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Okay, the Hawk. Tony Hawk. >> The Hawk. Meister. >> Tony Hawk is back. We had to bring him
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back because uh he's the coolest. >> We had a good time with good old Tony
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Hawk. Uh I met this young man who's It's always fun to know someone who's the
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best at something. >> He came in the studio. Um >> we met when I was 20
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or 21 on Police Academy 4. The good one. >> Yeah, that's right. your skateboarding
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debut in emotion. >> I knew about him from skateboard magazines and all this stuff. Uh, and
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getting to meet him right off the pages of the magazines and he had Mike McIll and Lance Mountain, all these great
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skaters with him and we would what a great time. So anyway, we did that and we talked about that and also just
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talking about what it's like to be the best skater in the world. I mean, a lot
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comes with it. He's very rich, which I like. um has his own board. >> Well, he he breaks down moment to moment
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for what was it? Five flips or something in this and you you'll enjoy hearing
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that. I mean, obviously what he's doing is very brave, >> but he's a he's kind of he's an affable
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agreeable personality. He's not like a like a tough guy. He just sort of talks
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it through and uh it's really fun. >> No ego telling us like doing a 1080.
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What's it like? >> You're going up and spinning and where's the ramp? Where are you in the world?
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Where what's going through your head? >> Yeah. You're upside down. Your head is
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an inch from concrete. What are you thinking at that moment? >> Uh very I, you know, listen, I like
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Tony. I've known him a long time and he's done a lot and he has a lot to say
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and he has Tony Hawk video games. Just a lot going on >> and he has an incredibly cool
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>> very chill dude. Here he is. Tony Hawk. >> Yeah. I think for for actresses I don't think
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it's fair that every article they're like Mimi Rogers 67. They always put
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their name and then their age and I do not do that with men. >> They do it for men too but I think it's
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mostly women and uh that's when I notice it and I go why does that matter and
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that should be eradicated because it doesn't matter. You could look it up if
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you want to know right. >> I think they'll eradicate it if we look up anything at this point. I mean, I
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can't believe they're still doing that when they don't do anything else. It's
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like that one seems a little more obscure. >> Let's put a Let's put a billboard and
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say stop putting the ages of women started. I got a lot of time in life, >> especially in the actress world, like if
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you're thinking of hiring someone that just in the back of your head, you go,
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"Oh, that's the right age." Or, "Oh, no, that feel," you know, whatever. It just
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it's it sends a weird message immediately and it doesn't need to be an article. And I know anyway, thanks for
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coming by, Tony. Take it easy. >> Thank you. You could you're free to look
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up my age. Tony who turns 27. >> Uh he's uh you know I I the age thing
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one is always gives a sense of humor about it. And I have a dermatologist who's I think he's like 85. I said how
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old are you? I'm 106. That's a standard answer. >> That's a good way to say it. Just to say
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it's high. >> He's a guy who checked my skin and every and he had a woman with a clipboard and
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he kept going age related. He's got a microscope. I do like age related. I do
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you have to say age related? Can I have something age related? >> Dude, I went I've done that on this
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podcast before. >> D and I went to catch one night. Tony, we're we might not get to you, but
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>> I'm just going to tell I I I listen to the show anyway. So, I'm just here fast.
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>> You know how it works. You know, it's going to come to you. >> We have so many questions for you. It's
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going there's going to be a two-parter. >> So, I go to this uh high-end restaurant,
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Koi, and um Koi, which is basically sponsored by us. I saw you at Koi back in the day.
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>> Yeah. >> They moved it. People were like hovering with paparazzia. That's where he got
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>> place. Then catch took him. >> Uh so this guy was there and he goes,
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"Hey, uh this is my buddy. He's a plastic surgeon. He works in town." And
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and he's already looking at me and I was of course a little buzzed naturally cuz
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it was night time. So I had a little loud mouth. You're like a >> I go
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I get that little humming. >> So So I I get on there and I go and I'm just standing at the table. So I go the
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worst question. What would you do to me? And he like slowly looks at me like Robocop. I go, "No, no, no." And he
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goes, >> "Well," and I go, "No." And he goes, "Listen,
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here's a lot of >> If you want just the top nine things that are like no-brainers, like these
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are things that are not even tuck." >> No, Dana, I'm not going to say because I
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want to go, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> because uh we would disagree." >> Oh, no.
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>> No, you can't. You have to just you have to roll with it. >> You just get nice work. Good work.
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That's the key. Good work. So people just don't know you got work. Well,
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Tony, let's get let's get >> I'm looking at you, Tony. >> Tony and I are about When is that
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happening? We're about the same age. >> Can you Do you have that guy's number?
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No. This guy, honestly, he was like, "Listen, I'll do it on the house by noon tomorrow."
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>> Cutters what like to cut. I'll tell you that. >> Face guys don't go, "Oh, you don't need
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anything." They go, "We can get in there, dig around a little bit. This is
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all natural. I've been here since Eisenhower's first administration. I won't give my age, but I'll just say I
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was on this earth with these hands and these feet since the mid50s >> voting for Calvin Kulage.
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>> Look how good I look now. >> Tony, let's talk about there's so many
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place to ask, but >> I want to know just cuz I was talking about Vicodin and how I only get plastic
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surgery for Vicodin. >> I don't need it. I don't need this. >> I had crazy surgery. I took a Vikin and
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hated it. I liked the Advil much better. the minority. >> Hey Advil, if you're listening.
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>> I know. I like when the doctor goes, "So you broke your leg. You want to really
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pump the Advil?" I go, "The what?" >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] funny you say that cuz I broke
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my leg in March. A year ago tomorrow. >> Yeah. This is actually a good story.
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>> Did you get Where's the celebration? >> No. No. Can I get details on that?
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>> No, this is a good story because I know what I did. I was laying there on my
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ramp with my leg. >> Was it the femur or the femur? Yeah. What was the trick? Mc
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>> twist. It's always a McTist. Wait a minute. Were Were you by yourself?
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>> I was not. But my friend, >> my good friend Kevin came over about
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five minutes later with two Advil. >> Two Advil. >> Jesus Christ. >> I'll never forget that.
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>> Well, that >> All right. Thanks. >> I might do an opioid at that point, you
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know. But so was it was it particularly scary? It seems like a lot of times people get hurt when it's like
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peruncter, but they're just not as zoned in as much. >> Dude, your [ __ ] thigh. It was a trick
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that I have done tens of thousands of times >> and I uh didn't have enough speed going
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into it and I knew that full well, but I was always able to figure that out, adjust for the air. And
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>> I guess at age 54, that's the time when you can no longer adjust for it so
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easily. >> And next thing I know, I'm just sliding through the flat part of my ramp with my
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leg. I could feel it just dangling. And I looked up at another friend of mine. I
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go, I broke my leg. And he's like, what? And then I grabbed it and I put it back
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in place >> instinctually. >> I can't believe what I'm hearing.
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>> But but then in that moment I knew like, "Oh, I'm so fucked."
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>> Like I can't I can't move. I can't do anything. I want to rewind this whole
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moment in time. But >> did you hear it as well >> or did it pop? >> It was all very chaotic
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>> the fall. So I'm really sure how it happened, but I don't remember hearing
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it pop. I just felt it disconnect. >> And what what did they do with that? Do
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you have a metal rod down your >> I do? Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. How much did that cost?
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>> You know, I looked at the hard cost of it because I thankfully have insurance.
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>> Uhhuh. >> It's a lot. It's more than a house. >> Really?
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>> Yeah. By the way, who is insuring the homes in my area anyway? Not Not where
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you guys live. >> Who do you get your insurance from? >> I mean, my god. Who is like
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>> Bobby's healing and band-aids on Ventura? Where did you >> Zack? Sag. Oh, SAG
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>> Blue Lacrosse. So, Anthem >> that >> How long How is it now?
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>> Well, I went through I went through eight months of recovery >> and got my get got back on my skateboard
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much too soon. I watched this whole thing on Instagram playoff >> and it never connected. My bone never
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connected because I was so active on it. >> So, you you rushed it a little bit and
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it never grew together. >> Yeah. And and I and I kept thinking like it's going to happen. It's going to
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happen. And then at some point I realized that I'm just in pain all the time. I mean like I would I would have
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to take a painkiller to get through an airport >> and I go this doesn't feel right for 8
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months in. I went and got X-rays and realized the bone had moved further away from where it was when it got
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>> because you were too active. >> I was too active. So, >> I uh I came up here to a specialist and
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um he's the specialist in non-union fractures, which means it never it never
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formed a union. >> And he put it straight and sent me on my way and I've been taking it slow and I'm
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finally back on my skateboard the way I used to. >> Where your bone wouldn't cross union
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lines >> one year later. What's that? >> It wouldn't cross. >> I'm supposed to get a hip replacement at
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some point. >> I heard those are Let's do it. Let's do I heard those are very effective and
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quick healing. >> 55 minutes open to close. >> Yeah. >> I I've been avoiding it for seven years,
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Tony, because they take a a saw and I feore. >> I heard I heard it's awesome.
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>> But people >> I would rather go through that than my femur issue.
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>> No, no, yours would be much worse. People who do it always say, "Ah, I
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should have done this a long time ago." I like to wait and kind of suffer. It's
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part of my personality. David's like that, too. But uh I'm inspired by your
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uh healing, you know, because >> at 24, you know, things heal faster. >> Yes. But yeah, I learned that you're
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full court. You're full fully around now. >> Um I'm I'm on my way. I'm not I can't
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say I'm fully >> You're not going to push it, are you? Doesn't your wife say don't push it
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anymore because you're going to break it again? >> Uh she is concerned that I that I am
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getting a little too uh ambitious >> and confident with it. So, I have been
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taking it >> as slow as I can. Let's put it that way. >> I'm I'm much more aware of it this time.
