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David, I have not seen you. I think the
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last time I officially saw you, we were
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both auditioning for Tales from the
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Crypt.
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>> Shut up. God.
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>> And I walked out of the audition and
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David goes, "Well, Fig's here. Everybody
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else might as well go home." It was Hulk
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Hogan and Mr. T doing an ad for
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something.
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>> Who knew they could?
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>> And they were doing the comedy of you
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thing like saying over and over again.
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Yeah, exactly. You want to do this? I
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mean, I tell you what, you think this is
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going to be good? It's like, oh, dude,
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just please. Oh, I did with a magician
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who had who had doubs.
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>> Oh, you did?
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>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they would just
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hear.
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>> Can they stay in your room?
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>> Okay, Dana, a big show. We've got Paul
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Fee. Now, Paul Feige, I don't know if it
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hits the ear as a household name, but
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you will know
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>> a lot of his movies he's written,
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>> director,
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>> Freaks and Geeks, he created,
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>> right? That old show that got
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>> from Jud Appattow was involved in that
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to Seth Rogan to Linda Cardellini. There
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was a lot of big stars popped out of
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that.
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>> And uh also one of my all-time
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favorites, Bridesmaids. He directed
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that.
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>> We talk all about these things with him
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with Paul and
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>> and he did the housemaid. That's the one
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we talk about. That's coming out uh the
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19th of December right now. So
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>> December 19th coming up.
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>> I'm going to check that one out. That's
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Sydney Sweeney. Uh
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>> and I think that's more in the drama
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tip. I think it's more of a uh I don't
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think it's a full-blown comedy. But I
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like the idea.
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>> We talk about that movie and and the
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sensibility of it. But yeah, he was a
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real gentleman. He dressed up, you know.
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I wore a tank top. Spade was shirtless.
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>> A half shirt and a dolphin shorts and a
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sailor hat
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>> and he had a nice suit on. He's a real
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gentleman. And it was really fun talking
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to him.
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>> Yeah. Uh also Simple Favor he did that
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was with Blake
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all over the place. These movies that
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>> pretty much everyone has seen. So, I
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think you'll like the chat from his POV.
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So, here's uh writer, director, producer
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Paul Fig.
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>> Paul Feige,
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>> you know, I was watching um Vertico last
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week, you know, and seeing San Francisco
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in the 50s and Jimmy Stewart is just
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always in a suit.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And a lot of hats, but just suits.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And then here I am at age and I'm This
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is me dressed up. It took 10 seconds to
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put it on.
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>> It's a different time. It's a different
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time.
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>> T-shirts are primarily what a grown man
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wear. It's just t-shirts and tennis
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shoes.
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>> That is true. That is Especially in LA.
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That's a very LA thing.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. But you're I always heard you're
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judged by how expensive your watch is
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and how good your shoes are. And
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everything else can just be tennis.
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>> Well, wait a minute. Why a good watch? I
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had a good watch.
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>> You had a good watch.
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>> I'm not I'm not judging that.
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>> This We can cut this part, but how much
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is on that left wrist? Like what is the
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price? Is that something that would
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attract somebody
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>> murdered
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places? Exactly. No, I I I have a this
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um watch dealer in Italy, believe it or
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not, who just sells it at cost because
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he's a Rolex dealer. So, if you get in
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with one person, they'll uh they have to
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sell at cost. They can't jack it up.
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>> I have to say, you are the best dressed
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person we've had on the podcast.
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>> Oh my gosh. Thank you.
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>> We've done 1,700.
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>> Least talented, but the best
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>> least talented. I saw your Wikipedia
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page. What are you talking about?
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>> I just saw the beginnings of it. It was
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>> That's right. David, I have not seen
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you. I think the last time I officially
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saw you, we were both auditioning for
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Tales from the Crypt.
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>> Shut the [ __ ] up.
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>> And I walked out of the audition and
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David goes, "Well, Fig's here. Everybody
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else might as well go home." And then
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you got the part.
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>> Oh my god. You know,
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>> really. So, have you held a torch for
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this?
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>> Oh, yeah. I've been waiting for this
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moment for
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>> I don't Is this a get back? Okay, now we
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know what's going on for the podcast. We
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don't talk about the movies.
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>> Well, yeah. You know, I did also a show
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called Monsters uh back in the day.
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>> Was that a cartoon?
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>> It was a That was a movie, but I did a
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show, a scary show, and I had a doll
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>> killing me. No, I was the killer.
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>> Yeah. Well, the Tales in the [ __ ] you
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killed the the the Scotty dog. I
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remember because it was Julie Brown.
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>> Yes, that I think I'm thinking the same
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thing.
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>> Yes, exactly. That was probably the name
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of the episode.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Um, anyway, that didn't propel me
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as far as I thought it would at the
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time.
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>> A little bit of show trivia for you
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there,
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>> but how funny that long ago.
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>> I know. I I think we've probably said hi
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at various events, but you always so
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nice to me back when I was a standup.
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>> Good. When I see uh Paul out, first of
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all, he looks dapper and I warned Dana,
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you better bring your
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>> dapper is a is a cool word. It's a David
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nivy. You know what the cannon of dapper
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>> should have a martini?
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>> It's down to you and JB Smooth at this
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point. I know
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>> JB has he's got a hat on.
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>> Oh, I know.
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>> Look at his [ __ ]
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>> JB with a hat. He's hilarious.
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>> He has a hat at the Emmys, which I'm
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sure everyone loves behind him.
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>> I did when we did Ghostbusters, I had JB
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come in because I wanted to do these
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kind of man on the street things that we
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were going to put in the movie. JB comes
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in. I turn on the camera on the street.
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He talks for 45 minutes.
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>> God damn. I I never stops.
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>> I'm so unshocked. But when
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>> it was hilarious, but I was just like,
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"Wow, JB, you are just
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>> seen as a cutaway. JB and yeah, it's a
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montage. I know he doesn't shy away from
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that.
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>> It's brilliant of Larry David to have
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him on
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>> just that was just magic.
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>> Brilliant character.
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>> The editing
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>> should have won an award because they
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got to really tighten it up even on
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>> Well,
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>> you don't edit on that much right
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>> now when you wear this coat. Uh, I think
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they probably I mean there's a lot of
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held shots you don't even know if
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they're
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>> Well, probably because when I did it,
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>> oh, a couple people remember.
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>> Uh, when I did it, we did it. I've told
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this before, but we just were told
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different things. We walked into scene
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and then we argued and then we went back
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to one
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>> and they came up to me and said, "Now be
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a little offended by what he says." And
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then they go up to him and I go, "What's
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he doing?" They go, "You'll find out." I
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go, "Oh." So, it actually was kind of
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fun. Come back. Now it's a kind of a
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different scene and the editing was in
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do you use one whole scene and tighten
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it or do you sort of use pieces but each
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one I had a for sure stance.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And he didn't know it. He's fig we're
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both figuring out as we go arguing but
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that was sort of very clever.
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>> I think it was a brilliant way to do
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>> it's very Gary Chanel was the first
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experience with that and I thought it
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was like magic.
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>> Yeah. Totally.
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>> Three cameras at once. you'll say
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something like this or you'll say
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something like that and I'll do this and
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you'll do say something like that. It
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was like mean I don't have to repeat
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these words all day long and finally get
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to the the money shot.
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>> Well, that's what I was doing. I did a
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bunch of the offices and and uh it was
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kind of the same vibe on there. They
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were very they were tightly scripted,
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but then once you got to set, Greg
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Daniels was cool if you just kind of
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played. And so, um, like we did a
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Halloween episode once and, uh, we had
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Greg allowed us to cut out a whole
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storyline because we got on this whole
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tear with, um, Dwight talking to talking
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to Michael and Dwight was wearing the
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like the hood from the the Star Wars the
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Emperor and you just got on this thing
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where just we got on an angle. It looked
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funny if he overannunciated the way that
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the guy in the movie does and it was
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just this back and forth. It was so
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funny that Greg was like, "Okay, we'll
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lose that other story line because I
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just want to hang in the scene for
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long." That's really smart because I've
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worked on other shows where they just,
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you know, they keep any of that stuff.
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>> Do you find that as a director?
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>> I do want to hear about your past
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because it's interesting how long you
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went before you really got into with
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standup and acting and stuff.
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>> Um, when someone is discovering it while
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the camera's rolling and you could it's
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a it's it pops even if they just change
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something or they literally add a new
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line.
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>> Yeah. It's sort of a little bit of magic
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if it works, right?
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>> Oh, I'm so that's my joy place basically
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because I always try to cross shoot, you
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know, so that we're shooting both both
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characters at the same time. So I mean
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bridesmaids that that opening scene with
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them in the coffee shop was just like
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five hours of it was scripted but then
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it's like try this, try that, imitate a
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penis, do you know all this and out of
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that yeah these moments happen and be
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crossooting that you're on the other
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person so they're reacting in real time.
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Audiences pick up on that. That's the
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magic of digital cuz I never did a movie
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when digital came in and so it was
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always
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>> cutting you know always
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>> bridesmaids was on film still so we were
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stuck with those 12minute loads and
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something was just starting to happen
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like oh no so that's why
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>> got to change the film on film and it
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was 2011
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>> was that a concerted decision
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>> yeah it was it was the studios were
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still a little weird about um digital HD
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yeah I in 2006 I did a movie called
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undercomp miners and no one all and um
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but my DP at the time was kind of he was
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one of the forerunners of doing HD
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stuff. So we were going to do it and the
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studio was really against it because
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they had just had a really bad
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experience on a one of the the current
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the Superman movie they were making back
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then where they shot on the Genesis
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system and there was some like line that
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went through they had to digitally fix
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the whole thing.
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>> So they but my guy was so adamant about
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doing it that they end up firing him.
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They made me fire the DP because they
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said, "You have to shoot this on film."
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And it was terrible. That guy was
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halfway to Utah where we're going to
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shoot the movie.
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>> And he had to turn his car. It was
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awful.
