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Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4

August 21, 2025 / 53:38

This episode covers the final section of the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye by Joshua Harris, focusing on marriage commitment, intimacy, and the pressures surrounding relationships.

Jacob Gooden discusses chapter 12, titled Redeeming the Time, where Harris shares a story about his reaction to a childhood crush getting married. Gooden critiques Harris's feelings of ownership over past crushes and the pressure to marry.

Gooden reflects on his own experiences around turning 21, including family pressures and the emotional challenges he faced while caring for his dying grandmother. He emphasizes the importance of timing in relationships.

In chapter 13, Ready for the Sack but not for the Sacrifice, Harris discusses the unrealistic expectations of marriage, equating it to a wedding video that omits the mundane aspects of married life. Gooden critiques the notion that marriage is solely about sex and the pressure it creates.

Finally, in chapter 14, What Matters at 50?, Harris outlines qualities to look for in a partner. Gooden challenges Harris's views on modesty and parental involvement in dating, advocating for individual agency in relationships.

TL;DR

Jacob Gooden critiques Joshua Harris's views on marriage, intimacy, and relationship pressures in the final section of <i>I Kissed Dating Goodbye</i>.

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What is good my ex-homies? It is your
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boy Jacob Gooden and we are back for
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another week of the exhomeschoolers
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club. This week we're finishing up our
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series on this book right here. I kissed
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dating goodbye by the wonderfully uh
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uninformed Joshua Harris. And uh if you
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missed the last couple parts on this, go
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back and give those a listen cuz they
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are a terribly good time. Um but this
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week we're touching on the last section
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in the book which is called Now What?
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It's going to be like marriage
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commitment, right? We're we're finally
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there. We're walking down the aisle.
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We're saying I do. Uh we're putting the
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rings on. That kind of a thing. So,
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that's what we're touching on this week.
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Without further ado, let's get into it.
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We're going to kick things off in
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chapter 12 titled Redeeming the Time.
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The main focus of this chapter is making
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the most of our singleness. And uh it
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kicks off like many of the chapters in
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this book with a story and Josh is
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talking about coming home, finding his
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mom going through the mail and opening
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up a wedding invitation for a for a girl
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he grew up with. And uh she hands it to
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him and Josh's response is something
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like this. He says, "I can't believe
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this. Jenny is getting married. This is
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impossible." His mom responds by saying,
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"What do you mean it's impossible?" And
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he goes, "I liked her in the eighth
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grade. how can she be getting married?
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She responds, "She met a nice guy and
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they're they're getting married. It
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happens all of the time, right?
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Completely normal." And uh he whines
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back to her. He says, "Why is this
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happening to all of the girls I used to
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like?" And uh his mom goes on to say,
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"You haven't even talked to or thought
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about Jenny for years, so let's not be
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wistful all of a sudden." And he
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finishes by saying, "I'm not." and he
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looks down at the invitation and he
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looks back at his mom and he goes, "Mom,
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I think my biological clock is ticking."
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A few things I'm going to quickly say
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about this intro story. Josh, quit
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complaining. First and foremost, quit
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complaining that uh people went off.
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They did the thing that uh that you're
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not allowing yourself to do, right? They
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went off and they found a partner.
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They've been dating. They've been
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exploring. And now they're finally at
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the commitment point. Okay. Uh, also
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like super weird that you feel this kind
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of like ownership over somebody just
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because you liked them in the past or
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maybe you dated them in the past. Just
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feels a little bit like strange. We're
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talking about girls that you liked 6
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years ago, four years ago, uh, something
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like that, and you weren't even dating
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them. So, like what what gives you the
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right uh to kind of feel that way? He
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immediately then goes in on this chapter
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into a story about turning 21. And I
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guess it's tradition at the Harris
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household when you turn when it's your
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birthday that uh everyone in the family
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writes you a note. This year he notices
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a theme uh in those notes. His mom says
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something along the lines of, "I know it
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will be hard to let you go when you meet
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the one you're waiting uh that we're all
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waiting and praying for." his uh little
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brother, who's like 11 at the time, says
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something like, "I really treasure
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sharing a room with you, knowing that
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someday soon uh you'll be sharing a room
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with someone else." And his dad wraps it
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all up by saying, "Expect to meet her
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someday soon if you haven't met her
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already." When you know you found her,
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be patient. You needn't rush, but
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neither should you uh feel the need to
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delay things. marry her within the year
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and count on God to help take care of
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her. I wrote in my notes after this. I
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said, uh, what's with all the pressure?
