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well welcome back another week another ex- homeschoolers Club that's right it's
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your boy Jacob Gooden and uh we're back the best ex- homeschooler pod this side
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of the internet uh I am joined today by a new homeschool friend uh Jive janev jev janev I we literally just talked
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about this and I still messed it up okay jev um okay I'm it's it's in
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there now okay but janev first of all welcome to the exom scho club yeah I'm
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happy to be here thank you we got connected because you just launched your podcast called homeschooled uh and it's
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a uh what's the tagline it's an alumni oh conversations with alumni conversations with alumni and um I we
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just recorded I'm gonna be on your show and you know it's only fair you know uh
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to have you on mine but it's been so cool to connect with you and and learn your homeschool experience and I'm I'm
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excited to share it with the audience today it really mimics a lot of like my homeschool experience so I think it's
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gonna be fun to kind of go back and forth on it a little bit but yeah with that said I'm gonna I'm gonna turn the
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floor over to you give us a little bit of like the you know set the stage here for us like your homeschool experience
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when were you homeschooled siblings Family Life curriculum whatever you feel like you want to share all right well um
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I the thing I usually lead with is that I have four younger siblings some the oldest of four so big family I think
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just Paints the picture right there a little bit um so we're all at home we lived in North Jersey uh my dad was
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working in the city uh full-time so my mom kind of took it all on herself um but I was homeschooled from sometime in
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the middle first grade through high school um so that was I I went for it one one of the high schooled
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the homeschoolers that went through high school too um and then went to college but uh my homeschool life I have to say
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was pretty like it's pretty exciting like no day was the same um which think
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there's a lot of uh Beauty in that and also a lot of chaos so um just what comes with being in a huge family and
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just a lot going on but uh I I really liked it I'm a pretty like self-motivated person and I think
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enjoyed having that control over my schedule um yeah man I could just rant forever but I'm trying to think of some
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like poyant things to say um my mom's style and mine definitely like collided a bit because
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she's just more free flowing and you know see where the day takes us kind of
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vibe and I liked having a checklist like having a schedule there's a lot of the
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time where I would I just like when I needed structure I created it myself for myself you know um and that worked for
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me a lot of the time but there I'd be lying if I said I I didn't wish sometimes that I was like in a in a
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school that was organized and and stuff like that um no I think that's like that's a great like jumping off point to
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be honest and like yeah I totally my my mom is also a very I'm like you I have
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that firstborn like need for organization I have a gigantic checklist that's right next to me sitting on my
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desk right here I have my notion built out for my second brain like I yeah I just like I'm that type of person um and
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yeah and I'm married to somebody who is much more like your mom where it's like
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that free flowing go with the flow just be open to whatever the world has to show us that day um and so for whatever
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reason the universe puts those type of people together um andt hopefully to balance each other out so uh thankfully
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I had a mom who also was kind of like rigorously structured like I was um probably to a fault but uh but uh but I
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have a sister who's that free flowing spirit so one of the things that we chatted about and what we connected on
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previously in in chatting was uh that you also so you grew up in New Jersey and you also were part of like a big
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homeschool community and we a m and so our lives just kind of like parallel each other in that way so because I was
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a part of achieve and and group Solutions and some of those other associations on the west coast so tell
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me a little bit about those and like what that looked like and how that played a role homeo experience we did a
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lot of extracurricular things um in general my mom was all about the activities and just really wanted us to
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experience as much as possible um whether that was in a homes School group or elsewhere um it was in like a story
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about like Debate Club at some point that I really didn't want to do but um anyways but yeah a big part of my
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homeschool experience was a focus on the Arts in general like very music oriented
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drama um I was part of choir and in New Jersey there the organization there the largest one I know of is njhsa which is
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the um North Jersey homeschoolers Association and that under that umbrella had a bunch of these separate kind of
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chapters of homeschooling um which included co-ops groups all those kinds of things little like mini hubs of
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community um and while like we didn't focus on the co-op element like as much
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as some other homeschool families did like I knew people that used Co-op as like the anchor for their academics
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right um we were more like using Co-op as our uh like an additional social outlet to be honest I think that was
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more of what it was for my mom um so that was cool but yeah choir and mime and drama like mime was kind of
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intertwined in my drama experience um it was very it was very like uh uh driven by like like religious smime it was not
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just like for fun necessar same yeah so I you know it's funny because while I look back on it and I'm like man
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that's so weird like just so weird when I it did I did feel like I learned a lot
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about just like even spirituality like Concepts and what being connected to your faith could look like not always
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mine but like just I don't know it's it's some it's a very obviously unique
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way to like share what we believe in through mime which is so weird but as a kid I think it was helpful for me in a
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weird way yeah it's really the first time I'm thinking of that like that but
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no I I I totally agree with you I think it was yeah it was a situation for like my people and and I don't know I
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don't know about your group my group we also like we did Bible study as a part
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of it and then also like there's the Outreach aspect of like we were performing at youth groups and for drama
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centers and um I mean we also did like veteran stuff too but a lot of the Christmas story was like a big part of
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what we did you know and and that kind of thing and telling that story and so as someone who yeah was growing up a
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young Christian it was very important to kind of have that aspect of it and I sometimes forget that like oh that's
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like you know being on Mission now I look back on it and I I cringe at some of the stuff but you know at the same
