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>> Gentlemen.
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>> Sit down.
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>> Hey, Munoz, any chance we
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can do without the jewelry, huh?
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Oh, come on, man.
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So.
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>> So?
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>> Hey, anybody got a cigarette?
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>> No.
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He don't smoke either.
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>> All right, cool.
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>> We've driven seven hours to
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talk with you today, Mr. Wells.
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>> Floyd. Please call me Floyd,
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man.
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>> So let's just slide on past
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the cool talk, Floyd.
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Now, your warden tells us
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you might have something for us.
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We don't believe you,
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so it's your job to convince us
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that we're wrong.
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>> Right to it, huh?
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[ laughs ]
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Whoo! I like that.
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But first we gotta talk about
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my deal. I mean--
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>> Guard!
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Goodbye, Floyd.
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>> All right, all right,
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all right!
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[ sigh ]
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First I talk, then we deal.
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I was feeling kind of cooped up,
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you know, just wanting
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to head out.
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And it wasn't on account of no
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bad deal with Mr. Clutter.
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Nothing like that, no, sir.
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He always treated me straight,
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same as he treated any man
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who ever worked for him.
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Fact is, I liked Mr. Clutter.
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I did. His whole family.
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Nice people.
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Anyway, it was about 10 years
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after, I pulled three to five
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in here, petty stuff.
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I mean, come on, man.
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I took a lawnmower--
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>> How'd you meet Hickock?
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>> They put us in the same cell
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together for maybe a month.
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I don't remember
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how it first come up.
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Must have been we was
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discussing jobs, you know,
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different kinds of work
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we'd done.
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>> That was when you told him
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what a nice man Clutter was?
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What a nice family he had?
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>> That's right.
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So he asked me if Clutter
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was rich and I said sure.
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After that, man,
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Dick wouldn't let up.
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How big was his farm?
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How old were his daughters,
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right?
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Did Clutter keep a safe?
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And I told him, yeah.
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Well, something like a safe
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around his desk somewhere.
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Next thing I know, man,
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Dick's talking about killing
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Mr. Clutter, right?
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>> All by himself?
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Hickock was going to go down
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there and kill Clutter
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all by himself?
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>> Nah, nah, man, with Perry.
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Perry Smith, a real quiet guy,
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says he's part Indian.
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But Dick always said, man,
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if ever a chance for a big score
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come up, he could count on
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Perry to go partners with.
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>> [ speaking German ]
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>> ♪ In this world today ♪
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♪ That we are living ♪
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♪ Some folks say ♪
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♪ The worst of us they can ♪
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>> [ speaking German ]
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>> ♪ When we're dead ♪
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♪ And in our caskets ♪
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♪ They'll always put ♪
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♪ Some lilies in our hand ♪
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♪ Won't you give me flowers ♪
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♪ While I'm living? ♪
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♪ Give me flowers ♪
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♪ While I'm still alive ♪
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♪ Won't you please ♪
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♪ Give me some flowers ♪
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♪ While I'm living ♪
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♪ Don't save all the flowers ♪
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♪ Till I've died ♪
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>> Ya, ya, that's good.
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>> ♪ Don't save all ♪
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♪ The flowers till I've died ♪
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>> Whoo!
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>> Bravo, bravo, bravo!
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>> This is it, ain't it, baby?
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The way it ought to be.
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>> Hey, Perry.
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Why don't you go fishing?
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Catch us some dinner, ya?
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>> Ya.
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>> I'm paying enough
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for this damn boat.
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At least we can have
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free dinner.
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That is good. Ya, ya.
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[ speaking German ]
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Ya. [ laughs ]
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[ reel spins ]
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>> Oh, shit! Oh, shit!
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>> He's got a fish!
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[ all talking at once ]
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[ applause ]
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>> Ya, good. Now shake hands.
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>> Well, I hope you find him,
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for his own sake.
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He wouldn't have run
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unless he was in trouble again.
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>> How many bad checks
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this time, sir?
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>> Seven.
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I can't pay any of 'em.
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Wish the Lord could tell me
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what happened.
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>> Ma'am, have you ever met
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this man?
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His name is Perry, Perry Smith.
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>> That's the one.
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That's what happened to
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Richard, that friend of his.
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>> When did you meet him?
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>> Oh, Richard brought him home
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one time.
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He said he was a friend
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and wanted to know
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could Perry sleep here.
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>> I said no.
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One look, and I saw what he was.
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Clear as water where Dick
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had met that one.
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[ coughing ]
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>> They went off on a weekend
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trip and I know that that Perry
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Smith put him up to writing all
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them bad checks after they got
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back from that trip.
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>> Your son tell you where
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they were going, ma'am?
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>> Ft. Scott. Perry's got
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a sister down there.
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She was holding money for him.
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>> $1,500.
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>> They were gone overnight.
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>> When was that?
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>> It was a Saturday,
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Saturday, November 14.
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>> And then they came back
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on Sunday, November 15?
