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Dana, we got Bill her, one of our all-time favorites, I have to say. And for most of the audience that likes SNL,
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you hear his name pop up a lot in those, you know, sort of first ballot. He's Hall of Fame. He's in the conversation. He's in the conversation as a high qual,
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right? We love to, you know, use numbers. He's number seven. He She's number three. But let's just say he's in the conversation. He's up there
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of the of the pantheon. Up there and very humble. Uh a nice guy. I see him outside of uh the podcast
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sometimes. Yeah. Good dude. Uh grounded. We went to the same community college. Hilarious. Oh, I know. That is that is funny. And I didn't know, and it's so funny how many
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years could go by where I went to the most random Scottsdale Community College. And it really Scottsdale Community
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College. Scottsdale Community College. Scottsdale Community College comes up a lot on this podcast from different sources. Scottsdale Community College. Bumping the artichokes. That's what our
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mascot is. It's not a joke. And the team always artichoked. Yeah, we did. I don't think they're top
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that much anything. I I hit a chord there. Uh yeah, it stung a little bit. Uh but but
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Bill has so many characters on SNL along with uh everything else he's been doing.
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But I like the one where he plays the Vietnam vet that has a puppet. He's got so many. He's extremely funny.
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we do get into like and it was sort of interesting to hear him go into it more than I've heard about it that he had
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big- time panic attacks before you go out on and we all had a version of panic attack
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that terrifying cauldron at SNL 8H yeah before you go out there you know two minutes you know cast for
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Frankenstein's baby you have three minutes and we all get like ah you know uh but
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he apparently was really really had to manage that, you know, and they'd go out there and crush. But yeah, it's
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interesting. Well, let's stop boring everyone and then bore Bill with when we bored him.
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Our goal was to make the intro longer than the actual podcast. We're doing pretty good.
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We did pretty good. Here's our good friend, Billy Hater. We should let Bill talk at some point in this, but not like right away. Oh, that's okay. I like watching you
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guys. You've talked enough, right? Yeah. This is a conversation. Bill hater. Bill hater. Hang on.
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We're not narcissists, but you can ask us questions, too. Yeah. Get curious a discussion. Oh, I'm moderating. Oh, that's how your
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podcast goes. I moderate a discussion between you two about your relationship and your time.
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Bill hater. Look how much I prepared. I know. I was like, Bill hater. I I know the name. Yeah. And I And I know his game.
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I know. I know his name. This [ __ ] dude. He's got some game, Dana. This guy's This [ __ ] broke all the rules
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and and I love him for it. The rules are every every [ __ ] guy holding his dick
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walking into a bar says, "I'd like to direct." And everyone goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's what you do, kid. You put on the makeup. You dance like a clown. They pay you. You dance. You're a clown.
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You He goes, "No, no, I'm not. I'm [ __ ] I'm Martin Scorsesei." No, you're a [ __ ] Bose [ __ ] clown. Now get this [ __ ] movie from Paramount. We'll give you 20 lodge up front. So Bill says,
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"All right, go ahead, Bill." Oh my god. Um, Mr. Michaels, I would Oh, was that was it Lauren asking you to do a a character movie? Yeah, I think Warren wanted I he wanted to do a
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character movie. Yeah, but maybe this summer, maybe when you're on break. Maybe. Maybe. Well, it was just there was a hard It was a hard one to do. He wanted to do a a Stefon one and then I think
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John Melany and I were like, it didn't work as a sketch. That's a good reason. You know what I mean? We're like, it it died. It died
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at twice at the table and then we did it, you know, a couple times a dress and it was terrible. You know, it just it
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was low energy weird thing. Yeah. That never worked. And so then it was like, oh, okay.
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And you know, well, let's just shoot it and look at the whole movie and see. We can burn it. If it doesn't work, we
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can burn and and if you get a little burned or singed, that it happens. And we'll take it outside and Marcy will
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set it on fire. We We've done this before. We said, "Marcy, get the wizard lighter fluid
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on my desk next to the Lauren. I'm going to fly. Lauren, I fly now. I'm Marcy. You don't fly." Look at the book of Lauren, page seven. The
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Stefon movie. Lauren. The book of Lauren. Wait, did you guys have thing? Yeah. Yeah, we had like
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Yeah, we can do a movie and then we were like, well, it doesn't work as a sketch. It kind of just works on update. You
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know, it went from a sketch to update or update to a sketch. It went It did not work as a sketch and
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then it was Doug Ables was running update going, I need something. What about that club kid thing you did?
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Give me that thing that bombed. Do you still have it? You know what I mean? It's on my desk. Get it in here.
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No, that that's very Do you know what I mean? Well, updates updates a little less
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pressure in a weird way. It's just you doing it directly and that if they buy it, they buy it. You don't have to rely on them. Yeah, it it worked better when it was
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like cuz Yeah, I don't know. Do you guys remember it's just like low energy weird [ __ ] just didn't but just that feeling
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of like, oh, I got a low energy weird thing, right? This isn't going to work. And how do you do that in a 90minute
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corporate funny vehicle? Yeah. Yeah. You can't. We couldn't even take Hans and Fr off
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their set. We go, we got to get them off their set. So we put him on a in a campground scene with Al Franken. Death.
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Death. Oh, you in a sketch. What about the movie? Then we got him on the set and then we're pointing No, we had the movie
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written Hans and Fron's The Girly Man dilemma. But that went that that's that's good. I think that would have
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been good though. Oh, wait. Let's get back to Bill. You tried taking them off the set and it didn't work.
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No, I put church lady sketch. You guys do that all that happens all the time. where you go like,
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"Oh, let's not do the same thing over and over again." And then you realize like, "No, that's what they like is
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seeing." Yeah. It's like they go Dana, they go, "Hans and France, here you are in the gym for
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19 sketches and they put you in in like a store and they're like, who the [ __ ] are these two people?" Like, no one even
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understands a sketch. Yeah. Not cool. Put them in the [ __ ] gym. I know the jokes and I will laugh. I know how to do this. But you're you're at home base. You're screaming at the audience right behind
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the camera. Yeah, you cool man. You losers. And then then we're over in the corner in 8H in a quiet campground scene. Would you like another Venus snitch? I think
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you like some small. I think it was Stefon is brilliant, but I think it might have been a wise
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decision. That would have been a challenge. The sketch did not work. I mean, it just never worked. No, just bell up.
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You could hear your footfalls on the, you know, it was one of those things where I could hear if I like placed a
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glass on a table in the sketch, you could hear it. It was loud. It was just dying. It was like
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That's so bad. Well, Bill, your next question to us is, was there a Gap Girls movie? Which is a
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good fair question. There was not. Um, but there was. That would have worked. There
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was Wait, did you guys do a Did you guys write a Gapro movie? You got scared. Where did you go? Did you do one? Uh-oh. I didn't see it. Uh,
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no. We We didn't write it, but got scared. We uh were not get scared. I But I I I know it
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didn't happen. I No, it didn't happen. But it was sort of when I when I thought movies were very
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easy to come by because I was delusional because one summer we did Tommy Boy, Lauren had to deal with Paramount. It
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was it was sort of easy like and then next summer why don't you guys do Black Sheep? We're like great. And then next summer maybe you guys could do Gap Girls
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movie. And uh the the things that had against it were me writing it, which was probably the first thing. And then come
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on and I was running out of sketch ideas that were four minutes long. So I remember we did one about Jeopardy cuz
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Gapperty just sounded like a funny name for a sketch. And then but there was no Skop. And so I go, if me, Farley, and
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and Adam are the are the contestants. It'll be funny. And Courtney Cox was the host. And we have to ask her about that because she that was the first time I wrote something and I was so joyous that it was on and I was uh
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just your name on it that just solely. Yeah. For for GAPS girls and then um and then I do it and Courtney goes I don't really I don't really have a thing to play as the host and I was like oh I didn't even think about any other
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charact you know it's so rude like I'm I'm so worried about our [ __ ] and trying
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to get Farley to make sure everything he says is in all caps. What was your c catchphrase for gap girls? What was your catch? I don't know if there was one. I mean, the thing everybody remembered it was
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lay off. Oh, lay off me. I'm starving. I'm starving. That was the Yeah. Uh that was uh my proudest writing
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moment was that one because lay off me. That one worked. Destroy. Yeah. And also in that one, Bill, there
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was a uh in rehearsal it says, you know, like we're we're at the mall at the food court and then we see the girls from Donut Hut. Everyone knows this guy. I mean, I don't even
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know why I'm explaining it. And uh Schneider comes with Sarah Gilbert as Donut Hut [ __ ] And we argue with them, obviously. There's a rivalry. And then
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at the end of the week, they go, "We'll see you guys Friday." And then it goes away to a a card. It says 3 days later
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of them all. And then it comes back and then uh in rehearsal. I go, "Isn't it weird? We're all wearing the same thing we did 3 days later." And we laugh. So
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So I go, "Hey, Adam." on the live show. I go, "When we do that, when we come back, I'm gonna say that." And you say,
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"I don't think we are." And I go, "Trust me, we are because it's only five seconds of real time."
