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Okay, welcome to the show, Dana, and uh I want to tell you a lot. Pleasure to be on the David Spade show
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once again. I would not change channels. Okay, what's what's your My first big question is, and this is
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what a lot of people are talking about this week, is this sweatshirt purple? I say yes. Well, it depends on your monitor. If it is purple,
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it's an extremely dark navy blue purple. Oh my god. It might be navy blue. You're
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right. It is navy blue. Navy. Oh my god. Navy. You dra navy. It's a purpley navy.
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Oh, Heather's trying to help me. She purpley. You It's a navy blue. I mean, obviously
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I have a green jacket on, right? Color blind. I mean, I think I'm color blind because this has happened twice.
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Mhm. I'm not really color blind, but I can't see colors. Right. So, it doesn't mean you're blind. You just you're you see weird colors.
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I think this is what people do. They go I think they say super smart people are color blind.
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I love when they put that connection. People with itchy feet have a photographic memory.
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Yeah. You know, people with itchy skin are like geniuses. Okay. I want to jump in quickly, Dana,
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and get your quick thoughts. I don't know if you caught it. Nikki Glazer, friend of the show.
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Yes. Nikki Glazer. First of all, I am doing a tour, Dana. I'm going back on tours, so go to davidpay.com if you if
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you can. The dates are there. I saw them. The dates are there. Going all over different cities. And I also do
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something with Nikki at Caesars next year. We're doing a little mini residency. So,
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I watch her on SNL, right? Yes. Sweet. So, she hosted. So, Nikki had a great monologue. Very long. They're good about comedians. They give them extra. Yes. Because you know when you're there
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like sometimes a host every week you have a new monologue. You're like okay you're in a new HBO show. What could be
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your monologue? What's your it's kind of weird to do stand up there but some people are very
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because it's you you work it out in clubs or theaters and it's just that's just a whole different
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vibe. It sounds crazy that it's not a comedy crowd. It is but it's not a comedy club crowd. No.
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So plus you have the high you know it's not like a tight No. No. It's a great little room, SNL.
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Of course. Yeah, it's an incredible room. And they handed her a mic like they do with Chappelle or whatever. You know, some
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people do stand up and just do the lavalier mic, but she had an actual I like a mic. I like when they they just
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push you out and go when I did my this boring story. When I did my hosting the second time, Adam was in town, so we
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were going to do the monologue together, right? So, he was going to be a guy in the audience. Oh, that's right. And and he was going
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to go, "Why do you do this? Why? Why are you doing this? David, he has questions. He keeps asking me
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questions. So, we rehearse it the morning of SNL. I get to rehearsal the morning, which is
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probably 1:00 in the afternoon. Yeah. And they go, "Oh, Adam just flew back to LA. Water Boy opened this weekend and it
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was such a [ __ ] huge hit. He has to go back and do whatever. Whatever." I was like, "Oh, great. Oh, wait, wait.
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Oh, so no monologue." They're like, "No, sorry." And I go, "Uh, oh." And then Adam called me and said, "I'm sorry." I
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said, "I know, no, I get it. Water boy is a [ __ ] smash." But well, he could have from the audience.
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He could have been dressed as a Water Boy in the audience. Nobody I know he that that he had to go
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back for something important cuz he would have stayed. So I had to go do stand up, but I couldn't practice it. So
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I just Lauren, why aren't you a standup? You don't need to practice. The crew will let you know. Hey. And so you know what happens though with Nikki, with me,
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with everybody, what people do is what I want to do if I ever did that. Stack the
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band behind me to laugh. Mhm. Because if you look, sometimes they're like this. They're holding their trumpet like this. Mhm. And you can hear some of the audience
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laugh, but you really only can go visually by two people. This guy and this girl over here. that guy and they've just heard almost the identical monologue 90 minutes before.
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Yeah. Dress. Yeah. So they have to save some laughs, you know, and they've heard 500 monologues and so
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yeah, they try to be pleasant but you can catch them texting. No, you can catch them kind of like their banjo. But when I saw Nikki, she it's the mic
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and it's just raw dogging. Just go. And uh but the crowd likes her, you know, so
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she does some really good jokes. Um she dances outside the lines a little bit. I mean, some topics that she was
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she landed. Go ahead. Yeah. And some stuff I'd seen from when we're out together. And even those cuz
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my act is a little Rated. Hers steps into some different areas outside the box, but I like that and her crowd likes it. And by by the way, SNL when you're waiting for tickets for a year, you
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might not be a thousand% her credit. You're just getting a host and a show. You just want Oh, yeah. And they're not seeing her
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work out the material and they don't know if she's going to be a little rough around the edges. You know, she might Right. They may not be just
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hyperfamiliar with her in terms of like Anyway, so overall great monologue. A lot of jokes I liked. Um, then she did a sketch about I thought was funny about
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Jennifer Hudson's show where you walk in and you dance on the way in and how she gets anxiety from
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that. Yeah. And now now they have a drug for that tunnel. The Hudson Tunnel. The Hudson Tunnel and you got to dance and people get the Hudson Tunnel because that's a real thing in New York.
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They make a tunnel for you to go through. But is there something called the Hudson Tunnel? What are those tunnels? Yeah, there's a Hudson tunnel into
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Manhattan. take the Hudson. Yeah. Yeah. But her So that's probably why they call it that. That's a good idea. Uh so she
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danced through that and then she has anxiety and then they take a pill for it and that was a funny one. She had a
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couple things that I thought really worked. And we talked before that about doing a uh she had an idea to do she
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said, "Do you care if I do a Hollywood minute, but it would be fun if I did that, but I brought you on."
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And I thought that would be I said, "I don't know. We'd have to have really good jokes because that's a tough one if the because it's so rough that sometimes
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the jokes have got the visual elements where you get a boo but jokes straight to camera with Nikki I thought oh that's
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actually great. So I said yeah I said yeah let's work on that. So we started working on it. She got there and then it fell apart during the week sadly because I was do I was on the road
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and I was at Houston. And I did a show then Tulsa and then I was going to go straight from Tulsa the day of the show
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which would have been scary. Get there at like 4 and then just come to rehearsal at I think they rehearsed up
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date around dinner. You know that that show is moving at the speed of Lord and you know things move and change and shuffle and there's all
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these different inputs into something getting cut or maybe we'll do it later. So
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yeah, I you know what? They already had update. They said, "Well, we already have update full." So it didn't work out, but one day we
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should do that. Because that was funny because Nikki would be the perfect person to do it with. Yeah. She was going to say, "I want to do this
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bit." And then Colin was going to say, "Isn't this Spades bit?" And she goes, "He's going to come mentor me." So then we start doing it together.
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Right. That would have been fun. We'll do it together. Well, you know, that's that's one of your big bangers from SNL. So you coming
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out behind her, she's there going to do it. Well, this guy, it's always fun to have it be a surprise
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SNL like it's David SP. It's Yeah, it's a good SNL situation. Uh, so she did a lot of good sketches.
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She um I thought she did a great job. I think she was happy with it. She said she liked
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Oh, yeah. She's a really good sketch player and comedic actress. Besides being a standup, she's she she she
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handled herself pretty and she got to sing. She can sing in real life. was singing and that boy
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sister brother kind of karaoke thing where they're kind of a little too friendly with each other. You know, that
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one was funny. That was up top. They rode the bull which was [ __ ] full bananas. Like I like the kind
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they're just nuts like that. I like that one. It went into like an outer space. Yeah. So nuts very normal. Yeah.
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Yeah. There was some really good sketches on that show and we would have had her on but it would have it would air like a week
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later, you know, so it's not right after. But we will uh get some thoughts from her down the road. And what else?
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What was your weekend, Annie? You want to tell me about anything exciting? I saw a donkey. Oh,
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I saw a donkey. And on your on your farm or somewhere in the neighborhood at the Beverly Center, no, I was I was just trying to, you
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know, work out and stuff. I was taking hikes up mountains. Oh, you were walking out for a walk out?
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Uh, hiking up mountains. I do a little little thing, you know. I just try to keep keep it together.
