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this program is about unsolved mysteries
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whenever possible the actual family
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members and police officials have
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participated in recreating the events
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what you are about to see is not a news
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broadcast tonight a special unsolved
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mysteries report mysteries of the
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afterlife it is perhaps a fundamental
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question of the ages the ultimate
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mystery what happens when we die
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physical death does not exist the body
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dies but there's a new body waiting for
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you and you simply step into that and
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there you are I know it's like to die I
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know what it's like to see the other
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side and I know what it's like to come
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back
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in recent years thousands of credible
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people have come forward with remarkable
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accounts of a transcendent journey to
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the brink of death they have returned
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transformed by what they believe was a
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glimpse into a life after this life the
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explosion of interest in such near-death
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experiences has generated lively and
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controversial debate many people are now
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convinced traditional views of heaven
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and hell may soon give way to a new
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concept what lies beyond the grave in
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the next hour three dramatic stories
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about life death and the Hereafter
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in 1975 dannion brinkley was struck down
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by a powerful bolt of lightning his
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miraculous near-death experience very
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literally changed his life
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when Karen Walker died of cancer at 21
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her grief-stricken parents embarked on a
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spiritual journey that they say enabled
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them to communicate with Karen's spirit
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to all appearances Heidi Wyrick seems
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like any other eight year old but Heidi
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has consistently described strange
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visions of people no one else can see
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real people passed away long before
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Heidi was even born is as simply her
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imagination but as Heidi have a special
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gift that enables her to move among the
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dead join us with a special report as we
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explore the mysteries of the afterlife
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you're about to meet a psychic named
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dannion brinkley is perhaps best known
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for his book saved by the light a
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dramatic account of his brush with the
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afterlife danya's is a remarkable story
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made more remarkable by the manner in
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which he apparently acquired his psychic
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powers it was on a blustery night some
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20 years ago September 17th 1975 severe
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thunderstorms were sweeping through the
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southeast Daniel then 25 was at home and
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Aiken South Carolina with his wife sandy
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hey Tommy dannion was on the phone with
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his best friend Tom when the storm
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passed directly overhead
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at least 180 thousand volts of
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electricity shot through Daniels body a
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jolt so powerful it left his shoes
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welded to the floor I couldn't move I
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couldn't scream I couldn't talk I didn't
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know what had happened I was on fire and
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burning and then all of a sudden I'm out
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of my body I saw sandy checking me to
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see if I was breathing and start to work
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on me and push it on my chest and
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clearing my airway
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Tommy heard the explosion and he was on
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his way over he got there he was a
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corpsman in the Navy he wrapped me he
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went to work on me
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he's trying to get my heart started he's
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pushing he's breathing in my mouth he's
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talking to me I look over his shoulder
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and in my mind the first thing I thought
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is I always thought I was a bit much
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better-looking guy than that but I never
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got a chance to think anymore about it
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for all intents and purposes dannion
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brinkley was clinically dead he claims
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that he then embarked on what has come
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to be recognized as a classic near-death
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experience
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I start down this tunnel I see what
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appears to be a form coming out of this
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beautiful misty blue then all of a
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sudden I saw a panoramic life review I
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not only felt everything I'd ever done
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and saw everything I'd ever done I
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became every person that I had ever
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encountered in his youth dannion was by
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his own admission self-centered and mean
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nothing short of a bully the pattern