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Yeah. And so we added that, which was fun. And then lay off me. I'm starving. Farley [ __ ] nailed. And then uh I said, "We
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can't do a movie. I'm out. That's it. I don't want to work." All right. Let's talk about No, this is this is this story.
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It must Hey, hold on. David, what was the one where you said you were the contestant on a thing and you said, "Oh, that's
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sweet." Oh, sweet. That was deep versus Oh my god. I get in my sh god dang. Oh, what we do for money. Is that an Arizona Wait, real quick. Is
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that an Arizona dude or is that No, that was just um Yeah, I had a guy that used to talk I guess in class and so when you get assigned a sketch they go
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can you be sort of a whatever whatever. So that one sounded funny cuz I don't really do big characters and that one
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sounded funny and my friend had a Shiraco in and it was it was all whited out and uh it was very cool and white
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everything. Shraco over at SEC Oh, yeah. I swear I just did a uh I just got an uh I just did a talk at at We went to the same community college, Dana, but I
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Scottdale I went out of state to go to a community college. It's the funniest story. He's from
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Oklahoma, right? And then you from Oklahoma to Arizona and I went to Arizona to the Art
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Institute of Phoenix cuz my grades were so bad and they didn't care. And then when I was there, a guy there was like, you know, at Scottsdale Community
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College, they're shooting stuff on film. And I went, oh, this is in whatever 97 or something when shooting on video was lame. And so we went there and and yeah, and they
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were like, you know, David's favorite. Yeah, I went there cuz they had tennis. Uh, it was a little different. But
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what was the mascot of Scottsdale? Communichoke. The artich chokes. Okay. It was the artichokes. Hysterical. And then I worked on Mill Avenue at a movie theater. I work at Cine Movie.
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Oh, I love it. Yeah. Down in Temp. Was an usher or or running the film or what were you doing? I did the I was an usher and I looked at
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the time I looked like Charles Mans and I had like a long beard and long hair with the cumber bun and little tie on
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Cumber bun. So the idea when were you the you were the type of user who would then when
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there wasn't many people around just sit in on movies was you'd be that kind of guy? Yeah, I would sit and watch movies. the
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guy that uh um there's a guy I worked with and he had this whole thing about like you can't bring food into the theater outside food into the theater and I became like really obsessed with nailing people because it was just fun
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like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa no you know I was just like and this one dude was I forget his name he was such a like
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just kind of a stoner guy and we were out I was by the concession stand and this this guy came in with a wedding cake
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your wedding cake sit in his mouth and he was like, "Hey, can I put this in the back?" I was just going to go see a movie. So, one, I'm like, "Who brings a wedding cake to a movie?" And two, I was
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like, went to this stoner guy. I'm like, "Did you not see the guy with the [ __ ] wedding cake? You tore his
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tickets and you put the stuff back in his mouth." He was like, "Oh, yeah, man. You know, I
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you know, the guy seemed uh you know, he had a cake. Yeah. Oh my god. I just I just saw Spider-Man and the guy
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goes, the usher goes, you know, they they like overhelp. He goes, "I'll walk you to the theater." I go, "I think I got it." And he goes, "It's 3 hours,
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dude." And I go, "Oh, immediate buzz kill." I go, "Oh, it is." He goes, "Yeah." And he goes, "And at the end all
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the Spider-Man's don't be like spoiler guy. Just let me get in there. Take it down a [ __ ]
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guy." There you go. You know, come on. What are you the false ending guy? Something.
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And he's going down the river like Curts. Colonel Curts is a great Dennis. One of
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his go-to. Like Colonel Curts up there in the cave. Going down the river like Curts. Getting that sponge on his head in the
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cave shooting for the Oscar. Right. Like where the sheen cat hides in the shallows. Okay. I have all these
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sketches of Bills I want to go over, but uh I want Well, while we're here in his youth.
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Yeah. Uh because we'll kind of maybe we can go Hey, we're just making this up. But I we know you're a film. So you go to the theater, you're seen films that just do you remember the first film
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because I can say 2001 for me in a theater or on television. The first film or TV show where when you went, "Holy
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[ __ ] what the [ __ ] is this?" Um, I, you know, it was like always like I was at a
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sleepover at this kid's house and his older brother was like, we were 12 and like, you know, the 15-year-old older
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brother came in and was like, I'm going to show you this movie Taxi Driver. Whoa. Wow. And we all were like, "What?" You know,
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that's heavy. You can't be watching this. You know, and it's like, this is really intense.
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But there was a scene in that movie where with all the violence and stuff in it, there's a scene where
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Robert Dairo takes Civil Shepard to a porno movie that's still like one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen
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in a thing ever. It's just impossible to watch and not It's so bad. It's so sad.
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But then afterwards, he calls her and it's him on a pay phone in a hallway seeing if she got these flowers he sent her. And he's like, "I didn't know you didn't like those kind of movies or whatever." And it was so embarrassing to
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watch. And then as it was happening, the camera just dollied off of him as he's talking.
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And I thought, "Oh, wow. The movie doesn't want to watch this." Like it was like, "Oh, you're allowed to
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do that." It like unlocked this thing in my head where I was like, so it was weird. This weird night where
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these dude, this older brother thought he was kind of like, you know, [ __ ] us up or whatever and instead I got like
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really jazzed by that. It was hard after that to be like, "Let's watch The Natural."
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Yeah. You know, for like whatever movies my friends wanted to watch, it was like, "No, I want to." But that's so interesting that you think
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they just show like when I see movies, they show that guy and then you cut and show that guy talking and and even dolly
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shots are weird and then you fade off them and in your head to think, "Oh, it's because he's boring and it's odd
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and and they're and it's getting extra." And you go, "Oh, yeah. Are you allowed to do that?" And then
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Yeah. Yeah. It's like an emotional thing. It was like it felt intuitive and emotional and it was like, "Oh, I don't
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want to watch this, so let's just let's give them some space." Could Oh, that's so cool. Connect the dots on that a teeny bit with you, Bill. I was watching the the episode where you you're going to go
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kill the guy ends up being a martial artist and then you have a fight with the daughter on Barry.
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Well, when you come in and you we know he's the mark. can come in and you stay on him a long time and we just hear your
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voice. Yeah. Talking about it's not going to happen. It's going to be okay. But there's no shot of you at that point. I don't know.
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It just reminds me It had some visceral emotional Yeah. You kind of like inst Yeah. It was
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like an instinctive thing of like, oh, you don't know what he's looking at. And then
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the reveal that I'm in this like weird costume, Spider-Man almost. Yeah. this weird
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uh like one of the guys, you know, terrace at Munich games or something like you had this weird look and then
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but yeah, you know, but yeah, that's what I mean. You kind of go like, well, it takes a while to get that kind of
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confidence to to do that. Crew looks at you like you're nuts. You're not doing coverage. What? Yeah,
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we ended up shooting a a twoot of us because the DP and other people were like, uh, I don't get this. And I just went, okay, we'll shoot this and then
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Yeah. I just And then you get in the edit and say, well, I kind of want it this way, you know. Well, I think Yeah, that's that's Barry,
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which we'll we'll get to in a little bit. But, um, so as you're going along, just a few more touchstones. Uh, what
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Deer Hunter, you like kind of the darker kind of films? Yeah, those kind of movies were always there was a movie
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Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. I love that was Hal Ashby and and and um Judo talked about that. Yeah, I love that film. Yeah, Jud directed that. Hey uh Bill,
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what about Jack if you could He goes Jud say like you know I I think my balls hurt you
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last detail. Yeah, they had the big god mic. Yeah. Randy, Randy, before you No, no, no.
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Randy, Randy, look at him and be like, "Oh, geez. Uh, I guess I got my semen all over the place."
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Think of your your gun as a horse's [ __ ] Your gun is like a horse's [ __ ] It does a thing and it doesn't land.
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There's always a pause and then he goes, you know, Jud said deer hunter could have been a half hour longer. No, but I No, I'm kidding. But I saw um I
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What about in tax? He makes fun of that. We make fun of it. Uh cuz I showed him my HBO spe my new Netflix special. It's
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an hour six. He goes, "I think it could be two hours. Let me see it." I go, "Well, no, there's not even that many
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not that much material. I'll find it." Um but what about in Taxi Driver that that I that stood out to me? This is the tiniest thing. But when he's embarrassing going, the thing that says
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I've got to get organized. Organized. Yeah. Yeah. The card. And she's like, "What? I got to Oh, yeah. I got to get organized." Yeah. It's on his wall. No, it's like, "Yeah,
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I got to get organized." That was something my mom had. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then he's like, "It's this thing that says I got to get organized." And she's like,
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And then he buys her a record that she says she already has. Like the whole thing is just so awkward. We were like,
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"Dude, just like stop. Stop. Stop it. This is so sad." Yeah. And you're you're 12 watching
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that. I'm 12 watching this. Girls are like a total mystery to me. And I'm like, "Okay,
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don't do any of this." I thought it was like a lesson in how to do it. Yeah. But I told Dana I saw Tommy when I was 12. Remember Tommy? And it scared me and
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I got a stomach ache. Yeah. I wasn't ready for it. Yeah, the beans. The the scene in Tommy with all the um
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remember the scene with the beans where isn't it like Ann Margaret or someone makes no sense. Scared me. Oh, Acid
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Queen when she threw the guy got fire and it burned his face at the beginning. Uh with Tina Turner. I don't know what the [ __ ] I just saw Grease before that. I'm like what's
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going on here? Let's keep it light, guys. Yeah. Yeah. No, that one was rough. What's going I always liked a lot of those. Um yeah, but I also like you know like like
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Love Jaws. Oh yeah, perfect movie. The Godfather and you know never never can watch that any day of the week. Godfather. What about Alien? How did you find Alien?