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I say I say I go hiking when literally I'm just walking, but I want to sound more LA. But you actually hike cuz
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you're strong. Well, I like being in an oxygen debt. I like the feeling of it. So if I go up a if I hike, I'm rolling like this and then there's a really 14
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degree hill for about 3 minutes around here, then you're doing what I call red lining. like your pulse is so high and you're sweating that by but you really
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by the time you get to the top you have to kind of go down on your you put your hands on your knees. So I like going to that that
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I feel very push it a little bit. You know, there's a movie called Running Man with Glenn Pal, which is a remake of
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Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I thought I might do a remake where it's called Walking Man. And they go, for $1 billion, you have to
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walk 8,000 steps a day. And I'm like, I think I could do it. Instead of running management, it should be called trying to walk, man. It should be goal. This [ __ ] about 10,000
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steps is more than you think, but let's see if you can do it for 30 days straight. And if you just said it right
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now, I probably could not. Well, 10,000 any life. It's hard. 10,000 steps is kind of made up, but
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people love the metric. It is a good number. You know what it did? when I heard about the step counter
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my aside from, you know, bragging about it when I hit like 5,000. But I uh I it made me realize, oh, I get 10,000 a day. I just thought that. And then you look at your step counter, I go, oh, I got
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3,400 today. And I go, I'm that far off just in a regular day. And I realized I'm in LA. I drive
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everywhere. So it made me get off my kester and say, ohister, it takes a lot to get to
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10,000. You have to pull over. Like if you have a life, you're driving here, you have a meeting, you go home, you have to read, you have to watch this or
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you have to do this. So I'm sedentary a lot of days. So I got to get up. That's good. I mean, I would they call it thing they call it HIT, you know, um high interval
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training. And so once in a while, like say at the Beverly Center, go on the stairwell and just go up three flights
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of stairs. Once in a while for a couple minutes, get get a little get your heart rate up
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and breathe a little hard, you know, stuff like that. Yeah. I call it rot. R O T. Just sit and
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rot all day. I call it D C D. David can't do it. David DCDA. David can't do anything. Oh, the A. Okay. Yeah. So, that's
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something that's out there in the ether as long high intensity is is good to do once in a while.
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I know you just do it so you have more life force and and you know, look at us on this podcast. Look at our energy. It's
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unbelievable. Look at us. We're grinding. We're doing a straight hour of the toughest thing you can do. They say this other than
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swimming podcasting is the second hardest on all of your body parts. Right. Well, I'm I don't have a chair.
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I'm just in a low deep squat the entire that would be this is just a fake thing attaches to my
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back to your shoulders attached to my shoulders that looks like I'm in a seat but I'm in a a dense
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squat. Um do you mind if I take a selfie right now? Is this nostalgia? Uh oh. You want take Oh, okay. Too late. I see what you're doing.
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Get me in my purple sweater. We do have guests today. We have uh our old friend Mikey Meyers. Uh you know him from
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Shrek, Wayne, Austin Powers, three monster hits, of course, among many others. Sprockets and his his brother Paul. We're going to talk about the Beatles. We're going to
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talk about John Candy and uh but we have we're going to do a segment called Buzzing Around real quick. And this is
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down that I know you do impressions of and then you're going to put them in a scenario. Last week it was getting pulled over. It could be that. It could be anything you want. So I'm gonna give
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you ready. Okay. Johnny Johnny Carson out Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson. Uh Jim Jim Fallon.
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I do them kind of. Okay. You got to get them in there somewhere. Uh Paul McCartney.
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Okay. And uh one of my favorites, Senator Kennedy. Why they're all hanging out together, I don't know. But you figure it out. Uh
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you have 10 minutes to to prep. No. 10 seconds. Okay. I'm going to I'm going to I'm
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going to do them again. uh driving around and getting pulled over. Okay, that's a good scenario.
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Okay, so uh I guess I need a sound effect from you maybe. Didn't you did you not hear the pull it over, please? By the way, I'm doing I'm Senator
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Kennedy. Okay, just the siren. Uh can I see your license and registration? My words, not yours. Please roll down the window. I need a sound effect.
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Oh. Oh. Uh, sorry, officer. What seems to be the problem? The problem is, the way I
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see it is I estimate you were going in excess of 120 miles an hour. Your speed, not mine. Well, sorry, officer. I didn't know
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that. This is a new Corvette. Maybe I was a bit leftodded. Oh, what a Who is the gentleman next to you? He looks familiar. Well, my name's Paul McCartney. I was in
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a band called The Beles. You know the Beatles? I remember Frankie Avalon. Was he one of one of the band members in the Beatles? My words, not yours. No, Frankie was sort of a Beach Boy sort
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of guy. Yeah. But we were the Beatles and we would plunk. When you say plon, is that some kind of
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agricultural reference? What do you mean plunk? Well, John and I would look at each
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other with guitars and we start plunking away, you know. Yeah. And that's how we came up with Abby
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Road. True story. Now, I don't remember anything called Abby Road. I remember the Christmas album of Perry Como. You ever heard that? Now that's
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good stuff. Good, clean, fun. Good, clean, fun. Who's who's in the back seat? Okay, now excuse me. You have passenger
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back there. What's your name? Oh, that's um that's Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, it's Jimmy Fallon. I go on the show a lot. Jimmy, say hello. This is a crazy crazy John Kennedy. He's he's a headway
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drum. It's really weird. Really crazy. That's right. I do do this. So does Donald Trump.
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We sometimes moonlight as a highway patrolman. You got a problem with that? No. Father is saying this is crazy.
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Johnny Carson, he's not even alive. He's in heaven. I don't know. It was good. Okay. So, what we had there
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was um you had all four people. Yes. In in a situation I thought you did a great job. Believe it or not, it was that was buzzing around and that was
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That's simplysafe.comfotw. There's no safe like simply safe. I wore a t-shirt in honor of Oh,
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you might notice this is a custom t-shirt. The Ringo is in a different world here now. Oh, it's usually George.
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He's here. Oh, I hear I hear Mike. Oh my god. I Oh my god. It's the BBC one. Come in, baby. Say
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um Okay. So, you still Yes, you're there. Yeah. Uh second day here. Yes. Uh, my I was going to wear a TR Toronto police hat as well.
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You can always call that audible. We have no rules. Obviously, we have We have He pushes Canada more than almost
00:21:04
anyone. You do a good job. You must be like a hero. Well, you know what? It's When he attacked us, that was rough. You know, hurt our feelings. We love Americans.
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Oh, good. Yeah. I think I still like Canada. I didn't know I didn't like them, but I guess I was. No, no, it's we had a we had a guest on recently who kind of
00:21:29
knows Donald Trump, like talks to him. He said that I'm paraphr wakes up every day and just says if someone he's mad at someone, he'll just mess with him. So I said, so when he
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said, "Well, we'll make Canada our 51st state." He was joking. That's what he said. Of course, he had no idea go well.
00:21:47
I'll tell you that. But no, it Trump's a little You don't go, is he serious? Cuz then I started thinking, well, my wife's from Canada. We do flow
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together nicely. Yes. Oh, yeah. All my important people are Canada. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's madness. We were We have a very important
00:22:10
announcement. Uh yes, it's your brother's shirt and there's a difference in the order.
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John Paul. We got these. So why the Ringo before George? Yeah, this is interesting.
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Yeah, it's what we call a whim. It was a whim. It It was me not remembering how the sequence went. And I'm feeling very pro-
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Ringo at the time. And we had somebody We had a friend, this is based on a International Jetet design. That's the
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name of the company. And they they had George third. And I know that he's the third songwriter in
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the band and that's why he's third, but I was feeling so pro- Ringo that I I had the shirts commissioned. Mike has one
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somewhere in storage. I think it was in storage. It's just it didn't make it down to New York. Yeah,
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I guess that's what I meant. You're storing it somewhere else, but easy with the storage. It's in Provo, Utah, and it's all very
00:23:02
hush- hush. Yeah, it's very quiet. Something with a data center, Elon Musk. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's all good. It's a strictly need to know. But I would get getting back to Beetle
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Nerd for a second. Paul and Ringo had their own special relationship as the rhythm section. So I always wanted to, and you guys could relate to this, back to the Beatles.
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1965, my dad was an ex- army guy. So he would literally give us crew cuts, me and my three older brothers. There are
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four of us. There's three of you guys. And I always wanted to have kind of beily messy hair around around 1965.
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So, and obviously Paul kind of as well. That's not it's it's disorient. But you you that's not a hairpiece. That's your actual hair because it is amazing. Who? Mine or Paul's?
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Well, your hair is just very Your hair looks cool. Yeah. No, that's my hair. It's military. Mike always had good hair. Even back on the show, I was quietly jealous. It's
00:24:04
gray as it stays. That's my theory. Oh, yeah. As long as Mike, how do you feel about me telling the secrets of
00:24:11
your childhood haircuts? Like, cuz Mike was the guy who if he didn't like the barber in the family haircut, he would
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storm out and say, "I'm going to go get my own haircut." And we were like, "You can do that?"
