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all right our guest today is the one and only Lisa kudro one of America's Sweethearts and um she has a new new show out she's in a a show called No
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Good Deed it's on Netflix and uh it's kind of fun it's very interesting I'll tell you that it's got Ray Romano in it it's got a great cast uh Linda Cardellini who I I don't
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see much and uh she's great it's a great cast and it's from the people who brought you dead to
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me that's right which was another great show on Netflix and so um looking forward to it she's a really funny
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talented actress super down to earth nice to talk to and we talk about friends and different uh relationships
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and we talk about how she grew up with John litz and she knew John when John was like a little kid that's that's very
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interesting yeah very I it was way back more than I thought farther back than I thought she did the show The Comeback we
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talk about that ROM and Michelle of course it's a classic yeah and you know she was in Analyze This she was in Boss
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baby books smart she's she pops up here and there always working always funny we
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had a great time chatting so please welcome Lisa [Music] kudro we are Dana and David you can
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figure out which one is which whenever you Dana and David okay you got it's kind of weird I'm his
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older brother from another mother do you have any doppa lers in Show Business like you know you look
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like or someone saying you know people tell me I look like you no well yeah people that come up and say oh my God everyone tells me I like oh okay but
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wait listen to this years ago I was at a restaurant waiting for someone and the hostess came over and said are you famous
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I'm not doing the accent I said um funny she said are you Deion Warwick are you I a kid a lot uh I used to get David would get me
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I would get David and then I aged out of that and then they say do you know David Spade is my latest did you know him oh
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no what do you mean I go yeah did you uh you're like are you like everybody's kid
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sister in a way kind of you look a little like my sister a little bit oh really well I mean you you know Levitz
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both of you John Levitz yes of course the one and only yes I grew up with John he and my brother are best friends David David yeah yes I've heard so much about
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this it' be interesting to hear from your point of view yes the real point of view John's um let's say eccentric dad
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you know who I met a few times and uh David's encouragement to him yeah and then you being the kid sister coming out of out of the going into show business so go ahead go you have H you have 30
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[Laughter] minutes um yeah that all sounds right yeah um well explain John then to John now just as a personality there's no
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difference that's there's absolutely no difference at 10year old John did you meet him at 10
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old they're six years older than me if I was three they were nine so you met that
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far back yeah oh I at our house all the time I mean so at home he could just walk in go to the kitchen cookie drawer grab stuff you know and he you have any
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brownies oh you don't have the uh other cookies yeah Lisa sorry about your attitude yes when when did this guy come in I mean
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the 40s guy was that there when he was like 10 or something hello well I don't remember when I was three what any but later on he was 14 yes because he would
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call up and we shared the kids shared a phone and it would be and and hello oh hello is this Lisa yeah hi John do you want to talk to
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David wait and he would do some very long bit I kept saying can I just get David can I just get David for you yeah that's just terrible always funny always
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has spin on a joke you and then wait you get older didn't you go but was he no I
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didn't you didn't get older I'm kidding was it John love it so you were like didn't you go to uh improv same place he did or no well yeah because then when I
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graduated college I told him yeah I think I'm gonna try acting now um and he said oh okay listen Okay
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the because look you know I studied in college and everywhere but the place I learned the most was the Groundlings
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that's where I learned the most you have to learn improv it's listen and responding it's the most important thing
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in acting and he was right and um and they wouldn't let me take classes because I hadn't performed or done anything since junior high school do you
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have to have a resz a little bit to get in there I don't know this was like 1985 86 you have a beginners class right and
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that's kind of you you have to audition you keep gradu I know our viewers are freaking
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out right now geez yeah I thought they were just sort sort of screening you know but they wouldn't even let me
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audition for the ground did you have as a little kid did you have any kind of Whimsy in your head like maybe maybe I'm
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funny or maybe I could do this was it was it a secret or did you tell your parents you tell David or or was it just
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no I I mean yeah as a kid I did want to act I thought yeah I did and my family everyone was funny and I was the youngest so I was the least funny how
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many kids uh three okay yeah five in five in ours I had three older brothers and a
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younger sister funny parents yeah were you the funny one or was were everybody everybody was funny but that was more my specialty because I was doing Little
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impressions oh yeah in the early 60s gross attention seeker uh I was an introverted extroverted an extrovert introvert I see you as kindred spirit I don't think
