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Okay, the Hawk. Tony Hawk.
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>> The Hawk. Meister.
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>> Tony Hawk is back. We had to bring him
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back because uh he's the coolest.
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>> We had a good time with good old Tony
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Hawk. Uh I met this young man who's It's
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always fun to know someone who's the
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best at something.
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>> He came in the studio. Um
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>> we met when I was 20
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or 21 on Police Academy 4. The good one.
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>> Yeah, that's right. your skateboarding
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debut in emotion.
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>> I knew about him from skateboard
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magazines and all this stuff. Uh, and
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getting to meet him right off the pages
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of the magazines and he had Mike McIll
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and Lance Mountain, all these great
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skaters with him and we would what a
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great time. So anyway, we did that and
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we talked about that and also just
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talking about what it's like to be the
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best skater in the world. I mean, a lot
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comes with it. He's very rich, which I
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like. um has his own board.
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>> Well, he he breaks down moment to moment
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for what was it? Five flips or something
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in this and you you'll enjoy hearing
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that. I mean, obviously what he's doing
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is very brave,
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>> but he's a he's kind of he's an affable
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agreeable personality. He's not like a
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like a tough guy. He just sort of talks
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it through and uh it's really fun.
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>> No ego telling us like doing a 1080.
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What's it like?
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>> You're going up and spinning and where's
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the ramp? Where are you in the world?
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Where what's going through your head?
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>> Yeah. You're upside down. Your head is
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an inch from concrete. What are you
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thinking at that moment?
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>> Uh very I, you know, listen, I like
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Tony. I've known him a long time and
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he's done a lot and he has a lot to say
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and he has Tony Hawk video games. Just a
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lot going on
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>> and he has an incredibly cool
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>> very chill dude. Here he is. Tony Hawk.
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>> Yeah.
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I think for for actresses I don't think
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it's fair that every article they're
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like Mimi Rogers 67. They always put
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their name and then their age and I do
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not do that with men.
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>> They do it for men too but I think it's
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mostly women and uh that's when I notice
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it and I go why does that matter and
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that should be eradicated because it
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doesn't matter. You could look it up if
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you want to know right.
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>> I think they'll eradicate it if we look
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up anything at this point. I mean, I
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can't believe they're still doing that
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when they don't do anything else. It's
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like that one seems a little more
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obscure.
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>> Let's put a Let's put a billboard and
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say stop putting the ages of women
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started. I got a lot of time in life,
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>> especially in the actress world, like if
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you're thinking of hiring someone that
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just in the back of your head, you go,
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"Oh, that's the right age." Or, "Oh, no,
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that feel," you know, whatever. It just
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it's it sends a weird message
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immediately and it doesn't need to be an
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article. And I know anyway, thanks for
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coming by, Tony. Take it easy.
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>> Thank you. You could you're free to look
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up my age. Tony who turns 27.
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>> Uh he's uh you know I I the age thing
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one is always gives a sense of humor
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about it. And I have a dermatologist
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who's I think he's like 85. I said how
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old are you? I'm 106. That's a standard
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answer.
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>> That's a good way to say it. Just to say
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it's high.
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>> He's a guy who checked my skin and every
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and he had a woman with a clipboard and
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he kept going age related. He's got a
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microscope. I do like age related. I do
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you have to say age related? Can I have
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something age related?
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>> Dude, I went I've done that on this
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podcast before.
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>> D and I went to catch one night. Tony,
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we're we might not get to you, but
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>> I'm just going to tell I I I listen to
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the show anyway. So, I'm just here fast.
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>> You know how it works. You know, it's
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going to come to you.
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>> We have so many questions for you. It's
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going there's going to be a two-parter.
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>> So, I go to this uh high-end restaurant,
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Koi, and um Koi, which is basically
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sponsored by us. I saw you at Koi back
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in the day.
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>> Yeah.
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>> They moved it. People were like hovering
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with paparazzia. That's where he got
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>> place. Then catch took him.
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>> Uh so this guy was there and he goes,
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"Hey, uh this is my buddy. He's a
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plastic surgeon. He works in town." And
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and he's already looking at me and I was
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of course a little buzzed naturally cuz
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it was night time. So I had a little
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loud mouth. You're like a
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>> I go
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I get that little humming.
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>> So So I I get on there and I go and I'm
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just standing at the table. So I go the
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worst question. What would you do to me?
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And he like slowly looks at me like
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Robocop. I go, "No, no, no." And he
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goes,
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>> "Well,"
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and I go, "No." And he goes, "Listen,
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here's a lot of
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>> If you want just the top nine things
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that are like no-brainers, like these
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are things that are not even tuck."
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>> No, Dana, I'm not going to say because I
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want to go, "Oh, yeah. Yeah,
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>> because uh we would disagree."
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>> Oh, no.
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>> No, you can't. You have to just you have
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to roll with it.
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>> You just get nice work. Good work.
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That's the key. Good work. So people
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just don't know you got work. Well,
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Tony, let's get let's get
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>> I'm looking at you, Tony.
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>> Tony and I are about When is that
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happening? We're about the same age.
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>> Can you Do you have that guy's number?
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No. This guy, honestly, he was like,
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"Listen, I'll do it on the house
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by noon tomorrow."
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>> Cutters what like to cut. I'll tell you
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that.
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>> Face guys don't go, "Oh, you don't need
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anything." They go, "We can get in
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there, dig around a little bit. This is
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all natural. I've been here since
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Eisenhower's first administration. I
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won't give my age, but I'll just say I
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was on this earth with these hands and
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these feet since the mid50s
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>> voting for Calvin Kulage.
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>> Look how good I look now.
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>> Tony, let's talk about there's so many
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place to ask, but
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>> I want to know just cuz I was talking
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about Vicodin and how I only get plastic
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surgery for Vicodin.
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>> I don't need it. I don't need this.
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>> I had crazy surgery. I took a Vikin and
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hated it. I liked the Advil much better.
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the minority.
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>> Hey Advil, if you're listening.
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>> I know. I like when the doctor goes, "So
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you broke your leg. You want to really
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pump the Advil?" I go, "The what?"
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>> Yeah.
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>> [ __ ] funny you say that cuz I broke
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my leg in March. A year ago tomorrow.
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>> Yeah. This is actually a good story.
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>> Did you get Where's the celebration?
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>> No. No. Can I get details on that?
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>> No, this is a good story because I know
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what I did. I was laying there on my
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ramp with my leg.
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>> Was it the femur or the femur? Yeah.
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What was the trick? Mc
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>> twist.
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It's always a McTist. Wait a minute.
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Were Were you by yourself?
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>> I was not. But my friend,
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>> my good friend Kevin came over about
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five minutes later with two Advil.
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>> Two Advil.
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>> Jesus Christ.
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>> I'll never forget that.
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>> Well, that
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>> All right. Thanks.
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>> I might do an opioid at that point, you
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know. But so was it was it particularly
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scary? It seems like a lot of times
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people get hurt when it's like
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peruncter, but they're just not as zoned
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in as much.
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>> Dude, your [ __ ] thigh. It was a trick
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that I have done tens of thousands of
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times
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>> and I uh didn't have enough speed going
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into it and I knew that full well, but I
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was always able to figure that out,
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adjust for the air. And
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>> I guess at age 54, that's the time when
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you can no longer adjust for it so
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easily.
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>> And next thing I know, I'm just sliding
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through the flat part of my ramp with my
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leg. I could feel it just dangling. And
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I looked up at another friend of mine. I
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go, I broke my leg. And he's like, what?
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And then I grabbed it and I put it back
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in place
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>> instinctually.
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>> I can't believe what I'm hearing.
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>> But but then in that moment I knew like,
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"Oh, I'm so fucked."
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>> Like I can't I can't move. I can't do
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anything. I want to rewind this whole
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moment in time. But
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>> did you hear it as well
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>> or did it pop?
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>> It was all very chaotic
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>> the fall. So I'm really sure how it
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happened, but I don't remember hearing
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it pop. I just felt it disconnect.
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>> And what what did they do with that? Do
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you have a metal rod down your
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>> I do? Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Okay. How much did that cost?
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>> You know,
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I looked at the hard cost of it because
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I thankfully have insurance.
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>> Uhhuh.
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>> It's a lot. It's more than a house.
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>> Really?
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>> Yeah. By the way, who is insuring the
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homes in my area anyway? Not Not where
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you guys live.
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>> Who do you get your insurance from?
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>> I mean, my god. Who is like
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>> Bobby's healing and band-aids on
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Ventura? Where did you
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>> Zack? Sag. Oh, SAG
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>> Blue Lacrosse. So, Anthem
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>> that
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>> How long How is it now?
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>> Well, I went through I went through
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eight months of recovery
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>> and got my get got back on my skateboard
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much too soon. I watched this whole
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thing on Instagram playoff
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>> and it never connected. My bone never
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connected because I was so active on it.
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>> So, you you rushed it a little bit and
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it never grew together.
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>> Yeah. And and I and I kept thinking like
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it's going to happen. It's going to
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happen. And then at some point I
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realized that I'm just in pain all the
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time. I mean like I would I would have
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to take a painkiller to get through an
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airport
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>> and I go this doesn't feel right for 8
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months in. I went and got X-rays and
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realized the bone had moved further away
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from where it was when it got
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>> because you were too active.
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>> I was too active. So,
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>> I uh I came up here to a specialist and
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um he's the specialist in non-union
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fractures, which means it never it never
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formed a union.
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>> And he put it straight and sent me on my
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way and I've been taking it slow and I'm
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finally back on my skateboard the way I
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used to.
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>> Where your bone wouldn't cross union
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lines
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>> one year later. What's that?
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>> It wouldn't cross.
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>> I'm supposed to get a hip replacement at
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some point.
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>> I heard those are Let's do it. Let's do
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I heard those are very effective and
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quick healing.
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>> 55 minutes open to close.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I I've been avoiding it for seven years,
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Tony, because they take a a saw and I
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feore.
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>> I heard I heard it's awesome.
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>> But people
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>> I would rather go through that than my
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femur issue.
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>> No, no, yours would be much worse.
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People who do it always say, "Ah, I
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should have done this a long time ago."
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I like to wait and kind of suffer. It's
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part of my personality. David's like
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that, too. But uh I'm inspired by your
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uh healing, you know, because
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>> at 24, you know, things heal faster.
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>> Yes. But yeah, I learned that you're
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full court. You're full fully around
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now.
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>> Um I'm I'm on my way. I'm not I can't
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say I'm fully
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>> You're not going to push it, are you?
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Doesn't your wife say don't push it
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anymore because you're going to break it
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again?
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>> Uh she is concerned that I that I am
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getting a little too
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uh ambitious
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>> and confident with it. So, I have been
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taking it
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>> as slow as I can. Let's put it that way.
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>> I'm I'm much more aware of it this time.
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>> You're like you're still kind of the old
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gunslinger in a way. I mean, you're the
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guy who invented the sport basically in
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some ways. I mean, thank you. I
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Everything I read it's is Tony Hawk and
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you're a icon. I mean, right. I'm not
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>> Everyone's sick of it. No, I appreciate
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it. Thank you.
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>> You're attached to this.
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>> Everyone's sick of it. You got a point
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there.
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>> But there's a lot of people on our
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podcast. My wife loves
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>> When is he just going to quit? My wife
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loves this podcast
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>> and she she'll know enough about you
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just through our sons that did that and
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I I just for a second before we get into
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all the questions I have. So the
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beginning because I was reading you know
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about your your high IQ and you were
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sort of a difficult like because I'm
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interested in what kind of brain not
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even your physical gifts becomes
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brilliant at something at age 12 9 12 um
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yeah I it was honestly it was just being
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obsessive and determined to a point of
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like to a fault because when I was a kid
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I just was so I wanted to do certain
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things and I didn't have the the body
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for it or whatever, but I was fired up
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>> football. I couldn't do football.
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>> Football. Well, I didn't play football,
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but but baseball, basketball.
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>> I was saying I could do a little bit of
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that. Like I was thinking, what other
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sports you good at? Because I couldn't
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do everything. And I went to
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skateboarding because
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>> in Arizona,
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>> it was that. Yeah.
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>> Well, skateboarding is a culture, too,
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which we'll talk about. I mean, it's
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more than
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>> Sure. And then once I started doing it,
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I kind of fell in love with the misfit
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aspect because I never really felt like
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I fit in with my school. Are you saying
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to me that are you saying Tony that you
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may not have absolute physical gifts
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like someone who could just Larry Bird
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got a basketball and just said came to
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him right away. Eddie Van Halen got his
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son his son his brother's guitar
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>> sat on the bed at 8 a.m. and played till
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midnight.
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>> Right.
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>> It just spoke to him. So when you got on
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the board it just spoke to you and you
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>> spoke to me but but in no way was I a
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natural
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>> a natural. You you you would do that for
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>> I would just do it, but I would just do
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it endlessly. Like I would go I would go
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from school to the skatepark,
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stay there until my mom got off work at
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the she she worked at community college
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>> at 8 or 9:00 p.m. and then she'd have to
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drag me away until they turn the lights
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off.
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>> Did you ever annoy them? Cuz bad
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skateboarding kids are really loud. Like
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they're constantly falling and banging.
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It's not a very relaxing thing as a
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parent watching bad
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>> skateboard. Steel wheels. You weren't
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that far back, were you? Not that far
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back. No.
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>> Did you have a yellow free form with a
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split tail?
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>> No. But
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>> jeez, what's going on, man?
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>> Bane.
