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Sharon Stone what can you say are you're gon to be listening to her in 22 seconds
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depend how long we go you wish it'll be way longer Sharon Stone you know just
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did my first movie with the lovely Sharon Stone she was perfectly wonderful on it uh we didn't have a lot of scenes
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together but we stayed in the same apartment complex every time I see her I bore the [ __ ] out of her that story and
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I thought I saw at the Oscar at a thing um and I went hunting for I wanted to say hi to her and she's always fun
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upbeat and very much a movie star and sort of kind of old school movie star just really pretty from from Basic
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Instinct on actually from Total Recall on always followed what she did she's
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very interesting to talk to I mean she mentioned Humphrey Bogart you know first time we kind of dove into Humphrey
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Bogart the way his suits were tailored so shander's in a lot of different directions she's a painter that has
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shows all over the world she's been an icon figure in American Cinema we'll talk a
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lot about casino and what's difference between acting with Joe pesi and Robert
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that's right there is well you're not if you're driving your car you're going boy
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I'm not pulling over I'm gonna listen to this STI it out she's Charming smart and
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um quite a delight one of the few hosts that took a pee break she says I'm I
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allowed to take a pee break and David said no and I said no no no come on I said uh you're the only host to do it
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but let's do it and she hosted SNL too uh she was such a good sport and we talk
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about the the comedy that we did in in 1992 with Sharon Stone we would be literally arrested now so she was a good
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sport about it but that was 1992 someone would have come out of the HS and done a Citizens
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cancel just hold you till the cops come to cancel you it was uh it's it was a
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but she was uh so good in it she said well anyway listen to this podcast it's
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really interesting I enjoyed it there she [Music] is hi long time I haven't seen you how
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are you I know why do you look the same and I look like I belong in an old folks
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home we are getting old aren't we it's incredible Sharon thought I was Nick
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Noti when she jumped on that's true I did you do have a a Noti sort of from Prince of Tides though or from Jesus
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you need a little bit more of that shag cut into the top of your hair to be Nick
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NTI did you know that Nick nly and Mickey roor are best friends well I gotta say they're both unbelievably nice
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men I know both of them quite well I worked with um Nick which was fantastic I did a movie with Nick and Jeff Bridges
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it was wonderful and then h a Sam Shepard film and then Mickey I've known forever I went to Russia with with um
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Mickey to to help raise money for children's sonology Ward and Mickey and his best friend went
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out and got a Santa suit and bought presents for every kid in the ward and he's just so kind Mickey's such
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a kind man and so crazy brilliant the wrestler he did you know a few years back not kind of a Next Level type of
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acting Nicholas Cage you know in the early days they all wanted to be friends with Mickey yeah so Nicholas Cage wanted
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to be friends he' be like yeah I'll come over and he said that Mickey roric would
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always have him go to like the store on the way over there hey could you get me some orange
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juice funny so so nice Nick is a fabulous actor too wow Nikki Noy yeah no Nick cage he'll make these incred strange
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movies and no matter what he does they're so fascinating Pig was fabulous I don't
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know if you saw that it was about yes I did see it he he he doesn't believe in
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realism he's he I did a movie with him once he goes in this next take I'm gonna
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do Daniel D Lewis from the name of the father but the movie had nothing it was a comedy nothing to do with that so he
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came in and he just dropped to his sneeze why why he is the most eccentric the funniest guy ever but he's he's he's
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he's uh got all these cool character Parts he's doing lately that are so
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brilliant just quirky movies yeah yeah who was you when you were a little girl I just I I like to do Oprah stuff
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like who were the actors or actresses that you went holy [ __ ] or the movies that you saw iess with Humphrey Bogart
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he was the Great greatest greatest greatest actor and he was so cool and his suit jackets always fit really
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well um the back of his suit jackets fit really beautifully around his waist and
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his bum tailored so beautifully like someone knew how to like really fit his clothes and I thought Spencer Tracy was
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really so um he had such a great way of expressing his tenderness in a very quiet way he had such
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a quality where you really felt like you could trust him somehow he had something
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where he let you open up to the characters he played and I really like that do you know what's in my uh my wife
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and I I always I always go by movie you you will revisit and so guess Guess Who's Coming to Dinner it's become a
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thing that we see once a year now yeah and Spencer Trac if you know his speech at the end uh you know just cut you in
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half uh to to about the love of Sydney potier and you know Sydney po by the way what a phenomenal human being and I had