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Uh, that being said, I I kind of
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experienced something similar right
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around when I turned 21. So, let me set
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the stage for you a little bit. Right
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around when I turned 21, so I was my
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birthday's in August. Um, but the May uh
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before my birthday, I had just graduated
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college. I had also just had surgery on
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uh on my lower back and was recovering
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from that. Uh and one of the most loved
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people in my life, my grandma, was dying
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of Lou Garri's disease. And so just a
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lot of things going on in life, right? A
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lot of emotions. And so that summer was
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really spent mostly with her. A lot of
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my family was at my grandparents for the
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majority of that summer. Uh it it was
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emotional, right? It was hard. uh it's
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hard to watch the person this person
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that you love so deeply uh dying and um
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anyway but during that summer one of my
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family members who like I said it's an
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emotional time it's a little distressed
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and uh comes to me and is like hey I
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think you should marry your girlfriend
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uh by your your grandma's bedside and
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you know wouldn't she'd probably just
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love being able to see her oldest
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grandson like get to that point in in
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his life, right? Marriage. And I'm so
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thankful for my mom who immediately like
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heard this and then came to me and was
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like, "Do not do this." Um, and do not
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like feel pressure uh to do that because
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like you got a lot going on. Don't be
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rash about this decision. And uh and
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even talking to my grandma. So even
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though she couldn't really talk cuz if
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you don't know Luke Garrick's disease,
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uh it affects your motor skills. is it
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affects how your body operates and
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basically it shuts things down. So you
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you start to not be able to like have as
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much control over your hands and for her
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she couldn't she couldn't talk anymore.
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Uh and then eventually it shuts down
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your organs on the inside. And so
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anyway, but one of the things that she
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could do was on her iPad she had a
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program and she could push these buttons
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and make sentences and she punched in
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there and basically was like I love you
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and I love your girlfriend but like it's
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not time. And so her and I had a whole
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conversation about that and it wasn't
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time. I wasn't even 21. I was 20 at the
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time, like just about to be 21. So I'm
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really thankful. You know, the story
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does end with me marrying that girl um
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at 22. Uh and my grandma wasn't there to
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see it, but that's okay. Um it it wasn't
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the right timing. So I totally
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understand that pressure. I think u I
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had a lot of friends in college kind of
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a similar deal at very young. there was
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this pressure to like get married and
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figure out life and do all those things
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and uh you know to each their own. We
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all we all work on our own time
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schedules. We're going to jump a little
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forward in this chapter and talk uh
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about a section that Josh calls the
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practice now section. And uh he lays out
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a couple things that uh you should be
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practicing right as you're preparing for
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marriage. So those things include
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practicing intimacy, practicing seeking
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God with others, practicing financial uh
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literacy, and practicing parenthood. Oh,
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and lastly, practicing practical life
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skills. Now, I'm only going to touch on
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a few of these, uh, but we're going to
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talk about practicing intimacy. Now, if
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you remember back a few chapters ago,
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and maybe maybe it was part three, it
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might have been part two, I don't quite
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remember, but uh Josh already did talk
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about intimacy in this book. And in it,
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he kind of outlines that intimacy is
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this thing that is between two uh
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romantic partners, right? And um and he
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kind of equates it to sex a little bit.
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Um but it's like this closeness thing.
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And and earlier in that chapter he says
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friendship is about something other than
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the two people in a relationship where
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uh as opposed to excuse me intimacy is
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about each other. In a true friendship
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something outside of the two friends
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brings them together. The key to
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friendship is a common goal or object or
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object of which both uh companions
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focus. It can be an athletic pursuit, a
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hobby, faith, music, but it's something
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outside of them. As soon as two people
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uh involved focus on their relationship,
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it has moved beyond friendship. And what
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I wrote after this, I said, maybe I'm
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missing what he's trying to say here,
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but I think that you can have friendship
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that isn't always focused on something
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outside of like the relationship. Okay?
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Right? Uh if we look back at like an
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actual dictionary definition of
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intimacy, we see that it's close
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familiarity or friendship, it's a
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closeness with somebody, right? And so
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we share intimacy with a bunch of
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different people in our lives, right?
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From our loved ones, our family members,
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our friends, all these different people
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in our life, mentors, and it looks
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different, right? There's different
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levels of intimacy and closeness that we
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build with each of those people. And so
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it's really funny because in that
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earlier chapter,
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Josh is like super anti-intimacy amongst
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anybody that's not your romantic
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partner, but all of a sudden now we're
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talking about it. And he goes on in this
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current chapter, chapter 12 of the book,
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and he says, "While we want to avoid pre
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uh premature intimacy and romantic
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relationships, we should practice
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intimacy in other committed
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relationships, starting with our
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families."
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He goes on and he shares a story of a
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young girl he knows who he's friends
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with and he says that uh she struggles
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to like communicate with her parents.
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Okay? And so after dinner, she just goes
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up to her room or she doesn't tell them
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about the things that are going on in
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her life. And so he says this, "Whenever
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they tried to talk to her, she would
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clam up and refuse to share her
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feelings. So to reverse this trend, my
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friend now works hard to build intimacy
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and openness with her folks. Instead of
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retreating to her room after dinner, she
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hangs out and talks with them. Instead
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of shutting them out of her life, she
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invites them in. Now, I don't want you
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to think that I'm going to sit here and
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be like, "That's bad, and she shouldn't
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do that." Like, closess with your family
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is very important, and it's something I
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value. It's something I have. And your
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family tends to be the people who know
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you the best, especially uh when you're
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younger, right? Cuz most of the time we
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live with them for 18 plus years. And um
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but what I think is missing here is like
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the context of why does she feel this
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need to like be closed off with them or
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not share her personal life with them.
