when you have a rectile dysfunction
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ah yeah that's all I got [Laughter] sometimes when it doesn't work I go what
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did you say I know well you got to give me a heads up at least 48 to 72 hours and then I'll start prepping things
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there's medication well that would be one of our sponsors see Alice they'll
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figure it out uh guys get to Bob odors so funny yeah we were there he was a writer when I was there yeah Dana was
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there wrote in some of the hugest sketches I mean obviously motivational speaker is the big monster arguably one
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of the best yeah of all time Ryder and very he was uh because he was riding there and he wasn't really performing
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much and then of course later on he does you know yeah he's better and now nobody
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it becomes this movie star later in life but he was very enthusiastic he'd be
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like Dana it's so funny oh and I wrote a movie with him called Tucson John Lovitz was a western sheriff and
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Balderdash well I was a uh innocent Irish guy coming to town to be the new sheriff and he was the mayor and he said
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and he was on he was he was on a hangman's news yelling at the crowd and there's a sign his campaign for to be
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re-elected was if I don't clean up the town you can hang me so it was very mob
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anyway you can cut that part out uh Bob was great and uh we had a great time there talking to him um also yeah he's
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done all this stuff and he's such a good laugher and he's very he's a cheerleader
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he really helps when you're writing he helped me a lot with Hollywood minute
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um and he's a great guy I'm excited uh I'm always excited to see him when I see
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him out I always light up around a dude like that he he just uh he's one of those he does really cool stuff like the
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Bob and David show was just very uh Mr show Mr shows I saw it a couple twice I don't remember the name of it but the
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show show I've I thought it was the Bob and David show that was more of a literal thing that it was literally
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their show so I was halfway there but Mr show was great very low budget but so esoteric that was huge before Breaking
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Bad I mean that was a huge another feather in his cap do you have any feathers in your Hilt
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um there's so many fabulous I don't know how to count them oh too many feathers no but then he he
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was kind of struggling a little bit his words um and then Breaking Bad and then Better
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Call Saul so and then the now he's an action star I I think he's the nobody is
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a movie we're talking about and nobody's really tall and I saw it yet when you
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say nobody but yeah nobody is really cool and so he's great in that so um we
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will Deep dive on our friend Bob owner Kirk [Music] is that Bob Bobby's Clerk how do you spell your name
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broken door how do you spell it oh okay e n d o r f o Ken Fort Oden dwarf Dana car keys oh and Kirk Bob do they when
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you were in grade school did they do something with your name and make fun of you because I had Dana car keys drove me
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nuts uh no uh they called me they called me Odie oh yeah Odie I think I called you Odie it makes sense
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oldie you know what it took me weeks to come up with that but I went over your name back and forth you ran it by a
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couple seven-year-olds yeah I called him Captain Kirk back in the day because he was he was Odin Kirk
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see that's all we got thanks for coming on the cap that of anything you guys I
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love your podcast thank you I can't tell podcasts are the place I go to to hang
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out with my friends now that's the that's why I did this because I I I don't get to have dinner with friends
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I'm kind of an introverted person and I stay inside a lot so I'm in my room
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right now even though this is really like do you know you're broadcasting from the CNN headquarters this is left
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over from The Drew Barrymore show yesterday and we thought should we keep it I go
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Bob will smile like he is now so I can get rid of it but let's see uh you had
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Drew on no yeah and then we went on her show and she does a weekend update type segment we were zoomed in and this was
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the background so look how happy Bob is he's really thinking do you have any
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questions for Drew Bob no no they we have to do some uh how housekeeping oh wait I have a great I
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have a great beginning ready here we go Robert John Odenkirk was born in benren Illinois to Barbara and John then you
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got SNL Wikipedia there is to it that's really a big jump I'll get well it's
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that's all that my little birdie told me at this morning at a given point he said everybody knew
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Bob Odenkirk was the funniest guy in Chicago someone told me that today when I was doing my research at some point in
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time his initials are rs oh geez Robert Robert thought that Robert about that but I don't think anyone else thought
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that and uh what did Chicago vote on that I just said it was it was knowledge according to pick someone else uh yeah
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uh Larry uh Larry uh oh what's his name he's a stand-up in Chicago very farly
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[ __ ] no he was actually really funny the Cable Guy comic who did Zanies all the
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time um doctor I should know Chicago guy and it never never left the Chicago circuit you know
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what was really funny is a guy named Mike Toomey uh also a Chicago who just stayed there we had will Durst yeah we
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had San Francisco you know yeah yeah just they like it yeah some people don't
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want to Branch out they just they do well there they make money there and they just stay that's right that's right
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and then and it's okay I like the town they get plenty of work they get married
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and have kids and they and they don't go crazy like the rest of us and they're
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local Stars right they go on the top radio show anyway Bob how are you how are you this is what I would ask you if
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we were at a restaurant I'd say Bob how are you yeah um just generalized so good because I'm
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talking to you guys God that's the best answer I've ever gotten thank you I
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really I really love that you asked me to do this and then I get to hang out with you because it's true it's like I
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listen to podcasts to listen to my friends talk I to hear their voices and uh because we don't get to do anything
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either because we're working or covid [ __ ] us up for two years or you know
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or you know his lives he gets separated by having families and yeah and stuff and uh it's just a really wonderful
