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I remember as a young kid, you know, driving past the school and all the homeschool kids, we would joke like wave
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to the prisoners or like when kids were on a school bus, we would act like it was a jail bus. When I was
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homeschooling, they didn't really approach controversial topics. But once you go into community college, you are
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maybe more in depth covering evolution, then I'm feeling kind of this religious
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pull because I had done religious curriculum, religious schooling. Am I denying my faith or am I doing something
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wrong? There always is a little something that I can spot in other homeschoolers. And it's never a bad
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thing, but it always hurts a little bit when someone's like, "Are you homeschool?" Like, when people notice it
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in me, I'm like, "Uh, I haven't recovered as much as I thought."
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>> Well, Lauren, welcome to the Ex Homeschoolers Club. I'm so stoked to
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have you here. >> Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited.
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>> We are kind of new new exhomie friends and um I appreciate so much you reached
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out to me via DM and and you do some really cool content stuff and so we were like talking about a way to collaborate
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and I was like okay well you got to come on the show and tell your homeschool story. So I'm just going to like hand it
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over to you for a few minutes. Tell me a little bit about your homeschool experience, where you grew up, siblings,
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you know, that kind of a thing. set the stage a little bit for us of like your homeschool experience.
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>> Yeah. Well, first I was really excited to find your channel because as the next
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homeschooler, I'm looking for content about people who homeschooled like me and there's not a lot of it out there,
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especially now the content about homeschooling has shifted a lot um after COVID, I think. So, it was really great
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to see that. And for anybody that knows my content, they'll definitely love your
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content and the exhomeschoolers club because it's right right in the same kind of vein as what I do. But my name
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is Lauren and I run a YouTube channel called Unreligiously where I talk about evangelicalism in the United States. I
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personally grew up very deep into the evangelical church. I homeschooled for most of my life, went to church four or
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five days a week. Um, yeah, just very very religious upbringing. So, I talk a lot about, yeah, just cultural
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commentary really on evangelicalism in the US. Um, I started homeschooling right out the gate, right in preschool.
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My family was not leaning towards homeschooling initially um because of religion or anything like that. they had
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put my older brother in public school and just with his ADHD and most of my siblings we have ADHD um they found that
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there were some struggles in the elementary school years. So their plan was to pull my brother out and me um
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when I entered school and just do that homeschooled and then we would go to public school um at some kind of I don't
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know unidentified time. Um but it went really really well. they felt like and my younger brother and my younger
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sister. I have three siblings, so all of us ended up homeschooling and they felt
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like it went really well. So, we just kept doing it. But we did always have the option to go to public school. So, I
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personally did choose to go to the local public school in 8th grade and then partially in 9th grade. And then I went
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back to homeschooling after that so that I could do more testing out of college classes and just more of a college path
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after that. It was a lot easier to do that through homeschooling than through the public high school system.
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>> What's really interesting about what you said there is like you kind of were also
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given a choice which I think like >> a lot of us didn't really get. I know
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that was a discussion that happened in my house around high school of like you know do you want to stick with this? it
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was working. So, it didn't >> also the high school I wanted to go to where any of my potential friends would
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have gone, I wasn't in that school district. So, I would I would have gone to a completely different high school.
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So, it became a really no-brainer for me to be like, I don't really want to go to
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public high school. But, that's so interesting that like it was a choice for you because I just feel like it's
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really not for most homeschoolers because >> I mean, I'm sure you ran into this or
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have run into this of like that messaging of like public school is bad and it's going to corrupt your kids. So
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like did that exist in your house and your parents were just like were willing to kind of like fight against that and
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like you know be a part of Lauren's education even if she does go to public school.
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>> Yeah. So I think when they started out they both had gone to public school. So
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when they started out homeschooling it really didn't have this religious backing but my family is religious
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right. Um, like I said, I grew up deep in the evangelical church. And there just so happens to be, and especially at
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the the time frame in the late 90s and early 2000s when we were homeschooling. There ended up being a lot of messaging
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around homeschooling saying that you need to pull your kids from school so that they don't fall into these evils or
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um really just that you don't let somebody else raise your kid. I hear that line a lot. Don't let the public
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school system raise your kid for you. Um, and that if you want godly children, you have to raise them up yourself. And
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so that messaging definitely did creep in over time. I remember as a young kid, you know, driving past a school and all
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the homeschool kids, we would joke like wave to the prisoners or like when kids were on a school bus, we would act like
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it was a jail bus. Um, which in hindsight is not funny, but we definitely did view school as,
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yeah, kind of a prison for children. like sitting in a class eight hours a day in indoctrination. I don't know if
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that's something that that necessarily my parents ever said to me. I don't
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think they would ever say that or if that was just more culturally what kind of came about. But by the time that I
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decided to home or to public school, I should say. Um I don't think they were
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thrilled about it. I don't think that it was like an equal option in their mind.
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I think that um they would have preferred that I had homeschooled because of kind of the cultural
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conversation at that time. Well, they were probably stoked when you were like, "Okay, I want back." Uh, yes. They want
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back into the the thing. You know what's interesting is like like you said, like
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it's not necessarily that your parents were sending the message of like, "Oh,
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that's indoctrination." Or anything like that because like my parents were the
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same way. I went to public school for a couple years. Um, I started homeschooling in second grade, did it
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all the way through. My sister >> kindergarten through through high school
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was homeschooled. Um, and so my parents never viewed public education as like I think truly evil or at least that was
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never the messaging we got, right? And so >> it's really the reason they pulled me
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out had to do more with the school systems in the area. They just were like the test scores are not where we want
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them to be. We think we can do better, yada yada yada. So it's it's interesting
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that like we didn't really get that messaging necessarily from our parents, but yet it still creeps in from like who
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is it? Like for me it was the other homeschool families. It just kind of that subliminal messaging. Was that kind
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of the same for you of like it was just other homeschool friends? >> Yes. I think it was other homeschool
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families maybe who didn't have the option to go to public school. They were I think public school was used as a
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threat in those families. If you're not behaving, you're not doing your school.
