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oh Oh I thought what do you know okay we're in a bunker that's somewhere
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that's anyone yeah what are you eating now paper these are dots guys Jesus Remember these
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little kid no is that Sugar yeah I only had one that one uh Kenny Loggins Kenny Loggins what a stud by the way I saw
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Logan's Messina day on the Green Angry Eyes remember that lick I don't think I do you know anyway this
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was a really fun podcast for me personally because I love music and I love musicians and Kenny Loggins can
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really he's he's one he like in high school he wrote he just sat down on the
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guitar he's one of those savants I mean he's somebody who just knew how to sing
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and play guitar at a very early age his in his uh we really talk about his songwriting
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prowess and how he how he comes up with songs I mean we he sat right here remember he came over uh he sat here we
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had a blast looks the same he's a stud talk about how super famous he got there
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stadiums and just uh you know he's obviously uh such a big songwriter Loggins and Messina just Kenny Loggins
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yeah hit songs and hit movies soundtracks he that was big big money yeah I mean Footloose I mean come on
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and many many others I mean his song and um what's the Top Gun Top Gun that they
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wanted he wanted to redo it and they said no we want the exact same song oh we you know we had a big controversy
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because uh AI sang him Fruit Loops parody of uh of uh you know footloose and I couldn't remember the goddamn
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comedian that did it but I was doing the other comedians a bit but singing it to
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Kenny Loggins was a blast and he hadn't heard it and he thought it was funny and
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then uh and then on top gun I always thought until the day I saw him it was I went to the danger zone and it's Highway
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and we get in a big argument because I said there's not a highway in the sky I
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don't even understand what you're talking about I went to the danger zone
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yeah yeah I way too the danger I said that makes no sense that song shouldn't
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have worked so we thought about that got very tense I know Ed look um was it gonna get physical I never
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thought it went to that level he stood up we cut tape you know need to know this stuff this is behind the scene
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Anyway by the end we were friends but put it this way Kenny loggin is one of those people in the last long time maybe
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50 years has been a huge part of American music you don't even realize how much he's done
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and he's he's still out there touring he looks great I mean he's like he's Kenny
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Loggins he's a rock star so uh I found this really really interesting view to
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the audience it was great and uh it made me realize how boring I was because when
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I was hearing about assistant he was playing the Hollywood Bowl right after that we couldn't go and but anyway he
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couldn't find it I drove over there and I went round around I couldn't find the
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Hollywood Bowl I just started rolled down my window and went again hey toward the end he handed you a ukulele
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and you played a beautiful I said love the world who holds a little red paper cup hey guess what what song is that go
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paper cup that's called paper cups no Danny's Song Danny's Song and even
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though I don't have money I'm so in love now you know why I'm a comedian hey
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Jesus guess what news flash we don't we can cut this what was the first big badass song globally we're talking about
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the 19th century yeah it was like heavy metal in those days oh that's you know that's the only thing
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row row row your boat gently down the stream I'm not kidding this was a heavy
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metal huge Global hit gently gently yeah life is a dream that was very edgy that
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was like Metallica in 1860. stop I don't want to hear it let's look at a clip
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uh okay anyway um that's the only one we might actually cut I'm kidding no I just need a second
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huh you gotta take that Kenny yeah yeah we just did the thing no no Spade's cool
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with you it's fine we talked about danger zone highways all right next time you're at the ball
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hit me up okay buddy all right let's throw to it that was your mom [Laughter]
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what is it people smile tell me I'm lucky one that's a great song you know
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that song Heather and even though we ain't got money I'm so in love with your
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honor didn't we sing that to his face did he write that or not oh he really someone else did it oh he wrote it
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[ __ ] okay here's how this one goes dang I go give me a little daring to dare to dare to DARE and he's like God
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damn that's the beginning even though we didn't get all money we did it happening
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people smile and tell me I'm a lucky one life's Just Begun I think I'm gonna have
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a son he will be like you and me as free as a dove this is the hard part and the Sun
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is Gonna Shine it but here's the heartbeat even though we ain't got money
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oh my God he's good what the [ __ ] yeah head of a m um I'll call you later a m records I think
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I have someone you might want to meet they ran out of film about an hour ago all right that's good
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[Music] oh can't wait to get to this grilling okay I want to start with that song parody
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thing no I want I want I want to say one thing yeah Let's uh I finally saw it was about a year ago I
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saw your audition reel for Saturday Night Live oh oh I haven't even seen that tape is fantastic
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thank you it was a tape when I saw it yeah by the way how have we not seen this whole time I've never seen it I
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they're coming out with so many things I've never seen in my life rehearsals
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it's on YouTube anything they tape they can they can sell I mean I guess back
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then but they held it for so long because I just saw a video a rough video Dana of Thursdays doing promos you know
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they do promo with you you would be in it well they keep releasing them and you do with the host the music and then
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maybe one of the cast members and I would write those that was sort of my jury duty when I got there and so you
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get to meet people like you and and so it was me Lauren's up there sort of monitoring it
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the first floor impression came early uh and then uh and then it was Emilio Estevez was the host Pearl Jam was the
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band and so I'm explaining how to re you know this is what you say as you say and
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then I step back they don't just show the promo step back and watch and Lauren
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watches they try it and then they go cut but it still rolls and they go when they
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when you say they try it you mean not the actual actors no the actual actors are really taping it to me because it
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had to be exactly 30 seconds no no it had to be like uh what like nine yeah it was real really fast ones you had to put
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the host the music name and then you had to do a joke hi I'm Emilio Estevez so that's online and this
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is uh I'm hosting with Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and then we have four seconds