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So I think there's a piece missing there
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that like
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intimacy is something that is to be
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earned, right? It's trust. It's that
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closeness. It is an earned thing. And so
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why doesn't she feel worthy to give uh
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to give it? I also think that this
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section kind of goes to illustrate some
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of like the halfbaked ideas or like the
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conflicting ideas of this book, right?
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Because like I said earlier in this
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book, back in chapters like five, six or
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seven, something like that, Josh talked
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about intimacy only being between
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romantic partners. Now all of a sudden
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we have intimacy
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with close family members. Let's jump
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ahead just a little bit more and we're
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going to talk about practicing
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parenthood. Now
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again on the surface a lot of these
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things that he talks about practicing
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I'm not against them. Okay. Yeah. As we
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get older we need we need these things
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in our life right we have to practice uh
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you know if you want to be a parent
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someday it's probably a good idea that
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you spend some time around kids. if you
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uh you know I don't think it's a
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terrible idea to practice some uh
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financial literacy and then also just
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like practical life skills, you know
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what I mean? Like I think it's important
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that we have some things in our life
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that we work on, right? And we get
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better at. But
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here's why I struggle with this one.
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Josh tells a story of Jeanie and um how
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she was the youngest sibling in her
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family. So she didn't grow up with
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younger siblings to look after, to care
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for, and so she didn't have a lot of
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time around babies and toddlers, okay?
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And so she volunteers with a family from
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church who has seven kids. And she goes
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over once a week and she takes care of
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the kids and she cooks and she cleans
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and she does household stuff, right?
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She's learning the way of the house.
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There's two things here
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that I I just question. Okay, one, why
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is she doing it for free? Now, if you
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want to volunteer your time that way,
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that's I don't have an issue with that.
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Um, you'll understand why the free thing
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in a moment. Um, the other thing that I
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wonder about this scenario is that it's
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painted as a girl doing these things,
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which stereotypically inside of the
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church, women stay home, they do all the
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cooking and the cleaning, they raise the
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kids, that kind of a thing. I wonder
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what he would have to say about a guy
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doing this. Maybe he's on board, maybe
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he's not. I don't really know. It's not
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painted that way. So again, just a
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question I had. Now, why this kind of
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stuck out to me the way it did is that
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in the homeschool community, a lot of
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the families are larger, right? My
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family is a little bit of an anomaly,
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you know, two kids. Uh I had friends who
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12 kids, six kids, seven kids. It was
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not a normal uh unusual for like parents
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to be outnumbered.
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And so I have a friend who she basically
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ended up raising her younger brother and
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it was frustrating because she's my age
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and she was my friend, right? And we
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when we were in high school, we wanted
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to do friends stuff. We wanted to go to
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the movies and we wanted to hang out. We
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wanted to invite her to a pool party. We
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wanted to whatever. And she never had
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time to hang out with us because she was
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always taking care of her younger
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brother and essentially being mom. And
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that was frustrating. She also, as far
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as I know, wasn't like paid or
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compensated for it. And I'm again,
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that's my own,
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you know, why would you do this for
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free? I babysat. I did things um
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sometimes for free, but usually for a
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little bit of money. But what we found
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so annoying about that scenario was,
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like I said, she wasn't ever free to be
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a kid. She was kind of forced into this
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momhood thing really early. and it I
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would argue robbed her of her childhood.
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And so anyway, I hope that now she's
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gotten an opportunity to like kind of
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maybe regain some of that. Uh I don't
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know. I'll have to ask her. But um
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the other thing I wanted to say was that
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I know I come from a little bit of
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a privileged place when it comes to I
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only have one other sibling and so my
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parents were able to spend a lot of time
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with me and you know we didn't outnumber
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them. I also know from firsthand
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experience because my family tried to
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adopt uh two kids and while they were
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with us, I saw the shift in how my
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parents' attention went from being
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solely on my sister and I to all of a
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sudden also needing to give attention to
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two more kids and most of the time
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actually give them the majority of the
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attention. And that hurt our
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relationship, right? It was like
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it was like a good bad thing. It was a
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big learning experience for all of us.
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Um, but I definitely saw the dynamic
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shift and it became pretty evident
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pretty quickly that if those kids had
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stayed with us, um, I wasn't going to
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get the time with my parents.
