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well welcome back to the ex
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homeschoolers Club I am your host Jacob
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Gooden and uh today is going to be a lot
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of fun I'm chatting with my friend
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Michaela uh most of you know her as
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Michaela Mahoney but she's no longer
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Michaela Mahoney you are now Michaela am
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I GNA say this right minshaw no nope I
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didn't say that right at all Michaela
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Harold yeah that's
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it my guest later today I'm interviewing
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a second person later today their last
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name is minshaw um yeah you're booked up
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it's all good I'm booked up yeah I'm
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very popular as we've as we figured out
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but Michaela thank you for coming on the
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show Welcome to the ex homeschoolers
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Club thank you so much for having me I'm
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really excited to be here awesome we're
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gonna have some fun so we I I know you
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were you and your sister were better
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friends with my sister so I do know you
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um but I feel like I know you more from
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like later years for me it's true
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yes and I think it is funny I think I
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don't remember who you were interviewing
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that mentioned it but like there
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definitely were different clicks so I
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feel like I also know you from like the
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cool homeschooler side where like the
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swing dancers like all of those and I
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just wasn't part of that crew so it's
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funny to see the other side well you
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also lived you guys were in Oxnard is
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that right we were yeah so there's also
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like the Oxnard ohigh Ventura like there
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was also yeah there was a lot of
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different different things going on I
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think everyone also looked at each other
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as like well that's the cool group over
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there like I would like to be a part of
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that group but the reality was like we
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all were just we all were just weirdos
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you know oh right yeah exactly it was
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just like the cool kids were a little
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less weird than the other kids and true
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we were all just weird together and it
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was great true okay so I know tell tell
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the folks a little bit about like your
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homeschool Journey like were you
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homeschooled all the way through also
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like how many siblings like that kind of
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thing like set the stage a little bit of
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like family life and then homeschool
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life yeah yeah so um our family life we
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were a small little family it was just
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be and my sister Madison um and then we
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actually adopted my brother who's older
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than me by a year way later he came when
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he was 13 so like junior high high
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school age um but my sister and I were
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homeschooled all the way through um our
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dad was a pastor at the time and so his
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vacation days were really sporadic and
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so they thought hey we should decide and
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our kids can go on vacation and we don't
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have to deal with asking permission from
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a school to let them go on a vacation in
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the middle of the school year so um
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that's kind of what they did and my mom
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just jumped right in she had a lot of
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mom friends in the community that had
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already been homeschooling their kids so
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she had a good support system so it was
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just me and my sister and then when my
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brother was adopted him and I ended up
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in all the same classes cuz he was held
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back a year he's from Guatemala so he
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didn't speak any English uh which was
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kind of a funny d damic it definitely
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created a sibling rivalry because I felt
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like I needed to do better grade wise
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because he didn't even speak English
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right so I should be able to do better
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um but it was fun because then I had a
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buddy to do all my school workk with so
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that was kind of what we did and
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obviously we did group Solutions um
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which I think is what most people that
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have been on the podcast did and then we
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did that and Casa were you familiar with
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Casa yeah that was like was that more
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that was more like the Oxnard crew right
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like Kasa Kasa was not achieve but it
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was similar to achieve in that it was
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like a coalition of of homeschool
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families and then they did different
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things together right like graduation
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things like that right yeah yeah and it
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was mostly like oxer cam Rio folks so a
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little bit more in London and they did
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it interesting they actually hired
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teachers so the moms brought money
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together and it wasn't just mom's
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teaching classes but we could sign up
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for like I did economics I did higher
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Sciences higher maths and it was like
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actual teachers um which was helpful and
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I think less pressure for the moms um
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and they also did a lot of sports that's
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why we did it because my brother wanted
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to do basketball and and that kind of
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stuff yeah no that is interesting
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because yeah achieve didn't really have
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much like that I know there were people