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What time?
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>> Noon. It was noon.
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Dick ate him a late breakfast
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and then he fell asleep.
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Guess you could say
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that was unusual.
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>> It was 'cause of a hunting
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rifle that Richard was first
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sent to prison.
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>> That's his gun.
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Him and his brother go out once
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in a while after rabbits mostly.
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>> All he done was borrow
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a hunting rifle
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from a neighbor's house.
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He had no idea of stealing it
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and it was the ruination of him.
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That penitentiary in Lansing,
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when he came outta there,
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he was a plain stranger to us.
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>> You have any idea where
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your son might have gone?
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>> Open a map,
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point your finger.
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I don't know.
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>> Where are the keys?
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>> Huh?
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>> Dick, where are the keys
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to the car?
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>> What car?
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>> No! [ speaking Spanish ]
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>> You're gone.
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>> No. [ speaking Spanish ]
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>> Not now.
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So where's the money, Dick?
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Where's the money, Dick?
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>> What money?
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>> The money we were gonna get
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for selling that car was gonna
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buy us a boat, Dick.
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It was gonna get us
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to Cocos Island.
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You already sold everything
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we came down here with, Dick!
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I let you get stolen my guitar,
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and you spent it all.
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You don't feel a thing
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about anything, do you?
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You don't know what it's like,
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Dick, to have a guitar as long
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as I had mine and get it stolen.
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Wax it, shine it and put it to
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your voice, you know.
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You'd feel like it was a girl
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you really had some use for
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instead of one of those whores
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you're promising on marrying.
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>> Here.
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You wanna buy a boat, huh?
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Go ahead.
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Buy your damn boat.
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Sail across the Pacific Ocean
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if that's what you wanna do.
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I'm going home,
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back to the old U.S. of A.
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That's right, baby, with or
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without you 'cause there just
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ain't no way I can make
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decent money here.
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>> What about Cocos Island,
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Dick?
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>> Peruvian treasure?
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You can have it, the whole
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enchilada,
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all $6 million.
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The way I figure it, by the time
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you dug it up, it might even
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be worth 10 million.
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Only you'd be 100 years old!
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You still got that 40
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from Kansas, right?
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>> Yeah, I have it.
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Yeah, but that was supposed to
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be our insurance money, Dick,
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a bus ticket, though, right?
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The entire Clutter fortune...
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$40.
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Well, if we're going, let's get
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out of here so we don't have
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to pay for another day
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in this flea pit.
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>> What are you doing?
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>> I'm gonna go to the post
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office to send my stuff back
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to Vegas.
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Why don't you go pawn
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that stuff with Jesus
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across the street?
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Hell, he's got everything else
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we came here with.
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I mean, if we're going north,
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we don't wanna be carrying
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any evidence, do we, Dick?
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And if we get caught,
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we get caught together.
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Isn't that what you said, Dick?
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>> Yeah.
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[ telephone rings ]
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[ ring ]
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[ ring ]
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>> Al Dewey.
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>> Yeah, this is Nye.
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I'm sorry to call you so late.
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>> What's up, Hal?
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>> Just got off the line with
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a buddy of mine from Vegas.
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Had him showing our boys'
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pictures around, checking
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pawn shops.
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>> They're in Vegas?
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>> Might be.
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He got an ID on Smith and the
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address of his rooming house
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from a pawn ticket.
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>> I'm on my way.
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>> See you there.
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>> It's so cold, I wouldn't care
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if this whole place caught fire
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and burned me alive.
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It's a crazy man's stunt, Dick,
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going back to Kansas City
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like this.
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You know, they're gonna get us
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for parole violation
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if nothing else.
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>> It's the only place I'm sure
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I can hang a lot of paper.
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I know we gotta be careful
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on account of they got a warrant
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out for what we hung before.
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So we'll move fast.
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What is it, honey?
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That other deal?
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Why the hell can't you
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just forget it?
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They never made any connection.
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They never will.
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>> You could be wrong, Dick.
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And if you are, it means
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the coroner for both of us.
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>> [ laughs ]
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Comedian. You kill me.
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Take a ride on the big swing?
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Both of us? No way.
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>> Dick, look.
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>> [ laughs ]
00:14:09
>> Good morning, ma'am.
00:14:10
>> Morning.
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>> I'm Special Agent Nye
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and that's Special Agent Dewey.
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>> Ma'am.
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>> Could we ask you
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a few questions?
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>> Sure.
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>> Thank you, ma'am.
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You know him?
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>> Nope. Never seen him.
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Yeah, he's stayed here
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a couple of times.
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He's not here now, though.
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He left weeks ago.
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Wanna check the register?
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There.
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He pulled out November 11.
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>> He say where he was headed?
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>> Nope.
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What do you got
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against him anyway?
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A nice punk like that.
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You oughta heard him talk.
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All these big long words
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coming out of this whispery,
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lispery voice.