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Like Once Upon a Time in the West. You remember that? Oh yeah, with Henry Henry Fonda. Henry Fonda.
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I'm going to shoot you right now if I The last thing I ever do. I'm Henry Fonda. Well, now that you've said my
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name, he shoots a kid. Oh, he shot a kid. Yeah, he shoots a kid. Yeah, the old gunslinger. One of those spaghetti westerners. This guy goes, "We got them all right when he says his name." And he goes,
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"Well, now that you've said my name, he turns around and shoots kid." And you're like, "Jesus Christ."
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I was like, "Geez, let's relax." Yeah. Sergio. Sergio. Yeah. I like all like all those 70s movies. And then a big one, you know what a big one I saw in the theater was
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and it's a weird one was I took a girl to go like my first like you're going with somebody
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date. Okay. date. Yeah. And she wanted to go see Father the Bride with Steve Martin and I took her
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to go see Barton Frink. Oh wow. That was And she was like, "Okay, thanks. Well, uh, we we never really need to speak." Not a panty dropper. Yeah. was and I was like, damn, that movie was
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amazing. I was like, that was like it's still one of my I love that film. The Cohen brothers.
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Who did it? Turo was in it. John are just Oh, yeah. John Goodman. I I don't have when he hosted the show. John Goodman. Speaking of Saturday Night
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Live, which is sort of the theme of our show kind of, uh, John Goodman could do anything. And he's one of those guys that read through with the 55 scripts. He's one of those incredible cold
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readers, you know? That's a that's a thing that's so difficult. Um, I don't know how people do that. I remember. And did you guys ever have people who were terrible at the table?
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Yes. You were like, "This is going to be a blood bath." and then were just amazing.
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Like they came in and they were like, "Oh, they're just not good cold readers or they kind of save it."
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Well, or something happens when they're up in front of a live audience that it suddenly clicks and you're like, "Oh, get out of the way."
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I think there's a gradient scale. I mean, you could go to some mild dyslexia or whatever's going on. But some people
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can really like Dennis Miller could and Phil Hartman could look at a Q card and just grab it so fast and they never
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would stumble a little bit. But even good readers, it's such a task to not trip up a word, reverse a word.
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I tripped over stuff constantly. I I did the my sixth show. I played Vincent Price. Yeah. And Lauren, one of my favorites came up to me. Lauren came up to me
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right before the band's playing. And I'm, you know, my sixth show and Yeah. I'm sweating. Yeah. Like I'm like, "Oh, I'm Dana, you talked about like I would have a full-blown
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panic attack before every show. I would go into that bathroom that was by the big makeup area."
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There was a boys and girls in the bathroom way at the end of the hall. Yes. right after the meeting before it was
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like and Lauren would be like, you know, this week, you know, we're about to go on break and people are going to say it
00:25:12
was a good show or a bad show, you know. So, it' be it'd be really really nice if it was like really
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really nice if you could say. I love that about So, can when you when you panic attack
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in there just for a second, so you go and you sit down, you're by yourself. Are you just hyperventilating? standing
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up. Okay. Going to a stall standing up and I would just hyperventilate. I'll be honest, cry a little bit. Oh, of course. Shaking. Yeah. Oh, yeah. just have like a full And then
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the thing was that Jenna, who was our stage manager when I was there, who's one of my favorite human beings on the
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planet is great. But she had I think part of your job when you're when you're that
00:25:56
you should be a little calm before air be like minutes to air. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it's five minutes to air. Like her voice shaking and I'm going
00:26:08
I'm going to have a panic attack. Yeah, I was in Vincent Price and it was like the second sketch after monologue and
00:26:17
I'm sitting there and I'm like about to pass out and Lauren goes, I like this but why now? Very Lauren. And then we did it and if you watch the
00:26:29
very first one is Eva Lori I think was the host. I stumble the first minute I stumble over like every other line. Wow,
00:26:36
I'm so like like discombobulated and wait what did that mean and what did I just say?
00:26:43
Well, also new new cast is hard to get the cards down. It's not so simple, you know, it takes a while
00:26:50
how to look at it. Of course, you were the host on that, but do you think this is kind of like unhealthy what we did
00:26:56
there to mean I end up having a botch bypass a couple years after I mean when you're What was our blood pressure in
00:27:02
our first few shows? You know, I have like a weird autoimmune thing that affects the retina of my left eye and
00:27:09
I've gone to so many people about it, lost vision in this eye, like all this stuff. And everybody's like, "Really? It
00:27:16
might have." I'm like, "Could stress have caused this?" And they're like, "Well, yeah. You weren't on Saturday Night Live, were
00:27:22
you?" You're like, "Yes." Were you on Saturday Night Live? Saturday Night Live. How are you? How many stances do you have? Did you
00:27:28
have any sort of post-traumatic health issues or did you have any anything that it stopped it stunted my growth for sure. I'm still I'm 5'7.
00:27:39
But I will tell you that before you were just saying when I was on the eighth floor, I would go by the elevators and
00:27:45
take a left and there's a bathroom back there and I would just stand there and look at my script in the stall and just go, "Oh
00:27:51
my god." and GE would come in and go out and everyone would he come with his full
00:27:56
amp and I'm like not here. He was the coolest. No one no one knows how loud it is in that room when you're
00:28:03
when you're like uh doing the actual show and the band kicks in. You can't hear anything. It's crazy. So, I would get really
00:28:09
sickened and I think when I moved to New York, I was this fun kid from Arizona and I was of course smashed down uh
00:28:16
because I didn't have any nutrients. I didn't know what carbs were back then. So, it was pizza. It was pasta. I didn't
00:28:22
have a glass of water for 6 years. I didn't um It was Diet Coke. And then my hair got brown cuz I didn't know it could get brown, but it was dark all day. Yeah, there's sun 10 minutes a day
00:28:34
when it's like the buildings are straight up and the sun's directly at noon. And so, I just And I got like sort of
00:28:41
gray. Uh and I felt weak and sickly. I was like powder. You know that movie powder? So I was I'm sort of that guy. And then I wasn't really if I look at it
00:28:52
now of how much I I pay attention to eating and food and what goes in and I did not at all then. And then add all
00:28:59
the stress of like I I don't know if I'm ever going to be in show business. I can't barely make it here. And it's just
00:29:05
so much every day you got to that's all you think about. It had to affect something. I mean it's sort of my own
00:29:11
doing but it had to affect something. The first church chat I popped the tooth you know. Well isn't that really? No, I made that up.
00:29:18
I made that up. I would believe I know cuz I'm just thinking it's like wasn't the first chhat your first show
00:29:23
and it would became the cold open. Yeah. Uh it became the first sketch after update. I was in a cold open with
00:29:28
Phil and Jan and I didn't even know I was in the cold open in essence. But then the church lady was the first and
00:29:35
there's church chat if people care but I her hand came up his hand. My hand that
00:29:40
character's hand sorry I have the dress in the closet and it was drenched in sweat. It was pure and yet the to be
00:29:48
that adrenalized that blood pressure heart pounding and then pretend to be relaxed was such a difficult thing. But well I want to go over some of your seminal
00:29:59
incredible sketches. But just just quickly the acclamation point for me I believe
00:30:05
in a way I was maybe the best I was on the show like the la my last two shows. I mean, I think it took me five years to get to have fun. Put it that way,
00:30:17
because I see the the panic attacks, but when I saw, and I've said this to you and Fred Armson, you know, Batman and
00:30:22
Robin, you guys, I always connected you, too, cuz all the great stuff you did is that I said, "How do you you guys seem
00:30:28
to be having so much fun that last season?" And you said, "Well, we knew it was our last season, so we kind of
00:30:34
in a good way didn't give a fuck." And then you have fun and then you're great. So, that process did happen for you,
00:30:40
right? At some point you got calmer kind of. Yeah. I mean you would it was still nervous. I was still going to the
00:30:46
bathroom stall but I wouldn't like have to It was more like what David's saying. You would have your script and you would
00:30:52
just kind of read through your stuff and just have a quiet moment by yourself and then be
00:30:57
like all right let me center myself. But then yeah Fred uh was so loose on the show. Mhm. Um I never saw him get nervous and so he
00:31:09
a lot of times and I'm also a very soft touch like I can I I break constantly. So I think that was what he was would bring to us. He loved to break you. Yeah.