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And I had the money to do it. That was my TV commercial when you said this. When did you get TV commercials and I'd
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be like, "This is Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Were you cute? I was cute. My niece like was very cute. But can I just say that were you cute that you just the reading of that was
00:24:41
maybe the creepiest reading of were you I've ever heard in my life. Adorable. There was an undertone I didn't want to
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mention. It comes out once in a while. I don't know what it means. I'm not I'm not going to go there.
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No. But Mike, I learned that when I was in an airplane, when you say to a baby, "Oh my god, you're so cute." You have to
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say it like that. You can't go. Oh my god, you're good-looking. Yes. No. Oh, okay. Just go down. Yeah, it is
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all in the um You know what? I'm I'm just I'm going to get a Coca-Cola. Get a Coca-Cola. I'm gonna I want to do one thing before we get in the Beatles anyway, which is Paul wrote a book.
00:25:20
Yeah, there we go. Yes, it's true. Paul wrote a book about John Candy. Do you want to tell that journey of where
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you wrote the book and then what happened with the documentary? There it is. Yeah. John Candy my a life in comedy
00:25:35
and uh well the story of me writing that book thank you very much for mentioning it Dana. Uh the story of me writing that
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book is that I had written a book about the Canadian sketch legends the kids in the hallm and uh that's right and that was
00:25:47
published by a a company called House of Nancy Press and they they really liked the book and they said
00:25:53
you know we want you to do another book and I wanted to do like a sketch comedy book and then my editor actually said a guy
00:25:59
named Doug Richmond he said u if you do it about just John Candy from Second City you could also get to talk about
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all those cool movies he made and I was like dude that's that's my next book and I and I spent three and a half years
00:26:11
sort of, you know, searching out Steve Martin, Dan Akroyd, Katherine O'Hara, uh, pretty much everybody who you need to talk to and people that you didn't know you needed to talk to, like people
00:26:21
who worked on the shows, people who worked in the cruise and and people who wrote the some of the scenes for SCTV
00:26:27
that you don't hear their names all the time. And it was just they all had stories about John. And I put together this idea of who John Candy was and why
00:26:35
we still love him like 30 years after he died. We miss him, dude. Yeah, we miss him. You might be one of the most universally
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liked uh performers that literally I have never heard one negative thing about him.
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It's true. He was very nice to me. So, you wrote this book, which I'm reading, by the way, and I'm loving it
00:26:52
because for me being in the world I'm in, I went up through standup, but uh Mike went through, you know, different
00:26:59
Second City and all that. So it's very interesting how through John Candy you go you're really getting into the
00:27:05
nitty-gritty details which I have to say it is different reading this book than the the documentary that is out that is great that weirdly came out and I
00:27:16
remember talking to Colin Hanks and going you know Paul Meyers is doing a book about you know John Candy and he
00:27:23
went huh and he walked away no I made that up but um that can be great but this book is so detailed and so
00:27:30
experiential as far as the grease paint and the food and everything. I'm just really enjoying it. So, great job.
00:27:37
Well, thank you. Uh, you know, when I was writing the book, I knew that they were the Candy family who I consulted
00:27:43
before I even started doing that's Jennifer, Chris, and the mother Rose. Um, and you know, John's widow Rose. And
00:27:50
they are great people. And I contacted Jennifer and I said, "I want to do this book." This is three years ago. I want
00:27:57
to do this book about John Candy. I'm I'm going to be respectful to your dad who's a hero of mine. I wrote about this
00:28:02
Kids in the Hall and I I'm familiar with the world of Second City through my brother and she said, "Oh, we know who
00:28:08
you are. We think you're going to do a great job, but we are making a film of our own, so I hope you don't mind, but
00:28:13
we're going to make our own movie." And I said, "Oh, cool." And at that point, Colin Hanks wasn't involved. Um, and then I kept following their
00:28:19
progress, but I didn't know where they were. And then we announced about a year ago, October 7th was our release date
00:28:26
for John Candy, A Life and Comedy. Thank you. And uh Paulers and about two months
00:28:31
by Paul Myers. Yes. House of Nancy Press. You know, it's available everywhere. And then about somewhere in
00:28:37
the process about two months later, there was an announcement that they were premiering their film. Uh Ryan Reynolds produced, Colin Hanks
00:28:43
directed uh I Like Me and it was going to be on Amazon 3 days after our book comes out. And you might think that's
00:28:51
like bad timing, but I think it's the best timing. It's like because now everyone's seeing the pictures of John
00:28:56
Candy and a generation that maybe didn't even know the genius of John Candy is now conversing to him to the point where
00:29:03
they're going to want to read. Yeah. It's not So, it's been working out. And Ryan Ryan reached out to me too afterwards and he said, "Let's do an event together." So,
00:29:09
we're we're on the same team. We're all on team Kango. Yeah. And I do think that Yeah. It's it's not like it's another biography
00:29:16
about John K. They they can work together. And the awareness now it usually comes in threes but it is
00:29:21
interesting historically where all of a sudden everyone goes John Candy you know
00:29:26
and I only knew him through his movies and second city and that but it's his journey to what did you I'm just curious
00:29:33
off the obviously his kindness and his all that is there. What what was the other surprises about your investigation sort of or your your immersive thing of
00:29:45
finding out who this guy was? I was surprised to learn and I guess it made sense that he was a great actor first
00:29:52
before he even wanted to be a comic or comedian. He he he'd started on on the stage in Toronto and he'd been his idols were people like Charles Lton. You would never think that, you know, but and Jack
00:30:04
Jackie Gleason of course. So he he loved comedy. He was a huge fan of the Dick Van Dyke show and things like that. But
00:30:10
he really wanted to do dramatic arts. And if you think about it, the um I'm going to sound like an egghehead here,
00:30:16
but the emotional intelligence that he brought to his roles, even a a big broad character like Ox from Stripes,
00:30:23
he brought that certain actorly sense of this isn't just a guy making a joke. This is
00:30:29
this is somebody who has a a life, you know, and it doesn't have to show you the life. It's just there and he he
00:30:35
presents it. And I don't know nothing about acting, but I know that that he seemed like he had something going on
00:30:41
there. Yeah. And uh that that confirmed by people like Oliver Stone who said when he put him in JFK, remember John Candy
00:30:47
had a small part in JFK and it was a very serious role. And Candi's commitment to getting the New Orleans
00:30:53
accent and working on actually portraying Dean Andrews Jr. Oliver Stone said this guy could do anything. This guy should be they he kind of predicted that he would be on the you know Academy
00:31:03
Awards best actor list at some point. Sadly he passed away before had a chance to really do that. But it was uh 1994.
00:31:12
So we were all in the Were we all on the show or you were done, Dana, by then? Yeah, I I was still
00:31:18
I just left. Mike was still there. Mike was Mike. Are you still there? 94. Uh [ __ ] Because I mean I I was of
00:31:25
course hit through those movies from you know Uncle Buck to even Blues Brothers. It's
00:31:33
always fun to see movie with all like buddies you can tell. And he's like the orange whip. Orange whip. Orange whip.
00:31:38
Mhm. But just bringing when you throw him anything, can't stop watching him. You
00:31:43
just know if this guy says yes to this movie, I don't care what size the part is, that's a guy. And then you just grow
00:31:49
to say, "Oh, this guy, I have to see what he does." So that was a fun for me. He never saw him, though. He almost
00:31:56
hosted SNL once, but he didn't. He there was rumors he was going to come in and host SNL, but
00:32:02
well, he almost joined the cast and andrew at at Andrew Alexander at Second City said uh
00:32:08
I'll pay you anything to not cast of they've been losing. They lost Akroyd and Gilda to to SNL
00:32:14
and um this is the Second City stage, right? So before SCTV ever went on the air, they had started rate Lauren had
00:32:21
started rating the cast which is obviously you would if you're Lauren Michaels get the best available and that
00:32:27
but and and and Second City didn't have a TV show yet and the whole reason for SCTV was as a as a way to hemor stop
00:32:34
from hemorrhaging talent and they they end up making their own version of it that and you can see in the book I just
00:32:39
want to say Dan Akroyd is a great connective tissue in this book because not only did you know John Candy first
00:32:46
audition for Second City Stage because of Dan Akroyd. Akroyd and Valerie Bramfield pushed him
00:32:51
into auditioning. He gets picked up sent to Chicago to work with Bill Murray. God damn. Um and learned comedy ropes with a young
00:32:58
Bill Murray. And then uh and then he gets and then Acroy puts him in the Blues Brothers.