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continued during a tour of duty in
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Southeast Asia Daniel says he was now
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forced to confront those he had
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victimized through the years
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I felt the pain and the anguish and the
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anger and the frustration and I had
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caused these people and you know it
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people don't realize that you judge
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yourself when this happens you just
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judge yourself and that's what I did
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dannion was rushed to the hospital in
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the emergency room his breathing
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faltered then stopped minutes later
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Daniel's best friend Tom Hall was told
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that he was dead I just had a hard time
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dealing with this so they wheeled Danny
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into this little dark room I have no
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idea what made me go back in there I
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just had to see for myself
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and I just felt like you know that he
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wasn't gone and I saw the sheet moving I
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all of a sudden went from a spiritual
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place in world back into this place
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where I'm in a hospital I'm under this
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sheet and I'm looking up at it I can't
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move I can't talk I'm going far again
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miraculously dannion brinkley returned
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to life nearly 28 minutes after he says
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he had been declared dead doctor William
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said he's in pretty bad shape the way it
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looks that the lightening went down his
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back and I think he's just shattered his
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nerve system the doctors never did say
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he'll die alone he only ever he never
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didn't you just said well taking one
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minute at a time or one hour at a time
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or one day at a time after a week in the
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hospital dannion was released he was
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hardly able to walk or talk his eyes
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were so light-sensitive that he had to
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wear dark welders glasses at all times I
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was partially paralyzed for seven months
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and it took two years to learn to walk
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and feed myself and I had a lot of time
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to lie on my back hurting so bad falling
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down and blacking out and breaking my
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nose and not knowing where I was but the
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visions and things that had happened in
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this now what we call the near-death
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experience have stayed with me longer
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and more coherently than virtually
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anything that ever
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dannion remembered being led into what
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looked like a magnificent glowing
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Cathedral which he recognized as a place
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of learning before him were thirteen
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figures which he calls beings dannion
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says the beings approached him one at a
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time each thrusting a box towards him
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inside of each box were tiny images of
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an event yet to happen dannion claims it
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all together he witnessed 117 future
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occurrences including the election of
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Ronald Reagan the collapse of the Soviet
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Union and the Gulf War in 1991 dannion
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leaders shared his visions with several
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of his friends who are not willing to
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verify that dannion did indeed predict
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events before they happened dannion
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first mate had started making his
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predictions as as he was convalescing he
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was talking about
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wormwood which we became Chernobyl he
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was talking about the Foods lines in
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Russia butter starving and it was just a
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lot of predictions that you know yeah I
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didn't pay that much attention to him at
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the time he'd always talked about the
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Gulf War and the collapse of communism
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and things like that but at the time you
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didn't think that much about it but then
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when it came about is when you really
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start thinking about it Daniel now
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believes that his near-death experience
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marked the birth of his psychic
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abilities but in the months just after
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the accident he admits he was simply a
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dazed and bewildered young man would
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undergone a dramatic transformation
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crazy you being dead no it's just it
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Tommy I wouldn't do it I was really
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confused I've never heard of the
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near-death experience and I literally
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was driving people nuts cuz I wanted
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somebody to tell me either it didn't
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happen which I knew it did and please
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explain it I've been astounded at the
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number of people I've met who have had
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such an experience almost a year after
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the accident
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spring of 1976 dannion attended a
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lecture given by dr. Raymond Moody