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thing to get to just hang out with people and I've been listening a lot to the Gilbert Godfrey podcast which has
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been so so entertaining even though I didn't know Gilbert very well um but a lot of people I do know are on
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that you know and um he just was yeah you know uh but Gilbert we you know when I worked with
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the funny boys do you remember that the comedy team yes uh Jim Valley and Jonathan schmuck both funny on their own
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and they wrote together and performed and so they were the guys that got me in The Improv Louis got me in The Comedy
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Store and I didn't make it I was 20. and the funny boys got me the Improv and I
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did make it and uh when and I stayed on Jim Valley's couch and then he goes I'm
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leaving for a week but someone's gonna stay here and I go and it's like hello
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it was Gilbert Gottfried in his underpants and he just sat eating Cocoa Puffs and I had a roommate for a week
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and I did I was like who's this man like I didn't you know it's very weird to
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live with someone you don't know and uh so I don't know him well like you Bob
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but I did get to spend a week just hearing him then I'd see him out and about and he was so you know I just
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saying what everyone else said very very interesting brain and uh it sounds like
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interesting God very funny Gilbert would share some certain sensibilities Bob you
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know the way he deconstruct I mean his his Andrew Dice Clay bit is bad and prep they were just so funny
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and he was just yeah I mean I certainly appreciated the hell out of him you know
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he was uh I only would see him around in New York actually and you probably did too at clubs you know when I did SNL you
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guys probably don't know this but I would go because you probably didn't
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even know I did some stand up once in a while but I would do Sunday night at The
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Improv which is not a you know it's kind of a sad club but it for me for me it
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was like I just get a couple laughs and it just was like it made me feel so much better after my
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week of getting the [ __ ] kicked out of me and just to even get a few laughs on
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that stage meant a lot to me it like charged me up for the week ahead and uh and so I would see him and Larry David
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and and those guys around that club um yeah it was it was interesting well those are hard earned laughs I mean when
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you're by yourself and you walk up and just get a couple laughs or is that means a lot yeah yeah and uh but it it
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gave me a little boost that I needed um and when stand up is giving you a boost you know you're in a hole
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Dana this is stupid but and we'll get to Bob in about 40 minutes but what I did
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is I used to I would come from Arizona and they said I was a stand-up and my buddy said uh you know this guy Gary
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Grant that can book you gigs so I'd fly the crumbiest airline I'd stay at
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Columbia with my friend I would take my suitcase with props oh yeah and I would get my New York coat in quotes which is
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my heavy like you know like winter coat I would never wear in Arizona looked like a dust dry it looked like Young
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Guns so then I'd walk to the subway take the subway to 44th Walk The Improv wait
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until they assign me some comedian I remember this guy was 36 and he had a Nova and I go if I'm still doing this at
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age 36 please kill me because I was 20. and then we drove to like BF packies or somewhere in Jersey this is how you did
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it I do a set bomb I would get maybe 60 bucks come home maybe spring is too late
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and scary to the subway and do that for two weeks and I'd I'd clear 500. uh and
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it was great but I got to see The Improv and I thought the Improv I'd always meet
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at The Improv was the point um but I it was so I I always heard about it and I go in the stage is like
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four inches high it's like not that big of a deal no one in New York yeah you
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know what was interesting about that when I first went there was they had that wall of photographs uh when you
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came out of the the showroom into the barn and in those photographs were stuff from the 60s and 70s
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and there's Andy Kaufman and there's you know um probably Jerry Seinfeld's up there
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Richard there was a guy juggling and there's a singer and uh and I asked uh I
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don't know the I don't think I asked silver who ran that club at the time but I asked uh
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probably the bartender or somebody what's with the singer and what what is this juggler doing and and they said
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well that's what the club used to be that's all clubs used to be is specialty
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act singer yeah uh or music and then a comic and Sullivan and yeah and then it became and then the stand-up comedy boom
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hit and it was like everybody get the [ __ ] out of here it's just stand ups
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it's just then you had like Peter petovsky there was like guys that were juggler comedians magic Comedians and
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they kept the comedy part and it's probably easier to get on stage you know I think it probably there there's some
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value to it in that you know if it's just one comic after another it's like
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if there's just something between the comics that can kind of clean clear the
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palette a little bit with it's kind of a I don't know to me the issue I had and I
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write about it in my book which is why we're talking right comedy comedy comedy
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drama I'm halfway through this is great fascinating I hope you like it Dana I
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just got to the comedy comedy I have my own lane of this life we've shared together and then where we intersect it
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was so cool I just have great memories of you and we wrote a movie together which you primarily wrote but called
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Tucson and uh well I remember Tucson that still is a great really funny script oh yeah uh thanks Dana I think so too I
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think it's a great scenario that you cooked up which is that little guy in the west and the Irishman yeah Irish men
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with good with his guns but just sweet as hell and so the opposite of Clint Eastwood just the very polar opposite of
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a Clint Eastwood character and uh so um what was I saying just that yeah you remember the first scene I thought it
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must have been it's so you oh what well I think I come to town I'm from Ireland
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yeah and Lovett's is is got a hangman's noose around him and there's posters he
