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Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode

January 12, 2021 / 44:16

This episode of Women Behind Bars covers the cases of Peggy Hilt and Susan D'Aquila, both convicted of violent crimes against loved ones. Peggy Hilt was found guilty of murdering her two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, Nina, while Susan D'Aquila was convicted of pushing her disabled husband, Tony, into a river, leading to his death.

Peggy Hilt's story begins on July 2, 2005, when she called 911 after her daughter stopped breathing. Authorities discovered that Nina had suffered blunt force trauma, leading to questions about Peggy's parenting and mental health. Peggy struggled with alcoholism and a troubled relationship with Nina, which culminated in a tragic incident where she lost control and fatally harmed her daughter.

In contrast, Susan D'Aquila's narrative involves her tumultuous marriage to Tony, a man with physical disabilities. Friends and family suspected Susan's motives were tied to financial gain, particularly after Tony's pension increased. On May 29, 1986, during an outing with friends, Tony drowned under suspicious circumstances, with evidence suggesting Susan and her accomplices had plotted the act.

Both women faced severe consequences for their actions, with Peggy receiving a 19-year prison sentence and Susan sentenced to 60 years for first-degree murder. The episode examines the complexities of their cases, including mental health issues, societal perceptions, and the impact of their crimes on their families.

The episode highlights the tragic outcomes of both cases and raises questions about the systems in place for supporting families and preventing such violence.

TL;DR

Peggy Hilt and Susan D'Aquila recount their violent crimes against loved ones, leading to tragic outcomes and lengthy prison sentences.