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you're you're on or I don't see you as always on you know no no no no I'm not always on but when you're on you're funny as hell oh thanks well there's
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evidence Hunter we've got some evidence let's look at it let's go to the tape season five of friends go to the phon you've lost your bicycle the exit is
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breathtaking no but I also would imitate um Lily Tomlin doing Edith Anne oh my gosh of course I would you know like I would I would offer my entertainment
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services at school I I offered to go from class to class I worked out with like scarves to do like the dream tevia dream from Fiddler on the road oh yikes
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and I offered graciously you pitch this to a teacher classrooms SK I put together this thing should I just do it for the class and
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she went sure and I did and I said now I could do this for all the other classes I've got my bath and I can go like what
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was wrong with me yeah something's wrong or how wonderful how wonderful that's how I look at it like be so confident
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you know and she went sure go to CL she's like kill five minutes of class I don't care like were you consistently confident throughout the grades did you have years where you're the star and
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other years you're a little down or was it just consistently you were like one of the most popular Co kids I don't
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think I was one of the most popular I mean in grade school I was confident and yeah I had friends and I was like I'm
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gonna start a David Cassidy fan club everyone's invited and the moms would come everyone talked to me like I was an
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adult I didn't understand but everyone treated me like I was a little older and I think it's because of my brother and sister sister and being older and I had
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their I stole their sense of humor and their jokes and you know I was going to say that because I was going to say I'm
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three boys in our family and I have to say there's everyone's a little bit funny and I'm more like a research paper
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like a compilation because you can always borrow like from your life so this happened with Chris Farley like his brothers would go that that thing he does is mine it's like well he got on TV
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and he's reaching for straws at a certain point he's like that thing was funny that and you know yeah he had the
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guts to take it public yeah most people aren't using it actively so you just go I can borrow what my mom says you know it's like it's funny to me but so you're like yeah you got little things here and
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your parents were funny is that what you said yeah my dad was very funny yeah he bigal he was really funny
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and uh that makes it fun to be fun or try to make him laugh when you're little yeah well I mean I didn't make anyone
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laugh oh but um you know sadly I thought you were killing it at school with the at school yeah at school oh at school tougher Crow did your brother ever put
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you in a sleeping bag and then tie it off and leave you there no oh well that happened to my wife so I was just
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curious no no David's no my they were good to me I mean unless everyone was fighting you know but for the most because I mean didn't siblings always try to kill each other it felt like yeah
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most of my childhood with three older brothers was cut it out yeah cut it out stop
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yeah uh but mostly it was rough and tumble fun I mean we we had movies that were touchstones because there was no VCRs or anything you know if what was your like my sister was obsessed with
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Splender in the grass with LA batty and Natalie Wood oh and it came on once a year and she commandeered the television
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did did you have stuff in your formative years that was just mind-blowing besides your crush on David Cassidy which my
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wife also had a mad Crush yeah Cassie I did um I played David Cassie on an SNL right wow you played everything on an SNL
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sketch very well by the way so much fun yeah um but uh my sister you know she's the oldest she's eight years older than me
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and and she she would we would watch Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver yes reruns and she had to sneak Leave it to Beaver because my father
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when she was younger wouldn't let her watch it because that's [ __ ] that's not what people are like that's not what
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a family is stop it yeah that's pretty advanced in because they were too nice to each other yeah they were too like formal and nice oh well gee well gee
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whiz like that infuriated him well golly Wally yeah that guy was the original Garth I just figured out and I have the same birthday as Jerry Mathers but oh really he kind of talked like G didn't
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he hey goly Wy I don't know what you're doing by the way and the matters lived in our neighborhood and Shawn matters was in my class whoa the younger younger
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brother of Jerry yeah I always sort of you seem a little more you just always seem very together to me that's why people feel like you're older when you're younger because something about
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you seem like you're very together and suffer no fools so I oh I yeah I don't know but you've suffered some fools along the way I think I'm generous with fools you two right here well well
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you've been generous to me so far I won't connect the dots no I've been nervous to do this because you guys are
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are legends crazy oh good yeah um has anyone called you a legend yet the Legend come no nobody not even John not
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to my face no yeah no John certainly hasn't but John's been very sweet and generous and good I have to say I think proud of PR to tell the story and I said
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do this and do this and then she went there you know he loves to be the person advising it's a a role that he really
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enjoys he loves that story I've heard so much defitely talk your brother David on
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the phone a few times where John has put him on say hello to David he's a doctor it's May West it's 1940s I mean it's both but anyway it's