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Now, like I said before, I al I'm not
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against practicing stuff. I also grew up
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volunteering. I did child care for
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people. I babysat with my sister. where
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we would tag team some of those larger
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homeschool families right where we were
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severely outnumbered. Um I also worked I
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did junior high ministry. I did
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children's church. Uh heck a couple
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years ago I even worked at a toy store
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and ran birthday parties for you know
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eight-year-olds. There's something to be
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said if you're interested in being a
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parent or you enjoy being around kids.
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Yeah, there's practice that that you
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know has to take place uh for that kind
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of stuff in the same way that we
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practice financial literacy and other
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life skills like cooking and cleaning
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and all those other things. Uh right
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like there's a level to that and when
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you are gearing up for marriage, some of
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those things can probably be good to
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practice. Moving right along into
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chapter 13. This one's called Ready for
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the Sack but not for the sacrifice. How
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to have a biblical and realistic vision
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of marriage. So, I'm gonna lay out a
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bunch of what's in this chapter before I
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get into my thoughts on it. But, here's
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kind of the gist of the first few pages
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of this chapter. Okay. Josh kicks it
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off. He tells a story of his wedding
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videography, photography business. He
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talks about shooting a wedding the day
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of, right? And capturing all the
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wonderful moments of the bride and groom
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getting ready and walking down the aisle
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and the first looks and the exchanging
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of the vows and the rings. He talks
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about the party afterwards and
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highlighting the dancing and the
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festivities and the smiles, right? And
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the hugs and the love, right? And then
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he talks about the editing process,
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right, after the event. And you know,
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he's like, you know, you do a little
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trimming here. Maybe you cut somebody
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who made a funny face out of this photo
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and you photoshop in a photo of them
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smiling. Uh maybe you cut part of the
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video where you in the background you
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can see two ants fighting over who
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ordered the chicken and who ordered the
00:17:23
beef for dinner and things like that,
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right? You fix a tie knot that was
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twisted kind of funny on one of the
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groomsmen. All this kind of stuff. And
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he goes on and says, "Unfortunately,
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many young people have a view of
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marriage as limited and unreal as the
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wedding videos that I create. These
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people think of married life as one
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grand thrilling moment after another and
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that the everyday mundane parts of
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marriage are safely edited uh from the
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picture. He then goes on and talks about
00:17:50
young people's perspectives on marriage
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and he you know he talks about young
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girls and he says that you know they
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obsess over bride magazines and um you
00:18:00
know maybe they don't fully understand
00:18:01
the reality that marriage is a lot more
00:18:03
than just the day of the wedding. But
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the thing that I want to highlight a
00:18:07
little bit more is that he also talks
00:18:09
about guys reducing marriage down to a
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single aspect that being sex. And he
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says this, "I'm shamed I'm ashamed to
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admit that I struggle with the tendency
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to equate marriage with sex. When I
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picture being married, I almost
00:18:23
immediately picture going to bed with my
00:18:24
wife as if that's all that married
00:18:26
people do." The book then goes on to a
00:18:29
section called Duly Considered. And uh
00:18:32
Josh is going to share a part of a
00:18:33
sermon that says, "Marriage is not to be
00:18:36
the enterprise lightly or wantingly to
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satisfy man's carnal lusts and
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appetites, but reverently, discreetly,
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advisedly, soberly, and in the fear of
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God, duly considering the cause for
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which matrimony was ordained."
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He then goes on, because it's a bunch of
00:18:54
big churchy heavy words, right? Seems
00:18:57
like an old an oldtimey sermon uh to say
00:19:00
the least. But he goes on and he's going
00:19:01
to break down those terms. So,
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reverence, a profound respect mingled
00:19:07
with awe, discretion, discernment, or
00:19:09
good judgment. Advisedly, uh, with
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careful consideration, and sober, to be
00:19:16
well balanced, unaffected by passion,
00:19:18
excitement, or prejudice. Now, if you're
00:19:20
like me and purity culture made up a big
00:19:23
chunk of the puberty years of your life,
00:19:26
um you know that like sexual sin was
00:19:29
this like super ambiguous term thrown
00:19:32
around a lot. Um I've talked about it in
00:19:34
previous episodes, not only about this
00:19:36
book, but just like in general previous
00:19:38
episodes, but I was taught this very
00:19:41
specific thing that was sex outside of
00:19:44
marriage is bad. Sex inside of marriage
00:19:46
is good. Sexual feelings I had were bad
00:19:48
because those feelings should only be
00:19:51
had for the person you're married to.
00:19:52
Masturbation was bad because it led to
00:19:54
sexual fantasies and sexual feelings
00:19:56
towards people and that was bad.
00:19:59
Basically, anything and everything
00:20:01
sexual in nature was bad until it was
00:20:04
within the context of marriage.
00:20:06
Here's my problem with that thinking.
00:20:09
The human body gets horny, right?
00:20:13
It's going to have an emotional, a
00:20:14
chemical, a physical response to stuff.