Episode

44:16
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on this episode of women behind bars
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one woman was found guilty of fatally
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attacking her two and a half year old
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daughter
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i grabbed her by the neck and i choked
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her and i hit her repeatedly i put her
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in bed and i hit her
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she had bruises on her face
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she had a cut lip bruises on her
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collarbone
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neck chest her abdomen her legs
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then susan d'aquilla tells her story she
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was convicted of murder for pushing her
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disabled husband
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into a river all of a sudden it was like
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splash
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everything seemed like it went in slow
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motion
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tony went underwater and came up and
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said help me please help me
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two women two brutal crimes these are
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the stories of peggy hilt
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and susan d aquila
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on the morning of saturday july 2nd 2005
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peggy hilt called 9-1-1 when her
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two-and-a-half-year-old adopted daughter
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nina
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stopped breathing in her arms but
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paramedics arrived to find the child was
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no longer alive
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cause of death blunt force trauma to the
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abdomen
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she had bruises around her collarbone
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her small intestine had ruptured this
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all indicated a severe beating
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did nina's injuries result from an
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accident on the stairs as peggy claimed
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or was she in fact a victim of her
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mother's uncontrollable rage
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peggy hilt was born in 1972 in
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ogdensburg new york
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i had five brothers and sisters it was a
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relatively normal
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family um
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my father suffered with alcoholism my
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father could get
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verbally abusive at times when he was
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drinking
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but it really wasn't a traumatic
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childhood
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but peggy struggled throughout her
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adolescence by the age of 12
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peggy became a secret drinker i was
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teased at school our family was
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on the poor side you know we didn't have
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the latest
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clothes i was just not part of the
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in-crowd
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i suffered from depression in high
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school at one time i tried to
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commit suicide and the school
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brought in a counselor to talk to me but
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i refused
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hilt's lifeline was caring for children
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i loved children i spent all of my time
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babysitting there were a couple families
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that i had full-time jobs with
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and always imagined myself getting
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married and having a lot of children
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peggy then went to college where she met
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her husband chris
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and the couple married in 1994. a year
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later the hilts moved to fairfax
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virginia
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and tried to have a baby we went through
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four years
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of painful heartbreaking fertility tests
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and treatments
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after six years of unsuccessful attempts
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29 year old peggy and 31 year old chris
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hilt
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adopted a baby girl named natalya from
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an orphanage in the ukraine
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natalia was a dream come true she uh
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fulfilled me mommyhood was better than i
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ever
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imagined it was gonna be the hilts
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effortlessly bonded with their new
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daughter
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three years later they decided to adopt
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again
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because the adoption process had changed
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in the ukraine
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the couple applied to russia on january
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27
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2004 peggy and chris adopted 16 month
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old nina
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from an orphanage in siberia the russian
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system has
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well over six seven hundred thousand
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children that are in
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orphanage care that they cannot care for
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they're all
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deprived they're all lacking in
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appropriate care taking
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food and nutrition is poor medical care
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is poor but soon after they brought nina
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home
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peggy claims she realized right away
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that something was wrong
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it's to be expected that any child
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coming out of an institutional setting
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especially deprived eastern bloc
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countries is going to have special needs
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we get home with nina some of her
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emotional difficulties
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started to come about right away
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when i tried to hold her love her she
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was very defiant
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unlike their first child peggy says she
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struggled to bond with nina
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the 32 year old mother soon became
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overwhelmed by her daughter's alleged
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emotional and behavioral problems
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peggy claims she did her best to make it
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work but never sought help from doctors
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she would cry and push away i assumed it
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was something i was doing
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wrong or not doing right reactive
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detachment disorder is
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a condition that sometimes impacts
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children who have been institutionalized
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they often will have trouble with
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attaching to others meaning they prefer
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to be left alone
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and isolated and they're difficult to
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soothe and comfort
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nina had sort of a shadowy quality to
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her
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where she was there but she wasn't
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nearly as outgoing
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or as rambunctious as natalya
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and nina always hung back and
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was quiet however nina did show another
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side to some
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she was always attached to me she always
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wanted me to hold her and pick her up
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carry her around i always wanted to give
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hugs
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she was a sweet little girl as the
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primary caretaker
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peggy continued to be frustrated with
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her inability to bond with nina
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and turn to her husband for help however
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chris did not have the same negative
