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I'm gonna ask myself some questions. Rain, um, what's going on? What's going on these days?
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Because here's what I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here it goes. I'm gonna say this.
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Sit down. Fasten your seat belt. Here's the deal. It was front page like Rain Wilson. The office was racist.
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Giant clickbait kind of thing. Click baited and I clicked. You went You went for it. Oh yeah. I said, "What?
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Feel the rain on your pod. Rain Wilson tomorrow. That's a song. Rain Wilson. Rain. I'm doing I'm doing the police. Oh, don't
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let it rain. I actually made a pun when our guest Rain Wilson who was a blast came into the studio. I can't remember.
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I said let it rain or I don't know. He's heard it all. You know, we try to give him some curve balls, but
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he's heard it all. So, we had him in studio, which is rare. We have a couple coming up in studio.
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Um, we had fun with Rain. Good dude. We talked about Dwight's haircut on The Office. And a lot of Office stuff, how that got made and and what what the rocket ship
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that he got on with that. Yeah, we and and his career, where he came from, you know, it's really an interesting story. It always is.
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Always is different. We didn't focus on The Office. That was actually we sort of came swung back to that. But
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he's got a lot of different things to talk about. We won't spoil it. We had a great code movie coming out theaters and and
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then it'll be you it's in movies now. I believe it's in movies now. It's it's a movie now
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and it'll be in theaters when it's a movie then. So, uh, code three, Rain Wilson. And here he is.
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This is no pressure. You can eat. You can do whatever you I'm not going to eat in a podcast. We have no plan.
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No ideas. Yeah. No plan, huh? Oh, wa. Is that what they said? No plan. NBC Dwight spin-off axed. Let's start with that one.
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Did you say axed? Well, yeah, because it was axed. Oh, okay. Was there one? Well, they Oh, there was a there was a planned one. It was a backdoor pilot. We'll get into
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it. It's It's delicious. Oh, good. Can we bury anybody? Young Seahawks fan. You got any Warren
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Littlefield stuff or? Do you know Warren Littlefield? No, I don't know. I don't think I ever met. Was he before
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he was gone? Yeah, he was gone at that point. He wooed me for to do the Letterman thing
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and gave me a um a poster or the Capital Records meet the Beatles. He got it from
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signed. You weren't ready for that this fast. Uh wow. Rain is stunned now. I met with Brandon Tartaros who was before him.
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Do you remember Brandon [ __ ] It could have been Tartar. I think it was Tarov, but it could have been Tartar.
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We had uh Jeff Zucker was our was our right. And he left and then there was the other
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guy and I can't remember his name, but he had red hair and he helped produce Six Feet Under. So, I should know his
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name. Did anybody kind of get out in front of the office once it became a smash and kind of like well you know uh
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it was my idea and I uh there was a guy Kevin Riley who's still out there and he was the champion
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and he I mean he singlehandedly kept our show on the air when no one believed in
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it. I don't know why, but he just he's the one who like squirreled away some money for oh, we'll do five or six episodes here and we'll do two or three and I got you money for one more script and like
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Oh, good. He was like doing the the wheeling and did he get backend? No, because they're studio executives.
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I know. I was hoping because he's like hero in the Yeah. Do you know how do you even know how this works?
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No. Kevin Riley worked at Brilstein forever. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's an He worked on managers for a while and
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then he was an executive. These managers become executives, right? It's very like Brad Gray.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That That's a story. That is exactly Oh, you have some stories there. You lit
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up like a little Christmas tree. Too many stories. Go ahead. Too many stories. No, he was my uh manager. Oh, he was. Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was just the the uh in a general sense. Go ahead. Once the person re repres who's representing you also becomes a
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producer on the show then there's a just an intrinsic conflict of interest. It's
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like uh you know the fox saying I could guard the head house. I mean come on man
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you're not going to eat them are you? But the but the idea is that they're going to also represent your best interests and produce
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right there's just like you can I'll give do I give it this money to the client or
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I give it to myself. I'm the you know it's it's a little tricky. Let's put it that way. Show business. We can go deep into that.
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Muddy murky. What was that smoothie that you were eating there? Cuz that looks like Thanks. It's our
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Uh, I do read ads on your sponsor. Our biggest sponsor for Soul Boom is this wonderful nonprofit called Fetszer.
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We don't have that. I think and they they've been amazing cuz like the conversations that we're having about like spirituality and mental health and
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like oh my god this is we love we want to support this and what's their product?
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There's no product. They're just this nonprofit family foundation profit. Where did they get the money to
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pay you from? From a dead rich guy who set up a foundation. You sure he's dead? He used to own the Detroit Tigers. I think his name is Fetszer. Like Wally
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Fetzer or I don't know. Sounds we have a lot of forprofits that are investing that put ads on, right? MeUndies. Let me guess. MeUndies. Quint.
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Oh, MeUndies. I don't think we have We've done Quint. We've done that. We've done Quint. Yeah, we've done Quint. Like
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we have 5 hour energy. Uh 6h hour energies coming out. 7 and 1 half hour energy.
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Yeah. All right, that's kind of hush hush. I have no energy.com does donations. There's one called wake me the [ __ ] up. Yeah, our production company for this is fly by the seat of our pants.
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Yeah. You guys should get sponsored by Super Cuts cuz you both need haircuts. No, I agree. Can I tell you my problem? Yeah, please. Yes, please.
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I don't have great hair. I'm not going to say I don't. And I You have a full luxury. There's a lot of
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hair. There's a lot of backstory to this whole thing. This is two-day hair. Don't tell anyone.