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for a joke and so I had to write like 12 of those jokes every week for a host and
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uh that's quite an exercise yeah did you do promos when you're there you had to
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do that on Thursday probably uh no but in back when I did it we didn't do promos musical act didn't do that who
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was your host you remember you don't have to okay 1982. I'm going to guess
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uh I don't know Mary Tyler Moore no 82. graduating high school 82 you were doing
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I was graduating uh High School in Arizona yeah but uh I was that was right in the pocket of me loving SNL for sure
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yeah me too because high school was like 22 degrees okay people think that when when I do those movies then you know do
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you hang out with Bill Murray and you you know right you know all that with like yeah all day yeah yeah and I you
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never meet the music's the last thing they do yeah you never meet the actors
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are on to their next or next next movie yeah the band is always the badass I mean look if we were talented like you
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yeah I would have gone into music that we all wanted to do what you did jealous this was our fallback I was in a little
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band I had a Hardy Boys uh book was my snare and I would kick a little hamper no I was like uh seven or eight but
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rockstars but I wouldn't want to ask you I just had a fly to fancy because this
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song Danny's Song which is really super iconic even if you haven't heard a while
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it's like the chord's like even though we ain't got money I'm still in love
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with you honey do you think that still Rings true to you because you just reminded me I did Gilbert Godfrey's show
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you did two years ago oh and we sang Danny's Song together oh really did he change the lyrics
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oh my God it was so funny but it's very romantic and very useful because you know in
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modern society it's like even though you're out of cash I'm leaving real fast
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but that's that young youthful you know you're going out of in Instagram
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followers I'm still yeah in high school senior in high school you sat down with
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a guitar yeah my my brother about you know having a baby and yeah moving and so that's why it's called Danny's son
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because it was taken from Danny's letter some of the lines in the song are actually I know one of them but what was
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your first question strong and kind but the Melody I mean how do you you start with it you know
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the album version so yeah that never made the single version cheese oh really he researched it oh really that's such a
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great line yeah I don't know why I never got high right they weren't going to
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play that under right I never go oh boy was lucky guys anything yeah yeah what was the sorry guy was it no boy I was a
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sorry guy yeah yeah uh because that song was a tearjerking well people adopted it you know
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the funniest part for me is playing benefit concerts where it's you know ten
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thousand dollars a plate and they're singing you know even though we ain't
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got money was there ever a time you didn't have money even though we're trying to recall
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I was in a Catholic Church once and the priest was going we you know in the name
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of the Lord we all need money and the whole church was there and then I saw Jeff Bezos going up and getting
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communion I thought well this guy could help out right maybe he did buy the church he buys
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everything you can see anyway but that song is amazing because I'm always fascinated by someone who can come up
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with a hook a melodic hook like that you're just strumming and then that comes to you right and some some people
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are better at it than others well and you're kind of one of the best it just
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it's just a thing that was there right from the very beginning you had it that
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I knew what a hook was and what was your guitar I'm sorry this is maybe too technical
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over time and how proficient were you on the guitar how many chords did you know
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when you when you wrote Danny's Song as a kid I think I used all the chords I
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knew on that it's like five years right did you do Barre chords um not at first nobody does you know
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anyway you can have the next question with tag team today speaking of bar chords Okay
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you're from Alhambra California which I've only heard about that City on
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traffic no human being really knows where it is if you know where Pasadena is yes
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are you thinking of altadine well altadine is there too we played we played Sports against these towns I hear
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that on weather reports uh okay so you asked tell him he's got that rock star
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life that's that's really Dana's well I just yeah I love I love the very end of
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your book uh because you kind of sum it up saying I you don't really want to be
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great Kenny Loggins anymore in a sense but we never had your fame or we're a
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rock star and that is a [ __ ] you're kind of a rock star in your world uh well thank you I was hoping you were
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gonna yeah take back everything I said right but you and you know I was just thinking the ride of that and when you
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become that famous and you were a full-blown sex symbol right I mean still am well of course you are now the ladies
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must go crazy I finally finally preserved and very handsome yeah but in the 70s and eight
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that's just heady stuff do you have a question my question is is waiting for
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your question yeah I was defining you okay but that must have been amazing but go ahead I think his Fame uh sort of I'm
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not relating you to me at all you're a huge [ __ ] rock star which but when I
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got famous it was a little easier to deal with because it was so incremental and I you know got on like locally in
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town I was doing stand-up and then some people knew me there so that was a little weird and then and then I got on
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like an HBO young comedian special then little more people SNL but didn't do
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much then I got a part in a movie but it wasn't the starting role so over time
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people started to know me but it took yeah you guys are famous at 51 yeah he was a rockstar but you did like it was
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21 right basically 22 21. that first my oldest son says Dad that [ __ ] you up right from the bird is that and what did
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you mean by that well you you miss out on the parts of life that you should be learning about right because it's all
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writing about because then you're writing you're not Anonymous anymore and
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you're not walking on uh absorbing life and getting a real reaction about the
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real world yeah the real world evolves yeah I never had to learn how to cook for myself yeah it's one of the things I
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wish that I would have gone through that phase and getting more friendly with the
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kitchen yeah how do you cook now I mean do you have yes Lisa Cooks um so you know I felt like when I felt
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famous for the first time in my 30s that I to certain people I became an idea or
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a concept you know um especially just getting wealth to like when did wealth come in for you