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experience with their adopted daughter
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he saw the difficulties
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that she gave me that we had together
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but she did not give him the same
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difficulties i thought she hated me i
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didn't know what to do
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i thought whatever it was time and love
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would fix it peggy probably thought she
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could
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develop a love for this child too over
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time and bond
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but that never occurred she never was
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able to bond with this child
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peggy claims nina became more difficult
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to deal with
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as a result her own problems began to
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spiral out of control
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i had started drinking more nina's
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problems were becoming more evident
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she would have rages
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she left huge bruised
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bite marks on natalya number of times
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peggy says her husband thought a change
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of scenery would help
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in august 2004 the hilts moved to wake
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forest north carolina
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but the plan backfired we made a very
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bad choice to move
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to north carolina it only deepened my
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depression cut us off further from our
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friends and family i was severely
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depressed and
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i couldn't figure out why i couldn't
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make this child love me
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i was becoming more bitter towards her
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too because
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my days were spent was fix clean up
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and undo what she had destroyed or done
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peggy's resentment toward nina built and
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their relationship worsened
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peggy seemed somehow dismissive of nina
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she didn't have the kind of
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loving relationship that she seemed to
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have with natalya it was sort of like
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she considered natalia to be special
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and nina just to be there in a twist of
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fate peggy learned she was pregnant in
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january 2005.
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but three months later she suffered a
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miscarriage
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i did not seek counseling which i really
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should have
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it just reinforced everything i think
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bad
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i felt about myself
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um i was not good that i was not worthy
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that i was broken
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you know um here i've you know i've
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already got this child that i can't even
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love me and
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everything went downhill from there once
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again
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peggy admits she turned to drinking to
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console her pain
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i remember there was a couple days where
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i actually had drank a case of beer
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myself in a day i think chris wanted the
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perfect family so bad that
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he saw what he wanted to see i had my
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drinking
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he knew i was drinking but he had no
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idea i was drinking as much as i was
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the situation reached a crisis on july 1
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2005.
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while her husband was at work peggy was
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at home with her daughters
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preparing for a trip to visit relatives
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nina was having a
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very difficult day and i
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was drinking and trying to get
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everything ready
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we had been taking toys up and down
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stairs peggy says nina tumbled while
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playing on the stairs
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she had bruises on her face where she
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had fallen it was just a very
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rough day for her so i thought maybe she
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was not feeling well
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and just being worse than usual a couple
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hours later
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hilt says nina attacked her sister
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natalia peggy became enraged
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both girls are saying that the table and
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something happened and nina grabbed a
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fork and went after natalia
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and i just saw red and i grabbed nina
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and i took her upstairs
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she was kicking and screaming and i just
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i lost it
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it happened so fast it was just um like
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a tornado like a rage
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you know just when women behind bars
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continues
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peggy calls 9-1-1 begging for help
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[Music]
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in january 2004 peggy and chris hilt
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adopted a 16 month old girl named nina
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from an orphanage in russia but peggy
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failed to bond with her new daughter
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the young mother claims that her
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difficult relationship with nina
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caused her to drink more heavily in july
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of 2005
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nina allegedly bit her older sister
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natalia an incident which peggy says
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made her lose control
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she flew into a rage
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she brought her up to nina's bedroom she
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grabbed the child around the throat
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she lifted her up off the floor she
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shook the child
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i grabbed her by the neck and i choked
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her and i hit her repeatedly
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i put her in bed and i hit her
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peggy says she left the bruised two and
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a half year old lying on the bed
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walked out of the room and shut the door
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behind her
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nina stayed alone in her room for three
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hours
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i felt horrible i couldn't believe
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that i had just lost it like that the
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rest of the day i spent
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sobering up finished getting ready for
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the trip
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taking care of natalia um and chris
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called and said he was on his way home i
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went up and got nina
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at 5 30 p.m when her husband chris
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returned
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peggy lied about the cause of nina's
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injuries
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she had covered up a lot of her body
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so christopher couldn't see he saw the
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bruises on her face
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and i told him that she had fallen on
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the stairs but
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he couldn't see the bruises on her back
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they continued to prepare for their trip
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to virginia and nina
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was going to her father complaining of a
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stomachache
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and she was starting to have a fever
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during the four-hour drive to manassas