00:33:04
They were in 1941 together, the Steven Spielberg comedy. Um and then uh you know the great outdoors and uh and it's just like all through it. And then Akroyd wrote the most amazing eulogy at
00:33:16
John's Los Angeles funeral. And that is why when I went to Dan Akroyd after writing this book and
00:33:22
having these great stories, I said, there's no one else I want to have to write the forward but Dan Akroyd and he just did it.
00:33:27
I'm reading the forward going, who wrote this? It's so poetic. And then I finally, oh, Dan Akroy.
00:33:34
You know, a minute ago before we had technical difficulties, Mike, you you had an intersection. I just want to hear
00:33:40
that for a second. Oh, yeah. Mike, Mike, tell that great story about you and John Kenny. There's only there's only two people
00:33:45
that I've uh ever um waited outside a stage door for. One was Lily Tomlin and the other one was uh John Candy. And uh John came out and I said, "Oh, John, I'm
00:33:59
a big fan. I want to do what you do." And he said, "You should join the Second City workshops." And told me where it
00:34:05
was and all that stuff. and uh Tim Kazarinsky was there and he was like super super positive and helpful. So I
00:34:12
went and took the Second City workshops after seeing him. And then after Wayne's
00:34:17
World, uh went up to Toronto to visit my family and I was at Wayne Gretzky's restaurant. Couldn't be more Canadian than that. And uh across the way is John Candy. Sorry, John Candy. And I was
00:34:29
like, "Holy [ __ ] he's coming over." I said I said it's a joke to to my friend. And he was and he came over. He gave me
00:34:35
a big hug and so so happy for a scar bro boy to do so well and congratulations. He was just so incredibly gracious and fantastic and it meant that actually
00:34:46
meant more to me than than a lot of things that happened during that really exciting time of of Wayne's world. You
00:34:53
know, it's always surreal and whenever people, you know, pass the torch or like you
00:34:59
must have people come up to you, Mike, and you and you saw them in something and, you know, it's it's very nice if it
00:35:05
means something to some young performer. You know, the only thing I say to people, I was someone at a hocus store,
00:35:12
this woman, I'm in the Groundlings, and I said, the only thing I say, it's not profound at all. I just say just work on
00:35:18
yourself. Don't listen to who's making it or anybody else. All you can do is try to be better. It's pretty obvious.
00:35:25
He's like, "Oh, okay." Because easy to get caught up in the drama and neurosis and unfairness of show business and the
00:35:32
the pressure. I still talk about that. Yeah. Spade and I Well, we'll talk later. But anyway, um so yeah, the
00:35:40
podcast the book John Candy, a life in comedy and uh boy, Uncle Buck, Plane, Trains,
00:35:46
and Automobiles with Steve Martin. That was such a That one hits hard. Yeah, that's perfect movie.
00:35:53
Yeah, it's such it was so great. James James James Hughes, the son of John Hughes, talked to me about just the
00:35:58
relationship that his father John Hughes had with John Candy. And when you realize that the two families would
00:36:04
vacation together and they they're both from like uh you know Hughes is from Chicago where he's a hockey fan and they have snowy winters and John of course is from Toronto where they have snowy
00:36:16
winters in hockey and they had a lot in common beyond that and then they'd both moved to Brentwood around the same time
00:36:21
and so they were both adjusting to sort of being outsiders in Hollywood but they were both at the peak of their careers.
00:36:27
So when he wrote Planes, Strains and Automobiles, Hughes, he really understood who John Candy was as the
00:36:34
lead and he kind of put a lot of truth into it. And there's that great speech, the uh what we call the I like me scene
00:36:40
where John John car his character Dell Griffith finally erupts at Steve Martin and says,
00:36:45
you know, I like me, my wife likes me, my kids like me, you know, and it's it, you know, my customers like me and I'm
00:36:51
who I am and I'm not changing. And it's like it could be John Candy talking and it's and that's one of those great
00:36:57
moments like Daener Dairo and Scorsesei you know where you have the two of them together. I said scores sorry busting
00:37:04
myself for no reason nobody was going to bust me and I just went and did that. Mike knows all about sessy now.
00:37:10
The um reading through your book and mentioning some of it to my wife and then she just said just casually, it's
00:37:17
not something that hasn't been talked about before, but when you read the book, you go, "What the hell is it with
00:37:22
Canada with this low population with this massive Hall of Fame comedians, 80% of Canada is it's kind of crazy." And all coalescing
00:37:34
in the same time. Yeah. You know, it's sort of mind-blowing. And then the sensibility
00:37:39
of SCTV did seem quintessentially Canadian or there's something about that show for an American watching it and just going, "Holy [ __ ] there there's just a frequency there in that I is not
00:37:52
American, but man, was it funny." And it's not English either. Yeah. What is it? It's somewhere in between. We're we're
00:37:58
an observer nation. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because we don't have I mean, we have an identity. Actually, the kids today in
00:38:05
Canada have way more a sense of themselves than we did growing up. And And what would you describe that identity as? It's um
00:38:17
it's well, you have a lot of creative icons and Lauren Michaels have emerged over at
00:38:22
least in the arts. Yeah. Also musicians. But I think of a the nicest country I've
00:38:29
ever been in is Canada as far as the people treating me. I just it was freaky. Yeah. Yeah. They they loved both of you guys up there. But can I just say I'd like to
00:38:39
take I'd like to take the question a little bit and say that I have talked to a lot of because I did the kids in the hall book last and kids in the hall and
00:38:46
Mike and Mike and and Dan Akroyd and Katherine O'Hary and Eugene Levy. All these people have shown a generation and
00:38:53
two generations and three generations what it means um to be funny on the world stage, but also to to be quintessentially Canadian while you're doing it. And then what happened was a
00:39:03
lot of these people, this happened in a lot of areas with the YouTube generation. There's a lot of people that
00:39:09
are just making comedy. They don't even think beyond the borders of the internet. So they're they accidentally
00:39:15
make something that's regional and specific for Canadians. So they have their own heroes and they never we never
00:39:21
used to we used to get validation from outside sources and we still do but but you know just like the Beatles had
00:39:27
to go around the world but they they still kept their Liverpool thing and I think that I think that's what's going
00:39:32
on in contemporary Canada is we've got a whole I say we I I I don't live there but I just spent a lot of time there
00:39:38
recently. Um, we I found that in Calgary, people just had their own thing and they would love to export it and they do, but they're really not thinking about not all thinking about taking it
00:39:49
away. I I I mean, I love Canada and and if I had stayed in Canada, I'd be fine and all that stuff, but I really did want to
00:39:55
come to America, you know what I mean? Because that's the center of the center. Or I wanted to be in England and I was
00:40:01
in both places. I went to England to be in part of the English comedy thing. And I think that's kind of but it
00:40:08
also just I knew one thing. I could probably be a hockey player because I'm from Canada
00:40:13
and I could probably be in comedy. You know what I mean? One or the other. One or the other. I know that we can do
00:40:20
that. You know what I mean? It seemed possible. Were you thought when they were kids were you taught or you was the mindset
00:40:27
America's inferior to Canada or better or the same? Like were you saying I should I really want to make it in America or they thought America is not where you want to be? That's
00:40:38
no I would say I'd say I think the world recognizes that American show business is the best in the world. You know what I mean? Okay. And uh that's why you know even on
00:40:48
Wayne's world you know uh we had a Dutch camera guy and check clapper loader and
00:40:55
like everybody was from everywhere else you know what I mean? And u it really is the in terms of
00:41:01
entertainment you know. Sure. I mean, they say that the Star Wars program brought down
00:41:07
Soviet Union, you know, SDI, but I think it was the movie Star Wars more than anything where they went, "Holy [ __ ]
00:41:13
you have enough story power and enough economy power to make a whole other universe." You know what I mean? That's better than our universe. You know what? You know what's interesting about that story, too, is
00:41:24
that you mentioned Star Wars and what happened was, you know, that America is the show. The show, right? And that's
00:41:30
what happened with, you know, all the people who go to Lauren takes the show and creates Lauren Michaels creates SNL
00:41:36
in in New York City. And he always tells people like the kids in the hall, learn how to have your show play in
00:41:42
Indianapolis. You know, learn how to, you know, it's not just about the borders where you are. It's about everyone seeing it in all the uh the
00:41:49
platforms, right? But when Star Wars started, interesting thing because there's a an animation program at
00:41:56
Sheridan College in Toronto that they they helped create industrial light and magic and so it they drained all the talent from Sheridan College and created this thing in Marin County and it's it's
00:42:07
it was initially staffed by like I don't know the percentages but around 60% Canadian. I didn't know that.