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But I've moved to Northern Central California. The woman who cuts my hair is very good, Chris Rios, lives down here, so I go periods of time where I don't get a haircut. But I agree with
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your premise that we both need haircuts. David, celebrities, they're just like us.
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They have hair problems. You should you should have a hair product called who who stopped the rain and it should be just some sort of hair product. I don't know if you should.
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Is this a comedy podcast? I don't know. I don't know. I have a question for you. Look at the camera when you say that.
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He's going straight to the lens. We never That's genius. The old office move. He did it and it works.
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He went He did office on us. That's I'm going to ask myself some questions. Rain. Um what's going on? What's going
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on these days? Well, I'm uh promoting this new movie, Code Three, that no one is going to see, but eventually they'll they'll watch it on streaming and um
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What was it like? What was it like being in the office? We will get We're getting into that. We're We're just This is just
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Why don't we hit a little code three? Yeah, let's hit some code three. No, but I like to do it up front.
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Is this your handwriting? I like your hand. I think in bubbles. Are you more I need
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just little I can picture that page in my head, you know? That's why I There's a lot of There's a lot of good questions on here. I know. And maybe we should we'll get to one. Maybe you should ask one. Let's hit
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Where's my camera? I would love to hear more about Chris Rios. And you remember my uh That's great. And when you get down from central California down to see Chris Rios for your haircut, do you usually
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fly or drive or how does that work? Chris located in Beverly Hills vertical. I drive and I drive by where you live, which will stay on the school. It's Ventura County. I say that it's a
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vast county. Yeah. But I drive by and I do honk and I yell, "Who'll stop the rain?" And I've
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never heard a response. When you run the office, I have some hard-hitting questions. Have
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you met Steve Carell? What's his net worth at this point? Ballpark. It's vast. And he would hate that question. He really would. Cuz he's very Midwestern. Yes. Very sweet. But can we talk about code
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three for just a minute? I want to get it in and then get it. Let's get We'll get in and out of code three. But let's do a quick C code three.
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Yeah. Code three. Yes. Code three is the greatest movie ever made. Um, it actually is a quite
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good movie and we've got 97% on Rotten Tomatoes right now from the audiences. I have that total from all
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97%. We we've got 3% for this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. But it's about um it's about uh 24 hours from hell in the life of these burntout paramedics. It's very funny. Little Howry co-stars.
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uh is kind of looking at the underbelly underbelly of like the American health care system, but it's also a lot of fun
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and kind of a popcorn fun movie. And um yeah, I I'm really I'm really happy with
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it. So, it's all one day. I kind of like that. It's essentially it's like it's kind of like
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The Pit. Like it's all just like really condensed one last It's my last shift and it's this newcomer played by uh Amy Carrero. It's her first shift and they
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kind of doveetail and uh you're you're driving around driving around LA in the middle of the
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night and uh answering some crazy calls and trying to figure out the meaning of life along the
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way. Can I tell you a true true quick 30 second story about a paramedic? And I wonder if this kind of
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sensibility is in your movie. So he's a paramedic and he said him and his partner they would go to these scenes
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where someone's lost a you know it's horrific and then when they would leave for themselves they would put on queen
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song another one bites the dust just to alleviate the stress whatever reason another one bites the dust you know I don't so is there stuff like that how does par
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how do paramedics deal with that in your movie the heaviness of it the stress of
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it and the intensity Well, that's what I really learned doing this movie was like this population and we got to hang out
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with them, train with them. We did a ride along in South Central with uh with the fire department. Like they're so
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colossally burned out. So much is asked of them. They're so underpaid you can't even believe. Like literally, what they make? Like they lit they're literally making somewhere like in the 20 $25 an hour
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ultimately. Um, and it's like kind of Starbucks rate essentially. They go into dangerous situations, too.
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Absolutely. All the time. They get shot at, they get vomited on, they get needle sticks,
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they get blood. I mean, and and you know, they're going into some really dangerous neighborhoods and and patients
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get mad at them, doctors get mad at them, cops get mad at them. Yeah. They're under I mean, this these are
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real American heroes. But going to the Another one bites the dust. They have a gallows humor, man. They have they have
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a dark dark humor which you've got to have to survive. Well, it must be so heavy, intense, and
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traumatic just to be on that end and you're watching it every day and people in pain. Also, a lot of people fight back and
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they're getting punched by drunk people and it's like I see them on cop shows like, "Oh, these guys have got the
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roughest job." They they really do. But it sounds fun. I mean, it just sounds like a a fun thing to do. 24
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hours or whatever, a tight amount of time, your last day, her first day, and little
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is very funny. And uh that's just something I haven't seen a lot. So, that's a good area.
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Yeah. Yeah. Audiences are really are really digging it when you know. Yeah. So, thanks. Try not to smile. Yeah. He likes it.
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Staying on your I've heard I've heard I read some things. You're great in the movie is what I read. I haven't seen the
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movie, but Okay. Mhm. So, that's kind of cool. Yeah. Thanks. You know how to do this. I You know, I have a I do good acting. Yeah, that's You got that.
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That was my very first movie. Galaxy Quest was really funny. I don't know if everyone understands how funny that was. You saw it?
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I saw it. You got to be in that. And did you you read it and said, "This thing's funny." You could tell right away. This is this is crazy cuz I did nothing
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but theater in New York for like 10 years and I came out to LA in 1999 and for some reason I got cast in two movies
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in the same summer. Galaxy Quest and Almost Famous. Those were my first two movies, two of like
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the greatest movies ever made. I had small roles in them, but I was like, "Oh my god, I'm I'm set. I'm going to be a
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movie star." And I promptly like didn't work for a year and a half. So, and what did you do when you weren't working for an hour and a half? Did you just had
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enough money saved, scrambled, get on a c? How poor were you? You know, you know, I was so You know what I did?