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like real well when did you first make a million yeah we loggers from Cena played the
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Troubadour as the opening act for Curtis Mayfield okay and then two weeks later I
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think it was they brought us back as Headliners because I guess the headliners dropped out and Weston needed
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somebody in a hurry yeah so they pulled us back in so it looked like the rise to
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that kind of thing back then that was huge FM radio was still a New Concept FM was oh yeah and so and so they adopted
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the Loggins and Messina record because we had these seven minute tracks where they could go out back and get stoned
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and then come back in and what was on that first album the first that got hit that was sitting in angry as was the
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second album but what were the hits off that sitting in shouldn't have had Danny's song Oh Danny and Marie covered
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before we got to it and it had Anne Murray of all people believe in me is that what she sings
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nope but she did Danny's but she also she was her own star oh yeah and then you sort
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of gave that to her and you said you want to come I gave it to her yeah she was with a had a friend and and
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that was her her friend her friend so I met her through her friend so you still get checks today from Anne Murray's
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cover and then you get checks for you you did your research didn't you yeah well I'm into royalties I want to know
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your net worth uh so anyway just to put that in context I'll be like Howard Stern you're 21 22.
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you've got a huge hit album you're getting famous girls love you you're
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getting really wealthy then what happens in those days you know I didn't have a
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girlfriend or a wife or anything no family so you know 21 years old you mean I would go on the road for
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300 days a year good because we just lived out there because there was nobody at home until you get famous do they
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deliver cocaine to your house or do you have to go buy it or how your underwear is made of cocaine and then you use it
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you gradually just take a vending machine at every gig and yeah so 300 days but you were getting figured out
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yeah that's what I asked for wow is that on a bus or you'd find a commercial or I
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mean that's just switched both on the East Coast you'll tend to bust because
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the the venues are closer together on the west coast you usually fly and they start to grow exponentially like it was
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you know to theaters or three thousands we started on a college tour so we played that's what we did gymnasium yeah
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and then that grows out to real venues the word gets around what size would be the real ones because I don't know if we
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really got past that well things happen pretty quick so yeah we probably did a short bit of what they call Performing
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Arts centers which are 2500 people and then we were suddenly in in outdoor you know venues I remember a show we played
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in I think it was Oakland mile obviously don't remember that show Paramount Theater and it was opening act
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was Peter Frampton then Fleetwood Mac Stevie and Lindsay had just joined the band so that hadn't caught on yet and
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then us and then Rod Stewart I told the balloon story in the book about God damn
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when you watch Jimmy bribe being the kid holding Rod Stewart's balloons to he
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gave him 50 bucks and said let him go now so hundreds of balloons take off for our
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Encore did you guys like with comedians it's always a pecking order like if there's comedians you're opening act
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tries to blow you away even those he's your friend if you're the headliner the
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middle tries to dominate you do you like to follow that [ __ ] Rod Stewart or did you feel that then or you're just
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where were you in that lineup we were third third but you followed Fleetwood Mac followed Fleetwood Mac they were
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pretty good were they they were okay what happened to them yeah I'm still jealous that you even knew Stevie Nicks
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and also rang her up to do a song which is it was uh yeah which is such a great song because I was their opening act for
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the better part of a year they open for Loggins and Messina when they started and then we'll then I
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opened for them when I went solo it was really the the duet with Stevie that launched my solo career on the radio the
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the amounts that that era that you touch you've worked with and interacted with
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is extraordinary had we known yeah so that we were iconic you should have tried to manage Fleetwood Mac or
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something yeah really I'm new to this but have you ever asked to manage somebody though right what's that you
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were asked to manage someone no yeah Dana nice try save that David no I thought I thought you said that's that
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none of that's true oh I swear to God I thought he said and you kicked him to your manager or
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they asked you who's a good manager oh well that was uh Michael Jackson see Dana you're here but you don't name
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Michael Jackson a little guy a little guy I wrote down something because I was listening listening to some of your
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stuff I listen to five four this morning four years ago I was listening on my iPod
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without knowing this was coming up they're already on no [ __ ] cool this phony over here this guy's a Showbiz
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phony I'm totally he gets competitive sometimes but he's good David might be
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helpful to give your notes to the people watching and Dirt Band I love and that was early on
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right yeah you wrote songs for them well no I wrote I wrote a couple songs for them yeah songs for them great not
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actually for them but I had these songs that I was playing we go to parties different parties around town and
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there'd always be like five or six musicians with their guitars and we just sit around in a circle we'd take turns
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oh my God and they would say we want that one two of the guys from the nitty-gritty Dirt Band were in the
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circle so they would do songs that they knew and then they came to me after this
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whole thing and said that one you did about the bear we want to do that one and can you come up to wow little canyon
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and sing sing your stuff for John McEwen so when you started doing your thing did
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people get kind of quiet then wait wait can you Kenny's got something I mean so
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when you were a songwriter it's so valuable for a band to have a guy come in and write to their scene just have a
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you know they recognize the style I was writing in with the style they were recording it
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[Music] I just wanted to insert this because it really made me laugh but in 1969 you
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were in a band called the new improved electric prunes was that real I don't
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know what the new improved part but that's what it was on Wikipedia the new improved electric prints no are they
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around anymore no there was an electric prunes that did I had too much to dream last night and a couple other hit
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records and and of course they got in a fight and the lead singer left and so they needed
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a couple new people in the band and so I got a call from my friend who was hired
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to do the new music Direction and I was going to Pasadena City College and he called me and said you want to go on the