00:42:13
And it's again the thing is come to the show. Bring the show and the world and the Beatles came to the show. You know,
00:42:18
the Beatles wanted to be on Eden. They they they would conquer Britain, but they hadn't conquered America. American show business is just the best
00:42:25
in the world. And and you know, even my mom when she saw Wayne's World, she said, "Oh, that Dane is very good, isn't
00:42:30
he?" Oh, she was she was funny that way. She was funny. She was like, "It's just Americans. They
00:42:35
have it, don't they? Just Americans just have it." Not all. Yeah. Well, you got Canada also Jim Carrey.
00:42:42
Jim Carrey. Yeah. He's fantastic. Exploded. Nor McDonald. the Norm McDonald. So there can be the Nor McDonald. T H E is no other Nor McDonald. God rest his
00:42:55
soul. I mean that his Mhm. at So anyway, uh what about Great Outdoors? That's Is
00:43:00
that a John Candy? Yeah. Yeah. John Candy and Ben Akroy two-hander as they say. Yeah. It was great. And it was so anyone
00:43:07
who watches that from Canada will see that that's what what we call the cottage, you know, which I you would
00:43:12
call cabin life, you know, and it's it's totally like southern Ontario kind of setting, but it's actually set in
00:43:19
California. But, you know, that's what And so what you did in Wes World, Mike, you made Aurora, Illinois be a basically
00:43:24
a standin for Scarbor, Ontario, right? Yeah. But then it's all the North American suburbs are all the same. You
00:43:30
know what I mean? Yeah. And heavy metal is all the same everywhere. Like you could, you know,
00:43:35
you see kids in uh Argentina dressed like Queen and Gar, you know what I mean? The heavy metal culture, that kind of thing. Yeah, true. But, you know, Penelopey did a great job, too, just creating an authentic
00:43:49
world for that movie. Yeah, cuz she knew the the ter. We we had via of course Mike the creator uh you know Stan Makita's you know a lot of
00:44:01
stuff from your childhood but it's all variations on a theme everyone and you know I I I only had my own little theory without was just that the two guys you
00:44:13
live with your we live with our parents we have an AMC pacer we're nowhere we have no real money or any and we're just
00:44:20
the happiest people and my family too I had the brothers and sister. We were we would make rituals out of stuff, you know. We uh everything would be a game or you
00:44:32
we'd be watching a Boris Caroff movie all night movies and you have to run to the mailbox and come back and stuff like
00:44:38
you guys did, I'm sure. And um that's was what makes Wayne's World just mean fun,
00:44:45
you know, because they're having fun almost all the time besides the truth. I don't know who was trying to
00:44:50
steal your love interest, Roblo. The first one. Anyway, besides that, go ahead. But as brothers, just for a
00:44:57
second, in Canada, there's a rumor that you guys were rough and tumble, like you threw Mike out in the snow one day or
00:45:03
something. I mean, I had all kinds of stuff like that. Oh, yeah. I mean, we Yeah. When uh God,
00:45:09
guilty. Was it like the first week of first year of Sarant Live and we were at the Rivy
00:45:15
and we had a fist fight. Remember that? Yeah. I I I as as as as as was happens I
00:45:22
can't remember why on earth it got to we often fought would we often would be like the Scottish people would just I
00:45:27
love you no get out get out you know what I mean it may have been whether the buzzcocks were better than the sex pistols or
00:45:34
something like that like it really something that really doesn't matter now but but at the time it's like perhaps
00:45:40
alcohol was involved alcohol was involved beers were involved did anyone get someone in a headlock and
00:45:46
the guy in the headlock said, "Cut it out. Cut it out." Did that Did it go to that level? Oh, Peter used to do that. My brother
00:45:52
Peter used to do spit suck. You know that thing that thing? Oh, yeah. Where flags. You remember flags almost gets to your head. Yeah. I was a bottom of the world on
00:46:05
your stomach. And then the last one was Japan, which was bam. Well, it's just flags. People with not a lot of money. It's cold and you're inside and it's Sunday
00:46:17
afternoon. Yeah. You're like bounce. I I go ahead. I once dragged Mike around by his uh
00:46:25
pulling his ankles and his head hit the side of a c a counter and you got a small cut on your head and I thought I'd
00:46:31
killed you. And I was like I remember thinking looked at your face and you were like, "What the hell? What the hell?" And I was like, "Jez, is it raining in here?"
00:46:37
And it was my blood. I looked like a wrestler. Is it raining like The Shining in here?
00:46:43
Yeah. Yeah. And and then here what I love is my reaction my reaction to having thought I'd killed my brother is
00:46:49
I got on my little 10-speed bike and I ran I rode to the end of the street hid in a park for two hours and thought I
00:46:56
guess the statute of limitations is up. I can come home now. You know, it was like I don't understand why I thought that was the solution if I really had
00:47:02
killed it. Just make a break for there's ah but we were great. Yeah, we did. Oh, we had Well, I don't know if I had fights. I just got beat up a lot or but it was quick, you know. I was
00:47:15
pint pints size, you know, and three older brothers. But mostly, you know, mostly we just had a lot of fun. My brother Brad the, you know, he fixed this old machine where you slid a thing
00:47:29
like it was a bowling alley and my we did get a bumper pool table and then we would just play and uh we were left
00:47:37
alone. It was pre- micromanaging parenting obviously. No one knew where you were. Had no helmets, you know, all
00:47:43
that stuff. Yeah, Mike. Lawn darts, right? Illegal. Imagine lawn darts now. Yeah, Jarts. Yeah, we play with darts and I threw it and it went it went like that and it just hit
00:47:56
my brother inside his thigh where it was sticking out. Darts and Jarts were should be illegal still. So, um, they should be or should not be.
00:48:07
They should be. I think they were pretty I mean Jarts a few kids in the neighborhood died from
00:48:12
Jarts. All right. So here just as a background here. So I just thought for myself I
00:48:18
thought I would I just every time we talk about the Beatles I love it and I've been on Paul Myers podcast. The
00:48:23
official name and where you get it is Paul Myers podcast the Record Store Day podcast with Paul Myers. It's sponsored by Record Store
00:48:29
Day but it's on every week of the year. Thank you for the Okay. So, well, we went on that and I realized, you know, of course with Mike
00:48:35
over the years, you know, the Beatles and the Clash, you know, he has other punk plane. He does beetle fanatic and then when I meet a mic and recognize one and then you were crazy into the
00:48:47
Beatles, so I thought I called Mike and we had the best time though. Yeah. No, when you were on our show, by
00:48:53
the way, I pimped you to just talk about Paul McCartney and I think the promise I made to you was because I know I'm sensitive to comedians doing freebies on
00:49:00
other people's shows. And I said, "You won't have to do material. You don't have to do material. Just come on and talk about the Beatles and music, and
00:49:07
that's all we want you to do." And that Fred Armist's been on the show for the same reason. And and I knew that you got
00:49:12
it because music was such a big, you know, chopping broccoli, you know, like you knew music and that's why I wasn't
00:49:19
that sophisticated, but let it be. I don't mind. I I could do Paul this Paul now today. I could do him all day long, you know. I just I'm doing a bit older,
00:49:32
but I never can get tired of the Oh, that the question thing at the end. I get a bit older. But uh so anyway, so I called I called Mike and just said,
00:49:43
"Do you want to come on with Paul because he's because I just love talking about the Beatles." So that was the
00:49:48
idea. And then we now we're here and so let's talk about the Beatles. But um I think it took us five seconds to say
00:49:53
yes, by the way. Uh we'll we'll do it again. But uh so anyway, as a way to start off because I
00:50:00
there's the reason we talk about the Beatles is because we want to celebrate them, I think, because why are you talking about the Beatles again? And we come up with what album? Whatever. Okay, so here's the first one. I'll do I do
00:50:12
sometimes. Better melody and I love her or she's leaving home. She's leaving home for me. Do you want to take this one? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think I think I think so. She
00:50:28
She's leaving home is maybe underrated only because we hear Let It Be and Hey Jude in a lot of different songs a lot out in the world. Yeah. Super Bowl or in Canada, you know, but
00:50:39
she's your favorite melody though. My favorite melody is um Martha My Dear. Oh, that's good. Another McCartney, by the way. I think Michael McKen
00:50:50
might have said that was the best song. I think so, too. It's like almost a little Mosarty.