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And when you think about all that stuff
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as being bad,
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it results in a lot of shame and a lot
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of guilt. But these reactions don't just
00:20:26
stop because we say they're bad. The
00:20:29
human body gets horny. So, how do we fix
00:20:31
it? Well, we get married. And so I'm not
00:20:35
really all that surprised that young
00:20:36
people equate marriage with sex because
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for many of us that's the message that
00:20:42
we hear over and over and over again.
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Sex is awesome and the only way to have
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it is in marriage. So then we can't be
00:20:50
surprised when people rush into marriage
00:20:52
because well they need sexual
00:20:54
fulfillment, right? And once they get in
00:20:57
the rosecolored glasses pop off, right?
00:20:59
The hormone goggles disappear and you
00:21:02
start to question. you start to ask
00:21:04
questions. What have I gotten myself
00:21:06
into? Uh maybe their partner is actually
00:21:09
awful, right? And but because we had,
00:21:11
you know, those goggles on, I ignored
00:21:14
red flags along the way. Maybe we're not
00:21:17
a good fit, you know? And I find this
00:21:20
I'm gonna say funny, but I honestly find
00:21:23
it I think more sad because I watched
00:21:26
this happen time and time again with
00:21:28
people I grew up with, with people I
00:21:30
went to college with. Uh cuz I went to a
00:21:32
small Christian college and I watched
00:21:33
these people get married super young,
00:21:36
probably for the reason of
00:21:40
I'm horny. I want sex. The only way to
00:21:43
get sex is to get married. I know that
00:21:45
I'm probably coming off as somebody
00:21:47
who's like pro premarital sex and I just
00:21:51
think it's a choice. Have it, don't have
00:21:54
it. I don't really care. That's up to
00:21:56
you. That's up to your decision of what
00:21:58
you want to do with your life. What I
00:22:01
care more about and what I'm talking
00:22:03
more about is the fact that I think
00:22:05
people should have a healthy view of
00:22:07
what sex is, right? I'm pro sexed, if
00:22:10
you will. I don't feel like I was 100%
00:22:13
afforded that and I would have valued a
00:22:18
legitimate sex talk, right? The
00:22:20
Christian environment that I grew up in
00:22:22
villainized sex to the point where I
00:22:26
today wouldn't be surprised if Christian
00:22:29
couples are not having sex because of
00:22:32
the guilt and the shame because I know
00:22:34
that feeling, right? It's this habit
00:22:37
that got built up inside of us that sex
00:22:39
is bad and this understanding of what
00:22:42
sex is and how sex is bad. And that
00:22:45
doesn't just flip a switch overnight,
00:22:48
right? It doesn't just turn to sex is
00:22:51
good just because I'm married. No, our
00:22:53
brains don't operate that way. It's like
00:22:55
a bad habit. You learn a bad habit and
00:22:57
it takes a lot of unlearning to get you
00:22:59
out of that bad habit.
00:23:02
Another thing I wanted to highlight
00:23:04
about this this book or at least just
00:23:06
remind you of is the fact that this is
00:23:09
written by a 21-year-old guy. Okay. And
00:23:13
he probably it came out when he was 21.
00:23:16
He probably started writing it in 1920 I
00:23:19
would I would assume. And while he did
00:23:21
go on soon after this to get married, it
00:23:24
was still a few years and then he
00:23:26
released his marriage book. But I just
00:23:28
find it so interesting that we put this
00:23:32
single guy as the expert on what godly
00:23:36
relationships leading to marriage should
00:23:38
look like. Somebody who has not
00:23:40
experienced that. So I just want to
00:23:42
remind you of that. Let's get into
00:23:44
chapter 14. It's called What Matters at
00:23:47
50? The character qualities and
00:23:49
attitudes that matter most in a life
00:23:51
partner. Josh starts off by saying this.
00:23:54
He goes, "As I ponder the foreverness of
00:23:56
marriage, one question keeps rattling
00:23:58
through my mind. What qualities should I
00:24:01
look for in a wife? When I think of that
00:24:03
question, I know the answer entails many
00:24:05
deep internal characteristics. But in
00:24:08
everyday life, I still find it difficult
00:24:09
to get past the superficial. A cute girl
00:24:12
walks in the room and all my common
00:24:14
sense evaporates. How many times have I
00:24:16
made a complete fool of myself by
00:24:18
falling head over heels for someone
00:24:20
simply because of their charm and
00:24:22
beauty? too many times. As we move along
00:24:25
in the chapter, we get into a section
00:24:27
called glimpses of true character. And
00:24:29
uh Josh has us look at three areas of a
00:24:32
person's life. And those are how a
00:24:34
person relates to God, how a person
00:24:36
relates to others, and a person's
00:24:39
personal discipline. Say that three
00:24:41
times fast. So, let's just go down the
00:24:43
list starting with how a person relates
00:24:45
to God. The book says this. Look for and
00:24:48
work on becoming a man or woman who as a
00:24:51
single seeks God wholeheartedly putting
00:24:53
him before anything else. Don't worry
00:24:56
about impressing the opposite sex.