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time it's like you know and and if you're listening and you're like what
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are they talking about like go look up Hop On YouTube look up life house uh every Everything by life house like skit
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or something like that that is a great example of like the type of stuff we were doing to all types of different
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music and songs and stuff but you know yeah an interesting time for sure yeah I mean and I should I should include that
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like and I don't know if this was I would imagine it was like pretty unique to our Homeschool Group but um so we had
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in in like the high school program with choir and mime there was like mime was kind of the the base level of the drama
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group and there were these like Elite groups kind of like uh in choirs you know how you have Corral or like special
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ensembles right we had that sort of thing for drama and one of those was this like traveling um acting group that
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would perform like in blackbox theater The Life of Christ in a show so okay and we yeah
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like I did I auditioned for that that was like the height of drama like in high school was like if you get into
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that like that's legit and uh it was such a unique experience I could talk about that for an entire episode but
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anyway we toured we went to Ireland for a tour and we toured in parts of we actually went to California for a little
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bit and also like randomly just churches in the midwest just same kind of thing like perform we we would perform their
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like you know official like hourlong performance or whatever and then we would teach mimes to like the youth
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groups or whatever um yeah super super to say the least yeah yeah no we we I remember we did we did similar stuff and
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we would travel and I mean we didn't go very far I think we mostly stayed in the
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state but but yeah like the the yeah the coaching and like yeah going to a youth
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group and then teaching them like oh here's how like you do the box and then
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like how you like pretend to like throw a ball to each other and stuff um it was
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just so it's so weird it's so weird to look back on and I laugh and um yeah I
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think I've successfully pretty much wiped the internet of all photos of me from that um nice thankfully um so yeah
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those are not going to be coming back up anytime soon but so you so it's tied in
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with your drama and choir did you guys do other drama stuff as well like was there theater and plays involved in
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that you would think but uh so we actually did like as far as theater was concerned we did like my family would do
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Community Theater like in town um and then we'd also our church had their own
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sort of like Arts like extracurricular thing that they would do actually now I'm wondering
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like what the what was that affiliated with because it was at our church but I don't really it could have been a
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Homeschool Group thing I'm not totally sure about that but um yeah we did plays
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like that kind of thing there but primarily my theater experience was um actually doing Off Broadway Productions
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in New York um when I was really young my Drama teacher in my Homeschool Group like the the director of all of those
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programs uh actually before I was even in her groups at all she was like a friend of my mom's and she came over and
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I guess she told my mom she was like janev is really good at storytelling and I was like I don't know 12 at the time
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or something and she's like you should get her plugged in to um acting stuff my
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mom's like okay and so she recommended um at the time it was the Salvation Army
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theater in New York in Time Square and uh there was a kids program that was affiliated with um ppas which is the
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professional performing arts school in New York that was like a high school that was just really like performance
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focused um anyway so it's like with those kids that go to that school you could go audition at the Salvation Army
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theater um so my first production I think I was in was susal Jr but um yeah and I went on to do like several plays
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with them and it was like a summer program that's really where I think I got my um you know more like the theater
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people know about musicals and plays and actual full-on Productions was there yeah my my one of my best friends
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growing up then he his family would do backyard we did Summer backyard Productions and they had they had a
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circular driveway and in the middle of the driveway we'd build a stage and do
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these crazy Productions and so like the first one I ever remember was just like Sleeping Beauty like Disney and then uh
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when their oldest daughter graduated like it was a big deal she was like I want to do Beauty and the Beast and it
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was like the first real like legit like we didn't just buy shower curtains and
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paint them and hang them up as the backdrop like it was like we have like a full set and lights and sound and like
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it was intense I remember like watching it back now I'm like okay yeah it's
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still like really cringey and very like unprofessional but it was at the time it
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was like incredible and and that was kind of what gave a lot of us that that theater theater bug and and you know a
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lot of us pursued creative passions so I mean theater was just like right there along with whether it was music or art
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or anything it was just like right there in that in that vein and so yeah so I totally uh relate to you in that that
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aspect of just like theater being like I think just arts in general was just like
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a normal thing and then it was just like a big part as well of our of Our Lives totally yeah let's jump forward just a
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little bit because I know you you also went to school for theater stuff is that correct uh oh yeah yeah I studied um
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well I I got in for stage management at the University of Evansville in Indiana so that they were one of the few
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colleges that had a Bachelor of Science Program in the theater industry um because most colleges when you go and
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you say you want to do theater they're like okay you're going to do performance
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for two years and basically get a communications degree and then you'll do like a few other theater things for the
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remainder two years or something and I was like no I want to do like stage management all the way like yeah just
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like I was like I've done enough of this acting thing in high school I gotta like
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you know get into the serious business backend stuff you know um and that was that was something that they focused on
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and they they had an amazing program for that but um I ended up switching to theater manager instead of stage
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management subtle differences there but um yeah switched to theater management and so I graduated with a degree in
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theater management with a minor in Business Administration so very very on the nerdy nerdy busy side but no that's
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that's totally fine I mean I went to college initially kind of with like more