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it's nice to have someone that's in the business that you could ask questions to like Saturday live is a huge deal you're
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just auditioning and then you you're like what's it like just doing this or just auditions and readings and you know
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I don't know how to cold read like when I started I had no one really to go to it's good to have someone it's been there yeah well I mean the good thing
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John said was Groundlings listen respond don't take them personally because some
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of them are kind of unhappy and that was true I saw that I saw because then he got on Saturday Night Live and there were one or two groundings because I thought you know it's okay to say like
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so what brought you here I said oh well I grew up with John Levitz and and they went oh okay oh yeah so bitter that he
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not on Saturday oh bitter and envious you know that is the thing about show business no matter
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what except Murphy or something most of us needed a break or had something had to happen yeah um and there's Whimsy to
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that and you know people I know so many standups great standups not famous had good careers in the clubs but just didn't get did some Pilots went on The Tonight Show but didn't get that little
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turn so it breeds um weirdness right so why not me or that wasn't deserved if someone else got it and I didn't which is I that
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always has that always mystified me like what do you mean I mean even if you think it's all luck then you know why not them and not you this time how about
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you just think this time I used to go on showcases at The Improv like Dana did like they'd say we're gonna bring a cat
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they're doing a sitcom whatever they're going to look at they want to look at 10 comics and this is sort of the look
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female male whatever and we do it and someone would get it and I'd always be practicing going why them just in case I
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didn't get it and then uh but it's true like it's like it's hard to complain when it's an even playing field like you
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all went on in front of them yeah and they go that one and you go wait how do I figure out how I'm the victim here
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I'll figure it out though and all you can control is trying to get better it sounds like a Hallmark movie but all you
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can control is just try to get better yourself [Music] did you have nightmare auditions before friends that humiliated you and made you
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think maybe it's not going to happen no not the auditions didn't make me think it's not going to happen but but I had
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one nightmare audition I finally I was so excited because I got to audition for Larry
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Sanders with Gary Shandling great and then whoever else was in the room and I thought okay great I know I'll improvise a little too and yeah and I think and I
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I don't remember exactly what I did but I scared uh Gary I know that what was there sides or did he just do his thing of I'll say something like this and you say something like that I
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don't I'm trying to remember because I was just sort of the character was Janine
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Garo ultimately did it which is right well that was there for full-time character yeah and I remember um cuz I
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knew how to audition I had a great cold reading class and audition class which was just you're not there to make
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friends you're not there to chitchat you're there to do the audition be polite and everything and then just get
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going and so it sort of I said something and he Gary made sort of like a joke and I
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played along as an improviser with the sort of like oh now we're in a fight you know what I mean something I
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see yeah and um and he just went okay should we read it and I said yeah absolutely yeah we did it and he said okay well thank
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you and we'll we'll we'll be in touch and I went all right thank you very much and I walked out I'm walking down the hall I heard the door open and I turned around and he was
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there going oh okay bye-bye we will be in touch we really will and I was that I thought what did I
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scare him what happened what did I do I was playing oh they didn't know I was playing is that what did you ever run
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into Gary after friends and everything and he does he remember did he ever remember that I forgot to ask him but I
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did run into him um I ran into him after we had our first day of auditions for this HBO show I did called The Comeback oh yes and HBO and Chris alre and
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Carolyn Strauss they had no idea what we were pitching just write it we wrote it and they said we still don't get it why
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don't we just shoot it because back when you're Michael pantri King who I was working with Texas City we'll just shoot a pilot okay great so when we had the
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auditions for The Pilot that's the first time they saw me as the character because it didn't read right on the page like it was hilarious but then they saw
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me doing it and um so after that I went to something I can't remember what and Gary Shanley was there anyone oh I talked to Chris alre today he says
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he said you're brilliant oh that's good to know that's really good yeah and I thought oh good so yeah I didn't feel like bringing up I
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think they scared you yeah I think that was smart I mean Gary was a really complicated and he was he was hard
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harder on himself than anybody else and I was doing Larry Sanders once I did it a few times and he just writes on a
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piece of paper and just hands it to me you know between takes and it just says I hate
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myself funny but it was just yeah um torture comeback was also like it was sort of like a curb type that was type that type right it wasn't