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was running for mayor and the posters said if I don't clean up the town you can hang me and then love us was the
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conniving oh hello well so anyway but that was but um there was a joke in there Dana that somebody else
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did in a movie Very in the last few years it was one of the characters was named like Clint Eastwood yeah and
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there's some his name was Clint Eastwood and uh there was so much great stuff
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when he did that joke reason you're right yeah that's or John Hamm sometimes
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when Jon Hamm is in a show they call him Jon Hamm just as on Larry David it's
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funny but yeah [Music] should we go back to and then make our way to SNL I just I I'm sort of curious
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because I don't didn't see it but what was the stuff that well you know got you
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I talked a lot about the trauma of SNL you know I I I said I was pretty easy to write about because it was so hard and
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and difficult for me personally but that's true I think for a lot of people and the story's been told many times but
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I just told my version of it um but it's such a crucible right of pressure and desire and and
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discovering yourself and and it just leads to a lot of interior trauma and then that's something to write about
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whereas you know when I got to the later parts of the book and I'm writing about breaking bad where
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well I mean there was a journey there to become a better actor but also the Journey of the show becoming famous but
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the show itself was a well-oiled machine with nothing but prose in every direction and nobody having any
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emotional issues just working really hard and supporting each other and pulling together yeah and so there's not
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much to say we you know isn't it great the writers did a great job and then we all worked
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really hard and it turned out well nothing to say and it's not like if they if someone has a good scene then
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everyone goes that guy's the best one he's the best one in that scene and the
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rest of the day you feel like [ __ ] okay that's yeah you know you're getting it
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day to day I assume like you you when you're doing Better Call Saul it's going to be great right uh yeah
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there's a yeah I mean especially over time as you the more you do it and you
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get to know the the values of the show what's good about the show and you see
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it coming across in the writing and and you know what you captured that day and think well that's gonna play really well
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or be fun to watch and and yeah it's just not this it's there's not as much to say uh as there is to say
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about Saturday Night Live where there's so many books and so many and they're
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all fascinating I love them all by the way one of the reasons I wrote my book is
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I love to read Showbiz Memoirs I just love them yeah uh and and usually when somebody gets into something that works
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and or they're talking about their hit show there's not much to say it's all about
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the struggle and the failure and the loss and the that's where there's juicy
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stories you know Dana when I got there uh Dana was uh Bob was there already seven I believe viewers yeah Bob was
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there and uh Dana was there and I came in and Bob is always uh I saw Bob more than
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Dana just because Bob was a writer with me and we were in there all the time but
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Bob's always sort of in a good mood shockingly when I look back because it's
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hard to be in a good mood of that place but always laughing always took a second
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for me uh soda Conan uh but you guys at least would explain a little bit of what was
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going on because I was really a Rube just right I was a middle act I didn't know how to write I didn't know how to
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use I didn't know how to use a yellow pad I didn't know I had a square wooden
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desk and they just down he goes here's your room bye and I'm like I don't know
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what's going on what am I doing and uh and so I would everyone has so much to
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do on their own plate you do Bob Dana does and it's hard to take a second to
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tell someone hey because it's someone that not ultimately might take her job
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but just one more person kind of in your way in a weird way and you have to put that aside for a second and be a human
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being and uh you did that it was very nice and then and now whenever I see you at a party if it's a Showbiz thing I
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don't see Dana out as much unless we have dinner but I run into Bob places and then I just beeline over to him
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because we always just start laughing within seconds and that's fun to have and we we got through the craziness and
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we're both sort of saying I absolutely buddy that's how I feel I I never told
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you this but that party at guyo Series where I met McCartney and got to sit with him for 15-20 minutes
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um as we as Naomi and I were walking in my wife and I I'm dreading going to this party because
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I'm you know 59 or at the time 54 or whatever and thinking [ __ ] it I don't I
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don't want to go out anymore at all ever and uh and I'm I'm thinking it's just
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going to be intimidating there's going to be famous people here and I don't
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know what to say to them and I turned to Naomi and I go you know what David Spade
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will be here buddy we walked in the front door and we look down the hall and there you are it
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[ __ ] blew our minds he's a man about town there was one time I went to guys I
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went to guys I didn't even go there I obviously don't go to the Oscars if I
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didn't go to Vanity Fair or anything I just went straight over to guys because
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the rock was over there and I get there and before you get in there's a line for
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the bathroom so I just stand in line for a second and then McCartney comes behind
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me and then he has a little chitter chatter and then I'm forward and then Bono comes out so I knew I was like
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again like you I don't think anyone knows what to say to anyone so yeah I do
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a few jokes that you know sort of strike out and then we all kind of Dart our eyes and then do you have something
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throughout you know Mr show or anything if someone comes up to you in an airport
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or something I assume like most celebrities specific Compliments are the most flattering rather than you're great
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you know because someone came up to me I'll just couch it they came up to me at