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one of the country's earliest
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authorities on near-death experiences
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very notions of death that day changed
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my life forever because that's when I
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knew I wasn't completely crazy someone
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has had a similar experience dr. moody
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I've had one of them experiences it gave
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me a way for someone who was kind and
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understanding to explain to me what
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might have happened to me when I heard
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his account it seemed very consistent
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with what I had heard from many other
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people I saw this light and I started
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going towards it it's something that
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happens to quite a number of patients
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who get resuscitated following cardiac
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arrest and therefore for that reason
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doctors need to know about this so that
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they can reassure the patient that
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they're not alone that in fact that this
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occurs fairly frequently dr. moody is
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also able to verify at least one of
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Daniels predictions and and things about
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the future things were gonna happen to
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our country in April of 1976 he told me
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that in 1990 there was going to be a
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breakdown of the Soviet Union and that
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there would be food disturbances and
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riots and connection with it
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in the nineteen years since his
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near-death experience dannion has honed
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his psychic abilities recently those
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abilities were put to the test when
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dannion was asked to consult on a brutal
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murder case on august 12th 1993 John and
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Nancy Bosco a Bigfork Montana had been
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shot to death
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execution-style as they slept the police
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investigation turned up absolutely no
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leads
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two months later John's mother Tony met
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with dannion brinkley he immediately
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began to describe a suspect this is a
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kid this is a slight bill kid with black
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hair this is someone who knows John he
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knew the layout of this house he's away
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at college in the very early part of
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December this little kid will be caught
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and he's in a college somewhere out west
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I have to say that I just shook my head
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and I thought to myself I made a mistake
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and coming down dannion doesn't know
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this this isn't gonna get me anywhere I
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couldn't begin to make sense out of what
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he was saying
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but amazingly dannion brinkley was
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correct on all counts just as he
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predicted a suspect 18-year old shadow
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Clark was arrested in December and later
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convicted incredibly Clark had lived in
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the murder house did know the boscoe's
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penny was attending college in the West
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dannion had apparently solved the case
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through the power of his mind this is
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new to me and sometimes it's troublesome
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because I pick up things that I don't
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want to know about and if someone's
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intense around me I'm perceiving it but
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and I try to I'm still trying to figure
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out ways to turn it off okay and at the
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same time ways to perfect it
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enjoy the experiments in an attempt to
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verify Daniels purported powers noted
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Paris psychologist dr. William role
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observed dannion in a series of tests
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well if I just see your hand okay
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Daniel gave readings for eight people he
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had never met before and several
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instances he picked out details about
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the lives of these individuals there
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were facts that he could not have known
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it was like you knew when to pull out
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and that's recognized by your family
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from the brief experiments that we did
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this time I would say he's one of the
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more remarkable psychics that I have
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worked with for sure
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and perhaps in the country today dannion
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brinkley devotes much of his time to
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volunteering at hospices and nursing
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homes throughout the country dannion
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believes that his own profound
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experience has left him uniquely
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qualified to counsel others they say you
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never can know what it's like until
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you've been there I know what it's like
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to be afraid I know what it's like to
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face death I know what happens when the
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doctors and the religious world loses
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its credibility to you at certain stages
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morning how do you feel you did fine you