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performance in mind I wanted to like be a musician or be an audio engineer and then I switched to the business side as
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well I was like you know you know I think once you hear like sometimes how much those people make um you know even
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at like 18 19 I was like that's not enough money to live on and I was like but the business people they're rolling
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in it um so let's like yeah let's you know also like it's a business degree so
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I can walk away and still do other things if need be but I hope this is in a sore spot but
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like did you end up using that degree like did you work in in theater out of that yeah yeah no it's not a not a sore
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spot I I worked um in at a Broadway production office or producing office um in Time Square for about a year um after
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I graduated and it was it was a lot it was it was a lot um I I learned a lot about
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myself through that experience and I think I you know through my journey in college kind of and then going to that
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job which was like the best job like a recent graduate with a theater management degree could possibly get
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like I was really really um you know grateful to have had that job um I just learned like man like this is not really
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quite why I love theater I think I realized through that experience that what I really loved about theater was
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like Child Development and how how beneficial it was for me as a kid to learn performance and to like you know
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just find myself and my own skin and get comfortable in front of crowds and just
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build confidence overall and you know where I was working was like just totally on the opposite like opposite
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end of the spectrum where you're like shmoozing to you know investors for the
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play and you're like going to fancy parties and you know managing people's
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schedules and it was just another world totally Another World um yeah so really Greatful to have experienced that but
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yeah I had a definitely a sou searching moment and ended up pursuing like graphic design um after that so left
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left that but yeah yeah no I think you brought up a good point there of like the passions thing and like why we get
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into certain things and then like you know sometimes there there's like a pivot in there too of like just kind of
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like you know maybe this isn't why I wanted to do it you know and like and that kind of thing and I think that's uh
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it's a tough one I think sometimes to deal with and like wrestle with is just
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that like this thing that was is like a creative Outlet or something that you know shaped me then now is like your job
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or it pivots into like like you said like it pivoted from you were really into understanding how performance had
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shaped you into a person and kind of like given you your own voice to then like okay now I'm smoing at a party just
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trying to get investors to like you know pay our bills essentially like that's a
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very big pivot there and so but I think that's cool it's cool to also recognize
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that within yourself and say okay like this isn't really why I wanted to do that so yeah it was it was rough um
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although you know I will say that my my parents like my dad specifically really drove home this point growing up like
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he's like you're not he he literally told me he's like you're not going to
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end up doing what you go to college for you're just not I was like what do you
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mean like what are you talking about he's like it's just not going to happen
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like everybody Chang like everybody all these any successful person like they say they started one thing and they
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ended up like took this windy pass to a totally different career um and so I I wasn't like I guess it was concerning to
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a degree because you're like you are having this personal experience of like
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wow I guess I'm not into this you know but at the same time I did have this piece about it that like this is okay
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because this is what's like supposed to happen or this happens to a lot of people or I'm GNA find something else
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it's not like oh my gosh I wasted like four years of my life like you're going
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to use what I learned how I learned it in something else regardless so yeah yeah I think that's a good shaping too
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of like thinking about your college experience because I think there's a lot
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of people right now who kind of make the argument of like college is so unnecessary and nobody should go to
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college and it's a waste of time and a waste of money and that's yeah yes and
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no right like it's it's I think it's a it's a shaping moment in your life of
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like some people need it to like grow up and yeah it can be a really expensive lesson but but it like it's like at the
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same time it prep it can prepare you for like later in life not everybody needs that some people it's trade school some
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people it's just getting a job right out of the bat but um I think that's a cool
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kind of frame to have on it of like hey it was like kind of a necessary piece to
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the path to get where you are today yeah and I I think for me especially College was important to
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have those like to overcome some like inpersonal hurdles that you normally probably would
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get in a in a school experience with a lot of different kinds of people um that you don't always get when you're
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homeschooled I think in college dealing with things like you know fights with roommates you know or whatever like
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living with people um like uh I was I was a part of an AC capella group in college and I had to like fire a girl
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from that group like there was just there were things that happened that were difficult for me in college and
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those things that aren't really just like academics or you know oh you're
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dorming or oh you're far away from home like yeah yeah yeah but like there's
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these other little little lessons and these weird little pockets of my college experience that I think really helped me
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just become just feel more comfortable in in myself I mean I always felt pretty conf confident in myself but I think
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like giving me that okay I can do this on my own and I can have these hard conversations and and you know get
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through it okay and and make good friends and stick with them for like you know the college experience and stuff so
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that's cool that's cool yeah I think college again is one of those things
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where I think a lot of homeschool maybe less so now but I definitely know like growing up College was like this kind
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of almost unachievable thing it felt like for homeschoolers where it was like how how are you going to make this
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happen when like you arguably don't have a education um which is but it's
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yeah I don't know if you had that experience too of just like I there were so many people I saw in my life who were
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just like oh well like how are you gonna get into college and how are you gonna do this like I'm so thankful I had