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like Mrs yep has been brought up on this
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podcast a couple of times who taught a
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writing class and then obviously some of
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the moms were Educators and had gone to
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school to be Educators but yeah there
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wasn't a lot of like actual like oh we
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hired somebody to to teach a class so
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that's that's interesting and what were
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those classes
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like like more of a traditional
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classroom setting or like what was like
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size-wise and like things like that what
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did that look like yeah it really
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differed on how popular that class was I
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think if you remember from group
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Solutions I always remember this so
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vividly the day where you had to sign up
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for classes you wanted to be the first
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one in there so you could get your first
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picks for everything um because there
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was like periods there was like three
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different sections of classes you could
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go get so Kasa was a little different in
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the fact that it wasn't like periods
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back to back it really was you just go
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to the class that you would like so I
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think it would range from like 8 to like
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15 or 20 students in a classroom and we
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met at a church so similar to group
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Solutions it wasn't like we went to a
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school or anything but right it was
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small classes yeah so so you're saying
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also the classes were happy like let's
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say on like a Tuesday or something like
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that right so You' go to one class on a
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Tuesday and then maybe a different class
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on a Friday or something like that yep
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yep that's exactly what it was yeah you
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just signed up to the different thoughts
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yeah okay that makes a lot more sense
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yeah because like group Solutions was
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very much like all
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day like said three periods with the
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lunch break in there and um yeah and
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then like a worship session beforehand
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and yeah and then Hangouts afterwards
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and stuff like that but it's true yeah
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so kind of a different very much a
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different Dynamic um yeah that's super
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super interesting and did
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you I'm trying to remember did you say
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you were homeschooled all the way
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through or at what point did your family
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switch to home school so we were all the
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way through yeah um when I got to high
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school my parents did give me the option
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they said hey like if you want to go to
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regular school now like you absolutely
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can we were in a different stage of life
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so it wasn't as important I mean more
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for us to be homeschooled but um we
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lived right across the street from oxer
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high and I saw all of the kids walking
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home from school every day and I was
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like that's so scary I don't know what I
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would do I like have my group of friends
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it's okay just the thought of being the
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new kid in a real school felt so
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intimidating so I chose to stay home
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schooled because I also liked that if I
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planed my day right I could finish my
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school day whenever I wanted
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really uh and I felt like I was very
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much in charge of my own schedule in
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that way so yeah I opted for
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homeschooling all the way through yeah I
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feel like this isn't true for everybody
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but like
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I I went to public school for uh first
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kindergarten in first grade
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and I feel like I I would have wanted to
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stay in like a public school setting
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maybe in those earlier years but by high
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school yeah like the ability to like
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dictate your own schedule and be done by
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a certain time and then go do something
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fun or have a job or like anything like
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that it's like so interesting and
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different and unique and I think It
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prepares I think it prepared me a lot
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more for like regular life right because
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it sounds like your parents also kind of
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gave you the freedom to be like well you
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are you're in charge of your day kind of
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a thing yeah no that's so true and I
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think even thinking now like if I were
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to do something like homeschool for my
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own kids I think I would do it like you
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said like have them in school for the
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first couple formative years have them
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make friends socialize all that and then
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in high school let them choose really um
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not I don't think my parents did the
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wrong way I don't think there is a wrong
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way every family is different and every
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parent is different but um I do think
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you're right like the school cuz even
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I'm really involved with some younger
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girls in my community like I just Mentor
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them and the things that they deal with
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in school now is crazy and I think it's
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just getting worse like you know
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bullying and mental health stuff and
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it's just wild out there so it's
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different times for sure yeah yeah no