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>> And now, you know, industry
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>> standard. Yeah. Sometimes if people
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don't watching don't know when you do
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movie like you'll do coverage on someone
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>> and then they have to recreate something
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and it's not the same reaction. It's
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just a real conversation.
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>> You can suck the air out of it so easy.
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There's that's my nightmare is like
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sometimes you just can't cross shoot and
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somebody does something off camera and
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you're like oh it's never going to be as
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good you know could you do that thing
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again it's never
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>> you almost want to use just the off
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camera voice it was so perfect totally
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even on them you're like that was just I
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did a movie once where they probably run
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into this where when you're with comics
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you probably run into where you see this
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sneaky move I didn't pick up on where I
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did my coverage and they did theirs and
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I stuck to the script and when they
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flipped around they ad lived for 20
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minutes and I I couldn't react cuz I
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wasn't on camera anymore.
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>> Oh, totally. Oh, no. Totally.
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>> And so I look dumb. They're just scoring
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scoring. I'm just like this.
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>> Yeah, I know. I've had that happen a
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couple time and I've actually taken the
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time to turn the camera back around and
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say
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>> it was more it's more because we
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discovered a bit when we were on the
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other side. And I was like, you know,
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then the crew gets all mad at you and
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the D.
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>> If it's fair, it's fair. And you go,
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"Oh, that's great. That's worth it. We
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just did something and we said, it's
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worth going back."
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>> That's exactly it. And they got all mad,
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but it's like, I don't have it. I don't
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have it.
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>> They get paid either way. Well, you'd be
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surprising how many directors do do not
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at least intrinsically have your
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philosophy of trying to capture some
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kind of magic and they torture you and
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and they do a thousand takes and they're
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thinking of the edit and they're not
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trying to kind So, I was thinking one
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scene there's so many in Bridesmaids
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obviously. Uh, but when Kristen Wig is
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kind of sneaking up in the front of the
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airplane, I mean, just the spontaneity
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of that and how it felt and of course
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her brilliance,
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>> but that must have been a throw.
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>> That was I mean, that was lit. That was
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the most fun day on that set because it
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would just like we do and I go, "Let's
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go again." And like just here comes
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Kristen. Like I don't know what she's
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going to do this time every time.
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>> She doesn't know either. Yeah.
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>> No. And it was hilarious. And I mean I
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just I didn't want to wear her out. But
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I think we did six or seven takes of
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that full scene just to get it. And then
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and then we're in the coverage we were
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playing around. So
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>> and there's funny coverage and then
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everybody luckily everyone in it is
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good. Flight attendants are good.
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Everyone's playing off it and
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>> everybody's a good
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>> Maya playing it so flat is good because
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that's a choice too. She doesn't try to
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jump in and get some big laughs. She's
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like
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>> you're getting laughs off her just
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staring.
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>> Yeah. But I mean, huge shout out to
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Mitch Sila who plays the, you know,
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stove Steve the flight attendant because
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he just played that like, you know, like
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an I love Lucy, you know, or like a
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Jerry Lewis movie where all the stuff's
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happening, the guy just stares and acts
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completely
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>> straight man in that part. And uh also
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Rose uh
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>> which I sort of discovered
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mostly on that because she's such a
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knockout. And then she was just really
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holding up and being funny and just
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>> everywhere you went was funny. So
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>> Melissa, obviously that was her coming
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out. I mean, she'd been on things, but
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that was like,
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>> yeah, big comedy coming out because she
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had because she had just done Get to the
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Greek and um and we were trying to
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figure out who to who to cast in that
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role, we saw a lot of funny women for,
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but was just like, I think we need like,
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you know, like a dramatic actress for
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that. And Jud was like, go down the
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editing room and take a look at her
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scenes from uh from Get Him to the
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Greek. And I was like, wow, she's she's
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she's there's something there. Even
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though she's playing a completely
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different character, but I mean, Rose is
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so talented. She's one of the most
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versatile comedy people I know because
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she plays it so straight and she just
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becomes the character and doesn't look
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for jokes. She just is naturally kind of
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her reactions are funny and play well
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against
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>> Amazon.
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Yeah.
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>> Yeah. 7 minus 2 equals 5 hour more than
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you need.
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>> Larry David was here. I I've quoted this
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before, but he had said that the thing
00:15:30
that he looks for is when people are
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trying to be funny.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And he goes, "No, no, no, no."
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>> Yeah. Oh, no. Totally.
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>> We don't do that. That's this other line
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that's crossed. And why do you you look
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at comedies, other movies of your peers
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or whatever. You don't have to bury
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anybody. But can you kind of intuit it
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what's going wrong? Because great
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comedies are rare.
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>> Yeah. Well, it's it's the reason why
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comedy doesn't win awards. It's the
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reason why Steve Carell never won an
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Emmy for The Office.
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>> That's crazy.
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>> Because if you're good, you make it look
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effortless. It looks easy. He's not
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trying. Yeah. We all know there's
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nothing worse than sweaty comedy, you
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know, and you see it all the time.
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Somebody just like working so hard.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, yeah. I mean that's I'm especially
00:16:12
bless them like day players who come in
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you know and you hire and oh they're so
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funny in the audition all I'm ever doing
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is like take it down take it down and I
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get it this is your one moment to shine
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and here you come you know
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>> even SNL hosts their publicist warn us
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ahead of time they're so funny and they
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can't wait to show you the funniness
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we're like
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>> God just stand there we'll just steer
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you around
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>> there's been more no better place I've
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seen people eat it than on SNL like the
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guest host when you just see oh my god I
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remember there Oh, the sweatiest one I
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ever saw on there was from way back. It
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was Hulk Hogan and Mr. T doing an ad for
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something.
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>> Who knew they could go?
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>> And they were doing the comedy of you
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thing like saying it over and over
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again. Yeah, exactly. You want to do
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this? I mean, I tell you what, you think
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this is going to be good? It's like, oh,
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dudes, just please.
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>> It'd be so much funnier if Mr. T was
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like actually pity the fool that
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doesn't, you know,
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>> see right there.
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>> Do so pity these fools.
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>> So, can we just for a second? I mean
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because for our audience and stuff just
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a little bit of your biography. Sure.
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>> Because um there was an interesting
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thing I guess and I don't know seeing a
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Woody Allen movie kind of blew your
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mind. I mean for me it was the party
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with Peter Sers or other ones. So So you
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had this as a young and then you went
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into performing mostly right. You were
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dream was to be on SNL maybe or
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I I Yeah. And I actually signed with an
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interesting thing happened where um
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because I was a stand Yeah. I started in
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Michigan and I was a kid in doing
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theater and there you go.
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>> Bloom
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>> Bloomfield Hills.
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>> Oh, wait. Are you from Michigan?
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>> Yeah.
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>> How did I never know this?
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>> I just found it cuz it says Royal Oak
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and I think that might be in the
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vicinity of Bloomfield.
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>> Yeah, it is. It is totally
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>> And I was like, this [ __ ] never
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ever.
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>> And go Lions.
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>> I want to look up when I'm in the when I
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make the uh top 100 people from
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Michigan. I should have scanned a little
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harder to see.
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And then I claim I'm from Arizona, too.
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So, I really get
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>> Oh, there you go.
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>> I try to get in that contest.
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>> You're a man of the world as me.
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>> Me and Hugh.
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>> There you go. Nice.
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>> The big hitters.
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>> So, you're uh Yeah. So, I I I was wanted
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to be, you know, an actor. That was my
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goal. I wanted to be Steve Martin. I
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wanted to be
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>> as a little kid.
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>> As a little kid. Oh, yeah. Like five
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years old. I disco I did I got laughs in
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front of a a school play and was like
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>> addicted.
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>> Yeah. And so, I started doing standup
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when I was 15 years old in Detroit. Um
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it was terrible. Obviously,
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>> was there a big scene or
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>> Why was it terrible?
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>> Cuz I was terrible.
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>> Why? We were all terrible.
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>> I know it was. I was doing like Johnny
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Carson jokes and stuff like that.
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>> I did not know that.
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>> There we go. Thank you.
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>> Give me an opening. I apologize. People
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were pressing the podcast. Sore subject.
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>> No, it was big because the show Take Me
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Laugh was was big.
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>> How Mandel. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Bruce Balm. All
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>> Mike Binder. Then Mike Binder was a
00:19:03
Detroit guy. And so all these comedy
00:19:05
clubs sprung up because of Make Me
00:19:06
Laugh. Um where all these open mic
00:19:09
nights,
00:19:10
>> you know, was that Baby Man Bomb?
00:19:12
>> Yeah. Yeah. Baby Man Bomb.
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>> Yeah. And he he put the thing up and
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then he's in the club and then obviously
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>> I love the assortment pack of the weird
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eccentric. You know how comedians were
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so different in the in those days? Not
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everybody had his elbow on the mic
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saying he masturbated in front of his
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cat. Yeah,
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>> I'm a Jazz Kane or Denny Johnson. Like
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every time I got an opening or MC
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watching these guys and we always say
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they would
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>> rarely change their act. That was a new
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That was the old way.
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>> Oh, no. It was like vaudeville. You
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know,
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>> you travel with that [ __ ] thing.
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>> I think Denny Johnson got it. Folklore
00:19:47
says he got this great 20 minutes that
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killed every time in like one night
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almost a fever dream and then just kept
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it for 40 years.
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>> But that was I mean that was that whole
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vaudeville thing. remember that like the
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movies killed vaudeville because a guy
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had an act for you know 20 years and
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they put it on film though. Okay, what
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else you got?
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>> So what what was in stand up? Your best
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bit.
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>> My best bit.
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>> You must had a bit that worked.
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>> I did. I had a I had two killer bits. Um
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one was uh Willard Schmidt, the wood
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shop teacher. So I I had these glasses
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and I would go he's and he's a stand-up
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comedian. Okay. But that's funny.