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>> I did have a Bane was my first board.
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>> Okay. Okay. You like that, Dane?
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>> What?
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>> You like that [ __ ]
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>> Bane.
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>> Okay. Let me go back.
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>> This guy's legit.
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>> Let me go back to more Larry King type
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stuff.
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>> Yeah, I do.
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>> So, there you have a
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>> We want to get into the weeds of of
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urethane and clay wheels. We have a
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psychological question for him. My son
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had a when I was just talking on the way
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over here, he had he just had a comment.
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He wanted you to comment on this is
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jumping ahead a little bit. The turf war
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at a skate park between the BMXers, the
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Rollerbladers and the skaters, even
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though it's called a skate park.
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>> So, so what what uh will you comment
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please on that, Mr. Mr. Hawk?
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>> I'd say rollerbladers. got lucky in that
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I was a sort of a generation before that
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was happening.
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>> And at some point I got very lucky that
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I was still skating when rollerblading
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started to
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>> be on the rise because
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>> I was struggling to make a living at
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skateboarding and I got to be the
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special guest at rollerblade shows.
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>> This is a rollerblade show but we got
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special guest skateboarder Tony Hawk
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here. Thank God.
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>> That was paying my mortgage, literally.
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>> So, I never had the beef. I saw it. I,
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you know, I I saw it playing out and
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people were whatever, having bad
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stereotypes with everything.
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>> Um, but
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>> I love everyone.
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>> You're like the godfather, though. So,
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if they see you, do you win because
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you're a skater and they're like, "Oh,
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the [ __ ] king is
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>> I don't I is more that I grew up. I grew
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up too, not that grew up, but but
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eventually I was in all the X Games and
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doing all that. And then we were all
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sort of brethren, the BMXers, even the
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inliners. Um,
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>> and the skateboarders because
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>> we rode the same terrain and we were all
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sort of coming up together.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, I I didn't feel that turf war like
00:14:40
you said.
00:14:41
>> Um, I will say that it's tricky when you
00:14:43
have
00:14:44
>> a lot of BMXers and a lot of skateboard
00:14:46
as a skatepart because BMXers are
00:14:47
silent.
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And you can't see them coming. You get
00:14:50
hit.
00:14:51
>> You don't hear them coming. Yeah.
00:14:52
>> Right. Because the rubber tires and
00:14:53
everything.
00:14:54
>> Yeah. So that that can be an issue. And
00:14:56
so I I think that there's a good
00:14:59
>> Some skateparks assign certain days for
00:15:01
bikes and certain days for
00:15:02
skateboarding. I think that helps.
00:15:04
>> It seems to me as a layman that the
00:15:07
rollerblader has the device attached to
00:15:09
his feet. The BMXer is hanging on to the
00:15:12
device,
00:15:13
>> right?
00:15:14
>> And the skateboard guy has to stand on
00:15:16
the [ __ ] thing. And it's like seemed
00:15:18
much harder.
00:15:20
>> Yeah, there's some apples to oranges
00:15:21
there. I got to say
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>> I guess I mean I would I was such a
00:15:23
baby. That was when there were steel
00:15:25
wheels back in the 60s. A really steep
00:15:28
hill. Yeah.
00:15:28
>> I'd sometimes just sit on the [ __ ]
00:15:30
>> San used to catamaran down some hills at
00:15:33
the wedge in Arizona
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>> and big wipeouts at the end when you
00:15:37
catamaran with your friend and then
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>> we would do it down really steep grass
00:15:41
hills just so that we knew cuz we knew
00:15:43
we were going to wipe out
00:15:44
>> and then we just come live.
00:15:46
>> Yeah. Exactly.
00:15:47
>> I I actually uh wiped out at High
00:15:50
Roller. I'll tell you that in a second,
00:15:51
though. Uh
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>> High Roller Skate Park.
00:15:53
>> Can we just finish off this uh young
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young Tony for a second? Just you're um
00:16:01
you were just a quirky kid. You weren't
00:16:03
a natural athlete. You you got a hold of
00:16:05
a skateboard from from someone in the
00:16:07
neighborhood or you're not older brother
00:16:09
>> and then it just spoke to you. You
00:16:11
became possessed.
00:16:12
>> Yes.
00:16:12
>> And then within
00:16:13
>> Possessed is good. Yes. Within three
00:16:15
years of that, you were world class or
00:16:17
where at 12, it was something or 14. You
00:16:20
It was such a quantum leap.
00:16:21
>> I I started skating around age 10 and
00:16:24
then got really into it. As I
00:16:27
>> dove into it completely,
00:16:30
>> it took a downturn in popularity. So,
00:16:33
sort of like at the time when I was
00:16:35
really starting to come into my own and
00:16:38
fall in love with it, it was all the
00:16:40
world was crumbling away around me. Um,
00:16:43
and so I got sponsored at age 12 by
00:16:46
Dogtown skateboards.
00:16:48
>> Yeah.
00:16:48
>> Which
00:16:49
>> didn't really mean a whole lot. It just
00:16:51
meant that sometimes they would send me
00:16:53
free skateboards. That was pretty much
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it. And then I moved up.
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>> So no money.
00:16:57
>> No money. No
00:16:58
>> sponsor. I never knew what that meant,
00:16:59
but I thought the coolest one.
00:17:01
>> Free gear.
00:17:02
>> Free gear. And then And then that moved
00:17:03
me up to the sponsor division. And that
00:17:06
kind of lit a fire because suddenly I
00:17:07
was skating with people who are much
00:17:09
more advanced and I had to figure out
00:17:11
how to navigate that. And then I rose to
00:17:15
the top of the amateur ranks in within
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two years and then I actually turned pro
00:17:19
at age 14.
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>> But but when you turn pro like that what
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that means is I was filling out an entry
00:17:25
form to the competition
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>> and there's an there's your name and
00:17:29
address and then there's a box that says
00:17:30
amateur and there's a box that says pro.
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So I checked the pro box. That was the
00:17:34
only difference. That was it. And then I
00:17:36
was first time you made money or sorry
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>> that was competing for $100 first place.
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>> Okay.
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>> 75 second 50 for third. I got fourth.
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>> So no money.
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>> No money.
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>> Do you remember your first check for
00:17:48
doing this or
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>> My first check was 50 bucks when I got
00:17:50
third place.
00:17:50
>> 50 bucks. Yeah. I got paid $3 for my
00:17:52
first set.
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>> Oo.
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>> Yeah. Money for your first set. That's
00:17:55
pretty rare.
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>> Rum Williams was there. I think we It
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was $10. I think he took seven. I took
00:18:00
three.
00:18:01
>> Her seven. Oh. Seven. $7. Do you want to
00:18:04
be famous? I asked him. Oh, just want to
00:18:06
play for the people. Never forgot that.
00:18:08
Well, you're playing pretty well. God
00:18:10
rest his soul. Good friend. Anyway,
00:18:12
Tony, that's remarkable. How are your
00:18:14
parents reacting to this? And your
00:18:16
brother, are you is there a sibling
00:18:18
thing? Like Tonyy's a superstar. What?
00:18:20
>> Well, he was he was um he is 13 years
00:18:23
older than me, so he was he was in
00:18:25
college and
00:18:26
>> uh just kind of watched it. Well, he he
00:18:29
was there sometimes, but my parents, I
00:18:32
think they saw what it provided me just
00:18:34
in terms of my sense of self and
00:18:37
self-confidence and finally kind of
00:18:39
focusing all of my energy and
00:18:41
frustrations onto that instead of them.
00:18:43
So they were thankful
00:18:45
>> and they were supportive and and there
00:18:47
were many very few parents were
00:18:49
supportive
00:18:50
>> because of the danger of it or or just
00:18:52
that because of the culture of it like
00:18:54
culture surfer dude
00:18:56
>> and you weren't going to go to school
00:18:57
>> even though there's a rumor you're smart
00:18:59
but we have no proof
00:19:01
>> it says here your IQ is 144 maybe at one
00:19:04
point maybe he's half as high as that
00:19:08
he's incredibly smart he's a chess
00:19:10
champion that was his thing that's
00:19:12
>> that's what I got off of had to go into
00:19:14
skateboarding, which was a mistake. So,
00:19:15
did you
00:19:16
>> Some of us didn't go pro, Tony, and uh
00:19:18
didn't get Ford.
00:19:19
>> So, you got paid $50?
00:19:22
>> Yeah. And then um eventually got my own
00:19:24
skateboard model and that's when I
00:19:26
started receiving royal checks, royalty
00:19:28
checks for between $4 and $5 a month.
00:19:31
>> Four and five a month. That's not too
00:19:32
bad.
00:19:32
>> $485.
00:19:33
>> Did you design it or you How did you get
00:19:35
your own?
00:19:35
>> I designed the shape of it and then my
00:19:37
sponsor Pal Pelta, they designed the
00:19:39
graphics of it. Um, but then
00:19:42
>> something happened in the mid80s where
00:19:44
suddenly skateboarding kind of came
00:19:45
around again
00:19:46
>> and I found myself in high school making
00:19:49
six figures from royalties on those
00:19:52
skateboards.
00:19:52
>> So, you're already an entrepreneur.
00:19:54
You're you're a businessman already as
00:19:56
you're a superstar athlete.
00:19:58
>> Yeah. I didn't see it that way, but
00:19:59
>> but it was just or were other kids doing
00:20:01
it as well? Did you have other Did you
00:20:02
have other dudes or women in the school
00:20:04
that were
00:20:05
>> not in school? No. That was the weird
00:20:07
thing is that there was this resurgence
00:20:09
of skateboarding. It was popular,
00:20:11
>> but not a mainstream or widespread
00:20:14
popularity. So, I was still the outcast
00:20:16
at school. I literally would would hide
00:20:18
my skateboard in the bushes when I go to
00:20:20
school
00:20:20
>> because people would hassle me if I if I
00:20:22
carried around. They they would yell
00:20:24
skater fact.
00:20:25
>> Yeah.
00:20:26
>> And I was I was pro.
00:20:28
>> I was pro. And I was traveling
00:20:30
>> to places like Florida, to places like
00:20:32
Phoenix to go to these big events and
00:20:34
sign autographs and come to school. And
00:20:36
I was a ghost.
00:20:37
>> Can I ask you just a technical question?
00:20:39
>> Yes.
00:20:39
>> Because it would seem to me when I watch
00:20:42
gymnasts and stuff that you you growing
00:20:45
to 6' three, is that an advantage,
00:20:48
disadvantage, or neutral in terms of
00:20:50
doing upside down flips? You have to
00:20:52
have a bigger, you know, the math of
00:20:54
that. When did you get to 63?
00:20:57
>> Uh, not till I was in my late teens. So,
00:21:00
you're becoming a brilliant skateboarder
00:21:02
and you're growing and so you're
00:21:04
adapting your revolutions to that
00:21:06
height.
00:21:06
>> Yeah. And I was still very flexible when
00:21:09
I got tall. So, it was to an advantage
00:21:11
because I finally was able to get speed
00:21:14
>> and get get more height. And because I
00:21:16
could ball up, I could still do those
00:21:18
spins and things but at greater heights.
00:21:20
>> So, your height gap.
00:21:23
>> It helped me. Yeah. I can't say it it's
00:21:24
helped me into my older age, but it
00:21:26
definitely helped me.
00:21:27
>> Interesting. David.
00:21:28
>> Okay. Hey, Mike. Psychological question.
00:21:31
>> I'm the layman. He's a skateboard.
00:21:33
>> Is now uh when you grew up in San Diego
00:21:36
and what was the park in Carl's? Was it
00:21:38
Big O? What's not?
00:21:40
>> Uh so there was Oasis skate park in San
00:21:42
Diego
00:21:43
>> and then that closed and then uh Delmare
00:21:45
Skate Ranch was the last one park in
00:21:48
that era. Yeah.
00:21:48
>> Okay. So let's say Tony remember Vans.
00:21:51
>> Do you remember? Yeah. That's much
00:21:53
later.
00:21:54
>> For one of my kids birthdays, I bought
00:21:57
the place.
00:21:57
>> Which one? Ontario or
00:21:59
>> down?
00:22:00
It was like Mil Pedis or something.
00:22:02
South Peninsula.
00:22:03
>> Yeah, that was
00:22:04
>> Vans. That made him the coolest kid in
00:22:06
school.
00:22:06
>> That was a good part.
00:22:08
>> Yeah.
00:22:13
>> Now, let's say because I did get to golf
00:22:16
with Tiger Woods. Let's say he's the
00:22:18
best in golf. That's sort of generally
00:22:20
known. And you are, let's say, generally
00:22:22
known as the best skater. Uh, is it a is
00:22:25
it something in you that makes you not
00:22:27
want to give up? number one because you
00:22:28
still skate. You don't really have to
00:22:29
skate anymore. You could stop and
00:22:32
>> Well, I never did it for fame or
00:22:34
fortune.
00:22:35
>> You still like it.
00:22:36
>> But those thing those things weren't
00:22:37
even dreams.
00:22:39
>> No, I I have the same I asked my wife,
00:22:41
did I ever talk about being rich or
00:22:42
famous? Never. I was in the club and I
00:22:44
just wanted to be the best guy in that
00:22:46
club. So, I totally relate to that.
00:22:47
>> But in skateboarding, no one was rich or
00:22:49
famous when I started. That wasn't that,
00:22:51
you know, no one could aspire to what do
00:22:53
you aspire to? I don't know. I'm going
00:22:54
to be pro. Okay. No one's making money.