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but it's also it it's also easier now
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than ever to like learn stuff you know
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there's so much access to information
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and so it it's funny because I was
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chatting with someone who they're
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worried about like their grandson is
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potentially going to be homeschooled and
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they're like I don't know like I'm just
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you know they're they they sent their
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kids to regular school and then you know
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and now their their son is like thinking
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about homeschooling these kids and and
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the Grandma's just like she's worried
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and I'm like I'm like there's so much
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information out there and also like if
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it doesn't work then like they can
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always go to regular school or they can
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go to private school or they can do
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whatever like it can always be pivoted
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to change
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um but you know I was like look at me I
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turned out
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semi-normal yes I know so it's funny
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that you say that someone didn't know I
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was homeschooled and was talking to like
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this group of people who was like my
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wife wants to homeschool our kids and
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I'm just scared that they're going to
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start making skirts out of our curtains
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and I was like laughing to myself I was
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like I promise that's not everyone so
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then I was like I was home school and he
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was like you were and first of all
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that's always a compliment when
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someone's like I had no idea but that's
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the same thing I told him I was like
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it's so different like it all depends on
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you know what your goal is with
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homeschooling are you trying to Shield
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them from the world then maybe maybe
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they'll make scps out of there but as
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long as they're socialized and you guys
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are doing a great job it's fine yeah so
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that no that's hilarious because we I I
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know you weren't necessarily someone who
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made a skirt out of a curtain but we
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definitely knew people who did that yes
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yeah there was a little bit of
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everything yeah you have to see
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different personalities family
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personalities Dynamics yeah absolutely
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so so being homeschooled all the way
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through um was there
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like is there something you feel like
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your parents did really really well or
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like or they could have done a little
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bit better it sounds like your mom kind
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of asked for like joining something like
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Casa right is is and sending your kids
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off to a class is like kind of helpful
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like my mom did that with areas where
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she was like I'm not super strong in
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this area right so we need to help find
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something somebody to help so you know
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you talked a little bit about that but
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like is there anything that as you've
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gotten older and you kind of look back
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you go mom you kind of missed this like
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this would have been really helpful and
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not to be like you know not to shame
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them it's just mostly to point out the
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fact that it's like you know hey like we
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can you know for fut Generations we can
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do better yeah yeah no for sure um I
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think funny enough later is when she
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realized when she signed us up for Kasa
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like oh I can't teach everything like I
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really do need to to send them off
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somewhere that will teach them more than
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I can um I think it was Lizzy flag boom
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that talked about the apologia books and
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I feel like the one thing we did was
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switch around with curriculums a lot
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which is fair because if you start one
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and you don't really know like what
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you're getting into and then it's like
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harder or easier than you think then
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you're like okay like we'll keep going
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but I do think we swapped around a lot
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which was a little bit hard I kind of
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wish there was I think that's something
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that would be easier for families now
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it's so much easier to research the
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curriculums and really pick one that is
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probably trustworthy and a well-rounded
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um view uh but CA helped a lot and I
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think something she did really well was
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set us up with like uh I don't know what
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you would call it I guess like when they
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set up your grades to go apply for
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colleges or set up a resume and so she
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really did help us set up our like life
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goals and she was the one that
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encouraged me to just really kind of
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what whatever you want to do is great so
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she was very like you're in charge like
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we're just here to support you which is
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really really helpful so it was a good
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balance she was trying her best yeah no
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that's cool too that like yeah cuz my my
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my mom also was very particular about
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like okay we gotta like the goal was if
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he wants to go to college he needs to be
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able to get into college right so one
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he's got to be smart enough to do that
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but two we got to have all the paperwork