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>> You're like you're still kind of the old gunslinger in a way. I mean, you're the
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guy who invented the sport basically in some ways. I mean, thank you. I Everything I read it's is Tony Hawk and
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you're a icon. I mean, right. I'm not >> Everyone's sick of it. No, I appreciate
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it. Thank you. >> You're attached to this. >> Everyone's sick of it. You got a point
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there. >> But there's a lot of people on our podcast. My wife loves >> When is he just going to quit? My wife
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loves this podcast >> and she she'll know enough about you just through our sons that did that and
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I I just for a second before we get into all the questions I have. So the beginning because I was reading you know
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about your your high IQ and you were sort of a difficult like because I'm interested in what kind of brain not
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even your physical gifts becomes brilliant at something at age 12 9 12 um yeah I it was honestly it was just being
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obsessive and determined to a point of like to a fault because when I was a kid I just was so I wanted to do certain
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things and I didn't have the the body for it or whatever, but I was fired up
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>> football. I couldn't do football. >> Football. Well, I didn't play football,
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but but baseball, basketball. >> I was saying I could do a little bit of that. Like I was thinking, what other
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sports you good at? Because I couldn't do everything. And I went to skateboarding because
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>> in Arizona, >> it was that. Yeah. >> Well, skateboarding is a culture, too,
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which we'll talk about. I mean, it's more than >> Sure. And then once I started doing it,
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I kind of fell in love with the misfit aspect because I never really felt like I fit in with my school. Are you saying
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to me that are you saying Tony that you may not have absolute physical gifts like someone who could just Larry Bird
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got a basketball and just said came to him right away. Eddie Van Halen got his son his son his brother's guitar
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>> sat on the bed at 8 a.m. and played till midnight. >> Right. >> It just spoke to him. So when you got on
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the board it just spoke to you and you >> spoke to me but but in no way was I a
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natural >> a natural. You you you would do that for >> I would just do it, but I would just do
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it endlessly. Like I would go I would go from school to the skatepark, stay there until my mom got off work at
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the she she worked at community college >> at 8 or 9:00 p.m. and then she'd have to
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drag me away until they turn the lights off. >> Did you ever annoy them? Cuz bad
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skateboarding kids are really loud. Like they're constantly falling and banging.
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It's not a very relaxing thing as a parent watching bad >> skateboard. Steel wheels. You weren't
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that far back, were you? Not that far back. No. >> Did you have a yellow free form with a
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split tail? >> No. But >> jeez, what's going on, man? >> Bane.
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>> I did have a Bane was my first board. >> Okay. Okay. You like that, Dane?
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>> What? >> You like that [ __ ] >> Bane. >> Okay. Let me go back.
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>> This guy's legit. >> Let me go back to more Larry King type stuff.
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>> Yeah, I do. >> So, there you have a >> We want to get into the weeds of of
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urethane and clay wheels. We have a psychological question for him. My son had a when I was just talking on the way
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over here, he had he just had a comment. He wanted you to comment on this is jumping ahead a little bit. The turf war
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at a skate park between the BMXers, the Rollerbladers and the skaters, even though it's called a skate park.
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>> So, so what what uh will you comment please on that, Mr. Mr. Hawk? >> I'd say rollerbladers. got lucky in that
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I was a sort of a generation before that was happening. >> And at some point I got very lucky that
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I was still skating when rollerblading started to >> be on the rise because
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>> I was struggling to make a living at skateboarding and I got to be the special guest at rollerblade shows.
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>> This is a rollerblade show but we got special guest skateboarder Tony Hawk
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here. Thank God. >> That was paying my mortgage, literally. >> So, I never had the beef. I saw it. I,
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you know, I I saw it playing out and people were whatever, having bad stereotypes with everything.
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>> Um, but >> I love everyone. >> You're like the godfather, though. So,
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if they see you, do you win because you're a skater and they're like, "Oh,
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the [ __ ] king is >> I don't I is more that I grew up. I grew up too, not that grew up, but but
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eventually I was in all the X Games and doing all that. And then we were all sort of brethren, the BMXers, even the
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inliners. Um, >> and the skateboarders because >> we rode the same terrain and we were all
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sort of coming up together. >> Yeah. >> So, I I didn't feel that turf war like
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you said. >> Um, I will say that it's tricky when you have >> a lot of BMXers and a lot of skateboard
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as a skatepart because BMXers are silent. And you can't see them coming. You get
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hit. >> You don't hear them coming. Yeah. >> Right. Because the rubber tires and
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everything. >> Yeah. So that that can be an issue. And so I I think that there's a good
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>> Some skateparks assign certain days for bikes and certain days for skateboarding. I think that helps.
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>> It seems to me as a layman that the rollerblader has the device attached to
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his feet. The BMXer is hanging on to the device, >> right? >> And the skateboard guy has to stand on
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the [ __ ] thing. And it's like seemed much harder. >> Yeah, there's some apples to oranges
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there. I got to say >> I guess I mean I would I was such a baby. That was when there were steel
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wheels back in the 60s. A really steep hill. Yeah. >> I'd sometimes just sit on the [ __ ]
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>> San used to catamaran down some hills at the wedge in Arizona >> and big wipeouts at the end when you
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catamaran with your friend and then >> we would do it down really steep grass
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hills just so that we knew cuz we knew we were going to wipe out >> and then we just come live.
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>> Yeah. Exactly. >> I I actually uh wiped out at High Roller. I'll tell you that in a second,
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though. Uh >> High Roller Skate Park. >> Can we just finish off this uh young
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young Tony for a second? Just you're um you were just a quirky kid. You weren't
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a natural athlete. You you got a hold of a skateboard from from someone in the neighborhood or you're not older brother
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>> and then it just spoke to you. You became possessed. >> Yes. >> And then within
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>> Possessed is good. Yes. Within three years of that, you were world class or
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where at 12, it was something or 14. You It was such a quantum leap. >> I I started skating around age 10 and
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then got really into it. As I >> dove into it completely, >> it took a downturn in popularity. So,
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sort of like at the time when I was really starting to come into my own and fall in love with it, it was all the
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world was crumbling away around me. Um, and so I got sponsored at age 12 by Dogtown skateboards.
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>> Yeah. >> Which >> didn't really mean a whole lot. It just
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meant that sometimes they would send me free skateboards. That was pretty much it. And then I moved up.
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>> So no money. >> No money. No >> sponsor. I never knew what that meant,
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but I thought the coolest one. >> Free gear. >> Free gear. And then And then that moved
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me up to the sponsor division. And that kind of lit a fire because suddenly I was skating with people who are much
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more advanced and I had to figure out how to navigate that. And then I rose to the top of the amateur ranks in within
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two years and then I actually turned pro at age 14. >> But but when you turn pro like that what
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that means is I was filling out an entry form to the competition >> and there's an there's your name and
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address and then there's a box that says amateur and there's a box that says pro.
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So I checked the pro box. That was the only difference. That was it. And then I was first time you made money or sorry
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>> that was competing for $100 first place. >> Okay. >> 75 second 50 for third. I got fourth.
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>> So no money. >> No money. >> Do you remember your first check for
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doing this or >> My first check was 50 bucks when I got third place. >> 50 bucks. Yeah. I got paid $3 for my
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first set. >> Oo. >> Yeah. Money for your first set. That's pretty rare.
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>> Rum Williams was there. I think we It was $10. I think he took seven. I took
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three. >> Her seven. Oh. Seven. $7. Do you want to be famous? I asked him. Oh, just want to
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play for the people. Never forgot that. Well, you're playing pretty well. God
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rest his soul. Good friend. Anyway, Tony, that's remarkable. How are your parents reacting to this? And your
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brother, are you is there a sibling thing? Like Tonyy's a superstar. What? >> Well, he was he was um he is 13 years
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older than me, so he was he was in college and >> uh just kind of watched it. Well, he he
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was there sometimes, but my parents, I think they saw what it provided me just in terms of my sense of self and
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self-confidence and finally kind of focusing all of my energy and frustrations onto that instead of them.
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So they were thankful >> and they were supportive and and there were many very few parents were
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supportive >> because of the danger of it or or just that because of the culture of it like
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culture surfer dude >> and you weren't going to go to school >> even though there's a rumor you're smart
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but we have no proof >> it says here your IQ is 144 maybe at one point maybe he's half as high as that
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he's incredibly smart he's a chess champion that was his thing that's
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>> that's what I got off of had to go into skateboarding, which was a mistake. So,
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did you >> Some of us didn't go pro, Tony, and uh didn't get Ford.
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>> So, you got paid $50? >> Yeah. And then um eventually got my own skateboard model and that's when I
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started receiving royal checks, royalty checks for between $4 and $5 a month. >> Four and five a month. That's not too
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bad. >> $485. >> Did you design it or you How did you get your own? >> I designed the shape of it and then my
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sponsor Pal Pelta, they designed the graphics of it. Um, but then >> something happened in the mid80s where
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suddenly skateboarding kind of came around again >> and I found myself in high school making
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six figures from royalties on those skateboards. >> So, you're already an entrepreneur.
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You're you're a businessman already as you're a superstar athlete. >> Yeah. I didn't see it that way, but
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>> but it was just or were other kids doing it as well? Did you have other Did you
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have other dudes or women in the school that were >> not in school? No. That was the weird
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thing is that there was this resurgence of skateboarding. It was popular, >> but not a mainstream or widespread
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popularity. So, I was still the outcast at school. I literally would would hide my skateboard in the bushes when I go to
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school >> because people would hassle me if I if I carried around. They they would yell
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skater fact. >> Yeah. >> And I was I was pro. >> I was pro. And I was traveling
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>> to places like Florida, to places like Phoenix to go to these big events and
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sign autographs and come to school. And I was a ghost. >> Can I ask you just a technical question?
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>> Yes. >> Because it would seem to me when I watch gymnasts and stuff that you you growing
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to 6' three, is that an advantage, disadvantage, or neutral in terms of doing upside down flips? You have to
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have a bigger, you know, the math of that. When did you get to 63? >> Uh, not till I was in my late teens. So,
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you're becoming a brilliant skateboarder and you're growing and so you're
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adapting your revolutions to that height. >> Yeah. And I was still very flexible when
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I got tall. So, it was to an advantage because I finally was able to get speed >> and get get more height. And because I
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could ball up, I could still do those spins and things but at greater heights. >> So, your height gap.
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>> It helped me. Yeah. I can't say it it's helped me into my older age, but it
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definitely helped me. >> Interesting. David. >> Okay. Hey, Mike. Psychological question.
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>> I'm the layman. He's a skateboard. >> Is now uh when you grew up in San Diego
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and what was the park in Carl's? Was it Big O? What's not? >> Uh so there was Oasis skate park in San
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Diego >> and then that closed and then uh Delmare Skate Ranch was the last one park in
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that era. Yeah. >> Okay. So let's say Tony remember Vans. >> Do you remember? Yeah. That's much
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later. >> For one of my kids birthdays, I bought the place. >> Which one? Ontario or
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>> down? It was like Mil Pedis or something. South Peninsula. >> Yeah, that was
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>> Vans. That made him the coolest kid in school. >> That was a good part.