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Mhm. I'm so glad you asked that question because my friend was teaching acting classes in Hollywood at like the world's
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worst acting studio and it was all acting students from like all over the world because people don't know this in
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Hollywood like people come from Sweden and Korea and Mongolia and you know Pakistan to go be actors like on American TV shows. They have very thick accents. God bless them. Yeah. And
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but they take acting classes and so I taught acting at H literally Hollywood and Vine in a studio and they they would hand out I didn't get to choose the
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scenes. They would do scenes from American TV shows to foreign students. So I remember directing this scene. I'm not even making this up. I'm not even making this up. I directed uh a scene
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from Kagny and Lacy starring a woman, a a Japanese woman. Okay, here we go. And a Swedish woman. Please act that playing Kagny and Lacy. I'm not going to
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do the Japanese accent, but you could do the Swedish. So, not we we can imagine that. But
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yeah, she was like, "Why is the Swedish not offensive?" Yeah, cuz Northern Europeans, I don't know. That's that's one of my works.
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Do the Japanese one day. I'm Norwegian. I get to make fun of Scandinavians. But she was like, she was like, "Oh, okay. Kagney, you you embarrassed
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me in front of the whole, you know, in front of the whole department and the and uh, you know, Lucas, she's so mad at
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me. I don't know what to do." And then the other person responds and then and trying to keep a straight face to give them like, "But they're trying, what's your intention? They're trying so hard
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and they're trying so hard and they want to be discovered and they've come to Hollywood to follow their dream of being an actor and that this second rate
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studio this that's so funny that was what I was doing to pay the bills after I had done Galaxy say you
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have crossed so many lines today I'm worried about you is that a Norwegian or Swedish that was good that was like Swedish chef Swedish chef it's a little bit of an is sneaking
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in there every time I do a European Arnold slips Arnold just covers all of slips into a lot of things. Yeah. Let's look at a clip. Let me tell you.
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Where's the man? Let me tell you. Let me tell He always asks. He always That's his He's like Trump in that way. Let me tell you
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something. I'm going to tell you something. But first, let me ask you to let me tell you something because I want
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you to let me tell you something. Ask you something that I'll tell you. Yeah. I'm going to I tell then I tell you and then then I ask you again if I
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could tell you something. You guys, this is a front row seat to watch Dana Carvey do impressions. I'm 3 and 1/2 ft away
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from him. This is a joy. I'm so tingly with happiness right now. My god, that's so flattering. And you're right to the camera. I love that you're on your podcast. I love it.
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I mean, and it's great. Can you push in a little bit? Is this the training from the office? You can push in and post, right?
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8K. Yeah, we'll take care of you. Yeah. 8K. 8K. Oh, you can get right up in here. Oh, no. But they download it in 1080p.
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Why do you think this mic is covering my neck? I'm not a fool. All my age is here. Because I'm Irish,
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Norwegian, and Scottish. Grew up in California. Do the math. Let me tell you something.
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I'm going to tell you what this if you listen to me now and listen to me. Good. Hear me now. Unbelievable.
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Cuz here's what I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here it goes. I'm going to say this.
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Sit down. Fasten your seat belt. Here's the deal. Here's a good trick. went to Arnold. I don't really Arnold, but when when they
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would ask about anything personal, he would answer his own answers because he's on camera, so they can't use. They
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go, "Now, what happened with that mate?" He goes, "This movie is action-packed." And then they go, "What?" And they go,
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"He's only giving quotes they can use about the movie, so he just never answers." No, the the truth of Arnold and which my
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brother and I have three brothers, one we have this catchphrase of with each other like, "What would Arnold do?" Because he can't go negative. He
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literally can't go negative. A bit like Trump. Not to get in that they can't, you know, it's always promoting always.
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So, you had a movie, The Last Action Hero, that didn't do too well. He's on, you know, NBC today or something, Matt Low or whatever. So, you'd had trouble.
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No, the truth is the people are loving the movie and all over the world, the people enjoy. Yeah, but the box office,
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yeah, everybody loves it and it's doing very well and all these things and this and that. So, anyway, that's my Arnold
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section. No, it's a good way to promote because well, be positive. Well, it's funny. I kind of I I still
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haven't learned my lesson. Um I this they I was did a podcast in New York just a week or two ago and they and the
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guy was very just smart, wonderful, nuanced conversation. He's like, "Could you make The Office in today's, you know, kind of more PC landscape." And I and I
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talked about it in a very kind of nuanced fashion. Like, well, that's a tough one. You know, we had some episodes where, you know, we've got lead
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characters that are clueless, right? They can be racist, they can be sexist. And you know, there's, you know, the
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episode where we, you know, marked on the they marked on the the the Asian women to like tell them apart. There's stuff like that that's really like pushing the envelope, but that's where there's a great source of comedy, blah
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blah blah. It was front page like Rain Wilson, The Office was racist. Giant clickbait kind of thing. Click baited and I clicked. You went you went for it. Oh yeah. I said what?
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Then he texted me about it like I said this [ __ ] guy. We can't have one. What is that about? What? I
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cancel cancel cancel it. I go cancel somebody involved. I don't know who, but let's start cancing.