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virginia to visit relatives
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nina began to show signs of physical
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distress
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a little while into the trip she had
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vomited i did not realize
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or could believe that i
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hurt her that bad still the young mother
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was intent on hiding
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nina's injuries from her husband when i
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changed her clothes the first time
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i made sure that i took her outside of
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the van and
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changed her clothes so chris couldn't
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see the marks on her back peggy hilt
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went to great lengths not only
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in route to virginia but once she
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arrived in manassas
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to hide the bruising and injuries that
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she inflicted on nina
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throughout the night nina's condition
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worsened she seemed like she was a
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little kid with a fever you know just
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kind of lethargic and out of it
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i didn't connect hitting her
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and her being sick the next morning nina
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couldn't keep anything down
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obviously her body was not mending it
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was starting to break down
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by 9 a.m everyone left the house but
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peggy
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who stayed behind to be with nina she
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still hadn't had anything to eat and i
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was worried
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i was sitting in the rocking chair with
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her in the living room and she was
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drinking her sippy cup
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and she just kind of stopped
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and kind of went limp that's when i got
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scared
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i um could tell she wasn't breathing so
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i ran back inside and laid her on the
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floor and called
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i was 911 cpr on her and she had thrown
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up oh my god
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ma'am oh my god
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okay ma'am i'm trying to tell you what
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to do
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the ambulance arrived 10 minutes after
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peggy called 9-1-1
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but when nina hilt's body arrived at the
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local hospital
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authorities summoned the police
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and when we got there they took us into
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a room and told me
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told us that she had died
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she had bruises on her face
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she had a cut lip she had
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bruises on her collarbone neck her
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abdomen her legs
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when questioned by the police peggy
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stuck to her original story
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she talked about what had happened at
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their home
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on friday afternoon in wake forest and
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that
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nina had been carrying toys up the
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stairs and
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that she had fallen backwards they let
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us see nina's body
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christopher just looked down at his
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daughter and looked at
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peggy and he couldn't believe
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what he saw and
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peggy just looked at me and made eye
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contact with me
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on sunday july 3 an autopsy performed on
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nina hilt
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revealed that the cause of death was
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blunt force trauma to the abdomen
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the autopsy clarified the fact that it
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was
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definitely a homicide the police called
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peggy in for more questioning
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i don't remember much of anything except
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the police did call us the next day and
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wanted us
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to come to the station and answer
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questions
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24 hours after her daughter died peggy
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recalls having a sudden realization
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that she had caused nina's death i woke
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up and i sat up in bed and
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said oh my god i did this
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i did i hurt her bad
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the next morning peggy finally told her
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husband the truth
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i told him what had happened
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he just started crying and crying
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both he was supportive and distant he
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was
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hurt in shock confused after consulting
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with her lawyer
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peggy confessed to the police she
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started right away
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with i hurt nina i was pretty sure that
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i had
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caused nino's death and
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i needed to be held accountable
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on wednesday july 6 2005 detective
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kathleen olshlagel interviewed peggy
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hilt
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for three hours was anybody else in the
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home
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on friday around 2 30 when this was
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happening
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one thing in the interview that sort of
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stood out
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was when she speaks about the bonding
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with nina
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and how they just could never bond and
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how she felt that this
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child preferred anybody else in the
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world to her
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we never bonded the motive was
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ultimately
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the lack of bonding and resentment and
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anger towards her child
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authorities charged peggy with
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second-degree murder and incarcerated
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her in the county jail
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peggy hilt appeared in circuit court and
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pled guilty to second-degree murder
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in the sentencing phase the defense
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argued that peggy was a troubled woman
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who should have sought help for her
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problems
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her attorney had mentioned that she had
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been grappling with
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alcoholism and apparently just not been
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in
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full control of her emotions at the time
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prosecutor paul ebert argued for a stiff
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sentence for peggy's role
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in nina's lethal beating initially
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paulie bert had asked for a harsh
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sentence
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and saying that there was no excuse for
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what she had done when women behind bars
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continues
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the russians wanted to see me severely
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punished nina held's death
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marked the 14th death of a child adopted
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from russia
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in the u.s and later in this episode of
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women behind bars
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a woman is accused of killing her
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husband for his pension money