00:31:20
Well just also as a way of like his commitment so amped up. Yeah. It was just his so he would but he would
00:31:26
just do little things. It was never big things. Yeah. Like he did a sketch he wrote called um
00:31:32
short-term memory theater. Oh, I saw that. And the whole thing is I'm the doctor who's worked with all these patients and we're going to run a play and you'll see that none of these people forget their lines because they
00:31:43
had short-term memory loss. But I help you keep hammering it home that there's absolutely no way they I hammer at home. It's like they will
00:31:50
not you mark my word they will not miss a single single line. And then then Bryant comes out immediately goes up on
00:31:56
her lines and I have to cure her and that's it is that I'm queuing everybody. I just watched that. It's so [ __ ]
00:32:02
hilarious. Fred, it's supposed to be in the 40s, like a, you know, like a Arthur
00:32:08
Miller play or something. And Fred, to [ __ ] with me, came in in a present day New York Giants jacket. I saw that.
00:32:19
And then I said, "Give me the jacket." And he said, "Is the play over?" Dude, I wrote down something from that because you go uh because I just watched
00:32:33
it and I was laughing and Vince Vaughn is in it too, right? Vince Vaughn. And you go uh you go it has my keys in it.
00:32:40
You go Jana has everyone's keys because they're all obviously going to they can't be without their [ __ ] That's I thought it was so funny. And then I
00:32:51
watched five years in a row that were home runs. And this is a I kept going, you have to laugh in this one. When you
00:32:57
were doing the one where you're [ __ ] screaming as a fireman, I was like, I didn't know where it was going and you
00:33:03
start going crazy. I go, there's no way. You kept saying, "What?" Oh, yeah. That was uh that was John Solomon and Rob Klein wrote that one.
00:33:15
And they and it I don't know where it came from. It was just one of those great things where you come to the table and it's a [ __ ] home run
00:33:21
and they're like, "Yeah, we went nuts last night. We You're this like very affeminite firefighter that's mad that
00:33:28
your girlfriend's there with uh Adam Lane by the Adam and you know Jim Downey was there
00:33:34
and Jim Downey was laughing really hard for sure when he was losing his mind during that
00:33:40
sketch and then we came into at dress rehearsal and then we came into the meeting before air and they had all the
00:33:47
cards up and Downey started crying laughing and I was like why is Downey laughing? That's interesting. And he goes and he
00:33:53
goes, "The name of that sketch is the firehouse incident." Yeah, I saw for him. And he goes, he goes, "It's so needlessly mysterious."
00:34:06
Yeah, that Jim does have that capacity to identify exactly why it's funny. It's needlessly mysterious and that and we were just that's my my memory of doing that show
00:34:18
is being in the meeting just crying. to make Downey laugh is big. Also, I thought it was when everyone plays it
00:34:26
straight. Adam Lavine, I I'll give it to him, too. When everyone plays it straight, it's so hilarious. And it's
00:34:32
it's asking a lot of everyone to a not laugh and B just play it straight. And then I think Sisly, someone comes over
00:34:38
and goes out of nowhere, hey, I guess they just cancelled the B in apartment C. And you go, what?
00:34:46
The B in C? Not the B and C. Oh my god. I I think I grab a dog and then yell over the window and they all say, "No, you fit attacks you
00:34:57
and then the dog attacks me." Yeah. Yeah. And we're not That was That was one of those ones
00:35:03
where it's just like a gift that the writers were like, I don't know what what happened, but we've they wrote
00:35:09
another one with me where I was like this guy in a the guy in a puppet class. Yeah.
00:35:14
Oh, Anthony Coleman. And that was another one where you go to the table and there's like a sock puppet on your pile of scripts with a little note on it like
00:35:26
nice you know puppet class could you use this please John and Rob hysterical and you're like figuring it out as you go along those guys my last season cuz Melany had left and um John Solomon and
00:35:39
Rob Klein wrote they really wrote some great stuff for me that that last I mean those two right there are like By
00:35:45
the way I was I was wondering during puppet us how uh it must be a little hard to get your lines, get the puppet, get them to kiss, get around and try to kiss the, you know,
00:35:56
everything you had to do was like two things going on at once and make sure the camera's on your face and then the puppet's face. They had to do that. So
00:36:02
those can be complicated and then it comes off without a hitch. Yeah, that one the the most difficult
00:36:07
thing everybody was like, "Oh, was it making the puppet smoke?" And that was you know those things where
00:36:13
like they cut to someone else and then you have Was Flanigan there with you guys? The guy who made [ __ ] The guy Flan. Anyway, Flanigan was the guy who made the puppet. He would be there and
00:36:24
then all the they're hooking [ __ ] up to you real fast while you know and you're like Jesus. This is
00:36:30
the you know and then Yeah. They what they don't see is the guys are all like on
00:36:36
the floor right at you know your feet, right? Yeah. That was It was one of those things where the smoke came out. You're like,
00:36:42
"Oh, thank god that [ __ ] worked." Yeah. Doesn't work all during the week and they're doing like that. You're like, "Jesus Christ, please."
00:36:57
Yeah. We We had barf ones where they put the barf in a tube up your arm and then I think it was Fred Wolf wrote one where
00:37:04
maybe it was Alec Baldwin. Every cop that walks up to a scene and goes, "God damn." And then they go and everyone
00:37:10
starts barfing. They would come out before you can get it. Yeah. And it's even funnier, but if it doesn't come out, it sucks.
00:37:17
Yeah. It's And there's a guy pumping next to him going, "Give him more gas, Joe." And you're like, "And we're live.
00:37:23
You're We can't give more gas." The host once, right? I had a puppet. It was a different sketch, but I had a puppet that was supposed to throw up on a host and the host
00:37:34
was angry about it. The host didn't like that. the between dress and air and the meeting they were like oh and the hey can we do something about that puppet you know when the host sounds off and everybody's
00:37:46
like excuse me oh no the host well the writer who wrote that I was like you know second year cast member so I
00:37:57
was like oh gez yeah sure sorry you know but the guy I wrote it with it was his last show so he was just quiet
00:38:05
did he go hey [ __ ] you we're doing it so we go over and we're doing the sketch and I see him talking to the special
00:38:12
effects guys and the guys are pumping the water thing and it was like, you know, when you have like a pellet gun
00:38:18
just getting hard. I hear them. So, we're doing the sketch and I go to pick this thing up and I
00:38:24
pick up the puppet and it's vibrating. It's so full, ready to go. Explode. I was like, "Oh, Jesus." And on air this stuff, it was like a
00:38:36
fire hose. Hit this guy right in the face. I was like, and he's expecting nothing now instead
00:38:42
of a little bit. Expecting like a water fountain. He actually said, "Oh, I want like a drinking fountain." Like a little
00:38:48
Right. And it's just way less. It like it hit so hard that the puppet flew off the And so it's just the nozzle
00:38:54
of the on the air show. Yeah. Oh, I have to give you like speaking of all that kind of stuff cuz it's hard sometimes to get all this [ __ ] on you when you're during a show. So, you got a
00:39:06
wig, but uh you did one with u like a Hollywood type of show with Scarlett Johansson and Kristen Wig and Scarlett Johansson, first of all, is an unsung hero. She's kind of a sleeper cuz every
00:39:18
sketch I see her in, she's great in Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, she's really committed and and she kills it. And then that one was
00:39:24
just a funny one where you two were acting like idiots and it was just another surprising sketch.
00:39:30
Yeah. Hollywood dish. Yeah. It's a It was the thing of you guys have done it where people interview you and then
00:39:35
while you're talking they can't talk. They're going, right? And you explain you can't overlap like Yeah. So I was and it's like
00:39:47
making faces, you know, and they're mouthing words and stuff. And so Kristen and I I think had
00:39:54
done press for something and we were doing that the whole time and then it was like oh we should probably write that you know
00:40:00
right and you also had some different moves in it though so it wasn't like just that
00:40:06
you know what the one you saw probably I don't know if it was that one because we did that one a couple times. I don't know if you guys have ever had this
00:40:11
happen where at dress there was a thing where I'm drinking a slurpee and someone says something
00:40:19
shocking and I go and I like throw the slurpee full giant big gulp right into Wig's face and she just has tons of slurpie and then I throw a thing on her head.
00:40:29
So we did a dress perfect of course on air fully miss her it goes in front of her doesn't hit her at all. Oh my god. And I can the only sound and doesn't get
00:40:43
a laugh because everybody was like, "Oh, something went wrong." And I can hear Lauren. It's so bad when
00:40:49
you're at home base and I can hear Lauren under the bleachers going, "Oh, shit." Oh, terrible.
00:40:57
And didn't Kristen break? Did she Did she break on that sketch? No. No, I don't. Oh, no. There's So,
00:41:04
there's another one. Maybe what you see now is dress. Like he was like, "Okay." So when I got done, he was
00:41:09
like, "We coastal dress." Oh, good. Okay. Well, you did a spit take in her [ __ ]
00:41:15
grill, too, which was hysterical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You realize those are all the things
00:41:21
that work, you know? No. And I'm like, "Oh, I'm going to have these really cerebral weird face."