00:22:08
>> Yeah. >> Now, let's say because I did get to golf with Tiger Woods. Let's say he's the
00:22:18
best in golf. That's sort of generally known. And you are, let's say, generally
00:22:22
known as the best skater. Uh, is it a is it something in you that makes you not want to give up? number one because you
00:22:28
still skate. You don't really have to skate anymore. You could stop and >> Well, I never did it for fame or
00:22:34
fortune. >> You still like it. >> But those thing those things weren't
00:22:37
even dreams. >> No, I I have the same I asked my wife, did I ever talk about being rich or
00:22:42
famous? Never. I was in the club and I just wanted to be the best guy in that club. So, I totally relate to that.
00:22:47
>> But in skateboarding, no one was rich or famous when I started. That wasn't that,
00:22:51
you know, no one could aspire to what do you aspire to? I don't know. I'm going
00:22:54
to be pro. Okay. No one's making money. you get that $100 check. >> Yeah.
00:22:58
>> And you're in the magazine. And so, um, that was never the motivation. And so,
00:23:02
having come this far and having success I would have never dreamed, I still just
00:23:07
want to skate. I mean, it really is what you want to push it. >> You're the first superstar.
00:23:12
>> I think I've turned a corner on that to be honest. I mean, you've proven
00:23:15
everything, but I guess it's still fun to be like, you're still as good as
00:23:18
everyone. We go to comedy clubs, you still want to do as good as these guys, you know? It's the same thing.
00:23:21
>> Sure. Yeah. I I can't That's the thing, though. I can't phone it in and
00:23:26
>> and everyone's watching you. >> I can't. Yeah. And so if I were to feel
00:23:30
like I'm not really of a professional level, I wouldn't do it in public or on
00:23:34
camera. >> Yeah. >> Um but I'm I'm still walk the walk. >> I totally relate to what you're saying.
00:23:41
You know, when I go to do a day, I I can't help. I just want to dominate, but
00:23:46
it's it's not in an unfair way. Like you have your peers >> just to do but to do your personal best.
00:23:51
>> Yeah. Yeah. Not because you want to destroy everyone else. >> No. No. But it's it's it becomes a de
00:23:55
facto comedy competition sometimes and there's a lot of subjectivity to it when
00:23:59
10 guys go on and we're supposed to be just hanging out at the comedy store doing our sets but it's always like
00:24:04
you're the best setter. He couldn't follow you. It's a gunslinger thing,
00:24:08
right? >> But yeah, >> it's not as much Dave and I we don't >> Well, I did enjoy you guys after Chris
00:24:13
Rock. >> Oh, you saw I saw that. Yeah. >> Did you sense the awkwardness cuz we
00:24:17
were Caucasians? >> No, I think you guys handled it very well. I didn't want anyone to figure
00:24:22
that out, but they did right away. >> Well, they were. Yeah, it was uh it was
00:24:26
good. We were there to facilitate, but um you know, I can't join in on those
00:24:31
conversations and >> No, but I thought you guys did a good job. >> We wanted to joke. First of all, we
00:24:35
liked everybody there. All the the panel was cool. We hung with him all day and JB's funny.
00:24:40
>> He came out of his shell that night. >> Finally, for the first time, poking and
00:24:46
proddding. >> Yeah. The guy >> he lit his cigar backstage. He'd held it
00:24:49
for 20 years. That's right. That went so good. I'm going to light this up. I said JB, you are smooth.
00:24:56
>> Was smooth. He was nice. >> We know and we've known Chris, David,
00:24:59
especially close with Chris, but known him since 1990. And uh >> that was sort of how it came about. Like
00:25:06
we had a podcast. We're always we're together anyway. SNL, it's Chris. We're
00:25:10
all buddies. Let's put a panel together. Let's I guess they want to make the
00:25:14
event bigger. So why not? We'll talk about it. But there's some stuff in
00:25:18
there. If I had some heavy controversial opinions, I would say them. I But I didn't really I just watched the jokes,
00:25:24
liked them, said a few funny things, but when it got really heavy things, I don't
00:25:29
want to comment. I mean, I want to let them talk. And that was the same thesis, but it happened to Chris and he owned it
00:25:35
and expanded it. But I thought it was always about something else, that anger, right, with the wife. I mean, it was
00:25:44
pretty obvious, but he laid it out perfectly. And what was fascinating to me is that
00:25:49
very rarely does the world watch quote unquote the world and we all know the story. We all saw the slap and all the
00:25:56
reaction and then a year later we have a guy who got connected to it in such a way cuz Chris doesn't
00:26:03
>> flood lines. But I think the emotion was so strong at that moment which made it
00:26:07
better because it's live and real that this was a more than a mic drop. He was
00:26:12
working some stuff out >> and um it you know I he just wondered casually is this is this over now or
00:26:20
>> I mean me another special next year. >> We've all been bullied. Me and Chris
00:26:24
used to talk about I was pushed around Arizona. I was always a pipsqueak and I hated it and Chris hated it and uh I'm
00:26:29
sure Dana got a little bit of it. >> Well no no no way more I got bullied by
00:26:34
a grown man knocked out and [ __ ] Yeah. >> Yeah. And so when you get like that, I
00:26:39
can see when things like that set you off, road rage, [ __ ] because people try to [ __ ] with me. They'll hit on a date
00:26:45
right in front of me. They'll go, is this guy going to say anything? Or they'll say that you're not going to do
00:26:48
[ __ ] And that anger builds up over your whole life. And so Chris getting that on
00:26:53
stage at the Oscars. In my head, I was like, I I don't know if I could continue
00:26:57
life. It just be it's so humiliating. And then you don't fight back. Should I
00:27:00
have should? So you go on and on and Will I thought got off pretty easy because banning from the Oscars is one
00:27:07
thing, but banning from getting an Oscar is I thought should be stronger for a couple years.
00:27:11
>> Yeah, he doesn't have to go to the silly show. >> Who cares? Go to the Vandy Fairy. Just
00:27:14
wait and watch me walk in and >> they'll bring it in on a platter. >> Yeah, I saw him there after the Vandy
00:27:18
Fair. Then I saw Chris and uh Chris was pretty cool. >> So I I saw Chris the next morning.
00:27:25
>> Where were you? >> I was staying up here and I saw him at breakfast.
00:27:28
>> Oh, you did? >> Yeah. and he was alone at a table and I changed alone. Well, tell us what you
00:27:34
said to him. >> I just said I thought that you handled that like a maestro
00:27:38
>> and um he said yeah I don't had anything to do with with me but he but he already
00:27:43
had a clear piece of you know I wasn't >> yeah he has his own history with with
00:27:49
sit on it for a year it was it's it's got to drive him crazy but at least he
00:27:53
let it all out and it was it was great. I feel like he's >> I think that was a literal mic drop. I
00:27:59
don't think he he got it all out. I don't think he has anything else to say,
00:28:02
but I hope it continues. People have said to David and I if we had a real feud, this podcast would blow up.
00:28:08
>> I know. We're trying. >> So, I'm trying to find a way to get mad
00:28:11
at him. Pretty mellow. You want to be part of it. It's a wedge here. Listen to
00:28:14
me. >> It's pretty mellow. I'm trying to work up anger, but I want to have credit for that. No, but
00:28:20
what you say about bullying, I mean, and in our day, it was you just you got picked on.
00:28:25
>> Yeah. >> I just They're always picking on me. you know, we pick on him and that that was
00:28:29
totally accepted. >> Yeah. And >> there's no re there were no resources.
00:28:32
>> And a lot of it is not grandiose. Like a lot of it is just the uh the guy in the
00:28:36
locker room just takes the back of your neck and just just quickly just pushes you down to the floor. There's
00:28:43
>> knowing you're going to do nothing. >> Cuz I was so small. They would pick me
00:28:45
up in the hallway and spin me around once. >> By the way, nothing more humiliating.
00:28:50
>> Now that's why you were so great doing 360. You got to thank the guys.
00:28:54
>> Let's go. Wait, let's go two and a half this time. Listen up to a 900.
00:28:58
>> Tony Hawk became brilliant because of bullies who would flip him, throw him in
00:29:02
the air, throw him across the room, roll him down the hill. By the time you got on a skateboard, you go, "No one's
00:29:07
trying to hit me." >> I don't think you get picked up like I do. When people pick me up at a party, I
00:29:12
[ __ ] flip out. And to this day, it happens. I go, "If you pick me up, we're
00:29:15
dead for life. We're not friends ever again." >> It's like the most humiliating [ __ ]
00:29:19
>> Picked up, too. Yeah. And they'd throw you against the locker. >> I had a girl pick up my mom. That's it.
00:29:23
That's after I came my pants I said this is over surprise ending happy surprise. So Tony
00:29:36
>> well Tony >> Tony um >> no let's ask him about uh the movie we
00:29:40
did. We have to talk about >> Oh yeah. Okay. Well I just so you got I'm still so fascinated how well just to
00:29:46
make one obser one obs casual observation. The sport is went for a while. Yeah. you come up, you're
00:29:53
emerging right as the sport is going. And so you're the first that I don't
00:29:57
know if there's a second or there are these after superstars, but to the casual observer, you are skating and
00:30:04
you're who >> how many people their name is a brand. >> It's funny because I don't know I, you
00:30:09
know, I know skating. I know some names, but >> it's synonymous with Tony at that level.
00:30:14
I don't >> Well, I I can tell you I I credit a lot of that for a successful video game.
00:30:20
>> Oh, that's right. I think your name is >> because our our game
00:30:23
>> in huge letters >> had had huge success. >> Gigantic. Yeah.
00:30:27
>> That was where you made the most money, right? >> Oh, yeah. And people would would see my
00:30:32
name synonymous with a successful video game. So, that kind of added to the recognition factor.
00:30:37
>> Well, that's the cool thing is that you're the video game guy and then
00:30:40
you're still actually the best guy can physically do it. Doesn't always happen.
00:30:44
So, that that's that's so much power. So, how did the video game quickly how
00:30:48
did that come about? They approached you. you got to a certain level and a company approached you and were you in
00:30:53
on the design of it and so forth and so on. >> Uh so I was actually working with a PC
00:30:59
programmer who came to me and said, "Hey, I have an idea for a skateboard game."
00:31:03
>> Nerd, >> what's up? >> Nerd. Nerd. >> Two. We were two nerds.