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Cancel him. But whenever I talk about anything like that, cuz we're sort of a neutral podcast. We're just trying to be
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friendly and make money. Yeah. Um so, you know, the new is not a big money-making gig. Let's face it. Let's not let the viewers know. Yeah. No, it's it's not at all.
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They're like, "Where does he get those shoes?" Those camera uh it it's it does say does well. But my
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point is doesn't the nuance of stuff. You strangle yourself into nuance and you feel like
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you almost said nothing and then somebody somewhere pulls it out. Happens all the time. There was another
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one I did a couple years back where I talked about like, you know, I went through some really unhappy times on the
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set of The Office because of like, you know, I wanted to do more movies and I was just I thought that I should have more opportunities and I was comp, you
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know, complaining a lot and I wish I hadn't have been in that space and it was like Rain Wilson miserable on the
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set of The Office. The Office who's this I could have written a better one. But but the the the producers like the Chump and the Seahawks hat, they're going to they're going to they're going
00:21:32
to do the same thing for your clips. And it it's Listen, everyone, I was not miserable on
00:21:39
the side of the office. I had some struggles with early fame and mental health. And guess what? the office could kind of push a lot of buttons around
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race and sexism and and issues in a way that would be trickier today could still
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be done and that I don't think the office is racist and I was happy as a clam on the set of the office. Thank you
00:22:04
and good night. I'm going to podcast. Here's the here's that headline. He still hates the He still Rain Wilson tried to dodge a question on Fly on the Wall, but he was
00:22:17
called out by I tell you I I when I worked on Just Shoot Me, oh my god, a couple people remember. Thank you. When I worked on a
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sitcom and ER was going on uh around the same time, someone quit ER and was making so much
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money and no one no one could believe it. It was one one of Sherry Stringfellow. Yes. And everyone's like, "How could you?" And she's like,
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I'm in a studio 24 hours a day cuz it's like a never- ending movie those those shows. So
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she gets like a month and a half off in the summer and then they go right back in. It's memorizing lines all day. The ER has got to be the hardest. Memorize
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memorize. You have to memorize all that medical jargon. Yeah. And you got to go, hey, put the squeeze. Got ringers lactate over here.
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So that um lactate 10 cc's of ringers lactate. That was an emergency show. So anyway, she quit and I kind of go, she may regret it later down the line, but I
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get she needs a [ __ ] breather. There's no mental days back then. There's no taking a break. It's just like grind, grind, grind. And
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the money means nothing. She's not even spending it. She never sees it. It's just work, work. So maybe there's times on shows when you do get like when
00:23:19
there's so many miles to feed on the office. Sometimes you have light shows. I remember love it. Well, all of us,
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let's say, when SNL, you'd have one sketch that week, sometimes none. It's just a weird vibe in your head of like, am I going to get fired? Am I Am I doing enough? Can I keep up with these people?
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Shouldn't I thought I was funny in this? Could they put me? And that's just constantly. It might be like that on
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your set, too. Sure. Every set, probably. Yeah. But did anyone ever distort that with you like David Spades ungrateful? No.
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Any of that? They will. They will now. You said that. Yeah, they will now. David Spade miserable on the set of SNL.
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But you I think everyone is but but you came before you didn't get to see Dana cuz you were 2007. When wait when did
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you host? Um I 2007 or eight something like that. Like three times. Sorry. You and I together could be in the five-timer club. Um I did host in 2010. That was
00:24:18
the last time or 11 with you didn't get wig and I did not. Yeah. Billy Billy hater, you
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know, Billy Hater was there. Will hat her. Um, I got to see Dana in action though because I was I got on when he was on
00:24:31
already then I got on. But you're right about those impressions. Every time Dana goes out there was a score characters. People say
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church is number one. Rainy rainy rain time. Unhappy with the office. Are we too racist to continue? Shut up.
00:24:50
What do you think? more to teeny tiny tiny tiny. That thing was exhausting to Kentucky. But um I had one. So I had a botch bypass in 1989 97. So but I never had a
00:25:03
heart attack. Everyone gets quiet. How was your heart attack? Look at me now. You know it's a big difference. Are you okay?
00:25:09
That's what I say every 10 seconds. Hold on. Yes. Um so as far as Show us the scars. So then I'm doing a movie. So it scars. Uh, it's very faint.
00:25:22
I like I like to I'm sexy with it. It never bothered me. So anyway, my heart's really good. My resting pulse is falling, whatever. So, but I was doing a goofy movie and
00:25:34
the tabloids, they go, "The tabloids are here and they think you're too exhausted. You can't do the movie." It's like three years later. So, I said,
00:25:40
"Well, let me call him. Let's call him." So, I said, "Okay." So, I call a National Enquir guy and I go, "I never
00:25:48
had any heart problems. It was just a a stent that needed to be, you know, and uh I'm totally fine and um I just had one bypass." So, next day, National
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Choir, Dana Carvey has five open heart surgeries and hates the office. Hates the office. Well, at the end, I didn't want to say, I don't know why, says Rain Wilson. Yeah. And I don't know why in those days
00:26:13
that was such that's amazing that it would just be a boldfaced lie just a lie and then you're like do you go to court
00:26:19
you know that kind of thing. No, there was one time when I went to like you know how the uh did you guys ever do
00:26:25
press in Canada and they have the much TV it's their version of MTV something and um I did some festival and introduced some bands and did some interviews and stuff and then
00:26:38
um the what was it uh not in sync boy in the hood boys or something one of those boy bands back street boy was there I And then there was a gossip
00:26:51
site that said like Rain Wilson had altercation with Backstreet Boys or something like I
00:26:57
never even like met them. And my boss just called this site and was like and there's he's like I just needed a I
00:27:04
needed a headline. I need something. That's so the honesty of that. I need I need to waste your money.