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the great joy and pleasure of being friends with Sydney and you know he gave me a lot of advice over the years and
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what a good man just what a wow elegant elegant man just to watch him walk El it was
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just yeah a great wisdom about life and a great understanding about life and I know I got to make him
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laugh once I did these events for Cedar Sinai heart stuff and uh I would do like
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my little shtick and then he stopped me and I was so nervous to be around him and he's I've seen you many times and he
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gave me a compliment so I said I used to do you so I all I could think of was they call me Mr tibs which was 1968 or
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something was unbelievable in that movie with rodar he was so oh yeah In the Heat
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of the Night yeah because you know I had the also the privilege of working with rodiger earlier in my career and you
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know he was tough he wasn't fooling around man and he put you through your Paces on set I mean he was a tough dude
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and you know I'm sure he wasn't easy on Sydney either yeah whatever chemistry
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they had I think it's one of the seminal moments in film history is when I believe Sydney po slaps some white
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southern guy yeah he slaps the sheriff when the sheriff slaps him slaps him back yeah and that was like
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phenomenal yeah You' who who haven't you worked with I haven't worked with some
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of the like I haven't worked with Javier bardam who is someone I would like to
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work with um I haven't worked a lot of these like new directors and I would really like to do that um I say new
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they're probably not so new but they're new since since my spree in the 90s you
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know uh there's a lot great young people now that are really exciting you know um who do you who do you think shif
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LA or no sorry uh sh who sh sorry Shila labou I'm sorry a great actor I am I
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like I think Shila is is actually very very talented and I think tremendous I think he's really really intelligent and
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I think that his intelligence is probably a bit high for our occupation and I think that people don't always
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understand him I think the Opera that he did the sh laou Opera was so brilliant and that some of these things that he
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does are probably just a little over the head of some of the people that are looking at him you know I had the
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opportunity to sit next to him one night at an event and he was just a he's brilliant human being um and I see this
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with some actors that people don't understand sometimes they're just super
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smart well like me but you know with with Shila Buff I think he comes out in Transformers and people just think he's
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going to have sort of a cookie cutter situation career that they could predict and he does something a little beyond
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that and beyond that every time and people don't quite get it and they they're like wait what are you doing and
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he should be allowed to do all that because it's very cool can I ask you both a question what was the name of the
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movie where it was about his childhood and his dad was a stage dad and that's
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such a heartbreaking movie and if that is autobiographical you can see where all
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his his stuff comes interesting because I I just saw a little clip of William defo talking about how all actors are
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scared and if they're not scared they don't give a [ __ ] and frankly I don't
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think that's really true and I think that sh is one of them that isn't scared
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and he also isn't that he doesn't give a [ __ ] I think that he grew up with so
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much Terror that like this thing that he does now expressing the truth of his imagination
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is probably the most freeing and lacks such severe consequences that he is able to go beyond some of the things that
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people who haven't been through what he's been through can can ascertain and
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can can get to you know yeah he has that quality like you feel like he needs to do this you know it's medicinal it's not
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like a just a career it's an art it's his vocation yeah right and I think for
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many of us who just keep going it's because it really is our vocation being an artist really is our vocation it's
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not just a job you know in the beginning I thought oh you're supposed to take all
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these parts because you know came from a very bluecar family and I thought well that's what jobs are yeah you're
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supposed to just work I didn't really understand that we were actually allowed
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to be our whole self as an artist you know that's not something that anybody talks to you about when you
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start becoming an actor that you should express yourself fully especially woman they're like shut [ __ ] up it's personal
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it's not like switching jobs at a department store it's it's not any
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complaint it's it's a glamorous profession to to The Outsiders but when you're in something that really really
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sucks and you know you're going down with the ship and the bullets you're out
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in front of the bullets and you go to the dailies you go oh this sucks it's a
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horrible and I always knew that meant I was going to be the one selling it because all the M abandon ship and she
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selling this one yeah and it would be called Sharon Stones whatever like as if it's you were the director the producer