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>> So you I was kind of like a very
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energetic comedian, but then I would do
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that. He's just completely flat, you
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know, and all his jokes are about like,
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you know, I I had a kid in class and I
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told him to stop fooling around. He
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continued to fool around and he got his
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arm cut off.
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Then I go and tell a joke about
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something and then I go back to another
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horrible story about
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>> very flat. So you would kill. It would
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just kill.
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>> So the teacher actually cut the arm off.
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Was that
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>> No. No. Because the kid was fooling
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around. He didn't listen to the teacher.
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>> Oh, I see. So he got the teacher.
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>> Exactly. And then my other bit was my
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clo big closer was the thirst and howl
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blues which I had my harmonica and I
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would do this uh oh yes
00:21:02
I I can't even recall
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>> from Gilligans Island from Gilligans
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Island. Yes, exactly. And then the
00:21:06
killer line I don't know if I can get it
00:21:08
right but was like
00:21:09
>> no pressure. Now that professor he's
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really quite dafted.
00:21:13
>> He can make a coconut lie detector but
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he can't build a goddamn raft.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And that would kill. So there you go.
00:21:20
>> Very true though. Thank you. But this
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was back in the 80s.
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>> I can't believe it.
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>> Let me tell you my closer.
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>> This killed
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>> this killed everything.
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>> This [ __ ] Dana destruction.
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>> It sort of like has an extra beat.
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>> One of my
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>> This has a boom at the end. Watch this.
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Watch this, Paul. Okay,
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>> here we go.
00:21:38
>> So, I said I talk about Skinamax uh and
00:21:41
I talk about all these shows I watch
00:21:42
late at night, all these Rated shows.
00:21:44
Then I said HBO has a new show called
00:21:46
new back autopsy. We go into a corner's
00:21:50
office and film a live autopsy. Let me
00:21:53
tell you something, HBO. I can't whack
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off to autopsy.
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>> Or can I?
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>> Bam.
00:22:00
>> Yep. Off gets a laugh. Whack off. Music
00:22:04
up. Good night. People fly out of their
00:22:06
chair. That was a tough one. I had him
00:22:08
cut I had him cut. Give him a red light.
00:22:10
Um I have a Gilligans Island joke that I
00:22:12
did on SNL. So, we're doing Jerry
00:22:14
Seinfeld. And my line was, "Okay, you
00:22:18
know, it was like a game show, right?"
00:22:20
And it was like, "If the professor can
00:22:21
make a radio out of a coconut, why can't
00:22:24
he fix the boat?"
00:22:25
>> There you go. See?
00:22:28
>> I can't believe it.
00:22:29
>> I like when someone goes, "I saw
00:22:30
Gilligans Island. It was the one where
00:22:32
uh Mrs. How didn't know what to wear to
00:22:34
the rescue."
00:22:35
>> Oh, yes.
00:22:36
>> Which was every episode.
00:22:39
>> Oh, what should I wear to the rescue?
00:22:41
>> Love it.
00:22:42
I got lauded. It funny. I got lauded
00:22:44
back then because this was 85 when I was
00:22:46
doing this
00:22:47
>> and everybody was still doing
00:22:48
hilariously. This sounds so old uh jokes
00:22:50
about the 60s and so all these comedians
00:22:53
come up to go like you're the you're the
00:22:54
first guy who's made fun of the 70s. So
00:22:56
I was there you go.
00:22:58
>> Oh I was my my peak in 1985.
00:23:00
>> I know. I used to do Carrie Grant. I do
00:23:03
Jimmy Stewart. You know all those Jack.
00:23:07
>> Oh yeah.
00:23:07
>> No I didn't do the hair back but I did
00:23:09
Jack.
00:23:11
leave a message, you know, whatever. I
00:23:14
kills, you know, it kills. But yeah, now
00:23:16
I'm I don't do Carrie Grant anymore. I'd
00:23:19
love to
00:23:20
>> when we work the retirement home.
00:23:21
>> But I I have a new bit now that I'm
00:23:23
doing that I'm when I'm talking to
00:23:24
Comcast and there's someone who doesn't
00:23:26
know, I just use Carrie I use Carrie
00:23:28
Grant's voice, but I turned it on and
00:23:30
off, but they still have no reception.
00:23:32
And they don't respond or say, "Are you
00:23:34
like, who are you? I can't believe it. I
00:23:37
got the voice of Big Game." So anyway,
00:23:39
so back to you. you are a standup you're
00:23:42
killing and then you're directing hit
00:23:44
movies. What's what's the timeline and
00:23:46
what happened?
00:23:47
>> Uh I was I do I was full-time stand up
00:23:50
from 85 to 90.
00:23:51
>> Okay.
00:23:52
>> Um I I did I I got on a thing called the
00:23:56
Paramount Comedy Theater which was the
00:23:58
first home video videotape um like
00:24:01
comedians special.
00:24:03
>> I don't know if I remember it.
00:24:04
>> I don't nobody. It was only in video.
00:24:06
>> Was it kind of like the HBO? was only on
00:24:08
how he how he was the host.
00:24:11
>> And um and we shot it down at the
00:24:13
Hermosa Beach, you know, the comedy man.
00:24:16
>> And when Jimmy Miller used to manage it,
00:24:18
>> Jimmy Miller, the Jimmy from Christ
00:24:21
sakes, no one makes popcorn like my
00:24:23
little brother.
00:24:24
>> Dennis's brother, everybody. And it's
00:24:26
he's exactly the same accent. But so I
00:24:28
so so I I did it and then so the guy
00:24:30
that produced it I I went did my act it
00:24:33
killed went great and it was really
00:24:36
successful. My first success is the
00:24:38
standup. I had lunch with the producer
00:24:41
few weeks afterwards and he said you
00:24:43
know they did not want you on this show
00:24:46
like How's managers hated your act from
00:24:49
your tape so much they threatened to
00:24:52
pull Howe off of the special.
00:24:53
>> What the [ __ ]
00:24:54
>> If you did it. And he, this guy was kind
00:24:57
of a fighter, so he just fought to get
00:24:59
me on there.
00:25:00
>> And the hilarious thing was after I my
00:25:02
set killed, his managers wanted to sign
00:25:05
me. They signed me.
00:25:07
>> And I this all comes back to when you
00:25:09
said SNL because I said they said, "What
00:25:11
do you want?" I said, "My dream in life
00:25:12
is to be a regular in SNL." They're
00:25:14
like, "We can make that happen."
00:25:15
>> Done.
00:25:16
>> First of all, any You should always run
00:25:18
for the hills.
00:25:19
>> Of course.
00:25:20
>> And yeah. Then of course it never
00:25:21
happened. They sent my tape to Lauren.
00:25:23
He's like, "I don't
00:25:24
>> What year? What year?" This is 86.
00:25:26
>> That's when I got the show.
00:25:28
>> Oh,
00:25:28
>> I knew it.
00:25:29
>> And I remember. Would you take a look at
00:25:32
Paul Fig's tape, Dana? See if you think
00:25:34
anything's there.
00:25:36
>> I don't see it.
00:25:37
>> Any glimmers? I didn't see it. I didn't
00:25:39
see your tape. I probably would have
00:25:40
said that man's going to make a hit
00:25:42
movie.
00:25:43
>> I don't know.
00:25:44
>> Keep behind the camera.
00:25:46
>> Very interesting. How many people were
00:25:47
standups and ended up movie actors or or
00:25:50
impressionists? Anthony Hopkins and just
00:25:52
a
00:25:52
>> well a lot of guys who were standups
00:25:54
when I was coming up all became writers
00:25:55
like you know well
00:25:56
>> writers that's the mo that's the
00:25:58
smoothest transition
00:25:59
>> well because they would have like killer
00:26:00
jokes but they didn't necessarily have
00:26:02
like the greatest stage press
00:26:03
>> or you get tired of the grind of
00:26:05
traveling
00:26:05
>> that's why I that's what drove me out
00:26:07
cuz I you know I my whole those five
00:26:09
years was like working towards becoming
00:26:10
a headliner minute I became a headliner
00:26:12
I didn't like it
00:26:13
>> because it was lonely being a headliner
00:26:15
is lonely like when you're the middle or
00:26:16
the or the opener you know the guys are
00:26:19
back you come off stage everybody's like
00:26:20
Yeah, that was so great. When you're the
00:26:21
headliner, you come off, everybody's
00:26:23
gone to dinner and you're like,
00:26:24
"Nobody's here tonight."
00:26:25
>> I know a guy, Larry Bubbles Brown from
00:26:26
San Francisco, got to a level in San
00:26:29
Francisco. He's headlining. Yeah, he's
00:26:31
great.
00:26:33
>> Said, "Nope."
00:26:34
>> After about a couple times said, "No,
00:26:35
it's the pressure, the end, just stayed
00:26:37
a middle."
00:26:38
>> I get it. And the road was I hated the
00:26:40
road.
00:26:40
>> I hated the road, too. Did you play
00:26:42
Spellbinders in Houston? What are the
00:26:43
places
00:26:45
all up and down the West Coast?
00:26:46
>> Feathers.
00:26:47
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:48
>> The Bay Area. I could stay in the Bay
00:26:50
Area pretty much, you know, and not have
00:26:52
just drive to Santa Cruz. Cobs,
00:26:54
Punchline.
00:26:56
>> God, it's funny. We must almost cross
00:26:57
path.
00:26:58
>> I know. It's crazy. No, it was the
00:26:59
comedy condo that drove me out of the
00:27:01
business.
00:27:02
>> Oh, staying with the Okay, give us a
00:27:04
comedy condo for people who don't know.
00:27:06
>> No, they would they would buy this condo
00:27:09
and have three bedrooms.
00:27:10
>> Three bedrooms. One was the shitty one
00:27:11
for the opener. One was the slightly
00:27:13
less shitty one. And then and then the
00:27:16
beautiful one for the headliner.
00:27:17
>> The master bedroom or Yeah. the primary
00:27:20
bedroom. You live with three people.