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parents who were like if that's what you want like we're gonna make it happen you
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know we're gonna figure it out together and like I got into every school I applied for because it was just like
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that's awesome that's just what we did we figured it out you know and I'm not a
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genius so like if I could do it like you know I I'm the average Joe over here
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like I you know if I can do it I think so many more people can can do it if if that's the path they want to go down but
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did you have anything like that did you have voices like that in your head or or
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in your life that were kind of like maybe pushing that Narrative of like how are you going to do this you
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know this is this is kind of sad but honestly like if I ever had that feeling it was from like members of my extended
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family um that was like a Common Thread in my schooling that like just the rest of our extended family was like very
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skeptical of the choices that my parents were making to homeschool us um so there
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was that it there was doubt around but it wasn't the predominant voice and I
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think in a in a way that those people that were like concerned worried or something just kind of motivated me to
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get it done you know like no I can do this like um yeah but I I will say like my parents were very like really
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supportive with the college like experience my mom especially like I mean she we went on a trip I I was it's so
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funny actually now that I'm talking to you like all of the ties with like California because I really wanted to go
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to school in California so badly and so my mom like I just like California was like oh it's just like fun and like
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Sunny like and you know beaches like I don't know I was just so enamored with
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it and um uh so my mom was like well let's go like let's go to California and
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like go on a bunch of college tours I went to um like a Biola University like like orientation like week that was so
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fun made such cool friends there and like went to a bunch of schools and ended up going to Indiana school so yeah
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just really funny but yeah my mom was always really supportive and so was my dad and there was just not it was a
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different kind of uh push though I guess it didn't feel like pressure it wasn't like you like
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have to go to college or you have to do well or you got to be super smart or we want you to you know I don't know uh
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graduate with flying colors you know but um I do remember my dad being like he just he's like look I I don't I know you
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don't need a degree to be smart but the truth is and this is true for when he
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was in the workforce it was like having a degree did give you a leg up in a lot of situations and he's like I just want
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you to have the tool it's like it's just a tool you know for your for your future
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he's like I don't really see this as the end all Beall to determine your
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intelligence or anything like that it was just like the degree will help you and that was pretty much it so they
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didn't really care what I went for I mean I went for theater so they weren't
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like being picky about that they were really supportive of what I was interested in
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and yeah I don't know if that answers your your question it really does you know what's funny too is you talked
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about like I don't know why this stuck out to me so much but you talked about
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like the being wanting to maybe go to school in California and being kind of a like the beach and stuff my dad was from
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the Midwest and he moved to California to go to college and then just got stuck in California was just like I love that
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but he moved that same reason where he was like I want to be by the beach I want to get a tan he was just like I
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don't want the cold anymore like that kind of a thing so when it came to me going to college it was funny because
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originally I was like I'm not leaving the state of California and then it was
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like I'm not leaving the west coast and then it was like okay maybe I'm not not
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leaving like the west side of the country and then it was like okay I'm moving to Illinois and that first real
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big cold snap of the Year where everything froze and I had to walk to class and I slipped on ice and I like
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cut my hand open and I was just like sitting on the ground and I was just like in the snow like bleeding and
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Frozen and I was just like I hate my life right now like what am I doing yeah um but I I end I do love the Midwest
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like it's not you know that's not the on the Midwest I do love it I like
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but it's it's so funny to me that I was like I'm so determined this is what it's
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going to be and then like like your point I just ended up where I just didn't want to go kind of a deal like
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just that's where that's where it just settled out to um yeah so yeah there's something kind
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of I don't know there's something kind of fun about it too where it's just I I
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think I'm glad I went to school where I went to school also because it gave me P
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the perception of like this is what a different part of the country was like and having grown up exclusively in
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California I don't know if you grew up exclusively in New Jersey but like it
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gave me my first touch of like this is the outside world and like not just this is not me living at home but this is
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like a different state this is a different part of the country altogether and it gave me a lot more confidence to
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then after be like I can move anywhere I want and be okay yeah yeah I think the whole like being away from
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home thing is an interesting one in the homeschool Community I mean you mentioned this about like your friends
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kind of like or well sorry you didn't mention that in this podcast that's okay we just got done recording
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my intervie on your show yeah no we are all good so if you want to hear that part of the conversation you're gonna
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have to tune in to homeschooled uh there you go that that was my teaser my teaser
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plug um no but I think there as I definitely had a feeling of like I feel like I'm like
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abandoning my life that that did come up when I was like thinking about leaving for college um and then but I also had
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really supportive friends that were just like that's so cool like that you're
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going away like good for you or I think the weird side of that is always like the the statement after that is always
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like I could never and then you want to be like yes you could like yeah you you can actually um but anyway uh yeah but
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really like feeling like I I could be okay wherever you are like in proximity to your home and stuff like that was um
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I didn't I didn't struggle with that as much because I had some experiences
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earlier like preh high school where my like my parents sent me to France like with one of their family friends and I
00:28:42