00:31:08
>> Nerd alert. >> Literally knocking on doors. We were going to console manufacturers. We're
00:31:13
going to software companies and saying, "How do we do this?" Uh, so this was n
00:31:17
like around 97 96 97. >> So you're huge though at that point, right? >> Um,
00:31:23
>> yeah. Well, I there was there's sort of a gap in in skating's popularity in the
00:31:28
early '90s. So it went underground very much so and that's kind of when street
00:31:32
skating emerged. >> Okay. >> So this game they don't come to you
00:31:35
fully formed. They say go with us together. >> This he and I went to meetings and we
00:31:40
just got shut down everywhere we went. They said skateboarding is not popular. Why would anyone want to play a
00:31:45
skateboarding game? >> Okay. >> Uh and and at the time there weren't
00:31:49
>> that many home consoles. There were there were some, but not it wasn't.
00:31:53
>> Did you go to Nintendo or so? He gave up. He got frustrated. Okay. >> And he he actually told me he said,
00:32:00
"Look, I I got to find a job, but um I feel like we've made some some headway
00:32:04
in terms of putting your name out there that you're interested in doing this and
00:32:08
then maybe something will come of that." I remember thinking, "Yeah, okay, buddy.
00:32:11
Sure." And then almost a year later, uh, Activision called me and said, "Hey, we
00:32:17
heard you want to do a video game." I said, "Well, yes, very much so." They
00:32:21
said, "Well, we are doing a video game of skateboarding, >> and we'd like your input or to see if
00:32:26
you want to get involved." So, I went up to Activision, >> and they were working on this game that
00:32:31
was based on an engine that they had already made for a game called um, Apocalypse, starring Bruce Willis.
00:32:36
>> Okay. It was the first game that had a celebrity lookalike or Mhm. >> you know avatar I guess they not the
00:32:45
movie but literal >> and his voice and but it didn't do very well but the engine was perfect for
00:32:50
skateboarding >> the engineot the motion in the game. >> So the first time I ever played what
00:32:57
became Tony Ox pro skater was was Bruce Willis on a skateboard with a gun on his
00:33:02
back >> doing kick flips. >> Okay. like through a desert >> and it was Bruce Wills. That's a start.
00:33:07
>> Yeah, that was it. >> Were was there breakthrough moments or an epiphany like how how to make a
00:33:13
skateboard thing as exciting as a war or something? >> Well, when I played the game, I knew
00:33:19
then like this is the way it should >> cuz you're feeling it. >> I'm feeling it and it was intuitive.
00:33:24
Suddenly I was doing tricks right away. >> So I thought with my >> with my resources we could probably make
00:33:29
something that is legitimate. I I wasn't thinking it was gonna go gang busters
00:33:33
because I still heard those voices saying, "Who would want to play a skateboard game?"
00:33:36
>> Right. >> And when I told them, I had a Nintendo 64 at the time and I said, "Oh, we're
00:33:40
gonna make this for Nintendo 64." And they go, "No, we're making this for
00:33:42
PlayStation." >> PlayStation. >> There's a million PlayStations out
00:33:46
there. >> There aren't a million Nintendo 64s. And so I went along with that, obviously.
00:33:52
>> Another smart idea. >> Not long after when the when it had success in the beginning, they called
00:33:57
me. They said, "You get your wish. We're going to do Nintendo 64. >> Great.
00:34:01
>> I was like, "Cool." And then we ended up doing all the systems.
00:34:04
>> And did the first guy you wet the beak on him a little bit or not? Did he go
00:34:07
away for good? >> Show business term, wet the beak. >> Give a little money, little taste.
00:34:13
>> No, I felt bad for that guy. >> Oh, he's totally >> Well, so you had gross points. I mean, I
00:34:18
don't know, whatever. But you're an owner. You're an owner. And so being an
00:34:21
owner is king. >> And um >> Oh, yeah. I mean, it changed my life. So
00:34:25
it just starts rolling in and then it gets bigger. tax by the time the fourth game. No, I
00:34:31
remember my first I remember writing my first check to the IRS and thinking this
00:34:36
is more this is more than the money I'd ever think I'd made in my lifetime.
00:34:42
>> I was giving to the IRS the rich pay their fair share. The only one who did is Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk on
00:34:49
this. Yeah, I could forgotten the loopholes. >> That was Joe Biden. Sorry.
00:34:54
>> He gets it. Anyway, well, everything seems to be going well at this point in
00:34:57
your existence. The game has kicked ass. You've won so many X games, world champion.
00:35:02
>> Um, >> done a lot of commercials. >> You land a 900 at at some point. How
00:35:09
long did it take you when I saw >> How big a deal was that for you? >> Uh, that was Well, that was for me that
00:35:15
was my best uh exit from competition. >> So, you you were thinking I'm gonna land
00:35:21
this and >> and that wasn't there was no plan. Oh, >> it it was all spontaneous that night,
00:35:26
honestly. >> So, you just thought So, just because I was trying to explain it to my wife and
00:35:32
my sons, you're going up in the air really, really high. You're going a full
00:35:37
revolution of your body, another full revolution, and then a half a revolution, which you know, 360, 360,
00:35:44
180, and then hit it. Right. And that was a little Mount Everest kind of thing or
00:35:50
>> um for me at that time, yeah, because it's something that I had been trying
00:35:54
>> off and on for 10 years. Um I did I did the first 720 in 1985 >> and that was huge at the time.
00:36:02
>> Um >> yeah, for sure. >> I mean in the skateboard world, but the
00:36:06
skateboard world wasn't huge. Okay. >> There were no X games. There was no
00:36:09
social media. So Okay. So no one really >> Does it have to be filmed or do they
00:36:12
take your word for it? I got a sequence of it that I mean back then there was bones brigade videos were out kind of
00:36:18
but really it was more about did did it get in the magazine. >> So I got a small sequence in
00:36:23
>> Thrasher teach all those photos like that. Yeah. >> I got a small sequence in Thrasher doing
00:36:26
a 720. >> [ __ ] yeah. I probably saw I think >> on a backyard ramp in Sweden.
00:36:31
>> So when you landed the 900 what kind what competition were you >> that was at the XY at the X Game. So
00:36:36
that was global television. >> What? >> I said what kind of [ __ ] did you get? I
00:36:40
thought that's what you're saying. for mature audiences only. Is that on
00:36:44
the video game? >> I thought that's where you're headed. >> Not quite.
00:36:47
>> No. So you do the I get all serious. So wait, so you do >> you're you're so to answer questions.
00:36:54
He's out there. >> To answer your question, I was trying it off and on. I couldn't figure it out. I
00:36:58
got hurt a couple times doing it. And then when that event happened in 99, it was the best trick event. And I had one
00:37:05
trick planned for that event, which was not the 900. >> It was a variation of a 720. And I I
00:37:11
made that early on. >> So I had 10 minutes to kill in this event. And the announcer, the live
00:37:18
announcer for the audience that was there said, "Why don't we see ONE OF
00:37:22
THOSE 900S?" AND I was like, "Great." >> Like now I'm on the spot.
00:37:26
>> Crowd. >> Okay. Yeah. I watched this last night. >> This isn't the one where you kept trying
00:37:31
it. Is that the one? >> I kept trying. Yeah. That's one where you go over and over and
00:37:35
>> like your 10th one and then they all bobbed >> and everyone almost gave up and then
00:37:39
>> you kept doing >> well I was I think I think after my third or fourth attempt I realized that
00:37:45
>> this is the closest I've ever gotten. So I'm there's no way I'm going to give up.
00:37:50
It's either I'm going to make this or they're going to take me away or you're
00:37:52
going to get hurt or something. >> What do you think? Are you thinking right as you take off like to get height
00:37:57
right to get as high? Uh there there's there's kind there's a bunch of
00:38:01
elements, but speed for sure. It's got to be a certain height to get that much
00:38:05
spin rotation. >> Um the snap is when the the moment you leave >> the ramp. Yeah.
00:38:13
>> You got to have a snap where you you hit your tail and you grab the board at the
00:38:17
exact same time. >> And if that doesn't happen, your board just flies away immediately and you're
00:38:22
stuck kind of spinning in space. >> Oh, right as you're about to go airborne, you got to grab your board. So
00:38:26
you're attached to it. And so if you get a good snap, then somewhere in the middle of the spin, you have to shift
00:38:31
your weight towards the front foot. That was the part that I couldn't figure out
00:38:35
all those years. >> Whoa. >> Oh, interesting. >> And so I mean, sorry, not not the
00:38:40
towards towards the back foot. So you spinning if you if you just spin the way that you take off and try to land,
00:38:46
you're too >> topheavy. >> So I had to figure out how to sort of
00:38:50
shift my weight to the back foot mid spin. >> And that's what you see me working out
00:38:54
at. >> You mean when you land, you'll go face first. She won't. >> I did go face first the first time I
00:38:58
ever tried to make it. >> So that's why you go I got to be I got to be
00:39:01
>> with the weight on the back foot. It seemed like when you did do it, you did
00:39:04
sort of a squat and you it you >> Yeah. Well, that was me overcompensating,
00:39:08
>> right? But you didn't leave the board. You set the record. But that was like
00:39:11
Yeah. Interesting. Wow. >> Yeah. You um you know cuz I do when I used to skate. It's fun to watch once I
00:39:18
quit because you sort of know a little bit about it enough to know which tricks are hard. So when I see Instagram and
00:39:23
I'm like god damn like it got so beyond what I could ever do. I was I was >> it's video games now. Like the tricks
00:39:30
that you see >> I can't imagine >> on Instagram or the or the pros that you
00:39:33
see out there especially street skaters. It's the kind of thing that we did on
00:39:37
our video game in combos as a joke >> cuz you know you could never do it. >> Yeah. No, no one will ever do this and
00:39:42
now they're doing it. >> Is the equipment gotten better then or or is there
00:39:46
>> uh the equipment hasn't changed the same? >> It seems about the same. I think they
00:39:50
have like they have, you know, plates on track shoes, people running four-minute
00:39:55
miles, high schoolers, you know, carbon. Okay. So, it's they're all about the
00:40:01
same weight. They're all about the same. >> It's also like when you think about the
00:40:04
generations that have come before, they the generation coming in now establishes
00:40:09
that, oh, a 900 is possible or these these tricks, these combos are reality. So, that's the baseline of which to
00:40:16
start. >> You could even go crazier. >> Yeah. you know, uh, they used to have
00:40:20
these things, Dana, called skyhooks. So, if that was Abdul, >> Tony knows what it is. If you, if I I
00:40:26
was like, it was hard for me to when I got to doing aerials >> at the old high roller skate park in
00:40:32
Arizona. And so, when you have to leave the top of the pool, that's being a colossal [ __ ] This is a doctor telling
00:40:38
me this. >> That's three [ __ ] on this uh, >> no, that's just saying I am not tough.