00:41:28
And it's like, "No, what works is spitting in someone's face." Funny. Funny with the sound off. Never
00:41:35
funny with the sound of is perfect. Exactly. Exactly. What about Herb Welch? Uh that was based on a that was John Molany that wrote that that was based on a a guy we all kind of know in a way. The
00:41:47
guy who retired a long time ago. The the video. Yeah. It was like a YouTube video where the guys they got an argument on on air and the
00:41:58
guy like what what did he say? Um, yeah, that one was also from the combination of that and then I was having to play I always got cast as like reporters or
00:42:10
game show. Why is that? Phil Hartman was our guy doing that. You know, I was always the guy that was like, "We need a setup, so we'll they'll put
00:42:21
me in going like I'm here now at this school, you know, whatever." Yeah. So, we were rehearsing with Emma
00:42:28
Stone and for that sketch and I had a microphone and I was just like hitting people with it,
00:42:33
hitting her in the face. I was hitting her and I was hitting wig and just [ __ ] around with it. And
00:42:39
then again, I'm not I go, "Oh, that's fun." And Melanie was like, "We should maybe write that up."
00:42:45
Oh, yeah. That could be like he was the guy that would go, "What if we did that as a
00:42:50
sketch?" And I was like, "Oh, oh, is that what we do here?" Oh, okay. Yeah. Emma again good in that
00:42:57
and uh everyone was good and then you go over but I did you only do that once or did you do that a bunch of times?
00:43:03
A couple of times we did it with um I think and then when I hosted the first time I did it
00:43:14
actually it has an improvisational vibe to it. You know, the funny thing about Herb Welch was this gave me a really interesting insight into TV critics was there was someone who would
00:43:25
write because when I was there at the afterparty, everybody's on their phone. Mhm. See what people are writing about the show. Wow. We did not have that.
00:43:36
Yeah. So, we would all everybody is at their table going so and so at this site hates it. So and so Oh, that fast. Wow. seven out of 10 on the AV Club,
00:43:48
couch potato.com, and you're just like, "Oh my god." And and there was one guy who would do a
00:43:54
scorecard every show and everybody would read the scorecard. And he at the end of the season did his year round up and he was like, "Favorite sketch, least favorite sketch."
00:44:06
And his least favorite character was Herb Well, no, he doesn't know [ __ ] What an idiot.
00:44:11
This is terrible. It's racist and misogynistic and terrible and I'm like, well, he's like an ancient [ __ ] I don't think it's pro that
00:44:23
the sketch isn't pro him. Um, but it's a grumpy old man. Grumpy old man. But then, um, I then a
00:44:30
year later I was doing press for something and they brought a guy in and it was the guy that wrote this. So, I'm talking about
00:44:37
another thing with him and then as he leaves he goes, "Hey, can I tell you what character of yours I really love?
00:44:45
love her. Well, what what I go, "All right, wait a minute." On the table, man, I gotta be honest. You said he was the worst character
00:44:56
in the, you know, that year or whatever. And he goes, "Yeah, yeah. A guy I work with read that and was like kind of
00:45:02
bummed out." And he goes, "No, you should check it out. You, you know, really watch it." And I watched it again. I was like, "Oh, yeah. This is good."
00:45:08
Oh, we're suffering. I mean, that kind of gave me a whole I was like, "Oh, this is how it is with this show." You know what I mean? Like, it's like it's it was
00:45:19
like that day that at that moment the guy hated it. And now a year later, he's like, "Oh, it
00:45:25
was really nice." And then the opposite will happen where someone the thing they love and you run into him, they're like,
00:45:30
"Actually, I watched that again. It doesn't age well." You know, or whatever. Yeah. Well, isn't it fun? I just about
00:45:36
cuz I saw it this morning, too. just seeing it again, which I love when I saw it. First of all, it's it's low energy
00:45:42
in a way. Like it's it's the opposite of the firehouse incident. It's getting huge laughs. So then you have the task
00:45:48
of uh I don't know if you can do it now, but Kristen Wig is trans or something and then you go Herb goes with the mic
00:45:55
over her body. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that like did you was that choreographed like I'll do bump bump bump bump bump because the crowd's going crazy. Are you going a little bit more on the air show?
00:46:08
Because I think probably a little bit more. I Well, I started laughing because when I hit her in the crotch, wig made a sound,
00:46:16
right? So then that she did a little sound and I started laughing. So you looked away a couple times.
00:46:23
I looked away cuz she went like that. And so instead of breaking in front of the crowd, you just looked away and came
00:46:29
back. I looked away for a second cuz she was But yeah, you're right. We probably Yeah, you can do that now. Well,
00:46:35
a lot of Yeah, we a lot of those. Yeah, a lot of stuff. Bad Ching change, you know, in 1988.
00:46:41
There's stuff Downey wrote for us that there's no way. Even at the time, I was like, Jesus Christ, I don't know about this. All right. I like when Downey goes, there's just
00:46:54
something in the There's something about there's something very precious. It's a little too precious.
00:47:00
There's just something very funny about see when you when you say this line you want to go up and then when you go this
00:47:06
one now he's kind of he's kind of this thing you know it's like act it out with you and get
00:47:11
it's that whole thing it's just more the idea. Yeah I know he was good with I mean I
00:47:18
you know I really like Downey but yeah he yeah he would really go it was you know
00:47:23
he goes he was always goating me on Hollywood Minute to go harder. He goes, "You're a [ __ ] You're a [ __ ] You're
00:47:30
not doing this. Don't act like you're doing it." And I go, "I'll do it." And he goes, "No, you won't. Don't even talk about it." And I'd sit there and go I
00:47:35
go, "First of all, you're the guy that's going to fire me." Uh because Yeah. Exactly. And it's like, "You don't have to go out there.
00:47:41
He's my boss." And then he wants me to do it, but he'd be like, "Hey, bad news. I have to fire you over that joke."
00:47:49
But I would say, Dana, I'm just jumping around. But when you said Bill that you were good the last year when you were telling everyone you were really good on the show the last year um
00:48:01
earlier last two three whatever whatever I'm joking but but you got more relaxed and
00:48:07
I think the idea of that I wanted to jump in from 10 minutes ago is that you I think you guys are in the same spot maybe not as much Dana or Bill but I never knew if I was coming back and
00:48:19
every summer he'd say I don't know if he's right for the show, but you know, we don't know if we're going to bring him back to me about me. And then they would at the last minute. And so, you
00:48:31
can't relax in that situation. And and that's fair. It's a business. He doesn't know. And if I He wants to cut me like a
00:48:37
baseball team. He doesn't want to have a long-term deal. So, I'm, you know, going check to check going, if I don't get on
00:48:44
for three shows or don't score, this is it. It's curtains. And so maybe you who are possibly in that same position where it's your last year, you don't really care because there's no high stakes anymore. You're going anyway.
00:48:57
Yeah. I mean, I will also say, and you guys had this. I mean, you did Tommy Boy and Dana. What you were doing
00:49:06
were you still on Wayne's? You were still Yeah, I was on the show Wayne's World came out. Yeah. Those were huge. I mean, did that give
00:49:12
you guys a bit of confidence like Oh, yeah. boy came out where you were like cuz I had hot rod after my first and I was like well I was in a movie.
00:49:23
Yeah, they won't cut me. Andy Sambborg. I feel like there's some stock in me. Even if the movie didn't do well, they put me in a movie, I guess. But
00:49:34
I was really naive, too, you know. Yeah, I I I I know what you're saying. And I sort of did. Uh I think it was
00:49:41
right in the Hollywood. It was probably three years. I was on six. After three, when I got to four, I go, I think I'm
00:49:47
going to push this through. Now, I was held as a feature player longer than Schneider, Rock, and Farley, and
00:49:54
Sandler. So, I I I had an extra year, so I'm like, maybe it's just not for me. I mean, I'm
00:49:59
not a big character guy, so I I sort of saw what they saw and I go, I can score maybe here and there, but
00:50:04
I'm not I'm not a full utility player like they need here. it. That's so funny you say that because I was I was
00:50:11
watching, you know, massive fan during those years and it seemed like you were very much
00:50:17
I have geek Fox. Michael J. Fox. Oh yeah. Hey, what are you doing here? What are you saying? You know, here's here's my new one. Daniel, I love that so much from There Will Be Blood. This is my
00:50:31
shot and partner HW. That's pretty good. Dana, I have a competition problem. I have
00:50:37
accomplished another fails. I should win. You You did that. Speaking of that, drink your milkshake. I love that Daniel play as a sketch. Can you give us You want to go into it for a
00:50:49
second? I'm an oil bath. I'm an oil man. I'm an oil man. That was like, you know, the thing that you keep to get into it.