00:50:58
It's Yeah, it's got chamber pop. It's got It's got a It could have been played in a Victorian sitting room. It could have been like on a spin it piano. Uh I
00:51:06
want to get back to She's Leaving Home before we move on to that though cuz uh She's Leaving Home does something that McCartney, he was the adventurous one
00:51:12
most of the time with the melodies and I think John was pushing the envelope with chords and production. But um the the um
00:51:19
she's leaving home does this Friday morning and then there's a counterpoint with um the strings like thea and they're all like it's like two swans
00:51:32
or eagles or something and and that is the most exciting thing with McCartney when he does that and I think also he's telling a story in that song that is more literal than most of his stories
00:51:43
you know because the I love Paul McCartney but a lot of times It's definitely stream of consciousness to
00:51:49
the point where what the hell is he talking about? I mean, one of my favorite songs is getting closer from the Wings later album, Back to the Egg.
00:51:56
And he he um he talks about my salamander and got to beware of snipers in the middle of a song that's a happy song about driving. What about I am Wal I am the walrus
00:52:06
though. I mean, see, I am the walrus is John's fantastic. Well, it that's one of
00:52:12
those songs that shouldn't exist and does exist and I still would say it's not even the 2025 hasn't caught up to
00:52:21
it. Right. Good point. And you think the lyrics are gibberish, but the hole is greater than the sum of
00:52:27
the parts. Yellow man and custard from a dead dog's eye. It's like I don't need to know a
00:52:34
try to figure that out. I'm just feeling that man spoke for my generation with that line. That that I think who can But
00:52:40
I think that owes more that owes more to the beats. Don't you think? The beat poets.
00:52:46
Yes. That to me is more I tell you the truth than than nonsequiters. And yeah, I think Yeah, I think B poetry helped enable that idea of words being
00:52:58
less literal. But John actually says he wrote that song because some egghehead critic had written about how smart and
00:53:05
how there's several layers working. And he and he says, now who knows if it's Liverpool just teasing, but he said that
00:53:11
he wrote that song and the Walrus as a kind of a dare to see if anyone would take it seriously.
00:53:17
Well, one thing he was kind of aware that he was pushing when you when you think about the Beatles, this is a more macro question,
00:53:23
but it's sort of like you got the first part, you know, like I'm a walrus. You're like, okay. And sometimes I
00:53:28
listen and I go, okay, I know where he's going, but how did he come up sitting in an English girl? He goes all the way and
00:53:36
this as good as the the main I don't know words what the main part is that is also Yeah. Yeah. And it's a little bit like she's leaving home again. Is I'm assume that Lennon wrote the melody when he
00:53:47
does the refrain. We gave a vest of the or influenced it, right? Because it's his
00:53:52
it's hard, you know, you I I don't know because they did actually help each other a lot like because you know the
00:53:58
famous story about Hey Jude is Paul wrote that song for instance for for yeah that shoulder line. He wrote it
00:54:03
for Julian Lennon. It was called Hey Jules. And he says, "I'm changing the the movement you need is on your shoulder." And John said, "You bloody
00:54:09
won't. You bloody won't change it." You know, and so they were helping each other that way. So I think maybe John on um I'm the
00:54:16
walrus might have been thinking almost predicting what Paul would do cuz he goes like, "I am me and you are me and
00:54:23
it's like and then all of a sudden sitting in an English garden and it's like like Paul would put the um how do I say this? Twe and I but it's not twe in a bad way but it's what we love about
00:54:35
McCartney about Martha my dear is that it's a little more dainty you know where the other part is like almost heavy
00:54:41
metal like you know oh I just wonder about that yeah well that's why I wonder if they were finishing each other's thoughts at that point
00:54:46
let's talk about across the universe though as as talk about that for all day I think that that's my favorite uh and Paul and Dana you guys may know better
00:54:58
than me but that's that's John right that's all Yeah, that's that's John 100%. And I believe and I don't know the timing of it, but didn't he kind of play it for the other three
00:55:12
in the Let It Be documentary at one point and they're all sitting there listening.
00:55:18
So, I wonder if he sort of went off and finished it himself. But I believe that's all John and it's John's.
00:55:23
Yeah. One of his favorite lyrics. So the thing too where he hangs he hangs on what do they call like with a pedal bass where
00:55:29
you play the same you hang on the same note he tends like like in Dear Prudence the same he tends to do that Paul goes up and
00:55:37
down John hangs on one note right and things move around him well what they do is he moves he moves notes inside like so it's essentially the same chord all the way through but
00:55:48
then there's a melody like uh like in Dear Prudence where it goes like ding ding ding ding but the bass is slightly
00:55:54
moving but It's the same ding ding ding ding dear prudence and the guitar is playing that ding ding ding ding all the
00:56:00
way through it and it becomes um hypnotic because you're kind of I'm sure psychedelics
00:56:05
were involved but they they were tripping on that like sort of a raga you know like create a repeating thing that
00:56:12
makes you not remember where you are and then it works it works more hypnotic the lyrics of across the universe always
00:56:20
got me you know yeah I feel like that's Oh yeah know I feel like that's what it would be if you actually went across the
00:56:25
universe. I mean, I know that sounds really corny, but a good point. But like that's one of those ones where I if I listen to that on headphones by
00:56:32
myself, I do get a little I feel the coldness of space and it's like, you know what I mean? It's Yeah, because just across the universe with that melody, it it's it's it's
00:56:45
profound, you know, and it's empty, too. It's a little Tell me if I'm cold. It's it's not a warm
00:56:52
production, right? Yeah. It's a Stark production. Yeah. And then there's a Phil Spectre version
00:56:57
where they added the the kids choir going like and I actually prefer the there's a
00:57:03
version that was on one of the anthologies where it's just pretty much straight. Yeah. And you remember on the the demo tape he
00:57:10
he does he wanted to get this little rhythm like it's like a cha cha cha cha underneath it. And so he started saying
00:57:16
sugar plum fairy sugar plum fairy. and Sugar Plum Fairy was kind of the uh the engine for him of what the rhythm of the song was going to be. I mean this these guys at that time were like allowed to
00:57:27
do this. They were allowed to just dream and you know they went to Rishiesh to study with the Maharishi and they ended
00:57:32
up writing like 18 songs each Paul and John and I think George too but and and a lot of the songs that came out later like jealous guy by John Lennon was actually started in Rashikesh when
00:57:44
they were studying with the Maharishi you know and sexy sadi of course is actually about it. I often, you know,
00:57:49
just because of the Let It Be documentary and seeing Paul when Paul we we interviewed Paul Whoops. And he goes,
00:57:55
"I thought I was a bit bossy, you know, with the But I did point out to him, I said, "You were so enthusiasticly playing on everyone else's song,
00:58:08
like if it was John's song or Oh, true. Okay, let me let me help you." You know, and so
00:58:14
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I don't I lost my train of thought, but anyway. No. Sexy. Sexy Sadie. But aren't we glad he was bossy? If he was bossy, it got him.