was by myself as a kid and my dad like also helped like me take a bus into the city when I was 12 like by myself you
00:28:51
know um there's a lot of moments like that where you're just like okay this is
00:28:56
a little scary I'm somewhere I'm not used to but I'm I'm going to be okay and
00:29:01
when you end up okay like when you're building that confidence over like some
00:29:05
even those small experiences excuse me I think going to college and being away from home was like no big deal to me
00:29:13
eventually because I was just like cool but it was a culture shock for sure the Midwest from from New Jersey it's a
00:29:22
different flavor that's for sure um yeah yeah no love the Midwest yeah still
00:29:27
unsure if I whatever moov back there but yeah it's it's a culture shock let's say
00:29:31
that um you brought up going to France that's super cool was that obviously you went
00:29:39
it sounds like with family or did you go I'm sorry no no it's okay yeah it's a little
00:29:47
weird but my my parents had good friends um I I'm actually not sure where they
00:29:54
met but anyway they were just friends in our family friends in our life who were
00:29:58
um from France like originally and moved to New York worked in New York um had like a best friend when I was a kid and
00:30:06
we would always hang out and you know do Playhouse and stuff like that um and we
00:30:10
would actually record like little movies on our like dad's camcs and stuff like
00:30:15
that it was fun but yeah so we had like this close like family friendship and they had um uh friends in France that
00:30:25
had another girl like our age like um her name was Eloise which is like very so funny it's like so stereotypical like
00:30:32
I went to visit my friend Eloise in France um but yeah um to be honest I have to ask my parents like where this
00:30:40
originally came from this idea but I think my mom my mom studied Parisian French um in in school and my dad is
00:30:48
Canadian and I think they just wanted me to be immersed in the French language a
00:30:53
little bit more I grew up bilingual and then was losing it a little bit when I was in my like I don't know 8 through 10
00:30:59
years old ages and um so when I was like 11 they were like oh you should just you
00:31:04
should go visit and you'll have this like experience where you're speaking
00:31:09
English and helping their daughter learn another language and she'll help you and
00:31:14
you'll be in France so you'll be hearing French all the time so it was it was
00:31:17
really like that immersive experience and I was there for like three weeks but no I
00:31:21
flew there with our family friend and I flew back with Eloise but it was just us
00:31:27
as kids like flying as like miners um right which I just don't think anyone would ever do today like I just can't I
00:31:36
can't imagine I'm like I'm not letting my kids on to playing by themselves but
00:31:39
um it's just different definitely uh yeah definitely a little scary did you guys have at least like the the airplane
00:31:46
or the air uh Airline guardian or whatever yeah yeah totally yeah um that's cool and and was this like a
00:31:54
summer trip or like did you go like during the school year or oh that's a good question it must have been during
00:32:01
the school year because I did go to school with Eloise for some time so that was another like kind of pseudo Public
00:32:09
School experience that I had but it was in another country um yeah yeah so it must have been during the school year
00:32:16
but I think I only went to her like classes for like one of the weeks I don't think I was there like the whole
00:32:22
time um but really fun fun experience though oh my gosh yeah it was amazing like I I'm so thankful for that I mean
00:32:31
it was a wild it was a wild time it was a time like I definitely felt alone a lot because when you can't you don't
00:32:38
have anyone else who speaks your language like really near you and you're a kid it was there was definitely
00:32:44
moments where I was missing home that's probably the first like really feeling
00:32:48
away from home and like the wish my mom was here kind of um ideas but like again
00:32:54
it's like it's okay made it made it through you know um figure it out but
00:33:00
definitely built some resilience for me from that perspective so I I want to shift gears just a little bit yeah
00:33:07
and so now we're a little bit far removed from our homeschool experiences now and
00:33:15
um but now we're bringing them back into our lives through our podcasts and through our conversations that we're
00:33:20
having and stuff and so I was wondering you asked me this question when I was on
00:33:24
your show about what kind of led to you wanting to start your podcast podcast and what was kind of like the impotence
00:33:29
for that so um so yeah I mean hit me what what was kind of what were you thinking oh my gosh to be honest this is
00:33:37
like talking about homeschooling has been on my mind for years I just was like do I need to write a book do I need
00:33:45
to do like I I think originally I was like I'm G to write a book about my experience um and then you know that
00:33:52
kind of fell off I was like thinking about it and I don't know and uh the podcast thing came up because I was like
00:33:58
o I want to I just want to talk to more homeschoolers I kept feeling like oh man
00:34:01
I'm like getting these like nuggets of like what like from my friends that I
00:34:04
knew so well like I thought like you talked about it the assumption that like you're all kind of believing in the same
00:34:10
thing and doing the same thing like when you're kids in the same group or whatever and finding out that that was
00:34:15
very much like not the case um as I talked to some of my close friends I was like man I'd love to like talk to other
00:34:21
homeschoolers too so I was like how do I like reach other people um and so that's
00:34:26
where the podcast idea came out but um a lot of it's just like I mean you experienced it too like
00:34:34
seeing the misconceptions firsthand when you're talking to somebody like as an
00:34:39
adult and being like wow like that's really what you think like homeschooling
00:34:43
is oh man like let me like let me help you out with that or something um and then on the flip side I've run into a
00:34:50
lot of like I'm I'm I'm 32 I'm at the age now have friends who are having kids
00:34:54
and and they have this like super idealistic idea of homeschooling sometimes we're like that' be so fun
00:35:03
like I just love spending time with my family all day that'd be great and I'm
00:35:07
always like ah like just a couple things you might want to think about you know yeah let me let me burst your uh
00:35:16
balloon just a little bit here on some of these thoughts yeah totally no I think something that has come up on the
00:35:24
show a few times is this idea too where specifically with I think the home homeschool moms tend to carry the the
00:35:31
brunt of it right cuz Dad stereotypically Dad is you know at the office right and he's he's making money
00:35:37
to pay the bills but um it one of the things that we have talked about on the show before is the idea that like mom
00:35:46
when she becomes a homeschooled mom not only does she have all of her duties as just like Mom right and taking care of
00:35:53
the house and like again this is speaking from a very like you know traditional this is what mom stays home
00:35:59
and takes care of the house perspective but that tends to be a lot of what homeschooling kind of a lot of families
00:36:05
who do homeschooling kind of hold that so you know all of a sudden she goes from not only just having to take care
00:36:10
of the house but also then like every single kid and worrying about their education it is a full-time freaking job
00:36:17
all of a sudden and I think one of you talked about misconceptions I think one of the misconceptions is like oh it's
00:36:23
like super easy it's like no it's not you know it is it is work that is extremely hard I mean when
00:36:32
my mom got to retire like we joked like you're you're retired now like your
00:36:37
career is over um and and she's like yeah like literally just like when it was done when my sister graduated she's
00:36:44
like I just relaxed I like went on vacation I was just like it was it was over it was done with um that's great
00:36:52
glad she went on vacation that's awesome I feel like not yeah I might have made
00:36:56
that part up go on more vacations now that we're not in the house let's say
00:37:00
that um but I think it's it's also this interesting thing to be a homeschool
00:37:07
parent and kind of have to juggle both because somebody who sends their kid to Traditional
00:37:14
School they they get a break right they're just mom and dad they're not also teacher and so I don't know if you
00:37:22
had this struggle at all but like the struggle of like Mom and Dad maybe not being able to turn off like the teacher
00:37:28
part or the parent part and kind of like segment them out a little bit because it
00:37:32
can it's really easy for those lines to get really blurred yeah I have a lot to
00:37:37
say about that um yeah it's it's I feel like it's a little more convoluted just from my
00:37:46
experience because I don't think that my mom ever like she wasn't trying to be like
00:37:53
okay I'm only teacher now like she never did that technically right and I think some some parents do that
00:38:00
and and are very good at that like from this hour to this hour you know I'm I'm
00:38:06
you know at the front of the class telling you what to do um but that that really wasn't the case and our like like
00:38:10
I mentioned before it was more like a fluid experience homeschooling um but that said I like I did it just took a
00:38:20
lot out of my mom I would say like as a whole like not necessarily even just like the being the teacher and then the
00:38:25
mom and then switching hats it was just like all of it together just the fact that she was doing all of
00:38:30