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an airport and they said I love skinheads in Maine the thing I did with Colbert on my show and it's so specific
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my friends share that and laugh about it all the time but you must have a hundred
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of those especially with Mr show there's so many quirkies I have uh yeah I mean we've all gotten to do lots
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of cool stuff between the three of us I've just had this the variety in my career is
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sometimes strange uh in its intensity you know because this movie nobody that I did this action movie that's like
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around the world a whole different audience that probably they've never heard of Mr Show
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some of them have seen breaking bad and they're just like a whole nother set of
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people and uh but but you know the strangest thing is is I always do have to do the math when somebody comes up to
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me of like I have no idea what you know me from what you think I did that was great and I've had the biggest surprise
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is how more than a few times a year somebody will come up and go you are so great on How I Met Your Mother I mean
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you're just the best wow and it's like wow I was on the show six times do you
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have anything like that David do you have anything probably yeah I mean there are little nuggets that I've done that
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people you know I get Emperor's New Groove and that's the only thing they
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know me from because my voice and then um you get things that are like light sleeper where I played one scene and
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someone doesn't really know you at all and they know you're famous or you're
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something but that's the only thing in your whole life they saw and and they
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appreciate it so I'm I'm happy and it's true I can sort of guess by who's coming
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up I'm guessing sort of what they know me from yeah you know what I mean and
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you you might be able to get a feel if they just say you're great I go yeah well let's now let's dig in I find that
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if someone is funny or in one scene of a movie or one part of a show if they if they catch me and really make me laugh
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or impress me I'm kind of like a fan from then on even if it's just like a
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small Cameo but Bob the interesting part of your story obviously is like we know
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where it sort of is it it went and I'm just wondering when you go we go back to 87 to 91 and knowing you and
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your work ethic you're smart so funny all that stuff like how does that guy what was the emotional I mean who was
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Bob in that those years that was so tenacious and so talented that then you went to this and then of course nobody
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is that they're going to make 10 of those that was so great for that genre uh thanks
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thanks listen first of all I gotta tell you when they finally greenlit that movie and I went to go make it obviously
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I'm thinking probably we're gonna [ __ ] everything up and it'll be a mess
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but I also thought if it works if it works yeah then the thing I'm most excited about is my friends
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yeah going what the [ __ ] yes I said it I like it it what it's like Bob is doing
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this now and it's not a one-off they are that is too good it's like too [ __ ]
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good I watch it and I go this better be exactly what I think it's gonna be and
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it was and it delivered and that fight I think it was on a bus or something I'm
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like what the fight I couldn't even do I was like I'm a bigger puss out of all of
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us and I couldn't even do the fake stunts for that because I'm I'm such a
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[ __ ] like we can't even fake do it with you yeah it's because I go I don't
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really need to get beaten up but I can't lift my leg up and kick and I might
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still hurt my clavicle if I hold this too hard so I liked it it was you and you you have to be in shape oh yeah
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thank you for that right I really pull punches to do anything I worked really hard because I knew I had a long way to
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go and I and I and I and listen right from the start I was like look if we're
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gonna do this it's not going to be ironic I'm not going to wink at the camera I'm not going to give myself an
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out I'm going to look if I'm going to look like an [ __ ] I'm gonna look like
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bad ass middle life crisis loser pathetic like what happened to you guy I'm gonna do this thing all the way or
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not at all and then if it works it's amazing yeah and if it doesn't work well
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who didn't who didn't think it wouldn't work I mean come on um but I did when do you realize it
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worked um at a test screening or at uh just rough dailies or is a certain point we
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go here's this is actually coming together covet really worked in our favor because we had a cut it was good
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but it felt kind of like an indie movie uh it was a little slow um and small and then this because of
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covid this um editor who's the second editor on the project whose name is on
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it because it should be uh said I got I got nothing to do give me your movie let
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me [ __ ] with it and two weeks later this guy wow the movie back to us and it was
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like oh wow okay wait a second and the interesting thing is he added he built the sequence that
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opens the film out of [ __ ] that was on The Cutting Room floor didn't not shot
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for the movie just thrown away what a worker and everything else in the movie all he did was chop it a little bit
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shift some of the um order a little bit not much Ollie and it was a totally different movie
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totally different experience and just work from the get-go that Titan and Brighton it was amazing with this guy
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because of you connected to the character because it does work in in the whole emotional Arc you really do
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feel simple I feel sympathetic for your character I want him to win yeah well that's actually honestly that's one of
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the things I thought I could bring to that genre so I'm yeah vulnerability genuine like
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that you bought yeah like because a lot of times you know you don't really they
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try to have it but the date Force you don't really buy it but you don't care
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if you're watching an action movie A lot of times you don't care you're like so
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what I I like this guy I like the scenario hit somebody yeah it's fine go let's see the action let's have some fun
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with it but I thought is there something I could bring to this genre and I thought