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by pushing him into a river tony went
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underwater
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and came up and said help me please help
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me on my mother's
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grave that never happened
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on march 1 2006 peggy hilt pleaded
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guilty to second-degree murder for the
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fatal beating of her
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two-and-a-half-year-old daughter nina
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who was adopted from russia meanwhile
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after nina's tragic death
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russian authorities called for a hold on
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adoptions to the united states
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there was a lot of uproar just from
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people in russia
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being upset about the impression that
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children were being
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brought to the u.s adopted by families
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here and then being abused
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and killed one group that was
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particularly upset
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were those parents in the u.s that
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wanted to adopt children from russia and
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because of the
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distrust between authorities there a lot
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of these adoptions were put on hold
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as the trial began an outraged public
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cried out for a severe sentence for 34
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year old peggy hilt
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and so you had a lot of frustrated
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parents here that
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were waiting to bring their children
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home from russia and they were upset
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they wanted to see a harsh sentence in
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this case
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she was very quiet we didn't see many
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emotions
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when she did say i'm sorry it was
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barely audible at that time judge hamlin
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handed down a sentence of 35 years
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with 10 suspended and peggy would serve
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25 years
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three months later hilt's attorney
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presented a motion to further reduce
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peggy's prison term
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he argued that the international media
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attention may have had an impact on
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hilt's original sentence
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the judge granted the motion and
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shortened peggy's prison term from 25
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years to 19 years
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the public was divided on the outcome i
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know
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that people in other countries
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politicians
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the russians wanted to see me severely
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punished the fact that
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peggy hill will serve minimum 19 years
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in prison
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is something that i think people felt
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that justice was served in that sentence
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personally i don't think that's a fair
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sentence i think she should get more
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time for what she did to nina
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some of those people who are angry with
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me
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you know may have found themselves in
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the same situation
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i never in a million years would have
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dreamed myself in that type of a
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situation
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and here i sit peggy hilt violated the
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most sacred trust
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a child has in a parent and that is to
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keep them safe
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and provide a loving environment 19
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years
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is not enough for peggy hilt the people
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that hate me
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um i can't even feel compassion for them
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because i used to be
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just like them anybody that could or
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would hurt a child
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i should be locked away i couldn't
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fathom it now i can see things gonna
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happen that you don't mean
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addiction is a bad thing since her
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incarceration
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peggy has achieved sobriety and has
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found comfort through spirituality
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i am in some religious classes i
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strongly believe that god
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used this tragedy to save me
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because i'm supposed to help other
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people
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the death of nina has left a permanent
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impact on the hilt family
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peggy and chris hilt have divorced chris
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retains custody of their other daughter
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natalia who was adopted from the ukraine
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this is not only a tragedy for the child
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definitely for the child
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and for the family that's left behind mr
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hilt raising the other child
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so he lost two people in his life and
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that has got to be extremely devastating
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according to peggy chris and their
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daughter natalia have suspended their
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visitations for now
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chris visited me early on in jail
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then they moved away from the area and
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uh when natalia is strong enough and
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ready and
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ready to come to see me he'll bring her
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peggy hopes that her case will raise
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awareness for parents who are seeking to
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adopt internationally
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i would like to see many things changed
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in the adoption world because those
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children do need to get out of those
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orphanages
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but they need to be adopted into
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prepared
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therapeutic families peggy hilt is
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responsible for the death of her child
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i think she's accepted that
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responsibility and admitted that but
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there are a lot of what-ifs here what if
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the hilt family had received
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pre-adoptive education would have
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changed their decision to adopt
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what if they had been prepared for the
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challenges of raising a child that may
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have been impacted
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by institutionalization you know we'll
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never know and it may have made a
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difference in the life of a child
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i did something horrible that i wish i
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could undo when i can't
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but i hope i'll be able to help somebody
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behind me because that's the only thing
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i can do for nina at this point
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is to hopefully help somebody behind us
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peggy will be 50 years old when she's
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released from prison
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i did not mean to hurt nina i
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certainly did not mean for her to die
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[Music]
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but i need to be punished other people
00:24:02
need to see me punished
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to let them know that it's not okay
00:24:10
never okay to hit a child um
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if you need help get it no matter what
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you have to do when women behind bars