00:27:22
>> Yeah. And in like one week it's the
00:27:23
greatest thing ever. Everybody's great.
00:27:25
The next week you're stuck with some
00:27:27
[ __ ] guy who is the worst. And
00:27:29
they're all like trying to bring
00:27:30
cocktail waitresses home. And I'm just
00:27:32
like I want out of this scene. I don't
00:27:34
want any.
00:27:35
>> You're saying sex happened in the
00:27:37
comedian's condo. Believe it or not, for
00:27:39
a certain guy, there were certain guys
00:27:41
that were just totally
00:27:41
>> Did you ever have share a condo with a
00:27:43
venturoquist?
00:27:45
>> I wish.
00:27:45
>> Cuz I did.
00:27:46
>> Oh, I did with a mag a magician who had
00:27:48
who had doves.
00:27:49
>> Oh, you did?
00:27:49
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they would just hear
00:27:52
>> Can they stay in your room?
00:27:54
>> This was a Twilight Zone. He really
00:27:56
believed that Chuck, Chuck Wood, was was
00:27:58
real. And he said, "Don't look at Chuck.
00:28:00
Don't bother Chuck. Don't touch Chuck."
00:28:02
>> Wow. Chuck in that rider in his
00:28:03
contract. You can make eye contact with
00:28:05
Chuck.
00:28:05
>> Do you remember Emo? I stayed with Emo.
00:28:07
emo San Diego improv and he was like you
00:28:10
know I was going to breakfast early I go
00:28:12
oh we're doing this off camera
00:28:14
>> I was going to say does he like like in
00:28:15
real life he's like yeah so anyway dude
00:28:17
>> but he was very nice he would put but he
00:28:19
put all his joke cards out on f I think
00:28:21
Dennis does this writes them all out and
00:28:22
I was like am I supposed to do this like
00:28:25
it was so organized and then he like
00:28:28
Dennis they memorize them and I'm like
00:28:30
no [ __ ] chance
00:28:31
>> even back in the early days with Dennis
00:28:33
he do that
00:28:33
>> I know he has f you've seen him with the
00:28:35
cards right
00:28:35
>> I don't know the other day we were about
00:28:37
Louis K and I just just about great
00:28:39
standups and I just thought uh Dennis
00:28:43
it's Dennis's best special it's
00:28:45
>> put up there but so you're so how do you
00:28:49
so what happens next your standup is not
00:28:52
you you tire the road
00:28:53
>> tire the road so I I go into acting um
00:28:56
and and did that for like 15 years and
00:28:58
was like a regular on five different TV
00:29:00
series always be like the fifth or sixth
00:29:02
lead you know on uh which
00:29:04
>> Dirty Dancing the TV series was my first
00:29:07
I was a character that was added on who
00:29:09
was not in the movie. Norman the bellhop
00:29:12
who wanted to be a stand-up comedian.
00:29:14
>> So there you go. Yeah. Exactly. That was
00:29:16
like remember when they used to do the
00:29:17
cartoons of like you know the Brady
00:29:19
Bunch or or the Partridge family and
00:29:21
they'd add like a magical bird like I
00:29:23
was the magical bird on the show
00:29:24
basically
00:29:26
>> or the dancing pandas.
00:29:27
>> You kind of do have a timeless look like
00:29:29
I could see you on the Beverly Hill
00:29:31
Billies as the banker or you know what I
00:29:33
mean? You play a lot of parts.
00:29:35
>> Yeah, I would. I mean I that's all the
00:29:36
the parts I used to get but yeah but you
00:29:39
know yeah I was on the the the Tom
00:29:40
Arnold you know the Jackie what Tom
00:29:43
Arnold did you get?
00:29:44
>> I got good Tom Arnold.
00:29:45
>> Was he good to I'm friends with Tom and
00:29:48
I know he had some rough times there.
00:29:49
>> No Tom was great but they were you know
00:29:51
still he and
00:29:51
>> and Ros lasted two or three seasons
00:29:53
right.
00:29:53
>> No only one season that they it's the
00:29:56
first show I think in history to get
00:29:58
cancelled in the top 20.
00:30:01
>> Oh wow. because they kind of pulled the
00:30:03
plug cuz they they wanted to go over to
00:30:05
do this uh um Thomasson. I I forget the
00:30:08
those producers, but they were CBS and
00:30:10
so they pulled him over to there. Um and
00:30:12
I think we were ABC. Yeah, we were
00:30:14
>> Quit Thomas maybe.
00:30:15
>> No, it was Thomasson. They they worked
00:30:17
with the Clintons a lot. I remember. Um
00:30:19
anyway, look it up everybody.
00:30:20
>> I did not know that. Impression number
00:30:23
two.
00:30:23
>> Well done. There you go.
00:30:24
>> Was Farley on uh did Jackie Thomas?
00:30:26
>> Yeah, we did. He did that one episode.
00:30:28
>> We did. Yeah.
00:30:29
>> And and we finished the episode. I don't
00:30:30
know if I should say there's not. We
00:30:32
finished the episode and the minute we
00:30:33
were done, Tom and Roseanne had him
00:30:35
taken away to rehab.
00:30:37
>> Oh,
00:30:37
>> yeah.
00:30:37
>> Got that episode out of him, though.
00:30:39
>> Yeah. But he Oh, he was the loveliest
00:30:41
guy. I loved I mean, sweet one
00:30:45
>> sweetest guy. The last time I saw him,
00:30:47
>> one of a kind.
00:30:47
>> Joel Madison and I went to the the Rose
00:30:50
Bowl. Um, and uh he was there with his
00:30:53
mom and he's like, "Hey, Paul." Joel, it
00:30:55
was just the sweetest guy.
00:30:57
>> Doll, very Midwestern. I mean, salt of
00:31:01
the earth and probably the funniest
00:31:02
person who
00:31:03
>> Well, we haven't seen another.
00:31:05
>> No, I mean, not like that.
00:31:06
>> It's been a while now. And where's Chris
00:31:08
Farley? The new Chris Farley?
00:31:10
>> I'll just look look for, you know, um,
00:31:12
clips online.
00:31:12
>> By the way, anybody over 180 is in
00:31:15
danger of being Are you the next Chris
00:31:16
Farley?
00:31:17
>> You're a little heavy.
00:31:18
>> You have manic energy.
00:31:19
>> We were just saying this morning, it's
00:31:20
he's not he wasn't that big during some
00:31:23
earlier movies. It was really toward the
00:31:24
end like
00:31:25
>> I was so skinny and I was probably 135
00:31:27
in the movie. So he looked big,
00:31:30
>> but I'll show you something on the way
00:31:31
out. But uh yeah,
00:31:32
>> where it's like, oh, he wasn't. I think
00:31:34
he gained almost 100 pounds right at the
00:31:36
very end at some point. But you know,
00:31:38
Jackie Gleason was sort of heavy. He'd
00:31:39
go away. We go and he would move
00:31:42
gracefully, but Chris was still an
00:31:44
athlete as a as a big guy.
00:31:46
>> But all those guys, they're like sumo
00:31:48
wrestlers like, you know, Belushi who
00:31:50
wasn't his hero. Belushi was even, I
00:31:53
think, skinnier and he was known as a
00:31:54
fat guy.
00:31:55
>> He was just a little rolly poling. Well,
00:31:57
it's like like you know Zach's old
00:31:59
Zach's on his show. He's always I'm not
00:32:00
fat. He's like Zach's like just like a
00:32:03
normal looking guy. Either fat or not
00:32:05
fat or
00:32:06
>> he always has them make fat jokes about
00:32:08
him and then he's like I'm not that.
00:32:09
>> Yeah. He's like you have a beard. It's
00:32:11
not that. Yeah. I like when he's on his
00:32:12
show and everyone shits on him.
00:32:14
>> Did you all this time because I we know
00:32:16
where your story is going. Were you a
00:32:18
big big movie fan? A lot of comedians
00:32:20
>> I would whenever I could just watch a go
00:32:22
watch a matinea in a theater on the day
00:32:24
of a show. So, you were had this lane of
00:32:26
being a huge
00:32:27
>> Oh, yeah. That's all I wanted to do was
00:32:29
do movies. Um
00:32:30
>> Oh, the whole time.
00:32:31
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I just, you know, I Well,
00:32:33
my goal was to be back then Woody Allen.
00:32:35
I was going to write, direct, and star
00:32:36
in all my movies. That was the goal. Uh
00:32:38
I did it once, the very first movie I
00:32:40
ever made, which has never been released
00:32:42
uh called Life Sold separately. And I
00:32:44
wrote, directed, and starred in it. And
00:32:46
it was myself and Pen Gillette was in it
00:32:48
actually. And then some friends of mine,
00:32:50
Steve Bannis and Dave Gruber Allen, who
00:32:52
you know, who are all actors now. on
00:32:54
Carrie.
00:32:54
>> Was it the sensibility of Woody?
00:32:56
Obviously, you're not doing a Woody
00:32:57
impression, but it was just his whole
00:33:00
>> It It was No, it was um It was about I I
00:33:03
had I only had like $30,000 to make it.
00:33:06
So, I had to like make it all in one
00:33:08
field during the day on one day. So, it
00:33:10
was about four people who who get some
00:33:13
>> Yeah. totally. Oh, yeah. Like you save
00:33:15
on wardrobe, you save on lighting.
00:33:17
Exactly. Um, it was four people who all
00:33:20
get a message in their head that a UFO
00:33:23
is going to come to this one place and
00:33:25
pick them up and take them away from
00:33:26
their lives because they're all unhappy
00:33:27
with their lives in different ways.
00:33:28
Yeah, it's kind of cool. And so
00:33:29
everybody shows up and they don't know
00:33:30
why each other's there and they find out
00:33:32
they have this common thing and then it
00:33:33
all kind of
00:33:34
>> turns. And then you go into writing. How
00:33:36
do you get writing jobs?
00:33:37
>> Uh, I never actually got a writing job.