00:22:56
you get that $100 check.
00:22:58
>> Yeah.
00:22:58
>> And you're in the magazine. And so, um,
00:23:00
that was never the motivation. And so,
00:23:02
having come this far and having success
00:23:05
I would have never dreamed, I still just
00:23:07
want to skate. I mean, it really is what
00:23:09
you want to push it.
00:23:10
>> You're the first superstar.
00:23:12
>> I think I've turned a corner on that to
00:23:14
be honest. I mean, you've proven
00:23:15
everything, but I guess it's still fun
00:23:16
to be like, you're still as good as
00:23:18
everyone. We go to comedy clubs, you
00:23:19
still want to do as good as these guys,
00:23:21
you know? It's the same thing.
00:23:21
>> Sure. Yeah. I I can't That's the thing,
00:23:23
though. I can't phone it in and
00:23:26
>> and everyone's watching you.
00:23:27
>> I can't. Yeah. And so if I were to feel
00:23:30
like I'm not really of a professional
00:23:32
level, I wouldn't do it in public or on
00:23:34
camera.
00:23:35
>> Yeah.
00:23:35
>> Um but I'm I'm still walk the walk.
00:23:38
>> I totally relate to what you're saying.
00:23:41
You know, when I go to do a day, I I
00:23:44
can't help. I just want to dominate, but
00:23:46
it's it's not in an unfair way. Like you
00:23:48
have your peers
00:23:49
>> just to do but to do your personal best.
00:23:51
>> Yeah. Yeah. Not because you want to
00:23:53
destroy everyone else.
00:23:53
>> No. No. But it's it's it becomes a de
00:23:55
facto comedy competition sometimes and
00:23:57
there's a lot of subjectivity to it when
00:23:59
10 guys go on and we're supposed to be
00:24:01
just hanging out at the comedy store
00:24:03
doing our sets but it's always like
00:24:04
you're the best setter. He couldn't
00:24:06
follow you. It's a gunslinger thing,
00:24:08
right?
00:24:08
>> But yeah,
00:24:10
>> it's not as much Dave and I we don't
00:24:11
>> Well, I did enjoy you guys after Chris
00:24:13
Rock.
00:24:14
>> Oh, you saw I saw that. Yeah.
00:24:15
>> Did you sense the awkwardness cuz we
00:24:17
were Caucasians?
00:24:19
>> No, I think you guys handled it very
00:24:20
well. I didn't want anyone to figure
00:24:22
that out, but they did right away.
00:24:24
>> Well, they were. Yeah, it was uh it was
00:24:26
good. We were there to facilitate, but
00:24:29
um you know, I can't join in on those
00:24:31
conversations and
00:24:32
>> No, but I thought you guys did a good
00:24:33
job.
00:24:34
>> We wanted to joke. First of all, we
00:24:35
liked everybody there. All the the panel
00:24:36
was cool. We hung with him all day and
00:24:38
JB's funny.
00:24:40
>> He came out of his shell that night.
00:24:43
>> Finally, for the first time, poking and
00:24:46
proddding.
00:24:46
>> Yeah. The guy
00:24:47
>> he lit his cigar backstage. He'd held it
00:24:49
for 20 years. That's right.
00:24:51
That went so good. I'm going to light
00:24:53
this up. I said JB, you are smooth.
00:24:56
>> Was smooth. He was nice.
00:24:57
>> We know and we've known Chris, David,
00:24:59
especially close with Chris, but known
00:25:01
him since 1990. And uh
00:25:04
>> that was sort of how it came about. Like
00:25:06
we had a podcast. We're always we're
00:25:08
together anyway. SNL, it's Chris. We're
00:25:10
all buddies. Let's put a panel together.
00:25:13
Let's I guess they want to make the
00:25:14
event bigger. So why not? We'll talk
00:25:16
about it. But there's some stuff in
00:25:18
there. If I had some heavy controversial
00:25:20
opinions, I would say them. I But I
00:25:22
didn't really I just watched the jokes,
00:25:24
liked them, said a few funny things, but
00:25:26
when it got really heavy things, I don't
00:25:29
want to comment. I mean, I want to let
00:25:30
them talk. And that was the same thesis,
00:25:34
but it happened to Chris and he owned it
00:25:35
and expanded it. But I thought it was
00:25:39
always about something else, that anger,
00:25:41
right, with the wife. I mean, it was
00:25:44
pretty obvious, but he laid it out
00:25:45
perfectly. And what was fascinating to
00:25:47
me is that
00:25:49
very rarely does the world watch quote
00:25:52
unquote the world and we all know the
00:25:54
story. We all saw the slap and all the
00:25:56
reaction and then a year later we have a
00:25:58
guy who got connected to it in such a
00:26:01
way cuz Chris doesn't
00:26:03
>> flood lines. But I think the emotion was
00:26:05
so strong at that moment which made it
00:26:07
better because it's live and real that
00:26:10
this was a more than a mic drop. He was
00:26:12
working some stuff out
00:26:14
>> and um it you know I he just wondered
00:26:18
casually is this is this over now or
00:26:20
>> I mean me another special next year.
00:26:22
>> We've all been bullied. Me and Chris
00:26:24
used to talk about I was pushed around
00:26:25
Arizona. I was always a pipsqueak and I
00:26:27
hated it and Chris hated it and uh I'm
00:26:29
sure Dana got a little bit of it.
00:26:31
>> Well no no no way more I got bullied by
00:26:34
a grown man knocked out and [ __ ] Yeah.
00:26:38
>> Yeah. And so when you get like that, I
00:26:39
can see when things like that set you
00:26:41
off, road rage, [ __ ] because people try
00:26:43
to [ __ ] with me. They'll hit on a date
00:26:45
right in front of me. They'll go, is
00:26:46
this guy going to say anything? Or
00:26:47
they'll say that you're not going to do
00:26:48
[ __ ] And that anger builds up over your
00:26:50
whole life. And so Chris getting that on
00:26:53
stage at the Oscars. In my head, I was
00:26:55
like, I I don't know if I could continue
00:26:57
life. It just be it's so humiliating.
00:26:59
And then you don't fight back. Should I
00:27:00
have should? So you go on and on and
00:27:03
Will I thought got off pretty easy
00:27:05
because banning from the Oscars is one
00:27:07
thing, but banning from getting an Oscar
00:27:08
is I thought should be stronger for a
00:27:10
couple years.
00:27:11
>> Yeah, he doesn't have to go to the silly
00:27:12
show.
00:27:13
>> Who cares? Go to the Vandy Fairy. Just
00:27:14
wait and watch me walk in and
00:27:15
>> they'll bring it in on a platter.
00:27:17
>> Yeah, I saw him there after the Vandy
00:27:18
Fair. Then I saw Chris
00:27:20
and uh Chris was pretty cool.
00:27:23
>> So I I saw Chris the next morning.
00:27:25
>> Where were you?
00:27:25
>> I was staying up here and I saw him at
00:27:28
breakfast.
00:27:28
>> Oh, you did?
00:27:29
>> Yeah. and he was alone at a table and I
00:27:31
changed alone. Well, tell us what you
00:27:34
said to him.
00:27:34
>> I just said I thought that you handled
00:27:37
that like a maestro
00:27:38
>> and um he said yeah I don't had anything
00:27:41
to do with with me but he but he already
00:27:43
had a clear piece of you know I wasn't
00:27:45
>> yeah he has his own history with with
00:27:49
sit on it for a year it was it's it's
00:27:52
got to drive him crazy but at least he
00:27:53
let it all out and it was it was great.
00:27:55
I feel like he's
00:27:56
>> I think that was a literal mic drop. I
00:27:59
don't think he he got it all out. I
00:28:01
don't think he has anything else to say,
00:28:02
but I hope it continues. People have
00:28:04
said to David and I if we had a real
00:28:06
feud, this podcast would blow up.
00:28:08
>> I know. We're trying.
00:28:10
>> So, I'm trying to find a way to get mad
00:28:11
at him. Pretty mellow. You want to be
00:28:13
part of it. It's a wedge here. Listen to
00:28:14
me.
00:28:14
>> It's pretty mellow. I'm trying to work
00:28:16
up anger, but
00:28:18
I want to have credit for that. No, but
00:28:20
what you say about bullying, I mean, and
00:28:23
in our day, it was you just you got
00:28:24
picked on.
00:28:25
>> Yeah.
00:28:25
>> I just They're always picking on me. you
00:28:27
know, we pick on him and that that was
00:28:29
totally accepted.
00:28:30
>> Yeah. And
00:28:31
>> there's no re there were no resources.
00:28:32
>> And a lot of it is not grandiose. Like a
00:28:34
lot of it is just the uh the guy in the
00:28:36
locker room just takes the back of your
00:28:38
neck and just just quickly just pushes
00:28:40
you down to the floor. There's
00:28:43
>> knowing you're going to do nothing.
00:28:44
>> Cuz I was so small. They would pick me
00:28:45
up in the hallway and spin me around
00:28:47
once.
00:28:48
>> By the way, nothing more humiliating.
00:28:50
>> Now that's why you were so great doing
00:28:52
360. You got to thank the guys.
00:28:54
>> Let's go. Wait, let's go two and a half
00:28:56
this time. Listen up to a 900.
00:28:58
>> Tony Hawk became brilliant because of
00:29:00
bullies who would flip him, throw him in
00:29:02
the air, throw him across the room, roll
00:29:04
him down the hill. By the time you got
00:29:06
on a skateboard, you go, "No one's
00:29:07
trying to hit me."
00:29:08
>> I don't think you get picked up like I
00:29:09
do. When people pick me up at a party, I
00:29:12
[ __ ] flip out. And to this day, it
00:29:13
happens. I go, "If you pick me up, we're
00:29:15
dead for life. We're not friends ever
00:29:16
again."
00:29:17
>> It's like the most humiliating [ __ ]
00:29:19
>> Picked up, too. Yeah. And they'd throw
00:29:20
you against the locker.
00:29:21
>> I had a girl pick up my mom. That's it.
00:29:23
That's after I came my pants I said this
00:29:26
is over
00:29:31
surprise ending
00:29:33
happy surprise. So Tony
00:29:36
>> well Tony
00:29:37
>> Tony um
00:29:38
>> no let's ask him about uh the movie we
00:29:40
did. We have to talk about
00:29:41
>> Oh yeah. Okay. Well I just so you got
00:29:43
I'm still so fascinated how well just to
00:29:46
make one obser one obs casual
00:29:48
observation. The sport is went for a
00:29:51
while. Yeah. you come up, you're
00:29:53
emerging right as the sport is going.
00:29:55
And so you're the first that I don't
00:29:57
know if there's a second or there are
00:29:59
these after superstars, but to the
00:30:01
casual observer, you are skating and
00:30:04
you're who
00:30:06
>> how many people their name is a brand.
00:30:08
>> It's funny because I don't know I, you
00:30:09
know, I know skating. I know some names,
00:30:11
but
00:30:11
>> it's synonymous with Tony at that level.
00:30:14
I don't
00:30:15
>> Well, I I can tell you I I credit a lot
00:30:17
of that for a successful video game.
00:30:20
>> Oh, that's right. I think your name is
00:30:21
>> because our our game
00:30:23
>> in huge letters
00:30:24
>> had had huge success.
00:30:26
>> Gigantic. Yeah.
00:30:27
>> That was where you made the most money,
00:30:28
right?
00:30:28
>> Oh, yeah. And people would would see my
00:30:32
name synonymous with a successful video
00:30:34
game. So, that kind of added to the
00:30:36
recognition factor.
00:30:37
>> Well, that's the cool thing is that
00:30:39
you're the video game guy and then
00:30:40
you're still actually the best guy can
00:30:43
physically do it. Doesn't always happen.
00:30:44
So, that that's that's so much power.
00:30:46
So, how did the video game quickly how
00:30:48
did that come about? They approached
00:30:49
you. you got to a certain level and a
00:30:51
company approached you and were you in
00:30:53
on the design of it and so forth and so
00:30:54
on.
00:30:55
>> Uh so I was actually working with a PC
00:30:59
programmer who came to me and said,
00:31:01
"Hey, I have an idea for a skateboard
00:31:02
game."
00:31:03
>> Nerd,
00:31:03
>> what's up?
00:31:04
>> Nerd. Nerd.
00:31:06
>> Two. We were two nerds.
00:31:08
>> Nerd alert.
00:31:09
>> Literally knocking on doors. We were
00:31:11
going to console manufacturers. We're
00:31:13
going to software companies and saying,
00:31:14
"How do we do this?" Uh, so this was n
00:31:17
like around 97 96 97.
00:31:20
>> So you're huge though at that point,
00:31:22
right?
00:31:22
>> Um,
00:31:23
>> yeah. Well, I there was there's sort of
00:31:25
a gap in in skating's popularity in the
00:31:28
early '90s. So it went underground very
00:31:31
much so and that's kind of when street
00:31:32
skating emerged.
00:31:33
>> Okay.
00:31:34
>> So this game they don't come to you
00:31:35
fully formed. They say go with us
00:31:37
together.
00:31:38
>> This he and I went to meetings and we
00:31:40
just got shut down everywhere we went.
00:31:42
They said skateboarding is not popular.
00:31:44
Why would anyone want to play a
00:31:45
skateboarding game?
00:31:46
>> Okay.
00:31:47
>> Uh and and at the time there weren't
00:31:49
>> that many home consoles. There were
00:31:51
there were some, but not it wasn't.
00:31:53
>> Did you go to Nintendo or so? He gave
00:31:56
up. He got frustrated. Okay.