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the writer you know that's it's did you uh run into a lot of Macho men in the 80s that treated women
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not very well 80s and I mean I don't know is was it pish men no I know I'm kidding but when I
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when I started working the rules were very different you know people were taking their penises out in the makeup
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trailer and doing coke off the back of the makeup mirrors and hookers were coming to the set and drug dealers and
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all that lot of coke yeah yeah you know you you're old enough to remember this
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stuff remember I I would I would hear men in a room talk about women with such contempt together it it kind of shocked
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me because I had like a rough childhood I didn't like the way my dad treated my
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mom and I didn't come from that place but yeah there's a lot of anger toward
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women like whoa whoa where is this coming from yeah so you obviously you went through the gauntlet and a lot of
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the brunt of that anger because if you're a woman that's starts to get any
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power at all like shut up you know they you started producing co-producing production company you were taking the
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Reigns of your career and they're like Sharon you're doing really well we still
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want you to shut up do you understand yeah exactly yeah and and and I heard really recently like as recently as a
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few weeks ago a statement about me which was nobody likes a loudmouth broad did you just think that was about
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you or was it about it was a direct it was directly about me and oh Jesus so Harvey
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Weinstein gave an interview or prison he hasn't and and I get it I get it I really get it because um I am a
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loudmouth robot and and I get it I get I really do understand [Music] it before you who who tried to take the
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Reigns away from the men and who who pushed back like you and you of our generation was probably the first and
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also was in this spectacular Global hit which gave you so much power um but was were there anyone before you that you
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look to would Katherine he pretty tough in a way you wouldn't take you know she
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made her own production company which was so unheard of Betty Davis made her own production company which was really
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really unheard of Lucy Lucy who I actually met and got to put on stage a couple of times early when I
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was doing events um I got to be the wing person that got to put her on stage so I met some really
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interesting people from that Old Guard and you know it was I mean it's it's not nice to say
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that these women were battle AES it's a weird expression but they had battled
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their way through I mean hardcore battling it and they wore that battle you know it
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wasn't it wasn't easily won anything that any of those women did well you you came through which is
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slightly different from I would say there uh as a sex symbol what whatever you want to call it so when you were
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exploding you also were a sex symbol and a woman it was a it was a it was a different Lane than previous there might
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have been other beautiful women but you were the first that I think played essentially got a Golden Globe or could
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have been Academy Award nomination for Basic Instinct and also being very very a beautiful young woman um so were you
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the first in that way to explode in a movie as the co-lead with Michael Douglas I think no one was really ready
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for what happened with that movie you know it it was tough to make that film we had a lot a lot of
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resistance um a lot of resistance in the street a lot of resistance everywhere um
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I I mean resistance within there was just it was a hard movie to get made it was a hard movie to
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make it was a hard movie to finish um my name wasn't even you know on the poster
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you know I was not it was a Michael Douglas movie it was Michael Douglas Basic Instinct and I was on the poster
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but not my name which ultimately worked out to be quite beneficial for me because people were like who's the girl
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right you know who's that girl gez she's all through that movie who's that girl
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and it did you audition did you have to audition a bunch who did you beat out I auditioned for uh eight and a half
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months and I was the 13th woman that they offered the film to they didn't offer it to me right away um I had to
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wait for 13 other more important actresses to turn it down and many they really wanted Michelle feifer they
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didn't want me um but she turned it down and they kept going back to her and she
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kept turning it down thankfully and they offered it to just a ton of different people that weren't me and I just kept
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hanging in there and I kept screen testing and I kept auditioning for over eight months wow it's smart you didn't
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say [ __ ] this I'm not it's now it's getting humiliating I'm G to walk away
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you just stayed stayed stayed no did that for Casino too I mean they saw every show girl in Vegas they saw tons
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and tons and tons of actresses and by the time Casino came around I was like I am not going to line up with show girls
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and I am not going to line up with the other 3,000 actresses and I finally just said no I'm not coming in until you get
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down to Serious casting and I'm done being yanked around in the business I really want this part and I'm really
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right for it and when you get to real casting let me know wow I mean it just so shows you because You' done Total