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That's kind of a cliche, but in my family, going to public school was never used as a threat. Um, but I think to
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these other kids it was like truly this is the bad thing that will happen to you
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if you don't succeed in homeschooling. And so there were these negative ideas
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about it. And then alongside that a lot of people who leave or start homeschooling and previously were in
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public school if they make that big life shift there a lot of times were problems
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with the public school that they went to. whether they were getting bullied and there wasn't really any way for them
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to work that out or they had, you know, ADHD like my brother and it just there wasn't enough staff to really
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accommodate all the kids. They didn't have a good experience while they were
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in public school. So, you're also hearing firsthand from these other elementary schoolers being like, "It was
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terrible. Everyone, you know, I don't know, was terrible." Basically. >> Yeah. Exactly. You do hear it's like a
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prison, right? Or it's like, like you said with the ADHD thing, it's like they
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couldn't they couldn't meet me where I was or there wasn't the the services.
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I've had multiple parents on here who talk about like their kid needs a service and the school just can't
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provide it. So what's the option? Well, let's just pull them out and do it at
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home cuz we can give that to them. And I think that's like a very it's an
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interesting place where we exist because I think that that's a valid >> thought, right, and a valid reason to do
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it. Um, I just had a public school teacher on recently and she was talking about the the need also for parents to
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go to like the schoolboard meetings and voice the fact that it's like we have
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kids in this district who need these services. How do we get them to them? What what do we need to do? Who do we
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need to elect? How do we need to allocate the money? Like let's do that thing so that we can provide those. Um,
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so it's a it's a very it's a complicated issue, right? It's like there's not
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really just a like one-sizefits-all band-aid that we can slap on this thing and be like, "Hey, everybody's happy and
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every problem is fixed." >> Yeah. And that's why I always will say
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to people, especially, you know, people, friends of mine that knew that I homeschooled and now they're thinking
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about homeschooling their kids, they'll come to me and I'm honest about what I
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think are the drawbacks of homeschooling for some people, but I'm also honest
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that for some kids, I think it can be a really great option. It can be a beautiful thing. It can definitely
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be the best educational option in some cases if you're doing it right. And that's why I think it's important that
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some of us older homeschoolers are having conversations like these so that we can tell parents, hey, maybe this
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isn't such a great way of doing it or maybe there are better options because
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I'm sure that you also have improvements that you could make if you were to ever
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homeschool your children. I think I had a good homeschool education, but if I were to ever homeschool children, I
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would make some changes. Um, and I think that new homesooled parents coming in, they want to do the right thing. These
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parents are not quitting their jobs and, you know, teaching their children at home full-time because they don't want
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to invest in their children. So, I think giving them the resources to actually do
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it well is just really, really important. Um, and we'll also make it more obvious when homeschooling isn't
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done well then because there will be kind of this standard of how it how it is done well. So what do you So in that
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kind of vein then like what is it that you think your parents did well in your schooling and then what did they not do
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so well? >> What they did really well was giving me autonomy over my education. I and again
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this is going to be different for every child. If you have a kid who doesn't
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like school at all and they're not motivated just saying do whatever you want might not actually be serving that
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child in the best way. But my family really gave me the opportunity to do what I wanted to do and to set really
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high goals for myself. So what I set as my goal was to graduate um with my two-year degree, my associates degree
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before I graduated high school because of the way that the college and high school graduation dates line up. Um and
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so I was able to do that by going back into the homeschool system. Whereas, if I would have stayed in the public school
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system, they actually only selected the top, I want to say two or three kids to be able to go to the college, whereas
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the colleg's rules are just that you have to be able to test in at a college
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level. >> Okay. >> Um, so I was able to test in at a college level and do that through
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homeschooling, whereas I was not in the top two students at the public school, so I wouldn't have been able to go do
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that. So, it really did save me a lot of money and give me a lot more exposure to
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other things. Um, and yeah, I think that was a huge positive that would not have
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been possible without homeschooling. Are we talking like kind of a dual enrollment situation where you're like,
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"Okay, I'm going to take math, science, whatever at the college." And that's
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also going to correspond and and translate to my high school education as well where you're taking it once or are
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you like, "Hey, I'm doing two separate classes that are this is high school and
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this is college level." So kind of a mixture of both just because of the nature of homeschooling I guess. Um I
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did throughout so I went through 8th grade and freshman year to public school and then after that I
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took like one art class at the public school right um to maintain connections there but otherwise I was testing out of
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classes. I was not going on campus. I was getting textbooks. It's called KIPP.
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>> It's college level >> entrance something. I don't know. But
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it's in Minnesota. It's called a KIPP. And you just read the textbook, go and
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take the test, and if you pass, you get the college credit. So, I was doing a mixture of that, homeschool classes, and
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then the public high school, one art class. Once I became a junior, then I was just full-time at the college, and
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that was that was dual enrollment. and I I stopped going to the public high school or doing homeschool classes on my
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own >> because I I did some club exams as well, right? It's like so I I'm I'm totally
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familiar with that and um that was like >> uh that saved me in college because I I
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ended up doing college in three years because I did summer school and then also had some club exams under my belt
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and that was a part of that. >> I had looked at doing the college high school thing and it was just a little
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bit too much for me. Um, >> and so yeah, but we had that dual enrollment thing was that was the piece
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that was too much. I could totally pick up a textbook and then go test out of something.