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have the flowers looking really great
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perhaps the most remarkable aspect of
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Banyon story is as transformation from
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the self-centered bully of his youth to
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the Good Samaritan of today I have found
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a way to receive love from people and
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hospices and nursing homes and I don't
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know if that's balanced in the books but
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I don't care whether that is or not for
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I've dealt with it and I've dealt with
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all that I've been and all that's
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happened to me
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and I dealt with it and then I went to
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work if dannion brinkley was an isolated
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case it might be easy to explain away or
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perhaps even dismiss but incredibly some
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researchers estimate that more than
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eight million Americans have had a
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near-death experience while few claimed
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will become psychics many of them
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describe a journey fantastically similar
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to dannion brinkley z--
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as I went unconscious all I saw was
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darkness that darkness gradually took
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the shape of the tunnel and way off
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absolutely positively to infinity
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appeared this little speck of white
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light this was the most beautiful thing
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that I'd ever experienced in my life it
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was just extraordinary
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I then experienced a complete total life
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review I was then given a choice to
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return to normal life or stay and become
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part of this light prior to this
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experience what I had figured out was
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that when you die you die the show is
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over everything goes black and that's it
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I had thought about such things as
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religion and so on and I thought that it
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was just a bunch of foolishness I didn't
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really know where I was
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it's just I looked up and I saw this
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bright light at the end of a tunnel and
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there were colored bricks on the walls
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of the tunnel and then I saw this lady
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she took my hand she said I'm Elizabeth
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and I will help you
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she just led me into the light and
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through the light and into heaven I just
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felt that this was the place I wanted to
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be it I was still alive there was still
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a part of me like my soul my spirit was
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still alive I wasn't dead at all the
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near-death experience is not a recent
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phenomenon reports of people coming back
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from the dead date to the Middle Ages
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however over the last two decades
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advances and modern medicine made
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dramatic resuscitation much more
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frequent there's no question in my mind
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that near-death experiences are real to
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the people to whom they happen that is
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that it's interpreted as a real event it
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makes enormous change in their life and
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so on and so it's in that sense it's a
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part of their reality but for the rest
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of us you haven't had that kind of
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experience we just can't know we can't
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know based on what someone else says or
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reports
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is the near-death experience truly a
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peek into the afterlife or is it the
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physical manifestation of the human body
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breaking down as it dies dr. Susan
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Blackmore
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a psychologist believes all the major
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components of the near-death experience
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can be explained there are two main
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things that we need to understand that
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are happening in the brain either when
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it comes close to death always under
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severe stress one of these is a lack of
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oxygen
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the tunnel is a good example of
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something I think we can explain in
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terms of what's happening in the brain
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in the visual cortex where all visual
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information is processed we know that
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the way the cells are laid out is so
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that there are lots and lots of cells
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towards the middle of what you're
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looking at fading out towards lots of
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the outside now when you come close to
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death or are under severe stress what
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happens is that all these cells start
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randomly firing well what's that going
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to look like it's going to look like a
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bright light in the middle fading off
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towards dark at the outside
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then you'll find that lack of oxygen
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will produce visions hallucinations
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flashbacks to one's past life and even