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continues
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i mean trying to kill my daughter there
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was
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witness testimony that susan said we're
00:24:26
going to murder them
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get the hell out of here for more
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information about women behind bars
00:24:32
go to www.wetv.com
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on may 31 1986 police pulled the body of
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56 year old tony de aquila from the des
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plaines river
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an apparent accidental drowning his
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shoes
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shirt even his glasses were relatively
00:24:59
folded up nice and neatly on the top of
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the wall here
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but questions began to surface about the
00:25:05
victim's troubled marriage to his wife
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susan
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an openly gay woman who was 25 years his
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junior
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tony was a vulnerable type person and
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she was just sort of
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someone who would take advantage of him
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susan d'aquillo was
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was a con woman who orchestrated this
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entire
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set of circumstances to get his money
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was this a tragic accident or did susan
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d aquila commit a deliberate act of
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murder
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susan d aquila grew up the second
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youngest in a family with seven children
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on chicago's south side
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she was just eight years old when her
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father died in 1963.
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i went from being a child to i felt
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like i was an adult trying to help out
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my mom susie and i were
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very very close susie was always trying
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to do things for people
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and she'd go to the dinner table and
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grab food off the table and
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i'll be right back she's supposed to be
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eating dinner and she goes and
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we found her on 19th in washington
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feeding the homeless underneath the
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sidewalks
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she was just a given person loving
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giving
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caring as she got older susan knew that
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she was different
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i knew she was gay yeah she always had
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girlfriends um
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same-sex girlfriends kept it a secret
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until i was about 15
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one day my mom caught me with a woman
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and she took me to every counselor
00:26:51
psychiatrist she finally said i give up
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if this is what you are then fine one
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brief relationship with a boy at age 15
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left susan pregnant with a daughter
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victoria
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my mom was gay and my grandmother didn't
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want me to live in that environment
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so my grandparents raised me
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susan let her mom take care of the baby
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and moved out on her own to make a life
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for herself
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i did odd jobs you know working in cars
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bartending for one of the bars
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in the neighborhood susan was in her
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mid-20s when she met tony de aquila
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a longtime groundskeeper for the forest
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preserve in a suburb of chicago
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he was 50 years old
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and then he became my best friend in the
00:27:45
whole world
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tony was a man of shortened statue with
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big and heart
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he was a type of fellow that would go
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out of his way for anybody
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tony de aquila suffered physical
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challenges that set him apart from
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others
00:28:01
tony had scoliosis he had arthritic
00:28:05
hands he had clubbed feet
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he wore special shoes they almost looked
00:28:08
like stilted boots but they definitely
00:28:10
had
00:28:12
compensating heels and soles on them so
00:28:14
that he could walk
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and yet he worked every day for the cook
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county forest preserve
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and was a very good worker and a very
00:28:22
hard worker
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he introduced me to susan and he just
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sort of looked
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up at her with like this sick puppy
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love type of look i don't think that he
00:28:33
ever had a girlfriend until he met
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susan after a five-year friendship
00:28:39
thirty-year-old susan and
00:28:41
fifty-six-year-old tony surprised
00:28:43
everyone by getting married in november
00:28:45
1985.
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but tony's co-workers and friends
00:28:50
suspected that something was not quite
00:28:52
right about the new marriage
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i was sort of uncomfortable with her
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because i knew
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that tony was a vulnerable type person
00:29:02
and she looked like she was just sort of
00:29:06
someone who would take advantage of him
00:29:09
we all knew that this woman was because
00:29:12
of her age and because of
00:29:14
his afflictions we knew that there was
00:29:16
something wrong
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right from the start questions were
00:29:20
raised in terms of the relationship in
00:29:22
general
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or what her motivation was originally to
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marry tony
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he didn't make a lot of money but he
00:29:29
worked his entire life
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and he had his pension recently
00:29:33
increased
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susan denies the marriage was for money
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in fact
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she says she and tony married to keep a
00:29:40
secret he hid from everyone
00:29:43
tony was gay too secretly yay you know
00:29:46
and he goes we can make this work out
00:29:50
i need to really get married
00:29:54
then they'll leave me alone so myself
00:29:57
why not tony's friends adamantly denied
00:30:01
that he was gay
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i never got an indication that the tony
00:30:05
was gay
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as a matter of fact i think he craved
00:30:09
affection from women
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and that was why he ended up with susan
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because she was probably
00:30:16
one of the few women that paid attention
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to him
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the newlyweds purchased a home in cicero
00:30:22
a chicago suburb
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which soon became a boarding house for
00:30:26
susan's down and out friends
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if you needed help my mom would give you
00:30:30
her last dollar
00:30:31
susan and the the cohorts that was
00:30:34
surrounding her
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literally were in fact living at that
00:30:37
home they didn't have no jobs
00:30:40
they were just using both my mom and
00:30:42
tony it was a free ride to them
00:30:44
tony confided in co-workers about the
00:30:46
difficulties he was having at home
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and that he was being mistreated by his
00:30:50
new wife and her friends
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he used to come and tell us about how he
00:30:54
was beat up or you know you have
00:30:55
scars on him and we said why did you
00:30:57
call the police he'd say but i love her
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i love the kid i love him i can't do
00:31:02
anything to hurt
00:31:03
susan denies any abuse and claims that
00:31:05
tony injured himself
00:31:07
in fights that broke out when they were
00:31:08
partying tony got into
00:31:10
a few bar brawls and
00:31:14
he ended up talking to this real big guy
00:31:18
one day and
00:31:19
this guy's gonna beat the hell out of
00:31:22
him and
00:31:22
it was me and tony fighting this big guy
00:31:27
by april 1986 tony moved out of the
00:31:30
house and took up residence
00:31:32
at the hotel eleanor although he
00:31:34
continued to visit susan at their home
00:31:36
he just didn't like the people
00:31:41
he didn't get along with this one man
00:31:43
james johnson
00:31:44
senior that's
00:31:47
they just started clashing
00:31:50
sixty-year-old james
00:31:51
johns rented a room in the attic and
00:31:54
susan remembers would sometimes pick
00:31:56
fights with tony
00:31:57
james john's i didn't like him i think
00:31:59
he was in love with my mom
00:32:01
and my mom didn't want nothing to do
00:32:03
with him she like tried to help him i
00:32:05
think
00:32:06
and he just got a little obsessed with
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00:32:12
her
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on a thursday night at the end of may
00:32:18
tony came to the house where everyone
00:32:20
was hanging out
00:32:21