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road I said yeah and you were a teenager basically well yeah close 19. anyway I was just leaping ahead here
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stylistically this is it hearing that song and your voice on that thing is Supernatural and it really reminded me
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or it was sort of a similar style to Michael Jackson that you can reach these notes I I don't know did people talk
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about your vocal performance on that song in specific you had so many but I was just kind of Blown Away by how you
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hit that thank you yeah no that I'm still struck the problem with all that is that recording in the 80s everything
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was up there and you could do it competing with foreign not necessarily healthy not sustainable
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exactly and we taking all that on the road now it's sometimes I have to drop a
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key here and there now I'm going to say this is it now Dana I'm coming out on a
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limb because it might be confusing me no was it about dad had always went to the
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hospital the heart yeah yeah that was and you were putting the other the song and then you sort of that song wrote
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itself where you go it's this is where it's headed this is yeah well the intro that I use in concert okay
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okay is that um when Mike and that was the second song that Michael and I wrote together
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Michael McDonald Dana yeah he's good he's Michael Jackson because I knew you
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were thinking of Michael Jackson and Michael McDonald is another unreal yeah go ahead and um the first one we wrote
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together was What a Fool Believes oh and then we waited about at least a year before we wrote a second song because
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the the fool wanted a Grammy and it was like it's most people with intelligence
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would go well we should write 12 more songs but we were intimidated by the success of the songs so we kind of
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avoided each other did you produce it together what a Fool Believes because no that was Teddy templeman so Elemental
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and almost cartoony in that hook and likes it are there any words I've never
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heard a hook like that those are the original words Michaels oh really just to make it like something
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and then you fill it in did you say you walked in and he was playing the beginning of that yeah it was I was
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standing outside his living room the door was a jar and and I was hearing and he sang the whole verse and stopped
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and my imagination kept going to this oh that's it knock on the door and say
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and then you think I know the next part of that song that's amazing I started
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doing it without even yeah but you mashed it like that opening is so brilliant it you always need that other
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thing and you got it yeah the release the B section release the beast and then it goes B sections don't exist anymore
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if you notice that sound Peter called the middle eights is that what they are well that's a Nashville thing okay and
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the B section is just showing someplace else for eight bars yeah yeah you know that's the thing you were talking about
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Leonard McCartney that answer to that question upstairs yes was that I think McCartney brought the bridge to a lot of
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the songs where John would come in with a verse idea and then you'll notice in
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the bridge the bridge gets a little more Cordy a little more intellectual and moves into a different
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kind of vibe and then it comes the classic example of that is day in the life I woke up got out of bed grabbed the
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home across was a piece that was a McCartney Melody yeah anyway we we uh what's the word
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yeah Verge well well no because you were a part of a Duo incredibly successful Duo which not important but I saw it in
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1977 or 78 I think it was Stanford University it was like a grass green thing we were all huge fan so just just
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delve into that a little bit how you you hooked up with Jim Messina yeah that was
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I was looking for a producer I wanted to be a solo artist and um and I heard that Jimmy was producing
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acts and what he'd done is he'd left Poco which was a band he'd started to be
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a producer for Columbia Records one of our favorites to do but so you met Jim Jimmy James and um oh yeah so I
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went over to his house um and I sang you know a bunch of songs that I had a lot of the songs that I played for I
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don't know actually uh um The Dirt Band and um and in the process you know we we
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talked about working together but I I found out when I was writing the book that Jimmy said in his interview he
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wasn't that blown away he didn't want to he didn't want to do a folk act and he saw me as a [ __ ] actor
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is that what was that based on Danny's Song or something or probably not just
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one but you also got you rocked it on as you as you continued right yeah that was
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a conscious Choice yeah and collaboration helps with that you know writing with writers who are already
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right in a particular style yeah but what turned him when did he kind of go I'm gonna work with you it's called the
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next day well no Clive called him and said Clive Davis sorry no not all I meant it
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was an impressive guy Wilkins okay for ten Bob Kenny Loggins has the board um okay so so then he changes his mind
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yeah clap calls him and says you know you've been on salary for a year and you
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haven't done anything yet so maybe you should pick one of these artists and Clive had sent him Andy Williams and uh
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acts of that ilk and that was definitely not in his there was one act that he would have probably uh produced instead
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of me and that was Dan Fogelberg oh I remember Fogelberg made one big mistake and he said I want to do an act just
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like Poco and Jimmy was like no I don't want to do that wait a minute so Jim
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Messina's in a room he's got an Andy Williams eight by ten and Kenny Loggins
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eight by ten I'm not sure well let's go with the long hair guy one's the future
00:28:05
you know Andy Williams had a great run Andrew Williams is an incredible voice nothing against Andy Williams and his
00:28:11
family what's more exciting you know Claudine and that's his wife or what
00:28:16
don't you remember that Claudia and Lange that was the Invitational ski SNL did yeah that's a dentist
00:28:23
go hit the slopes it's something he would do a bit about that guy's got an
00:28:28
AK-47 going down the Bunny Hill that's something about him I'm going backtracking to Danny we can
00:28:36
bounce around and uh it'll be easy there's Eddie's song too my big brother
00:28:40
had add so I can keep up with you I do too oh there's a butterfly I gotta tie
00:28:44
my shoe what'd you say so this is Danny's Song is about your brother but
00:28:48
it was similar that my brother uh Andy my older brother is very cool and I went to high school with him but he was
00:28:54
always embarrassed me it sounded like you said something like that where you were a little younger and he told me I
00:28:59
dressed uncool and he would always go don't they don't want people want you
00:29:02
guys at the party and I go it's a party for freshmen he's like I know but they
00:29:05
don't either is somebody who always thinks you're an idiot yeah to help you but maybe three
00:29:14
of them that thought I was maybe that beating is you know uh Dana is from his dad's Montana I think your dad might be
00:29:20
from Montana that explains a lot and it was a it was a his dad was very tough on
00:29:25
him he's like an old school dad he had it in for me and uh wow I don't know if
00:29:29
you uh had that similar situation just just old school tough I'd say that you
00:29:33
know and uh my dad was tough till he left um have you considered therapy at all my favorite subject no I got into
00:29:45
therapy five years ago and I I should have got it at age 30. I learned a lot but you might not have been who you were