00:24:58
Instead, strive to please and glorify
00:24:59
God. And along the way, you'll catch the
00:25:02
attention of people with the same
00:25:03
priorities. You know what's funny about
00:25:06
this whole don't be worried about what
00:25:08
others do, but also this little caveat
00:25:11
at the end of like, but don't worry,
00:25:13
you'll get the attention of the right
00:25:14
people uh as you do this, right? as you
00:25:17
as you strive to make your whole life
00:25:19
about God. I find it really funny
00:25:22
because
00:25:24
I worked in churches. I know a lot of
00:25:25
people who went to churches and
00:25:27
specifically with the guys, I know that
00:25:30
we sometimes would put on the good
00:25:32
Christian guy outfit of like say this,
00:25:36
do that, act this way during worship,
00:25:39
take communion at this time, do these
00:25:40
little things, um quote this scripture,
00:25:44
you know, all these different things.
00:25:46
And it was like very performative
00:25:48
because it was just kind of that like we
00:25:50
knew that that would be attractive to to
00:25:54
the girls. The other thing that I find
00:25:56
kind of weird about this is this idea
00:25:59
and I think we all know people like this
00:26:01
who make their whole identity like this
00:26:05
obsession of like God. Um or it seems
00:26:09
obsessive about like God and they only
00:26:11
ever want to talk about God and they
00:26:12
only want to talk about church and the
00:26:14
Bible and Christianity and all these
00:26:16
different things. And then you start to
00:26:18
like dive into who they are as people
00:26:20
and ask them about hobbies and they have
00:26:22
nothing else. And I find that really
00:26:24
weird because I talked about this on I
00:26:27
think the last episode.
00:26:29
The importance of like having
00:26:33
something else, right, that's
00:26:35
interesting about who you are as a
00:26:37
person besides just I'm a Christian.
00:26:40
Do you like music? Do you like movies?
00:26:42
Do you have a special hobby, a special
00:26:44
gift, a special whatever that you enjoy
00:26:47
and can talk about for hours and hours
00:26:48
and hours? Right? We as humans, that's
00:26:51
just like something that
00:26:53
we we find attractive in other people is
00:26:55
their interests. Let's take a look at
00:26:58
how a person relates to others. Okay.
00:27:00
Josh talks about looking at four
00:27:02
different categories, if you will, of
00:27:04
people uh in someone's life and how they
00:27:07
interact with them to evaluate your
00:27:09
future partner. Okay, those four
00:27:11
categories are authorities, parents, the
00:27:14
opposite sex, and companions. Now, I'm
00:27:16
only going to look at one. Okay, I'm
00:27:18
going to look at authorities.
00:27:20
And he says this in the book. He says,
00:27:22
"A guy who can't follow legitimate
00:27:24
orders will have difficulty holding a
00:27:26
job or receiving pastoral correction
00:27:28
when needed. A girl who can't respect a
00:27:31
teacher or a coach's authority will have
00:27:33
difficulty honoring her husband." Right
00:27:35
off the rip, you probably know where I'm
00:27:37
about to go with this. I find it so
00:27:39
interesting that when it comes to a
00:27:42
woman being able to submit to authority,
00:27:45
Josh talks about her being able to
00:27:47
submit to a husband. However, when he
00:27:50
talks about a man being able to submit
00:27:52
to authority, there's no mention about
00:27:53
him being able to submit to his wife. So
00:27:57
conveniently inside of Christianity, we
00:27:59
take the Bible verse that's uh you know
00:28:02
a woman is supposed to submit to her
00:28:04
husband and we leave conveniently out
00:28:06
the second part of that verse which is
00:28:08
and man is also supposed to submit to
00:28:10
his wife.
00:28:12
I wrote in my notes I said she's also
00:28:15
deserving of respect because when you're
00:28:17
in a relationship it's a partnership.
00:28:20
It's not a dictatorship. Her voice has
00:28:22
power uh and it matters. Okay. Neither
00:28:26
partner can control everything. It just
00:28:28
isn't going to end well. And I don't
00:28:30
just mean she's in charge of the house,
00:28:33
like cleaning, cooking, all that type of
00:28:35
stuff.
00:28:37
What I do mean is you learn to play to
00:28:39
each other's strengths. Okay? That to me
00:28:42
is a very important part of your life. I
00:28:45
enjoy cooking more than Maddie does. So,
00:28:47
I do a lot of cooking. I just enjoy it.
00:28:49
That's a part of who I am as a person.
00:28:52
Maddie is better at doing other things
00:28:53
that I'm not as skilled at or I just
00:28:56
don't want to do or whatever. We play to
00:28:58
that. That is a part of us figuring out
00:29:01
in our relationship the things that work
00:29:03
the best together. It's a partnership.