it she wasn't like left with much at the end of the day you know like and right I
00:38:36
I don't know if this is being the oldest thing and just like seeing like oh there's just always something to do with
00:38:40
my younger siblings or someone needs help with something or I just I definitely didn't feel
00:38:46
like as emotionally supported like I never I never felt like the kid that could like oh I'm just going to go like
00:38:53
cry with my mom about this thing like that was just not there wasn't enough hours in the day for things like that it
00:39:00
felt like um so as far as the like having a mom versus having a teacher I do like I I sometimes have to you know
00:39:10
mourn that part of my experience that I didn't feel like I really had my mom by
00:39:16
like very much like available to me specifically um which has to be an annoying thing to hear as a mom who is
00:39:23
like home all the time with your kids which is crazy but um yeah it was just it was just a lot I think I think more
00:39:31
of that was like a big family thing um but I saw it more in my siblings for sure the like Mom versus teacher aspect
00:39:40
and there are moments where it's pretty painful like as a kid you know because
00:39:45
my mom could be getting really frustrated as a teacher but you know I think if she was only the
00:39:54
mom she'd be having a different reaction and that I think that was hard to manage I
00:40:00
remember one time oh my gosh I I did not like math at all like growing up and I might attribute it to this moment in my
00:40:09
life when I was my mom was trying to help me with math and it was it was just killing me I was not understanding what
00:40:16
was going on and she was trying to help me and she was getting frustrated I was getting frustrated like and you know I'm
00:40:23
crying and she's like oh my gosh like I just don't understand like what is you
00:40:27
know why why is this so difficult she ends up calling back when you could like call the owners of the curriculum she
00:40:35
like calls the curriculum creators or something and it's like am I like are we
00:40:39
going through the right book or something like what it like basically like should my daughter like be
00:40:45
understanding this or not which is like it's a lot to unpack anyway but then the
00:40:51
curriculum is like uh no ma'am you're actually trying to teach her two years
00:40:55
of math like in one year like I was like I had already done what I needed to do and that was just like oh my gosh
00:41:06
like that was horrible it's a horrible experience as a kid because then like as
00:41:10
a kid you you don't know how to compartmentalize like this is my mom and this is my teacher I don't know like but
00:41:16
that was like I look back on that I'm like that was definitely just my mom really having a breakdown as a teacher
00:41:22
not as a mom you know um yeah and it bums me out though because the interpretation as a kid is like oh my
00:41:29
mom is like disappointed in me and thinks I'm stupid or something you know um yeah so I think that that's just like
00:41:38
the flip side of what you brought up I don't know if that still applies but no
00:41:42
totally I think you brought up a really good point of also as a kid not being able as a kid not being able to separate
00:41:50
mom versus teacher right where it's like yeah maybe Mom and Dad kind of have to
00:41:55
do that sometimes like my dad was also like the principal right and he's like
00:41:59
sometimes you're the principal and then sometimes you're just Dad right and it's
00:42:02
like that's a weird thing cuz principal you only see the principal when you're
00:42:07
in trouble that was you know and so what kind of data are we getting right now and um you know which is it um but yeah
00:42:16
I think that's a good point too as like as a parent to like how do you I I don't even I don't
00:42:23
think either of us have the answer to this but like how do you communicate that to your kid of like and how do you
00:42:28
set up your homeschool structure in such a way that they understand that it's
00:42:31
like okay like now it's like I'm putting on my teacher hat we're going to be like
00:42:35
teacher time and this is like very separate from like you know now I'm Mommy and and daddy you know it's like
00:42:43
very it's an it's just an interesting thing that I think is is hard to comp
00:42:47
compartmentalize uh for a kid let alone for a parent and I you know because the other thing with homeschooling is like
00:42:53
the the school hours vary it's not a like oh it's it's not Traditional School
00:42:58
where it's like we start at 7:00 a.m. and we're done by 3: in the afternoon
00:43:01
like I mean there were days I wasn't done with school till midnight you know
00:43:05
like right it just is what it is you just figure it out I mean you you joke about the Hat thing but I remember like
00:43:12
even when I think about that I'm like I think a hat would have helped like I
00:43:15
think I think it could have helped everybody just been like oh sorry just been like you know this is me as Mom or
00:43:22
this is me as teacher and I'm going to take take it like have some kind of visual or physical thing that's like I
00:43:28
am now like fully just your mom but I I can hear the arguments though in my head
00:43:34
as I'm saying this of of like well you know you're a whole person and just be
00:43:41
be it all at once and I'm like yeah that's a great idea but that that alone
00:43:46
like you said is really hard to navigate when you're trying to be both I mean I
00:43:50
could see myself wanting to like like if I was a mom just being like Oh I'm so sorry you're having such a
00:43:56
hard time with this let's just do something else verus like where a teacher is like I got to help you figure
00:44:02
this out you know I think it's interesting too I I recently had a homeschool mom on who um
00:44:11
she the biggest takeaway I took from the whole thing was like she she she's like
00:44:16
sometimes you just got to stop and you got to Vibe out with your kid and like it's like she's like it's very just like
00:44:22
that hippie mindset of just like my kid needs me right now as like Mom and I'm
00:44:26
just going to that for them today and you know what no school is going to happen but it's okay CU like my kid just
00:44:32
needs me um not not the teacher version of me and it was cool to talk to her and
00:44:39
and really kind of get a grasp on that because it was like you know she didn't
00:44:43
do it perfectly but she's like there are times when I wish I would have just kind
00:44:46
of pushed myself to be like it's okay like we'll do it tomorrow it's not a big
00:44:50
deal you know this this little thing my kid just needs me right now and um yeah you know I yeah that's cool it's a it's
00:45:01
a powerful thing when you can look back that that's the whole point of this podcast right it's like kind of let's
00:45:05
look back at some of these things that maybe you know I would say I don't know
00:45:10
I'll speak for myself here and I'll let you you know but like I think my
00:45:13
homeschool experience was like overall very positive and I look back on it pretty fondly there's a lot of things I
00:45:20
would change but overall I'm like yeah I think my parents did the best they could
00:45:23
with what they got you know and the point of me talking about these things is not to be like oh my parents kind of
00:45:30
suck it's to be like hey can the next generation of parents maybe learn from
00:45:34
this and say oh let's do it a little bit differently so totally I don't know
00:45:38
would you categorize your homeschool experiences like maybe overall like I viewed as positive or how do how do you
00:45:44
view your overall home school experience um yeah I I would say it was mostly positive I do recognize that like
00:45:51
a lot of what made it positive for me is just how I look at the world and my personality like I
00:46:01
really uh I enjoyed managing my own time that was like a really big thing like I
00:46:07
did that for a lot of my homeschool life I had to like my mom was like had a lot
00:46:12
of siblings and she was preoccupied doing other stuff and there were days where my mom's just like here you gotta
00:46:17
you got to do this on your own you know um let me know if you have questions but
00:46:21
downstairs changing diapers or something you know um just busy but like that was
00:46:26
one of the things things that I remember having a really hard time with in college was that I felt like I could not
00:46:32
manage my own time because I had to have like my butt in a seat during a class time when I was like oh but I feel like
00:46:38
I could really work on this other project right now but like if I if I'm not physically in this classroom then
00:46:44
I'm not going to get a good grade or yeah it was kind of kind of interesting
00:46:48
but yeah I would definitely say my homeschooling experience was overall positive I think
00:46:54
um you know there's definitely some I wish were different in my like family life that would have made it maybe like
00:47:03
easier for my mom and like just going back to like the kind of parent struggles I think a lot of that has to
00:47:09
do with the community around you too um like your parents support around them um
00:47:16
more so than like your kids having friends like you having people to lean on and I think my mom did have a really
00:47:22
good support system but I I think there was also sometimes a tone of like watch out like you got to do school
00:47:30
every day you know kind of like what you're describing the difference of you
00:47:34
know they're they're not going to get everything they're supposed to if you
00:47:36
don't make sure to finish this textbook by Thursday or these these pressures can
00:47:42
also come from those communities and I think that's why you have to be really
00:47:45
selective with like who you align with um because yeah there's just a lot of
00:47:51
that I watched my mom really hone in her close friends through the decade that well I guess she homeschooled longer but
00:48:01