00:29:54
well how would you just generally for you because I did read your book but you're
00:30:00
gonna say how would you describe me how would you say enough about me what do you think how would you describe your
00:30:05
childhood just a normal or kind of weird really fun uh you know or all of them yeah right how do I put this yeah it did
00:30:15
so I was a third of three boys youngest and I was the youngest yeah and uh and my the Middle Brother Dan
00:30:25
was kind of the outsider he was kind of the James Dean of the Rebel yeah yeah and so you know I tried to be like him
00:30:33
you've had one of those I think and and it wasn't very easy to do because none of his clothes fit can't
00:30:40
live up to him so you're trying to wear hand-me-downs I even tried to you know
00:30:44
wear some hamidos because they were cool right yeah he was cool whatever he wore
00:30:47
was cool and it didn't look the same on me that's such an illusion and um but
00:30:52
that's what I was referring to in the back of the book was that in the process
00:30:56
of trying to be like my brother I realized thanks to him that everything about me was uncool and really stupid so
00:31:04
you have to work at changing those things to become not so stupid and to try to be cool yeah and so there's a
00:31:11
process of creating a Persona that that I carried into rock and roll because I thought if I'm gonna be on a
00:31:18
camera if I'm going to be out in front of people right I better fix those things that don't seem to be working
00:31:24
yeah yeah you got pretty cool though you uh uh you obviously um at some point you realize I I don't
00:31:31
know how you were in high school I saw your high school senior you know but you you became kind of movie star
00:31:37
good looking right I weren't you almost in A Star is Born or is that oh yeah
00:31:41
that's a rumor yeah did you ever hold hands with Barbra Streisand I know but
00:31:48
we sang together no which was pretty cool and uh no at one point she said have you ever acted would you have any
00:31:55
aspirations for acting and I said no and that was that wasn't my thing and that was that so that was my audition I
00:32:01
would say where did you you know I'm fascinated by drive and where did where
00:32:06
did you think yours came from and when did you realize that you had it you know like you're willing to go through a lot
00:32:11
of pain and keep writing songs and just the drive to get to where you got when did you were you like that and had to
00:32:18
win at games as a kid and stuff like that I was always competitive yeah in sports but not at school you know it's
00:32:25
the school was sort of a side thing for me but you know I think I think the drive came because I
00:32:33
knew that I had some talent I didn't know how good I was but I knew I could pull off you know I could go to a party
00:32:38
and sing songs and there'd be people listening but other than that I didn't
00:32:43
know how far it could take me but I knew that rock and roll is a high turnover business and sooner or later I'm gonna
00:32:50
get a shot at it and I better be good because I want to hang out there for a while yeah and then one thing just led
00:32:56
to another I think the motivation when I got married and had kids was you know I
00:33:01
got to bring in some money here I got to support this family and so I just kept pushing kept writing kept recording it's
00:33:08
a tough one did you have bands in the 70s that were your peers you'd listen to
00:33:12
their album or watch before they go yeah who did you like James Taylor's money I
00:33:15
want to beat that or just even his friends did you did you have sort of Seeger anyone well I think there is that
00:33:22
that friendly competition that happened she's so friendly with with other players like other guitar players and
00:33:28
stuff they take their guitar to school we'd sit around and trade and that's
00:33:31
where you learn things you know when you're working with your friends it's
00:33:35
friendly enough that there's a there's a one upsmanship that usually happens but
00:33:41
also that you're paying attention to what they're doing because if somebody
00:33:44
does something really good you're gonna go God I gotta remember that show me how
00:33:48
you played that or I remember the first time I was I think I'd smoke marijuana I
00:33:52
was with the band and I think you still do yeah you know I did I well we we tried at the ranch and the house
00:33:59
vibrated we took an edible my wife and I only because we wanted to test drive it
00:34:05
for her mother her mother of course yeah you know Cyrus then we didn't give it to her because
00:34:13
the whole house was going like this you know but um anyway I digress yeah we just took a teeny bid I didn't
00:34:23
know and then we were watching The Godfather had cottonmouth then I woke up at 2 A.M and then the room was vibrating
00:34:29
it was I I could barely walk I said what yeah it sounds like you took indica I go which one he goes which one of
00:34:55
these 600 do you like I go that's where you come in I don't know and then the
00:34:58
owner comes out he goes hey Spade you know Jimmy let's get him some fentanyl
00:35:02
crab cakes and uh you know what why don't you have some PCP candy corns I'm
00:35:05
like no no I'm okay I'm actually saying I'm actually just a new guy all right I
00:35:10
just want a weed pen like a little zzquil I just went knockout but uh I have another question for Kenny it's
00:35:15
more of a statement which they all will be and you don't have to talk we're
00:35:19
starting the park podcast pretty soon okay let me know when uh yeah we call this the precursor when I press this
00:35:25
button we're first hour go ahead no this might be a lie but Kenny um I think I
00:35:31
remember we did a corporate gig is it possible yeah do you remember MCI I was doing 100 commercials remember
00:35:41
that in the Payphone during SNL and I was I was sent to part of my gate my deal was to go to Saint Thomas
00:35:49
and do a show and I did stand up at the real St Thomas or someone I don't know
00:35:54
is an island there's an island too as far as I know and then I think it was you was I was the headliner and I
00:36:04
was just but I did around a pool which was a tough situation they're scattered
00:36:07
all around the pool they didn't even cover it up so I'm like on the diving
00:36:11
board and they're around here anyway I do that and then are you doing stand-up
00:36:14
on the diving board yeah something like that yeah they were they were working on
00:36:19
a chart to see which way I could bomb the most and they're like I think the best way for them to not do well is to
00:36:24
put them on the diving board and he can that counts all the people apart yeah and they're like corporate in a hot tub
00:36:29
and I was fully clothed they said get in the hot tub and there's like five CEOs
00:36:35
they're naked I have a suit on yeah they took an edible and the whole hot tub
00:36:40
right no anyway I think Kenny was a headliner because I I swear this is true but you wouldn't remember but we
00:36:46
you know a couple has got to come back and say hi to you uh but you were it's
00:36:51
not really a big story it just that it was you and you were coming on but you obviously crushed and uh and I think I
00:36:56
got to meet you and I think it was fun how could I ever forget that how could you forget check your diary
00:37:03
um another thing my buddy this guy that I'd done the road had the greatest Footloose parody oh we haven't talked
00:37:09
about Footloose yet well remember Footloose the song [Music] well basically like you said in your
00:37:18
book you you had all these albums and all these hits and then let's you went
00:37:23
solo before you then all there's all these soundtracks that blew up and are still iconic but yeah you how you you
00:37:33
and Jim you're still friends now Jimmy Messina we're doing a gig Thursday and
00:37:37
another one Saturday you're really good friends we were gonna wail on you for cops man I
00:37:44
can't I'm going on the road the only reason I'm here I know I want to go
00:37:47
because it's going to be so [ __ ] I'm gonna kick a day drummer and I just want
00:37:50
to be able to sit in on it do you still have your book for your snare drum no I graduated no I just I just drum in my
00:37:58
head all the time the guitar players played tennis rackets he played with you too
00:38:03
foreign [Music] [Music] one of the hits don't fight it I I just had questions because it was Steve Perry
00:38:52
and I don't I remember that when I read it and then I listened to it again of
00:38:56
course I know that song and it's sort of you know like Whenever I Call You Friend
00:39:00
it's you and Stevie Nicks which is huge one by the way one of the greatest intros of all time oh thank you I just
00:39:06
heard it again I go this is why I love it you're screwing around at the beginning and I think people get too
00:39:11
perfect these days in songs and they go oh we had a glitch let's redo it again
00:39:15
and you go no it's funny to hear people talk in the background or do something
00:39:19
odd because that's what you remember and how you memorize it and I think the
00:39:23
imperfections are really fun and that was on purpose obviously which imperfections you did at the beginning
00:39:29
just screwing around before and we had the song recorded and then Bob James was producing it with me and Bob says we
00:39:36
need an intro to this and I just think it's I'll just go out to the mic and
00:39:41
you know just was that just you yeah that thing you remember that day at the beginning yeah yeah totally yeah
00:39:47
anything like that yeah it was raised on the Beach Boys and that whole Counterpoint thing was part of my brain
00:39:54
genius just weave these things together it's smart and when we talked to McCartney it was like when do you know
00:40:01
when it's done like because you know the Beatles they would put another layer in
00:40:04
another layer and they finally go that's enough yeah but you go when is enough
00:40:07
because it feels perfect like so much going on especially a day in the life there's yeah it has change ups and
00:40:12
different things and that's why I know I can never write a song it's too
00:40:15
complicated we just keep flunking you know you're plunking John and I would face each other with the good tools it's