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feelings of floating flying and
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out-of-body experiences endorphins also
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can do that they act to make you feel
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relaxed floating Pleasant is a very very
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nice feeling terrible things might be
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happening your body might be down there
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blood all over the place um you know but
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it feels okay and I think it candidates
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best lead to a kind of mystical
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acceptance which can be quite profound I
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would have to say that some of the
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things they're saying is true that that
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may be happening to some it may be
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hallucinations to others but then there
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are those of us that move to step past
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that and we have a soul we're powerful
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spiritual beings I'm starting where
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their definitions and explanations that
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leave off many people argue that if you
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can understand all these experiences in
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terms of brain chemicals that somehow
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makes them unimportant but not so at all
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the fact that you can see your life in a
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different context feel different about
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yourself and about other people see
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what's important and what isn't
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important that's what changes lives I
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don't mind if that's created by brain
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chemicals or going to heaven the
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important fact is that it may can make
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you a better person
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the explanations that I have heard
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proposed of near-death experiences are
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interesting and of course you know we
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should encourage physiological studies
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of everything all kinds of mental states
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and so on but my assessment is that we
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just don't know the answer to this yet
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and that I don't feel myself in any
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great hurry to come to the answer yet I
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mean it's a mystery if we are to believe
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even for an instant that the living can
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go to the brink of death and return then
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we must consider another incredible
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possibility can the dead themselves come
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back from the other side perhaps to take
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care of unfinished business
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the death of a family member is perhaps
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one of the most difficult experiences
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any of us will ever endure who among us
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is not longed for just one final
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opportunity to speak with a departed
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loved one incredibly a woman in Southern
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California believe she got that chance
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after the death of her daughter
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Karen Walker was the only child of Jean
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and Tom Walker born in 1949 Karen had
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what would be considered a perfectly
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ordinary upbringing Karen was a very
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imaginative child a very affectionate
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person very bright red extensively from
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the time she was about three I no longer
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had to read to her she would read the
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stories to me instead which was
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wonderful one story in particular would
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come to symbolize the closeness Karen
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and her parents felt from each other the
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three musketeers the familiar phrase all
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for one one for all became the Walker
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family motto when Karen was 17 the
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family circle expanded to include her
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new boyfriend Jim Alvarado Karen and Jim
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seemed an unlikely match Jim came from a
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large working-class family he was a poor
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student we'd been told he'd never amount
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to much Karen knew better she saw
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something in me in terms of potential as
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far as my intellect was concerned you're
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right and even though she at that time
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she didn't know you know what I lack
00:23:54
necessarily in academic skills although
00:23:56
over that period of time in study hall
00:23:58
she began to learn and she began to help
00:24:01
me even then but still there were times
00:24:05
when Jim's mind would wander Karen had
00:24:08
her own special way of getting him back
00:24:10
on track and she would get my attention
00:24:20
and and I would straighten up and and
00:24:22
and get back to work and and do what I
00:24:25
had to do she was my tutor she was my
00:24:27
helper she was my friend and somebody
00:24:31
who I love very very much in December of
00:24:36
1969 when Karen was 20 tragedy struck
00:24:39
the cause of a lingering pain in her
00:24:42
right leg was finally diagnosed Karen
00:24:45
had Ewing sarcoma a rare usually fatal
00:24:48
form of cancer
00:24:50
we reacted with horror but with
00:24:54
determination we were going to see to it
00:24:56
that she got well the three musketeers
00:24:58
were gonna stay together Karen began an
00:25:03
exhaustive regimen of radiation and
00:25:05
chemotherapy treatments then on February
00:25:09
20th 1970 Garen suffered an agonizing
00:25:13
setback karen woke up about five o'clock
00:25:18
in the morning my pain in her leg for
00:25:23
the first time in a long time she had
00:25:24
been going through the cobalt therapy
00:25:26
and the pain had disappeared and
00:25:28
suddenly the pain was excruciating okay
00:25:35
I moved to the cancer had eaten the bone
00:25:37
completely through the bone was no
00:25:39
longer there through it all
00:25:43
Karen's spirit was indomitable Jim
00:25:46
proposed in March and a wedding date was
00:25:48
set December 19th
00:25:50
1970 but on December 7th the Karen
00:25:56
lapsed into a coma though devastated
00:25:59
Tom and Jean accepted the inevitable
00:26:02
from the time Karen was in the hospital
00:26:06
Tom would bring her every day a single