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figured out so that when it gets to that
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point it's easy to figure out share a
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little bit about like transitioning out
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of homeschooling and then into the real
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world because um we're chatting a little
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bit before you didn't go to college but
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you did some other type of schooling so
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share a little bit about that transition
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and like you know why you decided that
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it was actually one of my class of
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teachers it was um my economics teacher
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Mr Wu he was great he always wore
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oversized t-shirts like button-up dress
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shirts that were 10 times too big for
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him it was just a character trait I
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loved it uh he really instilled in me
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that college wasn't super necessary if
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you wanted to do something obviously if
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you're going to be a doctor or a
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scientist please go to college but if
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you're you're not he was like there's so
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many other avenues you can take and he
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started giving me all those
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possibilities that I had never thought
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of before because I think it really is
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such a social standard to go from school
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to college and if you don't have a
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degree you're really looked down upon in
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the Working World so um he started yeah
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giving me those ideas so when I finished
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high school I really didn't know what I
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wanted to do and I didn't want to go get
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into a bunch of student loan debt just
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to figure that out um so my mom was the
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one that suggested she said hey you know
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this is something you enjoy which is
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like Hospitality we were the house that
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always had birthday parties and I love
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loved planning them for my friends and
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so she found a certification program for
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event management um which is what I
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ended up doing so it was perfect because
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right after high school I got a job as a
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braa and I was able to do that full-time
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while I did online like schooling for
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event management and it was really
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Hands-On it taught you everything from
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like how to read a contract how to
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negotiate a deal and how to lead your
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clients through this whole process so I
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loved it and so right when I finished
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that it was about a year and a half
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um they said two years but again I think
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homeschooling gave me the edge up
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because I was used to working
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independently and figuring out I SCH so
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I finished it in a year and a half and
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right after that um I became a wedding
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planer uh one of my friends was a
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wedding planner at AV venue and a job
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opened up and I had just finished my
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certification and they said that's
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perfect so I did that for a couple years
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and I I loved
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it so from then on I've just yeah the
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different event stuff I've been
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an event director for a nonprofit I'm in
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marketing now but I still think it it
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helps my event management knowledge and
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I think it really has helped me build on
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each step and I think not having a
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college degree hasn't hurt me a ton
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because I've been able to get experience
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from such a young age and build on that
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resume so it turned out okay yeah no
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that's awesome because like so I went to
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college for entertainment and
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specifically music but um but I wanted
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to manage bands but part of program was
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we had a venue on campus and we would
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throw these events and we helped with uh
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you know if the if the board for the
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school came to town you know who who's
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picking up who at the airport like we
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would do that kind of stuff and run
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Logistics these lunches and the
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logistics and you know all the behind
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the scenes stuff that goes into all
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these types of things and so it was
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really cool that that whole Arena of
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event planning is very interesting and
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yeah you don't need a college degree to
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be good at it um right but it is really
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cool what Pro do you remember what the
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program was that you got your
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certificate through yes um it was called
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the New York Institute of Art and Design
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okay so they they have a ton of
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different things from event stuff but
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they have like interior design or um art
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specifically so it's really more of a
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creative Outlet kind of a website
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schooling thing it was really cool no
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it's funny that you bring that up
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because I also looked at that when I was
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thinking about going to school because I
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was also on the fence of like College
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some kind of a certificate I looked into
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a couple those different programs and
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that kind of a thing so that's funny I'm
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I'm very familiar with what you're
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talking about now that's very cool yeah
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I usually people have no idea what I'm
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talking about so it's very cool that you
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know yeah no and it helps too that like