00:40:21
like looking in the mirror let me just keep plonking away then we came up with strawberry fields
00:40:27
I'm going to ask you a question but I as such a great vocalist because you are
00:40:32
you got the cans on and you're gonna sing with Stevie Nicks must have been cool to hear you're you sing with her
00:40:40
the blend yeah yeah it must have been a thrill right yeah because she has such a
00:40:45
unique interesting we we didn't perceive ourselves to the way you're describing
00:40:52
not we were just working you know what I mean it wasn't Stevie Nicks it was just
00:40:58
Stevie oh what year was it like 70s so they weren't uh no no it was uh late late 70s late 70s so she wasn't quite
00:41:08
yeah yeah because as long as I've seen it broke up in 76 and so it was probably
00:41:13
78. and it is one songs are become remembered and stick out decades later they it just grows bigger I mean yeah
00:41:22
well it gets legendary you know working with old old comedians or actors in old movies and people go what was it like on
00:41:29
this and this and you go wow because the beginning of the morning you get up you look at your lines you go let's get
00:41:34
out there and you do it you're just working yeah and you go at the end you go I think that was all right and then
00:41:38
later if it works it works did the thing with uh I did a a show for Coca-Cola's
00:41:43
100th birthday with um George Burns oh and he was 90 at the time and at the end of the show I said
00:41:51
in front of the audience said George this was so much fun let's get together
00:41:55
and do it again when you turn 100. he takes a cigar out of his mouth he says well you look like you're in good shape
00:42:00
you might make it he ran into John Lovitz when he was like I guess 98 and he goes I got 18 months
00:42:08
[Laughter] yeah he just kind of rounded it off you know but it was an incredible life do
00:42:17
you remember the Norm Macdonald joke on update when he goes George Burns today he died at 100 which proves once again
00:42:23
smoking kills a lot of those guys had double martinis and eyeballs and cigars and just went on
00:42:31
forever yeah but all right when you're recording like that with someone like
00:42:35
Steve are you hard on yourself or are you kind of like I think I got it or do you want another take or do you you feel
00:42:40
you when you nailed it you know it yeah when you're in the zone you you can feel
00:42:44
it do you feel bad oh that's just a perfect segue and we're not going to
00:42:49
take it do you feel bad see me next in there and you go close going again Stevie Stevie did say in a number of
00:42:58
interviews that I was the rough task master wow I only had that one shot to get that
00:43:04
vocal because the Fleetwood was passing through and we recorded it in New York you're like Stevie what are you doing
00:43:17
okay what are you saying let's do it again let's oh just go again whether or
00:43:22
like in the movies when you do a take they go perfect going again you go yeah you guys are great we're just gonna go
00:43:28
well Stevie it would be hard you know I guess you weren't intimidated back then
00:43:32
like everyone would be today with her just she's also just a stunner like in
00:43:36
real life I mean there's so many you're super talented but are you coming you
00:43:40
gotta agree I think you agree okay so she's she's a uh talented girl she comes
00:43:45
in a great voice it matches up and then you just cross your fingers and go I hope this fits in the song because I
00:43:51
don't want to waste your time I don't waste your time you know you just yeah
00:43:54
we didn't know um much about what we were going to do we had to make it up as we went along was
00:44:01
the song done in the studio yeah you had to write because the vocals were crossing Parts where where it would be
00:44:10
too high for her or it'd be too too high for me and so we'd have to switch parts
00:44:14
so sometimes she's on the melody I'm on the melody and it we had Harmony where
00:44:19
the first two lines I'm her harm I'm harmonizing to her Melody on the chorus
00:44:23
and then I switch over to Melody and she goes up above and does the harmony I'm
00:44:27
in awe of people who can harmonize it seems like the toughest thing to hold a Harmony you know I think you know my big
00:44:35
brother again Danny got me into music and singing when I was little and so he had me learn all the harmony parts and
00:44:42
when I met Olivia Newton John she said yeah her big sister was the same way her big sister was the one who had all the
00:44:48
Melodies and she had to sing all the harmonies damn so you really started young yeah you do you like The Beach
00:44:54
Boys too and they were all harmonies yeah it was all about that when you we have someone like Stephen X or someone
00:44:59
else let's say Steve Perry in there um you're doing a song do they ever say I
00:45:03
want that line foreign wants to take your punchline yeah yeah not good it's very weird yeah
00:45:17
uh you know I'm uh so uh it is tough but I guess it's whoever's doing it like
00:45:25
when we were doing grown-ups Applause um oh yeah thank you there's five comedians there so this
00:45:31
this isn't the example I'm talking about but Adam was pretty cool about you know you have
00:45:36
five Comedians and when you're the scene is the scene and we all have a joke but
00:45:41
we're all obviously capable of coming with more jokes so on every take Adam will go Spade do whatever you want this
00:45:47
one and then Rock and then I'll come in we'll huddle up after a take and might
00:45:51
say what about this line and Adam will go you know what uh Rocky say that and then uh we'll say ago Adam and he'll
00:45:58
kick him around until he was producing he was producing he's a producer and then and you have to have a boss and we
00:46:03
have to go okay whatever happens now you do them all and then when the movie comes out
00:46:07
he was pretty fair you could have made that the Spade movie because every scene I had you had it you had a line but he
00:46:14
goes Rock's funny that one he's already had one give it to Kevin James here he had a great line in that
00:46:18
one and I think even it out and doesn't hog him all for himself he could have
00:46:22
been every joke because every time we you know everyone have something yeah uh but I think that's good how do you is
00:46:29
that intimidating for you it it was hard with you know other four or five other things but it's work it's the same thing
00:46:36
if there's a chemistry yeah there's a chemistry are you good well Saturday
00:46:38
Night Live definitely made me go from being a not really good writer or maybe just a
00:46:45
decent writer for my own stand-up but Lauren said I like that writing we want it in here and then I you know can you
00:46:51
write for Dana Mike Myers whoever and that was harder to write for other people but it would seem liberating to
00:46:57
make you better just imagine anybody doing that well it's a style that I can
00:47:02
write for myself and then I'd give it to someone they go uh I think you can do it
00:47:05
better or I think that's more your thing which is a plight wave so how would you
00:47:10
do this yeah or you know I don't have line rings but I go this and I wind up I
00:47:15
wasn't as good writing for other people but I think it made me better to go to a
00:47:19
read through and watch good writing and watch people write and use like you're
00:47:23
saying you get around good people it's it's the key like in I did a well it's good memory moment uh
00:47:32
documentary hopefully you edit this I did a wine inch TV show wine and family okay and they did a moment where
00:47:41
um I think Michael was on McDonald was on the show with me and about six or seven really strong lead singers
00:47:49
and each one of us had a solo line that we would that we would take and then they would point you take this oh wow
00:47:56
we're singing the song learning the song and then jamming on what the solo line
00:48:01
was and we are the world you did we are the world was like that too here in the world you asked for a different one
00:48:07
I want Cindy's line yeah did you go did someone go hey Cindy on this take ham it down
00:48:20
it looks like it's getting good competition go to the YouTube moment where uh they're trying to get Cindy's
00:48:28
line over and over again and and look in the back on the stairs is Steve Perry and he's making the funniest faces it's
00:48:35
like oh he's clowning well not clowning especially I think he's just grimacing
00:48:40
because there are moments where you know she would kind of miss the note was that a long that must have been a
00:48:46
long shoot I heard right oh it went a long time yeah not just Cindy I mean everybody yeah I just who was a real
00:48:52
dick Did anyone say we want a trend yeah Spade needs a heart out in an hour and everyone's like what yeah
00:49:00
anybody want to get out I'm sure everyone wanted to get out of there Dylan didn't want to do anything live
00:49:05
with the with the people because he he has his own thing and he doesn't want to
00:49:08
have to sing in the group so they brought him in separately to he's sort of rocked and swayed uh to the song a
00:49:15
little bit but they didn't he didn't really sing along didn't they show him
00:49:18
in a wide show he's just not that kind of singer he's just Bob Dylan so did you
00:49:23
hear about um Aerosmith what's his name Steve Steve Tyler Tyler yeah when he
00:49:28
sang the national anthem wait did you see that was it recently and and uh a couple years ago I think and um and he
00:49:37
sings and you know he gets all this criticism and he says what do you expect them
00:49:44
that's me yeah what are you doing here why would you ask me if you didn't
00:49:48
expect me to do that I love because that early Bono is on We are the world uh he
00:49:53
sounded cool from you too and uh Mike Jackson he was Bono was in there he was wasn't he wasn't he okay we gotta Google
00:50:01
this because I know somebody just because so much in this podcast that's interesting I can't afford one more I
00:50:08
hope I'm not bugging you I didn't mean to bug you I like it Michael I did a
00:50:12
Michael Jackson video once I think I told you Dana and uh he cut me out of it anyway so Michael Jackson in 1975 I was
00:50:19