00:33:39
>> Oh, you on Freaks and Geeks. I
00:33:41
>> I created it. Yeah, I created the show
00:33:42
and then I co-an because Jud swore to me
00:33:45
that you had nothing to work.
00:33:47
>> I knew it. Oh man,
00:33:49
>> Jud hit me up this morning. I haven't
00:33:51
heard from
00:33:51
>> Well, just make sure you bring that
00:33:53
letter.
00:33:54
>> Hey, [ __ ] I don't have a Japto, but
00:33:57
that's a substitute of pressure.
00:33:59
>> Hey, I think Freaking Geeks is mine.
00:34:01
That's kind of like Japto.
00:34:02
>> That sounds just like him. Exactly. I
00:34:04
thought he was sitting here.
00:34:05
>> It's a book a book market.
00:34:07
>> Hi Jud, if you're watching. Uh but yeah,
00:34:10
you that was your creation and you
00:34:14
shephered it and it's kind of has a cold
00:34:16
following now or it's it's become a
00:34:17
thing
00:34:18
>> which is nice. I mean it's kind of stood
00:34:19
the test of time which you always hope
00:34:21
>> sort of but so you were in on casting a
00:34:23
lot of people that blew up.
00:34:24
>> Yeah. Yeah. That was all
00:34:26
>> who was on there just so just for the
00:34:28
people. for the people. Seth Rogan
00:34:30
>> who discovered at 16 years old in
00:34:32
Vancouver.
00:34:34
>> God, that guy struggled in an open.
00:34:35
>> I know. Poor guy. He's um Linda
00:34:38
Cardellini, Jason Seagull, James Franco,
00:34:40
Bizzy Phillips, uh Sam Lavine, um and of
00:34:44
course um John Francis Dailyaly, who's
00:34:46
now a big time director, writer,
00:34:48
director. I know. So, they all they all
00:34:50
have succeeded.
00:34:51
>> All blew up. Yeah.
00:34:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so when So, since we
00:34:54
This isn't a two-parter. I want It's
00:34:56
like when did you start uh your first
00:34:58
movie you directed and for a studio or
00:35:01
when you
00:35:01
>> the studio? It was the the thing called
00:35:04
Unaccompanied Miners. I think I
00:35:06
referenced uh earlier. Yes. That they
00:35:08
where they fired my DP for wanting to
00:35:10
shoot HD. Um Okay.
00:35:11
>> Yeah, I got that. Well, no, no, I was
00:35:13
actually No, it was a movie called I Am
00:35:15
David that I did right after Freaks and
00:35:17
Geeks. It was like a drama and that was
00:35:20
the moment where I'm like, "Oh, I'm this
00:35:22
will be my Oscar movie." And I learned a
00:35:24
valuable lesson like don't ever try to
00:35:25
make movies for to win an Oscar. Yeah.
00:35:27
>> Cuz you What are you learning at this
00:35:29
point? What are the basic things? You
00:35:30
you do Freaks and Geeks and you're
00:35:32
directing there and then you're going
00:35:33
here. We know where you go where you
00:35:35
become this great comedy director. So,
00:35:38
you're learning stuff all along, right?
00:35:40
Well, I start I then I go heavily into
00:35:42
TV directing because I directed I I
00:35:44
wanted to direct on Freaks and Geeks and
00:35:46
they wouldn't let me because I didn't
00:35:47
have enough, you know, experience or
00:35:49
whatever. Finally, they let me do the
00:35:50
very last episode that I wrote and
00:35:52
directed and it came out really well. So
00:35:54
then
00:35:55
>> they go, "Oh, he knows how to
00:35:57
>> actually knows what he's doing." And
00:35:58
believe it or not, but then our line
00:36:00
producer from Freaks and Geeks went on
00:36:02
to do um Arrested Development. And so he
00:36:04
called me up and said, "Hey, they'd like
00:36:05
you to do Unrested Development." So I
00:36:07
ended up doing like six Arrested
00:36:08
Developments,
00:36:09
>> which is probably No, it's not harder.
00:36:10
That's still It's not a sitcom. No.
00:36:13
>> Did you ever do a sitcom?
00:36:14
>> No. No. Not Not three camera. No.
00:36:16
>> Yeah. It's It's way harder what you're
00:36:17
doing.
00:36:18
>> Yeah. Well, I don't
00:36:19
>> It's closer to movies.
00:36:20
>> Yeah. But the three cameras seems hard
00:36:22
to me, you know, like what
00:36:23
>> three camera? Yeah. It's a different
00:36:25
muscle probably.
00:36:26
>> Well, you're definitely relying Yeah.
00:36:27
You got that audience right there.
00:36:29
>> Yeah. I like I like having something hap
00:36:31
like getting it right once and never
00:36:33
doing it again. That's why I love movies
00:36:35
and single camera stuff, you know, cuz
00:36:38
you just get magic
00:36:39
>> ones.
00:36:40
>> When you get it right in a comedy,
00:36:43
>> it's so hard.
00:36:44
>> Yeah.
00:36:44
>> From the idea and the pitch to the
00:36:47
script doesn't get right and and you've
00:36:49
got to get that right. Then you got the
00:36:50
editing and the casting and then
00:36:52
>> and finishing it and the produ, you
00:36:54
know, then the marketing and the poster.
00:36:56
>> And then the biggest problem is
00:36:58
everybody's got everyone can agree
00:37:00
what's dramatic, what's sad, what's
00:37:01
scary, what's thrilling. Nobody can
00:37:04
really agree on what's funny. Yeah.
00:37:05
>> So, comedies are so divisive because
00:37:08
some people love them and some people
00:37:10
hate them.
00:37:11
>> And trailers are really, you know, like
00:37:14
lightning rods. I mean, we put the the
00:37:16
trailer out for
00:37:18
>> for bridesmaids.
00:37:20
People are enraged and angry and like
00:37:23
either's like either like, "Oh, clearly
00:37:25
all the best jokes are in the in the
00:37:27
trailer." And then they were mad that
00:37:28
they thought they knew that we were
00:37:30
going to be making fun of Melissa
00:37:31
McCarthy's character and it's like no
00:37:33
she's actually the coolest character in
00:37:34
the thing. But people there's a
00:37:36
hostility I find because I think maybe
00:37:38
it's was that people have gotten burned
00:37:40
by a lot of comedies over the years you
00:37:42
know and so they came in afraid to go to
00:37:44
the theater not not by yours my friend.
00:37:47
You've been some of the greatest
00:37:48
comedies of all time. Thank you. It's
00:37:49
true. Um, but you know, but there's it's
00:37:52
just uh Yeah, it's there's a weird thing
00:37:55
and that's why now there's not a lot of
00:37:56
comedies straight up comedy.
00:37:58
>> Yeah. What what what do you what's your
00:38:00
thoughts on that? Where are they?
00:38:01
>> I think I think comedy straight comedy
00:38:04
feels too frivolous for audiences for
00:38:07
the in the last 10 years. You know what
00:38:10
I mean? They want higher stakes. And I
00:38:12
think you know it's the difference
00:38:14
between like a movie that's about like
00:38:17
spies or cops but like the villain is
00:38:20
like bumbling and so it's like oh so
00:38:22
it's all comedy so there's no stakes
00:38:23
there versus I always go back to that
00:38:25
movie 48 hours which you know oh Eddie
00:38:28
Murphy this is going to be hilarious
00:38:29
first thing there's like a guy gets like
00:38:31
executed in a hallway you're like oh
00:38:33
[ __ ] but then yeah but then you're like
00:38:36
oh cool so now when Eddie Murphy goes
00:38:38
into that cowboy bar I'm kind of worried
00:38:40
he's going to get shot or something
00:38:42
bad's going to happen. So I think goofy
00:38:44
comedy.
00:38:44
>> Yeah. People need steak. So that's why
00:38:45
now so much comedy is in the form of
00:38:48
horror movies. I mean all do you see
00:38:51
weapons? I saw it twice. It's hilarious.
00:38:53
Yeah. I mean it becomes hilarious
00:38:55
>> and Megan and those things you know. So
00:38:58
>> is is interesting.
00:38:59
>> Weapons too scary for me?
00:39:00
>> No. No. No. It's not.
00:39:02
>> Is Megan too scary for me?
00:39:03
>> No. No. My I will tell you I will tell
00:39:07
you cuz I saw some blurb on you that I
00:39:09
would love when I watched Megan I
00:39:12
watched it like mystery science. I just
00:39:14
talked the whole time and was making
00:39:15
myself laugh and I'm like why can't Dane
00:39:17
and I just do this? Well, you just watch
00:39:19
something and there's so many funny
00:39:21
things to say.
00:39:21
>> Yeah.
00:39:22
>> And Megan was funny in that way. But I
00:39:25
see why it worked also.
00:39:26
>> Yeah. Well, because you're still, you
00:39:28
know, you're invested there. It's it
00:39:31
it's I used to get really mad at as film
00:39:33
like studio exact when they use the word
00:39:35
stakes. Yeah.
00:39:36
>> Because I I always felt like did they
00:39:38
know what that means or not? But now
00:39:40
what it means
00:39:40
>> sometimes well sometimes people just
00:39:42
repeat words. I know exactly but you
00:39:44
realize like it just audiences have to
00:39:46
feel that there's the invested and you
00:39:48
know like worried.
00:39:50
>> Naked Gun the the new one that came out.
00:39:52
I watched it. Yeah. It was but it was
00:39:55
that there was no stakes.
00:39:56
>> It's old school. Yeah.
00:39:57
>> It's old school. Oh, you really have to.
00:39:59
It's very tricky.
00:40:00
>> Well, I was really rooting for that,
00:40:01
too. And I think it did pretty well.
00:40:02
>> Yeah, it did pretty well.
00:40:03
>> But cuz that kind of breaks the mold of
00:40:05
what I'm saying. But look, comedy, you
00:40:07
know, we say this is how it is, then
00:40:09
something comes out and it changes
00:40:11
everything. So, you know, the biggest
00:40:13
thing in comedy, and we all know this,
00:40:15
is if you're inflexible in comedy,
00:40:17
you're dead.