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improvised at all oh it wasn't it seemed like that's of the camera stuff maybe it
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was like that it was sort of like handeld something Cinema ver the office did it kind of yeah it was right after
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the British off the office oh right oh before there was one before the American office what's going on you know nothing you are nothing
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sorry you can't get you can't ever get him out of his last Golden Globes you cannot get that out of your mind it's
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one of the Great Moments in television when he says you know nothing you are nothing thank your God and [ __ ] off and
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now the show anyway when you do the comeback do you so that is that it looks like it's right after friends so yeah was right after friends and it's with uh you said Saxon City Patrick King is that
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Michael Patrick King yeah and so you you get to that must it must have felt fun a
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to do something new and to do something sort of a little loose and a little rougher on the edges right maybe and it
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was something no one had seen before it was meant to just be raw footage from a reality show um so that you can see just the Folly of this woman
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thinking she's gonna control it it's her show and you know um just throwing herself into a meat grinder for to stay in the spotlight yes um yeah and not
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understanding what a reality show actually is and that was before Housewives there was just Anna Nicole
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and uh the osborns the Osborne seemed like the first one I remember that went huge yeah yeah that was an inspired idea at the time it was it was very interesting I think people would talk a
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lot about it because it was just it's always great when you get idea a little bit out of the blue that everyone goes
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oh okay yeah yeah no that was very it was that was very very rewarding I have to say I mean because you done the six season whatever you did all that with the live audience which brings its it's
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rock and roll and all its pressure and then you do this whole new thing it must have felt really good like oh yeah I can
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also do this just so you know it was a different tone yeah and luckily while I was doing friends I was doing
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independent films a lot which was fun because there are no Stakes at all yeah and uh yeah you know especially in your day job as friends yes oh darn I hope it does well we have
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one to go back see you guys in 26 weeks in fact I thought and when I'm done with friends I mean I'll just do independent
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films and then they went away because and now it's all Liv live streaming in a sense that's streaming yeah you're might as well bring it up no
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good deed oh yeah Ray Romano who was on this podcast oh yeah we love Romano that
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must have been fun yeah he he's a gentle giant like I was surpr how self-deprecating he is and how open he is because he's a big guy you know yeah
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and he does not wear that on his sleeve at all he's just very real yeah he claims to be insecure and you know well
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and he Pro he might be but we were talking once and I said but you're not mean to anybody like a most insecure performers find someone or something to
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blame everything on right like oh yeah you didn't give me the right lines or you know yeah that stuff or some stooge
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to [ __ ] on occasionally and just little put Downs yeah you leverage their power
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over you know that that character right he but that's not Ry doesn't do that and he said oh no that's because I I think
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I'm to blame for everything also I think he really sinks into these things he's not just doing it to kill time like we were doing the Mirage Dana knows we were doing like a both of us
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were not sort of residency doing standup but he gets into like these Indie movies and like this thing it's just good
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little things and he really puts a lot of heart and soul into them it feels like to me yeah and and wants them all
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really to do well like really into it instead of just like I'll do this I'll do a week on this if you pay me it's
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more like let's get into it nail it yeah yeah no I think he has a reason for everything he chooses to do mhm yeah you
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had a Luke on there I was just watching in the other room because I hadn't seen it I go oh shoot let's go check it out
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and I was there's Luke and there's uh everywhere you turned I was like oh good oh Dennis lirry I saw oh yeah and and uh
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how fun he used to be uh I used to know him a little more in the old days but so how fun is it that's that's a fun thing
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to do and you did it for and it's on right now because I'm watching it right now yeah on Netflix it's on net now and
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will you introduce the premise I I research the premise of the show which is very interesting me yeah yeah you oh
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yeah okay I could do it but I it's tough to explain I there's a couple who uh empty nesters they're selling their house and um right so far
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seems I know it seems to be yeah the details we get into later there's some Secrets yeah surrounding the house and their life
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there and then you have the people who come to the open house and desperately want this house and whatever is going on in their life that somehow intersects
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each story couple yeah and the producer of dead to me which had its own I I love that show I
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did too I and I thought uh whoever is the Mind behind that and also Christine alade and yeah the name of her partner was so good is also on this Linda calini
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yeah I yes is always phenomenally good always phenomenal um always and so I'm assuming the sensibility overlap different storyline different everything but I did see one of the clips where
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you're in the kitchen and you're kind of waving the what knife around yeah he goes Put The Knife down and it was just