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like you said you knew somebody who was
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an event planner for weddings right and
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so so then you kind of also have that
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leg up and this is
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why I think it's so important to going
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back to like homeschool days right it's
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like right we grew up in environments
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that we were not just isolated to just
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our families we had friends we knew
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people we like we also a lot of times
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also were encouraged to like know how to
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carry conversation with adults right and
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so you learn how to kind of like be
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friendly and build this network very
00:17:18
young and I don't know about you but for
00:17:20
me that's what's carried my career for
00:17:23
oh what it is today 100% And I think
00:17:26
what's funny is when I was younger I was
00:17:29
in groups and Cass and all that I was
00:17:31
such a shy kid but even looking back
00:17:34
like it still did teach me all of those
00:17:37
skills I feel like I'm so extroverted
00:17:39
now and I'm so comfortable talking to
00:17:40
people and even some of my co-workers
00:17:42
that are scared to like call someone on
00:17:44
the phone I'm like oh it's okay I'll do
00:17:45
it yeah but I think it's because of that
00:17:47
I didn't realize how normal it was at
00:17:49
such an early age for us even though I
00:17:51
was shy it really did set me up for
00:17:53
Success yeah so you're no longer in the
00:17:55
event space You Now work in marketing so
00:17:57
talk about that pivot too because that's
00:17:59
that's kind of a drastic pivot and
00:18:01
sometimes that can be hard to get into
00:18:02
if you don't have a degree right it's
00:18:05
true I really do feel like I faked it
00:18:06
till I made it here I don't know how
00:18:09
yeah but so I was working as an event
00:18:11
director at a nonprofit which was great
00:18:13
I loved it um but just some things are
00:18:16
changing and I was kind of getting burnt
00:18:18
out I was doing events most weekends and
00:18:20
there's just a lot of travel involved so
00:18:22
I was like I just need something
00:18:23
different so again there was a
00:18:26
connection that she used to work at the
00:18:27
nonprofit I work for
00:18:29
she had connections with the CEO of the
00:18:31
marketing company that I had heard of um
00:18:33
so I just reached out to her and I said
00:18:34
hey I'm looking for a career change like
00:18:36
if there's anything opening or if you
00:18:38
know of anything I would love it yeah so
00:18:40
she was like oh yeah you'd be great you
00:18:42
just need to be organized that's the key
00:18:44
thing everyone's like oh you're
00:18:46
organized you can keep a tdo list and
00:18:48
get things done great but you're hired
00:18:50
yeah so um she gave me a recomendation
00:18:53
which was so kind of her and I initially
00:18:56
interviewed for a project management
00:18:58
role
00:18:59
uh which didn't end up working out and
00:19:01
then they were like but actually there's
00:19:02
another role it's an account executive
00:19:05
so they're the people who work directly
00:19:06
with the clients um but they needed
00:19:09
someone to support those account
00:19:11
Executives so basically I run the
00:19:13
logistics for these account Executives
00:19:15
they have so much on their plate and
00:19:17
they have they have to keep track of
00:19:19
different projects and deadlines and
00:19:20
sending things to clients and
00:19:22
essentially it's what it was doing for
00:19:24
events just for venues and different
00:19:27
clients and so I just transferred my
00:19:30
skills over and now I have learned so
00:19:33
much about marketing and I didn't
00:19:34
realize how much like you know
00:19:37
networking and knowing your client
00:19:39
that's a huge thing like for marketing
00:19:41
you need to know what does your client
00:19:43
want the audience to know and what do
00:19:45
you want them to be like oh I do need
00:19:47
that service I'm going to go to that
00:19:48
company so it's been really fun to just
00:19:51
get to know this different aspect and uh
00:19:54
I feel like it's just something else I
00:19:55
get to add to my resume I can't stay in
00:19:57
one place for very long I think that's
00:19:58
the other thing I just love learning new
00:20:00
things and going to the next thing so
00:20:02
it's been fun marketing and and the the
00:20:05
internet and like social media
00:20:07
management and like all these types of
00:20:08
things client management it's such a I I
00:20:12
say black hole in a good way right
00:20:13
because there are so many different
00:20:15
paths that you can go down as you go
00:20:17
further and further into it right and um
00:20:21
oh man it's like so wonderful because
00:20:23
like I've shared this story before on
00:20:25
this on the show but like I worked at a
00:20:28
restaurant I hated my life it was just
00:20:30
awful I managed a restaurant and like it
00:20:32
was a fine job it was good but I was
00:20:34
like I need out of this I want to do
00:20:37
marketing I want to work I want to be
00:20:38
creative right and so I started doing an
00:20:41
internship that was like or I started
00:20:43
taking these online classes that were
00:20:45
these marketing classes and like
00:20:47
learning how to use you know a website
00:20:49
builder and learning how to post on
00:20:51
Instagram effectively and like all these
00:20:52
different things and part of their
00:20:54
program was you could do a three-month
00:20:56
internship and I was like okay I mean
00:20:59
I'm not GNA get paid but it's 10 hours a
00:21:01
week let me just do it and it hooked me
00:21:02
up with a podcast and I was like okay so
00:21:04
I'm the marketing guy for this podcast
00:21:06
now cool interesting and then because I
00:21:09
had a a some experience with audio stuff
00:21:13
and then I ended up editing a show for
00:21:15
them and then it didn't spiral down
00:21:16
until like then I was producing for them
00:21:18
and then I was doing video for them and
00:21:20
all of these things like you said if you
00:21:22
have kind of the Baseline understanding
00:21:24
of like know how to be organized know
00:21:26
how to like learn that's another key
00:21:28
thing is like we both had experiences
00:21:32
where we we knew how to like structure
00:21:35
our day and we knew how to like teach
00:21:36
ourselves right and find the information
00:21:38
and so if you can do that well you can
00:21:41
do anything you want in the world
00:21:43
because there's like there's no lack of
00:21:45
information at this point on the
00:21:46
internet right um everything I know
00:21:49
about video editing about starting this
00:21:51
podcast all that kind of stuff is like
00:21:53
just I've picked up along the way
00:21:56
fig it out right I didn't get a degree
00:21:57
in this
00:21:59
you know which is so cool and I feel
00:22:01
like that's the other thing do you feel
00:22:03
like group Solutions specifically I feel
00:22:05
like that was more of my creative outlet
00:22:07
they had so many electives you could
00:22:08
take that really helped us explore like
00:22:11
those different creative things that we
00:22:13
could be good at so like there was a
00:22:15
guitar class there was a cake decorating
00:22:17
class and I'm like oh this is fun and I
00:22:19
feel like do you feel like it set you up
00:22:21
to be like oh yeah I can try different
00:22:22
things like I I think to some degree yes
00:22:27
I think what did did more of that for me
00:22:30
was I I took guitar lessons from Tim
00:22:34
France um two of his daughters have been
00:22:36
on the show so far Carrie and ellia um
00:22:39
you know them very well um we do yes and
00:22:43
and katrin's coming on very soon so you
00:22:45
know you'll complete the trifecta the
00:22:48
exactly I'm like I'm collecting my
00:22:49
Infinity Stones um yes but but yeah
00:22:53
their dad was my guitar teacher and so
00:22:56
like and then I worked for him for a
00:22:58
couple years and like learned so much
00:23:00
that way and then also like being in
00:23:03
bands and being around people who just
00:23:05
were creative right so yeah I don't know
00:23:07
that group Solutions itself was like
00:23:09
that outlet as much for me I took a lot
00:23:12
more I feel like regular classes in
00:23:14
group Solutions like English class and
00:23:17
science class and things like that
00:23:18
that's not to say I I also took fun
00:23:20
classes I remember taking games class
00:23:22
and I remember um I have an interview
00:23:24
with John slag Boon coming up and we're
00:23:25
going to talk about I took his like was
00:23:27
basically Scouts class um yes I remember
00:23:30
that I took the girl version with Mrs
00:23:32
floom yeah so yeah so I think I'm glad
00:23:38
that it was that creative outlet for you
00:23:40
but yeah I don't know that I I don't
00:23:43
know that it was for me but no that's
00:23:45
interesting and I feel like even that
00:23:46
like it's such a different experience
00:23:48
for each person and maybe it's because I
00:23:50
got that more structured set of classes
00:23:52
at Casa that I felt like I could just do
00:23:54
more fun things at group Solutions but
00:23:57
yeah I do think it's cool I think a lot
00:23:59
of homes school kids are very
00:24:00
entrepreneurial uh because they care you
00:24:03
know yeah no did you at any point in I
00:24:05
don't know Junior High High School like
00:24:07
have kind of like your own
00:24:09
business a little bit I I mean I would
00:24:12
teach piano classes I've taken piano for
00:24:14
like my whole life so I did piano
00:24:16
lessons and that was kind of my own
00:24:17
company and uh my sister and I were
00:24:20
always coming up with different ideas to