00:27:11
Yeah. anytime anytime. One time my mom got called and she goes, "Oh, they were wondering who you were dating." And I go, "Mom, it was the National Enquir." She goes, "No, it was American Media. It
00:27:22
was a reporter." And I go, "That's who owns the National." But they say that's a good slippery way to get it
00:27:27
by calling my mom in Arizona for anything about anything that would happen in your life. And then
00:27:33
I go, "Mom, just re just realize I just don't do it." But they get your phone number. It's all so creepy.
00:27:39
All so bad. Here's one. Maybe we can get a trend on this. Yeah. Back to you, Dana. What
00:27:45
What would is there any question that hasn't been asked of you yet around the office? Because I wouldn't even know where to start. I assume you've done so many interviews. Is there something we
00:27:59
don't know? I need a banger. We need a [ __ ] banger. You need The future of this podcast is
00:28:07
resting on You said it was No, we make a lot of money. I'm telling you, but uh uh could always make more. Go ahead. No. Um I really I can't That's a great question
00:28:19
and I don't have an answer. The question I had, but I know you've been asked this a million times. The Dwight Hair.
00:28:25
Yeah. The origin of that. I stole it from McKenzie Crook who played Gareth on the British office. Oh,
00:28:32
because I read an article that he went to like a like the [ __ ] hole barber shop
00:28:38
in like in in slow where it was set and like got like the least flattering haircut for his hair. It was the probably the best hair in comic television.
00:28:50
And I I just lifted that from him. I'm like, let's design the worst possible haircut for me. I was not thinking about
00:28:57
wearing that haircut for nine seasons of 200 episodes. And the cuz I have an enormous forehead.
00:29:05
I I do too. And And so it's just revealing it like it's these little curtains, you know?
00:29:10
It's like it's like a little Broadway set like you could do Oklahoma perform it here with finger puppets.
00:29:16
And uh Yeah, that's a good Yeah. Was there ever an episode where they the girls were scheming to get you
00:29:23
a new haircut? That would have been a good pitch. That would have been up. Did you ever refer to
00:29:29
used to work with us? Was that referred to? Do you remember that Dana? Huh? Greg Daniel when he was on SNL.
00:29:34
Yeah. Oh, nice. He was a writer with Conan and I remember him and Con coming right out of Harvard. They look like they were 12.
00:29:40
Do you remember any sketches that they might have wrote that you were in a lot? Did a George Will. George Will. George Will sketch.
00:29:52
George Will the conservative commentator. Yeah. Yeah, boy. That's back when SNL was smart.
00:29:57
Cuz now it's like Fart Police, you know what I mean? Is that a movie now? Did they do a
00:30:02
spin-off? I asked I asked my friends there. They're already fart. Why don't you guys do
00:30:10
uh Tucker Carlson, Senator John Kennedy. They don't even do Bobby Kennedy. That's the Trump people. But there's a lot of
00:30:17
people to do, but they're just like, we're not really into that anymore. I don't know. I mean I we do John Kennedy
00:30:24
because we just think he's Senator John Kennedy. Who was the writer that would always have the political stuff at the top of
00:30:30
the show? Downey or Franken. I those were the two twin that I worked with with George Boren on political
00:30:36
stuff. It was Downey. Yeah. And Al Franken. And they they would always they would
00:30:42
lead with it. Even if it wasn't they knew it wasn't going to be the most popular sketch, they would just come
00:30:47
out. Downey hated the idea of playing to the Yahoos. not laughing but and Franken was uh you know really into politics so that all
00:31:00
informed itself into it and I wanted to just go n got that. So the three of us together it worked. Yeah. They make the cake together. Yeah.
00:31:12
But SNL, you know, I don't want I don't want to be a grumpy old cast member. It's not the way it used to be. So I
00:31:19
there's a lot of great people that are funny and they do great sketches. I mean, so but is it the same? No, it has
00:31:25
to evol. It has to evolve. Some come out as stars, some are not enough and eventually leave. And it's
00:31:31
just such a Well, what's your hot take on it? Yeah. Go on SNL. I need a hot take.
00:31:38
I don't have a hot take on The Office or SN. I don't have any hot take. I'm out of hot takes. Good takes.
00:31:43
I really am. Rain Wilson is out of hot takes. I went on a podcast the other day that just
00:31:48
came out takes. I had my my hot my hottest hot take was that the DMV is actually really good at
00:31:55
their job and it's a actually really successful institution that monitors like 200 million drivers licenses, license tests, boats
00:32:07
and like oh boohoo I had to wait 52 minutes in line. Yeah. Guess what [ __ ] 200 million people. They're cycling through there and
00:32:18
everything is kept track of addresses, driver's licenses, numbers, you know, boat things, bad photo, like it works like clockwork. It is. It should be
00:32:30
That's going to be my next movie. Code DMV. Oh, that would be good. Only got my tooth.