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>> He's wanted on a warrant
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for parole violation in Kansas.
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>> Y'all came all the way
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from Kansas on a parole case?
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Well, I'm just a dizzy blonde
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and I believe you,
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but I wouldn't tell that tale
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to a dark-haired woman.
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>> So what did he do
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with himself while he was here?
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>> He tinkered with his car,
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was looking to sell it.
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Just before he left, I heard
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some colored man bought it.
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>> But he never said
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where he was going?
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>> You think I keep an eye on
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every crawly that comes in here?
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I'm not interested.
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I got a daughter
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married big, big.
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>> Nancy Clutter
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was my best friend.
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I can't believe it's been
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three months since she died.
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We planned to go to college
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together.
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We were going to be roommates.
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Nancy loved the river.
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Summer nights, we used to ride
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double on her horse Babe.
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Rode straight to the river
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and right in the water.
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I keep wondering what will ever
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become of Babe.
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I suppose they'll sell her,
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and I think wouldn't Nancy
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have just hated that.
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>> [ yawning ]
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>> Tex Smith?
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>> Over yonder.
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>> You're here about Perry.
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>> Yes, sir.
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We spoke on the phone
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day before yesterday.
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>> Mm-hmm. You are Church.
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Huh. Funny name for a cop.
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I remember. And you are, sir?
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>> Duntz, Carl Duntz, sir.
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>> Good name for a cop.
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>> I appreciate you taking
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the time--
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>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, just sit yourself down.
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No need to be so formal up here.
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Barkeep! Could we have some
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fresh coffee for my friends
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here?
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>> As I told you, we found
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a letter from you among your
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son's possessions in Las Vegas.
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>> That's how we traced you
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here, sir.
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>> Mm-hmm. Where is he now?
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>> That's what we were hoping
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you could tell us, Mr. Smith.
00:18:02
>> Uh, nope. Last address
00:18:06
I have on him is Vegas.
00:18:07
What's he supposed to have done
00:18:09
this time?
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>> Your son is wanted as a
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material witness in connection
00:18:13
with a multiple homicide
00:18:14
in Kansas.
00:18:18
>> You gotta be kidding.
00:18:21
You're thinking Perry's
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a killer?
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>> Sir, the fact is, we're not
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really interested in your boy
00:18:26
for these murders,
00:18:27
but we would like it if you
00:18:29
could help us with a little
00:18:30
information.
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>> So he ain't a suspect
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is what you're telling me.
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>> Not at this moment per se.
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>> Well, per se, did you know
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my boy ain't even allowed to
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set foot in the glorious state
00:18:48
of Kansas or else he's gonna be
00:18:50
incarcerated immediately?
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>> We're aware of the
00:18:53
conditions of your son's parole.
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>> Are you also aware, sir,
00:18:56
that I personally wrote
00:18:57
a 13-page letter entitled
00:19:00
"The History of My Boy's Life,"
00:19:02
which was read into the official
00:19:04
record of the Kansas State
00:19:06
Parole Board?
00:19:07
Are you aware of that, sir?
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>> There's no need to raise
00:19:09
your voice to us, old man.
00:19:11
We're just doing our job.
00:19:12
Now, your boy is no angel,
00:19:14
that's for damn sure, but
00:19:16
that don't make him no killer
00:19:17
neither.
00:19:18
>> Your son's best chance would
00:19:19
be to come forward and help
00:19:20
himself, sir.
00:19:21
>> And you are the one
00:19:23
that has to tell him that, Tex.
00:19:24
You need to impress that on him
00:19:26
as strongly as you possibly can.
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>> I do, huh?
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>> Tex, John Smith married
00:19:34
a Cherokee girl,
00:19:35
Florence Buckskin.
00:19:36
They had a rodeo act
00:19:38
and the kid together.
00:19:39
Did okay until Perry
00:19:41
was about six, and then, quote,
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she took to whiskey
00:19:45
and took the kid and left.
00:19:48
Perry told me later his mother
00:19:49
had soured her soul
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with liquor and men. End quote.
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>> A poet.
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>> She puts the kid
00:19:57
in a Catholic orphanage
00:19:58
in San Francisco
00:19:59
where he almost dies,
00:20:00
but the Lone Wolf comes to the
00:20:01
rescue, takes the kid to Alaska,
00:20:04
where, quote, I taught him
00:20:06
to hunt for gold
00:20:07
in the sandy beds
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of snow water streams.
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Taught him how to use a gun
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and hunt.
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>> Oh, he taught him how to put
00:20:14
a 12-gauge shotgun three inches
00:20:15
from a 16-year-old girl's head
00:20:16
and blow her brains against
00:20:17
the wall.
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Good. Now we know.
00:20:19
>> The kid joins the Merchant
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Marines, signs up for Korea,
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wins the Bronze Star.
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>> God bless America.
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>> All right, Brother Nye,
00:20:28
let's just settle down.