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very smart dry weird but real kind of dialogue yeah like just put the knife down what I'm going to stab you you so I saw uh kind of the tone in that moment
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you know yeah yeah I think we kind of played with that one Ray and I sure oh good they're taking advantage of that you sort of Let's Make It Real and surprise ourselves in the moment well
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it's nice if they trust you to let you you know and aren't to like but no the script you know I don't think people listening know that it's not always the case to have the gift of running with
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something sometimes it's script script script move on and then you go do you want me to try something they're like
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nope we're good yeah like so when you see it it always feels looser if you just feel a little more into it if take advantage of the digital cameras I mean going back for just a second on
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chandling he had three 16 mimer cameras on shoulder so there was single on me single on him and a two shot so every take was its own take every take could
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be improvised overlapped it was all there every time and so I just wondered did they have a camera on Ray and a
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camera on you or was it uh they go well that was a good impro improv uh can you repeat it well come around on you or
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they manag to shoo so just I think there were two cameras and we may have done it more
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than once because we did it probably did it once and then it was yeah do that thing again I think I don't have a good
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memory for that stuff because once I'm done I move on no none now you know when you when this thing comes about do you does it perk up your ears because of the
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dead to me part of it like though this is this person did this so you're already sort of intrigued and then you
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want to read it and then you're more intrigued is that is that sort of the way it goes it should have been but
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actually it was it was so this is something exciting we think said the agents it's um they said a limited series on Netflix and it's Liz Feldman
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who did I said dead to me I know who that is I love that show yes and playing your husband would be Ray Romano and I went wanted to work with Ray Romano oh
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my God that's been like a dream it's like well dreams come true um and so far Linda Cardellini is in it and I went what that yeah work with Linda so I said
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I guess I should read it but do I have to because it's yes do I have to it's already and did you have to yeah no it's a good thing I read it because I read
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the first episode and then I had a meal with Liz where I had a lot of questions and I went I'm basically saying yes to
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what has my character done I'm not sure we leave it did you have a read through did you get every
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when everyone got together did you read the pilot in a room yeah I always find that I haven't done that much of it very
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nerve-wracking because like you know she's gonna bring it man are you kidding me we got the A Team here you're
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thinking what's the puzzle how am I gonna say these lines well that's yeah that's how I felt that is EXA everyone
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usually is nervous at that thing everyone's nervous yeah well because also I mean young people get nervous too
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because they weren't around in the days when you would do a read through at a pilot and then get
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fired based on the poor performance in the read through I've been in a pil they don't even do that many read throughs anymore and what should I do but when I was I read for this pilot
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it's was like basic ABC whatever and then they go read through is great and the next day they're like Hey where's
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this guy oh they got fired there's a new person playing them I'm like from yesterday what happened read through
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they're like oh they bombed I'm like they did like you don't even notice you're like what are they looking at I
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don't even know that's what scares me like how about a rehearsal and a run through yeah to see if they bombed yeah
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let's see give them one more goddamn swing at it like it's terrifying you hired them yeah from something quick
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decisions it's oh and then what was your first day of shooting with Ray did you have your scripts in your hand let's
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let's get it on its feet people are quiet everybody all right we got Lisa number one number two are going to run
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lines all right go ahead anytime going to mark this one and then you do it five times in a row there's a little titters
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from the crew and then less and less and then finally just dead silence ready to shoot it your confidence is to We Beat
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It To Death let's shoot it yeah beat it to death will be the sequel to No Good Deed Beat It To Death dead to me no good deed Beat It To Death that's so that's
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funny I wanted to make it clear for your listening audience yeah well we won't give too much more away of that but uh titles are tough but it's on Netflix right now yeah and all eight shows are
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available you can binge it tonight if you want and it is good I mean it is bingeable someone was talking about the other night and then it's got like 89%
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of Rotten Tomatoes yeah it got 102% Rotten Tomatoes yeah it's it's it's fabulous extra tomatoes came
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in I want to ask you a little bit about Romy and Michelle because I know you get
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it a lot but uh it's such a such a big one especially when it came out and you must still hear
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about it all the time it was such a cool one you still have Halloween costumes girl I love it when when you do
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something that's a Halloween costume it's so fun yeah yeah that is fun and when was that what was that was
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97 is that it said 97 yeah uh maybe 96 movie that's right around when movies were like such it's so