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Recall before Basic Instinct sure Paul and then you know and then you done many other movies so yeah just you're always
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auditioning in Hollywood never was Total Recall really big it just I mean it can't compete with I guess Basic
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Instinct but Total Recall in my collection was huge it was big and I was famous for a few months and then it kind
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of you know what I mean yeah that's what happened it buys you six more months in
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the business yeah it was like okay you did that and then one but it didn't hold
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enough power to get me the part uh in Basic Instinct [ __ ] wow so then here you
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are in your career Basic Instinct goes crazy and then you get a call from Lauren Michaels
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well I you know I think Lauren is a wonderful person I mean you guys have much closer relationships with him quite
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obviously than I do but he personally saved my life you know I came to do Saturday Night Live with you guys um
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which I was so excited to do and scared really scared and I came out to do the monologue live which is always super
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scary and oh yeah um a bunch of people started uh storming the stage saying they were going to kill me during the
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opening monologue and the the police that are always in there during all that and the security that's
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always in there froze because they' never seen anything like that happen and
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they sort of they froze and Lauren started screaming what are you guys doing watching the [ __ ] show and
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Lauren started beat himself beating up and pulling these people back from the stage
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and the stage manager looked at me and went hold for five and I thought he meant five minutes and he meant five
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seconds and so all these people were getting beat up and handcuffed right in front of me and we went
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live and I was doing this Live monologue while they were handcuffing and beating
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up people at my feet and if you think the monologue is scary to start with try doing it while people are saying they're
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going to kill you and they're handcuffing them while you're doing the monologue can I what were they so mad
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about yeah yeah what well first of all when you watch it on YouTube are you watching the dress monologue or it's
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actually the one right after the melee when you watch it on YouTube the M real okay what were they mad about they were
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mad because it was the beginning of my work as an AIDS field worker and as an AIDS activist and they didn't understand
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nobody understood at that time what was really happening and they didn't know if
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Amar could be trusted or if we were against gay people or what was they didn't really know and so instead of
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waiting for an informative intelligent conversation they just decided well we'll just kill her and it was like it
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was very intense and I went through you know a couple years of really tough times with that until we people started
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to really understand what we were trying to do and um gosh I just I was so not prepared and
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in those days as you remember the audience wasn't up like it is now you literally ran through the audience to
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make your changes and so every time we were making a change and you're really
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physically changing your clothes while you're running through the audience I
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was just terrified I I honestly I I blacked out for half of the show I knew part I mean we did that skip going
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through the um airport security I'm sure you remember that and uh you know it's all funny but I came
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too for that one I mean I came to for like to SK I came to for but for most of the show I was completely blacked out
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with Terror I didn't even know where I was first of all I mean I well as you
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mentioned this I remember it but I must have been getting a on or something but you're saying that Lauren Michaels
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actually waited in how many were there like 10 people and they must have been like secret agents they had to go in
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very stealthy a how many there were or if there were three or five or something but it wasn't huge number of people but
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it was it was enough that Lauren was in there physically trying to contain them himself helping and he told me about it
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at the party he said it was uh you know there was a sucker punch um I I I went forut um I think that Jen hooks had a
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gentleman in a headlock and then like Sharon landed the monologue it was like that it was so well the monologue was
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great I watched it I watched it this morning and I want to apologize publicly for the uh Security check sketch where I
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played in an Indian man and we're convincing Sharon her character or whatever to take her clothes off to go
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through the security thing Rob just want it's it's it's so 1992 it's from another era I feel very I
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you know I don't have as many um I know the difference between a misdemeanor and
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a felony and I think that we were all committing misdemeanors because we didn't think that they were there was
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something wrong then we didn't have this sense I had much bigger problems than
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that you know what I mean that was funny to me I didn't care I was fine being the
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butt of the joke but I I I feel like now we're in such a weird and precious time where because people
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have spent too much time alone people don't know how to be funny and intimate and or any of these things