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>> But let's talk about that experience cuz I'm I obviously you had gone
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>> for a year, year and a half uh to a public school. So now transitioning,
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you're in high school and now you're going to a community college and a local
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college. How's that transition? Because like did you grow up with co-ops and
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existing in a space where like you had to be in a classroom setting at all or was it very like hey we're doing school
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at the dining room table kind of a thing like I I don't know socialization comes
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up a lot with homeschoolers right of like how we interact when we do get to like a college level we have to be in a
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classroom or at a job or anything like that. So was that difficult in high school to transition into like a college
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kind of class or was it fairly easy? The community college was a hard transition
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for me because when I was homeschooling and then even at the public school, they
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didn't really approach controversial topics. But once you go into community college, you are maybe more in depth
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covering evolution. Um whereas then I'm feeling kind of this religious pull because I had done religious curriculum,
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religious schooling primarily feeling am I denying my faith or am I doing something wrong? Um because there's also
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this comparison to public school as being an exposure to sin, an exposure to the world. So I really felt like maybe
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this is my test too, like maybe this is my exposure to that. So I I think I had a lot more of a culture shock and just
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realizing like a lot of these things are actually normal and it's okay to >> have different opinions. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. No, I think that's that's such an interesting thing because like
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>> my culture shock had less to do with with religion because I went to I went
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to a Christian college. So I and I picked that specifically because I was like I want the like the youth group
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feel. I want that like okay for the most part everybody I'm going to meet is
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going to believe very similar to me. Yeah. we're going to have our differences. But it's interesting
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because I remember my my sister went to uh a local community college and you know and she came home and she was
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like, "Oh yeah, like I'm in class with this this gay guy and and we're talking
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about this in class and like all these different things and I'm like I just can't
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it wasn't until I was out of college that I really I think felt the first major exposure to those things." So
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you're talking >> 21 years old, 22 years old. Like that's when that hit for me as opposed to like
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I mean you're talking 16 17 years old all of a sudden it's like yeah those are
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the big things that if you grew up religious we don't talk about these things we don't push these agendas we
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don't whatever and yeah there is that combating kind of like can I even read
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this textbook can I engage with this conversation like yeah let's talk a little bit about that
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because like I I'm wondering like I don't know if it's just the part of me
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that loves to play devil's advocate, but I have always I have always kind of been
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that person who like I just kind of like poking at people with the opposite of their opinion or viewpoint.
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>> Yeah. >> So maybe that wasn't quite as hard for me, but it was this denying of like my
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faith like when it came to abortion and and you know, >> gay marriage and evolution and stuff
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like that, like I liked picking the side of like pro those things. So, >> but I also felt kind of dirty about it.
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So, like, yeah. >> What was what was going through your head as you were sitting in science
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class and you're like, "Okay, we're studying evolution now. What am I
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supposed to do with this?" >> Yeah. I had kind of this >> like God's not dead moment. It was very
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immature, but I remember coming home and just being like, "We're talking about
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Earth science and I don't believe in evolution." I had grown up being taught
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creationism. I believed that the Earth was 6,000 years old. And so I knew I understood that this other viewpoint was
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out there, but writing the correct answers down felt like they were asking me to deny my faith, which they were
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not. Um, they were quizzing me on the textbook material whether I agreed with it or not. Right. But it was very
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Yeah, that was very difficult to me. I was kind of encouraged by the people around me to stand for my faith and not
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write the actual real answers like to write God as the answer or creation. I did not do that. I had I really
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struggled with it. I dealt with a lot of anxiety around it. Um and a lot of I'll
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give other examples too, but I really struggled with it and feeling like is it okay for me to do this? Is it okay that
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I'm in these environments? Um, another example, just like you were talking about having so many different kinds of
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people in one class. I went from being homeschooled to being a 16-year-old in the class and I learned what like being
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gender fluid was. This was in my sign language class and I remember that was like I had never heard of that before.
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This was back in like 2013 or 14, so no one really was talking about this stuff.
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And I remember just being like, yeah, is it even okay that I'm here, that I'm
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being exposed to this? Like, I just was really concerned about those things. And it came up in a lot of
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ways. You know, we also were of the type of Christianity that didn't believe in
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yoga. I didn't know that until I had signed up for a yoga course. And that was my gym credit. I couldn't kind of
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just get out of that. And so there were really weird mental gymnastics I was doing where, you know, my Christian
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friends were like, "We're going to pray for you and then while you're in yoga,
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just be praying the entire time so that you're not possessed by like the spiritual music that's playing or the
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positions that you're doing." And so that was kind of a a bit of a head game.
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And then even with art class, my intro to art class had a nude model. And um I was advised, which this is another thing
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I did not do, but they were going to have a man come in and be a nude artist. And I was kind of talking about my
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like moral concerns about going to that class with some some mentors of mine. And they encouraged me to look up
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pictures of infants so that when I go to this art class, I would never have to look up at the adult man and I could
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just draw infant genitalia, which is so much worse, so much grosser, weirder, >> wronger. Um, and so like I think there
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was a lot of confusion for me going in this environment where people were a lot more just accepting and liberal and
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trying these things and I had not seen anything like that. Everyone that I knew lived exactly like
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me. It was my only view of the world. But now in hindsight I credit a lot of those things or um like one of the
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programs run by the Muslim Student Association. I credit those types of things for really pushing me forward in
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life and opening my mind because I couldn't imagine without those experiences, you know, what kind of
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adult I would be now. Um, today, >> yeah, the yoga thing is so interesting
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because it it's reminding me of I I had a I was a dancer back in the day. I did
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swing and ballroom and English country, a lot of the weird homeschooly type stuff, but it was fun. It's fun. And
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it's, you know, um that was my mom's way of kind of being like, "Hey, Jacob's
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going to need to know how to talk to girls, so like let's put him in dance class." Um kind of a thing. And hey, it
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worked. So, um but anyway, but I had an I had a back injury from from a dance accident. And it was so funny because in
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therapy, they had me do yoga. And I remember not really thinking much of it at the time, but just kind of being
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like, "Okay, this is what the doctor's telling me to do." You know, whatever.
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It feels good. it helps, you know, it's taking the pain away. >> And I remember posting about it on
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Facebook or something about how these yoga stretches were like really helping me and the flood of comments of people
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being like that is demonic, that is evil, sinful, you need to repent and like all these things. And I was like,
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how can something that's helping me so much and something that not only I use,
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but like my parents were, you know, I was teaching them like, hey, here we do this and this will like open you up and
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all these different things. you know, we're all using this thing at my house
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and somehow this is evil and wicked and we've been deceived uh by that and so
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>> kind of along that same lines other gods. >> Exactly. I'm like I'm not sitting here,
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you know, praying to praying to the Buddha. I'm just like I'm just, you know, using my body and and being
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flexible and things like that. And so it's just funny because I I credit that
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with similar to you of like that was an eye opening experience where it was like
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>> I think the first time where I was like I really just don't believe that this is
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wrong like this this can't be a sinful thing like our bodies are designed to
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move and they are you know >> I don't know um I also just would put my
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always tell myself my own interpretation. I'm like what do you think Jesus did for 40 days in the
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wilderness? He probably did some yoga poses, you know, like I not just sitting there.