00:26:09
red rose and that was just kind of a
00:26:11
symbol between them they you know that
00:26:13
was their little affectionate thing that
00:26:16
they did
00:26:22
I want you to know that if you have to
00:26:25
leave us me and your mom we understand
00:26:30
remember what whatever happens to what
00:26:34
we'll always be together remember what
00:26:39
we used to say about the three
00:26:40
musketeers how we'd always stick
00:26:43
together yeah one for all and all for
00:26:47
one when I learned that the tumor had
00:26:55
gone into the brain I knew we had
00:26:58
reached to the end she woke up in the
00:27:03
middle of the night and I held her hand
00:27:05
and asked her how she was because that
00:27:09
was first time she had talked to me in
00:27:10
nine days
00:27:17
it's time I can't go on like this
00:27:21
anymore
00:27:22
I can't think anymore I understand
00:27:26
is it okay of course please tell Dad and
00:27:33
tell Jim that it was my decision that I
00:27:36
was ready to go I will I promise
00:27:40
[Music]
00:27:51
[Music]
00:27:54
and as I was watching something went out
00:27:59
of the top of her head had just lifted
00:28:02
and it was like a wisp of smoke or fog
00:28:05
or something and as I saw that happen I
00:28:08
said goodbye Karen Karen died on
00:28:14
December 17th two days before she would
00:28:17
have been married I was devastated I was
00:28:22
you know not really feeling any any
00:28:24
physical pain but emotionally I was
00:28:27
feeling terrible and I guess at that
00:28:30
time I was searching for the answers why
00:28:31
and and you know angered the night after
00:28:35
Karen passed away Jim stayed at Jean and
00:28:38
Tom's home he sat up late in the hope
00:28:41
that studying would take his mind off
00:28:43
the loss incredibly Jim was about to get
00:28:47
the first hint that Karen's spirit had
00:28:50
survived
00:28:53
it was more than a kick it was really
00:28:56
unawakened on my part they got my
00:28:57
attention and I realized that at that
00:29:02
point that you know Karen was was with
00:29:06
me at that point
00:29:08
Jim's brief encounter helped him cope
00:29:11
with Karen's death but it was only an
00:29:14
inkling of what was to come
00:29:15
when we returned Jean and Tom Walker
00:29:18
journey into a world of mediums and
00:29:20
psychics and Karen's spirit breaks
00:29:23
through
00:29:29
on December 17th 1970 21 year-old Karen
00:29:34
Walker passed away after a long bout
00:29:36
with cancer seeking consolation her
00:29:40
parents Tom and Jane went to visit
00:29:42
family near San Francisco there over the
00:29:46
next few days they sought out psychics
00:29:48
and mediums in the faint hope that they
00:29:50
might contact care and spirit three
00:29:53
times they tried and three times the
00:29:55
walkers went away disappointed which is
00:29:57
from Abraham they left for home on
00:30:01
Christmas Day and passing through Santa
00:30:04
Barbara they decided to call a medium
00:30:05
Jean had once read about his name was a
00:30:08
Reverend George Daisley Reverend nasally
00:30:12
answered the phone and told Tom that he
00:30:16
was very sorry but he was about 6 months
00:30:18
ahead and so tom said well could we make
00:30:21
an appointment for 6 months from now and
00:30:24
Reverend Daisy said just a minute just a
00:30:27
minute the spirits are telling me I must
00:30:29
see you immediately
00:30:30
could you stay overnight and Tom of
00:30:33
course said well yes of course and so we
00:30:37
made the appointment for the next
00:30:38
morning and went to see him
00:30:41
Jean and Tom agreed to limit the
00:30:43
information they gave Reverend Daisley
00:30:45
while they did tell him their daughter
00:30:47
had recently died they did not give him
00:30:50
Karen's name 19 hours had passed since
00:30:53
the phone conversation the walkers were
00:30:56
confident
00:30:57
Reverend days Lee could not have learned
00:30:58
anything about them overnight
00:31:00
I knew they were grieving parents simply
00:31:04
because today George days Lee is 83
00:31:07
years old he still lives in Santa
00:31:09
Barbara it is known that I knew nothing
00:31:12
about them whatsoever otherwise nothing
00:31:16
whatsoever the sitting commenced just
00:31:21
after 10:00 a.m. some people like to
00:31:27
take notes during our city days Lee's
00:31:30
first impressions were a stole his voice
00:31:32
I would tell you everything that she
00:31:34
says your daughter is here she is safe
00:31:39
she is well she says she doesn't hurt
00:31:43
anymore
00:31:46
she wants me to tell you that you were
00:31:48
the three musketeers and you still are
00:31:50
she says we are the three musketeers and
00:31:54
we'll always be together
00:31:56
I was just flabbergasted that she could
00:32:03
come up with the one piece of
00:32:05
information that was so specific to us I
00:32:09
think if she had said nothing else that
00:32:12
day I would always always know that
00:32:14
Karen was still alive I'm hearing the
00:32:20
name Karen yes yes it's Karen it's her
00:32:25
birthday soon
00:32:26
I believe yes January the 12th she wants
00:32:30
you to celebrate her birthday the
00:32:32
details literally spilled out of
00:32:33
Reverend Daisley the three musketeers
00:32:36
Karen's name her birthday even detailed
00:32:40
descriptions of two photographs taken
00:32:42
when Karen was a child we went home
00:32:46
smiling and crying and the emotions were
00:32:51
just volatile but there was always from
00:32:59
then on there was that underlying
00:33:00
current of I know she's okay according
00:33:06
to Jean Karen eventually began to
00:33:08
communicate without the aid of a medium
00:33:11
incredibly Jean says that Karen's spirit
00:33:14
even guided her to write this book
00:33:16
always Karen published a 1975 chronicles
00:33:20
Karen Walker struggled with cancer her
00:33:23
death and her first-hand views of a life
00:33:25
beyond this one
00:33:28
when we die we go into another dimension
00:33:30
that from this side we can't see but is
00:33:34
still life the body dies but there's a
00:33:39
new body waiting for you and you simply
00:33:42
step into that and there you are she
00:33:46
said I glow I'm filled with light
00:33:54
[Music]
00:33:57
is it possible to bridge the chasm
00:33:59
between the living and the dead
00:34:01
between our earthly life and an
00:34:03
afterlife in a small town of Ellerslie
00:34:06
Georgia we found a little girl named
00:34:08
Heidi Wyrick who apparently evinces at
00:34:10
astounding ability the ability to make
00:34:13
contact with real people who passed over
00:34:15
to the other side
00:34:16
decades ago hello honey what's your name
00:34:23
Heidi that's a pretty name you know I
00:34:27
live right next door and in my backyard
00:34:30
I have a swing I bet you like to swing
00:34:34
don't you yes it all began in February
00:34:39
of 1989 just after Heidi's family had
00:34:42
moved to Ellerslie according to Heidi
00:34:44
a man named Khan appeared at the front
00:34:47
door right here and he had a t-shirt on
00:34:53
with blood all over it and he had a
00:34:58
bandage on his hand with blood on it why
00:35:02
don't you go ask your mama if it's okay
00:35:04
[Music]
00:35:17
[Music]
00:35:20
are you sure I thought someone was
00:35:24
trying to kidnap her so I brought Heidi
00:35:28
and I locked all the doors and I got the
00:35:30
butcher knife out of the kid you know
00:35:32
out of the drawer and I I called my
00:35:34
husband home I said Andy you've got to
00:35:36
come home you know there's somebody
00:35:37
trying to kidnap Heidi we got out we
00:35:39
walked all up and down the street you
00:35:41
know trying to find somebody to fit that
00:35:43
description but we never you know found
00:35:46
a buddy
00:35:48
soon after had he had seen Cahn she
00:35:50
started seeing a man she would call mr.
00:35:53
Gordy and he was he would come in the
00:35:56
yard and she would she would play with
00:35:58
him outside
00:35:59
hi there Heidi that is your name is
00:36:03
I'm mr. Gordy and I used to live in this
00:36:07
neighborhood in fact I knew those people
00:36:10
next door real well they used to have a
00:36:14
great swing over there in the backyard
00:36:16
would you like to go over and swing with
00:36:18
me for a few minutes I thought that Khan
00:36:25
and Gordy was the same person so I
00:36:27
thought his name was Khanna Gordy and
00:36:29
that's when I started asking everybody
00:36:31
do they have they ever heard of a name
00:36:33
kind Gordy I didn't know really who it
00:36:37
was or you know if it was a real person
00:36:39
but then afterward you know we couldn't
00:36:42
find nobody or nobody to fit the
00:36:45
description then that's when I started
00:36:48
thinking you know that was just
00:36:49
imaginary friends that didn't really
00:36:50
bother me too bad then it began to
00:36:54
bother Andy Wiley and Lisa as well when
00:36:57
Lisa's sister would bought the house
00:36:59
next door
00:37:00
showed them the former owners papers
00:37:05
look James Escort II when I see mr.