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with each other and body so afraid that they're putting up such barriers around
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everything that people can't be normal with each other anymore it's lost all
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sense of reason we need real laws so that we know what's a felony what's a
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misdemeanor and what's an offense to me and and you can say I'm offended no
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that's against the law you know we need to know uh and the fact that we don't know has a lot of
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people who shouldn't be making up things making them up well as a comedian you do
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self-censor yourself or if you're sitting around with friends and you're
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kind of laughing thinking to St you go oh you can't say that or you can't say
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that or you can't do that you just automatically get into that zone where you know obviously for me when I was
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doing the Indian character and I actually have an Indian cardiologist who's famous and whenever I do events
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for him he wants me to do him um there there was no malice in it there was no sense of try it was really me
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rhythmically trying to get laughs so I just want to say that watching it it is comedy needs a straight person and you
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were perfect in it you were completely sincere and you made us funny because you're like oh come on guys really and
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then all right but this is the last one so the idea that you were blacked out in
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that but no she woke up for that one oh you woke up for that one I usually woke up when people start asking me to take
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my clothes off have a tendency to wake up for that these buzzword take off your flouse yeah yeah that whole show was
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really fun Pearl Jam um oh my God I remember I just started and we were looking forward going oh my God Sharon
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Stone and Pearl Jam coming up you imagine what a beautiful I mean that's a beautiful memory well we all loved
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hanging out with you and you had a uh a wing woman it was incredibly nice too I'm sorry I forget her name probably
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your best friend but she was there all week too excuse me Mimi yeah who was incredibly nice and the two of you were
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so charming and nice and it was it was just fun um it was a fun show for me having you out there and I don't know
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just I thought you were great oh it's really fun i' I'd love to do it again um
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you know Lauren always says oh you're welcome back any time because I think he
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wants to make it up to me that I on the show and no try to kill me um we've had death squads before but
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um sh was the first um I think that uh sorry we love Lauren can't Lauren is a singularity of
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a human being and with a gigantic brain and a gigantic heart but we can't not do
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him because he's so fun to inhabit that attitude David did you have something to
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say I was just saying that early in my uh um days when I was 21 I did a uh my first movie with Sharon and she was had
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a part in it and she couldn't have been more stunning and I couldn't have been
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more Star Struck and she wasn't even a star and she was so lovely on it I was a
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skateboarder in it and aside two things I remember from that movie Sharon was in
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my same apartment complex the where they put us up and when she was wrapped a little earlier than me she gave me all
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her stuff from her apartment in her fridge which I took and and uh cuz I blew all my prdm at the uh strip club
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and then this is in Toronto and then and the other thing I remember is when I was
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at the rap party I thirstily went to the rap party and uh I went and I had a headache before I went so I went and
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bought their version of Tylenol which is 222s which are just all coding it's like
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taking four Viking and so I started getting feeling better at the party then I said I think I'm going to go home then
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I said I think I'm going to Sprint home and it was about three miles then I was
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going to dig a pool and then I was just running around Toronto all night cuz I didn't know why I was so wired and I
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didn't put together that they're they're over-the-counter coding yeah which is
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why I want to move back that's a long story I think I still have a bottle of
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that in my medicine cabinet H oh my God it was so great I couldn't believe it
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then I was like oh wait I'm gonna be the first one to get addicted that'll be my
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goal uh but anyway Sharon was lovely and then when she came on SNL it was very fun for me CU I was just a new writer
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but I thought she went up on a rock Rock ET ship and she was doing great and she
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was perfectly sweet to everyone there for being that level of craziness like you can't even imagine that Whirlwind
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and then just had a real fun week with us I went home and when I got in the airport Mimi went to get the luggage so
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I could go and get in the limo and while she was gone these two we used there used to be a guy called the kamakazi
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paparazzi and he and his friend they Dove the limo driver got out to put the bags in the back of the car and they
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dove in the front of the driver's seat and started screaming like they were like warriors on crack or something and
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we coming through the space to the back seat taking pictures of me while they were screaming at the top of their lungs
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it was so crazy and the driver had to pull them out and he started beating them up to get them out of the car and