00:31:58
>> And he he actually told me he said,
00:32:00
"Look, I I got to find a job, but um I
00:32:02
feel like we've made some some headway
00:32:04
in terms of putting your name out there
00:32:07
that you're interested in doing this and
00:32:08
then maybe something will come of that."
00:32:10
I remember thinking, "Yeah, okay, buddy.
00:32:11
Sure." And then almost a year later, uh,
00:32:15
Activision called me and said, "Hey, we
00:32:17
heard you want to do a video game." I
00:32:19
said, "Well, yes, very much so." They
00:32:21
said, "Well, we are doing a video game
00:32:23
of skateboarding,
00:32:24
>> and we'd like your input or to see if
00:32:26
you want to get involved." So, I went up
00:32:27
to Activision,
00:32:28
>> and they were working on this game that
00:32:31
was based on an engine that they had
00:32:32
already made for a game called um,
00:32:34
Apocalypse, starring Bruce Willis.
00:32:36
>> Okay. It was the first game that had a
00:32:39
celebrity lookalike or Mhm.
00:32:42
>> you know avatar I guess they not the
00:32:45
movie but literal
00:32:46
>> and his voice and but it didn't do very
00:32:48
well but the engine was perfect for
00:32:50
skateboarding
00:32:51
>> the engineot
00:32:53
the motion in the game.
00:32:55
>> So the first time I ever played what
00:32:57
became Tony Ox pro skater was was Bruce
00:32:59
Willis on a skateboard with a gun on his
00:33:02
back
00:33:04
>> doing kick flips.
00:33:05
>> Okay. like through a desert
00:33:06
>> and it was Bruce Wills. That's a start.
00:33:07
>> Yeah, that was it.
00:33:08
>> Were was there breakthrough moments or
00:33:11
an epiphany like how how to make a
00:33:13
skateboard thing as exciting as a war or
00:33:16
something?
00:33:16
>> Well, when I played the game, I knew
00:33:19
then like this is the way it should
00:33:21
>> cuz you're feeling it.
00:33:22
>> I'm feeling it and it was intuitive.
00:33:24
Suddenly I was doing tricks right away.
00:33:26
>> So I thought with my
00:33:27
>> with my resources we could probably make
00:33:29
something that is legitimate. I I wasn't
00:33:31
thinking it was gonna go gang busters
00:33:33
because I still heard those voices
00:33:34
saying, "Who would want to play a
00:33:35
skateboard game?"
00:33:36
>> Right.
00:33:36
>> And when I told them, I had a Nintendo
00:33:38
64 at the time and I said, "Oh, we're
00:33:40
gonna make this for Nintendo 64." And
00:33:41
they go, "No, we're making this for
00:33:42
PlayStation."
00:33:44
>> PlayStation.
00:33:45
>> There's a million PlayStations out
00:33:46
there.
00:33:47
>> There aren't a million Nintendo 64s. And
00:33:49
so I went along with that, obviously.
00:33:52
>> Another smart idea.
00:33:53
>> Not long after when the when it had
00:33:55
success in the beginning, they called
00:33:57
me. They said, "You get your wish. We're
00:33:59
going to do Nintendo 64.
00:34:01
>> Great.
00:34:01
>> I was like, "Cool." And then we ended up
00:34:02
doing all the systems.
00:34:04
>> And did the first guy you wet the beak
00:34:06
on him a little bit or not? Did he go
00:34:07
away for good?
00:34:08
>> Show business term, wet the beak.
00:34:10
>> Give a little money, little taste.
00:34:13
>> No, I felt bad for that guy.
00:34:14
>> Oh, he's totally
00:34:15
>> Well, so you had gross points. I mean, I
00:34:18
don't know, whatever. But you're an
00:34:19
owner. You're an owner. And so being an
00:34:21
owner is king.
00:34:22
>> And um
00:34:23
>> Oh, yeah. I mean, it changed my life. So
00:34:25
it just starts rolling in and then it
00:34:27
gets bigger.
00:34:28
tax by the time the fourth game. No, I
00:34:31
remember my first I remember writing my
00:34:33
first check to the IRS and thinking this
00:34:36
is more this is more than the money I'd
00:34:39
ever think I'd made in my lifetime.
00:34:42
>> I was giving to the IRS
00:34:44
the rich pay their fair share. The only
00:34:46
one who did is Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk on
00:34:49
this. Yeah, I could forgotten the
00:34:51
loopholes.
00:34:52
>> That was Joe Biden. Sorry.
00:34:54
>> He gets it. Anyway, well, everything
00:34:56
seems to be going well at this point in
00:34:57
your existence. The game has kicked ass.
00:34:59
You've won so many X games, world
00:35:01
champion.
00:35:02
>> Um,
00:35:03
>> done a lot of commercials.
00:35:05
>> You land a 900 at at some point. How
00:35:09
long did it take you when I saw
00:35:11
>> How big a deal was that for you?
00:35:12
>> Uh, that was Well, that was for me that
00:35:15
was my best uh exit from competition.
00:35:19
>> So, you you were thinking I'm gonna land
00:35:21
this and
00:35:22
>> and that wasn't there was no plan. Oh,
00:35:24
>> it it was all spontaneous that night,
00:35:26
honestly.
00:35:28
>> So, you just thought So, just because I
00:35:30
was trying to explain it to my wife and
00:35:32
my sons, you're going up in the air
00:35:34
really, really high. You're going a full
00:35:37
revolution of your body, another full
00:35:39
revolution, and then a half a
00:35:41
revolution, which you know, 360, 360,
00:35:44
180, and then hit it. Right. And that
00:35:47
was a little Mount Everest kind of thing
00:35:50
or
00:35:50
>> um for me at that time, yeah, because
00:35:52
it's something that I had been trying
00:35:54
>> off and on for 10 years. Um I did I did
00:35:58
the first 720 in 1985
00:36:00
>> and that was huge at the time.
00:36:02
>> Um
00:36:03
>> yeah, for sure.
00:36:04
>> I mean in the skateboard world, but the
00:36:06
skateboard world wasn't huge. Okay.
00:36:08
>> There were no X games. There was no
00:36:09
social media. So Okay. So no one really
00:36:10
>> Does it have to be filmed or do they
00:36:12
take your word for it? I got a sequence
00:36:14
of it that I mean back then there was
00:36:16
bones brigade videos were out kind of
00:36:18
but really it was more about did did it
00:36:20
get in the magazine.
00:36:21
>> So I got a small sequence in
00:36:23
>> Thrasher teach all those photos like
00:36:24
that. Yeah.
00:36:25
>> I got a small sequence in Thrasher doing
00:36:26
a 720.
00:36:27
>> [ __ ] yeah. I probably saw I think
00:36:29
>> on a backyard ramp in Sweden.
00:36:31
>> So when you landed the 900 what kind
00:36:33
what competition were you
00:36:34
>> that was at the XY at the X Game. So
00:36:36
that was global television.
00:36:37
>> What?
00:36:38
>> I said what kind of [ __ ] did you get? I
00:36:40
thought that's what you're saying.
00:36:42
for mature audiences only. Is that on
00:36:44
the video game?
00:36:44
>> I thought that's where you're headed.
00:36:46
>> Not quite.
00:36:47
>> No. So you do the I get all serious. So
00:36:49
wait, so you do
00:36:51
>> you're you're so to answer questions.
00:36:54
He's out there.
00:36:55
>> To answer your question, I was trying it
00:36:56
off and on. I couldn't figure it out. I
00:36:58
got hurt a couple times doing it. And
00:36:59
then when that event happened in 99, it
00:37:02
was the best trick event. And I had one
00:37:05
trick planned for that event, which was
00:37:07
not the 900.
00:37:08
>> It was a variation of a 720. And I I
00:37:11
made that early on.
00:37:12
>> So I had 10 minutes to kill in this
00:37:15
event. And the announcer, the live
00:37:18
announcer for the audience that was
00:37:20
there said, "Why don't we see ONE OF
00:37:22
THOSE 900S?" AND I was like, "Great."
00:37:25
>> Like now I'm on the spot.
00:37:26
>> Crowd.
00:37:27
>> Okay. Yeah. I watched this last night.
00:37:29
>> This isn't the one where you kept trying
00:37:31
it. Is that the one?
00:37:32
>> I kept trying. Yeah. That's one where
00:37:34
you go over and over and
00:37:35
>> like your 10th one and then they all
00:37:37
bobbed
00:37:37
>> and everyone almost gave up and then
00:37:39
>> you kept doing
00:37:40
>> well I was I think I think after my
00:37:43
third or fourth attempt I realized that
00:37:45
>> this is the closest I've ever gotten. So
00:37:48
I'm there's no way I'm going to give up.
00:37:50
It's either I'm going to make this or
00:37:51
they're going to take me away or you're
00:37:52
going to get hurt or something.
00:37:53
>> What do you think? Are you thinking
00:37:54
right as you take off like to get height
00:37:57
right to get as high? Uh there there's
00:37:59
there's kind there's a bunch of
00:38:01
elements, but speed for sure. It's got
00:38:03
to be a certain height to get that much
00:38:05
spin rotation.
00:38:07
>> Um the snap is when the the moment you
00:38:11
leave
00:38:12
>> the ramp. Yeah.
00:38:13
>> You got to have a snap where you you hit
00:38:15
your tail and you grab the board at the
00:38:17
exact same time.
00:38:19
>> And if that doesn't happen, your board
00:38:20
just flies away immediately and you're
00:38:22
stuck kind of spinning in space.
00:38:23
>> Oh, right as you're about to go
00:38:24
airborne, you got to grab your board. So
00:38:26
you're attached to it. And so if you get
00:38:28
a good snap, then somewhere in the
00:38:30
middle of the spin, you have to shift
00:38:31
your weight towards the front foot. That
00:38:34
was the part that I couldn't figure out
00:38:35
all those years.
00:38:36
>> Whoa.
00:38:37
>> Oh, interesting.
00:38:38
>> And so I mean, sorry, not not the
00:38:40
towards towards the back foot. So you
00:38:42
spinning if you if you just spin the way
00:38:45
that you take off and try to land,
00:38:46
you're too
00:38:47
>> topheavy.
00:38:48
>> So I had to figure out how to sort of
00:38:50
shift my weight to the back foot mid
00:38:52
spin.
00:38:53
>> And that's what you see me working out
00:38:54
at.
00:38:54
>> You mean when you land, you'll go face
00:38:56
first. She won't.
00:38:57
>> I did go face first the first time I
00:38:58
ever tried to make it.
00:38:59
>> So that's why you go I got to be I got
00:39:01
to be
00:39:01
>> with the weight on the back foot. It
00:39:02
seemed like when you did do it, you did
00:39:04
sort of a squat and you it you
00:39:06
>> Yeah. Well, that was me
00:39:06
overcompensating,
00:39:08
>> right? But you didn't leave the board.
00:39:09
You set the record. But that was like
00:39:11
Yeah. Interesting. Wow.
00:39:13
>> Yeah. You um you know cuz I do when I
00:39:15
used to skate. It's fun to watch once I
00:39:18
quit because you sort of know a little
00:39:20
bit about it enough to know which tricks
00:39:22
are hard. So when I see Instagram and
00:39:23
I'm like god damn like it got so beyond
00:39:26
what I could ever do. I was I was
00:39:28
>> it's video games now. Like the tricks
00:39:30
that you see
00:39:31
>> I can't imagine
00:39:32
>> on Instagram or the or the pros that you
00:39:33
see out there especially street skaters.
00:39:35
It's the kind of thing that we did on
00:39:37
our video game in combos as a joke
00:39:39
>> cuz you know you could never do it.
00:39:40
>> Yeah. No, no one will ever do this and
00:39:42
now they're doing it.
00:39:43
>> Is the equipment gotten better then or
00:39:45
or is there
00:39:46
>> uh the equipment hasn't changed the
00:39:48
same?
00:39:49
>> It seems about the same. I think they
00:39:50
have like they have, you know, plates on
00:39:53
track shoes, people running four-minute
00:39:55
miles, high schoolers, you know, carbon.
00:39:59
Okay. So, it's they're all about the
00:40:01
same weight. They're all about the same.
00:40:02
>> It's also like when you think about the
00:40:04
generations that have come before, they
00:40:07
the generation coming in now establishes
00:40:09
that, oh, a 900 is possible or these
00:40:12
these tricks, these combos are reality.
00:40:14
So, that's the baseline of which to
00:40:16
start.
00:40:17
>> You could even go crazier.
00:40:18
>> Yeah. you know, uh, they used to have
00:40:20
these things, Dana, called skyhooks. So,
00:40:23
if that was Abdul,
00:40:24
>> Tony knows what it is. If you, if I I
00:40:26
was like, it was hard for me to when I
00:40:28
got to doing aerials
00:40:29
>> at the old high roller skate park in
00:40:32
Arizona. And so, when you have to leave
00:40:34
the top of the pool, that's being a
00:40:37
colossal [ __ ] This is a doctor telling
00:40:38
me this.
00:40:39
>> That's three [ __ ] on this uh,
00:40:41
>> no, that's just saying I am not tough.
00:40:43
So,
00:40:44
>> Oh, with different connotations. Yeah.
00:40:45
Totally different meanings every time.
00:40:46
>> It's a fear thing. Dana, why once you
00:40:48
leave the town?
00:40:49
>> Come on, don't be a baby. I'll be my
00:40:51
dad.