00:37:10
Gordy's name on the deed I mean I was
00:37:12
terrified I really was because I knew
00:37:16
that the previous owners had was there
00:37:19
you know years and years and years back
00:37:21
so I knew that mr. Gordy I knew he had
00:37:25
to have been dead I knew mr. Gordy when
00:37:28
I was a small child I know mr. Gordy
00:37:31
owned a real estate company in Columbus
00:37:33
and for many many years he was a
00:37:37
sunday-school superintendent at our
00:37:39
church up your elephant Methodist Church
00:37:40
and Katherine Redford's family had owned
00:37:44
the house next to the wirings Katherine
00:37:46
verified that James Gordy who was the
00:37:48
executor of her mother's will had died
00:37:50
in 1974 mr. Gordy was a well he was a
00:37:55
tall lean man in stature and he was on
00:37:58
had a lot of dry wit about him but he
00:38:01
was he was a good man and he loved
00:38:04
people he loved children and he was
00:38:07
always willing to help people and do
00:38:08
things for them I asked Heidi did you
00:38:12
know at the time I asked her did she
00:38:13
think that it was a ghost
00:38:16
and she was so little at the time she
00:38:19
said that she didn't know because I said
00:38:21
does he look like a normal person or can
00:38:23
you see through him she said mr. Gordy
00:38:25
looks just like you mama just like
00:38:27
somebody real Catherine Ledford had no
00:38:34
photographs of mr. Gordy himself but she
00:38:36
corroborated Heidi's description mr.
00:38:39
Gordy had gray hair
00:38:41
always wore a suit and tie and shiny
00:38:43
black shoes Catherine did bring over
00:38:46
photographs of her family many of whom
00:38:48
had once lived right next door I was
00:38:53
looking through the pictures and I never
00:38:55
saw none of them people and when I got
00:38:58
to the bottom there's this little bitty
00:39:01
picture that's cars
00:39:11
well you nothing that is baby his name
00:39:15
is lon and he's my office Fitness law
00:39:19
and that you saw lawn lived here when he
00:39:25
was a young man he died in nineteen and
00:39:27
57 of cancer and he lost his hand at a
00:39:34
very early age I would say before I was
00:39:36
20 years old in a cotton gin up here in
00:39:38
Ellis Lee when I saw he was he was
00:39:44
hoping this right hand under his left
00:39:46
hand and he was doing that in the
00:39:47
picture when I found out that that it
00:39:52
was miss Kelly's uncle and his name
00:39:54
really wasn't kind it was line it scared
00:39:57
me to death
00:39:58
because I knew how he was really seeing
00:39:59
something and she was so small at the
00:40:03
time and she couldn't really speak that
00:40:05
well so I knew right then she was
00:40:08
mistaken it wasn't calling it was line
00:40:13
at little hidey Wyrick somehow tapped
00:40:15
into the afterlife her visions of lawn
00:40:19
and mr. Gordy remain consistent and
00:40:21
benign for three years then Heidi's
00:40:23
mother Lisa became pregnant when we
00:40:27
return a new unknown entity manifests
00:40:30
itself in an ominous and threatening
00:40:32
fashion for more than four years young
00:40:43
heidi Yreka valorously georgia continued
00:40:46
to encounter the benevolent spirits of
00:40:48
two men james Gordy and LAN bachelor
00:40:50
both long dead but soon after Heidi's
00:40:53
mother became pregnant in 1993 a
00:40:56
sinister Paul fell over Heidi's house of
00:40:59
spirits
00:41:06
[Music]
00:41:14
howdy had never been scared of anything
00:41:17
she had never been scared of a Conchie
00:41:20
and never been scared of mr. Gordy but
00:41:22
when she's seen the dark figure in a
00:41:24
hallway she was hysterical
00:41:26
she was I mean frightened she was
00:41:28
screaming she was terrified the new
00:41:33
spirit became a frequent but unwelcome
00:41:35
guest sometimes visible and sometimes
00:41:38
only sensed
00:41:46
at first we and my husband I talked
00:41:49
about moving and but like I told him I
00:41:52
said I don't think it would do any good
00:41:54
to move because wherever we go she's
00:41:58
just got that gift that she's gonna
00:41:59
she's gonna see people from the past or
00:42:02
people that has been dead On February
00:42:05
3rd 1994 Heidi's baby sister Jordan was
00:42:09
born two weeks later
00:42:11
Heidi's otherworldly visitations took a
00:42:14
horrifying turn she had just deep gashes