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then we got and we started down the freeway and they started behind us and they kept hitting limo with their car
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they kept rear ending us and sideswiping us and it was so terrifying and I kept I
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got the police on the phone and the police are like well stop stop the car because we don't know which town from
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the airport to my house you're in and I'm like I'm not going to stop the car
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they keep hitting me they're hitting me I'm terrified to stop the car because I
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don't know what they'll do to me and they're like well we don't know how to
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help you because you're moving you're moving Target and I'm like I think you
00:31:00
better get a helicopter because they're ramming the [ __ ] out of our car and that
00:31:06
used to be legal you know and I think now about these young superstars like Taylor Swift and stuff like how did she
00:31:15
get from one place to the next safely I think that there's a lot of security
00:31:22
that's never discussed because it it has to be a small army and very stealthy it
00:31:27
has to be I would think 247 but you know when this happened to me the studios weren't going to pay me more money and
00:31:35
they weren't going to pay for an army of security and I I didn't make the money
00:31:41
to pay for it myself because they weren't paying women and it was a freaking nightmare I mean helicopters in
00:31:49
my backyard and just [ __ ] craziness and no one seemed to think there was a reason to give me the money to to take
00:31:59
care of myself and yet there was a reason to keep pushing me out [Music] there were you dating back then or were
00:32:10
you married that that's another thing it's hard to keep secret I was dating uh
00:32:16
I don't not during Basic Instinct but I met uh my boyfriend at the time Bob Wagner on the quick and the dead and we
00:32:23
were together for several years which which was very helpful very helpful oh we had one
00:32:29
question we don't know this is an actor question uh why is Michael Douglas so
00:32:34
good at playing guilty horny men who are succumbing to seductive women Fatal Attraction Basic Instinct and disclosure
00:32:44
what is the secret sauce because no one looks more guilty than Michael uh but you you two were great in
00:32:54
the in the Basic Instinct you're being a smart person and I think he really knows
00:33:01
what works and what will work and what won't work and he's a fantastic producer
00:33:09
you know and he's also a fantastic activist he he really has a sense of the world and how it works and what's
00:33:18
happening and what isn't happening and I think he picks projects that he knows
00:33:24
how to handle and how to make them work and how to make them sell and I think he's you know he's he said to me when I
00:33:33
when I came on to do the show he said you got the best part the villain is the best part you can because you don't have
00:33:41
to follow any rules at all you can do whatever you want you can play it the way you feel like it and you can do
00:33:47
anything at any time because a villain doesn't have to be consistent or Dependable in any way you can just do
00:33:55
anything at any time and you don't have to explain why you're doing it and I
00:33:59
think it's a really good hook on that so when he plays the unlikable person he
00:34:04
just lets it go well yeah well you two were so good together in that and uh he's great also
00:34:13
he's great it's really you know verhoven is a fantastic director and he's not
00:34:18
afraid of the perverse or the kinky or the strange you know he just really not afraid yeah basic can goes some places
00:34:29
that are definitely at that time or maybe in today just interesting psychosocial not even sexual but just
00:34:36
sort of people that are damaged or whatever you want to call it no like when he did Robocop and he had the robot
00:34:42
screen turn off it was the first time that a movie went black to see how long an audience could sit in the theater
00:34:50
with a black screen and have it meaningful and have the audience to consume that empty space as part of
00:34:57
their own journey I mean he takes a lot of risks and you know I think it might have
00:35:05
been I don't know but in one another one of his movies where he started using
00:35:10
humans as a bullet shield and no one had done that before and it was considered so out there you know and we look at
00:35:18
what we see now you know is so nothing we've come a long way that's great us did you okay don't
00:35:28
underestimate the perverseness of America that's the big lesson like they always it's a lesson now isn't it yeah
00:35:35
it's nothing like a human shield I have a question for her uh absorbs the bullets I have a question too you go
00:35:41
ahead okay you go okay well the quick one is Margot Robbie is sort of in your situation now would would Barbie be
00:35:48
something that you would have been interested in uh is that up your alley that kind of movie I went to the studio
00:35:54
to try to make Barbie in the 90s bingo with another a producer friend of mine and I had uh the then uh I guess he was
00:36:04
the CEO of Mattel uh on our side and I literally we got thrown out of the studio they were like why would you take
00:36:14
this American Icon and want to destroy it like what is wrong with you I mean I got a lecture and an escort to the door
00:36:24
do you run them to them today and just go guys oh they're not they're not there
00:36:30
anymore you okay but um I think uh you know if they're still alive they probably
00:36:38
think I hate her was it gonna be what what kind of angle would you take on a Barbie back
00:36:45
then I wouldn't even think of what to do with know what to do well I mean we had
00:36:48
it so that the opening scene would be Barbie pulling up to Mattel in her Barbie car and then Secret Service come
00:36:56
out and their feed her as big as the car and they escort her into Mattel and everybody just Falls aside because she's
00:37:03
the most important member of Mattel and how all the big people are chasing her around and kissing her ass because she's
00:37:13
the queen of Mattel and about the power of being Barbie and what Barbie could do
00:37:20
in the world because she was so powerful but wow well were ahead of your time no they didn't think Barbie should
00:37:29
be powerful the men were behind the times then keep Barbie in the dream car or whatever yeah in her Barbie dream car
00:37:37
keep her quiet yeah and Ken so the quick in the the quick in the dead which is a
00:37:42
movie I love Western uh Jean Hackman Russell Crow before he was Russell Crow you were a producer on the movie I know
00:37:52
you fought for him and then Leonardo Di Caprio as a fetus he's like 15 or something
00:37:58
he turned 1 on our movies and didn't you insist on him or pay his salary I don't
00:38:04
know I read stuff that um about your relationship with those two actors Russell Crow and leard DiCaprio I really
00:38:10
believed in I really did believe in both of them I I felt that both of them were
00:38:15
sort of teed up to become major Stars I I thought they were both very unusually talented and in specific ways and um you
00:38:26
know there's a pattern in film making right and I thought that Russell was like the
00:38:33
Richard Burton of his time that he was you know that actor who could play you know the captain of a ship the you know
00:38:42
he had that heavy masculinity and that was sort of fading out in that period when we had oh I