00:20:29
>> No, no. This, if you excuse
00:20:30
the expression, is one big
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circle--
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>> Now wait a minute. There's
00:20:33
some interesting stuff here.
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>> Like what?
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We built us a hunting lodge,
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just me and my son.
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And when we finished,
00:20:41
we danced on the roof.
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'Course, nobody never came.
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It was a big failure.
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Well, that's it.
00:20:49
You boys cracked the case.
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Congratulations.
00:20:52
>> I don't have to stay here
00:20:53
and listen to the king
00:20:54
of the crime busters!
00:20:55
>> Hold on, Carl, hold on.
00:20:56
Now I know we're all
00:20:57
frustrated, so let's just think
00:21:00
about what we got here.
00:21:04
Two boot prints,
00:21:07
a shotgun of the same caliber
00:21:09
as the one used on the Clutters,
00:21:11
fancy knots and the word of
00:21:14
a convicted thief and perjurer.
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Now, we could nab these fellows
00:21:18
tomorrow and never be able
00:21:19
to prove spit.
00:21:20
Without a confession,
00:21:22
we'll never get a conviction.
00:21:23
That's my opinion.
00:23:18
>> What, are you sick, Perry?
00:23:19
Why you hiding out here?
00:23:21
>> You son of a bitch.
00:23:22
Where you been, Dick?
00:23:24
Where you been, Dick?
00:23:26
>> Come on, honey.
00:23:27
You hungry?
00:23:28
We're eating again.
00:23:30
Lunch is served.
00:23:32
I'm sorry.
00:23:35
I knowed if I didn't show up
00:23:37
when I said, you'd get
00:23:38
the bends.
00:23:39
But I was having such a run of
00:23:41
luck, I figured I oughta
00:23:43
let it ride.
00:23:45
Come on, join the picnic.
00:23:47
>> Hey, what happened
00:23:49
to the old plates?
00:23:50
>> It's at the bottom
00:23:51
of the K.C. reservoir.
00:23:53
I got some new ones courtesy
00:23:55
of my former employer,
00:23:56
Markl Motors.
00:24:00
Nobody saw me coming or going.
00:24:02
>> Isn't that stealing?
00:24:03
>> Well, that's the national
00:24:04
pastime, honey,
00:24:06
stealing and cheating.
00:24:07
[ laughs ]
00:24:11
>> Hey, let's go to Vegas.
00:24:13
>> Why, you wanna get that
00:24:14
stuff we sent up from Mexico?
00:24:15
>> Uh-huh.
00:24:17
>> Okay, let's go to Vegas.
00:24:19
Sunshine is sunshine.
00:24:21
>> Ah-ha!
00:24:37
>> And, uh, let's just keep
00:24:39
this between us.
00:24:44
>> So they're broke, right?
00:24:46
They figure a quick trip
00:24:47
to Hickock's back yard.
00:24:48
They steal some plates,
00:24:49
they hang some paper.
00:24:50
>> Hey, not necessarily.
00:24:51
>> Hal, I don't care if Hickock
00:24:52
was the only one ID'd.
00:24:53
These animals stick together.
00:24:55
>> Why?
00:24:56
>> Creatures of habit.
00:24:57
>> Okay.
00:24:59
Means one of two things.
00:25:01
They're still here or they
00:25:02
headed back to Smith's
00:25:03
home turf.
00:25:04
>> Which means?
00:25:05
>> You're on your way to Vegas.
00:26:43
>> Hey, fellas--
00:26:44
>> Hold it right there!
00:26:45
>> Hands behind your back.
00:26:52
>> Okay, we're driving you
00:26:54
to the station.
00:26:55
Come on.
00:27:07
>> Brother Nye.
00:27:08
>> Good to see you, Hal.
00:27:09
>> You, too, my friend.
00:27:10
>> This is Detective John Pike.
00:27:11
He helped me apprehend
00:27:12
our friends.
00:27:13
>> Pleasure to meet you,
00:27:14
Mr. Dewey.
00:27:15
>> Well, thank you, sir.
00:27:16
>> Okay, this way.
00:27:18
Smith's in the room on
00:27:19
the right, Hickock on the left.
00:27:22
>> Now, the name Clutter
00:27:25
has to hit 'em like a hammer.
00:27:26
>> Right between the eyes.
00:27:28
>> Nice and easy,
00:27:29
Brother Nye. Carl?
00:27:46
>> Richard,
00:27:47
I'm Special Agent Nye.
00:27:49
>> Dick. And you are...
00:27:50
>> Agent Church.
00:27:52
>> Sit down.
00:27:56
I know the form.
00:27:57
I've been questioned before.
00:28:00
>> Good. Now, Richard, you been
00:28:02
on at least two big check
00:28:03
sprees in the Kansas City area
00:28:05
since your parole.
00:28:06
>> Uh-huh. Hung quite a few.
00:28:09
>> You think you could give me
00:28:10
a list?
00:28:11
>> Sure I could.