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you know around the world I'm known from Better Call Saul and that's a character
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who's getting his ass kicked in a lot of ways and emotionally getting his ass kicked
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and um and I play him and there's a sort of a great degree of uh empathy that people
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have for that guy and what the story they've Evan Schiff is the editor Evan Schiff okay came on board and and made
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that thing a beauty it's important to give credit I love it yeah and uh well
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if you're if you're bullied a lot Bob like I was and Dana was and uh those
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movies are [ __ ] I love because it's what I could never do and when you see
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like death wish with Charles Bronson he's at least a guy that's not getting
00:27:57
bullied every day because he's tough but when you see a guy like you I totally
00:28:02
buy I go all right Bob's nice guy he's out there trying to [ __ ] get through
00:28:06
the world like everybody and people just always [ __ ] they do it to me all the time and so I know Chris Rock is doing
00:28:12
the sequel but anyway um but I feel like when you when you when you see you in that situation and
00:28:20
I'm like please [ __ ] screw these guys up it's like the equalizers right right
00:28:25
and it's that fantasy wish fulfillment that I could deliver on because I could
00:28:30
really be that first iteration of the guy and you really really felt like yeah he really is yeah it's not just you know
00:28:39
um I don't know Tom Cruise with glasses on or you know or a buttoned up shirt
00:28:45
yeah I think you go into a bar or you go into someone and you say you want to see
00:28:52
somebody they don't want you to and you don't back down at all on anything which
00:28:55
is I love you just go I think it's best if you and you're like this is the way I
00:29:00
want to talk in all my whole life I just want to say listen here's what's going to happen I
00:29:05
hit you you hit the ground I hit the next guy he goes down and the guy's like
00:29:09
what are you talking about and you're like just you wait about 30 seconds you'll see how this hit goes you know I
00:29:14
love that [ __ ] so the fun of this this idea this thing I had the secret I had inside me when
00:29:22
I'm training which is like my friends Dana Carvey David Spade all these guys
00:29:28
if I get to make this and it comes off they're they're just not gonna know
00:29:34
where to turn they're gonna have to go to the hospital and get an MRI yeah it
00:29:40
definitely it was a little bit of a opening an old-fashioned newspaper Bob the owner Kirk starring in action film
00:29:46
what the [ __ ] and the picture the posters like you kind of beat up I think it was a great post what's going on here
00:29:52
yeah yeah well uh it was a great joy to make that happen and to have that come to life but anyway
00:30:02
[Music] can I ask you a personal question yeah you Janie yeah oh I I just for a second
00:30:09
because you're starting in this film and you know film and television have all
00:30:13
overlapped now it's like the best stuffs on television you're starting a film so
00:30:17
like when you're like in the 70s whatever what films uh woke you up to to film hood or show business like what was
00:30:24
a seminal film for you as a kid you know it could be for Ben Stiller it was um The Poseidon Adventure
00:30:33
for uh for uh Bill Hader it was taxi drivers it was 2001. I can tell you American
00:30:43
Graffiti oh yeah okay Ron Howard 1973 Harrison Ford yeah and and uh you know I'd gone to films you know fun movies at
00:30:54
the Cineplex and they were just building cineplexes at the time but we had an old
00:30:58
time movie theater in our small town of Naperville Illinois and I'd seen a John
00:31:04
Wayne film there on its own big technology yeah yeah Oh I thought it was the Cowboys and I liked it uh and and it was
00:31:14
great and I loved going to movies uh when I could but um we didn't go to a lot of movies but
00:31:22
going to that little old theater where you know they showed just the latest thing from the studios for a week or two
00:31:29
right um and seeing American Graffiti man that was a totally different vibe yeah than
00:31:37
every everything I had I remember it in that theater or anywhere that was uh it was uh new wave of the film in
00:31:48
America and uh it felt more real um it's uh it had a modern energy to it and uh
00:32:00
it's a very good film yeah I mean George Lucas it's really good yeah was it's
00:32:06
it's so interesting to see a movie that sort of changes the way you think and
00:32:09
maybe it tilted you towards comedy maybe not but just that's the beauty of movies
00:32:14
when they you see a bunch that do nothing and you're just sort of killing time and then one just grabs you nothing
00:32:20
like it it's it's what you want to do when you make movies you go I want one
00:32:22
that people remember right right you know something yeah that's the thing a movie can be that a TV show
00:32:29
pretty much isn't which is this kind of very core Elemental connection that just
00:32:35
gets you deep deeply it's like a it's a fable and and it's and it really uh
00:32:42
takes you on a ride I think with TV you're always no matter how well it's
00:32:48
done you just aren't as close to those lead characters you're still just
00:32:53
watching the story you can be totally wrapped in the story but you're just not
00:32:58
I don't know I feel like movies just kind of grab you and take you on that one ride
00:33:05
and you feel close to those characters in a personal way but you know I I I agree it might be the fact that it's
00:33:15
singular you know Bob like it's just you go and this is a beginning middle end
00:33:19
and you go wow and you want to see the whole thing again and TV sometimes you go if someone says did you see the
00:33:25
series I'm like oh what and they're like it's on episode four I mean you know
00:33:29
like season four you I I can't but I don't know I don't know go ahead Bob I I
00:33:34
just think the power of film more than ever now is turning off the cell phone and not being distracted because they're
00:33:40
watching something with your wife you're enjoying it and then I mean it's just it's it's a problem
00:33:46
yeah you know so the focus of a film well yeah is really strong and and really a
00:33:54
powerful experience anyway I still love TV and I love everything that we all get
00:34:00
to do and I I really I like moving around and I certainly don't think I have a career a future as a movie star
00:34:08
but I will get to make a few more movies but it's not important to me it wasn't
00:34:13
like the drive of my life I I was driven by comedy as my book really really says
00:34:19
I mean I'm really trying to warn people with that title yeah I you know I know a
00:34:26
lot of people know me I'm worn them Better Call Saul and and breaking bad but I want to say all right yeah I'm
00:34:31
going to talk about you know comedy in Chicago in 1980 uh 85 and you're probably not going to give
00:34:41
a [ __ ] about that and right you definitely have fans that don't know you from comedy at all at all at all that's
00:34:46
rare for us for you know for comedians that you have a whole huge new crowd it's it's yeah it's true and I and I I
00:34:55
want to move around between these things because that's always been the most fun
00:34:59
thing for me and that's one of the reasons I think I love sketch comedy so much is you're just jumping around from
00:35:04
different ideas different you know different tones something's really broad something's a little subtler you know I
00:35:10
like jumping around between all that stuff so how did you find yourself because not everyone if people read the
00:35:17
book but you know just quickly that Journey from I know Monty Python was a big big wake-up call for you and then
00:35:24
yeah Second City but what was it about Monty Python that's not in the book uh
00:35:30
you know what what are your even today you feel like that is the one that you and your brother Bill just went holy
00:35:36
[ __ ] yeah you know I think um you know there's a lot of comedy in the 70s that we all watched it had kind of a
00:35:45
look some of it was great you know um for sure I mean I loved Carol Burnett's show uh the the vibe with
00:35:54
those people was like joining a party that was a very welcoming party friendly it wasn't like yeah they were yeah
00:36:02
friendly and Sweden we sure needed that in my house so I love that but I think python was for me the thing that spoke
00:36:11
about how I looked at the world and it kind of put an arm around me and said yeah the adults are crazy [ __ ] and
00:36:20
uh don't worry it's you're not the only one thinking this and uh it's okay you
00:36:26
can laugh at it that's what you could do and uh and I think it's because you know
00:36:32
they're young guys they were in their 20s making that show um and they were very smart and they're
00:36:40
very silly like extremely silly but very smart yeah and that's that's the that's
00:36:46
a tough combo to get right that's the magic combination to me and uh and I I