00:29:06
We have to communicate and talk and
00:29:08
figure it out together. The last thing
00:29:12
as we work our way through character
00:29:14
qualities is personal discipline. And
00:29:17
Josh says this, "We are examining
00:29:19
whether a good potential spouse fosters
00:29:21
habits that are disobedient to God or
00:29:24
revealing of a deeper disregard for
00:29:26
others." He lays out then a couple of
00:29:28
areas to look at, including things like
00:29:30
how a person spends their time, how they
00:29:33
handle money, and how they take care of
00:29:34
their body. I'm just going to focus on
00:29:37
the body because in there is the
00:29:40
clothing, is the modesty piece of it.
00:29:42
And he says this geared towards women.
00:29:45
He says, "A girl who dresses immodestly
00:29:48
may catch a guy's attention, but what
00:29:51
does her clothing say about her heart?"
00:29:54
And I put in my notes, I'm like, "I'm so
00:29:56
tired of the modesty thing." Okay, I'm
00:29:58
so tired of it. Of course, he doesn't
00:30:00
spell out what modesty is. He leaves it
00:30:03
up for interpretation. And as we just
00:30:05
discussed when we're looking at uh a
00:30:07
godly woman, she is one that uh will
00:30:10
submit to authority. So when our when
00:30:13
her pastor says girls wearing spaghetti
00:30:15
straps uh spaghetti strap tank tops is
00:30:18
sinful uh and you really should only be
00:30:21
leaving the house wearing a long sleeve
00:30:22
top. It's reinforcing this idea that men
00:30:25
cannot control their thoughts or their
00:30:27
actions towards women and that it's a
00:30:29
woman's responsibility to keep men pure.
00:30:32
It's also reinforcing this thought that
00:30:34
women can't think for themselves. Now,
00:30:36
Josh doesn't leave the dudes out on this
00:30:38
one because he has this to say about men
00:30:41
and their clothes. He says, "A guy who
00:30:43
spends his money on the latest style may
00:30:45
have the appearance of togetherness, but
00:30:47
his infatuation with fashion could mean
00:30:49
he's too preoccupied with what people
00:30:51
think of him, and that he may make poor
00:30:53
decisions with this money." Now, this
00:30:56
one hit home for me because while I
00:30:58
maybe don't as much anymore, I used to
00:31:00
be really into fashion and I took a lot
00:31:03
of risks. Uh, some of you who've known
00:31:06
me for a long time know some of those
00:31:08
risks. Not going to show pictures. Go
00:31:10
search them up. Remember for yourselves.
00:31:13
But for me, fashion and clothes was very
00:31:17
much like a hobby. I was interested in
00:31:19
it because for a couple of reasons. One,
00:31:22
I like the history of it. I like
00:31:24
understanding what kind of made timeless
00:31:25
fashion as opposed to something that was
00:31:27
trendy. But also, I've always kind of
00:31:30
been of the mindset that when you look
00:31:32
good on the outside, you feel good on
00:31:34
the inside. So, Josh, your argument, I
00:31:37
think, is just kind of dumb. Just being
00:31:40
honest. There's one last thing I want to
00:31:42
touch on in this chapter, and that is
00:31:44
knowing if they're the one. Josh tells a
00:31:48
story at the very end about a guy who
00:31:50
emails him and wrote this in the email.
00:31:52
He said, "How could I possibly get to
00:31:54
know a person well enough before
00:31:55
marriage to know if they're right? It
00:31:58
seems like getting married is like
00:31:59
jumping off a cliff. This struck a chord
00:32:02
with me because when I was a teenager,
00:32:04
there was a very big push in my circles
00:32:06
of friends, in the church I went to of
00:32:09
this like knowing God's will for your
00:32:12
life. And a lot of my friends took it to
00:32:16
this extreme of like knowing having to
00:32:19
be so certain of
00:32:22
of the things that they're going to do
00:32:24
with their life. to where they're going
00:32:25
to go to college and what they're going
00:32:26
to study as a career and what they're
00:32:28
going to the person they're going to
00:32:29
date and all these different things and
00:32:31
they had this like they needed to know
00:32:32
the answer uh before like living life,
00:32:37
right? I think that that ruins a piece
00:32:40
of like what life is about, which is
00:32:43
making mistakes and learning lessons,
00:32:45
right? Got one more thing in my notes
00:32:47
that I want to share on this and that's
00:32:48
that I think that the purity culture
00:32:50
movement was so set on having kids and
00:32:52
young adults get it right on the first
00:32:54
try that they missed the point of life
00:32:57
which is living. The constant
00:32:59
bombardment of doing the right thing,
00:33:01
keeping ourselves holy, resisting sin
00:33:04
forced us to forget that our sins were
00:33:06
paid right our debt was paid. If you
00:33:09
believe that Jesus Christ died on the
00:33:10
sin, died on the cross to pay for our
00:33:12
sins like we were forgetting that. I
00:33:15
think because we were so worried that by
00:33:17
doing something that was against the
00:33:19
will of God, we would be entering into
00:33:21
sin and that was bad. When the reality
00:33:24
is we make choices in life and there's
00:33:26
consequences to those actions, they're
00:33:29
good or they're bad consequences, right?