00:40:51
>> It's too scary. And then so I wiped out
00:40:53
a high roller trying to do an aerial
00:40:55
axle stall. I think I've told Tony this
00:40:57
before. And so I
00:40:58
>> which but to his credit, it's a pretty
00:41:00
gnarly trick.
00:41:00
>> It's a hard trick.
00:41:01
>> It's hard and it's dangerous.
00:41:02
>> And so you go up land I think David
00:41:04
Andre someone did that good speed. You
00:41:05
go up off David and
00:41:07
>> you go up out of the pool. It was a It
00:41:08
was a pool at the skatepark and you go
00:41:09
up and you land on your axles and then
00:41:11
you drop back in.
00:41:13
>> Landing is the hard part. dropping it. I
00:41:14
could probably do, but I missed it and I
00:41:16
wiped out and I fell backwards into the
00:41:17
pool and broke both wrists. Now,
00:41:21
>> everyone uh uh all the concerned skaters
00:41:24
go, "Get the [ __ ] out of the bowl."
00:41:26
>> Yes.
00:41:27
>> So, cuz I was laying there broken wrist.
00:41:30
>> I had to drag my board up and it's hard
00:41:31
to walk up from the deep end of the
00:41:33
shallow. It's like slippery.
00:41:35
>> So, I get out and I'm laying on my
00:41:37
brother's we had the Lee car and Andy
00:41:39
got mad cuz we just got to the skate
00:41:41
park. We had two hours. And so I'm
00:41:43
laying in the car on the on the
00:41:44
windshield and uh Andy they go get Andy,
00:41:47
my brother, because he saw me. He goes,
00:41:49
"I'll just go in the car. We're out of
00:41:50
here in two hours." And so
00:41:53
the the the skate park person saw me
00:41:55
kind of shaking on the car. I didn't say
00:41:57
anything. I knew I was in trouble. And
00:41:58
then they went and got Andy and he comes
00:42:00
and throws his helmet and he goes, "What
00:42:01
the [ __ ] You're fine, right?" And I go,
00:42:03
"Yeah." And they go, "No, you got to
00:42:04
take him home. You can't stay." And he
00:42:06
goes, "Fuck." So he he throws me in the
00:42:09
car and he goes he goes, "I'm going
00:42:11
back." So he dropped me to my stepdad
00:42:14
>> and Oh, he went back this morning.
00:42:15
>> He went back. Yeah. And then I sat there
00:42:17
and then my stepdad was buzzed because
00:42:19
it was night. He was just drinking this
00:42:20
morning
00:42:21
>> and he took me to this clinic and
00:42:24
x-rayed him and I saw a crack down both
00:42:25
of them around his corner. I look around
00:42:26
the corner. I go, "Hm." I didn't even go
00:42:28
to med school. I see something going on.
00:42:31
He goes, "Let's sit on this."
00:42:33
>> He was drunk. I go, "What? What are we
00:42:35
waiting for?" So I lay down and I don't,
00:42:37
you know, we don't have Vikings back
00:42:38
then. We don't have anything. So I'm
00:42:39
just laying there sort of whimpering.
00:42:42
>> I was whimpering. And then uh the next
00:42:44
day my mom goes, "Take them in and do
00:42:46
something." So he just gave me splints.
00:42:48
>> So then the first day of school I went
00:42:50
as a freshman I had two splints but I
00:42:52
look like a badass. I had my quick
00:42:54
silvers. I had my [ __ ] OP shirt
00:42:56
carrying skateboard.
00:42:58
>> I didn't We got injured in different
00:42:59
ways. Like my brother
00:43:00
>> popped the wheelie. That's what we do on
00:43:02
our pop the wheelie. The wheel comes
00:43:04
off. Chips his
00:43:05
>> teeth. Yeah. The forks go down. You go
00:43:08
uh oh. This is just a
00:43:09
>> So, he's like got fangs for a while.
00:43:10
They finally got him, you know, caps on
00:43:13
him. And then he's doing a Duncan
00:43:15
Imperial going with the yo-yo. Boom.
00:43:18
Broke him again. That's twice. You guys
00:43:22
were dared slinky.
00:43:24
>> Then he got a slinky. He lost an ear.
00:43:27
Look, I don't want to go into the
00:43:29
carvey. We were rough and tumble 60s
00:43:31
kids. It wasn't Nothing was Nothing was
00:43:34
safe. Trust me. I knocked my teeth out,
00:43:36
my front teeth, uh, five times.
00:43:38
>> God dang. Are you really?
00:43:41
>> Yeah. But the cool thing about that is
00:43:43
every time you knock them out, you can
00:43:45
choose the size and the color.
00:43:46
>> Oh, the only You have a very positive
00:43:49
value.
00:43:49
>> But in your adult life, that's that's a
00:43:51
thing, right? So,
00:43:52
>> how many bones do you have broken in
00:43:53
your body? Everyone wants to know.
00:43:54
Everybody,
00:43:56
>> four officially.
00:43:57
>> Four officially.
00:43:58
>> Yeah. my pelvis, my elbow, uh my femur,
00:44:02
and um well, I broke my thumb basically.
00:44:05
>> Concussions.
00:44:06
>> How many bruises roughly
00:44:08
>> concussions?
00:44:08
>> I had I had many.
00:44:11
>> My son did
00:44:14
ramp rats with BMX bike.
00:44:16
>> I You know, you find out later, but he
00:44:18
was out cold for three minutes once.
00:44:21
>> Yeah.
00:44:22
>> Well, concussions weren't talked about a
00:44:24
lot in the old days.
00:44:25
>> No, no, you just hit your head hard.
00:44:26
They didn't know, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:28
You got you got a spell wrong.
00:44:29
>> But they say multiple hard hits is the
00:44:31
hardest thing on your brain.
00:44:32
>> Uh well or in the hundreds
00:44:34
>> in in succession.
00:44:36
>> Yeah.
00:44:36
>> Yeah. Where it's one after the other the
00:44:38
in a short time. Yes. Absolutely. And
00:44:40
and
00:44:41
>> um I I've been proactive in that and
00:44:42
I've I've had the tests and to see if
00:44:44
I'm at risk for Alzheimer's and it seems
00:44:48
that I'm doing all right.
00:44:48
>> I see a lot of dudes in these Instagram
00:44:50
with no helmets doing some gnarly stuff.
00:44:52
>> Yes.
00:44:52
>> Little scary. It's kind of a skateboard
00:44:54
cool thing to do, but
00:44:55
>> it is not the smartest thing.
00:44:57
>> They were trying to when they put
00:44:59
skateboarding in the Olympics there
00:45:00
there was a there was a movement which I
00:45:04
found odd to not have helmets in the
00:45:07
park event.
00:45:08
>> Yeah, you can z where people are flying.
00:45:12
>> Yeah. You're doing rail. That's it when
00:45:14
it's flat. You're saying when it's just
00:45:15
street stuff?
00:45:16
>> Not when it's street. They they're
00:45:17
they're not. But what they were saying
00:45:19
is park event we shouldn't have to wear
00:45:21
pads. And I was like, "You guys are I I
00:45:23
was I was not in the conversation, but
00:45:25
so you guys are flying 10 ft above 10
00:45:28
foot pools. That's Yeah,
00:45:30
>> I don't think it's going to go well for
00:45:31
the general audience."
00:45:33
>> Yeah.
00:45:34
>> No, it's not like it's supposed to be
00:45:35
kind of a fun game.
00:45:36
>> I picture parents going, "Yeah, you're
00:45:38
never going to do that."
00:45:45
Does the skateboarding culture does it
00:45:47
overlap with surfing in a way or is that
00:45:49
a bad vibe that it also it's not
00:45:52
necessarily a cannabis culture?
00:45:54
>> It was kind of Oh. Uh well I I'd say
00:45:57
skateboarding is so diverse now that I
00:45:59
wouldn't just zero in on something like
00:46:02
that. I I I feel like this definitely
00:46:04
has been associated with skating.
00:46:06
>> But they they had the phrase surfer bum.
00:46:08
Do they have skater bum?
00:46:09
>> Um, skate rat I think is
00:46:12
>> skate rat is more like to just someone
00:46:13
who lives.
00:46:14
>> But I think on the outside, especially
00:46:15
in the in those days when skating wasn't
00:46:18
very popular. There was a there was a
00:46:20
sort of view of skating that was, oh,
00:46:22
they're slackers, they're they wake up
00:46:25
late, they're stoners, right?
00:46:26
>> And I guess you could view it like that,
00:46:28
but I feel like skating requires so much
00:46:30
discipline that that was sort of being
00:46:32
ignored.
00:46:33
>> It's very technical.
00:46:34
>> That's true. We we were sort of outliers
00:46:36
because you didn't fit in anywhere at
00:46:38
our school. So my brother and I
00:46:40
>> we took my kids to Europe and they
00:46:43
>> cuz we were middle class kids. Got some
00:46:44
money. We're in Italy. But all they
00:46:46
wanted all they talked about was statues
00:46:48
and monuments. I could catch so much air
00:46:49
off that.
00:46:50
>> Oh yeah.
00:46:51
>> Everything was about what they could
00:46:52
skate off of, you know, kind of any
00:46:54
angle.
00:46:55
>> I remember when one of the pallet
00:46:56
tourries went to the Vatican and I tail
00:46:59
dropped off one of those sculptures and
00:47:01
>> I'm sure they love that.
00:47:01
>> People didn't really like that.
00:47:02
>> Yeah.
00:47:03
>> Wait a minute. You you were in the
00:47:04
Vatican skate park in the Vatican City
00:47:07
in the area. Yeah. We we we were just
00:47:10
skate that's that was the thing in those
00:47:12
days. All we cared about was skating. So
00:47:13
it was
00:47:14
>> anything. Yeah.
00:47:14
>> Yeah. The sightseeing was just more
00:47:16
incidental to us getting to skate that
00:47:18
day.
00:47:19
>> Uh stairs. What was that? What would you
00:47:21
get most excited about just in sort of
00:47:23
urban envird
00:47:28
uh reservoir?
00:47:30
>> Even Ker school here I used to see in
00:47:32
skateboard magazine. So when I came
00:47:33
here, I had to go find it. And it was
00:47:35
kind of lame. It was just slight banks
00:47:37
on asphalt, but it was something.
00:47:39
>> Yeah, that was the early days.
00:47:41
>> Yeah. I do some Blemans,
00:47:42
>> you know. A little bit.
00:47:45
>> Bleman.
00:47:45
>> Oh, yeah. Just a little term.
00:47:48
>> Is that right?
00:47:48
>> I do little tail blockers because
00:47:50
there's really no danger.
00:47:51
>> I have a photo.
00:47:52
>> I'm representing the audience at home.
00:47:54
>> In the first Bones Brigade uh
00:47:56
newsletter.
00:47:57
>> Yeah.
00:47:57
>> I had a photo doing a Bleman at Caner
00:48:00
Banks.
00:48:00
>> Oh, for real?
00:48:01
>> Yeah. Jeez. You don't have to go to
00:48:02
Bernto's deli. A good thing is if Tony's
00:48:05
a photographer across me, if you go up
00:48:07
to him and there's a camera low and you
00:48:08
do a tail block, put your hand down and
00:48:10
then that's a good picture angle.
00:48:12
>> Yeah, that's a good one.
00:48:14
>> Uh let's talk about the movie. Uh oh,
00:48:15
you were in Jackass too before we get to
00:48:17
Police Academy.
00:48:18
>> Um all of them.
00:48:18
>> You were in all of them. Yeah.
00:48:20
>> And you do did you do Dane? Have you
00:48:21
seen when uh some kind of blown up suit?
00:48:24
>> Full pipe.
00:48:25
>> Yeah.
00:48:26
>> Did you do it? Did you do a full pipe in
00:48:27
a chicken suit or something?
00:48:29
>> I did. Yes. I was about to say it sounds
00:48:31
like
00:48:32
>> Well, I No, let me Johnny.
00:48:35
>> I did I did that for Jackass.
00:48:37
>> Yeah.
00:48:38
>> With Matt Hoffman.
00:48:39
>> The TV show.
00:48:40
>> The TV show. He and I wore a
00:48:42
>> Oh, he was a BMXer, right?
00:48:43
>> Yeah. And we did we did a loop uh in
00:48:45
Orlando. And then then after the loop,
00:48:47
we jumped into this lake.
00:48:48
>> Oh, that's fun. Yeah.
00:48:49
>> Um and then uh I was on Wild Boys and we
00:48:54
were skating in gorilla costumes
00:48:57
>> and then it's never easy. We were also
00:49:00
skating with an orangutang. So that was
00:49:01
the whole vibe. There was an orangutang
00:49:03
that skated and then Bob Burrus and I
00:49:05
dressed up in gorilla. Bob
00:49:06
>> did the orangutang think you were
00:49:08
gorillas or knew you were.
00:49:09
>> No, but it did not like if we got ahead
00:49:11
of him.
00:49:12
>> So learn very quickly. Very competitive.
00:49:14
>> He's in it to win it and worry you'll
00:49:16
stand behind cuz you don't want him
00:49:18
coming after you
00:49:20
>> in your We end up We end up skating.
00:49:22
>> They chew your face off. I heard.
00:49:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. We end up skating.
00:49:25
>> Side note. uh just to fill the the
00:49:28
content. And then we went and did Bob
00:49:31
had his own loop and we did Bob's loop
00:49:34
and Bob's loop was very slow and
00:49:35
weathered and I didn't take that into
00:49:37
consideration as I went down to it and
00:49:39
then I ended up paying the price.