00:36:52
just it just spoke to my the way I needed to see the world to be uh really comforted you know I mean this
00:37:02
is what all the things we do and the things that affect us on a deep level do in in whether it's a movie or a book or
00:37:09
a TV show or some stand-up Act is it makes you feel less alone you just get that feeling of I'm not the
00:37:17
only one who sees this in the world and and when you're a kid and you're 10 or
00:37:22
11 at the time I was I think 11 when I first saw python that is a crucial you're just about to become an adult
00:37:31
probably really sensing and in my house I mean life was extremely unstable at that point because there's
00:37:40
at that point five kids two more to come wow two more to come how the [ __ ] does
00:37:47
that happen when you know financially it's off the rails there's no future
00:37:53
there's no stability anywhere anywhere near you and like how in you just as a kid you know no one's
00:38:02
including you in any of that [ __ ] your parents Alec Baldwin oh boy I wish I wish
00:38:09
mine wasn't a picnic either but we've talked about this I'm sure privately but
00:38:14
it was rough but yours sounds really intense and yeah but I mean look you know it's not that special yeah I mean I
00:38:21
try to express in the book look I know my child is not special it is a very typical 70s childhood you know uh people
00:38:30
were just starting to have the word alcoholism in their vocabulary I mean there was uh you know it was just coming
00:38:39
to understand a lot of all of my dad's friends all ended up broke bankrupt divorced really and yeah he used to take
00:38:49
this out he said occasionally when he would hang out with us he would take us to his office and we'd go to lunch with
00:38:55
these five guys and they'd get [ __ ] ripped at lunch and uh and all of them
00:39:01
car crashes divorce America Playbook it was like the Playbook hey you had your car crash I'm
00:39:10
next I'm next you know yeah I remember my dad buy it getting in his car accident uh and his was a good one he
00:39:19
went through the window in his car accident yeah he went through the window and landed like 15 feet outside the car
00:39:25
oh wow I remember him looking in the mirror picking glass out of his head like even like a week later he's still
00:39:32
taking little pieces of glass out of his out of his bald head jeez yeah yeah but look the bottom line is it
00:39:49
wasn't special it was just where I was at when comedy came along and told me
00:39:55
yeah he's nuts crazy it's okay just laugh at it and and uh and Steve Martin on SNL was also like
00:40:07
a super powered rocket ship to like crazy town and the best comedy the best mix of you know amp you know
00:40:16
conceptualized uh you know like the the fast drunk Brothers like that's [ __ ] off the
00:40:23
rails stuff you know uh wild and crazy guys too wild and crazy guys um I am but they pull it off and it it
00:40:31
isn't look there there was a thing about the 70s humor that was kind of cute and
00:40:37
palsy and wasn't didn't make me happy the dangerous stuff is what made me
00:40:42
happy and uh and that's what came in came around around you know this time for me Carlin by the way your American
00:40:50
Graffiti was My Life of Brian you know really I saw Life of Brian and I was like what the [ __ ] is it I didn't know
00:40:55
anything on Monty Python I just went to a comedy and We snuck in because it was R-rated wild and it really hit me like
00:41:01
what the [ __ ] are these guys it was nothing like I'd seen and you know I don't want to harp on it but
00:41:07
I just wanted to acknowledge that Monty Python stuff did hit me also I mean I saw Animal House I saw all the stuff I'm
00:41:12
supposed to see and [ __ ] loved and then uh that was just a little different move and smart silly of course and just
00:41:19
doing stuff we didn't do here oh yeah yeah I had the same reaction all of my
00:41:23
friends loved it and you now now Bob I have to ask Bob if he wrote for Dennis because I didn't know that I don't think
00:41:28
I knew you wrote for Dennis Miller before SNL yeah before I got on as a writer I would send jokes well I would
00:41:35
send scripts to Robert here's what happened okay I was doing different crazy [ __ ] in Chicago
00:41:43
stand up sketch shows anything and Robert Smigel I'd seen his work at this little theater
00:41:52
that we all went to school at called The Players workshop and he wrote a show there that later became a hit show
00:41:59
they ran for like a year and a half and and made tons of money and uh and so I saw that show in its early
00:42:07
iteration and it was already solid it's such good writing and so strong and so
00:42:14
like it just works like I had a hit ratio of like 15 and I didn't care by the way that was
00:42:24
fine and uh and Smiggle had a hit ratio of like 90 and it was like yeah he was a
00:42:31
big slugging for a second holy [ __ ] man I don't know where that comes from you
00:42:35
know Robert says it's the Rupert pumpkin effect is what he calls his achievement as is a young
00:42:43
writer where all these years I've been pretending in my head that I was this
00:42:48
writer and I've been sort of writing stuff in my head like Rupert pumpkin in
00:42:53
his basement and then he said if you notice on the show in the movie of the king of comedy when he actually gets a
00:43:01
chance yeah and it's like just from hundreds of hours you know of doing it in front of the you
00:43:12
know in front of the wall interesting and uh and yeah and I hadn't done what
00:43:17
Robert did I think not even close to the hours he'd put in on really examining
00:43:21
writing and sketch work and what a sketch is and and uh but he had he I saw his work I
00:43:29
loved it he saw me in this crazy show it was off the rails silly stuff but I was
00:43:35
doing characters and I was my I mean the only thing you could recommend about it
00:43:39
was my commitment and my silliness I mean it was super silly and he got that I was willing to just go that far and
00:43:48
and thought it was cool and we started writing a show together and then he got hired at SNL and so here I am in Chicago
00:43:57
and he doesn't know anybody when he gets to SNL so he's calling me up on a Monday
00:44:01
and going I have these two ideas calling me again on Tuesday reading the script to me I'm going do this joke what
00:44:08
about this I'm just pitching him jokes and he had he just has a partner even
00:44:13
though he's you know at SNL new to the job and he's got someone to call and
00:44:18
work his stuff on with and work his stuff with on and uh so I'm sending stuff in he I guess he's
00:44:26
sharing it with some other writers and then I'm sending jokes in for Dennis and
00:44:31
Dennis is doing them I mean that you know what that means oh yeah waiting tables in Chicago yeah it's a crazy joke
00:44:40
on the air yeah I remember my first joke I remember delivering food to the table
00:44:46
at Ed Debevic's in Chicago and I keep checking the screen because they have SNL on you can't hear it but it's on its
00:44:53
way and there's that picture of Bob Hope and there's my nasty joke mean-spirited
00:44:59
joke from this [ __ ] kid do you want to tell us what it is the the statue the statute of limitations on
00:45:09
respecting Bob Hope for his earlier work ran out today I love it and that's the statue of
00:45:20
limitations it's all the language and you know it's like a nicely tasty funny
00:45:25
yeah and it's something everyone's thinking no one says out loud it says
00:45:31
out loud it did great and Dennis does a couple of my jokes over the next year or two and
00:45:39
Smiggle actually there was one scene I wrote that got on it was the uh Sideshow of the Stars so you know they had circus
00:45:47
of the stars and this was Sideshow this stuff where they have you know I don't even
00:45:54
remember the jokes but somebody's got hair all over their body that you didn't
00:45:57
know or something but you know sitcom actor uh uh and and Robert of course punched it
00:46:06
punched that way up uh but uh I only got that was the only sketch that I got on when I hadn't been a writer there yet
00:46:13
and then um I had that meeting with Lauren that I detailed in the book and I kind of exaggerated but the truth is
00:46:20
Dana and David I went into Lauren's office and I really did think this guy does not
00:46:29
want to ask his he's heard it enough people you know praise him he wants to if he's going to hire somebody he wants
00:46:37
to hear somebody with a critical mind some Moxie I gotta hear what he's at I'm
00:46:43
sure it's in the book well I mean I just went like uh yeah I don't know what do you think of the show do you
00:46:54
like it I don't know I could fix it it's been better it's been better for sure I mean
00:47:01
I think the earlier wow you know and and what well what what comedy do you like what do you like oh Monty Python Monty
00:47:09
Python now that was great and that was great because it was smart and silly and and they didn't have to you know they
00:47:16
didn't they knew their lines they were you know reading cue cards yeah yeah I'm
00:47:20
not [ __ ] ripping the show because thanks for coming in Bob I kind of think you he's gonna like this you know I mean
00:47:32
talk about not reading a room man holy [ __ ] and uh and the fact that he hired me is insane the only thing I had in my