00:28:12
First we hit the clothing shop
00:28:14
in Olathe.
00:28:15
>> Olathe?
00:28:16
>> Yeah, and a camera shop
00:28:17
in Kansas City.
00:28:18
>> A couple of jewelry stores,
00:28:19
but mostly cameras, radios
00:28:21
and TVs.
00:28:23
Easy pickings.
00:28:24
I mean, easy for Dick, that is.
00:28:26
People just like him.
00:28:28
I could never do that on my own.
00:28:33
>> Folks don't trust you, Perry?
00:28:37
>> No.
00:28:39
>> So you got out in August
00:28:41
and you were doing swell
00:28:42
until November.
00:28:44
Then all of a sudden
00:28:45
you start to hang paper.
00:28:47
You wanna tell me what happened
00:28:48
in November, Richard?
00:28:50
>> That'd be a book, sir.
00:28:51
Look, it's all on account
00:28:53
of Perry, if you wanna know
00:28:54
the truth.
00:28:56
He got out before I did.
00:28:57
He wrote me this letter
00:28:59
reminding me about this deal
00:29:00
we used to talk about,
00:29:01
about Mexico.
00:29:03
Perry wrote me that he's got
00:29:04
this sister that lives in
00:29:05
Ft. Scott and she was holding
00:29:07
some heavy change for him.
00:29:08
The idea was to buy us a boat
00:29:11
and take tourists
00:29:12
deep sea fishing.
00:29:14
>> As far as I knew,
00:29:15
she was living in Ft. Scott.
00:29:17
You know, my dad left me the
00:29:18
money which, as I told you, she
00:29:20
was holding for me in Ft. Scott.
00:29:23
My plan was to go there and
00:29:25
collect, but, you know, things
00:29:27
didn't work out like I was
00:29:28
hoping.
00:29:29
>> And when did you leave
00:29:30
for Ft. Scott?
00:29:32
>> Saturday.
00:29:37
>> November 14.
00:29:43
>> And that was on Saturday,
00:29:45
the 14th of November?
00:29:46
>> Well, that's when I found out
00:29:48
she'd moved.
00:29:49
>> Must have been quite a blow
00:29:50
after counting on a big piece
00:29:51
of money.
00:29:52
>> Yeah, because, you know,
00:29:53
we were counting on that money
00:29:54
to go to Mexico.
00:29:55
>> Now when you found out that
00:29:57
Perry's sister didn't live
00:29:58
there anymore, what'd you do
00:29:59
right then?
00:30:00
>> Drove back.
00:30:01
>> [ laughs ]
00:30:02
>> You just went home?
00:30:03
>> Nah, K.C.
00:30:05
We stopped at this little
00:30:07
drive-in, ate burgers,
00:30:09
and then tried Cherry Row.
00:30:12
>> Cherry Row?
00:30:14
>> You don't know Cherry Row?
00:30:16
[ laughs ]
00:30:17
Every cop in Kansas
00:30:19
knows Cherry Row.
00:30:20
It's this stretch of park where
00:30:22
you pick up, you know, mostly
00:30:23
hustlers, but that's not all.
00:30:24
There's plenty of amateurs,
00:30:26
nurses, secretaries.
00:30:28
We ended up with
00:30:29
a pair of rollers.
00:30:31
They were sisters, I think.
00:30:33
>> Do you remember their names,
00:30:35
by any chance?
00:30:36
>> Thank you. I never asked.
00:30:39
>> You spend the night
00:30:40
with two girls and you never
00:30:41
asked their names?
00:30:43
>> They were just whores.
00:30:46
>> Name of the motel, then.
00:30:48
Do you remember the name
00:30:49
of the motel?
00:30:50
>> Uh...
00:30:54
Ask Dick. He'll know.
00:30:56
I never remember junk like that.
00:30:58
>> So we took 'em to Fun Haven.
00:30:59
It's on Blue Ridge Road.
00:31:02
It's 10 bucks for the keys
00:31:04
to one of them cabins.
00:31:05
Next morning, we woke up
00:31:07
and they rolled us and beat it.
00:31:10
Perry lost his wallet,
00:31:11
40, 50 bucks.
00:31:13
>> You notify the police?
00:31:14
>> [ laughs ] Notify the police.
00:31:16
Both of us on parole, not
00:31:19
allowed to drink or associate
00:31:21
with another grad
00:31:22
or prostitutes?
00:31:25
We had some breakfast and then
00:31:26
I drove him back to his hotel
00:31:27
in Olathe.
00:31:29
>> Perry, how far is Ft. Scott
00:31:32
from Kansas City?
00:31:33
>> Oh, I couldn't say.
00:31:35
>> Well, how long did it take
00:31:36
you to drive there then?
00:31:38
>> Can't remember.
00:31:39
>> Of course you can't,
00:31:42
'cause you've never in your life
00:31:43
been to Ft. Scott, have you?