00:38:50
think there was a name for it then it was different it was like men were kind of I don't know there was a name for it
00:38:58
where men could metrosexuals that's what it was metrosexual and Russell certainly not
00:39:06
metrosexual Russell was very you know old school man and I felt there was a place for that in our industry I felt
00:39:16
this way about Ken Wabi that was a big place for him in film and you know I just I I see different actors and I
00:39:25
think oh you've really got it I just met a a guy named Aaron Pierre and I feel certain that this guy Aaron
00:39:34
Pierre is GNA be a gigantic star just G just gigantic I think he's just gonna
00:39:41
explode in stardom he what is his type what do he look like is he is a Russell Crow or is he a he just has played
00:39:51
Malcolm X in the upcoming limited series about Malcolm X oh okay and he's he's a
00:39:59
big kind of strongl looking uh has just a beautiful elocution he's got a certain way about
00:40:08
him he carries something that just to me screams startom I think he's really
00:40:15
gonna be a just a huge star huge okay um we will have you back on our podcast in uh in a year we'll track it
00:40:26
and we're we're going to talk all about that guy one thing about Russell Crow I
00:40:30
just wanted to say is because I do voices he like he has a Next Level deep voice and a and a big deep voice and one
00:40:40
of my favorite movies I don't know if you guys have seen it Master and Commander that Peter Weir did with
00:40:45
Russell Crow playing the commander TR shot numers try shot guns and it's really hard to do him because he's like
00:40:52
Obama it's it's a tonally uh but and Leonardo just um obviously he's just
00:40:58
aged into this incredible actor and he looks so so young in the quick and the dead and he was Bo he he was so
00:41:08
infested and he was so um able to access his vulnerability and the other kids that
00:41:17
came in were really good I mean Matt Damon came in for the part and he was so good so
00:41:25
good a stud but Leo came in and he he cried when his father rejected him when Gan Hackman rejected him Leo was the
00:41:36
only one that cried and wanted his dad wanted his dad to notice him and care about him and and he was trying so hard
00:41:47
to be enough of a man that his father would pay attention to him which was really the Crux of the character and the
00:41:56
Crux of the devel velopment and when he was going to die and couldn't get it he
00:42:01
just you know he was crying for his father's attention and affection and it was so profoundly moving and so brave
00:42:09
for a 17-year-old kid to come in on an audition and let that out and I I just thought that kid has a lot going on and
00:42:19
he is going a long ways because not any other person came in and we saw everybody in the town not every anybody
00:42:28
else that came in was willing to just rip it open like that and that's why I I
00:42:35
stood up for him because I thought you know you have a kind of guts in your vulnerability that is what makes a star
00:42:44
and that combination of intense courage with your own vulnerability is so rare and he just hasn't in Spades I mean
00:42:58
that's why you see him in The Wolf of Wall Street and he just lets it rip you
00:43:03
know and he's not embarrassed or ashamed or uh pulling his punches you know and
00:43:10
that's absolutely fascinating yeah he's a good movie star you know and you were
00:43:16
saying Sydney porier earlier I was wondering it I'm sure there are but it doesn't seem like there's as many of
00:43:22
those old school elegant great looking cool movie stars like there used to be there probably is but I think when you
00:43:30
grow up with a certain ones that you look up to it feels like there it's thinning a bit Yeah I think this this
00:43:37
this kid this he doesn't look like a kid but he uh is Young this Aon Pierre has
00:43:42
that I think he has that elegance and you're right it is so rare because for
00:43:48
some reason young people seem to have this kind of disregard and disrespect for the way they appear in
00:43:57
public in the way they treat the press as though the Press isn't your soul liaison to the
00:44:07
public it's like get a clue if they don't want to shoot you and they don't
00:44:12
want to support you and they don't want to believe in your films you should probably leave
00:44:19
town love the idea of leaving town still you get out of town with all our connectivity can we talk about Casino
00:44:27
for a second cuz I I I was talking to my wife about that she goes oh my God Sharon was so brilliant in that movie
00:44:33
because I guess it's the actress meets the part meets the director meets daero
00:44:38
meets peshi and that was magic in that role it was my my whole dream was to work with Robert dairo I my acting
00:44:47
teacher is like what do you really want out of this and I'm like I to work opposite Robert dairo and home my own I
00:44:55
mean that was the whole sentence that that was the whole thing that's really
00:44:59
all I ever wanted and I got it I didn't expect I was going to get to work with
00:45:05
Martin Scorsese you know Jesus who does you know and to have had this astonishing opportunity and to get to do
00:45:16
it you know I wasn't going to leave anything on the floor you didn't uh you
00:45:20
did what's daero like like you're in a scene with him between takes just just
00:45:27
casually I just love to know like does he change it a lot does he surprise you what what's it like you're just doing a
00:45:32
scene with the Nero there around on set he doesn't Small Talk he doesn't hang out he
00:45:38
doesn't have anything else to talk to you about other than the work of the day
00:45:43
nothing absolutely nothing else and um he might give me a suggestion but he doesn't tell me how to
00:45:53
do my job he would might say you know in the middle of that thing you're doing
00:45:59
could you just give me a glance here at some point or do you need something here
00:46:06
from me or is this what you are you wanting this you know he's just he's
00:46:15
very very connected to the work the outcome what you're doing he's just absolutely the most dedicated devoted
00:46:26
watching him work I learned more than I learned watching any other actor and I got to work with like George C Scott I
00:46:34
mean I worked with some really cool actors you know what I mean but dairo is uh you know he's just like his own thing
00:46:43
man you know he's not a chit chatter he's just really is serious and that's
00:46:48
the reason I think he's so good and what about peshi Joe peshi really fought for me you
00:46:56
know he f for me to get the part he believed in me stood up for me he's really good to me um I really appreciate
00:47:05
him so much he was really supportive of me he he absolutely believed in me in a way that I don't think anybody else
00:47:13
really did and um you know we had a lot we had rough scenes to shoot you know like because our relationship was rough
00:47:21
sex and and dirty and secret and and uh I felt completely safe with him although you know when he's in that
00:47:34
character he's scary as all you know he's you know he's all in and it's good to work
00:47:46
with someone that's all in but you know Joey played in that film just a you know
00:47:53
really you know I don't how to explain it but like loose ready to go ready to kill somebody
00:48:00
at any second and you know I'm playing someone who's choking me in and I'm trying to be loose with
00:48:10
all this you know right you know it's a it's it was intense and great intense
00:48:16
but you know you got to belly up to the bar when you go to work with Jimmy Woods
00:48:22
and Joe pesi and Robert dairo there's no [ __ ] around you better be good you got to hold your own