00:24:21
like sell or make on Etsy so yes I guess
00:24:24
you're right we did yeah no I I I was in
00:24:28
that same place where when I looked back
00:24:31
and I was like oh I did this like I
00:24:33
baked cookies for this and like and sold
00:24:35
them and then or like guitar lessons or
00:24:37
whatever I was like oh my gosh like no
00:24:38
I've been like an entrepreneur for a
00:24:40
very long time and uh and I didn't
00:24:43
realize that until semi recently I was
00:24:44
like having a conversation with my dad
00:24:46
and he's like he's like no like you've
00:24:49
you've been this thing for
00:24:51
forever right yes and it's because we
00:24:53
had the time too like we could do it in
00:24:56
between our our school work or whatever
00:24:58
so yeah it it came easy but it was fun
00:25:01
yeah do you think that
00:25:05
like I'm trying to figure out how to
00:25:07
Pivot this a little bit into you know
00:25:09
like homeschooling obviously there's
00:25:13
there's a lot of I feel like we had we
00:25:16
had some shared experience of just the
00:25:17
fact that like we had parents who cared
00:25:19
very much about like getting us to the
00:25:22
end goal not just the end goal being
00:25:24
high school but the end goal being
00:25:25
you're going to build some kind of
00:25:26
career build some kind of life after
00:25:28
that right and you know so they put us
00:25:31
in environments where we we were able to
00:25:33
be social we were able to learn about
00:25:34
the things we're interested in um but
00:25:37
there's still also like a lot of like
00:25:40
mental things that go on in The
00:25:42
Homeschool world that is not like yeah I
00:25:45
don't want to say it's not Traditional
00:25:46
School it it's different um yeah you
00:25:48
know everyone has their own mental
00:25:50
health battles um and things like that
00:25:53
but do you feel like because I know for
00:25:56
me I always I I grew up with this
00:25:59
understanding that I felt like the odd
00:26:00
man out always even within the homes
00:26:02
School Community I had friends I had new
00:26:04
people but I just knew that as a
00:26:06
homeschooler we were the odd men out we
00:26:08
were just different you know and so like
00:26:10
it's taken a long time to get to that
00:26:11
point now where it's like I can be I am
00:26:14
who I am and people can either accept or
00:26:16
deny that that's that's just what it is
00:26:19
yes and I I totally yes I agree I had
00:26:22
the same experience at thought I think
00:26:24
that's part of why I was so painfully
00:26:26
shy as a child cuz you do feel like that
00:26:28
Outsider and it's a little bit harder
00:26:30
because you go to places like group
00:26:31
Solutions but even then there's clicks
00:26:34
so on top of being homeschooled and
00:26:35
feeling like an outsider there's still
00:26:37
like friend groups that you feel like
00:26:38
you're on the outside of and you don't
00:26:40
see them as often so it's harder to get
00:26:43
past those boundaries whereas I think
00:26:45
kids in normal school learn so much
00:26:47
quicker they're like oh I seen these
00:26:49
kids every day doesn't matter what they
00:26:50
think or I mean I'm sure there's still
00:26:52
hard Parts but in my mind I feel like
00:26:55
that would be such a different
00:26:55
experience but now in my adult life
00:26:58
looking back I do think like I am so
00:27:00
much more outgoing because I've gotten
00:27:02
past that and because I think my parents
00:27:04
have gotten past some of that too I
00:27:06
think they have some past like from
00:27:09
their parents trauma like generational
00:27:11
stuff where they tried to keep with like
00:27:13
so many things religion it could be like
00:27:16
how they went about like making rules in
00:27:18
their house like transitioning from
00:27:21
being like an a kid who needs to live by
00:27:23
their rules to like an adult to like I
00:27:26
can now disagree with you and having
00:27:27
those convers ations which is always
00:27:29
such a hard transition I feel like there
00:27:31
is a point where you start almost
00:27:33
parenting your parents through things
00:27:34
where you're like no let me tell you
00:27:36
what I learned like it's okay to not
00:27:38
know something or it's okay to like be
00:27:40
scared of this thing but let me tell you
00:27:41
why you might be scared of this thing I
00:27:43
feel like I've dived so much into like
00:27:47
inogram stuff are you familiar with
00:27:49
inrs yeah refresh my memory just a
00:27:51
little bit but yes I do know what it is
00:27:54
so it's kind of some people love them
00:27:56
some people hate them but it's basically
00:27:57
just
00:27:58
nine numbers that break down personality
00:28:01
types and it's basically like the core
00:28:03
of who these people are so what they're
00:28:05
motivated by so for example I'm an
00:28:07
indogram n and it's Peacemaker so all I
00:28:10
want is for everyone to get along all
00:28:11
the time and I will do anything to make
00:28:13
that happen yeah I Rel that okay yeah uh
00:28:17
but my sister for example is an eight so
00:28:19
she's the opposite they are all about
00:28:21
like confrontation and they're not
00:28:23
afraid of it and they have opinions on
00:28:26
everything so it's been cool to like
00:28:29
dive into something like that where I
00:28:30
think when I was younger and under my
00:28:32
parents where we were in a church that
00:28:34
was pretty uh conservative that wouldn't
00:28:37
have agreed with any of that like um
00:28:40
they were very much like if there's
00:28:42
something wrong in your life or you're
00:28:43
depressed or have any kind of mental
00:28:45
issue it's definitely sin and it's like
00:28:48
okay no there's so many other reasons
00:28:49
that yeah someone could be struggling
00:28:51
with something like there's imbalances
00:28:53
and brain chemicals and like all of
00:28:55
these things so um it's been fun to be
00:28:58
on the other side now to explore all of
00:29:01
that and teach my parents that and see
00:29:03
them come out of things that they have
00:29:05
been trapped in they're like oh I don't
00:29:06
have to think that way or this is why I
00:29:08
think that way so I don't know that's
00:29:10
just been really cool and I think
00:29:12
because we have such a good relationship
00:29:14
they've been open to it so I'm very
00:29:15
thankful for that yeah um but yeah it's
00:29:18
been cool no that's that's interesting
00:29:20
you brought up the the sin thing which I
00:29:23
think is interesting because yeah there
00:29:26
are certain things like and you know
00:29:29
we're all on our own Journeys but I I've
00:29:31
done these unpacking in the last couple
00:29:33
years of the fact that
00:29:35
like yeah there was within Christianity
00:29:38
for anyone who's listening who's not
00:29:40
familiar with Christianity there's a
00:29:41
whole spectrum of beliefs of like the
00:29:44
the severity of the Bible right like the
00:29:47
how literal you take it and all these
00:29:49
different things right and then there's
00:29:51
also kind of this politicized version of
00:29:54
the of church as well where there's like
00:29:57
the rule creator that are like where did
00:29:59
this rule come from we don't even know
00:30:01
at this point because like it's not even
00:30:03
biblical it's just built into the fabric
00:30:05
of that church right or that particular
00:30:08
you know Calvary Chapel are different
00:30:10
than Southern Baptists and Southern
00:30:11
Baptists are different than
00:30:12
non-denominational and you know Etc
00:30:14
right um yes so when you said that that
00:30:18
stuff about you know okay so you have
00:30:20
this mental health block right of like
00:30:22
maybe it's depression or something like
00:30:24
that right and that being it's caused by
00:30:26
sin yes
00:30:28
what like what do you do with that
00:30:31
because you know like the I mean the
00:30:33
whole premise of of Christianity right
00:30:36
is like you accept Jesus into your heart
00:30:38
he pays the ultimate Price He washes
00:30:39
your sins away right and then you
00:30:41
continue to do repentance throughout the
00:30:43
years because as humans we just
00:30:44
naturally mess up and make mistakes and
00:30:47
sin um but yeah why doesn't that go away
00:30:51
if I'm praying about it and I'm asking
00:30:53
for forgiveness why doesn't that
00:30:55
depression go away or why doesn't
00:30:56
whatever that that thing is so that's
00:30:58
that's really interesting and I would
00:31:00
love to hear kind of more about
00:31:02
unpacking that with your parents because
00:31:04
I think learning to have tough
00:31:06
conversations with your parents is like
00:31:09
very free um my family's doing the same
00:31:12
thing so yeah if you're comfortable
00:31:14
share a little bit more about that
00:31:15
because it's fascinating so it was kind
00:31:18
of a wild journey and I think the
00:31:20
Turning Point didn't even happen until
00:31:22
about four years ago because we were at
00:31:23
a church in Los Angeles it was a pretty
00:31:25
big church and my dad was up in pastor
00:31:28
at this big church and so it was very
00:31:30
much like you have to be viewed as
00:31:33
perfect you and your family so we always
00:31:35
lived with that pressure not only being
00:31:36
pastor's kids but pastor's kids at a
00:31:38
mega church where everyone watched our
00:31:41
every
00:31:42
move and in that whole thing I mean so
00:31:46
much drama and political stuff happen
00:31:48
within churches and Leadership it's wild
00:31:50
so um something major happened and like
00:31:53
a bunch of rumors came out about my dad
00:31:55
and everything just kind of like hit the
00:31:59
wall everything spiraled out of control
00:32:01
and that was the point where we were
00:32:03
like wow this is crazy because these are
00:32:05
people who are holding us to like a
00:32:07
ridiculous standard who are not happy
00:32:09
that things are not going their way and
00:32:11
they're willing to do crazy things for
00:32:13
this so yeah uh we decided to leave that
00:32:16
church and that was the first time that
00:32:18
like I had seen my dad like really
00:32:20
stressed about something and like really
00:32:21
struggling through this um and so I
00:32:24
think leading that church was just a
00:32:26
huge Plus that opened up a lot of doors