00:31:46
Now the fact is, nothing you've
00:31:50
told us is true, is it, Perry?
00:31:52
>> How much did you haul in?
00:31:54
I mean, what would you say,
00:31:55
before you went to Mexico?
00:31:57
>> A couple of Gs.
00:31:59
[ all laugh ]
00:32:04
>> You know what I don't
00:32:05
understand, Dick?
00:32:06
Why do these people
00:32:08
accept your checks?
00:32:09
What's the secret?
00:32:11
>> The secret is people
00:32:13
are dumb.
00:32:14
That's the secret. [ laughs ]
00:32:28
>> Guess you know
00:32:29
why we're here.
00:32:30
>> Oh, sure, he knows
00:32:32
why we're here.
00:32:33
He realized that we wouldn't
00:32:34
come all the way to Nevada just
00:32:35
to have a chat with a couple of
00:32:36
two-bit check chiselers.
00:32:38
>> What?
00:32:39
>> Who'd come all this way
00:32:40
just to talk about
00:32:41
a bunch of hung paper,
00:32:42
a bunch of bounced checks?
00:32:43
>> Can't think of any other
00:32:44
reason.
00:32:45
>> I think it's time
00:32:46
we straighten Perry out,
00:32:47
don't you, Mr. Duntz?
00:32:50
>> Yes, sir.
00:32:53
It's about time.
00:32:57
>> Now you listen good, Perry,
00:32:59
'cause Mr. Duntz is gonna
00:33:01
tell you where you really were
00:33:02
that Saturday, November 14,
00:33:04
where you were
00:33:06
and what you were doing.
00:33:08
>> You ever heard of
00:33:09
the Clutter murder case?
00:33:18
>> Whoa.
00:33:20
Now hold on here.
00:33:22
I ain't no damn killer.
00:33:27
>> You were out there
00:33:28
in Holcomb, Kansas in the home
00:33:30
of Mr. Herbert Clutter.
00:33:31
And before you left that house,
00:33:33
you killed all the people in it.
00:33:36
>> Never. I never.
00:33:39
>> Never what?
00:33:40
>> I never knew anybody
00:33:42
by that name, Clutter.
00:33:44
>> We have a living witness,
00:33:46
Perry, someone you overlooked.
00:33:48
>> Living witness?
00:33:52
Can't be!
00:33:53
>> Why? Because you thought
00:33:55
you got rid of everyone?
00:33:56
>> There ain't nobody can
00:33:57
connect me to any damn murder.
00:34:00
Bad checks,
00:34:01
little petty thievery.
00:34:03
I ain't no damn killer.
00:34:07
>> Would you take off
00:34:08
your boot for me, Richard?
00:34:28
Now, this is a one-to-one
00:34:30
reproduction of certain
00:34:32
footprints found on the dusty
00:34:33
floor near Mr. Clutter's body.
00:34:38
Perfect match.
00:34:44
Now, your buddy Smith,
00:34:46
he was even more careless.
00:34:48
We got his boots, too,
00:34:49
and they exactly fit another
00:34:50
set of prints in blood.
00:34:53
Bloody boot prints,
00:34:56
just like a signature.
00:34:58
You boys signed your work.
00:35:01
Look at me, Hickock.
00:35:06
Look at me.
00:35:10
Now I'm gonna tell you
00:35:11
what's gonna happen to you.
00:35:13
You'll be taken back to Kansas
00:35:14
and you'll be charged with four
00:35:16
counts of first degree murder.
00:35:18
Count one, that on or about
00:35:20
the 15th day of November, you
00:35:21
did knowingly and willingly--
00:35:22
>> Perry Smith
00:35:23
killed the Clutters.
00:35:25
It was Perry.
00:35:30
I tried to stop him.
00:35:34
He killed 'em all.
00:35:45
>> You got any aspirin?
00:35:48
They took away my aspirin.
00:36:00
>> Is he okay?
00:36:02
>> Yeah, she just fainted.
00:36:07
Come on, Hickock.
00:36:08
Come on, come on.
00:36:13
>> Where am I?
00:36:50
>> Thanks.
00:36:53
>> Your friend Hickock,
00:36:55
he wouldn't harm the fleas
00:36:57
on a dog, he says.
00:36:59
But he says
00:37:00
you're a natural killer.
00:37:05
Says you whipped a colored man
00:37:09
to death in Vegas just for fun.
00:37:23
>> Ha. The tough boy.
00:37:33
Thought you guys were pulling
00:37:34
a stunt, you know.
00:37:36
I didn't believe you that Dick
00:37:38
would spill his guts like that.
00:37:50
Okay.
00:37:53
I'll tell you what happened.
00:38:46
>> I'm sorry.
00:38:47
I need you to lie down.
00:38:51
Okay, would you turn over
00:38:53
for me, please?
00:38:57
Okay, put your hands
00:38:58
behind your back, please.
00:39:03
So you like horses?
00:39:05
>> Yes.
00:39:08
Do you like horses?