00:40:18
>> You know, if you're like, I know what's
00:40:19
funny and don't tell me what's funny. if
00:40:21
you don't evolve along with the the
00:40:23
scene, you know, keep your voice, but
00:40:25
just, you know, don't be making dad
00:40:27
jokes.
00:40:28
>> The ones that stick out to me are Tropic
00:40:29
Thunder, uh, Hangover.
00:40:32
>> Yeah.
00:40:32
>> Um, some of Will Ferrell movies.
00:40:35
>> Yeah. They just hold up.
00:40:36
>> And then they sort of it sort of changed
00:40:38
or it stopped. I don't know if it's
00:40:39
political or whatever the studios want
00:40:42
or the audience wants, but
00:40:43
>> I just think it's what the audience
00:40:44
want. Audiences are very
00:40:46
>> fickle. Yeah. Exactly. But they a
00:40:49
because we've done a lot of research in
00:40:50
my company on this, you know, about like
00:40:53
why why do sequels a lot of times not
00:40:56
work anymore,
00:40:57
>> right?
00:40:57
>> You know, because used to be like a
00:40:58
sequel.
00:41:00
Yeah, exactly. Because you think, oh,
00:41:02
people just show up. But the big
00:41:03
question audience are asking now because
00:41:05
they got so much stuff available to them
00:41:06
is why? Why? Why do I need to see this?
00:41:09
I really like the first one. Why do I
00:41:11
need to see what's going to be different
00:41:12
about this? Am I just going to see the
00:41:14
same thing again? And it's a valid
00:41:16
question. You know, everything's
00:41:18
expensive. And
00:41:18
>> there's something about discovering
00:41:20
>> a movie, too. Yeah. And you just don't
00:41:22
discover it in the sequel. You found all
00:41:24
your answers kind of.
00:41:25
>> Yeah. And that's why sequels are so hard
00:41:26
to do because you've estab you're not
00:41:28
discovering. Yeah. The discovery isn't
00:41:31
Everybody thinks they want Bridesmaids,
00:41:33
too. And I'm like, yeah, it could be
00:41:34
funny, but the reason Bride Mates works
00:41:37
is because Kristen Wig, you meet this
00:41:38
person who's just a complete disaster,
00:41:41
and she has to build herself back up,
00:41:43
and by the end, she doesn't show happy.
00:41:45
So you don't want to go
00:41:46
>> disaster again. Yeah. It's like where do
00:41:47
you start?
00:41:48
>> Yeah. Right. Oh, she's messed up again.
00:41:49
Well, I don't want to watch this.
00:41:50
>> We talked about that with there's a one
00:41:51
we did called The Wrong Missy on Netflix
00:41:53
and
00:41:54
>> we wind up getting married, but the
00:41:56
girl's crazy and she's very funny. She's
00:41:58
the whole movie. Like she goes bananas.
00:42:00
>> But how do you do it where she kind of
00:42:03
got her [ __ ] together
00:42:05
>> and then
00:42:06
>> there's different pitches, but you go,
00:42:07
"God, that's a tough one cuz you almost
00:42:10
want to leave it alone, but there's such
00:42:12
>> a feel for like, well, maybe do one.
00:42:15
They pay you more, it makes less. So,
00:42:17
>> I know. Oh, yeah. Fame. That's the
00:42:19
answer. There you go.
00:42:20
>> You know, you've worked with a This
00:42:21
sounds like uh some social statement.
00:42:23
You you've presented a lot of women into
00:42:27
comic films, you know, bridesmaids,
00:42:29
obviously.
00:42:30
>> Um, and then you you love Melissa
00:42:32
McCarthy as we all do. So, when you you
00:42:35
directed her in Bridesmaids and then you
00:42:37
guys connected again, I would just speak
00:42:39
to that. I mean, did you just sort of it
00:42:41
we we've we know her. I mean, she's so
00:42:43
charming and whatever, but did you see
00:42:45
lightning in her biology? There's more
00:42:46
here. Are you just
00:42:47
>> Yeah. Well, we just hit it off. I mean,
00:42:49
after cuz Yeah. We did bridesmaids and
00:42:50
we did The Heat, then Spy, and then uh
00:42:53
Ghostbusters.
00:42:54
>> Yeah. So,
00:42:54
>> no controversy in Ghostbusters, by the
00:42:56
way.
00:42:56
>> Well, yeah. I I I was I was out of town.
00:43:00
>> Do people talk about it? I love the
00:43:01
first one.
00:43:02
>> No. Well, you you know like with Farley
00:43:04
and you know and people you've worked
00:43:06
with like if you're in sync with
00:43:08
somebody comedically that's like gold
00:43:10
because it's so hard to find that you
00:43:12
know where it's across the board you
00:43:14
agree
00:43:14
>> well I think for the performer from that
00:43:17
side of the fence if you have a director
00:43:18
like you who's affable who gets them
00:43:20
who's smart and wants to capture them is
00:43:23
not resentful of them or competitive
00:43:25
with them I mean there's there's a lot
00:43:27
of types of directors out there and so
00:43:29
that obviously just
00:43:31
>> you capture her. Yeah. Well, I mean
00:43:32
that's my I always say my biggest job on
00:43:34
the set is to create a safe environment
00:43:36
where everybody feels they can try
00:43:38
anything and we like cuz I used to when
00:43:40
I was an actor I'd get yelled at by
00:43:41
certain directors like what are you
00:43:42
doing? Stop that. And then you just you
00:43:44
clench up
00:43:44
>> humiliated. Can I try something?
00:43:47
>> And then I try something and he goes,
00:43:49
"That's what you wanted?"
00:43:50
>> Oh, no. No. Yeah. Really? That was
00:43:52
terrible.
00:43:52
>> Those are quotes. So that's what you
00:43:54
wanted to do. This is in front of the
00:43:56
whole crew. So why would you sabotage
00:43:58
the person in the movie?
00:43:59
>> So awful. I mean, I I I love my fellow
00:44:02
GGA and yet sometimes I just go, you
00:44:04
guys, come on.
00:44:05
>> Well, sometimes they're they're speeding
00:44:06
it up. They want to keep moving. And
00:44:08
also, if you just go at the end, can I
00:44:10
try one? But if it's someone like you
00:44:12
and you're like excited to see it, like,
00:44:14
hey, if we can make it better
00:44:16
>> and then like you said, you stumble into
00:44:18
something else that works. That's the
00:44:20
fun. I think she can do that. I think
00:44:21
she trusts you because I saw The Heat
00:44:23
and I was with Sander Bulock.
00:44:24
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:25
>> Great. And uh and then after that was
00:44:28
>> Spy was Spy and Rose again.
00:44:31
>> Physical comedy. Always a verbal
00:44:34
non-verbal comedy with Melissa is always
00:44:36
great. She does that. She I mean
00:44:38
>> well she'll surprise you with jokes and
00:44:39
like you know sometimes she'll be in the
00:44:41
middle of a of like a really mean thing
00:44:44
and she I can't say that. I'm like
00:44:46
Melissa finish it. It's gonna be the
00:44:48
funniest thing you say all day.
00:44:49
>> Thanks for the out takes. Give us
00:44:51
something. Yeah totally. because some of
00:44:52
those movies she goes off and then she
00:44:54
can be very you you feel for
00:44:56
>> Yeah. Well, that's the thing and that's
00:44:58
you know I you know when because when we
00:45:00
did the heat there was a lot of not
00:45:02
backlash but I heard like certain like
00:45:05
entertainment reporters like she only
00:45:06
does one thing. She's always just mean
00:45:08
all the time. So that's why I did Spy
00:45:10
because I was like no I want to show
00:45:11
that she's actually really sweet. Yeah.
00:45:12
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00:45:14
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00:45:16
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>> So, you actually read reviews that are
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actionable on them. Oh, I see that. Now,
00:46:53
I'm going to make a whole giant $30
00:46:55
million movie to prove you [ __ ]
00:46:57
wrong.
00:46:57
>> Pretty much. I I I do everything out of
00:46:59
revenge basically.
00:47:00
>> You just wait a minute. You'll see her
00:47:02
range. And then she was in a simple
00:47:04
favor. Or was that Blake Lively?
00:47:05
>> No, it was Blakeley. Blake. Yeah.
00:47:07
>> Yeah.
00:47:07
>> I know they're always up. What's going
00:47:08
on with Blake Lively right now? She's a
00:47:10
great actor.
00:47:10
>> Are you going fantastic?
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>> Are you going to jail? There's
00:47:12
>> I know exactly. I have no idea what's
00:47:14
going on.
00:47:14
>> I know. I don't either.
00:47:15
>> All I I'm team Blake. I'm definitely
00:47:17
>> Do you have any final Cuz we'll put it
00:47:19
to rest here. Do you have any final
00:47:20
thing to say about Ghostbusters?
00:47:23
>> I'm glad I made it. I'm very proud of
00:47:24
it.
00:47:25
>> Okay.
00:47:25
>> The people that had a problem with it,
00:47:27
I'm sorry.
00:47:29
Younger people really like it. It was a
00:47:31
lot of mostly
00:47:32
>> Hey, it's supposed to be Bill Murray.
00:47:34
older guys who saw when they were kids
00:47:36
and they got really mad that I would
00:47:37
>> touch it. It was with me going that I'm
00:47:40
exactly your demo. Old cranky. I should
00:47:42
be an
00:47:42
>> cranky. I judge everything. I don't like
00:47:45
anything to change.
00:47:46
>> What? That's not him.
00:47:48
>> Wait a minute.
00:47:48
>> I don't even like Dan Akroy being older
00:47:50
now. I'm like I want him the way I saw
00:47:51
him.
00:47:52
>> And so when I see that I go I literally
00:47:54
go in I go I got to be fair about this.