00:40:43
So, >> Oh, with different connotations. Yeah. Totally different meanings every time.
00:40:46
>> It's a fear thing. Dana, why once you leave the town? >> Come on, don't be a baby. I'll be my
00:40:51
dad. >> It's too scary. And then so I wiped out a high roller trying to do an aerial
00:40:55
axle stall. I think I've told Tony this before. And so I >> which but to his credit, it's a pretty
00:41:00
gnarly trick. >> It's a hard trick. >> It's hard and it's dangerous.
00:41:02
>> And so you go up land I think David Andre someone did that good speed. You
00:41:05
go up off David and >> you go up out of the pool. It was a It was a pool at the skatepark and you go
00:41:09
up and you land on your axles and then you drop back in. >> Landing is the hard part. dropping it. I
00:41:14
could probably do, but I missed it and I wiped out and I fell backwards into the
00:41:17
pool and broke both wrists. Now, >> everyone uh uh all the concerned skaters
00:41:24
go, "Get the [ __ ] out of the bowl." >> Yes. >> So, cuz I was laying there broken wrist.
00:41:30
>> I had to drag my board up and it's hard to walk up from the deep end of the
00:41:33
shallow. It's like slippery. >> So, I get out and I'm laying on my
00:41:37
brother's we had the Lee car and Andy got mad cuz we just got to the skate park. We had two hours. And so I'm
00:41:43
laying in the car on the on the windshield and uh Andy they go get Andy, my brother, because he saw me. He goes,
00:41:49
"I'll just go in the car. We're out of here in two hours." And so
00:41:53
the the the skate park person saw me kind of shaking on the car. I didn't say
00:41:57
anything. I knew I was in trouble. And then they went and got Andy and he comes and throws his helmet and he goes, "What
00:42:01
the [ __ ] You're fine, right?" And I go, "Yeah." And they go, "No, you got to
00:42:04
take him home. You can't stay." And he goes, "Fuck." So he he throws me in the
00:42:09
car and he goes he goes, "I'm going back." So he dropped me to my stepdad
00:42:14
>> and Oh, he went back this morning. >> He went back. Yeah. And then I sat there
00:42:17
and then my stepdad was buzzed because it was night. He was just drinking this morning
00:42:21
>> and he took me to this clinic and x-rayed him and I saw a crack down both
00:42:25
of them around his corner. I look around the corner. I go, "Hm." I didn't even go
00:42:28
to med school. I see something going on. He goes, "Let's sit on this."
00:42:33
>> He was drunk. I go, "What? What are we waiting for?" So I lay down and I don't,
00:42:37
you know, we don't have Vikings back then. We don't have anything. So I'm
00:42:39
just laying there sort of whimpering. >> I was whimpering. And then uh the next
00:42:44
day my mom goes, "Take them in and do something." So he just gave me splints.
00:42:48
>> So then the first day of school I went as a freshman I had two splints but I
00:42:52
look like a badass. I had my quick silvers. I had my [ __ ] OP shirt carrying skateboard.
00:42:58
>> I didn't We got injured in different ways. Like my brother >> popped the wheelie. That's what we do on
00:43:02
our pop the wheelie. The wheel comes off. Chips his >> teeth. Yeah. The forks go down. You go
00:43:08
uh oh. This is just a >> So, he's like got fangs for a while. They finally got him, you know, caps on
00:43:13
him. And then he's doing a Duncan Imperial going with the yo-yo. Boom. Broke him again. That's twice. You guys
00:43:22
were dared slinky. >> Then he got a slinky. He lost an ear. Look, I don't want to go into the
00:43:29
carvey. We were rough and tumble 60s kids. It wasn't Nothing was Nothing was
00:43:34
safe. Trust me. I knocked my teeth out, my front teeth, uh, five times. >> God dang. Are you really?
00:43:41
>> Yeah. But the cool thing about that is every time you knock them out, you can
00:43:45
choose the size and the color. >> Oh, the only You have a very positive value.
00:43:49
>> But in your adult life, that's that's a thing, right? So, >> how many bones do you have broken in
00:43:53
your body? Everyone wants to know. Everybody, >> four officially. >> Four officially.
00:43:58
>> Yeah. my pelvis, my elbow, uh my femur, and um well, I broke my thumb basically.
00:44:05
>> Concussions. >> How many bruises roughly >> concussions? >> I had I had many.
00:44:11
>> My son did ramp rats with BMX bike. >> I You know, you find out later, but he
00:44:18
was out cold for three minutes once. >> Yeah. >> Well, concussions weren't talked about a
00:44:24
lot in the old days. >> No, no, you just hit your head hard. They didn't know, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:28
You got you got a spell wrong. >> But they say multiple hard hits is the hardest thing on your brain.
00:44:32
>> Uh well or in the hundreds >> in in succession. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Where it's one after the other the
00:44:38
in a short time. Yes. Absolutely. And and >> um I I've been proactive in that and
00:44:42
I've I've had the tests and to see if I'm at risk for Alzheimer's and it seems
00:44:48
that I'm doing all right. >> I see a lot of dudes in these Instagram with no helmets doing some gnarly stuff.
00:44:52
>> Yes. >> Little scary. It's kind of a skateboard cool thing to do, but
00:44:55
>> it is not the smartest thing. >> They were trying to when they put
00:44:59
skateboarding in the Olympics there there was a there was a movement which I found odd to not have helmets in the
00:45:07
park event. >> Yeah, you can z where people are flying. >> Yeah. You're doing rail. That's it when
00:45:14
it's flat. You're saying when it's just street stuff? >> Not when it's street. They they're
00:45:17
they're not. But what they were saying is park event we shouldn't have to wear
00:45:21
pads. And I was like, "You guys are I I was I was not in the conversation, but
00:45:25
so you guys are flying 10 ft above 10 foot pools. That's Yeah, >> I don't think it's going to go well for
00:45:31
the general audience." >> Yeah. >> No, it's not like it's supposed to be
00:45:35
kind of a fun game. >> I picture parents going, "Yeah, you're never going to do that."
00:45:45
Does the skateboarding culture does it overlap with surfing in a way or is that a bad vibe that it also it's not
00:45:52
necessarily a cannabis culture? >> It was kind of Oh. Uh well I I'd say
00:45:57
skateboarding is so diverse now that I wouldn't just zero in on something like
00:46:02
that. I I I feel like this definitely has been associated with skating. >> But they they had the phrase surfer bum.
00:46:08
Do they have skater bum? >> Um, skate rat I think is >> skate rat is more like to just someone
00:46:13
who lives. >> But I think on the outside, especially in the in those days when skating wasn't
00:46:18
very popular. There was a there was a sort of view of skating that was, oh, they're slackers, they're they wake up
00:46:25
late, they're stoners, right? >> And I guess you could view it like that,
00:46:28
but I feel like skating requires so much discipline that that was sort of being ignored.
00:46:33
>> It's very technical. >> That's true. We we were sort of outliers
00:46:36
because you didn't fit in anywhere at our school. So my brother and I >> we took my kids to Europe and they
00:46:43
>> cuz we were middle class kids. Got some money. We're in Italy. But all they
00:46:46
wanted all they talked about was statues and monuments. I could catch so much air
00:46:49
off that. >> Oh yeah. >> Everything was about what they could skate off of, you know, kind of any
00:46:54
angle. >> I remember when one of the pallet tourries went to the Vatican and I tail
00:46:59
dropped off one of those sculptures and >> I'm sure they love that. >> People didn't really like that.
00:47:02
>> Yeah. >> Wait a minute. You you were in the Vatican skate park in the Vatican City
00:47:07
in the area. Yeah. We we we were just skate that's that was the thing in those
00:47:12
days. All we cared about was skating. So it was >> anything. Yeah. >> Yeah. The sightseeing was just more
00:47:16
incidental to us getting to skate that day. >> Uh stairs. What was that? What would you
00:47:21
get most excited about just in sort of urban envird uh reservoir? >> Even Ker school here I used to see in
00:47:32
skateboard magazine. So when I came here, I had to go find it. And it was kind of lame. It was just slight banks
00:47:37
on asphalt, but it was something. >> Yeah, that was the early days. >> Yeah. I do some Blemans,
00:47:42
>> you know. A little bit. >> Bleman. >> Oh, yeah. Just a little term.
00:47:48
>> Is that right? >> I do little tail blockers because there's really no danger.
00:47:51
>> I have a photo. >> I'm representing the audience at home. >> In the first Bones Brigade uh
00:47:56
newsletter. >> Yeah. >> I had a photo doing a Bleman at Caner Banks.
00:48:00
>> Oh, for real? >> Yeah. Jeez. You don't have to go to Bernto's deli. A good thing is if Tony's
00:48:05
a photographer across me, if you go up to him and there's a camera low and you
00:48:08
do a tail block, put your hand down and then that's a good picture angle. >> Yeah, that's a good one.
00:48:14
>> Uh let's talk about the movie. Uh oh, you were in Jackass too before we get to
00:48:17
Police Academy. >> Um all of them. >> You were in all of them. Yeah.
00:48:20
>> And you do did you do Dane? Have you seen when uh some kind of blown up suit?
00:48:24
>> Full pipe. >> Yeah. >> Did you do it? Did you do a full pipe in
00:48:27
a chicken suit or something? >> I did. Yes. I was about to say it sounds like
00:48:32
>> Well, I No, let me Johnny. >> I did I did that for Jackass. >> Yeah.
00:48:38
>> With Matt Hoffman. >> The TV show. >> The TV show. He and I wore a
00:48:42
>> Oh, he was a BMXer, right? >> Yeah. And we did we did a loop uh in
00:48:45
Orlando. And then then after the loop, we jumped into this lake. >> Oh, that's fun. Yeah.
00:48:49
>> Um and then uh I was on Wild Boys and we were skating in gorilla costumes
00:48:57
>> and then it's never easy. We were also skating with an orangutang. So that was
00:49:01
the whole vibe. There was an orangutang that skated and then Bob Burrus and I dressed up in gorilla. Bob
00:49:06
>> did the orangutang think you were gorillas or knew you were. >> No, but it did not like if we got ahead
00:49:11
of him. >> So learn very quickly. Very competitive. >> He's in it to win it and worry you'll
00:49:16
stand behind cuz you don't want him coming after you >> in your We end up We end up skating.