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>> Exactly. Like, um, so yeah. Well, let's Okay, so so now that we've gotten
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through high school, >> did we move on to like a four-year? Obviously, you would have transferred in
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probably in like a sophomore, junior year level, but did you go to college after after that?
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>> Yes. So, I didn't really know what I wanted to do um after I graduated high
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school, but I had my associates and everyone at the community college gave me really good advice. A lot of them
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were, you know, older adults, much older adults who were coming back to school and they just encouraged me like just go
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and get a degree and it doesn't matter what it was. And for me, that ended up
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being really good advice. I wasn't, you know, my dream is now to become like a
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doctor or something. So, I went and I just moved on and got a communications degree from a four-year college
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marketing degree. And that was honestly, I think because it was people my age, it
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was almost less of a culture shock. Um, because the community college, you know,
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we were there was just a lot of people at different life stages. So, I think I was exposed to more. So, I think it was
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actually almost easier going into the four-year college environment with a bunch of other 18-year-olds. And I also
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felt like that style of college felt more like co-op to me where you have class once a week.
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>> Um, then you're doing all your homework for the week. A lot of it is self-led,
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not all of it because you do have a teacher, but I I liked the scheduling in college a lot more than in high school
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um when you didn't have as much control. I'm wondering too because one of the
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things I realized when I got to college was some of the sheltering that had existed in my home school experience. So
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like there was a lot of pop music and just like pop culture in general that I had just kind of missed. And I wasn't
00:24:31
totally like removed from everything. Like I did go to the movies. I was allowed to do that. I did listen to
00:24:36
music and I knew who some pop stars were but just not everybody >> and that kind of a thing. But when I got
00:24:42
to college, because I majored in music business, >> all of a sudden I had to play so much
00:24:47
catchup of like who is Kanye West, you know. Um, which you know that like that was a big one. Um, I remember just like
00:24:55
hours and hours listening to hiphop and rap and like learning all of the boy bands. I just posted about this on on
00:25:01
one of my social medias about like I didn't know who like any of the boy bands were and like having to learn all
00:25:06
of that one direction was like at the height of their popularity. like and I was like, "Okay, I need to know
00:25:11
everything there is to know about these things." And so, was there anything like
00:25:14
that in college where you're like, "Okay, I'm with my peers and yeah, I
00:25:17
feel more comfortable and maybe that's less of a culture shock, but did you were you missing out on any of the pop
00:25:22
cultury type stuff?" >> Yeah. Yeah, we missed out on a lot of that. I think
00:25:27
I think my family used what is it called? It's not focus on the plugged in is maybe it's called.
00:25:34
>> Yeah. Um, they use plugged in when we were younger to kind of screen what
00:25:38
movies and books we would read. We weren't allowed to watch Pokemon or Power Rangers or whatever, you know,
00:25:44
just kind of shows that certain Disney movies maybe that had too like much magic in them, stuff like that. And then
00:25:53
as I got older, just a lot of the more pop like Twilight I wasn't allowed to
00:25:56
watch. So, I do feel like even still into my adult life, um even just the other day I was out at dinner and there
00:26:02
was like four movies. People were like, "Have you seen this?" And I'm like,
00:26:04
"Just assume I haven't seen any of it." Um because we really didn't watch TV
00:26:12
that often and then when we did it was pretty regulated, which I honestly think probably a net positive. I I don't think
00:26:21
I would go so far um if I had my own kids in monitoring things or like do I need to read the book before my child
00:26:28
reads it? Probably not. Um but I do also think with how prevalent stuff on the internet is right now. I do think that
00:26:37
more parents could probably be doing more research into what their kids are consuming. So there is kind of I don't
00:26:42
know this middle middle area to the extremes that I think is probably >> probably healthy. But definitely in
00:26:48
college, I would say the the media, so the the music that I listened to, the mo movies that I had watched, shows I had
00:26:55
watched, all of that was pretty limited. I didn't really know what people were talking about. And
00:27:01
actually, it was to the point where my nickname for the first two, well, I went to college for three years because I
00:27:06
added a minor at the end, but they nicknamed me Amish for the first two years. Um, and like there was kind of
00:27:15
this running backstory that was a joke that I had escaped a cult and like was on my Rumspringer or whatever. And um,
00:27:23
uh, someone gifted me once like an Amish romance novel because it just was so obvious to other people and you know,
00:27:29
fortunately we all had good humor about it and they understood that it's like,
00:27:33
yeah, Lauren's just not going to know. But I noticed that a lot more. Yeah. Yeah. When I went to college,
00:27:40
>> that's funny. Yeah. Uh I fortunat I don't think I had any nicknames like
00:27:45
that but I definitely one of the things >> a blessing probably >> a little bit. Yeah. But I I definitely
00:27:50
one of the things that I did in college I was weirdly really kind of like embarrassed and ashamed of being a
00:27:57
homeschooler. Like when I was at home I don't care but but that's all my friends
00:28:00
were homeschooled. So it's like it didn't really matter. But in college I
00:28:04
had kind of decided I moved across the country. I was moved from California to Illinois. I I had decided like this is
00:28:09
my chance to reinvent myself. I get to be whoever I want to be at college. >> And so I had just made this decision
00:28:16
that I was like, I'm not going to tell anybody I'm homeschooled. I'm just going
00:28:18
to say I went to private school, >> really small, and I'm going to chalk it
00:28:22
up to that. I can, you know, hide behind the religious aspect of like I am in a religious school. So like, you know,
00:28:28
it's probably not going to be that strange that I haven't seen Harry Potter
00:28:31
um or or listen to Kanye West, right? It's like just stuff like that. But I was like, I can kind of like duck behind
00:28:38
some other things and probably get away with it. And what's so funny is I had a
00:28:42
professor who really quickly pulled me into her office and she was like, "Yo,
00:28:46
you got to like learn to chill." And I was like, "What do you mean?" And she's
00:28:49
like, "You're just doing too much." I was like, "I don't even know what that
00:28:51
means." And she's like, "You're just like you talk too much. You're like
00:28:55
you're just like trying too hard to be like a normal kid." And she's like,
00:29:00
"What? Why is that?" And I came clean with her and I was like, "I was
00:29:03
homeschooled." and she's like, "Oh, okay. So, here's what we're going to do.