00:42:30
down her face and it terrified me I
00:42:32
didn't know what it was I mean it was so
00:42:35
bad that the blood had come to the
00:42:38
surface I mean I didn't know what it was
00:42:41
and I figured what it's so bad it's
00:42:43
gonna leave a scar and I couldn't
00:42:45
imagine what could have scratched her
00:42:47
that bad I thought maybe she has crashed
00:42:50
herself during the night and I didn't
00:42:52
really think too much about it so about
00:42:54
two nights later I woke up my side was
00:42:58
just burning like fire
00:43:01
[Music]
00:43:04
listen listen what is it
00:43:08
I had three Clone Wars going around my
00:43:12
side the next night I went to sleep and
00:43:15
I woke up and I had three claw marks
00:43:17
down my back and then it happened again
00:43:20
the next night and I woke up had three
00:43:21
claw marks down my chest maybe it might
00:43:24
be a rat in the house but I know that
00:43:27
you know I would have woke up fighter v
00:43:30
rat crawling on me and scratching my
00:43:32
face or side or whatever but after it
00:43:35
happened four nights straight and and it
00:43:39
got to a point where me and Lisa would
00:43:40
go to bed and then I tell her I said if
00:43:43
I wake up in the morning I got scratches
00:43:44
on me you know I don't know what I'm
00:43:45
gonna do I was worried to death that it
00:43:48
was gonna scratch the baby and that's
00:43:51
when you know I was so worried I thought
00:43:53
well I've got to do something before it
00:43:55
scratches her and that's when I called
00:43:57
dr. rolls once again parapsychologist
00:44:01
dr. William roll was a logical choice to
00:44:04
investigate and perhaps explain the
00:44:06
unusual occurrences and where was mr.
00:44:11
Gordy standing do you think on September
00:44:14
12th of this year dr. roll visited the
00:44:17
why Rick's house okay she came up with
00:44:20
physical descriptions and with names
00:44:23
that she apparently could not have
00:44:25
obtained in any ordinary way so that
00:44:27
immediately made me interest in the case
00:44:29
a couple of pictures had been found of
00:44:33
mr. Gordy the hope was that Heidi would
00:44:40
be able to to identify mr. Gordy mr.
00:44:44
gorgeous picture if they were presented
00:44:46
to her with with a number of other
00:44:48
photographs in this pile of pictures
00:44:52
we're looking for somebody who looks
00:44:53
like mr. Gordy alright so what you are
00:44:59
watching is real
00:45:00
Heidi Wyrick is looking through the
00:45:03
photographs for the first time
00:45:11
[Music]
00:45:18
that looks like
00:45:21
that is mr. cornea right incredibly
00:45:27
Heidi had chosen the photograph of James
00:45:30
Gordy twice now the little girl had
00:45:33
correctly identified her spirits from a
00:45:35
photo lineup having spoken to to Heidi
00:45:40
and her parents and even more convinced
00:45:46
that that we are dealing that we are
00:45:48
dealing with genuine peril psychological
00:45:52
experiences then the question comes up
00:45:56
why are these things happening to this
00:45:58
little girl why indeed was at all just a
00:46:03
coincidence did Heidi simply make two
00:46:05
Lucky guesses or does Heidi Wiley
00:46:09
possess some mysterious power to
00:46:11
communicate with the dead I'm not scared
00:46:15
of Conn and mr. Gordy because they
00:46:18
talked to me and they they don't scare
00:46:22
me they play with me and the reason I
00:46:26
was scared of the other ones is because
00:46:28
they don't talk to me and I can't see I
00:46:34
can't see his face if she sees them you
00:46:38
know what it don't bother her and she
00:46:39
talks to these people then I'm fine with
00:46:41
it
00:46:42
just so long as I don't see I think how
00:46:45
do you special I do i she's been seeing
00:46:48
him for so long now and it's just
00:46:50
something I don't think she'll ever grow
00:46:52
out of she's just a special child she's
00:46:55
gifted so to speak
00:47:01
is there truly an afterlife a Sunday
00:47:05
school teacher named Rossiter Raymond
00:47:06
once wrote death is only a horizon and a
00:47:10
horizon is nothing save the limit of our
00:47:12
sight until we each embark on the final
00:47:16
journey what lies beyond will remain a
00:47:17
source of wonder the most profound
00:47:20
mystery
00:47:21
[Music]
00:47:48
[Applause]
00:47:52
[Music]