00:32:29
and then also seeing him be just like
00:32:30
human not viewed as perfect and like
00:32:33
he's like I'm not perfect like this is
00:32:35
just not what is what it is and like we
00:32:37
decided to move to Florida to be closer
00:32:39
to family and we just went to church we
00:32:41
weren't involved in anything he wasn't
00:32:43
the pastor of anything and I think that
00:32:46
transition really helped us open up as a
00:32:48
family to be like okay that was wild
00:32:50
right we never want to go back okay cool
00:32:53
so what what do each of us think what
00:32:55
was our thought so I mean each of us had
00:32:57
a different perspective uh like I think
00:33:00
I was more mad at the church for a
00:33:02
really long time because I was like this
00:33:03
is ridiculous like everyone is um put on
00:33:09
that pedestal everyone expects you to to
00:33:11
live that way and I just really hated
00:33:12
that so other my sister was like No just
00:33:15
these specific people were the bad guy
00:33:17
not the church and all that so coming to
00:33:19
the other side and going to not so much
00:33:22
of a conservative Church um here in
00:33:25
Florida helped a lot because I there
00:33:28
needs to be a balance and that's kind of
00:33:29
what we ended up saying like um you need
00:33:34
mental health you need therapy you need
00:33:36
psychiatrists and everything to support
00:33:38
you through this journey that is life
00:33:40
and we do live in a sinful world so we
00:33:42
can't get away from that but like if you
00:33:45
have a balanced View and you're not just
00:33:46
like legalistic about everything then
00:33:49
you're good so that whole journey sorry
00:33:51
that was a long way to say that was
00:33:54
great okay it's um that's really what
00:33:57
changed dynamic between us and our
00:33:59
parents I think because then uh we were
00:34:02
always scared to open up and bring
00:34:03
things up with them because not that we
00:34:06
were afraid that they would judge us our
00:34:07
parents were very loving and I think we
00:34:09
always had a good relationship with them
00:34:11
but it was that outward pressure of I
00:34:14
don't want you to have the worry of like
00:34:17
oh these people might see my kids is
00:34:19
perfect or like you know just the
00:34:22
stereotypical like church family like so
00:34:27
I don't know if that makes sense but I
00:34:28
feel like that it does
00:34:31
so for a little bit of my dad was not a
00:34:33
pastor but my dad grew up in a house
00:34:35
with with somebody who
00:34:37
was a teacher um I don't know he was
00:34:41
necessarily a pastor but he taught
00:34:42
theology you know that kind of stuff
00:34:44
yeah and my dad always talks about and
00:34:46
this was lived out in my life too was
00:34:48
like on the way to church everyone's
00:34:50
screaming at each other in the car
00:34:51
they're all pissed off everybody's angry
00:34:53
you get out of the car Church the happy
00:34:55
smiles go on you walk in the doors and
00:34:58
everything's okay right you just push it
00:35:00
all down you set it aside and then
00:35:02
you're thinking maybe later we're going
00:35:04
to deal with this right we're going to
00:35:05
talk about it we're gonna whatever and
00:35:07
then you just never do right you just go
00:35:08
about the rest of your life and it's
00:35:10
like and that was kind of what I grew up
00:35:12
with too was kind of that similar
00:35:13
mentality because that was what my dad
00:35:15
had grown up doing and my mom to some
00:35:17
degree and so that's what that's what
00:35:19
they just did to us because it was like
00:35:21
well that's what we know right that's
00:35:23
that's the solution and then it starts
00:35:25
to manifest itself in these really nasty
00:35:27
way right and then when it comes out
00:35:29
you're like oh my God this is disgusting
00:35:32
right you know it comes out like cancer
00:35:35
comes out in sickness it comes out in
00:35:36
like you know crazy like weight loss
00:35:38
stuff it's you know like really
00:35:40
unhealthy you know mental health
00:35:42
struggles and physical health struggles
00:35:44
as well yeah to be a pastor's kid too
00:35:47
there's just that added level of like
00:35:50
all eyes are on me you know it's true
00:35:52
yeah I could even like sit next to a boy
00:35:55
at church because then everyone was like
00:35:56
oh my gosh is that your boyfriend like
00:35:57
what are you do so it was funny I laugh
00:36:00
at it now I think at the time it was
00:36:02
probably tramatic but it's just so funny
00:36:05
but yeah and I think you're right like I
00:36:07
well I think that's such a big thing
00:36:09
because you look up to your parents for
00:36:10
so long right and then once you realize
00:36:12
that they also struggle with things
00:36:14
you're like oh we can relate to each
00:36:15
other like this is cool like we get to
00:36:18
talk about this now so yeah that's
00:36:19
helpful yeah so do you feel like you
00:36:24
kind of maybe like I don't want to say
00:36:28
healed from it faster than your like
00:36:29
family did but obviously you were
00:36:31
talking about like then learning to like
00:36:33
kind of parent your parent um in a way
00:36:36
so is it one of those things where you
00:36:38
feel like oh I kind of got to this
00:36:40
understanding of like whether it was the
00:36:41
therapy or just reading and and gaining
00:36:43
knowledge right where you're like okay
00:36:45
I'm at this place where I'm happier and
00:36:46
I'm starting to understand like taking
00:36:48
certain things with you know I need a
00:36:51
therapist or I need you know some kind
00:36:54
of drug or whatever you know to help
00:36:55
with depression whatever it is but like
00:36:58
that that then you were able to like
00:37:01
flip around and be like okay Mom Dad
00:37:03
like you might also benefit from this
00:37:06
kind of a thing yeah yeah yeah I do feel
00:37:09
like even when we were at that church in
00:37:11
La um I was super interested in
00:37:14
Psychology I thought it was so
00:37:16
fascinating just a study of how the
00:37:17
brain works and people's psychology uh
00:37:20
so that's what I originally wanted to go
00:37:23
to school for um but my parents are like
00:37:26
no our church doesn't believe in that I
00:37:29
don't think you should like all that
00:37:31
kind of thing so I was already exploring
00:37:33
all of that set of things on my own
00:37:35
reading books uh that kind of stuff so I
00:37:38
think that did help prepare me for the
00:37:40
aftermath of like okay I kind of know
00:37:44
how people's brains work and I just need
00:37:46
to know what trauma you guys are
00:37:48
reacting this way because of if that
00:37:52
makes sense um so I think my sister and
00:37:54
I both my sister went to therapy pretty
00:37:56
quickly after that uh for the first time
00:37:58
because if it wasn't biblical counseling
00:38:00
then you couldn't go but obviously
00:38:03
that's not always the answer so she did
00:38:04
therapy I was already familiar with a
00:38:06
lot of that kind of stuff so I do think
00:38:08
that helped in the transition but I
00:38:10
think it was definitely our whole family
00:38:11
at the same time being like okay we just
00:38:14
need to try something new break out of
00:38:16
this super conservative legalistic
00:38:18
lifestyle so uh yes and no I think it
00:38:20
was all of us at the same time but I
00:38:22
think my sister and I had a little leg
00:38:23
up yeah okay okay from personal
00:38:26
experience and then also from doing a
00:38:28
lot of research anytime somebody is
00:38:30
trying
00:38:31
to deny you access to information right
00:38:34
whether it's like like you said your
00:38:36
church was saying psychology not really
00:38:38
real not really relevant whatever I grew
00:38:40
up in an area where there was a lot of
00:38:42
witches you know kind of interested in
00:38:44
the oul whatever when someone's telling
00:38:46
you no don't go down that path it's
00:38:48
usually not coming from a place of like
00:38:51
it it's coming from a place of control
00:38:54
because typically um be and and wanting
00:38:58
to deny and fear because they're wanting
00:39:01
to deny you access to that information
00:39:02
because they fear that once you have
00:39:04
access to that
00:39:05
information you will continue to make
00:39:07
more choices for yourself and choices
00:39:09
that will lead you away from what they
00:39:11
believe right and so Christianity is
00:39:15
very very used to doing this over and
00:39:17
over and over again um like you said
00:39:20
also like receiving counseling at a
00:39:22
church typically those people are not
00:39:23
trained therapists no no they're not
00:39:28
with the Bible and that is about it and
00:39:31
you know not everything in the Bible is
00:39:32
bad but it's just you
00:39:34
know sometimes you just got to learn how
00:39:36
to do other things right it's like your
00:39:39
brain works other ways um it's true and
00:39:42
I think that's the other thing like I
00:39:43
mean I still go to a church and I I
00:39:45
would still consider myself a Christian
00:39:47
but it's very much different from what I
00:39:49
grew up with because I think there is
00:39:51
that balance you know like uh we believe
00:39:54
what the Bible says but also like we
00:39:56
believe that the gave us all of these
00:39:58
resources for a reason like why are we
00:40:00
trying to like limit people and control
00:40:02
people and like that's not the way he
00:40:03
would want anyone to live so yeah yeah I
00:40:07
think it's it's very fascinating and
00:40:08
everyone's Journey down all of that is
00:40:11
so fascinating to me yeah man that is
00:40:16
that's a lot to unpack but is a lot I'm
00:40:19
glad I'm glad you've kind of come out
00:40:21
the other side of it and obviously I'm
00:40:23
sure there are things that you know
00:40:25
there's just things that we will always
00:40:26
continue to deal with as as we go
00:40:27
through life but I'm glad to hear that
00:40:31
you're kind of out of it out of the
00:40:32
worst of it it sounds like yes yes we
00:40:34
made it to the other side we're good and
00:40:36
now I feel like it's fun to be able to
00:40:38
help other people who might be going
00:40:39
through that I think Church HT is just
00:40:40
such a real thing and so yeah being able
00:40:43