00:29:08
Take a breath when you're with a group of people. Just like you got to just learn to hang." Like, that's the that
00:29:14
was the thing. And I was like, "Okay." And so, once I get I think I figured it
00:29:17
out fairly quickly. There's definitely still things that people pick up on that
00:29:21
I'm like they're like, "Oh, yeah, that makes that makes sense." When it comes
00:29:24
out that I'm homeschooled, they're like, "Oh, yeah, that definitely makes sense."
00:29:27
There always is a little something that I can spot in other homeschoolers and it's never a bad thing but it always
00:29:32
hurts a little bit when someone's like were you homeschooled like when people
00:29:36
notice it in me I'm like uh I haven't recovered as much as I thought. >> Yeah. It's always just it's something
00:29:43
subtle like I don't like it's it's a way we talk about something or like I Yeah.
00:29:48
Like I like for me it's it's getting called out on like oh you haven't seen
00:29:51
this thing. Typically, it's >> it's that trigger or saying like >> I I mean I didn't watch Harry Potter
00:29:57
till I was an adult, right? So, it's like, you know, I don't have the connection to those movies that other
00:30:02
people do and they're like, >> why is that? >> Well, I was a homeschool kid, guys. And
00:30:09
they're like, oh, okay, this easily, you know, marks it off as as kind of the
00:30:15
you're good. Well, I want to talk let's talk a little bit about kind of what
00:30:19
you're doing now. So I mean you you mentioned about unreligiously and its commentary on
00:30:25
Christianity as it sits today and the religious environment. >> I have kind of I would say binging
00:30:32
probably most of your content. I've been going back through the archives and and
00:30:35
you've got some really cool stuff in there around I mean a lot of topics that
00:30:39
have been hit on in the show before, but like purity culture and deconstruction and those types of things. So tell me a
00:30:46
little bit about like where where did you get the drive to kind of do that and then and then what are you doing over
00:30:53
there and what's the mission? >> Yeah. Well, I feel like just growing up
00:30:56
homeschooling and then with the religious background that I did, I have this cultural background almost that now
00:31:04
we're very decentralized. We can't share with each other. So, I kind of hold it
00:31:09
alone and I wanted to create something where I could connect with other people who either could relate to the
00:31:14
homeschooling or the religious background that I grew up in. Um, we don't focus only on homeschooling. I
00:31:22
definitely have talked a lot about homeschooling. I have videos about kind of comparing the experience of
00:31:28
homeschooling to that of third culture kids, which is where they grow up in one country and then for their entire adult
00:31:34
life, they move somewhere else. So, their adult culture is completely different than what they grew up in
00:31:38
childhood. Um, doesn't really exist anymore for them. I have videos about that. Like you said, purity culture. Um,
00:31:44
and I do a lot of deep dives on individual creators or couples, but I try not to
00:31:53
snark on people. I try to really explain on both sides of you. maybe where the Christian viewpoint would be coming
00:32:00
from. And then also what my viewpoint now would be as somebody who leans atheist, agnostic and um yeah, it's just
00:32:08
not there anymore. But I don't have hard feelings either towards my upbringing. I
00:32:13
don't think extremism is healthy in any form. So we talk about what what is healthy religion, what is not healthy
00:32:19
religion and kind of all of its forms in America. Recently too, I would say specifically Christian nationalism is a
00:32:25
big topic. Um, the religious liberty commission is operating right now. It's
00:32:33
set for a year period and they're a little bit over halfway through. And part of the religious liberty commission
00:32:39
is talking about education and what's going to be happening for the future of
00:32:43
education. Homeschooling is a part of that. So, I have videos about that and just things that would kind of impact
00:32:48
people who grew up like us um impact their kind of their worlds. >> Yeah. No. And I highly encourage my
00:32:54
audience like if any of this is interesting to you, definitely it's going to be linked down below. If you're
00:32:59
watching on video, it's popping up somewhere on the screen probably as well. But unreligiously is Lauren's
00:33:04
channel. Go deep dive over there. I'm curious a little bit because I'm also
00:33:08
deconstructed Christian. And so if you don't mind like talk a little bit about
00:33:14
that process for you because it's what's so interesting is there was a long time
00:33:19
for me where I felt like it started in college and then I was like no it started when I was like 22 23 I was out
00:33:26
of college kind of a thing but more recently I have really started to realize that my deconstruction started
00:33:32
all the way back like in high school. And >> so anyway, I'm going to I'm going to
00:33:38
turn over to you, but like tell me a little bit about like your deconstruction journey of like where
00:33:42
does it start? What was kind of the the first domino to fall in a lot of senses where you're like, "Okay, something's
00:33:48
not adding up here." >> Yeah. Well, so I I mean, I was always a Christian. I gave my heart to Jesus when
00:33:55
I was 5 years old. Um and I didn't really question it. All of my friends were Christians. Um grew up
00:34:02
homeschooling like we've talked about. So, we were kind of in that bubble where
00:34:05
there wasn't a lot of other viewpoints. But I do think that then once I went to
00:34:11
public school and then community college, I was starting to grapple with these questions a lot more, thinking
00:34:18
about things like, can I write this answer on my test? And if not, why does God care that like God knows that I
00:34:26
really believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, so why does God care if I'm
00:34:30
writing the correct answer down on a test to get the the right points or why does God care if I'm stretching to help
00:34:36
my physical injury? I think I just had a lot more of these, not I don't even want
00:34:40
to say they're like deep theological questions, but really these practical life questions about religion coming up
00:34:46
for me. And then there also was a lot of pressure on me at my church. Um, we I think because we were homeschooled and a
00:34:54
lot of other people were homeschooled, they would use the kids to set up and tear down because we were a church