00:49:22
>> They chew your face off. I heard. >> Yeah. Yeah. We end up skating.
00:49:25
>> Side note. uh just to fill the the content. And then we went and did Bob
00:49:31
had his own loop and we did Bob's loop and Bob's loop was very slow and weathered and I didn't take that into
00:49:37
consideration as I went down to it and then I ended up paying the price. >> Did you not get around the whole thing?
00:49:43
You're saying >> I fell I fell from what happened was I fell just around
00:49:48
uh 10:00 going up. >> Mhm. >> And that makes you go all the way to the
00:49:52
top and then fall. Um, >> so I fell 16 ft. That's when I broke my pelvis.
00:49:58
>> And were you in the orangutang suit at that point or some other suit? Was the
00:50:01
orangutang suit >> that was for Wild Boys. >> Was it Was it padded? >> Not worth it.
00:50:06
>> No, they that was extra. We don't got any budget. >> And I was wearing the mask so I wasn't
00:50:10
wearing my helmet. So I had a problem. >> Uh, I got a concussion. >> My skull. For people at home, you just
00:50:17
go straight down fast like Hot Wheels and then you do a whole loop and you lose all your momentum at the top and
00:50:22
you want to bail, I'm sure. But if you just hang on, you're fully lightweight.
00:50:26
I'm sure you're full >> um if you have the right amount of speed, you you just hold steady and it
00:50:31
works >> and it will stay on. >> Yeah. But but the problem with Bobs is
00:50:34
that it was so weathered you couldn't get that around amount of speed. I like
00:50:38
>> so I tried to compensate by using my legs and if you use your legs then you
00:50:43
end up completely straight leg with nowhere to go. >> Have you ever studied geometry or or
00:50:49
physics? Cuz it sounds like you're really you got to know speed. It's wind.
00:50:53
It's like >> well the first time I ever did it I did I did go I actually like did a Hot
00:50:58
Wheels and tried to measure that and do the ratios of how that would work and it
00:51:03
worked the first time but this time it didn't work. It seems like there's a lot
00:51:06
of thinking that goes into these tricks that maybe not every porter has. Usually
00:51:11
it's just intuitive. >> No, it's just try, >> right? >> I don't like they gave you a shitty
00:51:16
ramp. >> If I get here, I'm going to fall there. I got to get speed to get this velocity
00:51:19
in this angle. I don't know. Sounds >> Yeah, it we're just kind of going off a
00:51:23
feeling. We didn't have foam pits or training grounds, >> right? >> So, it's like David like he he tried air
00:51:30
axle stall and >> came down hard and broke his wrist. >> Yeah. When we, by the way, we we did
00:51:34
this movie in the old days. I I I was trying to jump the simple thing of stairs.
00:51:38
>> Just seeing if your wrist has a bump. >> No, I actually I actually broke my wrist
00:51:42
again after that >> skating. >> Yeah. And my mom goes, "You shouldn't
00:51:46
skate anymore." I go, "Cuz it's too dangerous." She goes, "No, you're
00:51:48
horrible at it. >> We have to keep you in school. You keep >> We're mortgaging the house."
00:51:55
It was It got too hard. It was too, >> you know, I could do the Desert Pipes.
00:52:00
Uh we did those. I could do uh >> you know, and just go to Vert and come. I couldn't really do that one.
00:52:05
>> Those are those are famous. >> Could you do a um what is it? The pineapple reverse squat.
00:52:10
>> Do you remember that one? >> The old dipsy doodle. >> No, I could do front side grinders. I
00:52:16
can do stuff. But it gets scary, Dana. And it was just when it gets too hard what they were doing, it just it
00:52:21
separates. >> I had a hard time looking at it. My kids coming down steep hills. Yeah.
00:52:25
>> Didn't want to wear helmets, but put the helmet on. Put the helmet on. Put And I
00:52:29
because of childhood trauma, I had to look away. My wife could just watch him, but I would just I would just look away.
00:52:35
Oh, they made it. >> You know, >> we had 23 ER visits between the two
00:52:39
sons. >> Oh, wow. >> Yep. >> Yeah. I uh actually have the cell number
00:52:44
of the head of the ER. My down there by you in your secret. >> They have a special lane. Tony, he's
00:52:51
coming in on Tony Drive. Okay. Put >> We have several children and they all
00:52:56
went through their share of injuries because they all skate. So, that too. >> And is Riley a pro? Riley, my oldest son
00:53:02
is pro. Yes. >> Yeah. He's good. He's cool. >> Oh, that's cool. So, do you think um
00:53:06
when you see him becoming that good, you do you see yourself in him intellectually or or
00:53:12
>> I see I see his determination and his drive to keep trying to outdo himself.
00:53:19
Yeah. >> Very much so. He he he's more of a street skater, so that is not my
00:53:23
wheelhouse, >> but I do see the same sort of motivation that he has that I have.
00:53:28
>> It's kind of all successful people. It's hard that he's that good because he's
00:53:32
got this guy as a dad and and it's hard to be good anyway. >> He kind of he kind of shied away from
00:53:37
skating when he started getting good because of that. >> That's weird. It's definitely weird.
00:53:41
>> But but came back to it because he had so many close friends that were just
00:53:45
hardcore skaters >> and kind of found his own path after that. >> Well, once you're making a living at
00:53:50
something that's a passion, it's kind of a it's a very nice thing. So, he is
00:53:55
professional. >> He is. >> And I always wanted to make the same amount of money I could as a waiter.
00:54:00
like maybe 1,500 a month, right? And once I got to 600 a month, I was able to put that apron.
00:54:07
>> I made 600. >> We made 600 on this podcast. >> Finish that sentence.
00:54:14
>> I'm telling you, two jokes. >> No, life's been good. But um to your
00:54:18
point, and it's for everybody who who excels at things, the passion has to come first and and just wanting to get
00:54:26
better at it, you know, wanting to get better. I I do see I I I have seen skaters come and go because their
00:54:32
motivation is is fame and fortune and if they get a taste of it then they don't
00:54:37
want to skate anymore or they don't want to push themselves. >> And also if that's your moniker it's
00:54:41
like Lauren Michaels one of his uh the minute you're hot you feel yourself getting less hot.
00:54:48
>> It's hard to stay. >> So in other words if you're a fame [ __ ]
00:54:50
you're just like you know yeah I don't I like to stay home. I don't want to go
00:54:54
anywhere. Dave's a man about town but we're we we met. We're different. That's
00:54:58
why we we have a chemistry. But yeah, I'd much rather watch Friday Night Lights at home.
00:55:03
>> I have to extract Dana out to dinner once a week every week or something.
00:55:07
>> I I feel you. >> You know, he has dinner and mashed potatoes waiting for him when he sits
00:55:12
down >> and then he'll have a small cocktail. >> I go, "Are you feeling anything with
00:55:18
that two pounds of little microb whiskey at night?" >> Dana, why aren't you asking him about
00:55:25
the movie you don't care about? It's police academy 4. It's where we
00:55:28
>> Well, this is uh for listeners. No. Well, this I have some questions after
00:55:33
this, but this is >> the axis of connection between these two. The movie Police Academy
00:55:40
>> four. The good >> David's in it. Tony's in it. Go guys. >> I I got hired just doing improv. I
00:55:47
wasn't a good actor. The way I locked into that Tony is I went in. I was very
00:55:51
new. I was 21 and I just started doing sets of the improv and there's casting
00:55:54
people peppered around. You just don't know. And then when they called me in
00:55:58
and they said, "We got a script. Can you come in and audition?" I didn't know
00:56:02
what I was doing. I would have literally cuz my next audition I just read it off
00:56:04
the page. >> Yeah. >> They go, "We want you to read." I go,
00:56:07
"Oh, I can read." And then I just read the script to them and they were like,
00:56:10
"You don't know what you're doing." And I go, "Nope."
00:56:13
>> So the only reason I got that is because they go, "Can you skate?" And I said,
00:56:16
"Yeah." Because I auditioned for Northshore, a movie, and I said I could
00:56:19
surf and I could not. And >> did they discover that? >> Yeah, they discovered it. Well, I didn't
00:56:24
get it. So, I got down to meet and Matt Adler, a buddy of mine, got it, and he uh he could surf. So, it's by about a
00:56:29
guy from Arizona and I go, I have all the components. I can't surf that good.
00:56:32
>> Uh so, I dodge a bullet without one. >> Yeah, I would have [ __ ] drowned.
00:56:36
>> Surfing. >> No, no, but I'm just saying that is that is the one of the most quoted
00:56:41
ridiculous surf movies. >> Oh, yeah. It was kind of goop. Was kind of goofpy. Is that what you're saying?
00:56:45
>> Yeah. from Arizona. >> There's some there's some oneliners in
00:56:48
there that endure that live on because this is called uh Northshore was >> Northshore. Yeah. And who was in it?
00:56:55
>> Matt Adler is a buddy of mine that >> Okay. Uh >> Lar Oh, he does.
00:57:00
>> Hamilton is the guy that pulls his leash. He would have drowned. >> Oh, Lar Hamilton.
00:57:03
>> Yeah. He's a trip. >> He's the bad guy. >> If he knew I was not good. So anyway, so
00:57:07
I audition for Police Academy, but when I get there, they go, >> "We're getting a new script in. It's not
00:57:12
here yet." And I go, "Oh." And they go, >> "Shit, you're here. Do you want to just
00:57:16
>> Oh, perfect. >> Do you want to just add lib stuff? Well, you're just a smartass kid. And the
00:57:20
lines are so stiff. Anyway, I would have bombed. So, I just started making up stuff.
00:57:23
>> That's good. >> And it was so lucky because they go, "Oh, he's not bad." Cuz I was just free
00:57:28
forming, right? >> That's so much. >> So, I get hired. I go there. I'm making
00:57:31
so much [ __ ] money. >> I think I was making $2500 a week. That's a movie. I was in a movie in
00:57:37
Toronto. And they go, "You're part of a little skate gang of misfits." And they
00:57:41
go, "Oh, we're going to get And of course, I knew the Bones Brigade. I knew
00:57:44
everything from Arizona. And then they go >> this guy Tony Hawk, I think it was
00:57:48
Guerrero and Cavalero and Mike McIll and Lance Lance Mountain. >> Y >> and so they all came out and I was so
00:57:54
excited because they were rock. >> Do you remember your first impressions of David Spade?