00:39:10
>> Oh, yeah.
00:39:11
My mother was a champ
00:39:12
rodeo rider.
00:39:13
>> Where did she ride?
00:39:16
>> All over.
00:39:17
Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada, Utah.
00:39:25
She was part Cherokee.
00:39:29
So you play the clarinet?
00:39:32
>> Yeah. Not very well,
00:39:35
I'm afraid.
00:39:36
>> That's all right.
00:39:37
That's all right.
00:39:39
You just keep playing.
00:39:43
I play the guitar.
00:39:45
Taught myself.
00:39:47
Doing that, I just got
00:39:49
kind of good, you know.
00:39:51
Yeah, you will, too.
00:39:59
Don't worry.
00:40:04
We'll be gone soon.
00:40:25
>> Let's go!
00:40:27
Come on!
00:40:34
Basement.
00:40:53
Go on.
00:40:56
Sit down. Sit down here.
00:40:59
Lie down.
00:41:20
Get him in there.
00:41:21
>> Come on.
00:41:28
>> Let's go.
00:41:36
>> Don't move.
00:41:57
>> Sit down. Sit down.
00:42:12
>> I'm gonna ask you to please
00:42:14
leave my wife alone, young man.
00:42:16
She's been sick for years.
00:42:19
She's just now beginning
00:42:21
to improve.
00:43:18
>> Well, Dick?
00:43:20
Any qualms?
00:43:37
Give me the knife.
00:43:52
All right.
00:43:55
Here goes.
00:44:08
>> My wife. Is she all right?
00:44:12
>> She's fine.
00:44:13
She ready to go to sleep.
00:44:15
Pretty soon, it'll be morning.
00:44:17
Somebody'll find you all
00:44:19
and all of this, me and Dick,
00:44:21
will seem like
00:44:22
something you dreamed.
00:44:25
Oh!
00:44:57
Here. You finish him,
00:44:58
tough boy.
00:44:59
You'll feel better.
00:45:22
[ gunshot ]
00:46:02
>> No! Oh, please, no!
00:46:05
[ screaming ]
00:46:09
[ gunshot ]
00:46:17
[ footsteps ]
00:46:33
>> He said it over and over.
00:46:35
He drummed it into me.
00:46:37
No witnesses.
00:46:39
Well, I said you gotta shoot
00:46:41
the daughter and Mrs. Clutter,
00:46:42
'cause I don't kill any women.
00:46:48
So he did.
00:46:55
I thought I could make him
00:46:56
argue me out of it, you know,
00:46:57
make him admit he was a phony,
00:46:59
a coward.
00:47:02
See, it was something
00:47:05
between him and me.
00:47:18
That's what you meant
00:47:19
by a living witness.
00:47:21
Dick.
00:47:43
>> Hickock?
00:47:47
>> Yeah?
00:47:48
>> How's it feel, Hickock?
00:47:54
>> Floyd, is that you,
00:47:56
you lying son of a bitch?
00:47:57
>> Hey, what you think
00:47:58
they gonna do to you now?
00:48:01
>> Nothing.
00:48:04
I'm gonna bust out of here.
00:48:06
I'm gonna grab a car
00:48:08
and raise some dust.
00:48:09
>> Uh-huh.
00:48:10
After your mama testifies
00:48:12
or before?
00:48:14
>> They took my boy Richard
00:48:17
when he was a pup and they
00:48:18
threw him in a cage with these
00:48:21
wild animals and they tormented
00:48:23
him until he became
00:48:27
as mean as they were.
00:48:31
Then they just threw him
00:48:33
in the world.
00:48:36
But it seems like people
00:48:39
are looking at me and thinking,
00:48:42
well, she must be to blame
00:48:44
somehow, and maybe I did
00:48:48
something wrong.
00:48:49
Only I don't know
00:48:52
what it could have been.
00:48:54
We're plain people, just
00:48:56
country people, getting along
00:48:59
the same as everybody,
00:49:00
and I can't make excuses
00:49:04
for what he did.
00:49:09
I'm not forgetting that family.
00:49:12
I pray for them every night,
00:49:16
but I pray for Richard, too,
00:49:19
and that boy Perry.
00:49:23
I got nothing but pity
00:49:24
for him now.
00:49:36
>> Hello, Perry.
00:49:37
>> Mr. Dewey.
00:49:47
Hey, thanks for coming.
00:49:51
There's something
00:49:53
I needed to tell you.
00:49:54
See...
00:49:58
I lied to you about
00:50:00
a couple details and I'd like
00:50:02
to correct 'em.
00:50:06
>> All right.
00:50:08
>> You know, I wanted to fix
00:50:09
Dick for being such a coward
00:50:12
and dropping his guts all over
00:50:13
the floor, but I don't have
00:50:18
anything against his family.
00:50:19
And his mother,
00:50:21
she's a real sweet person, and,
00:50:23
well, I think it might be some
00:50:25
comfort to her to know that
00:50:27
Dick did not pull the trigger.