00:35:00
plant. We didn't have a permanent building. Yeah. >> So, like on youth group days, we'd be
00:35:05
getting there at 3:00 and wouldn't be leaving till 10:00 because we'd be
00:35:08
setting up and tearing down. And they had like another homeschooler learn to code and she did the website for
00:35:14
everything for the church. like we just were very we were worked very hard. I think
00:35:21
um my my little brother is another example. He was like not even old enough to be in youth group and they had him
00:35:27
actually running the worship team for a youth group with kids older than him because again it's just like when you're
00:35:33
homeschooled people think you have a lot of free time which in some cases you might but you know it it was a lot of
00:35:40
pressure. So that all really led to my deconstruction. and I had to start really thinking about these topics,
00:35:44
thinking about is it worth it for me to stay. Um, but I didn't actually stop
00:35:49
believing in God until I was probably 24 or 25 years old. I would say I it really
00:35:56
took me a long time to even admit to myself really basic things like I don't
00:36:01
believe in hell anymore. it. I I remember not believing in hell for a few years before I could even tell my
00:36:07
childhood best friend who had also deconstructed. Um because I was so scared that I don't even know that if I
00:36:14
spoke it out loud that then I would go to hell or I could be leading my friends astray and down the wrong path because
00:36:21
of my own unbelief. And so there was just a lot of fear and silence wrapped up in it. But the funny part is that now
00:36:27
that I have deconstructed and I've talked more openly with my friends about it, obviously I have my
00:36:33
YouTube channel so people know it. It come, you know, come to find out that a lot of people actually were going
00:36:39
through the same process as me on basically the same timeline as me, but none of us felt comfortable enough to
00:36:46
talk about it with each other. Um, so that's kind of really the the events that led to my deconstruction. It's not
00:36:52
anything massive. It's just this anxiety in real life kind of pushing against my
00:36:57
faith, I think. But yeah, now I I still have a positive view of religion in general. I think that you can do
00:37:05
religion in a very healthy way. But I do think that how I grew up with evangelicalism
00:37:11
specifically in America, um, which is kind of the the denomination credited with Christian nationalism, I think that
00:37:18
they have become very legalistic in a lot of ways and may may not be the most healthy thing for most people.
00:37:26
>> One of the things that really struck me with what you just said was like the not
00:37:30
even wanting to tell your like your friends. like >> that was that was difficult for me too
00:37:35
because >> growing up one in the home school community but two in the church
00:37:39
community it's very much like those are your people that is your world for a lot
00:37:45
of it and so even at 24 to come out and say like I don't buy into this anymore is like scary because
00:37:55
all of a sudden like those people for me were still my friends they were still my
00:38:00
connection um to that world. And so there is that like am I just going to be cut out of all of this because I've seen
00:38:08
that happen. >> Yeah. And so there is kind of that like do I am I ready to let go of that?
00:38:16
Because that's what it is to to really publicly say it out loud. And even like
00:38:19
telling my parents like that was just terrifying because >> I know friends who who are are gay or
00:38:26
gender fluid and like when they came out like their parents were like kick them out of the house, get out of here kind
00:38:30
of a thing. And I was like >> not that my I mean I was on my own. I lived on my own like but it just
00:38:36
>> there was that fear in me of like is this it? like is this the end of my
00:38:40
relationship with these people? And so >> yeah, >> but come to find out, as soon as you
00:38:44
talk about it, then other people feel the confidence, right, to be like, oh yeah, like I I'm in the same boat as
00:38:48
you, right? And you're like, holy crap, like >> what? Like why have we not been talking
00:38:53
about this for four years, you know? Like we've been kind of going back and forth with these questions for a while
00:38:58
now. And so I don't know about you, but like I definitely feel so much more confident in talking about those things
00:39:05
with with people even who are still in it because I'm just like >> I just don't think it's a valid enough
00:39:10
reason for you to cut me out of your life and I'm not going to cut you out of
00:39:13
my life just because you believe something different than me. >> Yeah, I would completely agree with
00:39:17
that. I will say one thing that has been hard. I have dealt with people cutting me off because I no longer am a
00:39:24
Christian. Although that hasn't been the primary response from people. I think
00:39:28
the primary response has been people being like deeply disturbed on my behalf. >> Yeah. And then they'll, you know,
00:39:38
they've let me know multiple people, this isn't one person, that they're
00:39:43
praying for me daily for my salvation. And so I think for me too, I've gotten a
00:39:48
lot better about being open about it, but it's also still hard in some ways because it feels like causing people
00:39:55
unnecessary pain or it feels like by being honest that then you're burdening
00:40:00
them with this like this the weight of your soul. I don't know if that's
00:40:04
something that you experienced with your family at all. >> Yeah, I I definitely did. It's it's
00:40:10
really funny because so in college I took a religions class and one of the the goals of that class was we went and
00:40:16
looked at a lot of different church denominations. So I grew up going to Baptist church. Then I went to a
00:40:22
non-denominational church that had a lot of ties to Calvary Chapel. So very similar in that vein.
00:40:27
>> And then I went to a school that was a uh free Methodist school. So anyway, but
00:40:33
the professor his his goal was, hey, we're going to go to all these different
00:40:36
things. So, we went to Catholic mass and then we did free Methodist and we did a
00:40:40
Baptist church and but we also went to a Jewish synagogue and we also went to uh
00:40:44
an Islamic mosque and that was so eye opening because I wanted to go in there and be very
00:40:52
combative. Um because that's just kind of what you're trained to do, right?