00:57:59
>> Um I thought it was super funny. >> Yeah. So you it was one of those things
00:58:03
where I got where you go, oh you're you're really funny. You should be a
00:58:06
comedian. That was lucky because you know Tony, the one problem we had was Tony was taller than me and he was uh
00:58:12
Were you goofy or regular foot? >> I'm goofy footed. And so we had Chris
00:58:16
Miller. >> Well, no. C can I interject? >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> So,
00:58:20
>> yes. >> So, we all read for this that part. >> Oh, is that right?
00:58:24
>> We all read for the part. Oh, that's right. Okay. >> Or or that you and the who's the guy
00:58:28
from Fast Times? Backer. So, we all read for those parts as the Bones Brigade. And they're like, "Yeah, you guys are
00:58:33
not actors, but you know, we'll we'll consider you in the gang or whatever."
00:58:37
And then they >> I didn't know that >> they singled out when they hired you
00:58:41
guys, they singed out Lance and me as the doubles. >> Yeah. >> I went through a go gross spurt
00:58:46
>> from the time we tried out to the time we got there. >> Really? >> And so for the first week, they were
00:58:52
like, I think that guy's too tall. And I remember the director saying like, you
00:58:56
know, he's a pretty good skater, but he's a bad stunt double. And so then
00:59:00
Stacy kept telling me like stay low. >> Oh, crouch. >> Stay low. Oh, Stacy Pearl. Yeah. And I
00:59:06
go I I I don't know. I I was trying. I was trying. And then And then they just
00:59:09
quietly sent me home. >> Basically, I got fired. >> Oh. >> And then they sent in Chris Miller,
00:59:15
>> who looks like you and is is the same stance as Well, you're you're
00:59:20
>> I'm goofy, but he was closer. It was a tough decision because you're goofy and
00:59:25
he's right there. Sorry. What does goofy foot mean? >> I'm goofy. Oh, that means
00:59:29
>> he stands he stands with his right foot forward. So do I. >> And that's called goofy. Yeah. And left
00:59:33
foot is called >> regular. Regular. Okay. >> And so when I got hired, if you remember
00:59:37
that was that was part of the thing. It was like, "Oh, you're goofy footed, too.
00:59:40
That's what David is." So I went, "So and and long story short, they sent in
00:59:44
Chris Miller, who looks more like him, but is regular footed." >> Okay.
00:59:47
>> So in the in the skate sequence, his stance keeps changing. >> It's so crazy. Wow. I'm going to watch
00:59:53
this unprofessional, by the way. But you had a legit skate park like going through the mall.
00:59:58
>> I could skate. I could skate and then when I go one time I go uh Brian Ber
01:00:02
could not skate. He was the >> He was very much against it. >> Yeah.
01:00:08
>> To the point where he's making us very uncomfortable >> as part of the movie or
01:00:12
>> he just didn't want to even pretend and they needed establishing shots of him
01:00:17
skating. Okay. >> Even if they had to pull him on something to just stand he didn't want
01:00:20
to be. >> Yeah. But at one point they did try to get him on a skateboard and he was very
01:00:23
upset about it and he was kind of complaining to us and we're like we just work here.
01:00:26
>> Yeah. >> But we can help you like >> Stacy Peralta was a great skater and a
01:00:32
great director and one of his bosses cuz he's from Palalta Bones were great all
01:00:36
>> Yeah. I mean he's the one who put us together and he was the one who got us
01:00:39
the audition >> and he did second job. >> Yeah. >> He so he directed us in a lot of those
01:00:44
skate scenes if not all of them. And one time I go Stacy he goes you can skate a
01:00:48
little bit right. I go yeah. I go, "Listen, on this one, I read a pink bone
01:00:51
shirt, didn't I?" Yeah. And I go, "Uh, we're just we're just rolling through
01:00:54
the city at night." So, I go and they go, "You go over these steps." And I go,
01:00:58
"What is it? Five steps?" I go, "I can do that." And he goes, "Okay."
01:01:00
>> So, I could do five steps >> seven out of 10 times. So, but when the
01:01:06
pressure So, they're all behind me. I don't know if you remember this. Anyway,
01:01:10
I'm in front. Woohoo. Making noises. We loop later. And then we go in and I do
01:01:14
the first steps and I [ __ ] wipe out. And then everyone has to wipe out on top of me because they're all like two feet
01:01:19
behind me. >> Oh yeah. There was no >> was the camera rolling like I'm like
01:01:26
>> And they use that. >> No, I think they just go Tony just do it. >> And then you
01:01:31
>> we need to get one right as a stunt double. >> Yeah. A stunt double.
01:01:34
>> Five five steps. Was it nothing for you that >> uh not nothing but it was
01:01:39
>> Yeah. Doable. >> It seemed to be a lot for >> very difficult for them.
01:01:43
>> Yeah. But what we learned in in that shoot is we learned about stunt bumps.
01:01:48
>> Mhm. >> And we didn't know anything about that. So if we pretended like something was
01:01:52
really hard, they give us extra money. >> Oh, >> you did jump a police. You're talking
01:01:56
about two stairs. Are you nuts, boy? I've got a fee for that one. Yeah, I got
01:02:01
you. >> There was one. It was the um when we jumped the fountain. >> Okay.
01:02:04
>> I don't think you were there for that one, but we we jumped the fountain. They
01:02:07
set up this big ramp and and it just was so janky the whole thing. And and it was
01:02:11
the landing zone was terrible and we were just sitting there sweating it and they're like, "We'll give you each $500
01:02:16
bucks to do this." We're like, "What?" >> Oh yes. >> Oh.
01:02:19
>> Oh. The ramp got a lot every time. >> Back. Let's keep going. And that's when
01:02:25
we learned that we >> interesting. Yeah. Stunt doubles. I've been next to guys that were about to
01:02:30
take a car hit on my behalf talking to them. How you doing? Pretty good. >> And they never they never say they won't
01:02:36
go again because they get another >> I guess they get more money. >> Junk. Yeah.
01:02:39
>> Yeah. So every take they do it, they get a bump. >> Right. Right. Yeah.
01:02:43
>> There's only one time I had a stunt man tap out and I took over. >> You took over? What was it?
01:02:49
>> Weird. Well, it was going inside this big vat of goo. Big wooden thing. And
01:02:54
Anthony Hopkins was the dad. He was there. It's supposed to go under it and then it's the goo fills everything
01:03:02
>> and I guess a little claustrophobia. The guy was a great stunt man but just got
01:03:06
him shook up. So I did it. You did it. >> Yeah. I got underneath the thing. I go,
01:03:12
"Well, [ __ ] I'm a little guy. I can't skate. I can't do anything, but I'll
01:03:15
stay on this [ __ ] goo." I come up from the goo and there's Anthony Hopkins
01:03:19
or Tony as I call him or Hoppy. We were close. Anyway, he gave me He's playing
01:03:24
my dad. So, anyway, um I have questions. >> Yeah, give him the questions. >> I I just We do this sometimes for fun.
01:03:31
Let's see what I got here. I I do want to say though to end that I get asked about that all the time.
01:03:42
>> I do too. All the time. Oh, he's got me for >> Please count me for is kind of one of
01:03:46
those comedies of the 80s. Everybody knows >> from then on we stayed friends. He would
01:03:49
always give me a board. He would always if I asked for some uh we went and skated Miguel's ramp once, which I was
01:03:55
not good at. >> And uh I'm so brittle that I can't believe you still will will risk falling
01:04:00
because every time I fall, it really rocks me. Um, I I think I I got accustomed to the slight pains of
01:04:07
skating, but now as I grow older, things have linger more. >> But I do find that if I stay active,
01:04:13
it's easier >> because when I did, but Dana, when I did that thing with Tiger, I was comparing
01:04:17
them because they're both like the number one in their field. >> Tiger is so driven. So, we played golf
01:04:22
that night and he was >> visibly hurt from his back operations. He wasn't He's super cool. He's great.
01:04:28
He's reading putts. He was having fun, but I could tell he's in pain. I even
01:04:32
asked him, "Would you do you think he'll ever play golf again?" Because he had
01:04:34
just got an operation. And I thought, "Maybe this is it." Why? I asked him, "I
01:04:37
don't know." That that night, next morning, he gets in the car wreck, right? So, he crushes his feet,
01:04:42
everything. He may never play again. And he starts to swing and and within a year,
01:04:48
>> he he was better than me within minutes. I go, there was a while there where I
01:04:52
was better than him because he couldn't pick up a comb. And then he goes, "I can
01:04:55
kind of I'm better than you." And I'm like, "Well, how is it that I thought it
01:04:59
would take years?" >> Yeah. and and he's so good at it that once he can just stand up on two feet,
01:05:04
he's like >> he's playing on one leg now and he was also made the cut and was doing bad
01:05:10
stuff like a week ago. >> It's infuriating. Go ahead. >> You know,
01:05:13
>> um have you ever been like upside down on your skateboard and had the thought
01:05:17
in your head like this can't be good or this isn't going to end well. >> The the first time I tried 900 Yes.
01:05:25
>> in your brain it went this isn't going to end well. I was like I don't know
01:05:28
where I am. When is when am I going to hit the wall? Oh, there it is. >> Did you ever been upside down your
01:05:34
skateboard and thought, "Why did I ever really did I ever really like this?
01:05:45
>> I think the the when I first came back to the ramp after breaking my leg, there
01:05:49
was a the moment of that." >> You ever been upside down >> when the thought popped in your head?
01:05:55
David Spay was really funny and please scan me for it. [ __ ] he said almost every day. Have you ever been upside
01:06:00
down in your skateboard and gone, "My IQ is 144. What the [ __ ] am I doing ramming
01:06:06
my thighs?" >> I had a BMX guy who was who was pro for a while, Chris Duncan say that to me
01:06:12
that he was upside down once and he said, "This can't end well." Like he
01:06:16
just knew he was out of sorts. >> Yeah. And and also you you just anticipate that hit where you're like,
01:06:22
I'm not I know that I can't prepare for it this time, so when is it coming? And
01:06:26
please make it soon. >> Do have you ever gotten kind of at an endorphin high like distance runners do
01:06:33
from skateboarding? Like a real buzz. >> Oh yeah. All the time. >> When you land something great, you're
01:06:37
just like >> anything that I land new to me. >> Okay. >> New jokes for us. No joke. It's like if
01:06:43
you do a new joke at this stage of the game, >> no joke. New joke. Have you ever been on your skateboard
01:06:52
going fast, had somebody else push a skateboard 5t away next to you and tried to jump on that skateboard?