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had to do opening weekend wow it was number two it was amazing even my looks like it was number one I don't know Titanic something with a car chase
00:32:39
in it I think I don't know Fast and Furious one that was before Titanic the Vin Diesel story it was a doc yeah but I remember doing talk shows for that and it was um like you know what I like
00:32:53
about this Jay Leno actually who's very nice and yeah and well I'll say it and then you can he'll do J um and he said you know what I like about this that
00:33:04
it's it's two women but it's not you're not man bashing you know it's just it's two women and you're funny and it's fun
00:33:10
and it's not against [Laughter] men you know I like about this and that you know you're not man bashing you know it's just two women having fun you're not bashing the men and it's just a
00:33:22
great little movie you know I mean I I thought it was tremendous I thought it was tremendous there was no man fashing at all I'll say it one more time and
00:33:28
then I'll let you talk no man bashing in the whole thing you know you got to be careful with the man bashing because you
00:33:34
don't know what you going to I got a little silly that's so funny but I mean yeah
00:33:43
but it wasn't about men it's a big victory that was that's that was your Victory listen we didn't man bashing was
00:33:52
Louise men back I'm thinking were there were abusive men and predatory men oh yeah oh in that way so tellman we had Brad Pit seducing Sarah SAR Susan Saran
00:34:05
or something or but they were escaping a bad husband another okay it's as if like
00:34:12
right that's not fair because that never happens yeah wait no it happens a lot I
00:34:19
mean like this quite a bit where the estranged husband is not happy and he has a weapon right I mean if woman yeah who's her husband who's her
00:34:30
boyfriend you know that's the first place you look but um y but it was just funny to me that it still needed to be
00:34:38
contextualized like in relation to men yeah yes yeah and uh it was very you know what I get about most of my comedies is you know what I like it's so [ __ ] dumb that's
00:34:51
what we need yeah but we do I know I love it believe me I'm doing one right now um it's hard but R thank you was clever cute fun and a smart little comedy that
00:35:06
you know and then I don't know so you do it and you don't I don't you might not expect a lot you don't know what to expect it does well right I expect a lot
00:35:12
it did fine it could have done better if it weren't rated R oh was it rated R oh
00:35:19
PG-13 is the way to go I thought that was a huge mistake and it was that movie I don't remember one thing about it Galo said [ __ ] off I think two times or three
00:35:32
times or something one and you get an R I think and the big stand was I'm not changing Janine gara's [ __ ] offs and I
00:35:40
went I don't think she'd mind think she wouldn't care if it's holding back another million it's like 40% of the of the net profit what are you g to do
00:35:52
unless it's just a cause make a movie called [ __ ] off you know and do that the
00:35:57
it I 14-year-old girls would have gone maybe more than once toie by themselves to would come over and over because they all wanted to be those characters I
00:36:10
watched it and when I heard R I went okay who do you think this movie's for though yeah 100% I can't 30y old men
00:36:22
right who goes over and over you get lucky they go over and over and that's young women would have gone to see that
00:36:27
yeah I thought that was a mistake personally th% my God PG-13 is the move remember Greece is the move PG-13 is the move but I don't know I don't know Grace is the word grace is the word have you
00:36:39
like so you you grew up in the 90s as a star I'm sorry gree is the move it's the
00:36:46
move it's the move okay um yeah John travol was an incredible businessman I think he got he got he got some publishing on that and also on uh cuz he
00:36:59
he came around and hung out he's a super nice guy prob the nicest guy in Show Business potentially I've ever met I
00:37:06
mean we all went to we all went to Bruce uh no Tom hanks's birthday party up at um in up on uh whatever the planetarium
00:37:16
in oh Griffith Park Observatory and everyone was there and you you'd say hello to someone you could tell they're
00:37:23
like oh my God I'm talking to you right now but Springsteen's over there they were panic you know so and travolto just
00:37:29
wanted to hang out with us and talk about airplanes cuz I have a fear of flying he goes you know their planes
00:37:35
only as safe as its maintenance you know but anyway he was just a great he is a great guy guy like I always see that picture of his house with a 747 in the
00:37:47
driveway I made it big because he pulls out he goes going to work H 7:47 yeah in 707 707 from 19 longer but
00:38:00
yes yeah I flew on his plane oh you did and he was flying it I did a movie with himar what was it what was the name of the movie fever no yeah yes you don't
00:38:13
remember me um Michael the angel the Angel movie no no no no no but Nora Efron directed it was called lucky numbers I think what was it called I'm
00:38:25
looking to see if I have anything but anyway it didn't do well the one Norah Efron John travolto movie God dang nor too it didn't do well but I got to work
00:38:38
with him and he is the nicest yeah something about him so because it's it's not about him yeah and he
00:38:49
didn't like how big he was I've always found it was interesting that Tarantino because he he did the talking dog moov movies with Kirsty Al but he was like he was baby the talking baby
00:39:02
yeah talking baby and he was so so huge with Urban Cowboy and all oh then Tarantino you know the studio is like you know you want Travolta really you
00:39:14
know and he said he knew because he would walk around La with Travolta and it was still stop traffic people would
00:39:21
swarm goodl looking tall St but what about Sate fever and gree almost back to back and you go I think it was back to
00:39:27
back and and the hugest hit and then another monster hit both with music both crazy right and then Urban Cowboy and then and then face off and then face
00:39:40
off huge everything talking everything I mean yeah and then Pulp Fiction kind of
00:39:48
put him in this other kind of lane and then he went from there but anyway yeah uh John if you're listening you're
00:39:53
always welcome to come on and we'll just talk about yeah a Deborah wing will say what what was what was that all
00:40:00
about that's iring Cowboy yeah I saw your ont stupid Instagram I saw your um Urban Cowboy with de Winger sketch and you played roller like two days ago and
00:40:12
uh that was I'm talking to Dana and then Lisa I saw I even forgot that I did oh with Deborah Winger yeah friends friends is so big I saw a Instagram today about
00:40:23
you guys splitting a check and I saw it an hour before this I'm like splitting a
00:40:28
check well you were like in the in the real show you're trying you're deciding it was show 10869 oh yes 10869 yes that one was a
00:40:40
great one that was one of the good ones yeah and uh you're deciding what to pay and I'm like it's still I mean you don't
00:40:46
have to talk about it too much but it still keeps going and going we don't yeah it does it does the gift he keeps
00:40:52
giving did you ever wear a disguise like at Peak friends of too famous too famous did you ever did any of the cast ever wear disguise not
00:41:03
that I know of yeah okay no I don't think so I mean also it wasn't so bad for me because I'm I'm married to a person who's not in this