00:40:55
Like >> defend the faith. >> Yeah. The Jews and the Muslims, they don't believe the same thing we do. Um
00:41:00
the Jews are a little bit closer, but they just don't have the full picture yet. Um
00:41:05
but so I wanted to be combative and there were definitely people on that trip who were very combative and for
00:41:11
whatever reason when we got there I just was like you know what I'm just going to
00:41:13
hear these people out. >> Yeah. >> And specifically at the mosque the the
00:41:18
leader there he was like the thing with religion is that the reason that we want
00:41:23
to minister and evangelize to each other is because we love each other and because we want to see each other in the
00:41:29
afterlife. That's the goal. That's the whole reason. And so it shifted my view
00:41:33
of like when people do say the things of like I'm praying for you or you know I'm
00:41:38
praying for your salvation. I understand that it comes from a place of love. >> Yeah.
00:41:42
>> It's a little twisted and it's not always the greatest and you know
00:41:46
sometimes you kind of have this tough conversations with people of like hey like this feels really weird. I I don't
00:41:51
love that you do this for me or I I just don't want to talk about it like that.
00:41:55
But that's but if if hopefully they're open enough and willing enough, this is
00:42:00
not always the case, but if they are, there are a lot of times that those people are willing to hear you out and
00:42:04
say like they are not necessarily trying to cause discomfort in your life. And in
00:42:08
the same way, I don't want to cause discomfort in their life of them being worried about my religious anything. I
00:42:15
can't control whether they do or not, but like >> at the end of the day, like
00:42:19
>> I'm good. I'm happy. I'm I'm living my life. I'm enjoying it.
00:42:24
and I'm open and I'm willing to have those conversations with you. I'm not
00:42:27
going to cut you out and I'm not going to cut you off just because you want to
00:42:31
talk about those things. >> Yeah, >> that's just where I exist now. It's this
00:42:35
gray nebulous zone and I'm cool with that and like >> hopefully you can be too. um
00:42:42
>> that that's kind of the place I exist right now and and it's >> it works for some but same point as you
00:42:49
I mean I've lost a couple friends and people along the way that are just kind
00:42:52
of like I can't they can't ride with that and I'm like you know what all good
00:42:56
you go do you focus on you that's fine have you since you have entered adulthood left Christian college as well
00:43:05
have you tried to catch up at all on any of the media any of the movies have you
00:43:09
watched Harry Potter Yes, absolutely. Um, Harry Potter is now like Yeah, I bought them for I think my
00:43:16
birthday this past year. I was like, I got to have the fan. >> Yeah. No, I'm a fan. And what's funny is
00:43:20
now I've like um I got my parents to watch them. So like they're fans now.
00:43:25
Like there's definitely what's been cool about I think me deconstructing is even
00:43:32
like even though a lot of my family is still religious, >> there are areas that they are willing to
00:43:38
kind of loosen up some of the reins around the things that were so tight when we were kids. Because I think you
00:43:45
had mentioned this earlier, parents don't necessarily want bad things for their kids. They want their
00:43:50
kids to grow up in a safe, loving environment. They want to protect them from the evils of the world and they're
00:43:56
kind of just trying the best they can. Sometimes they get really bad advice and they just roll with it. And it's not
00:44:03
until years later that they realize like that was bad advice and I it didn't
00:44:06
really matter. We could have watched Harry Potter and then had a conversation around why
00:44:11
>> magic isn't real or this is witchcraft or whatever. >> Yeah, >> we could have done that. we didn't
00:44:16
because that would that was the harder option as opposed to just being like, "Nope, we're not watching that."
00:44:21
>> And so I think that's been really helpful is I have a lot of people in my
00:44:26
life that are again willing to have that conversation of like, yeah, we screwed up with this thing and we're we're going
00:44:35
to own that, but now let's like be willing to like embrace something new and see does it align with my beliefs or
00:44:44
not. And I keep reminding people who are religious still, I'm like, if you still
00:44:49
believe, then you also have the power of God on your side. >> Yeah. >> And
00:44:55
if you read the Bible, Jesus didn't shy away from the people who disagreed with
00:45:00
him. He went right into the action. He went right into the conversation and all those types of things. And so I I try to
00:45:07
push them to do that same thing. It's like engage with the thing that you're
00:45:10
against so that you understand what it is before you really pass judgment on it. And so
00:45:17
yeah, that's me I guess being really preachy now. But >> no, I think that's really relatable and
00:45:23
it I don't know something that strikes me about watching your videos and then
00:45:27
just from our conversation conversations that we've had together is that you grew
00:45:31
up in California. I grew up in Minnesota and we homeschooled in very different areas. We grew up in different churches,
00:45:39
um, different denominations, but there still are so many similarities to the culture of homeschooling. This un, I
00:45:48
don't know, unidentifiable thing that makes it so we can tell who the other homeschoolers are. Like, it is still the
00:45:55
same, which is really interesting to me. And I wanted to know if you have any theories why that is.
00:46:01
>> Oh, man. I can't figure it out to be honest. that's been like >> that that came up I think like literally
00:46:08
one of my like >> early episodes was a buddy of mine we were talking about
00:46:14
like he's been around the world he's he's a missionary and he he is like he's
00:46:19
like I was in Thailand and I ran into people and like just instantly knew that they were like a homeschool family kind
00:46:25
of a thing and I think that's like what's so it needs to be studied at some
00:46:30
point because like what is that magic thing about the homeschool world that Like is it a is it a smell? Is it a
00:46:38
hormone? Is it a look? Like what is that thing that makes it that way? Because even like
00:46:45
like you said like we grew up thousands of miles apart from each other. >> Yes.
00:46:49
>> Very different but also like very similar. And so also what is shaping and
00:46:54
making those things that has been a recent thing for me where I'm starting to realize I'm like
00:47:00
okay like we got to start studying like how is it that like you know this family
00:47:05
in Minnesota this family in California have other people friends in New Jersey like we all like kind of same timeline
00:47:12
very similar upbringing h >> how why is that what is that thing that is driving that
00:47:19
that piece so I don't have an answer for you But >> it's interesting to think about um I
00:47:26
yeah I've had this conversation with other homeschoolers as well and yeah it's definitely like a well-known the
00:47:31
the X factor. It's like a well-known thing but it's yeah nobody has been able
00:47:35
to >> put their finger on it. So, >> I'm curious. Um, you kind of touched on
00:47:40
it a little bit earlier, but like with this next generation of homeschooling that's coming, I think CO taught a lot
00:47:47
of people a lot of things, right? That, you know, school could come into the house and people could survive and some
00:47:54
people were like, hey, let's like let's make this the permanent thing. >> Um, and so there definitely is this kind
00:47:59
of major uptick right now in homeschooling. And so when you have friends who are coming to you or just
00:48:06
random people who are like, "Hey, I'm thinking about doing this, but I don't
00:48:08
want to mess it up." What is what is I guess like the major thing that you're
00:48:12
like, "Hey, look at this first to decide whether you really want to do this."