for my decade of homeschool I watched it go from this I don't want to say it was always
00:48:07
broad but it was kind of this broad group of people to by the end it was like these like my best friends some of
00:48:15
some of their parents were my parents best friends others were not you know and to your point I think it was just
00:48:22
this kind of continual you know filtering out like those voices that were pushing like this
00:48:29
thing that I don't agree with you know like whether it's I got to be teaching
00:48:33
my kid every single day or whether it's you know whether it's religious or this
00:48:38
particular whatever they filtering down to like these are the core people that I'm like super tight with and we all
00:48:44
kind of align enough that we're good and we can like support each other so I
00:48:50
don't know like do do you feel like your mom or your parents kind of did any of
00:48:53
that filtering through your your time as a homeschooler or [Music] um yes I'm trying like my mom was a very
00:49:05
like polarizing person so I think in general her friend group like her friends usually Windle down you know
00:49:12
what I mean because it's like you got to find the people that are really going to
00:49:15
stick with her you know because she was just she was she was a lot um in like in
00:49:22
a lot of good ways but yeah so I I did watch like okay like this doesn't really
00:49:26
really drive and this doesn't really drive and my mom's like finding those
00:49:29
like core people for sure um yeah it's It's Tricky though because man there's also you're in a
00:49:39
small community and I remember there was like parents that are just like these loud negative voices that like even if
00:49:46
they you're not their best friend um they're like on the board for whatever
00:49:52
Co-op that your kids happen to go to and there is like those drama that drama exists that I think a lot of people are
00:50:00
used to with like public and private school does happen in homeschooling and I think it's unfortunate because I think
00:50:06
it's just so against the whole point of homeschooling which is like to celebrate
00:50:11
everyone's individual reasons for doing it and way of doing it but um that was
00:50:17
something that stuck out to me as I was being homeschooled actually sorry this is a little bit of a tangent but I felt
00:50:22
like there were some parents that were like trying so hard to recreate the Public School
00:50:27
experience to the point where I'm like why are you doing this you know yeah like why' you choose to homeschool if
00:50:34
you're like trying to make this exactly like that I don't I don't get it as
00:50:38
someone who had parents who served on the board of our group it's been interesting to kind of
00:50:46
dissect with them like why were done why were things done a certain way right it's like we didn't allow like if you um
00:50:54
did Charter School charter school kids were not allowed in our group um and and part of it is there's people who had
00:51:01
very strong stances on that right and then it's like okay and and I get it you
00:51:05
got to draw lines at some point right but it's there were these things that was always really interesting in as kids
00:51:10
and like people we've talked to of like well why like you know we had school
00:51:15
dances well like the girls had this crazy dress code that I say crazy but it seems it it was a little bit borderline
00:51:24
abusive and and the guys really did have a dress code to some degree and so it's
00:51:28
like you know how do those things get made and how do those get shaped and who is the loud voices and who has the
00:51:34
strongest opinions here and why are we subjecting ourselves to this and for the parents who disagree with that like what
00:51:41
you know how do they make their voice HT and and all that kind of things and yeah
00:51:44
so to your point I think it is an interesting thing to deal with those dramas because yeah they do happen uh in
00:51:50
the H School world as well yeah totally it's like yeah we're not exempt from
00:51:55
that yeah yeah for sure yeah well you have perceptions of like certain families because you learn about you
00:52:02
know somebody's take that's maybe a little bit different than yours right so
00:52:05
then you I don't know about you I viewed other kids as like oh well like their
00:52:08
parents hate this or their parents stand for this or whatever and it's like it's
00:52:12
like you know I can't be friends with you anymore it's like well that's so
00:52:16
dumb and stupid but you know yeah I don't know yeah yeah no it it was a thing there it can be divisive as which
00:52:25
is surprising when you think about home schooling because it's like oh this is
00:52:27
such a niche thing and all of you guys decide to do it so yay you all get to be in a club and it's like it's a lot of a
00:52:33
lot of different different opinions on a lot of things even within the homeschool
00:52:38
community so you know you brought up like you know your friends now some of them are they're having kids they're
00:52:44
starting to look at education and and they're like asking oh maybe I should homeschool my kids right and you have a
00:52:51
an ability to be a voice to them of like okay hey here's the experience I had you
00:52:56
know take these things into consideration so when you're talking to these people like what are you
00:53:02
recommending homeschooling are you you know what what do you I don't know is
00:53:06
there anything in particular that you say to them or is it a lot of that kind of debunking of some of the myths or the
00:53:12
perceptions around homeschooling that you're seeing like most of the conversation revolve
00:53:17
around yeah that's an interesting question I personally I've had an aversion to like recommending anything
00:53:24
to my friends that are parents because I don't have kids and I'm just like very
00:53:28
sensitive to like all of this just social media everybody's telling you how to do everything now um especially when
00:53:35
you're a parent I quite frankly I can't I can't understand how how people keep
00:53:42
their heads on straight it's just so much information so anyway I I usually stay away from like making a just point
00:53:49
blank recommendation because and the reason for that is that like I really think that as a parent you
00:53:59
can have the confidence that you understand your child really well like better than other people can and you can
00:54:05
really like help inform like what education is going to serve them best so it's like when you talk about this a lot
00:54:11
on your podcast too just like being involved in their education um and so the fact that like my friends are even
00:54:17
thinking about homeschooling or considering these different things is to me like always like a really cool sign
00:54:22
that they're thinking about like oh what like what should I focus on and I think
00:54:25
that's ATI thing in of itself um but the conversation usually F like goes they
00:54:32
ask me what my experience was like and I primarily talk about the The Strain that
00:54:37
it had on my parents unfortunately that was like something that stuck out to me as a kid um and so with that I recommend
00:54:45
like more doing kind of a self like self assessment as a human like is that something that you're willing to do how
00:54:54
would you do it are like are you are you comfortable with the idea of being Mom and teacher what is that like like um so
00:55:02
that's really usually what I focus on is talking about that aspect and the family
00:55:06
Dynamics and stuff um because I like I just think that's what it's about a lot
00:55:13
of the time yeah I 100% agree I mean if you're going to do it everyone's got to
00:55:18
be bought in on it you know yeah my my dad originally was very much like he wasn't against it but he was
00:55:26
like I can't be involved or I'm not going to be oh wow and like that was it
00:55:32
wasn't until that shifted in his brain where he's like okay I want to be a part
00:55:35
of this and it took my mom kind of really trying to invite him into be a part of it where he went oh okay yeah
00:55:43
like I'm sold on this now you know and we had a couple it was a couple years of
00:55:47
doing it when it's it's but to your point it puts a strain it puts it it can
00:55:52
be a disaster on relationships it's a really hard hard it's not an easy thing
00:55:58
you know parenting already is not an easy thing uh and so you know it's an added stress yeah yeah and I also what I
00:56:07
what I do like to talk about too with those friends is is um like what would be your reason to do it you know
00:56:14
obviously you have to know more about homeschooling before you're considering
00:56:17
reasons to do homeschooling but like that is a really important aspect of like you continuing to do it I mean even
00:56:24
like when you talk about your mom like she didn't like the school systems in
00:56:27
your area that's a really good reason like you know like it's a really like
00:56:31
you're going to keep going as much as you can if you're like just not happy
00:56:36
with the education available to your kids in your area and that's totally valid and if that's the only reason
00:56:40
you're doing it great but like stick with that and and move forward I think um I think the reasons my parents
00:56:48
homeschooled were like a little little bit mixed and that the lines got blurred and then you're more vulnerable to like
00:56:54
other opinions and I think that's where things start start to break down when
00:56:57
people are like criticizing you or something if you have a strong reason you can just this is what I'm choosing
00:57:03
to do um and move on but I think there was some there was a little bit of like you know we want to raise kids with good
00:57:10
character that was part of my parents reasoning but there was also like this kind of underbelly of like this
00:57:17
religious reason that I don't I honestly don't know came from my parents very
00:57:22
much I think it like came from these homeschool groups that we ended up getting involved in