00:32:36
Yep. Up. We had a small injury. Um, all right. I got having respect for these these
00:32:43
governmentions. You can't use it. That's too hot of a take. We can't loving the DMV. What do you think? You have a good license. You don't have thoughts. You don't have
00:32:53
thoughts. My thoughts on the DMV. Um, you want to disagree? You want to push back? No, I don't want to fight. Let's get into it. No
00:33:00
firing line right now. Meet the press. Let's go. I'll get cancelled. My takes in the DMV. You got to bring a lot of stuff. Have
00:33:05
you renewed a license recently at the DMV? Yeah. Mhm. Did you just go once and it
00:33:11
got renewed or did you have to go back a second time because you didn't have secondary proof of your address? I had to like retake my motorcycle
00:33:18
written test or something like that and it went great. I barely passed but I did pass and it was
00:33:25
was an hour and 20 minutes of my day. And do I want I want to get the temperature on what you're saying here. Would you
00:33:32
ever go to a California Department of Motor Vehicles just to kind of hang out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have a question. Okay. Another follow-up. There's a million
00:33:43
questions. Banger. What's the difference between a real ID and your license? Go. It has a picture of a bear on it
00:33:49
and you can get on an airplane and that's what we need. You can get on an airplane with it. I know. But is that is it good or bad?
00:33:54
What is it better than a license? Is it different? Is there some reason it's is it just they want you to go in again? I think you have to show some stuff that
00:34:02
proves that you're really an American citizen. Yes. Is that why my camera? It has a 3D dickpick on the back. The guy who helped me at the DMV, that was his name. Dickpick. I don't
00:34:13
understand. Spelled C. Kim Kardashian went and took got to take her picture 22 times.
00:34:19
She took her driver's license photo. How do you know that? Because it was on that episode.
00:34:25
They went there with a guy. Oh, it was. And then they said and she didn't like her picture and she brought a ring light.
00:34:32
Am I right, Heather? It's your guy, too. Oh, yeah. So, um, we have a guy, the guy that got me in the back, too.
00:34:37
We have a concierge guy who got You have a concierge DMV guy. You diva of little [ __ ] Look at you.
00:34:45
Damn DMV and standing the [ __ ] Oh, no. I have to take some photos. No, but I have to. It takes a full
00:34:51
minute. Cut. So, cut to the us after the podcast. Rain's like, "How would I How do you think this podcast is
00:34:58
How is this going so far?" Heather carrying the ring light. One of my one of my favorites. I like barely controlled mayhem. I I cuz it
00:35:05
this is fun for me. You have some good questions down on there. Well, we haven't did them yet, but
00:35:11
they're there. Well, we should talk about Soul Boom, your podcast, the name of it. I don't have to plug my stuff. That's
00:35:17
okay. I like Okay, I take that back. Soul Boom is a podcast that I do. Well, you have a you have an huge Don't listen to him. Don't listen to
00:35:28
him. Cut here. Cut back here. No. Soul Soul Boom. Danny, you're not allowed to get a
00:35:35
That's never happened. It's never happened, but we never had a guy from the office who knows the play
00:35:41
to the lens. Uh, Soul Boom is a podcast that I do that's about spirituality, mental health, philosophy, metaphysics, but it's also funny and we we laugh a lot and have some great
00:35:53
conversations and it's going great and people like it and it's fun and I love it. So, this is kind of this other side
00:35:59
of your personality of of spirituality, investigatory, all about it, how it can heal the world. I'm gonna I'm gonna cut I'm going to cut to the chase. I want to hear I'm a colossal [ __ ] I had a lot of mental
00:36:11
health problems. I have a lot of addiction problems and I needed spirituality to kind of save my ass. And
00:36:18
so, I like to talk about it and read about it and think about it. Period. That's just it. There's no
00:36:23
simple. Julia Cameron says, "I come to spirituality not out of virtue but out of necessity." So for me, it's like it's
00:36:29
tools that help me in my life because otherwise I tend to be very miserable and self-destructive. Billions of people because what better
00:36:37
topic or question is there how did we get here and what are we doing here? Yeah. What is our purpose and how did we get here? So that never goes away. So that
00:36:48
leads you to I'm so tiny and I will be dead for a trillion years. Yep. Or or infinity. So I don't mind talk about astrophysics, how earth, have I
00:37:00
been here before? Am I reincarnated? There's a lot of things. Is there is there enough? How does that
00:37:06
work? What happens when we die? Do we have a soul? All that. Have you had a supernatural experience? I mean, have you seen Have
00:37:13
you felt the other side or felt the presence of a goat or anything like that? Presence of a goat. Goat. A goat. I People say goat all the time. Michael Jordan at a restaurant.
00:37:24
Have you slept with a goat? That's my question. I have [ __ ] a goat. Yes. And you know,
00:37:31
I'm not sleep is a little more PG for our podcast. I like it. So long. I'm sorry. Made love on camera. Made love. He doesn't know. Wide. You don't know your lenses.
00:37:42
We don't We have four [ __ ] cameras. This is for real. This the most we have. My father passed away about 5 years ago.
00:37:49
And there were a lot of profound things that came up for me in that. And when I was preparing his body for burial and we washed the body and wrapped it in a shroud and
00:38:01
uh uh I realized like, oh, these are just corporeal vessels that carry our essence. This was not him. This was just a shell. A shell. Exactly. A meat suit. A meat
00:38:16
suit. A a flesh tuxedo. shell better. It's a little I like shell better. Yeah, totally. We're just our
00:38:22
I like meat suit better. Okay. Two against one. As long as it fits, right? Yeah.
00:38:27
Um and but there's nothing there. You just see a person, you're like, I I have a dialogue with my father that
00:38:33
I feel is very strong. And I know that sounds like woo woo and crazy, but I really And it's not like I hear him going, "Rain, pick up your socks." Or
00:38:40
something like that. Like but I definitely like there's some conversations presents and sometimes like the other day I was kind of making coffee in our little coffee nook and I was like
00:38:52
he's here with me like I just I don't know what it I was just like he's like here with me
00:38:58
and so you know was there a was there a vision or something like that not exactly but a lot of a in intuition so we were very close we had a very
00:39:08
deep connected relationship So, I think that's nice. It also helps cope after these things happen.