00:49:41
>> Did you not get around the whole thing?
00:49:43
You're saying
00:49:43
>> I fell I fell from what happened was I
00:49:46
fell just around
00:49:48
uh 10:00 going up.
00:49:51
>> Mhm.
00:49:51
>> And that makes you go all the way to the
00:49:52
top and then fall. Um,
00:49:54
>> so I fell 16 ft. That's when I broke my
00:49:57
pelvis.
00:49:58
>> And were you in the orangutang suit at
00:50:00
that point or some other suit? Was the
00:50:01
orangutang suit
00:50:02
>> that was for Wild Boys.
00:50:04
>> Was it Was it padded?
00:50:05
>> Not worth it.
00:50:06
>> No, they that was extra. We don't got
00:50:07
any budget.
00:50:08
>> And I was wearing the mask so I wasn't
00:50:10
wearing my helmet. So I had a problem.
00:50:13
>> Uh, I got a concussion.
00:50:15
>> My skull. For people at home, you just
00:50:17
go straight down fast like Hot Wheels
00:50:19
and then you do a whole loop and you
00:50:21
lose all your momentum at the top and
00:50:22
you want to bail, I'm sure. But if you
00:50:24
just hang on, you're fully lightweight.
00:50:26
I'm sure you're full
00:50:27
>> um if you have the right amount of
00:50:28
speed, you you just hold steady and it
00:50:31
works
00:50:31
>> and it will stay on.
00:50:32
>> Yeah. But but the problem with Bobs is
00:50:34
that it was so weathered you couldn't
00:50:36
get that around amount of speed. I like
00:50:38
>> so I tried to compensate by using my
00:50:40
legs and if you use your legs then you
00:50:43
end up completely straight leg with
00:50:45
nowhere to go.
00:50:46
>> Have you ever studied geometry or or
00:50:49
physics? Cuz it sounds like you're
00:50:50
really you got to know speed. It's wind.
00:50:53
It's like
00:50:53
>> well the first time I ever did it I did
00:50:55
I did go I actually like did a Hot
00:50:58
Wheels and tried to measure that and do
00:51:01
the ratios of how that would work and it
00:51:03
worked the first time but this time it
00:51:05
didn't work. It seems like there's a lot
00:51:06
of thinking that goes into these tricks
00:51:09
that maybe not every porter has. Usually
00:51:11
it's just intuitive.
00:51:12
>> No, it's just try,
00:51:15
>> right?
00:51:15
>> I don't like they gave you a shitty
00:51:16
ramp.
00:51:16
>> If I get here, I'm going to fall there.
00:51:18
I got to get speed to get this velocity
00:51:19
in this angle. I don't know. Sounds
00:51:21
>> Yeah, it we're just kind of going off a
00:51:23
feeling. We didn't have foam pits or
00:51:26
training grounds,
00:51:27
>> right?
00:51:28
>> So, it's like David like he he tried air
00:51:30
axle stall and
00:51:31
>> came down hard and broke his wrist.
00:51:32
>> Yeah. When we, by the way, we we did
00:51:34
this movie in the old days. I I I was
00:51:36
trying to jump the simple thing of
00:51:37
stairs.
00:51:38
>> Just seeing if your wrist has a bump.
00:51:40
>> No, I actually I actually broke my wrist
00:51:42
again after that
00:51:43
>> skating.
00:51:44
>> Yeah. And my mom goes, "You shouldn't
00:51:46
skate anymore." I go, "Cuz it's too
00:51:47
dangerous." She goes, "No, you're
00:51:48
horrible at it.
00:51:50
>> We have to keep you in school. You keep
00:51:53
>> We're mortgaging the house."
00:51:55
It was It got too hard. It was too,
00:51:58
>> you know, I could do the Desert Pipes.
00:52:00
Uh we did those. I could do uh
00:52:02
>> you know, and just go to Vert and come.
00:52:04
I couldn't really do that one.
00:52:05
>> Those are those are famous.
00:52:06
>> Could you do a um what is it? The
00:52:08
pineapple reverse squat.
00:52:10
>> Do you remember that one?
00:52:11
>> The old dipsy doodle.
00:52:14
>> No, I could do front side grinders. I
00:52:16
can do stuff. But it gets scary, Dana.
00:52:18
And it was just when it gets too hard
00:52:20
what they were doing, it just it
00:52:21
separates.
00:52:21
>> I had a hard time looking at it. My kids
00:52:23
coming down steep hills. Yeah.
00:52:25
>> Didn't want to wear helmets, but put the
00:52:27
helmet on. Put the helmet on. Put And I
00:52:29
because of childhood trauma, I had to
00:52:31
look away. My wife could just watch him,
00:52:33
but I would just I would just look away.
00:52:35
Oh, they made it.
00:52:36
>> You know,
00:52:37
>> we had 23 ER visits between the two
00:52:39
sons.
00:52:40
>> Oh, wow.
00:52:41
>> Yep.
00:52:42
>> Yeah. I uh actually have the cell number
00:52:44
of the head of the ER. My down there by
00:52:47
you in your secret.
00:52:49
>> They have a special lane. Tony, he's
00:52:51
coming in on Tony Drive. Okay. Put
00:52:54
>> We have several children and they all
00:52:56
went through their share of injuries
00:52:57
because they all skate. So, that too.
00:52:59
>> And is Riley a pro? Riley, my oldest son
00:53:02
is pro. Yes.
00:53:02
>> Yeah. He's good. He's cool.
00:53:04
>> Oh, that's cool. So, do you think um
00:53:06
when you see him becoming that good, you
00:53:09
do you see yourself in him
00:53:10
intellectually or or
00:53:12
>> I see I see his determination and his
00:53:16
drive to keep trying to outdo himself.
00:53:19
Yeah.
00:53:19
>> Very much so. He he he's more of a
00:53:21
street skater, so that is not my
00:53:23
wheelhouse,
00:53:24
>> but I do see the same sort of motivation
00:53:27
that he has that I have.
00:53:28
>> It's kind of all successful people. It's
00:53:30
hard that he's that good because he's
00:53:32
got this guy as a dad and and it's hard
00:53:34
to be good anyway.
00:53:35
>> He kind of he kind of shied away from
00:53:37
skating when he started getting good
00:53:38
because of that.
00:53:39
>> That's weird. It's definitely weird.
00:53:41
>> But but came back to it because he had
00:53:43
so many close friends that were just
00:53:45
hardcore skaters
00:53:46
>> and kind of found his own path after
00:53:48
that.
00:53:48
>> Well, once you're making a living at
00:53:50
something that's a passion, it's kind of
00:53:52
a it's a very nice thing. So, he is
00:53:55
professional.
00:53:56
>> He is.
00:53:56
>> And I always wanted to make the same
00:53:58
amount of money I could as a waiter.
00:54:00
like maybe 1,500 a month, right? And
00:54:02
once I got to 600 a month, I was able to
00:54:04
put that apron.
00:54:07
>> I made 600.
00:54:08
>> We made 600 on this podcast.
00:54:10
>> Finish that sentence.
00:54:14
>> I'm telling you, two jokes.
00:54:15
>> No, life's been good. But um to your
00:54:18
point, and it's for everybody who who
00:54:22
excels at things, the passion has to
00:54:23
come first and and just wanting to get
00:54:26
better at it, you know, wanting to get
00:54:28
better. I I do see I I I have seen
00:54:30
skaters come and go because their
00:54:32
motivation is is fame and fortune and if
00:54:35
they get a taste of it then they don't
00:54:37
want to skate anymore or they don't want
00:54:38
to push themselves.
00:54:39
>> And also if that's your moniker it's
00:54:41
like Lauren Michaels one of his uh the
00:54:44
minute you're hot you feel yourself
00:54:46
getting less hot.
00:54:48
>> It's hard to stay.
00:54:48
>> So in other words if you're a fame [ __ ]
00:54:50
you're just like you know yeah I don't I
00:54:53
like to stay home. I don't want to go
00:54:54
anywhere. Dave's a man about town but
00:54:56
we're we we met. We're different. That's
00:54:58
why we we have a chemistry. But yeah,
00:55:01
I'd much rather watch Friday Night
00:55:02
Lights at home.
00:55:03
>> I have to extract Dana out to dinner
00:55:05
once a week every week or something.
00:55:07
>> I I feel you.
00:55:08
>> You know, he has dinner and mashed
00:55:10
potatoes waiting for him when he sits
00:55:12
down
00:55:13
>> and then he'll have a small cocktail.
00:55:16
>> I go, "Are you feeling anything with
00:55:18
that two pounds of little microb
00:55:22
whiskey at night?"
00:55:23
>> Dana, why aren't you asking him about
00:55:25
the movie you don't care about? It's
00:55:26
police academy 4. It's where we
00:55:28
>> Well, this is uh for listeners. No.
00:55:32
Well, this I have some questions after
00:55:33
this, but this is
00:55:35
>> the axis of connection between these
00:55:38
two. The movie Police Academy
00:55:40
>> four. The good
00:55:41
>> David's in it. Tony's in it. Go guys.
00:55:44
>> I I got hired just doing improv. I
00:55:47
wasn't a good actor. The way I locked
00:55:49
into that Tony is I went in. I was very
00:55:51
new. I was 21 and I just started doing
00:55:53
sets of the improv and there's casting
00:55:54
people peppered around. You just don't
00:55:56
know. And then when they called me in
00:55:58
and they said, "We got a script. Can you
00:56:00
come in and audition?" I didn't know
00:56:02
what I was doing. I would have literally
00:56:03
cuz my next audition I just read it off
00:56:04
the page.
00:56:05
>> Yeah.
00:56:06
>> They go, "We want you to read." I go,
00:56:07
"Oh, I can read." And then I just read
00:56:08
the script to them and they were like,
00:56:10
"You don't know what you're doing." And
00:56:11
I go, "Nope."
00:56:13
>> So the only reason I got that is because
00:56:15
they go, "Can you skate?" And I said,
00:56:16
"Yeah." Because I auditioned for
00:56:17
Northshore, a movie, and I said I could
00:56:19
surf and I could not. And
00:56:21
>> did they discover that?
00:56:22
>> Yeah, they discovered it. Well, I didn't
00:56:24
get it. So, I got down to meet and Matt
00:56:25
Adler, a buddy of mine, got it, and he
00:56:27
uh he could surf. So, it's by about a
00:56:29
guy from Arizona and I go, I have all
00:56:30
the components. I can't surf that good.
00:56:32
>> Uh so, I dodge a bullet without one.
00:56:34
>> Yeah, I would have [ __ ] drowned.
00:56:36
>> Surfing.
00:56:36
>> No, no, but I'm just saying that is that
00:56:37
is the one of the most quoted
00:56:41
ridiculous surf movies.
00:56:42
>> Oh, yeah. It was kind of goop. Was kind
00:56:44
of goofpy. Is that what you're saying?
00:56:45
>> Yeah. from Arizona.
00:56:47
>> There's some there's some oneliners in
00:56:48
there that endure that live on because
00:56:51
this is called uh Northshore was
00:56:53
>> Northshore. Yeah. And who was in it?
00:56:55
>> Matt Adler is a buddy of mine that
00:56:56
>> Okay. Uh
00:56:57
>> Lar
00:56:59
Oh, he does.
00:57:00
>> Hamilton is the guy that pulls his
00:57:01
leash. He would have drowned.
00:57:02
>> Oh, Lar Hamilton.
00:57:03
>> Yeah. He's a trip.
00:57:04
>> He's the bad guy.
00:57:04
>> If he knew I was not good. So anyway, so
00:57:07
I audition for Police Academy, but when
00:57:08
I get there, they go,
00:57:10
>> "We're getting a new script in. It's not
00:57:12
here yet." And I go, "Oh." And they go,
00:57:13
>> "Shit, you're here. Do you want to just
00:57:16
>> Oh, perfect.
00:57:16
>> Do you want to just add lib stuff? Well,
00:57:18
you're just a smartass kid. And the
00:57:20
lines are so stiff. Anyway, I would have
00:57:21
bombed. So, I just started making up
00:57:23
stuff.
00:57:23
>> That's good.
00:57:23
>> And it was so lucky because they go,
00:57:25
"Oh, he's not bad." Cuz I was just free
00:57:28
forming, right?
00:57:28
>> That's so much.
00:57:29
>> So, I get hired. I go there. I'm making
00:57:31
so much [ __ ] money.
00:57:33
>> I think I was making $2500 a week.
00:57:36
That's a movie. I was in a movie in
00:57:37
Toronto. And they go, "You're part of a
00:57:39
little skate gang of misfits." And they
00:57:41
go, "Oh, we're going to get And of
00:57:42
course, I knew the Bones Brigade. I knew
00:57:44
everything from Arizona. And then they
00:57:45
go
00:57:46
>> this guy Tony Hawk, I think it was
00:57:48
Guerrero and Cavalero and Mike McIll and
00:57:50
Lance Lance Mountain.
00:57:51
>> Y
00:57:52
>> and so they all came out and I was so
00:57:54
excited because they were rock.
00:57:55
>> Do you remember your first impressions
00:57:56
of David Spade?
00:57:59
>> Um I thought it was super funny.
00:58:01
>> Yeah. So you it was one of those things
00:58:03
where I got where you go, oh you're
00:58:04
you're really funny. You should be a
00:58:06
comedian. That was lucky because you
00:58:08
know Tony, the one problem we had was
00:58:10
Tony was taller than me and he was uh
00:58:12
Were you goofy or regular foot?