they were drinking during a good portion
00:32:23
of the day
00:32:24
and that they were trying to get tony
00:32:26
drunk susan and jimmy johns and the
00:32:28
three other individuals indicating we're
00:32:31
going to take you tony for swimming
00:32:32
lessons
00:32:34
and get you over this fear of water that
00:32:35
you have
00:32:37
susan remembers it was tony's idea to go
00:32:39
out to the river
00:32:40
well tony said let's go out to the falls
00:32:43
because it was beautiful outside
00:32:46
the group piled into one car and headed
00:32:48
out to hoffman dam
00:32:49
on the des plaines river along with
00:32:51
susan and tony were james johns and
00:32:54
three of susan's friends
00:32:56
they drove to riverside and were looking
00:32:59
for a place
00:33:00
to bring tony into the water they parked
00:33:03
their car
00:33:05
along fairbanks road the party of six
00:33:08
walked two blocks to the riverbank
00:33:10
according to one member of the group
00:33:12
susan and james johns helped tony take
00:33:14
off his pants and shoes
00:33:16
but susan claimed she was against the
00:33:18
idea all along
00:33:20
james johnson told me they went into the
00:33:23
water
00:33:23
and i said hey you know this is
00:33:27
you know not good tony get out of the
00:33:29
water
00:33:30
i had a bad feeling susan says she
00:33:33
witnessed james johns whispering to two
00:33:35
members of the group
00:33:36
who suddenly walked back to the car
00:33:40
they realized what was really going down
00:33:42
and they decided they should leave it
00:33:43
was wrong and they were going to go
00:33:46
there was witness testimony that susan
00:33:49
said we're going to murder him
00:33:50
get the hell out of here when women
00:33:52
behind bars continues
00:33:54
tony went underwater and came up and
00:33:57
said help me please help me
00:33:59
and they sat there the two of them sat
00:34:01
there and watched them drown
00:34:07
on the night of may 29 1986 susan d
00:34:11
aquila and her husband tony
00:34:13
drove with four friends to the des
00:34:14
plaines river
00:34:16
police believed it was a
00:34:17
well-orchestrated ploy by susan and
00:34:19
accomplices
00:34:20
to get physically handicapped tony near
00:34:23
deep water
00:34:24
where they could push him in and drown
00:34:25
him
00:34:28
tony had a fear of water he couldn't
00:34:30
swim tony
00:34:31
had scoliosis people who knew tony said
00:34:35
in addition to the deformed shape of his
00:34:36
spine due to the scoliosis
00:34:38
his gnarled hands made it impossible for
00:34:41
him to be a strong swimmer
00:34:43
i think he could have been coaxed to go
00:34:45
near the water
00:34:46
if that was what susan wanted him to do
00:34:49
he would do just about anything for her
00:34:52
susan recounts that tony took a brief
00:34:54
dip in a shallow portion of the river
00:34:56
then got out and sat next to her on a
00:34:58
stone embankment
00:34:59
so they could look at the waterfall
00:35:01
together and he goes wow
00:35:03
doesn't that look beautiful i turned and
00:35:06
looked
00:35:07
and then all of a sudden i heard splash
00:35:12
you know everything like seemed like you
00:35:15
went in slow motion
00:35:17
susan claims her recollection is cloudy
00:35:19
from alcohol and marijuana she used that
00:35:21
night
00:35:22
it took me even a second to realize
00:35:26
that tony's not sitting there no more
00:35:28
next to me
00:35:30
she saw that he was in trouble she
00:35:32
doesn't know how to swim
00:35:34
but she started to take off her shoes
00:35:37
then i think somebody pulled her away
00:35:40
and the next thing
00:35:41
she looked down she couldn't see him
00:35:43
anymore whether the current pulled him
00:35:44
away or he was
00:35:45
under water she didn't know
00:35:49
police paint a different picture of that
00:35:51
night they believe it had all gone
00:35:53
according to plan
00:35:54
susan's plan police say that susan's
00:35:57
border
00:35:57
james johns was smitten with susan and
00:36:00
agreed to help her kill her husband
00:36:03
that's what they're really trying to do
00:36:04
is to lure him down to that location
00:36:07
you know give him a good shove and off
00:36:09
he floats and not being able to save
00:36:10
himself but susan strongly denies
00:36:13
involvement in tony's drowning
00:36:15
she maintained she never saw who pushed
00:36:17
tony into the water
00:36:18
but she believes it was james johns who
00:36:20
acted without any prompting from her
00:36:23
james johns is laughing like some kind
00:36:25
of a lunatic
00:36:26
the first thing i thought was for get
00:36:28
help
00:36:29
and i remember screaming for somebody to
00:36:32
call the cops and banging on this lady's
00:36:34
door
00:36:36
in the chaos of the moment the group
00:36:38
split up susan and her friend
00:36:40
david hurd took off in one direction
00:36:42
david's telling me we got to get out of
00:36:44
here gym's going crazy
00:36:46
you know like jim's going to kill me
00:36:47
next meanwhile james drove away in the
00:36:50
car with susan's two other friends
00:36:53
i said david we got to go to the police
00:36:55
what about tony
00:36:57
david said he was going to take care of
00:36:59
everything just trust me
00:37:01
david hurd took susan to a local bar and
00:37:03
made a phone call
00:37:04
susan says she assumed he was calling
00:37:07
but when james and the others met them
00:37:09
at the bar
00:37:10
susan realized that david had called
00:37:12
them she says by this time
00:37:14
her fear of james johns kept her quiet
00:37:17
i was never afraid beginning of james
00:37:21
chan's but
00:37:22
after that i was terrified the five
00:37:25
housemates stayed at the bar and drank
00:37:27
until closing time
00:37:29
no one ever called the police
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00:37:35
about 1 45 in the afternoon we were
00:37:37
called to the scene of this
00:37:39
particular area by the des plaines river
00:37:41
authorities found tony de aquila
00:37:43
floating face down in the water
00:37:45
just above the hoffman dam he was only
00:37:48
dressed in
00:37:50
white dvds briefs and a t-shirt
00:37:53
the medical examiner determined that
00:37:55
tony de aquila had been dead for two
00:37:57
days
00:37:58
police located susan and informed her of
00:38:01
her husband's death
00:38:02
her reaction when she was first told
00:38:04
that her husband
00:38:05
was dead was i have a mirror certificate
00:38:08
i'm next of ken
00:38:10
and then jimmy john's somebody walks up
00:38:13
and says
00:38:14
did you find tony near some water
00:38:17
i was like well how do they know that
00:38:21
susan told police she was nowhere near
00:38:23
the des plaines river when tony drowned
00:38:25
but days later the investigation turned
00:38:27
up indisputable evidence
00:38:29
that susan's car was indeed at the river
00:38:31
that night
00:38:32
there was a parking ticket written for a
00:38:34
vehicle a little bit further down
00:38:36
from where the crime scene is actually
00:38:39
that's pretty
00:38:40
damning evidence in terms of at least
00:38:42
placing them on the scene
00:38:43
susan claims she didn't tell police the
00:38:45
truth because james johns had threatened
00:38:48
her daughter
00:38:48
he goes you do what i say or i will kill
00:38:52
victoria he goes you want vicky dead
00:38:56
i mean he tried to kill my daughter you
00:38:59
know that's
00:39:00
my world to confirm their suspicions
00:39:03
police needed someone from susan's
00:39:05
circle of friends to crack
00:39:07
we surmise that jimmy john's might be
00:39:10
the weakest link
00:39:11
we asked him to come down to the police
00:39:13
department and he was outside
00:39:14
pacing in front of the police department
00:39:16
very very nervous
00:39:18
james confessed to police that he and
00:39:20
susan together pushed tony into the
00:39:22
river
00:39:22
james johns was arrested on the spot
00:39:25
officers then rounded up susan d aquila
00:39:27
and her friends who were at the river
00:39:29
that night
00:39:30
the accomplices immediately pointed the
00:39:32
finger at susan
00:39:33
and james they were trying to save
00:39:36
themselves
00:39:37
a number of them were in trouble with
00:39:39
the police were they upstanding
00:39:41
individuals
00:39:42
certainly not but the the facts are the
00:39:45
facts
00:39:46
susan the aquila was culpable she was
00:39:48
the mastermind
00:39:49
she did this for no other reason than
00:39:52
the money
00:39:56
at susan's trial prosecutors called
00:39:59
several people who testified that susan
00:40:01
talked about killing tony for his money
00:40:04
i remember the pension was worth about
00:40:06
19 000
00:40:07
and the sad thing was that was worth it
00:40:10
to susan de aquila that was enough money
00:40:11
to justify doing this
00:40:13
in susan's eyes money didn't mean
00:40:16
anything
00:40:17
friends were more important than money
00:40:20
the state's key witness was david hurd
00:40:23
previously in trouble with the law
00:40:25
who claimed he saw everything he told
00:40:27
the jury how susan and james forced tony
00:40:30
into the river
00:40:32
tony went underwater and came up and
00:40:35
said help me please help me
00:40:38
and they sat there the two of them sat
00:40:40
there and watched them drown
00:40:43
david heard indicated right after
00:40:47
this incident happened she indicated
00:40:50
thank god it's over now i'm a rich [ __ ]
00:40:53
on my mother's grave that never happened
00:40:56
one eyewitness against her had written
00:40:59
her letters saying that he knew she
00:41:01
didn't do it
00:41:02
and the judge did not allow those
00:41:04
letters in
00:41:05
i had letters written from david he goes
00:41:09
god knows you're innocent and i will
00:41:11
stick by you in the truth
00:41:13
but according to the judge susan's
00:41:14
attorney had presented the letters too
00:41:16
late to be used in her defense
00:41:19
i mean if you're on a jury and you hear
00:41:21
somebody testify that the
00:41:23
defendant is guilty and then somebody
00:41:25
brings up letters that this person has
00:41:27
written
00:41:27
saying i know you didn't do it what are
00:41:29
you going to think as a juror
00:41:32
it's not likely you're going to give his
00:41:33
testimony much credibility
00:41:35
so i think it would have made a big
00:41:37
difference
00:41:43
the jury found her guilty of first
00:41:44
degree murder and
00:41:46
it was our position that these facts
00:41:48
were brutal and heinous
00:41:49
and warranted an extended sense
00:41:52
the judge agreed with some very harsh
00:41:55
words for susan d aquila
00:41:56
he sentenced her to 60 years in prison i
00:42:00
think there was a lot of
00:42:02
preconceptions and bias against susan
00:42:05
because of her lifestyle
00:42:07
susan believes that the court might have
00:42:09
been prejudiced against her
00:42:10
because she was gay nobody was looking
00:42:13
at that in terms of any motivation
00:42:15
or anything like that it was like okay
00:42:18
well
00:42:19
that was no big deal four months later
00:42:22
james johns pled guilty because he was
00:42:24
60 years old
00:42:26
the judge sentenced him to only 20 years
00:42:29
all justice was done and they i think
00:42:32
they should have given
00:42:33
both an electric chair she did not have
00:42:36
a fair trial
00:42:37
so many things were arrayed against
00:42:40
susan
00:42:41
in terms of witnesses lying
00:42:44
and in terms of not providing any kind
00:42:47
of defense by her attorney
00:42:50
certain murders rise to the level
00:42:54
of people just have their breath taken
00:42:58
away and people
00:42:59
stop and pause and think how could
00:43:02
someone do that
00:43:03
and that was this case susan was
00:43:06
incarcerated at lincoln correctional
00:43:07
center and has served 20 years
00:43:10
she utilized her time in prison to
00:43:12
research her case and write appeals
00:43:14
petitions
00:43:15
all have been denied but her current
00:43:18
attorney is hoping that david's letters
00:43:20
among other issues
00:43:21
will be instrumental in obtaining
00:43:23
clemency since she's been in there she's
00:43:26
helped so many other women it's time for
00:43:28
her to come home
00:43:30
susan's family maintains that she is
00:43:32
wrongly convicted
00:43:33
i can't see her hurting even an animal
00:43:36
you know how could she hurt a human
00:43:38
being i can't i'll go to my grave
00:43:41
believing she's innocent
00:43:43
she's missed out on her grandkids she's
00:43:45
missed everything
00:43:47
i'm not gonna quit i'll get the evidence
00:43:49
and we got the letters we
00:43:51
you know we'll get we'll get the truth
00:43:54
god knows the truth
00:44:15
you