00:50:30
I'm the one who killed all
00:50:31
of 'em, but they never hurt me
00:50:36
like some people,
00:50:38
like people have all my life.
00:50:40
I guess the Clutters had to be
00:50:42
the one to pay for it.
00:50:43
>> Well, I'll make sure I talk
00:50:47
to Mr. and Mrs. Hickock
00:50:48
and tell them what you say.
00:50:52
>> Mr. Dewey...
00:50:56
I'm not scared.
00:51:02
You know, I died once already
00:51:05
in Alaska.
00:51:09
>> How do you mean?
00:51:10
>> Well, you know, when our
00:51:12
lodge went bust, my dad pulled
00:51:14
a gun on me.
00:51:16
It was just the two of us
00:51:17
living this big failure
00:51:20
and he blamed me.
00:51:22
He said I was a greedy,
00:51:24
selfish bastard and I should
00:51:25
just get the hell out.
00:51:28
>> He pulled a gun on you?
00:51:30
>> Oh, yeah.
00:51:31
My hands, they grabbed
00:51:33
his throat and they just wanted
00:51:34
to choke him to death.
00:51:36
But, you know, Dad,
00:51:38
he's a slippery one, and
00:51:40
he tore loose and he grabbed
00:51:41
his gun and he pointed it at me
00:51:43
and he said, "Look at me.
00:51:45
"I'm the last living soul
00:51:47
you're ever gonna see."
00:51:49
Well, I stood my ground
00:51:52
and he pulled the trigger.
00:51:55
See, he was so messed up,
00:51:59
he forgot to load it.
00:52:02
So I just left.
00:52:06
I walked till it was night
00:52:08
and when I got back, everything
00:52:11
I owned was lying out there
00:52:12
in the snow.
00:52:15
Mr. Dewey...
00:52:20
are you gonna be there?
00:52:24
>> Yeah.
00:52:32
>> Mr. Dewey...
00:52:44
I'm so ashamed.
00:53:36
>> Any kin of the Clutters
00:53:38
present?
00:53:39
>> No.
00:53:40
You have heard
00:53:41
the order of execution,
00:53:42
Richard Eugene Hickock.
00:53:44
Do you have any last statement
00:53:45
to make?
00:53:46
>> Yes, sir.
00:53:48
>> Okay.
00:53:59
>> Just wanna say that I don't
00:54:00
have any hard feelings.
00:54:03
You're sending me to a better
00:54:05
place than this ever was.
00:54:13
Mr. Nye.
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Mr. Church.
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Mr. Duntz.
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Nice to see you, Mr. Dewey.
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>> Okay.
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>> Our Father, who art in
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heaven, hallowed be Thy name.
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Thy kingdom come, thy will
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be done on earth
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as it is in heaven.
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Give us this day our daily
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bread and forgive us our
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trespasses as we forgive those
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who trespass against us.
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And lead us not into
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temptation, but deliver us from
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evil, for thine is the kingdom
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and the power and the glory
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forever and ever.
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Amen.
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The Lord giveth and the Lord
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taketh away.
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Blessed be the name of the Lord.
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May the Lord have mercy
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on your soul.
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>> Not necessarily capable
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of murder individually,
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together the two men formed
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a third homicidal personality.
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The crime was a psychological
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accident, a twist of fate,
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virtually an impersonal act.
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The victims might as well
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have been killed by lightning.
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[ sigh ] This is just junk.
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I'm just so glad it's over.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I think it's a hell of
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a thing to take a life
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in this manner.
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Maybe I had something
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to contribute, something.
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It would be meaningless for me
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to apologize,
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even inappropriate,
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but I do.
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I apologize.
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>> Our Father, who art
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in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
00:57:23
Thy kingdom come, thy will
00:57:26
be done on earth
00:57:27
as it is in heaven.
00:57:29
Give us this day our daily
00:57:31
bread, forgive us our
00:57:32
trespasses as we forgive them
00:57:34
who trespass against us.
00:57:36
And lead us not into
00:57:37
temptation, but deliver us
00:57:39
from evil.
00:57:40
For thine is the kingdom
00:57:42
and the power and the glory
00:57:46
forever and ever.
00:57:48
Amen.
00:57:56
The Lord giveth and the Lord
00:57:57
taketh away.
00:57:59
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
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May the Lord have mercy
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on your soul.
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>> ♪ There's a race of men ♪
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♪ Who don't fit in ♪
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♪ Their spirits ♪
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♪ Can't sit still ♪
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♪ They break the hearts ♪
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♪ Of all they can ♪
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♪ And roam the world at will ♪
00:59:33
♪ They range the field ♪
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♪ They row the flood ♪
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♪ And climb ♪
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♪ The mountain's crest ♪
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♪ 'Cause they got the curse ♪
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♪ Of the gypsy's blood ♪
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♪ And don't know how to rest ♪