00:39:14
Yeah. And uh and who knows, man. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows where Wilson hates the office and speaks to
00:39:21
his dead ghost father, ghost dad, Bill Cosby. You ever see that one? Sorry. Dana Carvey canled for doing Cosby in person. You can't even do an impression. Oh, in 20.
00:39:38
Did you see Ghost Dad? It's pretty good. I remember Ghost. I don't know if I saw Is that Bill Cosby? Yeah.
00:39:43
Yeah. Bill Cosby in the 60s. His albums were just like, "Oh my god." Everybody was in awe of Fat Albert stuff
00:39:50
like that. I don't even know what happened, but everyone stopped hanging out with him. I don't even remember what happened.
00:39:55
What? Everyone just kind of dropped him. Yeah. I did a bit in 2016. I can't do now.
00:40:01
Believe. Go ahead. Please do. You see the lady and she get the pills and just Yeah. Don't do it. It's just mumbling because
00:40:15
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or Amazon today. Did you guys like the office? Just be honest. For real. For real. Yes. And I will
00:41:52
I went to a taping of Just Shoot Me. Oh, you did? Yeah. cuz Enrico Colin Tony was in Galaxy Quest. Oh, he was I uh went in
00:42:00
and all I remember is like I was so hungry I hadn't eaten and I thought there would be like more food
00:42:06
and there wasn't like they didn't like bring the I had to like ask him to get me some food. He had a security guard
00:42:11
like get me some food. Were you in the crowd? Yeah. And they and they used to give like one pizza for everybody and they hit it like
00:42:16
a bunch of [ __ ] Wolverines because they don't feed them for they keep you there for 4 hours. I was starving but it was very funny to
00:42:22
watch. I was uh very impressed. You guys were just so deaf and yeah, it was it was a really great He was the f um show I did like The Office and I will say the
00:42:36
funny thing is how some of these things were a little rough on the edges. Some of these jokes were a little controversial today, but today it still
00:42:43
kills. So it does make sense. Everyone still loves it. So you go Could I make an observation?
00:42:48
Yeah. If if Steve Carell was Michael Scott. Yeah. Steve, he's character is so clueless and saying such crazy stuff. Is it Is it sat isn't it satire as opposed
00:43:03
to offensive? Isn't it making fun of clueless people who say and do offensive things? But Ricky Jervves is so brilliant at that. And that was the setup. Like if you have the most clueless,
00:43:15
unself-conscious person who's only going to kind of speak before they think at the center of a
00:43:21
show, you can get away with everyone as long as you cut to the reactions of everyone going
00:43:26
right rolling their eyes. Then he can say the most offensive [ __ ] known to man. It's a brilliant comic setup.
00:43:32
Yeah, I'll do Stanley reaction. Ready? Yeah, that's good. That's not bad. That's
00:43:39
good. Okay. Someone says something racist and foul. Who is that person? Is that you? That's me saying no. Oh, that you know you can use glasses as as a
00:43:53
kind of a thing. I That's ridiculous. Here's Here's me on the office. You say something too sexual.
00:43:59
Okay. Look at my desk and I look at the camera. Here's me. What is as Stanley or as David Spade? That's me if I'm on the audience. Okay. But I'm playing like just some hot guy
00:44:10
or something. Yeah. Just some hot guy. Yeah. Here's me watching The Office and I see that it's an episode about Dwight.
00:44:17
[ __ ] Wow. That's you read through. Well, that's how you welcome me to your show. That was me doing a non joke. Of course.
00:44:24
I love you. Here's me read through and it's Dwight Heavy. [Laughter] Jo, but you did it better. The um
00:44:37
defense and whatever. But yeah, I love The Office. the tension of it, the the the you know it was revolutionary and I
00:44:45
don't think any other series for the last 25 years is retained its popularity like the office
00:44:52
popularity or yeah because I I think that people when we were finishing the show Steve had left our
00:44:58
ratings were in decline you know frankly the show got worse in its last couple of seasons um there were still some great
00:45:06
episodes and was still better than most everything else on TV but you know you lose one of the great comic geniuses of
00:45:12
all time, it's going to take a hit. And then uh after it can't uh when was that? 2014 15
00:45:19
or something like that. There was a couple years there no one was thinking about The Office and the streaming brought it back and there's something
00:45:24
about it that's so evergreen. I don't know what it is. It's fluorescent lights, cubicles.
00:45:29
Uh it just kind of men's warehouse style suits. Like it just it just kind of it doesn't feel dated at
00:45:37
all. watch some other stuff and it just feels like wow that looks like 1994 right there on my TV
00:45:42
set and a great show you always feel like no other actor could play every single part that's good yeah there's like no one could have played Dwight except you
00:45:54
Steve Carell his part you know it's just like that's what great great shows you can't imagine anyone else
00:46:00
yeah you can't imagine Seinfeld with any other different lead I beg to devil sorry
00:46:06
that's Seinfeld That's Seinfeld. It's very That was Seinfeld. I do Seinfeld as a serial killer. That's
00:46:12
the only I think I'm going to get down in your spleen and just got up like that. So, you know that that gear he's
00:46:19
got where he goes, I think I could maybe do this. What are these people doing? Then he goes up there. We love Jerry.