00:58:13
>> I'm goofy footed. And so we had Chris
00:58:16
Miller.
00:58:17
>> Well, no. C can I interject?
00:58:18
>> Yeah. Go ahead.
00:58:19
>> So,
00:58:20
>> yes.
00:58:21
>> So, we all read for this that part.
00:58:23
>> Oh, is that right?
00:58:24
>> We all read for the part. Oh, that's
00:58:25
right. Okay.
00:58:26
>> Or or that you and the who's the guy
00:58:28
from Fast Times? Backer. So, we all read
00:58:30
for those parts as the Bones Brigade.
00:58:32
And they're like, "Yeah, you guys are
00:58:33
not actors, but you know, we'll we'll
00:58:35
consider you in the gang or whatever."
00:58:37
And then they
00:58:38
>> I didn't know that
00:58:38
>> they singled out when they hired you
00:58:41
guys, they singed out Lance and me as
00:58:43
the doubles.
00:58:43
>> Yeah.
00:58:44
>> I went through a go gross spurt
00:58:46
>> from the time we tried out to the time
00:58:48
we got there.
00:58:49
>> Really?
00:58:50
>> And so for the first week, they were
00:58:52
like, I think that guy's too tall. And I
00:58:55
remember the director saying like, you
00:58:56
know, he's a pretty good skater, but
00:58:57
he's a bad stunt double. And so then
00:59:00
Stacy kept telling me like stay low.
00:59:02
>> Oh, crouch.
00:59:03
>> Stay low. Oh, Stacy Pearl. Yeah. And I
00:59:06
go I I I don't know. I I was trying. I
00:59:08
was trying. And then And then they just
00:59:09
quietly sent me home.
00:59:11
>> Basically, I got fired.
00:59:12
>> Oh.
00:59:13
>> And then they sent in Chris Miller,
00:59:15
>> who looks like you and is is the same
00:59:19
stance as Well, you're you're
00:59:20
>> I'm goofy, but he was closer. It was a
00:59:23
tough decision because you're goofy and
00:59:25
he's right there. Sorry. What does goofy
00:59:27
foot mean?
00:59:27
>> I'm goofy. Oh, that means
00:59:29
>> he stands he stands with his right foot
00:59:30
forward. So do I.
00:59:31
>> And that's called goofy. Yeah. And left
00:59:33
foot is called
00:59:34
>> regular. Regular. Okay.
00:59:35
>> And so when I got hired, if you remember
00:59:37
that was that was part of the thing. It
00:59:38
was like, "Oh, you're goofy footed, too.
00:59:40
That's what David is." So I went, "So
00:59:42
and and long story short, they sent in
00:59:44
Chris Miller, who looks more like him,
00:59:45
but is regular footed."
00:59:46
>> Okay.
00:59:47
>> So in the in the skate sequence, his
00:59:50
stance keeps changing.
00:59:51
>> It's so crazy. Wow. I'm going to watch
00:59:53
this unprofessional, by the way. But you
00:59:55
had a legit skate park like going
00:59:58
through the mall.
00:59:58
>> I could skate. I could skate and then
01:00:00
when I go one time I go uh Brian Ber
01:00:02
could not skate. He was the
01:00:05
>> He was very much against it.
01:00:08
>> Yeah.
01:00:08
>> To the point where he's making us very
01:00:09
uncomfortable
01:00:10
>> as part of the movie or
01:00:12
>> he just didn't want to even pretend and
01:00:15
they needed establishing shots of him
01:00:17
skating. Okay.
01:00:18
>> Even if they had to pull him on
01:00:19
something to just stand he didn't want
01:00:20
to be.
01:00:20
>> Yeah. But at one point they did try to
01:00:22
get him on a skateboard and he was very
01:00:23
upset about it and he was kind of
01:00:24
complaining to us and we're like we just
01:00:25
work here.
01:00:26
>> Yeah.
01:00:27
>> But we can help you like
01:00:29
>> Stacy Peralta was a great skater and a
01:00:32
great director and one of his bosses cuz
01:00:33
he's from Palalta Bones were great all
01:00:36
>> Yeah. I mean he's the one who put us
01:00:37
together and he was the one who got us
01:00:39
the audition
01:00:40
>> and he did second job.
01:00:41
>> Yeah.
01:00:42
>> He so he directed us in a lot of those
01:00:44
skate scenes if not all of them. And one
01:00:46
time I go Stacy he goes you can skate a
01:00:48
little bit right. I go yeah. I go,
01:00:49
"Listen, on this one, I read a pink bone
01:00:51
shirt, didn't I?" Yeah. And I go, "Uh,
01:00:53
we're just we're just rolling through
01:00:54
the city at night." So, I go and they
01:00:57
go, "You go over these steps." And I go,
01:00:58
"What is it? Five steps?" I go, "I can
01:00:59
do that." And he goes, "Okay."
01:01:00
>> So, I could do five steps
01:01:03
>> seven out of 10 times. So, but when the
01:01:06
pressure So, they're all behind me. I
01:01:08
don't know if you remember this. Anyway,
01:01:10
I'm in front. Woohoo. Making noises. We
01:01:12
loop later. And then we go in and I do
01:01:14
the first steps and I [ __ ] wipe out.
01:01:16
And then everyone has to wipe out on top
01:01:18
of me because they're all like two feet
01:01:19
behind me.
01:01:20
>> Oh yeah. There was no
01:01:21
>> was the camera rolling
01:01:23
like I'm like
01:01:26
>> And they use that.
01:01:27
>> No, I think they just go Tony just do
01:01:30
it.
01:01:30
>> And then you
01:01:31
>> we need to get one right as a stunt
01:01:33
double.
01:01:34
>> Yeah. A stunt double.
01:01:34
>> Five five steps. Was it nothing for you
01:01:37
that
01:01:37
>> uh not nothing but it was
01:01:39
>> Yeah. Doable.
01:01:40
>> It seemed to be a lot for
01:01:42
>> very difficult for them.
01:01:43
>> Yeah. But what we learned in in that
01:01:45
shoot is we learned about stunt bumps.
01:01:48
>> Mhm.
01:01:48
>> And we didn't know anything about that.
01:01:50
So if we pretended like something was
01:01:52
really hard, they give us extra money.
01:01:54
>> Oh,
01:01:54
>> you did jump a police. You're talking
01:01:56
about two stairs. Are you nuts, boy?
01:01:59
I've got a fee for that one. Yeah, I got
01:02:01
you.
01:02:01
>> There was one. It was the um when we
01:02:03
jumped the fountain.
01:02:04
>> Okay.
01:02:04
>> I don't think you were there for that
01:02:05
one, but we we jumped the fountain. They
01:02:07
set up this big ramp and and it just was
01:02:09
so janky the whole thing. And and it was
01:02:11
the landing zone was terrible and we
01:02:13
were just sitting there sweating it and
01:02:14
they're like, "We'll give you each $500
01:02:16
bucks to do this." We're like, "What?"
01:02:18
>> Oh yes.
01:02:19
>> Oh.
01:02:19
>> Oh. The ramp got a lot every time.
01:02:23
>> Back. Let's keep going. And that's when
01:02:25
we learned that we
01:02:26
>> interesting. Yeah. Stunt doubles. I've
01:02:28
been next to guys that were about to
01:02:30
take a car hit on my behalf talking to
01:02:32
them. How you doing? Pretty good.
01:02:34
>> And they never they never say they won't
01:02:36
go again because they get another
01:02:38
>> I guess they get more money.
01:02:39
>> Junk. Yeah.
01:02:39
>> Yeah. So every take they do it, they get
01:02:41
a bump.
01:02:42
>> Right. Right. Yeah.
01:02:43
>> There's only one time I had a stunt man
01:02:45
tap out and I took over.
01:02:47
>> You took over? What was it?
01:02:49
>> Weird. Well, it was going inside this
01:02:51
big vat of goo. Big wooden thing. And
01:02:54
Anthony Hopkins was the dad. He was
01:02:56
there. It's supposed to go under it and
01:02:59
then it's the goo fills everything
01:03:02
>> and I guess a little claustrophobia. The
01:03:04
guy was a great stunt man but just got
01:03:06
him shook up. So I did it.
01:03:09
You did it.
01:03:10
>> Yeah. I got underneath the thing. I go,
01:03:12
"Well, [ __ ] I'm a little guy. I can't
01:03:13
skate. I can't do anything, but I'll
01:03:15
stay on this [ __ ] goo." I come up
01:03:18
from the goo and there's Anthony Hopkins
01:03:19
or Tony as I call him or Hoppy. We were
01:03:22
close. Anyway, he gave me He's playing
01:03:24
my dad. So, anyway, um I have questions.
01:03:28
>> Yeah, give him the questions.
01:03:28
>> I I just We do this sometimes for fun.
01:03:31
Let's see what I got here.
01:03:37
I I do want to say though to end that I
01:03:40
get asked about that all the time.
01:03:42
>> I do too. All the time. Oh, he's got me
01:03:43
for
01:03:43
>> Please count me for is kind of one of
01:03:46
those comedies of the 80s. Everybody
01:03:47
knows
01:03:48
>> from then on we stayed friends. He would
01:03:49
always give me a board. He would always
01:03:51
if I asked for some uh we went and
01:03:53
skated Miguel's ramp once, which I was
01:03:55
not good at.
01:03:56
>> And uh I'm so brittle that I can't
01:03:58
believe you still will will risk falling
01:04:00
because every time I fall, it really
01:04:01
rocks me. Um, I I think I I got
01:04:04
accustomed to the slight pains of
01:04:07
skating, but now as I grow older, things
01:04:09
have linger more.
01:04:11
>> But I do find that if I stay active,
01:04:13
it's easier
01:04:14
>> because when I did, but Dana, when I did
01:04:16
that thing with Tiger, I was comparing
01:04:17
them because they're both like the
01:04:18
number one in their field.
01:04:20
>> Tiger is so driven. So, we played golf
01:04:22
that night and he was
01:04:24
>> visibly hurt from his back operations.
01:04:26
He wasn't He's super cool. He's great.
01:04:28
He's reading putts. He was having fun,
01:04:30
but I could tell he's in pain. I even
01:04:32
asked him, "Would you do you think he'll
01:04:33
ever play golf again?" Because he had
01:04:34
just got an operation. And I thought,
01:04:35
"Maybe this is it." Why? I asked him, "I
01:04:37
don't know." That that night, next
01:04:39
morning, he gets in the car wreck,
01:04:40
right? So, he crushes his feet,
01:04:42
everything. He may never play again. And
01:04:45
he starts to swing and and within a
01:04:47
year,
01:04:48
>> he he was better than me within minutes.
01:04:50
I go, there was a while there where I
01:04:52
was better than him because he couldn't
01:04:53
pick up a comb. And then he goes, "I can
01:04:55
kind of I'm better than you." And I'm
01:04:56
like, "Well, how is it that I thought it
01:04:59
would take years?"
01:05:00
>> Yeah. and and he's so good at it that
01:05:02
once he can just stand up on two feet,
01:05:04
he's like
01:05:04
>> he's playing on one leg now and he was
01:05:06
also made the cut and was doing bad
01:05:10
stuff like a week ago.
01:05:11
>> It's infuriating. Go ahead.
01:05:12
>> You know,
01:05:13
>> um have you ever been like upside down
01:05:15
on your skateboard and had the thought
01:05:17
in your head like this can't be good
01:05:21
or this isn't going to end well.
01:05:23
>> The the first time I tried 900 Yes.
01:05:25
>> in your brain it went this isn't going
01:05:26
to end well. I was like I don't know
01:05:28
where I am. When is when am I going to
01:05:29
hit the wall? Oh, there it is.
01:05:32
>> Did you ever been upside down your
01:05:34
skateboard and thought, "Why did I ever
01:05:36
really did I ever really like this?
01:05:45
>> I think the the when I first came back
01:05:47
to the ramp after breaking my leg, there
01:05:49
was a the moment of that."
01:05:51
>> You ever been upside down
01:05:54
>> when the thought popped in your head?
01:05:55
David Spay was really funny and please
01:05:57
scan me for it. [ __ ] he said almost
01:05:59
every day. Have you ever been upside
01:06:00
down in your skateboard and gone, "My IQ
01:06:03
is 144. What the [ __ ] am I doing ramming
01:06:06
my thighs?"
01:06:07
>> I had a BMX guy who was who was pro for
01:06:10
a while, Chris Duncan say that to me
01:06:12
that he was upside down once and he
01:06:14
said, "This can't end well." Like he
01:06:16
just knew he was out of sorts.
01:06:18
>> Yeah. And and also you you just
01:06:20
anticipate that hit where you're like,
01:06:22
I'm not I know that I can't prepare for
01:06:24
it this time, so when is it coming? And
01:06:26
please make it soon.
01:06:28
>> Do have you ever gotten kind of at an
01:06:30
endorphin high like distance runners do
01:06:33
from skateboarding? Like a real buzz.
01:06:35
>> Oh yeah. All the time.
01:06:36
>> When you land something great, you're
01:06:37
just like
01:06:38
>> anything that I land new to me.
01:06:41
>> Okay.
01:06:42
>> New jokes for us. No joke. It's like if
01:06:43
you do a new joke at this stage of the
01:06:45
game,
01:06:46
>> no joke. New joke.
01:06:50
Have you ever been on your skateboard
01:06:52
going fast, had somebody else push a
01:06:54
skateboard 5t away next to you and tried
01:06:56
to jump on that skateboard?