to be a resource for for people who've
00:40:45
gone through that is yeah super
00:40:47
important to me because it's it's a lot
00:40:49
yeah no it is it is well and it's cool
00:40:52
too that you're like your dad somebody
00:40:55
who was a prominent figure inside of a
00:40:57
big church is able to also like
00:41:01
hopefully help people and share his
00:41:02
story and share you know and and heal
00:41:05
from his own past stuff is also very
00:41:08
very important um and you know I tell
00:41:11
people this all the time I'm like it's
00:41:12
never too late to go get some help it's
00:41:14
never too late you know and you know you
00:41:17
alluded this to this as well but like
00:41:19
you know families that can then like
00:41:21
talk about the stuff that happened
00:41:24
behind closed doors
00:41:27
like I feel still so close to my parents
00:41:30
yeah and we have gone through stuff
00:41:33
right there has needed to be apologies
00:41:35
there's needed to be relearning and we
00:41:36
don't agree on everything but we're
00:41:39
we're still like they're still my folks
00:41:41
I still love them I still want to go see
00:41:43
them they still come visit me like
00:41:44
there's no cutting off yeah but it's
00:41:46
because they were also open to the fact
00:41:48
that to have conversation and to heal
00:41:50
and learn and be good people basically
00:41:54
yeah yeah that's the key and also I feel
00:41:57
like
00:41:57
I'm so excited about like our generation
00:42:00
and you mentioned this on your last
00:42:02
podcast that you are not sure if you and
00:42:04
your wife want kids and my me and my
00:42:05
husband are also not sure we all kids
00:42:07
but thinking about this generation I
00:42:10
feel like we've come such a long way
00:42:11
with all of our mental health and
00:42:14
conversations and like all that kind of
00:42:17
stuff and just creating our opinions
00:42:18
that I think are so much healthier than
00:42:20
the past couple Generations that I'm
00:42:22
just excited to see what happens I think
00:42:24
it'll be really cool yeah no I
00:42:27
I agree with you and I think whether you
00:42:30
want kids whether you don't want kids
00:42:31
you know it's up in the air whatever it
00:42:34
like yeah you can still be involved in
00:42:36
people's lives in a meaningful and
00:42:39
helpful way right
00:42:41
and I've had so many people throughout
00:42:44
the years now who have come to me and
00:42:46
been you know or like or come to my
00:42:49
parents and then they've pointed me them
00:42:50
to me of just like hey like this kid is
00:42:53
struggling with X or they want to go
00:42:54
into what and you know and and we can
00:42:56
just have conversation I met a home
00:42:57
school family I live in Tennessee now I
00:42:59
met a homeschool family here and we were
00:43:01
just like you know I was yucking it up
00:43:03
with them about the fact that I was like
00:43:05
it gets better right like you can make
00:43:07
friends and like you know all these
00:43:09
things and like we were just joking
00:43:10
about it but you know but also
00:43:12
encouraging them that it's like you know
00:43:13
if you want to go to college like yeah
00:43:15
we can make that happen you know it's
00:43:17
easy you know yeah that kind I know yeah
00:43:19
it's so true and so yeah so I say that
00:43:22
to say even if you don't have kids you
00:43:24
can still impact the next generation of
00:43:25
people 100% going to be bosses you're
00:43:27
going to work in work places and you get
00:43:29
to you get to yeah make a
00:43:32
difference yeah that's very cool okay
00:43:37
very cool no this has been a great
00:43:38
conversation Michaela because I I wasn't
00:43:41
I I wasn't sure where we were going to
00:43:44
go with this you know we kind of flying
00:43:46
by the seat of our pants but um but I
00:43:49
love it I love what this conversation
00:43:50
has gone and um no and I just want to
00:43:54
say thank you for coming on because like
00:43:56
and reaching out and you know saying
00:43:57
what's up oh yeah absolutely I think
00:44:00
that's what I when he says email like
00:44:03
you can email him you can message him
00:44:04
like do it that's what I did I just
00:44:06
reached out dm' you and I was like yeah
00:44:08
it's so great like it's so fun to hear
00:44:10
everybody and it's just fun to catch up
00:44:12
with people so do it yes yeah no and and
00:44:15
reach out to each other too if you see
00:44:17
somebody on here and you're like you're
00:44:20
like oh my gosh I haven't seen them in
00:44:21
forever like shoot them a DM shoot film
00:44:24
a quick video and send it over on
00:44:26
Instagram or text
00:44:29
get reconnected these
00:44:30
fol a lot of we're very different people
00:44:32
now you and I think reconnecting with
00:44:37
our friends from the past and you know
00:44:40
I'm I'm making better friends with
00:44:41
people that I never thought I would ever
00:44:43
be friends with again um people I never
00:44:46
even like gave a second thought to after
00:44:48
I was out you know I was like oh okay I
00:44:50
never you know I never have to see them
00:44:51
again okay whatever um you know they're
00:44:54
coming back into my lives and I'm
00:44:55
realizing that there's so many people
00:44:56
out there that are just like amazing
00:44:58
people and so again like you said Mak
00:45:01
yeah no go ahead I was going to say
00:45:03
making friends as adults is hard but
00:45:05
like we have this entire group of people
00:45:07
who shared our experiences so it's
00:45:09
definitely worth like making friends
00:45:11
with them again yeah absolutely and uh
00:45:14
yeah and like Michaela said uh if you
00:45:16
want to re out me absolutely please do
00:45:18
that I'm on Instagram Tik Tok
00:45:21
threads at exhs club or you can email me
00:45:26
at exh just [email protected]
00:45:29
um yeah just shoot me a message say
00:45:31
what's up you know and we can chat even
00:45:33
if it's not on recording we we'll chat
00:45:35
we we'll hang out um M this has been
00:45:38
great in is there anything we missed or
00:45:42
that has come to your mind of a cringey
00:45:44
homeschool moment that you're like you
00:45:46
got to leave the people with that's so
00:45:48
funny uh I don't know about a cringey
00:45:50
homeschool moment but I do have this
00:45:51
vivid memory that I want to know if you
00:45:53
remember also um so we had a friend his
00:45:57
name is Ryan Reynolds not the actor but
00:45:59
just Ryan Reynolds well he was an actor
00:46:01
but he was not Ryan Reynold yes not the
00:46:04
Ryan Reynolds um but I just remember
00:46:07
that one year for his birthday he wanted
00:46:10
to no we were throwing him a surprise
00:46:12
party his mom put this whole thing
00:46:13
together and so there was probably like
00:46:15
what 25 of us at his house waiting for
00:46:18
him do you remember this I think I think
00:46:20
so I think I think I know where you're
00:46:21
going and I'm trying not to kill the
00:46:22
punch line on this one but yeah I think
00:46:24
I know where you're going waiting at his
00:46:26
house we got there early it's like 6:30
00:46:29
and everyone is so excited because Ryan
00:46:32
was a jokester so like the fact that we
00:46:33
could pull a fast one on him was like
00:46:36
yes we we're doing something great here
00:46:38
yes so his brother who's supposed to
00:46:39
pick him up walks in the front door and
00:46:41
is like hey and then his mom's like
00:46:43
where's Ryan and Stephen's like I
00:46:46
thought you were gonna get him and she
00:46:48
was like no that was your job and so
00:46:49
everyone's like oh no the part is ruined
00:46:51
and then out pops Ryan from a closet the
00:46:55
front room we're all hiding these like
00:46:57
surprise he's like I put this all
00:46:59
together it's a surprise on you guys and
00:47:01
you had the best reaction you were like
00:47:03
are you kidding me and you like walked
00:47:05
out and you pretended to just lead the
00:47:06
party and I always thought that was so
00:47:09
funny I do remember that oh my gosh yeah
00:47:12
no I always refer that was the party
00:47:13
that Ryan came out of the closet um yes
00:47:16
yes that was joke and yeah I would I
00:47:19
tell people that you know what's even
00:47:20
funnier about that party was that when I
00:47:22
got there I was wearing a coat cuz it
00:47:24
was like which like I mean you live in
00:47:26
SoCal like you don't need to wear a coat
00:47:28
but like what six days out of the year
00:47:30
um anyway I was wearing a coat I walked
00:47:32
in I took my jacket off and I was like
00:47:34
oh I'm just going to like put it in this
00:47:36
closet right here and then and then I
00:47:38
don't know why I don't know if someone
00:47:39
distracted me or what but I like ended
00:47:41
up not putting in the closet and I'm so
00:47:43
glad I didn't because that's where he
00:47:44
was and I told him he's like I would
00:47:46
have just grabbed you and pulled you in
00:47:48
the closet and you would just had to be
00:47:49
in here with me I was like that would
00:47:51
have made it even one more step funny of
00:47:53
like Jacob and Ryan came out of the
00:47:55
closet together um would have been
00:47:58
hilarious wow that just added to the
00:48:00
whole the whole night I didn't even know
00:48:02
that that's so funny yeah no but love
00:48:04
Ryan Ryan if you're listening to this
00:48:07
reach out dude like come on the show
00:48:08
let's let's chat because I know you're
00:48:09
doing big things now so um yeah Michaela
00:48:14
this has been awesome thank you again
00:48:15
for reaching out and coming on and
00:48:17
sharing your story and the door is
00:48:20
always open if you ever want to come
00:48:21
back you're more than welcome to and um
00:48:24
people reach out to Michaela say hi tell
00:48:26
her what's up yeah you know and um
00:48:28
absolutely yeah all right this has been
00:48:30
the ex homeschoolers Club I said it
00:48:32
before I'll say it again reach out to me
00:48:35
leave a like leave a subscribe do all of
00:48:36
the things you need to do on whatever
00:48:38
platform you're listening on and uh you
00:48:41
know what I'm going to do one more call
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00:48:50
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00:48:52
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