00:47:56
>> I love Ghostbusters but I think these
00:47:58
girls are funny. So what do we do? So I
00:48:00
go in and I go it is funny. Now, that's
00:48:03
just one opinion, but I paid I went and
00:48:05
saw it and then
00:48:05
>> I saw it, too. I thought it was great.
00:48:06
>> You go,
00:48:07
>> well, those four people are just
00:48:09
>> It's different. There's different jokes.
00:48:10
It's not It's not exact frame by frame
00:48:13
recreation.
00:48:14
>> No, cuz you didn't want to do that, but
00:48:15
it was just, you know, it was I I
00:48:17
thought it would be fun. I What I didn't
00:48:19
realize
00:48:20
>> it wasn't going to be fun.
00:48:20
>> I know. It was It was It was one of the
00:48:23
worst experiences of my life. Not making
00:48:24
it was was fantastic, but the all the
00:48:27
[ __ ] around it. I mean, Donald Trump
00:48:29
came out against us. Oh, he did. Oh,
00:48:31
there's a video. There was a video of
00:48:32
him going, "Uh,
00:48:34
>> we don't like it. We wanted that accent.
00:48:36
We got to have the other guys. The
00:48:38
ladies can do their movies. The men do
00:48:40
their movies."
00:48:40
>> Well, here's the exact here's the exact
00:48:42
quote. And you can find it online. It's
00:48:43
on tape on video. Oh, it's on video. He
00:48:45
goes, "And now the Ghostbusters are
00:48:46
women. What's going on?
00:48:48
>> What is going on?
00:48:49
>> It's the end of the world as we know it.
00:48:51
It's not good." And let me tell you,
00:48:52
I've seen it many times
00:48:55
and they're busting them. I know what
00:48:56
they do. And they need to have acro.
00:48:58
They've got to have Acro.
00:49:00
I don't know. So, let's talk about your
00:49:03
current movie, which I like these kind
00:49:04
of movies. I saw the teaser trailer I
00:49:07
thought was kind of brilliant because
00:49:08
it's just a, you know,
00:49:09
>> and so it's called Housemaid.
00:49:11
>> The Housemaid. Yeah.
00:49:12
>> With someone who I I think is sort of
00:49:15
out there now a lot.
00:49:16
>> I think she's got a future. Yeah. Sydney
00:49:17
Sweeney. Sydney. You've heard of her.
00:49:20
>> Um and Amanda
00:49:22
>> Amanda Safe Freed.
00:49:23
>> Safe Reed. And so tell us about this
00:49:25
movie that's coming out in December.
00:49:26
>> Yes. Uh yeah, I'm very excited about it.
00:49:28
It's a It's more of a straightup
00:49:30
thriller, but it's still in my own
00:49:32
inimitable way. It's going to be funny
00:49:33
at times.
00:49:34
>> Gets nutty. Yeah. It gets, you know, in
00:49:36
the weaponsy kind of way, I guess. Um,
00:49:38
but it's it's a it's a based on a
00:49:40
bestselling book that's been on the
00:49:41
bestseller list for a year and a half
00:49:42
called The Housemaid by Freda McFaten.
00:49:45
>> And, uh,
00:49:46
>> Brandon Slenar is also in it, who's
00:49:48
fantastic, and and Michaela [ __ ] who
00:49:50
was in my another simple favor movie
00:49:52
that I did last. Uh, and it's it's just
00:49:54
it's a really fun twisty thriller. You
00:49:56
think you know where it's going and you
00:49:58
completely don't know where it's going
00:49:59
and then it twists again.
00:50:00
>> I love it.
00:50:00
>> Yeah. I I I love thrillers. That's kind
00:50:02
of all I watch.
00:50:03
>> Well, it's good for City Sweenies, too.
00:50:04
>> You know what? You know, I do, too. Huge
00:50:06
star.
00:50:07
>> I really like thrillers.
00:50:08
>> Yeah. You know, it is like I I find I
00:50:11
don't watch much comedy because I don't
00:50:13
watch it at all. I know how the rabbit
00:50:15
gets out of the hat. So, it has to be
00:50:17
something really different.
00:50:18
>> Yeah. No, totally. Oh, I I did just
00:50:20
watch um Friendship the other night and
00:50:22
that really made me laugh.
00:50:23
>> How was that in friendship?
00:50:25
>> Yeah. You know, Tim is just so it's if
00:50:27
you like Tim, if you love Tim, you'll
00:50:29
love this movie.
00:50:30
>> Sure.
00:50:30
>> There's some of the funniest there's a
00:50:32
couple of sequences that are so funny.
00:50:34
>> He's got some of the best clips.
00:50:35
>> Yeah.
00:50:35
>> You know, like everything is clips now,
00:50:37
but
00:50:38
>> it's a way to introduce you. It's like a
00:50:39
little nugget
00:50:41
>> and then if I see it enough, it starts
00:50:43
showing up and I'm like obviously I'm
00:50:44
watching it because it keeps telling me,
00:50:46
"Oh, you like this."
00:50:47
>> Yeah. No, totally.
00:50:48
>> You're going to look at it again. And
00:50:49
then keep surprising me. It's very hard.
00:50:51
>> Yeah. No, it's true. So, so I don't
00:50:53
watch like but I I Yeah. thrillers and
00:50:55
and crime shows and all that. I love all
00:50:57
that stuff.
00:50:57
>> Yeah, that's I watch them with my wife
00:51:00
and you know and I they're they're just
00:51:02
fun. So, you like true crime, too.
00:51:03
>> Did you say it? The housemaid is it's
00:51:05
called
00:51:05
>> The Housemmaid. Yeah.
00:51:06
>> And did you say a little bit of what it
00:51:08
was about or you don't want to say?
00:51:09
>> Oh, uh no, I I say yeah, I guess I
00:51:11
should do the plug. Yeah. It's about
00:51:14
this young woman who's kind of uh living
00:51:16
out of her car, a little down on her
00:51:18
luck, who goes and uh gets an interview
00:51:20
to be a housemmaid in this rich this
00:51:22
rich family's house and gets the job and
00:51:25
the the the woman who hires her seems
00:51:27
like the greatest boss ever and then
00:51:28
things start to turn get weird.
00:51:30
>> I'm in.
00:51:31
>> Thanks.
00:51:31
>> It's all I needed.
00:51:32
>> Excellent.
00:51:32
>> Living in car.
00:51:33
>> You're going to love it. Exactly.
00:51:35
>> And it and it's it's a sexy thriller,
00:51:37
too. I'll say that.
00:51:38
>> It's kind of nice. I mean, I just
00:51:40
>> Everything for Eden was like, "These two
00:51:42
girls are going to hook up." Like Eden
00:51:44
was just like I thought it was literally
00:51:45
two girls hooking up. That's that was
00:51:48
the pitch. It was like
00:51:49
>> Yeah. I thought it was really kind of a
00:51:51
softcore porn.
00:51:54
>> Was this taking you back to your
00:51:55
Skinnamax days?
00:51:56
>> It was. And I was like, "Oh, there's
00:51:58
other people in it.
00:51:59
>> Wait, there's sand."
00:52:01
>> Actually, how do you That sounded like
00:52:02
an interesting movie because it was
00:52:03
weird. Like I go,
00:52:05
>> well, it was a true story, you know.
00:52:07
>> How do you fight this idea that we all
00:52:09
know?
00:52:10
>> I was in and out. Oh, Eden was a true
00:52:12
story. I like it. No, I did like it. And
00:52:14
Jude was good. Was in it.
00:52:15
>> Jude, I love Jude.
00:52:16
>> So, when will it be on my machine? Eden.
00:52:18
>> Uh, well, it's it's going to be in
00:52:20
theaters, believe it or not. It still
00:52:22
hasn't been released.
00:52:22
>> I'm sorry, Eden. I'm sorry.
00:52:24
>> Oh, yeah. I switched over here. We know
00:52:25
about Housemate.
00:52:27
>> Sorry, let's go back to House. The
00:52:28
Housemate opens December 19th.
00:52:31
>> Sort of the thing. It's in theaters and
00:52:33
then you have to want compel people to
00:52:35
the theater thinking that well, it'll be
00:52:37
on Amazon Prime in a month. So, is there
00:52:40
a strategy?
00:52:40
>> It'll be on the machine soon, I bet.
00:52:43
>> Always always I guess it's always on
00:52:45
something else later.
00:52:46
>> It used to be DVD, used to be VHS, but
00:52:49
now
00:52:50
>> like F1 I saw then it goes it's going to
00:52:52
be on Apple. I'm like, oh,
00:52:54
>> yeah.
00:52:54
>> I didn't want to wait, but you know,
00:52:55
it's like, oh, okay. But there's a
00:52:57
window. It's shorter. It's longer.
00:52:58
>> The big screen is great.
00:53:00
>> I'll tell you this. What I've discovered
00:53:01
this is
00:53:03
>> because of this connectivity.
00:53:05
>> Yes.
00:53:06
>> It's either church or a movie theater.
00:53:09
Turn it off
00:53:10
>> for 2 hours. It goes pitch dark. The
00:53:12
sound's really great. You're in a
00:53:14
stadium. There's almost no one there.
00:53:16
>> It's fantastic. I mean, the world just
00:53:18
quiets down. It's way bigger deal than
00:53:20
it was to me in the '90s.
00:53:22
>> Now it's like I I'm going to turn it
00:53:24
off.
00:53:24
>> Well, at home when I watch movie, I look
00:53:26
at my phone and I got when I go to the
00:53:28
theater.
00:53:28
>> I you you're also disturbing people. So,
00:53:31
>> it's one more reason to go just [ __ ]
00:53:33
for a little bit. Even though you get
00:53:34
itchy, you go,
00:53:35
>> "Oh, no. Totally." or like when you hear
00:53:37
it like buzz, you know, you're like
00:53:38
wonder what it was.