01:06:58
>> Yeah. Uh, yeah. That's not as amazing as
01:07:00
you would think.
01:07:01
>> Oh, wow. I thought you were going to go,
01:07:02
"No one could do that."
01:07:04
>> Jeez,
01:07:04
>> Dana, I saw a guy on Instagram the other
01:07:06
day. He hits like a bump. There's a
01:07:08
skateboard on the other side. He does a
01:07:09
flip in the air.
01:07:09
>> I've seen that.
01:07:10
>> That's pretty
01:07:11
>> Yeah, that's pretty wild.
01:07:12
>> There's so many ways I can go wrong.
01:07:13
Okay, go.
01:07:14
>> Has anyone ever used the pun to you?
01:07:16
You're just skating by. Has anyone ever
01:07:18
said that to you? You're skating through
01:07:19
life.
01:07:20
>> Hey, Tony. Skating. Skating by. Huh?
01:07:23
>> Okay. I just curious.
01:07:24
>> Skating by.
01:07:25
>> What makes a prodigy?
01:07:27
>> Uh,
01:07:28
>> I guess it's determination.
01:07:30
>> I think I think a lot of determination.
01:07:32
Discipline.
01:07:34
>> Um, and it's just I you know it when you
01:07:38
see it.
01:07:39
>> Mosart, right? John Benet. Yeah. All the
01:07:42
big ones.
01:07:42
>> Um, the biggest mistake beginning
01:07:46
skateboarders make, Tony Hawk.
01:07:49
The biggest mistake beginner
01:07:50
skateboarders make um
01:07:53
>> getting ahead of themselves skill-wise
01:07:55
where they think that because they can
01:07:57
ride a skateboard that suddenly they can
01:07:58
do some big stunt, a big set of stairs,
01:08:01
a big handrail
01:08:03
>> and they do not have all the required
01:08:06
elements to that and it goes horribly.
01:08:10
>> It looks easy on Instagram. D
01:08:12
>> when you see someone make a trick, you
01:08:14
don't realize they fell 30 times.
01:08:16
>> Fill in the blank. Tony Hawk is
01:08:19
You don't have to answer the
01:08:22
uh a skateboarder, uh a husband, a
01:08:25
father,
01:08:26
and a philanthropist.
01:08:28
>> Okay. David Spade is
01:08:31
>> He could say all those same ones. Funny
01:08:34
skateboard. Funny skateboard.
01:08:35
>> Funny skateboard. Not so good at
01:08:37
skateboard, but incredibly funny.
01:08:39
>> No. No.
01:08:41
>> Um anything.
01:08:43
>> Let's see. Do you think evil conval
01:08:46
could have made some noise in the
01:08:47
skateboarding world?
01:08:48
>> Noise.
01:08:49
>> Uh,
01:08:51
I heard inspiration to me, so by proxy.
01:08:54
Yes.
01:08:55
>> So you'd watch him on TV going over cars
01:08:57
with his car?
01:08:58
>> I had the I had the wind up
01:09:01
>> SSP. Yeah.
01:09:04
>> Which one? Oh, okay. I know you've
01:09:07
landed the 900. And I'm just throwing
01:09:09
this out. It's going on record. This is
01:09:10
going out all over the world. 1,200.
01:09:14
>> Uh Mishi Brusco, uh a current pro
01:09:17
skater, has done a 1260.
01:09:20
>> Was he young?
01:09:21
>> Is he really young?
01:09:22
>> Uh Tom Sh, you're thinking of Tom Shaw.
01:09:24
He did Tom Shaw did the first 1080. He
01:09:25
was very young.
01:09:26
>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
01:09:27
>> Uh this is on a bigger ramp, so more air
01:09:29
time. People somehow think that's
01:09:31
easier. I don't think that's easier.
01:09:33
>> Asterisk,
01:09:34
>> but uh No, it's hard.
01:09:36
>> Brisco did a 1260, so he did three and a
01:09:38
half.
01:09:39
>> God dang. Uh, I can't put that in my
01:09:41
head. I hardly It's amazing. The humans
01:09:44
just want to keep
01:09:45
>> It's amaz If you look that up, find the
01:09:48
clip. It's worth watching
01:09:49
>> because in track and field in sprints,
01:09:51
it's like a hundth of a second.
01:09:52
>> WORLD RECORD BY 0.001.
01:09:55
IT'S NO, THIS is a full spin.
01:09:58
>> That That is extraordinary. What uh
01:10:00
these these were just random ones like
01:10:02
fear? Where does fear come into it and
01:10:04
how do you deal with it right before you
01:10:06
go on off? want to be in an attack mode
01:10:09
or
01:10:10
>> uh I treat fear in more that I feel
01:10:14
confident that I have the skills to do
01:10:16
this
01:10:16
>> the preparation
01:10:17
>> hope this works
01:10:19
>> hope I can land it
01:10:20
>> yeah like I don't know what's going to
01:10:22
happen it's more like I have all the
01:10:23
pieces to this let's put them together
01:10:25
and and I approach it with more
01:10:27
confidence than
01:10:28
>> than fear yeah
01:10:30
>> have you ever done a rope swing into a
01:10:32
lake and you were the kid who would do
01:10:34
like all kinds of triple somersaults I
01:10:36
would No, but when I was little, I would
01:10:38
go off the high dive.
01:10:39
>> Oh.
01:10:40
>> Did you have vertigo at all? Did you
01:10:41
look down and go?
01:10:43
>> Um,
01:10:44
yeah, but I I think I just knowing that
01:10:46
other people have done it gave me some
01:10:48
>> Seems like you would have been a good
01:10:49
high school diver probably with this
01:10:51
sort of
01:10:51
>> I don't think I'd be that accurate.
01:10:54
>> You know what I mean? Like I'm down to
01:10:55
do flips, but I don't want to pencil in
01:10:58
and
01:10:58
>> you hit the water, but maybe I'm down,
01:11:01
you know, I'm going to make it look like
01:11:02
a hyena.
01:11:04
Uh, I just asked people this anyway. Did
01:11:06
you as a kid movie or television show
01:11:09
blow your mind and make make you happy?
01:11:12
>> Um,
01:11:14
shoot.
01:11:15
>> For Ben Stiller, it was the Poseidon
01:11:17
Adventure. I always get that example.
01:11:19
>> For me, it was Jason the Organ.
01:11:22
>> Oh, for a for a TV show? Um,
01:11:24
>> or those were movies.
01:11:25
>> Mine is probably Animal House.
01:11:26
>> TV show would have been Little House in
01:11:28
the Prairie. That's Dave's favorite.
01:11:29
>> I love that one. I did like it. I like I
01:11:31
had a thing for
01:11:32
>> a huge Michael Landon fan. Has this
01:11:34
>> Once Mary got blind, I realized she
01:11:35
couldn't realize I'm a six. So,
01:11:37
>> yeah,
01:11:38
>> that's a good question. I
01:11:39
>> That's all right. You can pass. You can
01:11:41
just
01:11:41
>> I think I I really I enjoyed Greatest
01:11:44
American Hero
01:11:46
>> the movie was kind of Okay, so more
01:11:49
>> like a regular dude that had superhero
01:11:52
qualities and
01:11:53
>> that was funny and he would run into the
01:11:54
walls and stuff like that. Okay, that
01:11:56
makes sense.
01:11:56
>> My favorite movie in the back in the day
01:11:58
was Fast Times. Fast times a bridge.
01:12:00
>> Yeah, because it summed up high school.
01:12:02
>> Well, that says it all. That's perfect.
01:12:03
You were right at the age to hit that.
01:12:05
Yeah.
01:12:05
>> And Sean Penn. That was great.
01:12:08
>> Yeah.
01:12:09
>> Tasty waves. Yeah. That that was that
01:12:11
was a big comedy.
01:12:12
>> I got to actually clarify a a line from
01:12:15
Fast Times with Sean Pence. That was a
01:12:17
big deal.
01:12:17
>> You did? Well,
01:12:18
>> it's coming of age.
01:12:19
>> What was it?
01:12:20
>> Uh people think he says, "All I need are
01:12:24
>> tasty
01:12:25
>> is a cool buzz and tasty waves." He
01:12:27
said, "Cool buds." Yes. Yeah. And that's
01:12:29
how I heard it.
01:12:31
>> I got to clarify with him and that that
01:12:32
>> he thought he said Buzz.
01:12:34
>> No, he said Buds. People think people
01:12:36
think he says Buzz. They don't know what
01:12:37
Buds mean. I remember that line and it
01:12:39
was buds.
01:12:40
>> Yeah.
01:12:41
>> Well, Tony Tony, thank you for talking
01:12:43
about SNL for an hour with us.
01:12:45
>> Well, no, that's part B. We'll talk
01:12:48
Tony's audition for SNL. He skates on to
01:12:51
88. It's launch like what do you have?
01:12:54
It's called skateboarder. Dude, I I got
01:12:56
to say it. It was a dream come true
01:12:59
>> and it only happened recently and I was
01:13:02
so thankful.
01:13:03
>> And you came out and did a cameo. What
01:13:06
did you do?
01:13:06
>> So I was I was here in LA doing p doing
01:13:10
our podcast Hawk versus Wolf.
01:13:11
>> Hawk versus Hawk versus Wolf Wolf.
01:13:14
Wherever you can find podcast. And it's
01:13:16
also on YouTube.
01:13:16
>> Yeah.
01:13:17
>> Yes.
01:13:17
>> Hawk versus Wolf. And so I was I was
01:13:19
staying here doing this for a couple
01:13:21
days in the studio in Santa Monica.
01:13:23
>> Driving back to my hotel. It's like 6
01:13:25
p.m. and I get a call and they said,
01:13:27
"Hey, can you make it to New York by
01:13:30
tomorrow night?" Uh they wrote you into
01:13:32
a skit on SNL. It's Thursday. And I'm
01:13:35
[ __ ] yeah.
01:13:36
>> Yes, I can do that. That's for sure.
01:13:39
>> Went stayed there. Went went did my
01:13:42
podcast with with uh Seth Rogan and went
01:13:44
straight to LAX.
01:13:46
>> I live in San Diego. I I'm not even
01:13:48
prepared to travel at all.
01:13:49
>> Right. You just
01:13:50
>> and went there, bought a jacket upon
01:13:53
landing and uh they had written me into
01:13:56
a script. Literally all I was going to
01:13:58
do was say my name.
01:14:00
>> Not scared at all.
01:14:02
>> You can handle that.
01:14:03
>> Sure. Whatever it takes. It was it was a
01:14:05
skit about the you know that whole thing
01:14:07
went viral with THE MISS UNIVERSE
01:14:08
FRANCE.
01:14:09
>> YEAH.
01:14:10
>> OH, you were in that? Yeah. That's
01:14:11
right. I was going to be one of the
01:14:13
judges of that pageant with the Property
01:14:15
Brothers. And when it came to me to ask
01:14:18
who won, I just say my name. And
01:14:21
honestly, when I saw the script, I
01:14:23
thought, "This is this is it. I'm flying
01:14:25
out here.
01:14:25
>> This is a long way to
01:14:26
>> But also like this is my big break to
01:14:28
SNL."
01:14:29
>> Yeah.
01:14:30
>> Is that I get to And then they loved it
01:14:32
in the rehearsal so much they added a
01:14:34
line for me.
01:14:35
>> Yeah.
01:14:36
>> Um we're writing a line for you, Tony.
01:14:38
It'll be on the cards. Did you say
01:14:41
Lauren? So, do I have the it quality?
01:14:43
Should I stay and be a cast?
01:14:45
>> I did get to at the afterparty. I got to
01:14:48
actually sit with him for a few minutes.
01:14:50
>> He's quite a quite a character.
01:14:53
>> He just says really interesting stuff.
01:14:55
>> Tonyy's like, I know who you are.
01:14:57
>> Ah, yeah.
01:14:58
>> He would be that he would be very very
01:15:01
Yeah, I I know success when I see it.
01:15:04
>> David Dana didn't know how to monetize,
01:15:07
but Tony did.
01:15:11
Well, thank you, Tony. Tony Tony, um,
01:15:14
uh, just to sum up, yeah, your podcast
01:15:16
is great.
01:15:17
>> Thank you.
01:15:18
>> And, um, all your business endeavors.
01:15:20
And I think this will be an inspiring
01:15:22
episode. And it doesn't matter what your
01:15:24
passion is, you just have to apply
01:15:26
yourself and focus. I always say to
01:15:28
people, look at your feet. Don't look at
01:15:31
the fame, the money. Just look at your
01:15:32
feet. Literally with skaters. Yeah.
01:15:34
>> But just like, am I better today than I
01:15:37
was yesterday? and what can I do to get
01:15:39
better no matter what you're trying to
01:15:41
do. That's what I take away. David, your
01:15:43
takeaway is
01:15:43
>> same thing.
01:15:45
>> Yeah. What he said.
01:15:47
>> All right, Tony. Talking to Tony. It's
01:15:48
good. He's a philanthropist. Does skatep
01:15:50
park uh builds them and
01:15:52
>> foundation giving money called the
01:15:54
skatepark project. Oh, that's right.
01:15:57
>> Safe skatep parks that
01:15:59
>> we help uh parks in underserved areas.
01:16:02
>> Yes. Yes. That's great.
01:16:03
>> Going for 20 years now.
01:16:05
>> Wow. So you're
01:16:06
>> they give skate parks that sick you make
01:16:08
them better. I don't understand how it
01:16:09
works.
01:16:10
>> All right.
01:16:12
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