a busboy waiter bringing him his carrot sticks before the show for a week I knew
00:50:23
all the family Tito Marlon everybody Michael was um charming and I brought him carrots and Janet was tan and she
00:50:33
was dumping them down the bed I said please don't do that Janet she goes Jackson if you please that's nasty
00:50:39
that's the joke part I wanted to get into something we talked about earlier is when you collaborate you said that
00:50:45
you're in a room collaborating in the end of the day no one really remembers
00:50:48
who came up with what oh right yeah and you collaborate your big collaborators like Michael McDonald was he like your
00:50:54
favorite you did like seven songs with him or something yes I guess five maybe you guys kind of went back and forth but
00:51:00
that's kind of do you remember it's interesting that people don't yeah okay
00:51:03
we're gonna say the basics like when I came over the Hollywood minute for David
00:51:07
he's obviously being facetious I said David this is so easy so you should you
00:51:13
should do this this is just you he does a great job with it he did great yeah that was generous
00:51:20
from Better Call Saul he helped me uh come up with that so what I'll ask you
00:51:24
these two questions what was your I just probably don't have it your favorite
00:51:27
collaboration or the collaboration that was better than you dreamed it would ever be
00:51:32
um turned out better or someone who you enjoyed collaborating with you you sought them out Miss Piggy did you do
00:51:38
that oh you did oh yeah you were a big guy one of those things yeah yeah but you know um I I've always opted for the
00:51:53
um Fred Astaire answer to that question which is that he he refused to ever say which was his favorite sure right all my
00:52:01
children are my favorite I have a good question to this guy um Steve Perry uh pipes
00:52:10
to clear the air because you're in the business Kenny Loggins has the board everyone loves Steve Perry everyone
00:52:16
loves Journey and they they went on without them I don't know if it's a money thing or whatever but everyone
00:52:21
sort of was hoping he would come back and do it with them was it his voice okay because our someone we know our
00:52:29
business manager used to work with a lot of these acts and so you had I think it
00:52:34
was The Commodores but Lionel Richie wrote the song so he had the publishing so like he's got he's going like I think
00:52:39
I'll go over here he's got all the money so apparently Steve Perry had all the
00:52:43
publishing and so he didn't want a tour anymore once you get a lot of money you
00:52:47
might want to tour a little bit but not a three year sure so that was what I was
00:52:52
told three years of driving a three-hour tour sorry you were sorry but when you got when did you what was your highest
00:53:00
net worth because he he didn't want to go on the road like that I I really don't know I
00:53:10
don't know I don't know I know that he had personal issues his mother died at
00:53:13
the time and that that kind of pulled him out after the show [Music] uh obviously Caddyshack was the first
00:53:31
big I think first big soundtrack song which is impossible to get three you have three that I know of uh
00:53:38
three at least I know of um but Caddyshack four Caddyshack you don't uh like you said you don't meet Bill you
00:53:45
don't go on the set people think you're hanging out and singing with with the
00:53:48
cast it happens later right yeah and they tell you what here's the movie do you see it first or here's the feeling I
00:53:55
saw screening it didn't have an ending and it didn't have a gopher when I saw
00:53:58
this wow yeah the Gopher dancing to the dancing gopher right and everybody loves
00:54:04
the Gopher but when John Peters made the movie and John said Okay so this next part man this is where we have a gopher
00:54:10
come out of a golf hole and dance it's a hand puppet that's stupid it sounds horrible I was so wrong I mean
00:54:22
it does sound horrible with that they'd throw it out right yeah let's do it well
00:54:26
how about a puppet over here then and Bill Murray's gonna talk to you yeah I
00:54:29
have lamb chop with me right the laptop was a star you bring lamb chop and I understand he made the big money
00:54:38
his net worth sure so this net worth so you you write it to the you write it to the imaginary
00:54:47
yeah I wrote I wrote a couple of songs for that the opening the opening song where
00:54:53
Danny the lead character is riding his bicycle through Suburbia and um and the temp music temporary music
00:55:00
that they had for that spot was it Bob Dylan song and I thought this is really strange and
00:55:06
why would they be playing a Bob Dylan song showing a kid riding his bicycle that nothing is happening here and and
00:55:14
then I I figured that you know Dylan is like the ultimate Rebel so why is that going
00:55:21
on what are they trying to tell me and then by the end of the movie you see Danny changes his his character from
00:55:27
wanting to be a part of the country club to wanting to go his own way so he it does become the rebel so that's where
00:55:33
I'm all right nobody worried about me came from wow I didn't put that together
00:55:36
interesting oh that's cool you know they had no ending though and so you were
00:55:41
talking about giving a lion away they just they brought Rodney back out onto the golf course Rodney Dangerfield I
00:55:47
tell you got no respect and it's and they said give us an ending and this was uh um who who wrote that um
00:55:57
you would know that Caddyshack yeah the was it Harold Raymond Harold Ramis who was Amos yeah okay and the great writing
00:56:05
and a lot of improvise yeah and and so Rodney just goes out and says hey we're all going to get laid
00:56:16
it works and then everyone starts dancing and they dance I'm all right is it uh I guess yeah that worked yeah okay
00:56:24
so that one that one obviously hit you've got um oh Top Gun is huge yeah Heart to Heart obviously heart to heart
00:56:32
I love I heard it this morning Heart to Heart Another with Michael McDonald or yeah yeah that's another Michael and
00:56:38
David Foster remember that yeah I've met David Foster a few times yeah he's a
00:56:42
great writer he's great right David and I wrote the chorus in New York and then
00:56:48
when we had that chorus in the bag I said I want to hold the rest of the song for Michael because it feels like a
00:56:53
McDonald's song to me and he was on piano and you were on guitar when you wrote the course or David David was yeah
00:56:59
on on grand piano just like guiding him usually I don't pick up a Guitar unless
00:57:05
I need to find an idea so yeah but because you know the chordal thing the whole piano thing is so much more fluid
00:57:11
yeah quarterly places they're playing you're you're going that that yeah how
00:57:16
about over here no no not that one this one put that in the base yeah and so then I went to Encino to Michael's house
00:57:23
and I played the chorus for him and I said let's write a verse and so he just
00:57:27
said he came up with that in about five minutes and that's it let's do that yeah
00:57:34
and did you I think you said in the book you uh you you had David Foster and you
00:57:40
had him and you had to pick you know we went and we went into the studio and because I'd promised that I would never
00:57:47
record a song I wrote with Michael without Michael on the piano because he's a unique player
00:57:53
um we put David in one room on the grand piano and Michael was in the main room on the vendor roads so Michael played
00:58:01
the verses and then he would lay out and David would jump in on the choruses and
00:58:05
it's Michael when you say unique Styles it's kind of rudimentary intentionally
00:58:09
or or how would you describe how because it is sort of it's Rhythm I mean the way
00:58:13
he plays boy he plays piano Michael plays with his his hands apart and and his Baseline is moving all the time and
00:58:20
David plays like thumb to thumb so he beats does these big clustery chords that are real Lush and more r b kind of
00:58:26
vibe unless there's a wider range in the chords it's just a different style
00:58:30
Michael's more like that stride gospel okay so what about Footloose how'd you
00:58:36
come up with that gun no but the Footloose was before Top Gun or they're right around the foot
00:58:46
this is before time okay Dave that was uh a friend of mine Dean critchford wrote the screenplay yeah and he asked
00:58:52
if he could write some songs with me to make sure that he got the deal with Paramount to also be a songwriter
00:58:58
because they only saw him as a screenwriter ah so as a favor to Dean we wrote a couple of songs one of which was
00:59:05
Footloose one of which was I'm free and and it turned out to be a favor to me and you at that point had
00:59:13
transitioned into electric and you were into the fender because you have that down
00:59:17
yeah that kind of started well I came up with that idea backstage so it was sort
00:59:22
of warming up on that but oh that no you know I wrote it on acoustic guitar but I
00:59:27
knew that it was going to be like the entire part and it's like a Dwayne do you think Kevin Bacon's danced to it
00:59:33
well or how'd you feel his dancing was I think I think I think Kevin and all the
00:59:38
people that danced to that uh pretty amazing and yeah yeah you know if you look at the video that's not Kevin
00:59:43
entirely right there's there's all the flips and the Twirls and everything just
00:59:49
most things started crying I don't believe it's Kevin making should we just touch on SNL for a second
00:59:59
no what that no no because I I want to tell them is the uh parody of Footloose that he's hurt a million oh okay yeah
01:00:06
but who's the guy this is the one I heard and just bear with me and we'll
01:00:09
cut it later it was been sleeping all night worked up an appetite I'm lying on
01:00:16
my head mom says get out of bed I see the toucan he says to follow his nose run fast as you can follow wherever he
01:00:24
goes cause I gotta eat Loops Fruit Loops one of the four food groups milk please
01:00:31
Louise eat the whole box with ease funny heart attack need a snack my vitamins and minerals I like I lack yeah
01:00:39
yeah I can't believe you got me videos a guy went on before me that and killed he just put the guitar down