00:47:42
favor was he doesn't really uh I wanna he doesn't have to examine that kind of hiring that closely I mean
00:47:51
if a couple writers want you to hire somebody you're gonna say sure go ahead
00:47:55
give them a try we can try they think they're good because he doesn't he's not
00:47:59
first how can he tell in a meeting yeah but he goes In fairness I wasn't listening the other thing I'd say David
00:48:04
is I mean Lauren loves python too oh yeah Lauren also yeah Lauren probably would say if you
00:48:12
said what's the best comedy show of the last hundred years he'd go well it's not
00:48:15
my show it's Monty Python you know and and so the fact is he probably kind of
00:48:22
well the other thing is he also knows what it's like to sit across from a very
00:48:27
nervous young person who doesn't know what to say is completely wildly intimidated
00:48:34
and he's just done that ten thousand times and probably kind of gave me a little break for that maybe sure he's a
00:48:43
he's a he's very funny also and I don't know if that always comes across and we
00:48:46
talk about him because we joke but he's very funny he's very dry and he and when
00:48:50
you can make Lauren laugh at read through it's so fun yeah when he cracks up yeah sometimes he slaps the table and
00:48:55
laughs and you're like oh my God what a home run yeah I don't I never did that
00:48:59
but yeah Bob we uh Dane I don't know if you remember when I was uh having some
00:49:06
troubles in the show and I think I would just credit Bob with uh the one in my picture in my head when I'm joking about
00:49:13
People magazine or just killing time in the day and Bob is a great laugher by the way which always helps disarm you
00:49:19
know make you feel better and sincerely sort of came up with Hollywood minute and steered it with me and uh remember
00:49:26
Bob we were thinking oh David what did I do to help you with that I just said I think what you do here back in the
00:49:33
writer's room you should just do that yes it was something that simple but it
00:49:37
made me and we were framing it I'm like could it be a show called guess what
00:49:40
remember's like guess what you're an idiot uh you know and uh and then it
00:49:44
turned into like just a series of photos which when you said that Bob Hope won that was kind of like a simple way it's
00:49:52
put you know do a joke try to think of something people are thinking everyone's
00:49:56
kissing ass to celebrities where and I I was unknown which helped you know just innocent looking that was
00:50:03
part of it that's why it took I didn't want to do it as much later because I
00:50:07
sort of turned into someone people knew and then it's then it turns meaner and
00:50:10
it was just kind of fun to take someone's legs out for no reason like hey this guy is famous [ __ ] you and you
00:50:17
know and then and there was always a reason like I didn't want to go with people more than once because
00:50:22
you know you get one freebie if they screw up and I didn't want it to be that mean it
00:50:27
was just for fun but yeah but it was a big help just the fact that you encouraged or even listen to me in
00:50:33
between we're eating Wally and Joseph's or whatever uh it was nice well you know
00:50:38
it sort of just got me thinking you know I I love to hear somebody yeah you know I've helped a
00:50:45
couple Young Talent uh groups or people to find some way forward and it it's
00:50:53
because I I know what it's like to um tread water and lose ground and be lost and and if you can give somebody a
00:51:01
little cue that maybe gives them a shortcut or clarifies what they're doing already and it's a great feeling to to
00:51:09
be able to do that and and uh I guess I've done that even more than I thought
00:51:14
but um yeah I like to do it I mean part of it is you know one of the ways that you can
00:51:23
use your skills when you've been at SNL for a few years as a writer and by the
00:51:27
time you were there I'd been there for three years and uh I finally was feeling like I'm starting
00:51:34
to understand what the show needs what what because instead of what I wanted it to be
00:51:42
which was insane because it's never gonna be Monty Python it could not change it yeah
00:51:49
oh my God there's so much about the reality what's the reality how can you
00:51:54
help what's the show it it took me for years years yeah but somewhere around my
00:51:59
third year my brain started to calm down and go wait it's not this other thing
00:52:05
that you want it to be it is a thing that is has all kinds of first of all it's so [ __ ] hard to do you know
00:52:13
whenever we talk about it and we critique the show and I mean the [ __ ] thing just on this on
00:52:18
the face of it is impossible it's an impossible thing it's absurd and the
00:52:23
more I go back the more I go when I go back and see the show being done I'm like oh my God this is
00:52:31
impossible you know when I was young I never thought that oh my God I when I got hired there I was like come on how
00:52:39
come this isn't better come on work you guys this is not hard this is not working it shouldn't be hard yeah you
00:52:44
know and it's like once you've produced a few things you're like you want me to do a show Saturday night
00:52:52
with zets and how good all the Departments are yeah the Departments are so [ __ ] on it they're so good they're
00:53:00
so practical anyway did you ever think during a long dress show it sometimes I thought maybe tonight's the night it
00:53:07
won't the show won't go on they'll show a rerun or something sometimes it just seems like I never I
00:53:13
never thought that I mean I I think it more now but again when I was there Dana when I started there I had such I don't
00:53:20
know you know you guys know the people who start in this business there's such
00:53:25
a strange mix of confidence doubt hatred it's the weirdest like how does it work how does it work that you have a
00:53:41
friend you know we all have a friend literally walks around all day hating themselves talking about how stupid and
00:53:49
dumb they are and then gets on stage and tells about a crowd of strangers what they think like it's a bad house well
00:53:59
how does that work something's wrong here because if you don't think you're
00:54:04
worth anything then then you shouldn't be thinking uh give me that Mike I need
00:54:09
to tell everyone what I'm giving me that money I just always felt I need to lecture these people
00:54:17
[Music] Bob I always felt if I didn't kill I'd be I'd get fired I I felt like I had to
00:54:24
destroyed maybe I pushed a little too much at times until I got to Johnny Carson was the only sketch I did toward
00:54:30
the end where I wasn't pushing but I I just wanted to make the point that um are you still with us your screen's
00:54:36
Frozen oh okay God you were just oh yeah yeah is that it seemed like you were like if you told me you had a pretty
00:54:43
good time on SNL wouldn't surprise you because it seems like you were sort of
00:54:46
around a lot like you'd be in a room with Conan or Robert or here's an example I wanted the audience to hear
00:54:51
Franken and I are doing a George Bush senior we're sitting around somewhere going I'm doing the thing gotta do it
00:54:58
gotta go and then and then it was uh we're trying to go I think Al said and the less uh the lesson of Vietnam
00:55:06
and you would just eavesdropped her just walk by and you just went stay out of Vietnam and that killed on the show on
00:55:14
Saturday lesson in Vietnam stay out of Vietnam do you remember that moment but I think you were around the
00:55:21
show a lot grumpy old man was really your you originated that I don't know it
00:55:26
seemed like you were around you know I I listen if I try to think of the things I
00:55:31
contributed to SNL and basically I say in my book that I didn't help at all and
00:55:38
I got paid and I learned so much about how to write a sketch and what a sketch is made of and I but and then I gave
00:55:48
nothing back nothing in return like Lauren totally got the [ __ ] end of the stick with me
00:55:56
um but uh probably I those things may be added up to something the little things
00:56:04
that I was able to do because Robert included me in in writing or you know anybody did I mean I can think of some
00:56:12
of them because they stick out because they were um it would meant a lot to me when I was
00:56:18
able to help and and say something that helped I I I wanted it to work that's
00:56:22
the other thing sometimes I think I when I talk about the show it sounds like I hated the show I thought it was Dumb and
00:56:28
and [ __ ] this place and it's not true it's not true I I wanted nothing more than to be helpful
00:56:38
and meaningful there and uh it would have meant so much to me to feel that way but I
00:56:47
I just did my best and uh but you brought in like motivational speaker which is one of the greats I mean that
00:56:54
that's just that alone you could have [ __ ] I know David that was after I left that scene was that's true that was
00:57:02
the next yeah that that they did that scene the year after I left now they gave me credit for it of course because
00:57:08
I wrote it I wrote it alone in my apartment in Chicago but but that wasn't even I had like man down by
00:57:16