00:50:57
Yeah. Like all day I was going, I'm an oil bath. I'm an oil man. That's screwed up on. That was the other
00:51:03
thing that drove me nuts. writers. It was like it was like nuts. It's like this is um down in you know uh
00:51:11
Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And it's like I'm doing a voice so I'm working on the name Milwaukee Wisconsin.
00:51:17
And then for some reason they change it to Kenosha. Oh, right before. And I go Kosha. You guys change it to Kenosha. And it was like oh we just liked Kenosha. And I was like I'm doing a
00:51:30
voice. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. It's not a thing I can kind of mal it's not
00:51:36
malleable in a way where I can just start riffing in it, you know? I don't know if you ever had [ __ ] like that
00:51:42
where you were like it was like all these weird lateral moves at the last minute that would throw you
00:51:47
and then they're like, "You blew it." Just do one phrase and repeat it. That's That's the key. I I I never That's me in the bathroom before the sketch. You just go in there and you go,
00:51:58
"Have I prepped enough?" You're like, "It's coming up. Have I been [ __ ] around? Are we at Wally and Josephs? Are
00:52:04
we bullshitting in the writer room? Like, I got to go lock in and go, "Okay, I'm going out there. I don't want to go." Sometimes I'm out there.
00:52:10
Even in standup, sometimes you're in the middle of your show, you go, "Fuck, I just I was in a groove cuz I've done so many shows this week, but I didn't go
00:52:17
over it right before I went on and just think like, okay, what am I going to walk out of it?" You just got Yeah.
00:52:23
It's fear of like being on national television going, "Wait, what?" Yeah. Did Did you Yeah. Really? Seriously? I don't even know what I'm
00:52:33
reading. Did you do cold openings? I mean, because I had a lot of those right to the camera. I did one cold open
00:52:40
pressure-wise. I hated the cold open. I did one that Downey wrote where I was Spitzer. Spitzer. Governor Spitzer. And it was me talking
00:52:52
for, you know, seven minutes. Yeah. And I just I just after that was done, I went and just was like, I don't
00:52:59
think I can do that again. That was like I really was I was terrified. Is it there not that many laugh lines in
00:53:06
it or would just or was just too much too much dialogue? It's just Yeah, it's just like
00:53:13
it's and it's I love Jim. I love Jim so much, but it's dry, you know? It's a You're starting off the show doing like this dry thing. It gets laughed. They're ready to laugh. They it is they
00:53:25
are pumped and excited and some bands playing and it's like 10 seconds, five seconds and then you come out with this thing that you know the first four minutes of it is kind of like set up
00:53:39
and here's a dry bit go. Yes, it you know and I love but it worked. It got it. By the way, really
00:53:46
funny, but for my anxiety, it was like the first four minutes of this is like actually not has no jokes in it. Just being like, here's the fact,
00:53:57
you know, you had to do that [ __ ] all the time, dude. I feel too late. I Well, first of all, I just want it for
00:54:02
uh SNL listeners, the the cold open is when the studio is just getting ready to do the show. Someone screams out
00:54:10
10 seconds, 5 seconds. And then and then the studio the rest of the show there's
00:54:15
ambient noise of them moving stuff around while the sketches it's the only one where this the whole studio goes
00:54:21
dead quiet. True. If this doesn't go well, the show has to dig out from under it, you know. So the
00:54:28
it's the pressure spot. I had a lot of props and I just started waving my arms a lot,
00:54:34
you know, just to survive. Well, you had to have those that has like an energy to
00:54:41
it. Yeah. It had high energy. Yeah. And then by the time you're doing Blush and stuff, the minute it would come on, we were always like, Yeah. But it was like a big character, but it was when it
00:54:51
was a thing, like a topical thing. Yeah. And Elliot Spitzer was not as you know it was only a it was a big story for a week and no one knew what he talked like it was you know I think after that
00:55:04
I was in cold opens but it was like we'll bring you to Congress urine you know. Yeah. There was one time I had to go into the booth because I recorded a
00:55:17
a uh thing for the pretape you know the scroll like you know this week in Alabama blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you know. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever current thing happened and they
00:55:28
ran to me and they're go, "The tape's not working. You got to go do a live." I ran into the the the booth, put my
00:55:36
headphones on, and it's just everyone yelling and screaming, "Is he in the booth? Is he in the booth?" And I'm like, "I'm here right now." It's like, "All right, go."
00:55:42
Now we're live. Oh, that Don Partardo booth over there. Yeah. And there's no uh scroll. So the
00:55:50
script and I'm reading over black because something went wrong. So I'm reading over black. I'm trying to remember what I did. I did it Thursday and Saturday and I'm going, "Okay." I do the
00:56:03
whole thing like Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I The sketch starts and I go to sit down. Partardo's in there. I sat onto
00:56:14
Partardo. And Partardo goes, "Get off of me. Get off of me, Bill Hater. The great Don Pot, get off my foot.
00:56:25
So, the whole time I was doing that, he was just sitting on the thing in that small booth and I didn't see him because
00:56:31
I was so freaked out. And then I'm like, "Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm sorry." It's like he's on the toilet and you sit
00:56:37
on him. You're like, "Oh, hysterical." Rob Schneider Jimushi. He goes, "Jimushi."
00:56:48
You've heard that, right? Oh, yeah. Someone underlined Jim. Jimushi as a as a dick move to Jim Belalushi.
00:57:04
We can't do everything about you, but we should say, should we talk about Barry or your I I think I my wife did not
00:57:12
realize that you went into Second City and was discovered in a backyard. doing improv. So, uh, that might be
00:57:19
interesting for a second, but your trajectory to SNL was sort of interesting in that way. And then your
00:57:26
story on SNL became fascinating because you are a Hall of Famer. Yeah, you're a first ballot hall of
00:57:32
famer. Put it this way, Bill. This what I say to people. If someone said to me, Bill her was the greatest of all time sketch
00:57:38
player in SNL, I wouldn't slug them in the face. That's really sweet. I would have to think from you guys. Yeah. You had a
00:57:45
great cast though, too. You were surrounded by solid [ __ ] Christian Wig, Andy Samberg, Jace, uh,
00:57:51
Will Forte, Fred Arson, Amy Puller. I mean, Seth Myers, Daryl Hammond, Jason Sedakus are your bandmates. I mean,
00:57:58
yeah, my Yeah, my Rudolph was there. My Rudolph overlap. Crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, I was Kenan
00:58:05
Thompson. Ken Thompson's actually the guy that I would sit he would do these those what up with that sketches and I
00:58:12
was so anxious on air and I would sit and watch him do those because I was I had no lines in those sketches
00:58:18
and I would just sit there and think like I just need to get to be like that loose and have that much fun on air.
00:58:26
Look how much fun he is having. He doesn't agree. I don't think I ever got there.
00:58:31
He has he's like behind his joy is just right behind his eyes and sort of in his you just feel it. He was the guy that when people talk about I was like Keenan Thompson was the
00:58:42
guy I was always he would do update. I would go out on the floor to watch him do Update because I was just like he's
00:58:47
just such a Bill. He's such a Keenan. Do you have to take that Keenan going like what what are you saying about me? Uh, no, but it was just he was just one of those guys that when I would uh
00:59:02
I would just I was always kind of knocked out by how loose he was and how much fun he had and we would be in sketches together. Yeah. I was like, "God, he can just knock this
00:59:12
out." It was kind of like what you were saying earlier, like you throw anything at him. He never seemed thrown. He was
00:59:18
just a pro and lovely all the time. He's one of those guys. He could be bullshitting with you about something
00:59:24
totally innocuous and then you go on live television and he destroys it and then comes back and he picks the
00:59:30
conversation back up. I love I'm like I'm like, you know. Yeah. You got to get ready. Did you Did you guys ever hear that you guys weren't that good? Because
00:59:41
obviously now you look back and and it's always different eyes. pretty allar. I want to say the Washington Post or something wrote a review my first season that was like who the [ __ ] like me and
00:59:55
Sedakus and Forte were interchangeable. Who do you think you are? Is Yeah, this is terrible.
01:00:02
And and living in New York too, you didn't, you know, people would just I remember a guy in a and a a cab driver
01:00:08
went, "Hey, SNL, you [ __ ] suck." Everybody has the cab driver. Yeah. Or like, you know, you go into a deli and the guys like they don't use
01:00:20
you. Why don't they use you? They don't use you anymore. They haven't even watched for 2 years. Yeah.
01:00:26
Yeah. Everyone wants to get you bitter. Your relatives, everybody. They don't use you enough.
01:00:31
I go I get a guys go, "Hey, got any movies coming out?" That's like the dumbest, easiest question. I go, "Ah,
01:00:37
no." I go, "They did that wrong. Missy, I didn't see that. Anything else?" So I go, "Well, it takes a year to shoot it.