00:48:31
you better be present and I think that those people often scare actresses I've watched many
00:48:39
many other actresses work and while they're sometimes quite good often they seem a bit
00:48:48
defended and I think that you have to really not be separate from those guys you have to be willing to jump in
00:48:58
the pool with them and know that they're not going to save you if you're
00:49:06
[Music] grounding before we let you get on with your life I just wanted to kind of
00:49:12
mention your book um your autobiography which got rave reviews do you want to talk to it a little bit or um and then
00:49:22
also your art and right now you're in in Berlin and in a gallery I believe uh you your art has been well
00:49:32
received by critics you've been interviewed in New York by Jerry stas or whatever so Jerry salt how how did that
00:49:41
happen and what are you um they're big beautiful colorful abstracts are they an
00:49:46
acrylic or oil or a combo and do you have someone helping you bring in canvases and stretch them and Jess of
00:49:54
them and the there's a industrial part of having a studio and how did you work
00:50:01
toward being able to do that or you done some art before but I it's I'm just
00:50:06
curious yeah you know I studied all this at University where you know if you studied art you had to do everything
00:50:11
from jewelry making to sculpting to oils watercolors acry you had to do everything everything everything um so I
00:50:19
know how to do all that but there's certain aspects of it I just don't want
00:50:23
to do anymore so I get my canvases stretched for me and I get the built elsewhere because it's just it's too
00:50:31
much for me at this point yeah um but I do have a studio manager who is really cool named Zach and he's uh terrific and
00:50:41
he helps me a lot um and but basically I mean painting is sort of a oneman band and you've gota just it
00:50:53
takes time it takes time and dedic ation and devotion and it's an on the job
00:50:59
learning process and the more you paint the better you get and the more you understand and the more you study the
00:51:05
more you understand how to mix colors and the more you understand how Color Works I'm fascinated by color and the
00:51:15
more you understand balance and story and execution and the use of all the different possible tools that you can
00:51:23
use it's like anything the more you it the better you yet and do you work on
00:51:28
multiple canvases at a time or do you kind of one I I do I have well I work on canvas till I feel that it's at the
00:51:36
point where I'm as far as I can go and sometimes I complete a canvas and sometimes I think that's the
00:51:45
underpainting and I need to just put that in the other room for now until I understand where I'm going from
00:51:51
here yeah that totally Mak sense right because you guys probably write like that right yeah and Dana paints also
00:52:00
well I P yeah but I'm not not like you but I I was surprised how much I loved
00:52:07
it and I have no ability at all I would just do Doodles and little characters on
00:52:12
yellow pads right and then I saw basat and I go oh I I'll do I'll do my version of that
00:52:20
so I do them on heavy paper 30 by 32 and then sometimes I blow them up and they're just uh acrylic so I can go fast
00:52:28
I don't want to think too much and I often overpaint them I think overpainting is is
00:52:35
smart and good I overpaint constantly I think you don't want to waste anything
00:52:40
and when you know it's not working overpaint it or overpaint part of it which is what I'm coming to understand
00:52:46
now is that when you do something and you think oh that's just awful don't
00:52:50
just overpaint the whole thing right away like give yourself a minute to really step back from it and find one
00:52:57
good thing in it and start overpainting but leave the good thing and before you overpaint it make sure you turn it every
00:53:05
single Direction turn it upside down turn it sideways look at it from every direction
00:53:11
because you don't know where your inspiration is coming from and I agree I think baskot is just a unbelievable
00:53:19
talent and he also showed us another way to be another way to express our elves another
00:53:29
opportunity you know you You' look at it and you go why is it affecting me so
00:53:33
much when you go to an art museum and you're going around the corner you see a
00:53:37
big baskot because you go people it you can't dismiss it there's something um so fluid about it so casual
00:53:45
you this feeling of just being connected to the canvas it I I don't know it's
00:53:49
just talent I guess but he's he's fun uh who else do you like well you know with
00:53:54
this Rothco show that has been going on and then if you follow the show then you
00:53:59
start getting your daily Rothco and you it's just you look at these colors and
00:54:04
you think the same thing why is this having such a tremendous impact on me and how did he do it and why and what
00:54:11
does it mean and it just it just evokes so much and you know I feel this way I'm
00:54:17
a huge Gerard RoR fan and I feel I just love these paintings and the impact and movement of these paintings and you know
00:54:29
uh Helen Franken fall the color the color aspect of what she did was so moving and interesting and the way she
00:54:38
did it was all her own and I just you know I I just I don't know I'm a little
00:54:44
bit of an artholic I've spent most of my life on the road um in museums on my day
00:54:50
off and that's been a fantastic education well um it's cool you've been it it it
00:55:00
is uh it's a little bit like any kind of personal Pursuit like time really flies
00:55:06
if you're really focused on a painting whether you're a novice or great it's
00:55:10
it's a it's a meditation and uh you're you've been really well received so I um
00:55:17
I'm going to make a prediction about you whe whether you want it or not but some
00:55:22
there's going to be some role or live streaming Apple show or something you're
00:55:27
going to be in and be brilliant um if you if you feel like you want that cuz I can just tell talking to you put the
00:55:36
camera on this woman because she has all this energy and all this emotion it's
00:55:43
all right there so that's my prediction you have yours David would you like to
00:55:47
make a prediction I think it was it's wonderful talking to Sharon she's so
00:55:51
articulate and so uh exactly as I remember and she's got such a voice that is very unique and uh well known
00:56:00
and uh voices never change with people it's always you know you get older people go on their lives and it's always
00:56:07
there's something interesting about somebody's voice it's like a fingerprint
00:56:10
I like hearing Sharon's voice I like hearing all she has to say today and uh
00:56:14
very cool of her to to talk to us um thank you for coming on Sharon really really enjoyed it wish you all the best
00:56:22
I was so excited that you asked me to come on um because I haven't seen either
00:56:27
one of you in quite a while and it's just good to see you both and it's good
00:56:32
to see you both well and good and it's good to see that you know we're all
00:56:38
still standing you know we devoted ourselves and agreed to do this and you know it's it's hard to hold on you have
00:56:47
to really want it it has to be everything to you to hold on and and it's it's really nice to see that we're
00:56:55
all still surv ring together so I just really appreciate that you took your time and invited me into your world
00:57:01
thank you thank you Sharon all right Sharon uh we'll talk to you soon and thank you and have a great day this has
00:57:08
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