00:41:16
business so there's no sort of interest in there wasn't any interest in how's that couple doing [Laughter] oh out there with the tabl so you're not
00:41:29
on Daily Mail a lot I've noticed and is that a disappointment at all no don't follow you we all you kind of think everyone's out in the tabloids but it's really kind of similar characters a lot
00:41:42
and then you realize oh so many people are not pursuing that path of celebrity uh
00:41:49
within their career and you forget about them you forget they even exist yeah just their work you know yeah that's
00:41:56
okay too yeah some lean into it and some some you can't totally avoid it but some
00:42:02
really lean into it and some tip off more people tip off and regular people no because really are they at the
00:42:09
bowling alley and there's five photographers there like why and also there are certain restaurants if you go
00:42:15
to them no there will be Paparazzi there yeah they they'll call then to be fair there are some people and you know if
00:42:22
something's going on in your life you know they just stalk you yeah they wait in front of the house to to yeah see where you're going to go and what you're going to do that's definitely legit yeah
00:42:35
that that that does happen I think to a lot of people for sure that's hor horrible you know you the um to be nice
00:42:43
to people don't know what show business is and they're you're at some school function and they sadle up and hey how
00:42:49
do you how do you make that friends type show you know what do you what do you you know those kind of nice sweet people
00:42:55
are really just interested in wanting to say the right thing they just you know well we rehearse a lot I didn't get a
00:43:02
lot of that but you know what I get a lot of oh yeah I don't know I didn't watch uh that show why did they always say that really want to let you know and
00:43:14
I always say oh sure yeah I know a lot of people there are plenty of people who you know didn't watch TV it's like no I
00:43:21
mean I watched okay I liked Seinfeld a lot but and one time it was and it's a good friend too who said but that was that was more of a that was more of a girl show wasn't it
00:43:35
friends no I don't think so was it you know I asked my husband he's like no it was small guys too three of us were guys yeah some people liked Wayne's
00:43:46
World it wasn't my cup of tea I'll tell you that who no has anyone ever oh yeah you just get all kind I guess you get all kinds oh yeah no I don't watch those kinds of movies
00:43:57
not my thing you know but I guess I guess some people really did like it are you from Canada I think so I have I'll
00:44:03
have to check my driver's L but um yeah it's uh show is just a a funny thing and
00:44:09
when you get inside of it you you just see all the how the gears move and the security and you know you're on a sound stage somewhere and it looks all greasy and ugly and stupid and then you see it
00:44:21
later in the film it's all shiny and yeah color corrected and so it's it's a show think there are people who just
00:44:28
want to let you know like I'm not a fan so you can trust me yeah I'm not right I don't want anything I don't want anything I'm not a fan I couldn't care less that you were famous and on TV
00:44:40
I just like you I don't care about celebrities as the number one person that cares about celebrities that's the first Telltale and do you host
00:44:47
fundraisers do you do that kind of stuff I have for things I'm involved in you know yeah yeah I do that do you have do you have shtick do you have like you
00:44:59
don't always thing from grade school yeah T's dream everybody Dana when I was on just shoot me it was right around the time of friends and yeah when I heard they were
00:45:13
getting Favored Nations I was hoping it meant all sitcoms so we'd all get the same whatever they got turns out it was not no that was hard to
00:45:25
get oh yeah well I mean they wanted nothing more than for us to split up and divide and
00:45:31
conquer whoever whoever thought of that was was smart keep keep the team yeah you know it was Courtney or Schwimmer depending on I'm thinking who
00:45:42
you're talking to yeah but Courtney's pretty smart yeah about stuff she worked a little she I don't know her trajectory exactly I remember from the Springsteen videos when she rocketed out you know
00:45:57
right she probably may had a little more experience well she was on Family Ties and then she was a right but I think the first minute she made any money she bought a house and then was flipping
00:46:10
houses and I think maybe more doing that if I had money I love when show bus's people leverage their income and make money
00:46:22
yeah and take care of themselves she is so smart I mean ALS also just like with blocking we would block scenes and you'd be stuck and Courtney would say well you should just stand over there and you do
00:46:33
that and that way it's easier and and she was always right you need somebody she was also the
00:46:40
one when we were first like shooting the pilot or I don't know if it was then or got picked up she said listen y'all I
00:46:46
did Seinfeld they help each other all the time like if you think I could be doing something funnier tell me you got
00:46:54
to tell me and we need to help each other out so that set a tone that I think carried through the whole 10 years for us that's really cool yeah otherwise it
00:47:09
can get you know I mean David you've been on shows where it can get tense among casts don't
00:47:18
normally love each other also if things happen or someone gets more money or someone gets more jokes or some there's
00:47:24
always trouble even photo shoots are weird sometimes yeah so many little things you
00:47:30
don't see coming and you go itchy itchy yeah but you're all H and know it was it
00:47:36
was different sorry go ahead I was saying like and just shoot me even though it wasn't obviously friend show
00:47:42
but we did about seven years and and and George seagull Wendy M we had all done stuff yeah and also had good and bad things and so Evan was like at a point
00:47:53
where like we're really lucky so it was a little easier to get through it all because we appreciated it we were like
00:48:00
hey this could to go away tomorrow and so I think it might be harder for you guys because when you're one of your
00:48:08
first things if not your first thing is so monstrous yeah I don't know how you think nothing else could be like this
00:48:13
it's too good you go and then I'll do this and it'll be it then it just it just seems a weird weird world to to
00:48:20
deal with yeah I mean we did all fully appreciate that was the other rare thing CU we we would check in and check each other all the time you know um and we
00:48:39
had to answer to each other if we were going to create a disturbance you know like I got to do this is that all right with you guys if I leave early and my stand in does that you
00:48:51
know it was it was it was great to be accountable everyone was accountable to everybody else and then we'd all go off and like they'd let us which was really nice go do a movie and you know you come
00:49:04
back and shoot your pickups of stuff and and everyone would say well I'll tell you one thing movie making is for the [ __ ] Birds because no one's running up offering me
00:49:16
a sandwich there here great craft service and you know we rehearse most of the time the more you do unreal yeah it's like the more you do it the more you get paid and the fewer
00:49:31
hours I think it was either David's Spade or Tony Danza that told me that he got it down to 17 hours I don't know it was not straight a week you know just
00:49:42