the river just that wow pan down by the river I mean just the fact that it's one of the
00:57:23
most I mean listen I just was in the scene and I hear about it every day so uh but I had nothing to do with it I
00:57:29
just was cast thank God lord Jesus well you guys know that as I am that I wrote it and I supremely
00:57:37
proud it's a standout moment in my life in SNL's life you know Chris Farley is
00:57:44
the reason freight trains yeah just come on I mean that guy I mean I talk about him a lot in the book and and it's weird
00:57:51
and it's fun to talk to you guys right now because I mentioned the Howard Stern
00:57:55
on his uh podcast that uh you know it's strange to to write about somebody who I I mean David you were
00:58:05
very close to him I was not I mean I I was I felt very close to him but so did anyone who saw him perform or even
00:58:17
hung up with him such a sweet yeah he was so nice and look in the eye and just like shake your hand and be happy and
00:58:23
they felt like oh that's why he was so lovable they're like oh this guy's my
00:58:27
friend immediately yeah Howard said you know I didn't really know him and I said
00:58:30
but you did you did because you saw him perform yeah you saw him as a that's
00:58:35
basically what it was yeah and uh and so I I I was I felt a little strange about
00:58:41
writing as much as I did but it was pure honesty and he affected me and uh impacted me greatly as he did everyone
00:58:51
who who got to know him so um so you know I mean it's fun to talk about how I I got to write that sketch
00:58:59
and that it played so well on the show but it's all Chris you know the show is always the show is always
00:59:05
performance one of the things that probably bothered me uh was that SNL is always going to reward and and celebrate
00:59:15
a performance laugh over uh construction story lab and as a writer I'm wanting those two to at least be
00:59:27
equal right or if not lean in my direction where you go yeah that performer who does says he's all right
00:59:35
but the [ __ ] idea the because that's so well is constructed and that probably
00:59:40
was Jack Handy right Jack Handy yeah Jack Handy sketch is it Jack Handy sketch it is funny because Jack Handy is
00:59:49
[ __ ] genius and and it does it you can put seven other actors in there if they're okay yeah
00:59:57
caveman lawyer I mean Phil was great but the concept that's just so Jack Handy
01:00:03
and Phil nailing it but just he's nailing a great piece of writing sketch that was written so well and handy
01:00:11
sketches you know like a fingerprint within a half a page of read through you like looking around going is this Jack
01:00:15
Handy like it's immediately comes out of this of the gate so Bob we know uh uh
01:00:21
you have another appointment so I just wanted to ask you about your health for a second how are you if people say to me
01:00:26
after that I had my event they said how do you feel even a year later are you feeling okay and I always go I either
01:00:33
feel perfect or I'm in the hospital so there's no there's no like Bob's having
01:00:37
a good day today you're completely whole and energetic and healed because the
01:00:43
science is there just to make this go away right yeah absolutely I I'm great
01:00:48
I'm working out doing the same workout I did when I did nobody and I'm back to it
01:00:52
and I feel great I've got good energy all day it took a while Dana I I had five weeks off after the part that's it
01:01:01
Jack I had five weeks off and then when I went back to work they limited my hours to 12 hours a day that was
01:01:08
actually limited that was really so quick we could get started here yeah and uh and I needed that because I really
01:01:15
got to about eight hours a day and I would just start to sit down in the closest gym
01:01:22
and the drama of it all of it makes you weak for a little while yeah so it took a couple more weeks or even a month and
01:01:30
a half or two before I felt like I could do even the 12-hour day fine but I'm
01:01:34
fine now and I would I would just say that um you know um whatever I'm I'm
01:01:45
I knew that thing I I knew that the plaque was building up and I should have been on medicine and anyway I'm gonna be
01:01:53
okay now and I I got a lot of uh I've a lot to think about after it happened and now and I wanted to ask you
01:02:04
because you've also had a heart issue do you do you ever sometimes lay in bed
01:02:12
and listen to your heart I would say in the first year after all that you know any kind of little thing or skip a thing
01:02:19
or whatever it took me a while to let let that go but I'm I'm really aware of
01:02:25
my heart like if it's speeding rapidly I'm aware um so yeah that that but you weren't
01:02:33
before not not in the same way not in the same way but I love getting my heart rate up I love breaking a sweat I do
01:02:39
everything the same I was just very very lucky and what I wanted to tell people with Bob here is that you know there
01:02:46
there are statins there's medicines and there's uh Diagnostics uh CT heart scans
01:02:51
there's ways to be ahead of this you know thank God Bob had who we had around
01:02:57
him at that moment but there are ways to prevent it it's not a death sentence it
01:03:01
doesn't change anything and it's the medicine and the technology has gotten
01:03:05
so brilliant since the 90s so I would just encourage people to get checked out if they have a family history right bump
01:03:13
yeah or even if they don't Dana I don't oh you didn't I don't have a family
01:03:17
history and uh and so if you're 50 and you're man or woman 50 years old 55 just asked
01:03:27
you doctor for some simple tests LDL and stuff get the simple test done uh it it'll tell you and these medications are
01:03:35
very mild I mean they're not going to change anything about you so just you know take the Statin or whatever they
01:03:42
recommend if you need it and um yeah and I was very lucky I was supremely lucky you guys not only that
01:03:50
listen I just learned this a few days ago the AED device that they use that Rosa
01:03:57
Estrada used to Jack me up and yeah it took three tries um wow he had that in her car because
01:04:08
she was trying to return it to somebody she borrowed it from and she'd been trying to return it for weeks and this
01:04:15
guy was never home uh but wow otherwise there wouldn't have been one anywhere
01:04:20
near and so only because this guy didn't wasn't there to answer the door
01:04:27
that she had it in her trunk of her car and could go run and get it you know what's weird Bob is my brother Brad
01:04:33
lives in Albuquerque he's the guy at base Garth on he had a massive heart attack 20 years ago uh in in two
01:04:39
paramedics were part of the track club he just went lights out same kind of thing 15 minutes of all that start the
01:04:46
heart he's fine today so and it was in Albuquerque too it's like a Super Bowl
01:04:51
on Albuquerque frequently had heart attacks where they should have had them you don't want to have a place that's
01:04:57
terrifying well there's two ways to look at it David it's either terrifying or
01:05:02
it's exactly where you should go to have your heart attack yes listen I have a
01:05:08
history of having an attitude I would I would love to talk to you guys for five more hours uh I love you Bob thank you
01:05:15
for coming man thank you so much Bob it's been such a pleasure you're right
01:05:17
we could go for five more hours peace out all right miss you buddy thanks miss you too See ya soon I hope
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would love to put prosthetic makeup here we go make a bond what's gonna be do a
01:06:13
movie where I play Dwight D Eisenhower no riveting everyone's everyone's waiting for it
01:06:21
this is the week I tested for the movie Amadeus I was third in line Amadeus playing Mozart
01:06:31
he's like a boy child I could play a thousand things and you can do you know because I was I was in a
01:06:39
movie called light sleeper this doesn't answer the question at all but who cares
01:06:42
and Paul Schrader who did Raging Bull Taxi Driver unbelievable writer was directing it
01:06:48
I went into audition and he goes great audition we're gonna try to get Dana Carvey and if we can't we will hire you
01:06:53
and I said very honest I'll take it and then they said Dana doesn't want to fly
01:06:57
to New York to do it and I said I will because he had to pay for yourself too and what was it light sleeper with Paul
01:07:03
Schrader they asked you and you were you just got back from SNL and you gotta want to fly right back it was only a one
01:07:09
day shoot so I did well they used to have nicknamed Kevin Klein Kevin D Klein because he always said no I think I was
01:07:14
second in command here it is it's this much money in Nova Scotia you leave tonight yeah because when you do
01:07:22
stand up and corporate stand up for things you're just like on call almost like a firefighter yeah
01:07:28
yeah you gotta you gotta leave in two hours it's in Berlin yeah I know agents
01:07:33
are it's like 20. agents go I do it I mean and you go well yeah you sit in your fluffy office with AC and I gotta
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go down and get in southwest and connect through Houston anyway he's offered a gig in Munich you
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