01:00:46
and left and I didn't go on stage I can't follow that [ __ ] Loops yeah okay so that's a hit and in with
01:00:56
song parody uh and that was a good one okay so Kenneth before the longer you're gonna ask him that's
01:01:06
not bad I was gonna ask you just quickly what it meant to you in 1982 if Wikipedia was right to go on Saturday
01:01:12
Night Live as a musical guest was it a it was it it was it both yeah it's very
01:01:18
exciting you have you have you hope you're ready and but because it's live right and and
01:01:24
the sound is really difficult to make it right you must go in there and tweak and
01:01:29
get scared I had my own engineer to be in the room and make sure it approximated the record do you remember
01:01:34
what song I did the show a couple times oh you did yeah I had one time was heart
01:01:40
to heart and I'm pretty sure I did Footloose okay okay but I did the other one that was way better was Fridays I
01:01:47
think that was caught Friday don't show the days don't tell Lauren I'm sorry now uh does
01:01:58
it bump the record that's the idea right it bumps well hopefully yeah then it's
01:02:01
just to keep the record moving up it also looks cool yeah but it was a status yeah
01:02:07
live was always a status gig 100 and you feel for your if you look back on it do
01:02:13
you feel like you you did great each time or were you coming off going ah did you no I felt good about it yeah did
01:02:19
Lauren say anything to the Lauren boss I don't think so because he'd be very I
01:02:24
think he was busy take the broom he'd say oh it's a nice job I thought it was
01:02:29
breathtaking um okay well we touched on SNL right we did it and that's what the show's about
01:02:35
yeah but it's too fun to talk about this other stuff and uh book is obviously
01:02:40
still all right by Kenny Loggins uh but lastly we'll talk about um danger zone
01:02:46
because uh it was obviously uh yeah could you still sing that in concert oh yeah and how is that an easy
01:02:53
one relative because it's kind of raw or you don't have to reach for the high
01:02:56
notes as much well there are high notes in that okay he's a rookie so how dangerous is the Zone it's just a
01:03:03
question you wrote that down did you [Laughter] decide but um have you heard the song
01:03:18
I've been to the fruit loop Zone Fruit Loop now I'm going to be singing that
01:03:22
all day Loops how did that song Come about you got contacted by Jerry Bruckheimer
01:03:30
so yeah that was uh contacted by Jerry Bruckner um to see a screening but I think it was
01:03:38
a cattle call they did a bunch of screenings for a lot of artists to come in and I was sitting there I was making
01:03:44
a record with the producer an Austrian producer named named Peter Wolf yeah that sounded nothing like this amazing
01:04:05
um so then then try to pick up where I left off here well I went in for the cattle call and
01:04:12
and saw the movie and there was about six other acts in the theater you won't
01:04:16
say who they are I knew everybody I don't remember but Aerosmith was not there oh and that I thought the opening
01:04:24
scene with the Jets and everything I figured forget about it everybody's going to write for that and they got to
01:04:28
the middle scene and the uh the volleyball scene right and I turned to Peter and I said nobody's going to write
01:04:34
for this we got to write this one then you're on the album right and then you're one of 10 or 12 songs that can be
01:04:41
chosen for a single that's clever but Kenny do you write that's so interesting
01:04:46
you write for a scene because they have to put music throughout the movie so they're trying to buy for the first
01:04:51
scene I knew that scene was going to need music and okay so that's what I went for so I got playing with the boys
01:04:56
in and then while I was recording that I got a call from maroder and his office they said
01:05:02
you know we have a song we gotta dub in Friday and we don't have a singer for it
01:05:07
because I guess the lawyers blew it and that was dangerous though that was danger zone so so I went I listened to
01:05:14
it I made some changes and made some changes and then went into did they give you a writer's credit
01:05:20
well here's the deal writing credits are tough this is actually I don't think I
01:05:25
put this in the book all right that that um Giorgio and Whitlock his co-writer they
01:05:33
were trying for an Academy Award for their for their music in the movie but if they had it had to be the same
01:05:41
two writers so they couldn't add me as a writer because that would that would be one of
01:05:47
the songs they needed to get that Academy Award nomination right it is I thought it was five but okay you know
01:05:54
better than me because you're a big movie star well I read the book it is in the so let's say
01:06:01
it's four or five and then uh and um you so you do wind up with it or you don't
01:06:06
get it well I I said okay then just give me a piece of the publishing instead of
01:06:10
writers so we you know financially we can work it out that way but then when he sold his Publishing Company
01:06:17
something got lost in the shelter oh and my name was dropped off the record for about actually more like 10 years
01:06:25
so nothing came in just from the publishing on that part and then nobody nobody was watching the door right so I
01:06:32
didn't get paid for at least 10 years maybe 12. but then you got a credit later we had to straighten it out and
01:06:38
okay go through all that stuff but that's always but so my name was not on his writer for years does that eat at
01:06:45
you a little bit the missing money is what ate at me oh yeah also that someone would drop the
01:06:52
ball like that and yeah no no one's watching the hen house and you and then when danger zone comes back again on the
01:06:59
new topic I don't know it's a big hit right it's like a an amazing worldwide
01:07:03
Smash and here you are again front and center yeah and just as a fan when I watched the movie and then I heard that
01:07:10
again it was like oh I was just completely elevated it brings everybody right back to that moment 35 years ago
01:07:17
but it was like you guys were just you know like what five I was so young thank you Kenny uh I want to meet your
01:07:24
dermatologist Kenny's looking good yeah you're looking good and all right let's
01:07:28
we should let Kenny go I think we covered everything SNL We Could well I just want to know how you this
01:07:34
Resurgence what what is it meant if anything just at your front and center right now in the culture with danger
01:07:41
zone did the people go more crazy when you play it like absolutely yeah so it's
01:07:45
that's just kind of cool right it's Tommy Dowd I worked with on a record he
01:07:51
produced Derek and the Domino's and a few things like that oh yeah and Tommy
01:07:55
said success is like a moving train and for a minute you're in the window and
01:08:00
people can see you and then the train moves on and so my train is like a Lionel Circle you know it just keeps
01:08:07
coming around because now this danger Zone's back in the window and it's cool
01:08:12
again Footloose went through a period of time where it was just not cool when you if and when I go to your
01:08:20
concert which I want to because it's great uh you're the kind that if I brought a friend that wasn't as 100
01:08:26
familiar every other song they'd be like oh he does this one there's so many hits
01:08:31
I don't think it's you you it's you can suffer from too many hits yeah although
01:08:36
he also did that yeah but then it you know with music you have the young people keep discovering it
01:08:42
and it's kind of hit my kids love stuff from the 80s and 90s you can see that
01:08:45
the whole Yacht Rock thing is really big briefly Yacht Rock how do you how do you
01:08:50
define that well I don't but actually there was a period of time I will a period of time where uh smooth jazz
01:09:00
was influencing pop music and so a lot of us were leaning in that sort of Stevie Wonder kind of vibe and trying to
01:09:09
get things that were a little funkier a little you know more of a jazz Groove and I was working with a lot of the New
01:09:14
York guys like David Sanborn and Eric Gale and Steve gadd and people like that so
01:09:21
you know like heart to heart is a good example of that kind of jazz smooth jazz and pop rock yeah a lot of saxophones in
01:09:28
that era yeah and so I think that that the Yacht Rock thing was kind of partly defined by the guys that created the the
01:09:36
internet comedy bit on Yacht Rock so it was like wealthy men on their boats I'm
01:09:44
never sure about that that's one of the things I hear is like it's is it music
01:09:47
you listen to on your yacht or is it because if you own a yacht do you do you listen more of a concept of just like it
01:09:54
sounds cool it sounds fun and it sounds like yeah old school hits that maybe middle-aged guys are cranking which I'm
01:10:01
fine with yeah yeah they all they all work yeah Dana's uh one I'm like a young
01:10:07
a young man yeah yeah I am his father we haven't never announced it but uh I think they're allowed to laugh back
01:10:16
here they've been either they're holding it in or nothing's been funny yet
01:10:19
um so anyone really started the show yet and wait there's more he's coming at us
01:10:33
in society and now danger zone and Top Gun and all that super head and we just thank you for coming on our humble show
01:10:41
yeah I appreciate it I'm glad I'm glad you got when I heard you had one these
01:10:45
kids are good they're gonna they call the kid can I hang out with you and say
01:10:50
stick with it you know they they just might make it well thanks because uh if you get a chance see him in concert he's
01:10:56
uh it's all it's great I would love it and uh I'm gonna look at your tour
01:11:00
listen just show up backstage anytime yeah work up any song you like I'll do chopping
01:11:08
broccoli it's a thing I did on SNL if you got a piano it's a broccoli might be a good collab that
01:11:14
should be a good we'll we'll take an intermission that night the whole crowd leaves you can be the
01:11:22
opening act all right thank you Kenny and thank you Dana and David once again see you next time thank you both
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