00:53:40
>> It's that that's
00:53:41
>> Let me ask you a question about the
00:53:42
summer blockbusters and which one that
00:53:44
you might have enjoyed the most. I I was
00:53:46
in my own head because I did see all
00:53:48
three in the theater cuz
00:53:50
>> Jurassic Park,
00:53:51
>> right?
00:53:51
>> Um
00:53:52
>> are they Mission Impossible and
00:53:53
Superman? Those three Yes.
00:53:56
>> all did really well and got a lot of
00:53:58
people in the theaters, which is great
00:53:59
for the movie industry.
00:54:00
>> Yes.
00:54:01
>> Do you have a favorite?
00:54:02
>> You're going to love this.
00:54:03
>> You don't have to say.
00:54:04
>> I didn't see ANY OF THEM. WHAT?
00:54:06
>> I DIDN'T see any of that.
00:54:07
>> Fantastic 4.
00:54:08
>> No, I'm I'm I hate to say I'm not a
00:54:10
superhero guy.
00:54:11
>> Okay. What's your favorite movie in the
00:54:13
last few years? What's the movie that's
00:54:15
really float floated your boat besides
00:54:17
Dunkirk?
00:54:18
>> So, I'm just throwing stuff out. There
00:54:19
you go. Exactly.
00:54:20
>> Once upon a time in Hollywood.
00:54:21
>> Uh that was I I enjoyed that very much.
00:54:24
I really like that. I I mean I have to
00:54:26
say I think well there's a movie called
00:54:28
Abigail
00:54:29
>> that I loved. It was this vampire movie,
00:54:31
but it it's a straightup comedy. It's it
00:54:33
cuz it's so bananas. You got to watch
00:54:35
it.
00:54:36
>> That's on the machine.
00:54:36
>> No, exactly. Yeah, that's on the
00:54:38
machine. You can definitely get on the
00:54:39
machine.
00:54:39
>> I've heard of that. That's
00:54:40
>> Megan. I thought Megan was great. The
00:54:42
first Megan. I didn't see the second one
00:54:43
yet. Um
00:54:45
>> Yeah. I mean,
00:54:46
>> I got you. Is Allison Williams and
00:54:47
Megan?
00:54:49
>> Yes.
00:54:49
>> She's the mom.
00:54:50
>> Yeah, she's the
00:54:51
>> It starts like a tragic beginning,
00:54:53
right?
00:54:53
>> Oh, no. Totally. Well, it's actually a
00:54:55
really funny beginning because it starts
00:54:56
with the ad for the dolls for this other
00:54:58
dolls they're trying to sell. That's I
00:54:59
go like, "Okay, I they It's so smart.
00:55:03
You got to set the tone right at the
00:55:04
beginning of a movie."
00:55:05
>> Yeah. You said open with Did you say
00:55:06
that? Opening.
00:55:08
>> It's You got to get something right
00:55:10
away. It's almost like a TikTok.
00:55:11
>> We just got to let people know how to
00:55:12
watch the movie,
00:55:13
>> right? Okay. Horror films are the the
00:55:15
highest money makers at the moment. At
00:55:18
the moment.
00:55:18
>> At the moment.
00:55:19
>> I was just curious just before we let
00:55:20
you go, it's just like what what movies
00:55:23
do you love just off the top of your
00:55:25
head? You don't have to say your
00:55:26
favorite. just of all time. Way back of
00:55:28
all time. I mean, my favorite movie of
00:55:30
all time is It's a Wonderful Life.
00:55:32
>> And not that I think it's the greatest
00:55:33
movie ever made, but I think it
00:55:35
accomplishes everything a movie is
00:55:36
supposed to accomplish. It makes you
00:55:38
cry. It makes you happy. It makes you
00:55:39
sad. It It takes you through dramatic
00:55:41
things and it's uplifting at the end.
00:55:43
So, I always love that one.
00:55:45
>> I I I concur. I I literally It's a thing
00:55:48
my wife just laughs because if I talk
00:55:50
about that movie with people
00:55:52
>> and I just And I don't know if it'll get
00:55:54
me now, but it's like a trigger.
00:55:55
>> You get emotional. Oh, no. When the
00:55:56
people come to the end and they say, "We
00:55:59
heard No, it's I'm already feeling it.
00:56:00
We heard George."
00:56:02
>> Sorry. Yeah.
00:56:03
>> Bailey was in trouble. I don't know why.
00:56:05
That gets me every time.
00:56:07
>> It's fantastic. And you know the the
00:56:08
backstory on that movie is it it
00:56:10
literally bankrupted the studio that
00:56:12
created it. Yeah. It was Capra and and
00:56:15
some other guys started the studio,
00:56:16
Liberty Studios, I think it was called
00:56:18
to and and it was so poorly received and
00:56:21
so destroyed by the critics.
00:56:23
>> Cap Capricorn.
00:56:24
>> Yes. Capricorn. Exactly. But it was only
00:56:27
because when you know TV came around and
00:56:31
they it was something that they could
00:56:32
put on for free or for like no money. So
00:56:35
they just started playing it over and
00:56:36
over again at Christmas time and that's
00:56:38
how it became this big.
00:56:39
>> Oh boy. I kind of like those stories.
00:56:41
>> I like those stories too because when
00:56:42
critics [ __ ] all over your movies, you
00:56:43
go maybe there's a second chance.
00:56:45
>> So what else is on your list off the top
00:56:46
of your head?
00:56:47
>> Uh Doctor Strange Love, one of my
00:56:49
favorites of all time. Um Bringing Up
00:56:52
Baby, one of my favorite movies of all
00:56:54
time. That was with Heburn.
00:56:56
>> Stewart.
00:56:56
>> He and No. And um you're you're the guy
00:57:00
that nobody knows the that you do
00:57:02
anymore. Uh
00:57:02
>> Carrie Grant.
00:57:03
>> Carrie Grant.
00:57:03
>> Yeah. Carrie Grant. Right.
00:57:04
>> In one of his funniest roles ever. He
00:57:06
plays a nerd and it's hilarious.
00:57:08
>> I like to bring up babies.
00:57:10
>> Something about the babies that I just
00:57:11
love.
00:57:12
>> It's a fun voice to do. It's the
00:57:13
weirdest voice in film.
00:57:15
>> Yeah, totally. It's It's fantastic.
00:57:16
>> Do you like 2001 of Space Odyssey?
00:57:18
>> I do. I love it.
00:57:19
>> You like that?
00:57:20
>> Love that movie.
00:57:21
>> It's so funny. When I was in film
00:57:23
school, um I had a friend and he was
00:57:25
like, "Oh man, if they made that movie
00:57:26
today, the sound would be so much
00:57:28
better." And all I go, "No, the reason
00:57:29
that movie is great is cuz there's no
00:57:30
sound." Like where they're in space,
00:57:32
it's just silent and it's so creepy. You
00:57:35
know, when that guy's trying to get back
00:57:36
in and they're trying to grab him, I'm
00:57:37
like, "Oh, it's so harrowing." And then
00:57:38
he goes drift. I never got that for
00:57:40
years. It took me I kept thinking about
00:57:42
that guy who drifted off into
00:57:43
>> and the greatest death scene in a movie.
00:57:46
Yeah, totally.
00:57:46
>> I can feel it, Dave.
00:57:48
>> I can feel it. Daisy,
00:57:50
>> we're
00:57:52
>> And now here we are in the world of AI.
00:57:54
>> Well, Paul, that's the scary part. And
00:57:56
and we all I can in three years I can
00:57:58
make a movie with my computer like
00:57:59
Apocalypse Now, right?
00:58:01
>> I refuse to believe that's going to
00:58:02
happen.
00:58:03
>> Garbage. Your movie.
00:58:04
>> Apocalypse Now is garbage.
00:58:05
>> No, I mean if you're going to go make it
00:58:07
on your computer with
00:58:08
>> Yeah, I know. Exactly. You still need
00:58:10
human experience. Exactly. Exactly.
00:58:11
>> So, um, well, any final thoughts? You've
00:58:14
been on the David Spade podcast.
00:58:15
>> I want to know if you would think I
00:58:17
could handle the Conjuring.
00:58:19
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love the
00:58:21
Conjuring movies, but would you enjoy
00:58:23
it? If you
00:58:24
>> No, I won't. I'll mean
00:58:27
>> that's based on re if it's as any real.
00:58:29
If there's any devil, I can't take it.
00:58:30
>> Go to see Weapons.
00:58:32
>> Weapons is a good
00:58:34
>> Okay. You and Dana both like it.
00:58:36
>> You will enjoy it.
00:58:36
>> It's mostly funny and and it's filmed. I
00:58:40
thought the beginning, the first act is
00:58:42
so interestingly
00:58:43
>> Yeah. The first act you'll go like, "Oh,
00:58:45
this gonna be really scary." And then it
00:58:48
because it jumps around different POVs
00:58:50
of the different characters and then
00:58:51
let's just say Amy Madigan is brilliant
00:58:53
in the movie.
00:58:54
>> I didn't know it until I was going to
00:58:56
the end credits. Yeah,
00:58:57
>> you're going to get pop outs, you know,
00:58:59
and you know when they're coming, the
00:59:00
camera's in tight. What I do is I sort
00:59:02
of
00:59:02
>> There's not too many of those cuz I
00:59:03
don't I don't like
00:59:05
>> three of those kind,
00:59:07
you know. Um just squint during those.
00:59:10
I'm in my late dancing line. Take a beta
00:59:12
blocker and
00:59:13
>> I'll take a beta blocker and go.
00:59:15
>> All right. Thank you, Paul. And I will
00:59:16
uh movie house. We will go December
00:59:20
19th.
00:59:20
>> December 19th in theaters only.
00:59:22
>> Theaters only.
00:59:23
>> I'm going to see it and then I'm going
00:59:24
to hit you up after tell.
00:59:25
>> You bet. I can't wait.
00:59:26
>> Perfect. All right. Bye guys. I'm going
00:59:27
to go.
00:59:28
>> Bye everybody.
00:59:29
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00:59:29
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00:59:31
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00:59:31
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