01:06:58
>> Yeah. Uh, yeah. That's not as amazing as you would think. >> Oh, wow. I thought you were going to go,
01:07:02
"No one could do that." >> Jeez, >> Dana, I saw a guy on Instagram the other
01:07:06
day. He hits like a bump. There's a skateboard on the other side. He does a flip in the air.
01:07:09
>> I've seen that. >> That's pretty >> Yeah, that's pretty wild.
01:07:12
>> There's so many ways I can go wrong. Okay, go. >> Has anyone ever used the pun to you?
01:07:16
You're just skating by. Has anyone ever said that to you? You're skating through
01:07:19
life. >> Hey, Tony. Skating. Skating by. Huh? >> Okay. I just curious.
01:07:24
>> Skating by. >> What makes a prodigy? >> Uh, >> I guess it's determination.
01:07:30
>> I think I think a lot of determination. Discipline. >> Um, and it's just I you know it when you
01:07:38
see it. >> Mosart, right? John Benet. Yeah. All the big ones. >> Um, the biggest mistake beginning
01:07:46
skateboarders make, Tony Hawk. The biggest mistake beginner skateboarders make um
01:07:53
>> getting ahead of themselves skill-wise where they think that because they can
01:07:57
ride a skateboard that suddenly they can do some big stunt, a big set of stairs,
01:08:01
a big handrail >> and they do not have all the required elements to that and it goes horribly.
01:08:10
>> It looks easy on Instagram. D >> when you see someone make a trick, you
01:08:14
don't realize they fell 30 times. >> Fill in the blank. Tony Hawk is You don't have to answer the
01:08:22
uh a skateboarder, uh a husband, a father, and a philanthropist. >> Okay. David Spade is
01:08:31
>> He could say all those same ones. Funny skateboard. Funny skateboard. >> Funny skateboard. Not so good at
01:08:37
skateboard, but incredibly funny. >> No. No. >> Um anything. >> Let's see. Do you think evil conval
01:08:46
could have made some noise in the skateboarding world? >> Noise. >> Uh,
01:08:51
I heard inspiration to me, so by proxy. Yes. >> So you'd watch him on TV going over cars
01:08:57
with his car? >> I had the I had the wind up >> SSP. Yeah. >> Which one? Oh, okay. I know you've
01:09:07
landed the 900. And I'm just throwing this out. It's going on record. This is
01:09:10
going out all over the world. 1,200. >> Uh Mishi Brusco, uh a current pro skater, has done a 1260.
01:09:20
>> Was he young? >> Is he really young? >> Uh Tom Sh, you're thinking of Tom Shaw.
01:09:24
He did Tom Shaw did the first 1080. He was very young. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Uh this is on a bigger ramp, so more air
01:09:29
time. People somehow think that's easier. I don't think that's easier.
01:09:33
>> Asterisk, >> but uh No, it's hard. >> Brisco did a 1260, so he did three and a
01:09:38
half. >> God dang. Uh, I can't put that in my head. I hardly It's amazing. The humans
01:09:44
just want to keep >> It's amaz If you look that up, find the clip. It's worth watching
01:09:49
>> because in track and field in sprints, it's like a hundth of a second.
01:09:52
>> WORLD RECORD BY 0.001. IT'S NO, THIS is a full spin. >> That That is extraordinary. What uh
01:10:00
these these were just random ones like fear? Where does fear come into it and how do you deal with it right before you
01:10:06
go on off? want to be in an attack mode or >> uh I treat fear in more that I feel
01:10:14
confident that I have the skills to do this >> the preparation >> hope this works
01:10:19
>> hope I can land it >> yeah like I don't know what's going to
01:10:22
happen it's more like I have all the pieces to this let's put them together
01:10:25
and and I approach it with more confidence than >> than fear yeah >> have you ever done a rope swing into a
01:10:32
lake and you were the kid who would do like all kinds of triple somersaults I would No, but when I was little, I would
01:10:38
go off the high dive. >> Oh. >> Did you have vertigo at all? Did you
01:10:41
look down and go? >> Um, yeah, but I I think I just knowing that other people have done it gave me some
01:10:48
>> Seems like you would have been a good high school diver probably with this
01:10:51
sort of >> I don't think I'd be that accurate. >> You know what I mean? Like I'm down to
01:10:55
do flips, but I don't want to pencil in and >> you hit the water, but maybe I'm down,
01:11:01
you know, I'm going to make it look like a hyena. Uh, I just asked people this anyway. Did
01:11:06
you as a kid movie or television show blow your mind and make make you happy? >> Um,
01:11:14
shoot. >> For Ben Stiller, it was the Poseidon Adventure. I always get that example.
01:11:19
>> For me, it was Jason the Organ. >> Oh, for a for a TV show? Um, >> or those were movies.
01:11:25
>> Mine is probably Animal House. >> TV show would have been Little House in
01:11:28
the Prairie. That's Dave's favorite. >> I love that one. I did like it. I like I
01:11:31
had a thing for >> a huge Michael Landon fan. Has this >> Once Mary got blind, I realized she
01:11:35
couldn't realize I'm a six. So, >> yeah, >> that's a good question. I
01:11:39
>> That's all right. You can pass. You can just >> I think I I really I enjoyed Greatest
01:11:44
American Hero >> the movie was kind of Okay, so more >> like a regular dude that had superhero
01:11:52
qualities and >> that was funny and he would run into the walls and stuff like that. Okay, that
01:11:56
makes sense. >> My favorite movie in the back in the day was Fast Times. Fast times a bridge.
01:12:00
>> Yeah, because it summed up high school. >> Well, that says it all. That's perfect.
01:12:03
You were right at the age to hit that. Yeah. >> And Sean Penn. That was great.
01:12:08
>> Yeah. >> Tasty waves. Yeah. That that was that was a big comedy. >> I got to actually clarify a a line from
01:12:15
Fast Times with Sean Pence. That was a big deal. >> You did? Well, >> it's coming of age.
01:12:19
>> What was it? >> Uh people think he says, "All I need are >> tasty
01:12:25
>> is a cool buzz and tasty waves." He said, "Cool buds." Yes. Yeah. And that's
01:12:29
how I heard it. >> I got to clarify with him and that that >> he thought he said Buzz.
01:12:34
>> No, he said Buds. People think people think he says Buzz. They don't know what
01:12:37
Buds mean. I remember that line and it was buds. >> Yeah. >> Well, Tony Tony, thank you for talking
01:12:43
about SNL for an hour with us. >> Well, no, that's part B. We'll talk
01:12:48
Tony's audition for SNL. He skates on to 88. It's launch like what do you have?
01:12:54
It's called skateboarder. Dude, I I got to say it. It was a dream come true >> and it only happened recently and I was
01:13:02
so thankful. >> And you came out and did a cameo. What did you do? >> So I was I was here in LA doing p doing
01:13:10
our podcast Hawk versus Wolf. >> Hawk versus Hawk versus Wolf Wolf. Wherever you can find podcast. And it's
01:13:16
also on YouTube. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Hawk versus Wolf. And so I was I was
01:13:19
staying here doing this for a couple days in the studio in Santa Monica. >> Driving back to my hotel. It's like 6
01:13:25
p.m. and I get a call and they said, "Hey, can you make it to New York by tomorrow night?" Uh they wrote you into
01:13:32
a skit on SNL. It's Thursday. And I'm [ __ ] yeah. >> Yes, I can do that. That's for sure.
01:13:39
>> Went stayed there. Went went did my podcast with with uh Seth Rogan and went
01:13:44
straight to LAX. >> I live in San Diego. I I'm not even prepared to travel at all.
01:13:49
>> Right. You just >> and went there, bought a jacket upon landing and uh they had written me into
01:13:56
a script. Literally all I was going to do was say my name. >> Not scared at all.
01:14:02
>> You can handle that. >> Sure. Whatever it takes. It was it was a skit about the you know that whole thing
01:14:07
went viral with THE MISS UNIVERSE FRANCE. >> YEAH. >> OH, you were in that? Yeah. That's
01:14:11
right. I was going to be one of the judges of that pageant with the Property Brothers. And when it came to me to ask
01:14:18
who won, I just say my name. And honestly, when I saw the script, I thought, "This is this is it. I'm flying
01:14:25
out here. >> This is a long way to >> But also like this is my big break to
01:14:28
SNL." >> Yeah. >> Is that I get to And then they loved it in the rehearsal so much they added a
01:14:34
line for me. >> Yeah. >> Um we're writing a line for you, Tony. It'll be on the cards. Did you say
01:14:41
Lauren? So, do I have the it quality? Should I stay and be a cast? >> I did get to at the afterparty. I got to
01:14:48
actually sit with him for a few minutes. >> He's quite a quite a character.
01:14:53
>> He just says really interesting stuff. >> Tonyy's like, I know who you are.
01:14:57
>> Ah, yeah. >> He would be that he would be very very Yeah, I I know success when I see it.
01:15:04
>> David Dana didn't know how to monetize, but Tony did. Well, thank you, Tony. Tony Tony, um,
01:15:14
uh, just to sum up, yeah, your podcast is great. >> Thank you. >> And, um, all your business endeavors.
01:15:20
And I think this will be an inspiring episode. And it doesn't matter what your
01:15:24
passion is, you just have to apply yourself and focus. I always say to people, look at your feet. Don't look at
01:15:31
the fame, the money. Just look at your feet. Literally with skaters. Yeah. >> But just like, am I better today than I
01:15:37
was yesterday? and what can I do to get better no matter what you're trying to
01:15:41
do. That's what I take away. David, your takeaway is >> same thing. >> Yeah. What he said.
01:15:47
>> All right, Tony. Talking to Tony. It's good. He's a philanthropist. Does skatep
01:15:50
park uh builds them and >> foundation giving money called the skatepark project. Oh, that's right.
01:15:57
>> Safe skatep parks that >> we help uh parks in underserved areas. >> Yes. Yes. That's great.
01:16:03
>> Going for 20 years now. >> Wow. So you're >> they give skate parks that sick you make
01:16:08
them better. I don't understand how it works. >> All right. >> Tony Tony Hawk everybody.
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