01:00:43
It takes a year to come out. Takes a year to get another one." And I'm like, "So you miss this? You're 5 years
01:00:48
behind." He's like, "Yeah, what else?" He actually said, "The guy works at a deli." He goes,
01:00:53
"Where's Chris Pratt been? You never see him anymore." I go, "He was in Jurassic World and the raccoon one." And he goes,
01:01:00
"Oh yeah, I didn't see those." I go, "Well, what am I going by? Who the [ __ ] what you're giving? If he's not doing
01:01:06
well, no one is. My god." I was like, "Oh, I didn't see Kota. Tell me about Kota." Is that the deaf one? Is this Chris Pratt in that? See, he's not in [ __ ]
01:01:18
Does he play Kota? You know, I saw you on Saturday Night Live. I thought you were a woman. I saw
01:01:25
that woman character guy thing you did. I got you a woman. You uh Hey. Um, but the one I always got
01:01:32
was, "Why don't they use you?" I know. One of the usual I because when I'm in a wig, you don't know it's me. Oh yeah. Yeah. Hey, is that show live? Do you really
01:01:42
take that? And then for a while it was like, what's Kristen Wig situation? What's her situation? She a nice person. What's his situation?
01:01:55
She's stuck up. Hey, what's up with Dale Hammond? Is she Is he stuck up? You think he'd be my friend?
01:02:07
He looks like a friendly guy. I fancy myself on that show once in a while. You know, I duplicate this with my friends. Anyway, 10 years of improv.
01:02:19
Good luck with that. All right. All right. Let's wrap it up with Bill. Let's talk about Barry. Oh, Barry, real quick. Really quick. No,
01:02:30
I'm kidding. We don't need to talk about Barry. Everyone loves it. 30 am I mean it's uh it's an unbelievable show. It really is. It's shocking. I mean, you're this sketch player. You're so brilliant
01:02:42
at it. You do the voice. You do Cloudy with meatballs. This and that. And then I I hear you're going to do this. I
01:02:48
like, huh? What'll that be like? I was like one of those guys. What are you going all drama for? You're [ __ ] funny. But then the show is brilliant
01:02:54
and you're brilliant in it. and the first show of the first season where your character comes in and watches the
01:03:02
acting class and you're not saying anything just in that moment. It was like the show just completely hooked me
01:03:09
right there. Yeah. You know, and of course because I like people like your cast, you know, Stefan
01:03:14
Root, I mean Yeah. Yeah. So [ __ ] great. Sarah Goldberg, Anthony Carrian is amazing.
01:03:21
Anthony Carrian is No Ho Hank. That's what Yeah. No, Hank. Really love. Yeah. Uh, and of course Henry Winkler is so
01:03:29
brilliant. So, congratulations Hank Winker. It's had it's Hank Winkler. I'll say I have a, you know, the nicest guy in the world. I'm at the improv in 1981. I do I think a
01:03:42
mediocre set. I go outside in the bar. I've not been on TV or anything. I just hear a voice behind me going Stella.
01:03:50
Stella. It was a stellar performance. And it's Henry Winkler. Smooth as silk. You landed all your
01:03:57
jokes. Oh, he's so [ __ ] nice. And that was talking to you. You must have [ __ ] your pants, Dana. Yeah, it was Henry Winkler. It was a big big deal to for him to give me that at
01:04:08
that moment. Pinky Tuscado there. Be honest. Sorry, that's happy days. Freedman was take it outside. Not in the hall. Take it outside.
01:04:21
So, what what do you So, uh this Barry thing, what do you want to say about Barry? I think today the trailer the the official trailer came out. So,
01:04:34
today this comes out in two years. Okay. Um Bill, is this the one where you direct all of them? No, I directed uh five of them and uh
01:04:46
yeah, so I really love directing. That's like I love doing that. It's so much fun. But it does, it's this weird thing
01:04:52
where people are like, "Oh, how do you act and direct?" But you kind of write a character that doesn't talk a lot.
01:05:01
So, I have to worry about that. Lines and then when I get the lines, I forget them. It's hard to do it all. I can't even
01:05:08
[ __ ] act. I can't do anything. Actually, being on SNL was, you know, who was actually Chris Rock was the guy
01:05:14
I was talking to. I was like, "Yeah, I might I want to direct at some point." And I asked him, "Could you direct?" And he goes, "If you could do SNL, you can
01:05:20
direct because you have to you sort of direct your sketches, right? Produce all your sketches."
01:05:26
Yeah. So, when we did the pilot for Barry, me talking to, you know, you know, heads of
01:05:32
departments and props, props and all these things, I kind of knew I had confidence on what I wanted in
01:05:38
stuff, but that was totally from SNL from doing that. You know, it's hard when they go, "What kind of drapes do you want?" You like these or
01:05:44
these? And you go, "Uh, I'm just worried about the jokes." Yeah, you're good at going that one. This one.
01:05:50
You got to make a hundred of those a day. Yeah. All day. And then and then they go, "Well, the ones you pick now don't
01:05:56
work." And it's like, "Okay, well, which ones do you work?" Oh, that's great. Love it. You know, whatever. Yeah. But I think having being
01:06:03
having that confidence and I think the thing that SNL did, I don't know what you guys feel about, but it took that like romanticism out of like creating,
01:06:11
you know, and it was just like we had to do a show on Saturday. So, it was kind of like
01:06:16
there was no I have to go look out a window and write in my notebook about my thing. It's like no, we got to we're like under a table up on the 17th floor
01:06:28
eating pizza, scribbling real quick, you know, or Yeah. reading [ __ ] in the bathroom going,
01:06:34
"Fuck, okay, I got to go do this on national television in five minutes, you know." So, everything seems downhill after
01:06:40
that. Exactly. Easy after that. Yeah. Bill, I have a director question. Sometimes because I don't I've never directed
01:06:47
anything and I wonder when the director yells action. Uh there's a times there's
01:06:53
some sets I've been on where the first AD yells action. I don't like it. Yeah, I think to be a director, the only thing
01:07:00
you want to do is yell action. That's the whole fun thing. I I actually I totally get that and I've
01:07:06
been on those sets, too. I actually have like my first AD. Sometimes you have first ads and they're kind of like,
01:07:14
you know, you work well together but you're not partners. But I have this guy Gavin Kleintop who I
01:07:22
is like my partner in the thing. He's like a he's amazing. He's also a big film geek. So like that episode you were talking about Dana where you don't see the guy, I can explain to him like the
01:07:33
Karate Girl episode and go this is a coverage I'm thinking. He goes, "I totally get it, you know,
01:07:39
and like I'll figure out how to make that work." So, he says it, he does say it, but also I'm in scenes. And there is
01:07:45
a thing when you're working with people and you're in a scene together. A thing that I've been doing that all
01:07:51
the actors are like, "Can you please stop doing it is because I'm writing the stuff too is I'm mouthing the word."
01:07:57
Yeah. Can I Can I tell you did that? Johnny Carson really when I was first out in his thing cuz I you do the prep interview and so I would
01:08:09
see his mouth moving along you know I'm going isn't that special and Johnny's going so special. Yeah same same thing.
01:08:14
So, wow. How did you do you get rid of that or that was makes so you know Henry was very sweet like Bill you're doing a
01:08:21
great job but it froze me a little bit when you're mouthing along with me especially in some of these more intense scenes you know I'm like oh I'm so sorry yeah sorry yeah it is like
01:08:36
you know Conan does that a little bit when I remember being on a couple times conan
01:08:43
will do it Man, yeah. I didn't want to say Conan cuz he's a good friend. No, I'm saying as someone who does it,
01:08:50
you know, but but listen, when you look at that old and not to bring it back, that one gap girls lay off me. I'm starving. I'm
01:08:57
so scared it won't do well and it'll won't do as good as dress. I am mouththing along really.
01:09:02
And I I haven't really heard someone say that before, but now that you're saying it, I go, you can see it in the sketch.
01:09:08
I might want because you're so in I want him to nail it so perfectly. feel this and please make sure this
01:09:14
works, you know, and I think everybody kind of thinks like we're just having fun up there, but it's like there's so
01:09:20
much pressure. But I didn't know I was doing it and probably you didn't know. I had no idea was doing it. And I've had Steven Root and Henry Winkler both said
01:09:30
she Please, please stop mingling along with us. And I'm like, I am so sorry, but it is you're just so locked in to you know
01:09:40
what what's happening. Do you like so one one hallmark of a show that's really working is that every there's no
01:09:47
weakness like every actor on Barry seems like that's the person that had to play that part and they're so good. So you
01:09:54
psychologically and with all your experience, do you change your directing style depending on your who you're
01:10:00
talking to in terms of like that little note right before you go trying to give them confidence or Oh yeah. I mean like Steven Root and
01:10:07
Sarah Goldberg are feeder people, you know, like very feeder trained and so Okay.