00:57:26
um and I think that was that was damaging and just not H I don't want to say it's not a
00:57:34
real reason it's just it's dicey it's a dicey reason um and yeah yeah I don't know how else to I'm
00:57:46
with you no you're you're saying that and and I'm I'm sitting here going is
00:57:50
religion a good enough reason to to like home just like to choose to choose home
00:57:57
homeschool as like the thing yeah my opinion no it's not yeah like because it
00:58:04
to your point it gets really dicey and it's very tricky to navigate that world
00:58:10
a little bit it's really easy to get sucked into different parts of religion and
00:58:17
different groups of religion um in the home education system because like curriculums
00:58:24
are when you been to a couple like homeschool conventions and you've been on the floor and you've looked at all
00:58:29
the textbooks and you through stuff you kind of get a flavor for like there's a
00:58:34
lot of diversity here when it comes to the belief systems that exist in the home education system and it's it is it
00:58:41
is wild but it again like like you said it gets dicey because it's like especially if you're fresh to it holy
00:58:48
crap there is a billion in one decisions you got to make day one where you send your kid to public school again you're
00:58:56
you don't have you're not choosing the curriculum you're not having to do all
00:58:58
that research it is a lot of work to figure all that stuff out so yeah I think it's important to say too like
00:59:06
when I say religious reasons there's so many subcategories of like religious
00:59:12
reasons to homeschool that like I think some of some of them are to me some of them seem healthier than others
00:59:21
so like sometime I think like a religious reason sometimes is uh you know um I want to I don't want them to know
00:59:31
about Evolution this is a popular one I know you bring this up a lot but like I want to teach them about creation well
00:59:36
you teach them about creation and then you don't teach them about Evolution and
00:59:39
you don't teach them about any of these other things that they're going to
00:59:42
encounter when they're adults in the real world and I think that is scary because you're not preparing them for
00:59:48
critical thinking or like like proper just just like basic respectful debating skills or any like just to choose I
00:59:58
don't know to just be strong in your choices I think that as far as like a religious reason is always just unsteady
01:00:05
to me because it's like you're just only sharing what you want your kid to
01:00:10
believe in instead of like helping them make these informed choices um so that's
01:00:16
a religious reason that I'm personally critical of and then you know but there's other religious reasons that
01:00:23
like I think the part of it for my parents you know the the super popular super popular well Bible verse that's
01:00:31
like raise raise your children in the way they should go or whatever um which also is very funny because anyone can
01:00:39
interpret what that means like for them but whatever um like oh well you know God says to raise your children in the
01:00:47
way that you should go so the only way we can do that is by having control over how you learn and how you grow up
01:00:54
and seeing how youat people and correcting how you're mistreating people sometimes and I think there's some value
01:01:01
to to things like that where you're talking about like interpersonal skills or just character building I understand
01:01:07
that perspective um so anyway that's like a much like more removed religious
01:01:11
reason but I just wanted to bring that up for for the podcast for anyone listening because I think religious
01:01:16
reasons is kind of all bundled into a big pile and I think there's so many little pockets in there um that people
01:01:25
don't think about yeah yeah no I I 100% agree with you and as someone who grew up in that it's like
01:01:32
yeah most of my most of my Science Education based around creationism we touch on Evolution but really from the
01:01:39
perspective of well this is already like a debunked wrong way of thinking about yeah yeah and that has been interesting
01:01:45
to like unpack now as an adult and kind of think more critically about and be like oh okay do I believe this do I not
01:01:51
believe this do I believe a version that both are true you know all those things
01:01:56
and so I think to your point it's it's again it's really easy to get lost
01:02:02
in the sauce of of all of it um because it's just so big and but yeah to want to
01:02:09
educate your kids to be like oh well I want to raise them in an environment where they teach very good like you know
01:02:15
characteristics of like knowing how to you know be kind and gentle and you know all those types of things that's you
01:02:21
know that's good those are good reasons but I guess boil it all down it really
01:02:27
comes down to you there's a lot more to think about than just like oh it'd be
01:02:31
fun to have everyone at home and like you know we're going like homeschool and
01:02:35
travel the world and like do you know like like you know just like the perfect little vlogger family you know ask
01:02:42
picture of it it's like that's just like not probably the reality of most people
01:02:47
so totally yeah totally yeah I think this has been an amazing conversation and I think you know we could go on and
01:02:54
on and on and I hope you do come back talk for days this sorry if I harped too long on a weird topic but
01:03:03
yeah about that's yeah that's the thing is there's so many layers to The
01:03:07
Homeschool environment and then everyone's unique individual stories like there's parallels there's
01:03:12
differences and it's important to kind of like pull those back a little bit and
01:03:17
really get down to the the root of it and what people are thinking these days about it and and like I said a ways out
01:03:24
of that experience and so now being able to unpack it with just like completely different eyes yeah wild yeah and I
01:03:33
don't know about you but I'm I'm still consistently like surprised at how many
01:03:38
people talk about homeschooling positively like as it like my peers because growing up it was always like
01:03:45
this weird thing like to do and now I feel like when people talk about it they're like that'd be cool that'd be
01:03:50
fun like always like what where did this come from um yeah so so I think it is such cool timing that you're like you're
01:03:59
you're able to interview your friends I'm trying to get more voices out there
01:04:02
about what their homeschooling experience was like like you said because I think people are really
01:04:06
interested in it for whatever reason um and yeah I think having those real just real stories out there about it is gonna
01:04:15
help people yeah no for sure and and I'm excited to hear more of your show and
01:04:20
learn more from like your friends and the people you bring on because yeah it's a totally different flavor and it
01:04:25
kind of of and uh so yeah so I highly encourage my audience go take a listen it'll be linked in the show notes
01:04:31
homeschooled I'm assuming all of the major streaming platforms uh I braed YouTube recently
01:04:38
okay from your recommendation yeah YouTube up there as well very cool very cool uh is there
01:04:45
anywhere else you want people to go follow you got socials newsletter anything like that that you want people
01:04:49
yeah I mean I'm on Instagram um just the homeschooled pod and then if you're
01:04:55
interested in just talking or asking me questions or if if you want to be a guest um I'd love to start a chat with
01:05:02
you and my email for that is the homeschooled pod gmail.com so you can reach me there very cool yeah awesome
01:05:09
this has been so much fun Before I Let You Go is there anything that's come up
01:05:14
that I'm like we haven't touched on that you're like okay this is super important
01:05:17
we need to like discuss it could be a funny moment could be I don't know maybe
01:05:20
we didn't touch on whatever uh yeah I don't know there there's so much but um I don't
01:05:29
know I think uh just alog together what I'd like to remind any parent who's
01:05:36
considering homeschooling or not or whatever um just like trust yourself and and Trust like what you believe is best
01:05:44
for your kid I think there's a lot of like criticisms of parents out there and
01:05:48
just like being steady and and knowing your child and getting to know them more and making that your focus is is really
01:05:55
a great great place to start and it's it's not about the mechanics of how you
01:06:00
teach them or where they go or what school it's it's really about like your
01:06:04
effort involved with it so um and I also want to say like if you are a parent who
01:06:09
is homeschooling take care of yourself like don't um don't sacrifice your
01:06:14
mental Wellness or anything for the sake of homeschooling and I'm saying that
01:06:19
from I hope I'm saying that from a lot of other kids' perspectives too but like
01:06:24
please please take care of yourself first yeah healthy people can can help be help other people be healthy
01:06:31
unhealthy people it's very hard to make healthy people from unhealthy people so
01:06:36
tot yeah that's something yeah of course and like I said you're always welcome back and to my
01:06:42
audience again go check out homeschooled pod I know my interview is going to be out there very soon I I'll make sure it
01:06:48
gets shared on my socials as well but uh yeah and you know if you want to reach out to me exhs Club on pretty much all
01:06:56
of the socials or exhs [email protected] shoot me an email I promise I don't bite
01:07:01
I'm very friendly and if you want to have a conversation whether it's on the
01:07:04
show whether it's off the show whatever uh you know I want to hear from you and
01:07:07
I want to know what you're up to so uh that's been it for this week we'll see
01:07:12
you again next week all right peace bye [Music] [Music]