for the read through the thing the blocking just um Will and Grace got pretty tight they were across from us
00:49:49
and uh and they got very I was jealous I'm going to lunch they're all lit driving away in their Porsches I'm like guys this is a half day they like no
00:49:55
this is our whole day and I'm like you're joking wow well I think also they had Jim Burrows most of them
00:50:03
right so yeah I mean they knew what they were doing and then they probably had early run
00:50:10
throughs yeah early run throughs the writers like it right they write a draft you you run it through and then they
00:50:16
they don't really need you for a while like okay now we're going to go work it falls on them but at first they would
00:50:22
have us do the run throughs at like 5 because they wanted to be in the writer's room
00:50:27
most of the day and then come see it but then they'd have to do all the rewrites that night so then they'd be up really
00:50:38
[Music] late we got ours down at 1:00 on like a Wednesday to shoot on Friday and then so
00:50:44
you come in rehearse go through everything once run through and you split but did you do a Monday read
00:50:49
through or a first day readr whenever you shot we did we did the first seven years I think and then they had we also would shoot they'd have a start at like 6 or
00:51:03
seven at night on a Friday how late you go till like two in the morning oh [ __ ]
00:51:10
really yeah and it it took six hours to shoot our CH shoot our show um they did a lot of rewrites because the
00:51:23
audience I guess would get tired of a joke so oh okay well maybe I don't know they just wanted it to be as good as it could be we have hair and makeup changes sometimes you know I don't know busload
00:51:34
of Youth prisoners in the audience they would go hey they didn't like it I'm like well we liked it all week we can't
00:51:40
totally go by them I know I would think it's a there this is for a television audience though yeah it's not the people
00:51:47
that would come here yeah and also you guys had more pressure because it's a bigger it's probably a little more
00:51:52
overthought because it's a big deal how does this fit in people like this joke I could see that going a little longer it
00:52:00
it took I mean it was sort of notorious for taking a lot of time to would you get
00:52:08
fidgety no no and luckily we were all you know young so and you knew it was your hard night you know ahead of time this is going to be the yeah and we knew but to it got to me when I was pregnant
00:52:20
and felt like I had a flu for seven months and then to be there 2 in the morning it was that was that's tough a little too tough my husband had to come
00:52:31
drive me home a couple times sure I get it and then I think we just said how about we start earlier someone got that where was Courtney earlier
00:52:42
yeah yeah and and we were told yeah I don't know if we can get the audience and Friends really people can get off work
00:52:54
if they have tickets to the show and people fly here on vacation to see the show for pretty sure so we would we
00:53:03
started earlier and then um we'd have two audiences oh you oh wow no one can sit
00:53:12
for that long and watch you throw [ __ ] jelly beans Pizza piz is the stock thing that goes out yeah I yeah the audience warm-up guy that guy gets
00:53:24
burned out oh can you imagine six hours he had to keep everybody I would hear it
00:53:30
they'd go hey and there's David Spade come say hi and I'm like don't make me come I'm running my life ybaa do and
00:53:36
then they say hey do this and then but you know you feel for the crowd would you would you I'd go over yeah yeah
00:53:43
because they they're there they're super tired I don't even know if we gave him Pizza I don't know what happened this guy had a million six hours oh yeah we had to give him Pizza give him something
00:53:54
let him live a hard candy a butterscotch wasn't going to be enough I don't think
00:54:00
we got a bowl of Skittles don't forget it's at the bottom of the stairs Skittles don't go crazy though when when
00:54:08
did Peak TV end I mean was Big Bang Theory the last water cooler show or was it friends or I think the maybe it was the last kind of big big Network sitcom
00:54:21
I think soens now you get like maybe eight 800 people or whatever it is they best been renewed with a 1.1 0.8 yeah amazing but I think they
00:54:34
want more to try to make multi cameras work again just because you know it's on a stage it's not as expensive to shoot and it travels really well something
00:54:47
about it works it's been working for years it's been working for 50 years so 60 70 like it can but you know what it
00:54:54
always seemed to me things that didn't work we're usually missing um funny people and good jokes right
00:55:05
good joke writers you know need it it's pretty basic good it works you know it is basic but family was a good big one
00:55:14
too that was one of the yeah but it wasn't in front of an audience it wasn't oh that's right that's right that's and
00:55:20
it also had the docu sitch you're like and also that's not really what we're talking about
00:55:26
right now and I'm like yep I just kep what documentary is this yeah I know who's watching this 10year documentary about this dumb family I've been in
00:55:37
situations on a movie where the the the Brain Trust is around the camera and there's a take and they're beside
00:55:43
they're bent over like it's the funniest thing and I go we're so [ __ ] it's over
00:55:49
the brain or dailies they used to have the Brain Trust is like oh my God you're like no this is death you can tell
00:55:56
bombing bomb but although I have to say I'm not a great judge like when I see something and I think GH that's too broader I don't know if that's very good
00:56:07
and then it's you know the audience's favorite thing that's ever happened ever happened there is that element of Comedy
00:56:14
where you're like really that was the one that killed yeah or you do a show like a movie and you go I remember some
00:56:20
movies I did where I go this was the scene that tested the highest just cuz it's like one shot but when people watch
00:56:25
it for 10 years like a Romy Michelle type of movie some of my movies they go these are my favorite things and I'm
00:56:31
like it's not what it was the first time when it came out it's it switches like they see it so many times now they like
00:56:36
this and like that the real throwaway jokes and that kind of stuff yeah but initially the big jokes are like the
00:56:43
easiest ones to to get yeah after the movie they go did you like that one and everyone goes sure and they're like okay that's your favorite scene all right we're going to fill out
00:56:55
our card today it's a scale of one to five and just uh you know remember what we talked about remember what we talked about earlier and uh thanks for
00:57:05
participating and uh we're sure all appreciate it what yeah what what's a word of David
00:57:12
Spade's character stupid okay well that's not one of the choices uh we're gonna have you just write them down on your card and hand them in to the front if you thought the dog was cute we have
00:57:23
another special card to put it on exactly those all that's exactly what those test screenings are I know who
00:57:30
would you want to see more of yeah who should we cut out of the movie and fire immediately uh Lisa thank you for talking to us we'll let you go it's very very nice to have a long chat with you
00:57:41
no good deed No Good Deed thanks Netflix now we enjoyed it Lisa see you around campus they say all right bye bye this has been a presentation of Odyssey
00:57:55
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