00:48:17
>> What I normally say to people is to ask themselves if they're doing it to expand
00:48:23
the kids' world or to kind of reduce the kids world. Because I think there are
00:48:29
parents who homeschool because they want to maybe overprotect. They want to limit what their child is exposed to in
00:48:37
a way that I think does ultimately hurt kids once they enter adulthood. Um I don't think that you should be limiting
00:48:46
access to a quality well-rounded education, knowing that, you know, evolution is a theory, things like that.
00:48:52
that. So, I think if you're pulling your kid out of school so that they have less
00:48:56
in their world, I think that is maybe something that you should reconsider. But if you're doing it to give them more
00:49:02
because your kid has a learning disability and you can give them a better education at home or for me, I
00:49:09
was able to do PSO and get my two-year college degree and save a lot of money. You know, I my world was opened broader
00:49:17
in the end, I think, because of homeschooling. And so I just ask people to kind of ask themselves that question
00:49:23
because the narratives around homeschooling right now are different than they were when we grew up, but
00:49:28
they're still almost entirely fear-based. And that's not to say that they're not legitimate. It is definitely
00:49:35
situation to situation in what area school you're going to, what resources are available. Um, but in a lot of
00:49:41
cases, um, the people that I see homeschooling for religious reasons, for example, they they kind of want to
00:49:47
shrink down the community, shrink down what their kid has access to, um, and all of that. I don't know if that makes
00:49:53
sense, but that's kind of what I direct people to is just what's your motivation
00:49:56
behind it. Um, and then always be willing to change because homeschooling is not going to work for every kid. Um,
00:50:03
I have three siblings. Two of us opted to do public school, two opted not to. Um, and we definitely all learned very
00:50:10
differently and got very different things and experiences out of homeschooling. So, yeah, just being
00:50:16
flexible with yourself, too. If you know it doesn't go well, that that's not a
00:50:19
failure is you being a home or in you being a homeschool parent. Just like if public school doesn't work out, it's not
00:50:25
a necessarily a failure on the school. >> No, I I totally agree with you. That's
00:50:29
something that I've come to realize and like I still I mean it's something I say
00:50:34
a lot on this show of like you got to find the right fit for your kid. I know that like who I am as a person, I
00:50:40
benefited from homeschooling. I would have been fine in public school. I I just I really would have the way my
00:50:46
brain works, the way that I operate as a human being, I would have been fine. My
00:50:49
sister, I I think homeschooling was the best option for her. Um I think she would have needed maybe a different type
00:50:57
of school. But like >> that's that's the thing is it's like my
00:51:02
parents were willing to kind of try an experiment with us to to figure out the things that worked and didn't work. And
00:51:08
so it was never a consistent thing. It was always >> an experiment and a test to see is this
00:51:13
program working? Is this home is this curriculum working? Are these co-ops working? Are these friends working? Yes.
00:51:19
No. If they weren't like we're moving on, we're going to the next thing. And
00:51:23
so >> that is again to your point of just like it is a current it is a continual
00:51:28
optimization to figure out what works best for for kids and in the education world and hopefully it's to expand
00:51:35
because yeah I think that's that's my biggest piece. I I talked about three
00:51:40
previously on a previous episode I talked about three things that I want to see different. The expansion piece is
00:51:44
one of those of just like let's cover so much more than we did in the little
00:51:48
bubble that I existed in. So >> yes. Anyway, Lauren, is there anything else we haven't touched on that you feel
00:51:54
is important? Whether it's homeschool related, religion, ex religion, anything
00:51:58
else, um, before I let you go, >> well, I just am warning people right now
00:52:03
about the religious liberty commission. I think it's going to make really big
00:52:06
changes when it comes to education and not just for homeschoolers. It's going
00:52:10
to make a big difference when it comes to public or sorry, private education, um, online schooling, funding for
00:52:18
schools. It's going to make a big difference in a lot of things. So, I think it's worth paying attention to and
00:52:23
for anybody who watches this, I would just encourage you to t take a look into what is being done right now because no
00:52:30
matter what you choose to do with your kids schooling in the future, this this will impact it.
00:52:35
>> Yeah. No, that's that's a huge that's a huge one. You brought that up when we
00:52:38
chatted previously and I started looking into it >> because of that. And something um again
00:52:44
on a recent episode I had a public school teacher on the biggest piece of advice that she gave for someone like
00:52:49
myself who I'm not planning on having kids. I don't currently have kids but it
00:52:53
is one of those things where I still get a vote on who runs the school programs.
00:52:58
And so being educated on those things and talking to people who who do have kids and and understanding how all of
00:53:04
that's operating like as a whole, I think it's a net positive that we have
00:53:09
well educated kids, we got smart kids and we give them the resources they need, right? So those things are
00:53:14
important to me just as a human being and that's what I want to see my tax money go towards. So educate yourself
00:53:20
people that I'm going to link that down below too so that people can easily find
00:53:24
it. But yeah, go go research that. Lauren, this has been so much fun. I appreciate you coming on.
00:53:28
>> Thank you so much for having me. >> Of course. Of course. And uh to the
00:53:32
audience, of course, it has been the Xomeschoolers club. I hope you enjoyed. If you enjoyed, leave a comment. Let me
00:53:38
know your favorite part. If you got any other questions for Lauren, maybe we'll
00:53:41
have her on do another another part. Be sure to go check out her channel and what she's doing over there. And until
00:53:46
next time, we'll see you. Peace.