00:46:26
He's brilliant. Have you looked at a Pop-Tart? That just sounds like the beginning of something. It's it is pretty good as
00:46:33
like he invented the what's the deal with kind of set of jaws. What's the deal with the DMV? Like
00:46:40
what's the deal with this glass? Is is this glass half full or half empty? What's the deal with that? No. All well written though. He's got so
00:46:46
many such Could I do my one? I've done it before, but it's Jerry's new It's an LP. It's an album. Okay. Jerry Seinfeld does comedy live album.
00:46:53
It's just a picture of Jerry like this and the the the title is paper clips. Why?
00:47:01
Exactly. I like that. Paper clips. Why got nothing? I don't feel like we got to any of those questions.
00:47:07
How many other guests? How many other shows are you doing today? We rarely do two.
00:47:13
No, we we're doing two today. We Who's coming in? Terry Hatcher. Was she at the same time as you were on
00:47:20
Housewives? Yeah. Okay. Were you ever the pool boy? I never was the pool boy. Did you ever see her out and about at Emmy parties? Yes, I we we bumped into each other. Sure. We uh we bumped
00:47:33
uglies. Okay. Well, I love that because I watch Terry's really nice and a really good actor. I I think I did a reading in New
00:47:40
York theater with her, too. She's very Yeah. Got a Golden Globe or something for that. Yeah. I love that you love Star Trek and and
00:47:47
Kung Fu. Yeah. The TV show. Kung Fu Keratine. Yeah. Well, in uh I watch that every day. I watch Star Trek Next Gen now. You know, I'm re-watching episodes.
00:47:58
Oh, how how is that? Is it holding up like re-watching it on the rewatch? Well, could you watch all this stuff?
00:48:04
That's what's your favorite season of that show? Like, could you skip season one? Go because it gets better. I think it did get better. But I think
00:48:10
Brent Spiner is brilliant in that character. And I think Patrick Stewart, the gravitas he brings, Mr. Da show one is so
00:48:21
and it's also it's a morality play. You want to be Patrick Stewart's character. You want to be Captain Beard. He's just
00:48:28
got this moral compass. It's really kind of a cat and mouse game and they're trying to help a civilization evolve.
00:48:35
It's very feelgood. It's not a lot of these shows are so toxic now and dark that you just Well, you know, there was an interesting
00:48:41
thing about the next generation which is Rodenberry thought that at that point in time in humanity's uh evolution, there
00:48:47
would no longer be disagreements between people. Oh. And so if you notice on next gen in,
00:48:52
you know, we're doing the best we can, Captain. Give it more. Like the original series, they're like they're butting heads a lot.
00:48:58
We got no more power, Captain. Yeah. Make it so. So go ahead. Oh my god, that's so delicious. That was the first one. But the um but the next generation, they
00:49:09
didn't they didn't argue like that. You never heard him saying like, "Number one, make it so." And like like captain,
00:49:16
we're not gonna No, you're right. are really in the same frequency. So, the ideas had had to be deeper. And
00:49:23
uh yeah, I thought there was an episode, do you remember the episode where they were playing a video game and it was it
00:49:29
was kind of like a what's that little serpent game going around? And and they would get a um
00:49:37
it it planted like a thing in their brain to give them a dopamine hit every time. And they were all like playing this video game and they were all
00:49:43
getting these dopamine hits, but it was actually an alien invading like their brain. And it it it precaged
00:49:50
the word. It precaged like video games, our dopamine dumping devices that we keep in our in our pockets with endless video games and porn and YouTube clips
00:50:00
and uh yeah, you can find excited when you talk about it. I'll show you. I'm getting pre-dopamine.
00:50:08
I drink I eat a cereal called Dopaminis. Little mini Dopamine hits. And I go Dopaminis. They're delicious. We should see if we can get it. We should get Let's start doing fake sponsors.
00:50:20
Can I stay for the Terry Hatcher? You should stay. You absolutely can. We Can I just I'll just sit back there. We
00:50:26
I love listening to you guys. You She's going to be good because let me tell you, she hosted when I was there. So my best
00:50:32
guest, but uh I'm going to leave you guys. But um um I got a million things going today.
00:50:37
I just got a new abocus. I have a new a new podcast. I'm This is our first episode. We're just going to
00:50:43
start. It's called Rain and Me. And um you're filming the second one. I'm leaving and then you We're I'm launching a new podcast. Rain
00:50:50
and Me. Okay. U David and obviously it fly on the wall. Yeah. There's so many you could do. Let it rain. There's so many so many I got teased mercilessly. I really and I plus
00:51:02
it didn't help that I was uh kind of a nerd and a dick at the same time. So it was not a good No, I was very sweet but I was very nerdy and I had the name
00:51:13
Rain and I had a giant head and that was that was a toxic combination. George Seagull told me you have to have
00:51:20
a giant head to be a movie star because he had a giant head and he goes, "Who did George Seagull?" And he goes,
00:51:25
"You sorry." I go, "Oh, I don't know how many tiny headed movie stars." It has to
00:51:31
be. Well, Mickey Rooney was huge. Was it? I think it looks circular. Oh, yeah. What's the um the African queen guy? What's that? Bogart. Bogart. Giant giant grant.
00:51:47
Medium to large. But you're right. Like who's who has a tiny head? Who has a tiny little
00:51:54
Don KN? Maybe. I don't know if Andy Griffin looked like he had a big one. Yeah. Facing the crowd.
00:51:59
Maybe they just had little shoulders and little bodies. I don't know if it's an optical illusion. I don't think my head
00:52:04
very large at all. I've got a tiny head. Tiny head, but I've got tiny. I got to go. But he's got to go. You've got to get on the 405. Thank you. Thanks a picture. Look at this picture.
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