00:58:25
I think he was a de facto producer. But if you can help me, this Paul can help me with that perhaps. But he could sing
00:58:31
all the harmony. He had a greater range. He could play all the instruments. So he's kind of an arranger. That's why I
00:58:37
was thinking of sexy Sadi because Lennin maybe wrote the chords on the guitar. It's utterly Lenin. But the opening
00:58:44
piano riff, the ech slight echo on it and it's so broad and wide and bizarre and Paul's playing that. So I didn't
00:58:51
know in that moment does Paul kind of in terms of cadence or I I'm not sure how he intersects like obviously dear prudence we know at least at least until
00:59:02
maybe Ringo plays the solo at the end. That's a controversy currently. But we know Paul is playing the bass. That's
00:59:09
what I wanted to tell Paul. John Lennon loved you. I don't care what you guys were only 29. John Lennon loved you
00:59:15
because you can't write a song and have a guy come and go. Here's the baseline which I think is brilliant in Dear
00:59:21
Prudence and the drumming and of course you'll sing the harmony. So that's you discuss amongst yourself. What do you
00:59:27
say coffee? Well, I just want to say this about Paul and John. So I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the relationship
00:59:33
between Paul and John. There's this great book called uh Paul and John, a love story in song by Ian Leslie. And uh it really really
00:59:40
explores the to an almost homoerotic level about how intensely they cared about each other's opinion of each other and and they even when they were fighting they were fighting in a lover's
00:59:51
quarrel kind of way. Quality control. That's the whole thing. Everything you know it was argument
00:59:57
so high about quality control like is is this going to be good enough to to have the
01:00:02
Beatles name on it? You know what I mean? Exactly. And so so in the movie Let It Be, you can sort of see in the the get
01:00:08
back version, you can really see that Paul at this point, you know, EP Brian Epste has passed away, their manager,
01:00:15
George Martin isn't involved in this session. So nobody's going to push the rock up the hill. Paul looks at John and
01:00:21
says, "Have you written songs for this?" He goes, "I'm thinking about it." You know, I'm thinking about doing it. And Paul's like rubbing his eyes going,
01:00:27
"We're we're doing this show." because that was the thing that live show with all new material which is such a crazy
01:00:34
thing to try and and um but he says you know I just want you to you know have a voice in
01:00:40
this and I want you so he's so excited when uh they bring in I dig a pony and uh I've got a feeling you can see and
01:00:47
two of us is a Paul song but you can see John is feeling like it's about Linda but it might be about him and John you
01:00:54
know there's it's kind of about the because they stare at each other when they're singing it and you really get a feeling that What Paul, what we're
01:01:00
watching in that movie is Paul pushing everybody to the point where they're mad at him. Like George is like, "Stop
01:01:06
pushing me, right?" But he just wants the Beatles to have the Beatles again. And and then within a
01:01:11
year or two, of course, they do Abby Road. But within a year, he's up in his farm. John Paul's up in his farm in
01:01:17
Scotland crying his eyes out and not getting out of bed. And Linda says, "You've got to do something." And now
01:01:22
he's the guy who needs to be pushed. And he writes, "Maybe I'm amazed." You know, like it's like it's a beautiful to me. That's a be
01:01:29
That's a movie right there. I almost hope nobody makes it because I Isn't there a part where George and Paul
01:01:35
were kind of fighting and cuz Paul was, you know, and go like, you know, whatever. But then afterwards I think
01:01:42
George they're they're kind of stop rehearsing and he's George is asking Paul what do
01:01:48
you think Paul you know I think it was it was about uh here comes the sun or one of the Abby road you know so it's
01:01:55
still in that moment and I I think I said this on your podcast but the only because I love to
01:02:01
discuss the Beatles and especially John and Paul's relationship there's no other band during that era
01:02:06
that they ever could have been in where they were not sometimes not Sure, they were the quote best guy in the band, right? You know, and there's no other band with the
01:02:18
output of both of them they could have been. They're absolutely the best guy in the band. And so the miracle that they
01:02:23
came together is almost divine or something. Yeah. I mean, think about while my guitar gently weeps, right? You think of George Harris that later and you go, calm down. And you go,
01:02:34
here comes the sun. If he if he was the hey guys, wait up guy. You know what I mean? If that's if
01:02:39
that's the third place. Yeah. He would have mean like the the guy in any other band in the universe. You Yeah. And then Go ahead.
01:02:50
The argument is is the argument I was going to say that they always make about George is that um he obviously had it,
01:02:56
but he may have worked three times as hard to get it because he knew he he couldn't just put any old thing up,
01:03:03
right? You know, he had to he had to write Here Comes the Sun. He had to write something. And u and and you mentioned
01:03:10
earlier Dana that Paul Paul's baseline on something this is a guy who knows what he's playing on like he knows this
01:03:16
is a hot session like so you know the part where he goes something in the way she goes you hear Paul going
01:03:24
like he's like he's like let me play and he but he wants to play to make the song was he actually inventing what you call
01:03:30
a counter melody then at that time he's playing bass in a way he's playing a counter perfectly
01:03:36
but that's a very skillful thing to do and not get in the way of the main melody, but to reinfor
01:03:42
he had an intuitive sense for that stuff, but he also absorbed a lot of, you know, I know a lot of McCartney
01:03:47
lately because I've been reading all these books, but but he plays piano. He grew up listening to it in his home. Yeah. But he when he plays piano, as
01:03:53
I've seen it, he really doesn't do much with his left hand, right? Isn't he kind of ironically
01:03:59
Lady Madonna, he moves Lady Madonna moves the left hand, but there's three styles of McCarthy, but isn't it? usually like single bass
01:04:05
and then and then the melody. Mhm. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Lennin especially Lenin especially
01:04:10
does that on piano. So Lenin will move the right hand chords more than the left hand the bass chords.
01:04:16
The bass is the left hand. So if people That's why it's so ironic Paul would write so many what would be
01:04:24
the left hand on a piano parts for the for the for the songs. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, that's a good way of looking at Well, the left hand is the bass hand.
01:04:35
David, David, I feel like we're we're we're we're both we're all ram riding over here like David talk about the Beatles. Like what what you have like
01:04:42
he's more of I actually really like the Beatles and I really like Paul McCartney wings, but
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01:06:56
feel I don't I just fancy myself a fan of course but over time you're that's interesting. I think we're all fans. Yeah. Um so No, no, it's true. Yeah. I uh I I could
01:07:08
like I just love the fact that there's so much there's always a new take on the Beatles and there's always a new new bit
01:07:14
of information, you know. Well, here's my question. Rabbit holes. So, George Harrison is he's do singing the harmonies. First
01:07:21
of all, blows my mind that they John and Paul can sing harmonies and they the guy from the neighborhood can play guitar
01:07:27
pretty well. And they're doing this boy, which is a staggeringly gorgeous song, emotionally in every other way. And George is singing Perfect Harmony.
01:07:39
Now, George is playing guitar parts for years on their songs and adding Don't Bother Me or these songs that are kind of rudimentary compared to where he's going. Is that sort of a master's class?
01:07:51
because he's learning in real time that the John and Paul are going to this different place that you know other major chord bands aren't doing was I
01:08:02
mean his leap forward and it really started for me with with um while my guitar gently weeps. Yeah. And then of course the two songs that are in the top 10 of all time bele songs
01:08:14
for Beatle fans something and uh Here Comes the Sun. So you think that he was in a master's class with these two geniuses, but he was a genius lane and weight kind of how did George evolve
01:08:26
into what he or was it always there? Yeah. Well, there's something that Mike might
01:08:31
appreciate because you know how um when when we were kids, Mike, you know how Peter and Peter and I thought that we
01:08:36
were the we were the guys who were writing comedy and you would be like, "Wait up, wait up, guys." And you would go off and you'd go to the school you'd
01:08:43
go to the schoolyard. You'd go to the schoolyard or the park near our house and we'd find out we'd hear kids laughing and go they're laughing at
01:08:49
Mike. Like what's what's that about? And and that I think if you now this is what
01:08:54
we call an analogy because so George is George is not you know George is the hey up guy as Mike was saying earlier and he
01:09:02
goes but he also starts befriending Bob Dylan right like so he's going out and he's listening to the new album by the band
01:09:09
and Clapton. Yeah. And those guys are accepting him uh you know as as a as a and he's just absorbing he's
01:09:17
absorbing the Beatles but he's also absorbing everyone around him and and and bringing it back in and that's when
01:09:23
he started bringing in the Indian music that he'd been listening to because it's like here's what I'm finding out while you guys aren't letting me talk.
01:09:29
Yeah. What's the song that the Chemical Brothers sampled? Tomorrow never knows. Tomorrow never knows. Who wrote that? Paul or Dana. That was John.
01:09:41
That was John. I think it was primarily John. Yeah, I think that that's that's his melody. It was a lot of tape loops, but there's
01:09:47
a lot of tape. I thought that was so discovering shockous. I always thought that was George.
01:09:53
The seatar element was George. The mystical element. Yeah, the drone. There's like a tambbora
01:09:59
or something. Well, if if George is trying to play catchup, what's Ringo doing this whole time?
01:10:05
Ringo is just being a quiet genius. He's a Ringo's getting paid. Playing me drums. He's getting paid by the hour. He
01:10:11
doesn't even get any. Oh, but watch watch him in Get Back, though, man. Get back. Oh, look at that. That is I love that.
01:10:22
All right. Well, let's talk about Ringo for a second. Like, was he any good or Oh my god, was he a secret? I think he is. But he was a drummer who listened to the
01:10:33
songs. But hold up. Here's the other thing about so in in olden days of of comedy
01:10:38
writing teams, there'd be somebody called a soup spoon, right? Which is there was a Yiddish
01:10:44
term, but it came out to be soup spoon. And that they they didn't cut in carrots, they didn't put in beef, but
01:10:50
they just stirred the pot and made sure that all the people were contributing. You know what I mean? Yeah.