01:10:14
You don't um they they come in pretty prepared. Sarah especially like she is super prepared. So it's like gentle like Oh, maybe have like a little private moment in the middle of this or maybe
01:10:26
try this. But yeah, and then you know Henry is is kind of free flowing kind of, you know. Yeah. And so you emotional and so he's
01:10:38
kind of oh he needs more you know like we did a scene this season where he he has to enter it really angry and so he was like I could see him being angry
01:10:50
and stuff and so he was taking a broom and throwing it on the ground and I was like oh good can make sure Props has a
01:10:56
broom there for him. will never see it, but he needs something to just kind of go smash something and then enter the
01:11:02
scene, you know, and Okay. And uh you know, stuff like that, you know. Yeah. And then a lot of you try to stay out of their way, but then I do in that way of
01:11:13
like because I'm also acting in it. Um it's a thing I've had to try to rein in as I can't help but be like, you know, it and this is also at SNL. I had no
01:11:25
problem if it was a sketch. was like, you know, it's more like we were saying about Downey, you know, it's more like
01:11:30
the rhythm is thisa. Yeah. Actors don't like you know what I'm saying at SNL. I didn't have I don't know about you guys, but I had no problem going to Andy or
01:11:43
somebody and going like, you know, it's, you know, and people would ask for it if you were
01:11:50
the writer of the sketch. I would ask like, well, what are you thinking here? Yeah, you know what? We did thems
01:11:58
that's John Mlan and I's favorite sketch we ever wrote. It died at dress. But the whole thing is rhythm.
01:12:06
Like the whole thing is rhythm. The whole thing. There's nothing else. There's nothing else but but rhythm. So
01:12:12
Casey Kasem son did well son. Yeah, we did it at Largo with you. Yeah, you were there. Yeah. Yeah, we and we we if the audience doesn't hook the premise
01:12:24
and sometimes at SNL just gets lost that first 30 seconds. What is going on here?
01:12:29
And then it just, you know, but it was a quiet sketch and very dry. But at Largo, we really set it up. We had them on our
01:12:36
side. We were surprised and that my Yeah. But yeah, the point Yeah. that thing on Barry is like you can't
01:12:41
go, "Hey, the rhythm is this." Yeah. Yeah, people go, "Yeah, please don't tell me how to."
01:12:47
Some people literally go, "Give me a give me a line reading." Yeah. Sometimes that'll happen. Not so
01:12:53
much I'm Barry, but sometimes Henry will be like, "Just tell me how you want me to say it, you know." Um,
01:12:59
but yeah, everybody's a little different, you know. And mostly I just know, you guys know from acting and
01:13:05
things, the biggest thing I think is actors just don't they don't want to look like idiots. They don't want to look foolish. They
01:13:10
want to make sure they're they want confidence. Like I've never understood I've worked with with directors that
01:13:16
their whole thing is kind of browbeating you never understand it. And so to me it's
01:13:23
just like but at the same time smart actors can kind of sniff out if everything's great.
01:13:29
That's not good either. Yeah. Where it's like beautiful, beautiful. I love it. I love it. People
01:13:36
Yeah. Fred Wolf would always go, "Oh, that's great. That's really great. Really great. Oh, that's just incredible. um you know, you might want
01:13:42
to just try this one thing, which I I appreciate that about him. I was never in a movie with him like David, but uh I
01:13:47
think that that is the challenge of being a director. What I had a director would give me 10 notes between takes 10
01:13:56
and it was just like it turned into nothing. More energy, less energy. Yeah. Yeah. I or people being like you know very precious about the words you know I
01:14:08
could see sometimes if an actor is like you know struggling with a line you can go just say it and how you would say it
01:14:15
but here's the the information that we want to get across is this you know right I've been locked into lines they
01:14:22
get really mad if you change one word one word where you do where you doing and they yeah they change if you change one word
01:14:28
because it sounds more real and they go no we got to do the whole thing over and you go what happened? You go, you flip these two and you go, it's the same
01:14:35
exact thought. I get I get it's your writing, but No, I had that once on a show or movie
01:14:40
where the writer was directing and came over and was like, you know, there's a comma there for a reason and I was
01:14:47
Yeah, exactly. It's not that good. Yeah. Trying to spice it up. Trying to give it. it, you know, as long as the the general thing is there, you
01:15:01
know, I don't I'm not I'm not that stoked on if we can kind find something better. Yeah. Sarah Goldberg and Anthony Carrian especially are two people who can come in and make will come up with
01:15:12
lines or say Anthony will just improvise it, but they're always like, "Hey, I was working on it and I was thinking maybe I
01:15:18
could say this, this, and this." And I'm like, "Oh yeah, try that." You know, that's perfect. So it's not over rehearsed and they
01:15:23
could just do it. Yeah. try stuff in a way and then but then yeah, you know, I've done this too
01:15:29
though where you improvise a thing and it's like now we're getting way off course. Yeah. The story is this you guys are going
01:15:35
over here. Can we you know so it's it's like it's like a nice balance I think of of of that you know
01:15:43
with people. But I do think when you're acting with people, it's hard because your their scene partner is telling them
01:15:50
what to do, you know. So that's always I'm always very conscious of that, you know, when Yeah. I wonder have you done a Woody Allen movie? I guess no one does it anymore, but you know,
01:16:01
sorry to be facitious. Yeah. Because Andre Preven John Kuzak told me once, he goes, "You know, you sounds like you're you're
01:16:14
acting, you know, so you should try to make it seem like you're not like just acting, you know, because Oh, that was a note."
01:16:20
Yeah. But maybe the writer maybe the writer, which would be me. No, you're a wonderful.
01:16:27
You're a beautiful, intelligent woman. Good boy. Yeah, you have a beautiful intelligent a boy. But talk about a writer director. So, it looks like uh if I had to guess, you'll
01:16:38
you'll do whatever seasons of Barry and then you'll you'll be out off on the reservation being a film director, which
01:16:46
you dreamed of at age at age 10. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. But it's fun. You know, it's been it's a weird securitous road to the thing that you always wanted to do, but it's fun.
01:16:58
How fun that you get to do a show and you get to be in it and what a what a blast.
01:17:03
And it represents your sensibility, what you want. You're working with like-minded people. Your partner Alex
01:17:10
Yeah. And you you know, it's dark and this season especially is incredibly, you know, brutal at times, but I I don't know. It's nice to kind of have that in
01:17:22
it. And it just feels right. Again, it's that instinctive thing. It's like we're talking about death and people getting murdered and stuff.
01:17:28
Yeah. I I wondered about that watching season one and season two, the darkness and the lightness and the comedy beats, you know, right on the edge. You know, you must been thinking
01:17:39
about that as you go along. How funny can this be before it ticks us away from the story, always threading the needle
01:17:45
with that? But but but doing it beautifully. It's working, you know. Yeah, this season was definitely like,
01:17:52
oh, let's push that maybe a little bit when you're trying to be honest with what the
01:17:57
the uh material is. But sometimes I wonder if it's just getting older. You see friends getting
01:18:04
older, people are dying. Yeah, you want to go darker. I got to start to be Yeah.
01:18:10
You know, you life happens and it's like, oh, if I'm going to do this, we should be kind of honest about it. where
01:18:15
I feel if I did the show in my 20s, it'd be a little bit more glib, right? Yeah. It's an inevitable trajectory as as life
01:18:22
beats up. Bad [ __ ] really happens on this planet and to everybody. Wow. Wow. Well, I don't like Anyway, we're finished with part one.
01:18:33
We're going to take a short break. Our guest today is Bill Hater. Bill's like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." I had a Okay, Bill, do you have anything more you want
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to say? cuz we loved having you. I had a great time. Oh man, it's like awesome being here and Yeah, man. It's crazy. I I'm being
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genuine. It's very cool getting to talk to you guys. I'm still Yeah, it's just awesome.
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Uh well, we're I'm up on the ladder from you. I'm I'm up David's a half step down
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from me and you're the other way down. So, thank you. I I'm an elder at this point, which is great. But look how fit
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I am. I mean, it's it's amazing my my energy. I look startled. Yeah, I know you can't see it. listening.
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No, I feel good. I'm I'm working on a scripted podcast with my sons, which is so much fun. It's like making a movie.
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Very difficult. Uh just all voice acting and effects, but I'm having a blast doing that. It's called The Weird Place.
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David, a little plug before we go. This will be our biggest episode. Oh, yeah. Go on the road. Watch me at
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davidspade.com. No, I'm kidding. Dana, wait. Do you know that your son, your impression of your sons is the Californians voice? I was flattered that Fred Armson told me that. I I thought it
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could I mean I feel that voice was in the ether, but it was pretty much all we're going to do today. Yeah.
01:19:52
Yeah. It's you impersonating your son and and then the first ep first time they did that sketch, he was doing a different voice. Okay. Oh, and then he switched it out. Oh. and then a dress. He came out and
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went, "Wait, wait a minute." And we all were like, "If you see it, I think it's online. Kristen going,
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funny, what is he doing? What is he doing?" That's what And we both lose it. That's where that sketch when it first
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hit me that you you all were going to do that voice and then talk about how to drive around LA. That just hit me like a
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ton of bricks. It was so [ __ ] I'm going to take thous we did when we would come back from LA and you would be at the table waiting for Lauren to show up on Wednesday.
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Yeah. And then everybody would go hey I just went to LA and it's like and then someone go how'd you get there? It's like well I took four to
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but to do it with those voices. No, I'm going to take 405. No, but that's your your impression of your son is the voice we're doing.
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