Badges

This episode stands out for the following:

  • 90
    Most heartbreaking
  • 85
    Most shocking
  • 80
    Most intense
  • 80
    Most unpredictable

Episode Highlights

  • The Tragic Story of Peggy Hilt
    Peggy Hilt was convicted of murdering her adopted daughter, Nina, after struggling to bond with her.
    “I grabbed her by the neck and I choked her and I hit her repeatedly.”
    @ 10m 36s
    January 12, 2021
  • The Aftermath of Nina's Death
    Following Nina's tragic death, Peggy Hilt faced severe consequences and public outrage.
    “Nina Hilt's death marked the 14th death of a child adopted from Russia in the U.S.”
    @ 18m 11s
    January 12, 2021
  • A Mother's Regret
    Peggy Hilt admits to her actions and expresses a desire to help others.
    “I hope I’ll be able to help somebody behind me because that’s the only thing.”
    @ 23m 39s
    January 12, 2021
  • Susan's Regret
    Susan expresses her remorse for hurting Nina, reflecting on her actions.
    “I did not mean to hurt Nina.”
    @ 23m 51s
    January 12, 2021
  • The Drowning Incident
    Tony's tragic drowning raises questions about the intentions of those around him.
    “I think he could have been coaxed to go near the water.”
    @ 34m 45s
    January 12, 2021
  • Trial and Sentencing
    Susan is sentenced to 60 years in prison, raising concerns about fairness in her trial.
    “She did not have a fair trial.”
    @ 42m 36s
    January 12, 2021

Episode Quotes

  • I did something horrible that I wish I could undo.
    Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode
  • I did not mean to hurt Nina.
    Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode
  • It's never okay to hit a child.
    Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode
  • I think he could have been coaxed to go near the water.
    Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode
  • Thank God it's over now, I'm a rich [ __ ].
    Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode
  • I can't see her hurting even an animal.
    Women Behind Bars - Season 1, Episode 4 - Peggy and Susan - Full Episode

Key Moments

  • Brutal Crimes00:47
  • Realization of Guilt15:42
  • Adoption Struggles22:52
  • Regret23:51
  • Child Abuse24:10
  • Vulnerability34:45
  • Chilling Statement40:50
  • Family Defense43:33

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