01:10:55
And I guess Sally in Dick Van Djk show was the soup spoon. Okay. Sally Rogers. Sally, right? But um I think he was the soup spoon. I think he was the guy that
01:11:06
that just kept it up, kept it light, and didn't let all the Liverpool attitudes have a fist fight. He's from Liverpool, but I mean, I think Liverpool people
01:11:20
know how to not have other Liverpool people fight. I don't know where and I I'll ask any of
01:11:25
you this where he stylistically, you know, he if you look at um she loves you and
01:11:32
he goes to the floor, Tom, he's not always traditional. He can go on a 16th high hat and he'll do splashes, but a
01:11:40
lot of times you think a normal drummer would do a splash and he'll just stay with the tom and the snare or even in
01:11:46
something he's kind of just hitting the kick drum. And there's times anyway adapted to the songs and you can't
01:11:53
imagine anyone else playing those songs. Best example that always comes to mind is Ticket to Ride. any other drummer if
01:12:00
they hear I think I'm gonna be sad they'd be like but Ringo goes yeah he mixes and come together you know come together
01:12:12
is like like he's like he's not playing straight time but he swings he swings and he never plays over the words I don't know
01:12:22
if you pay attention to that next time you're listening whereas Keith Moon would play Keith Moon would play
01:12:28
Keith Moon played as if he was the lead singer, right? Well, Keeper would play anything that
01:12:33
moved off a cliff trying to survive, but he never understood why is the drummer in the back. He never understood that, right? Yeah. But luckily and luckily he was playing against a bass but luckily he
01:12:45
was playing with a bass player who overdrove the bass and a guitar player who just turned up past everybody and
01:12:50
Roger who was like swinging the mic and screaming and a beautiful scream. But yeah, so that was a band that was built
01:12:56
on loud. Built on loud. But I want to stick with Ringo for a second. I just want to say that the thing I love about
01:13:01
Ringo is you see it in Get Back and when he's the song Get Back, right? Yeah. which is we all know that's a beautiful
01:13:06
moment where Paul's just playing the rhythm guitar on the bass and he's saying I've got something Jojo
01:13:13
and then Ringo's first attempt at it is just playing like and all of a sudden it's and then you recognize the military shuffle that becomes like oh now it's
01:13:24
get back and that moment watching Ringo look out into space across the universe if you will and he's listening and he's listening that's something you don't get from some of
01:13:36
these, you know, like, you know, Fred Armson has that character who does the drum technique, how to dominate, how to
01:13:42
dominate the jam. That's the that's his catchphrase is, I will teach you how to dominate the jam. Now, anyone who knows
01:13:49
this, like you don't want to be dominating people. You want to be listening and playing. And that's the
01:13:54
beautiful thing about Ringo. He was not dominating. He was helping. And he laid back when he needed to lay back. You
01:14:01
know, a a day in the life is almost hardly any drums in the day in the life except
01:14:06
like it's like you called there's a bag of marbles being dropped on the kit. That's what was that you described that
01:14:13
wasn't me. No, some people describe it as falling down the stairs. Falling down the stairs is that I read the news
01:14:18
today. Oh boy. And he goes that's the coolest. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. A little Yeah. Like like it's it's almost to say I'm Ringo. I'm still here. You know, it's so cool. Loose toms are underrated.
01:14:31
You know, Ringo didn't always feel a need to go, you know, and he could. It was always in the in with the song. What do they call You're a drummer, Dana, right? You're a drummer. Pat Boon, Debbie Boon, right? You've
01:14:43
heard that, right? Oh, yeah. Canuna Debon canuna can whites black whites pat. And then
01:14:56
Stu Stuart Copeland has one for Sting, but I can't say it on most television shows. It must be X-rated. This is a podcast.
01:15:03
Yeah, he wrote on his toms. He wrote I can say this. I mean, I'm sure there's no censorship here, but it was f F off U
01:15:10
on his on his four toms. So So when he was mad at Sting, he'd hear like I don't know. Stuart will verify that. Uh they were at some event in Malibu which I didn't go to but I think Kevin
01:15:22
Eden told me that it was Ringo and Steuart Copelan together hanging out talking and I just
01:15:28
thought two of the best. Yeah cuz if you listen to synchronicity 2 I guess or something it's just a it's
01:15:35
brilliant. I mean that those albums the police is just sh bright and shiny and of course sting. Um but um
01:15:42
Roxan Roxan still. So this is the one of the things I we were talking before. I I'm I don't have
01:15:49
the musicologist thing that you guys have more of, but I have a I love a good vibe, you know what I mean? And the thing about the Beatles is so no matter what I've done or will ever do in
01:16:03
my life, I aspire to the the pure excitement. that is listening to the Beatles and and I think there's other things too that
01:16:15
I've heard that give me pure excitement like London Colin gives me pure excited. Yeah. Uh
01:16:22
Boy About Town by the Jam. Uh Jimmyi Hendris, you know, like on what's Absolutely. But there's one Jimmyi Hendris that Oh, hey Joe. Right.
01:16:36
Yeah, that's that's what it's called, right? Because I often get the titles wrong. Yeah. Anyways, that song just the
01:16:41
the shuffle of just like pure excitement. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess poly rhythm,
01:17:00
you know. So, I love that. Well, how about on Purple Haze? Purple Haze when there's that vibrous slap. So,
01:17:07
yeah. Yeah. No one ever made the guitar sound like that. I guess he had really heavy
01:17:12
hands and he played it upside down. But how he got that sound and big teeth and big teeth. Yeah. But it's also those chords that those
01:17:20
crazy chords that go up and down. Rhythm guitar player too. Yeah. But um you know we came
01:17:26
excitement. That's what I'm talking about. There are things that are just pure excitement. And Paul used to have a
01:17:32
term called Paul used to call the pop shivers. You know where you get like the Yeah. Yeah. You get a tingle. It's a
01:17:37
tingle. Pop shiver. They get a tingle. What? When a chord changes when a chord changes from one to another and you're
01:17:43
like, "Whoa." We had one of the ones that uh my wife and I had, we were just watch went to a
01:17:49
movie, Secret Policeman's Other Ball. We weren't aware of Sting. We just saw a guy come out really cool looking, the
01:17:55
dyed blonde hair, and he's just with his guitar and he sings and plays Roxan. We
01:18:01
both went, "Holy shit." Yeah. Who the [ __ ] is that? Yeah, you know. Um, so yeah, Sting was uh quite a And the Clash I always think of the Clash or
01:18:12
I don't know who else the Ramones because you at your formative years was sort of the beginning of punk
01:18:18
and I guess the Clash was your favorite band when you were like 15. There's still I mean the Beatles are my favorite
01:18:24
because they're the whatever but because they have too much then it's the Clash because there's just something that's
01:18:30
there's a another thing with the Clash is uh they're cool. Do you know what I mean? Like just well London Calling whenever that comes on I'm on XM radio and that comes on I
01:18:40
never switch it. So that vibe of that is heavy. London London Calling and then it's just
01:18:47
it's an army. I I don't know what the lyrics are about, but it's it's not just a song. It's a movement. It's a movement. Yeah. And it's perfect for that time. But that's the way that Yeah. Joe Stummer like London going,
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you know? It's like it's in it's in it's like it's not casual. Yeah. It's like a cry for
01:19:06
that ring of the trench thing. The ice age is coming. The sun's the moon. So anyway, we we unfortunately we could
01:19:14
do this for two days straight, but we kind of have to wrap it up. Any last words,
01:19:20
Paul Myers? Mike Myers again. Let's let's let's take some time off. We would love to do this as a regular thing
01:19:26
because I think people will love it and I love it and I think that we could fill many more hours. Yeah. More bands to delve into. Also,
01:19:38
Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin. That's true, too. Led Zeppelin. We could talk about Zeppelin. We could also talk about uh Wings specifically. That's a
01:19:45
whole other Well, back to the A just certain uh solo Paul songs are brilliant. And of course,
01:19:51
you know, we could break down just the song. Uh people say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing. That's just those lyrics of that song just like
01:20:02
Can I Can I Can I say one one stupid like almost a plug for my book again, but John Candy, which which beetle did
01:20:08
John Candy work with? George. No. Yes. I I just Yes. Was it H films? There's a video for the the Wilbury Twist. There's a song by the Wilbur's
01:20:19
traveling Wilbur's called the Wilbury Twist and John and John Candy. Uh he was I think he was filming Brewster's
01:20:24
Millions at the time and they they had him come by the studio and just do a little a little Okay, people curious, go on Amazon under
01:20:31
books, Paul Myers, John Candy, Life and Comedy. Download it and enjoy it. And uh we'll do this again. It was so much fun.
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