00:33:31
For every action there's a reaction.
00:33:34
Chapter 15 is uh called principled
00:33:37
romance and this is Josh laying out his
00:33:40
new structure, right? the new principles
00:33:42
that will guide you from friendship to
00:33:45
matrimony. Okay? And he says this, he
00:33:48
says, "This is a new pattern for
00:33:49
relationships that can help us avoid the
00:33:51
problems that are often encountered in
00:33:53
traditional dating." So what is the
00:33:56
pattern? We go from casual friends to
00:33:59
deeper friendship, from deeper
00:34:00
friendship to purposeful intimacy with
00:34:04
integrity, and from purposeful intimacy
00:34:06
to engagement. Notice how there's no
00:34:09
dating because at this point we've
00:34:11
kissed dating goodbye. So, right into
00:34:13
it, we don't even talk about casual
00:34:16
friendships in this chapter. He drives
00:34:18
straight into deeper friendships. And he
00:34:20
says this. He uh he uses this kind of
00:34:23
like story of his little sister. And he
00:34:25
says, "One spring day, my four-year-old
00:34:27
sister was so excited to see the first
00:34:29
flowers pushing up out of the soil that
00:34:32
she plucked a handful of the unopened
00:34:34
buds and proudly gave them to our mom.
00:34:37
My mom was so disappointed by my
00:34:38
sister's impatience that she said, "You
00:34:41
picked them too soon. They're a lot
00:34:43
prettier when they're they've been
00:34:45
allowed to bloom." He goes on to say,
00:34:47
"We're often guilty of the same
00:34:49
impatience in our relationship. Instead
00:34:51
of waiting until friendship fully
00:34:53
blooms, we rush into romance. Our
00:34:56
impatience not only costs us the beauty
00:34:58
of friendship as singles, it can also
00:35:01
place our future marriages on shaky
00:35:03
ground. Strong marriages are built on a
00:35:05
solid foundation of the mutual respect,
00:35:08
appreciation, and camaraderie of
00:35:09
friendship. Controversial take here, but
00:35:12
I kind of don't disagree that strong
00:35:14
marriages are built on uh on friendship.
00:35:18
My marriage is built on friendship. Uh a
00:35:20
lot of people I know who have very
00:35:22
strong relationships, it's built on
00:35:23
friendship. So, I don't I don't disagree
00:35:26
on that. How we get there is where we're
00:35:28
going to disagree. So, when it comes to
00:35:30
relationships, Josh is so concerned that
00:35:32
we rush into romance and that it
00:35:34
obscures a person's ability to see
00:35:36
someone for who they truly are, right?
00:35:39
Our hormones and our infatuation, they
00:35:40
overwhelm and uh we see things more in
00:35:43
like a honeymoon kind of a way. And this
00:35:46
is what he's been saying for the
00:35:47
majority of the book. We leave out the
00:35:49
romance, we leave out the physicality,
00:35:52
we leave out the hormones and the
00:35:54
infatuation and all of that stuff. We
00:35:56
leave all that out. We build friendship
00:35:58
that gets us ultimately to marriage.
00:36:01
Now, here's where we disagree a little
00:36:04
bit. I think that the romance aspect can
00:36:07
work in tandem with the building of the
00:36:09
friendship aspect. Okay? They can both
00:36:12
be there.
00:36:13
The fun date nights, the buying the
00:36:15
gifts, the cutesy texts, the love notes,
00:36:17
all the stuff that he says has to wait
00:36:19
until you're married.
00:36:22
All of that can be happening and you can
00:36:25
still show an interest in getting to
00:36:27
know who that person is.
00:36:30
What are the things that light them up,
00:36:32
right? What are the things that they
00:36:34
value? It doesn't have to be separated.
00:36:37
As we move on in the chapter, Josh gives
00:36:39
us the green lights, right? That mean we
00:36:42
can start to pursue marriage. Okay? And
00:36:44
those green lights include, are we
00:36:46
seeking God's word and is our partner
00:36:48
seeking God's word? Are we marriage
00:36:51
ready?
00:36:52
Do we have the approval and support from
00:36:54
the community? Uh, right, our families,
00:36:56
our loved ones, and do we feel the peace
00:36:59
of God? As he goes through these, he
00:37:01
lists out some of the things that would
00:37:02
make instant nos, right? If a person
00:37:05
isn't a Christian, not the one. Uh, if
00:37:08
you aren't spiritually mature,
00:37:10
emotionally mature, or financially
00:37:11
mature, not ready. If your family
00:37:14
doesn't approve, don't get married. If
00:37:17
your stomach don't sit right, you're not
00:37:19
ready. So I do agree that there's a
00:37:21
level of I think maturity that people
00:37:23
should be at. They should have some
00:37:25
common ground on their values.
00:37:28
Personally for me, my family's input is
00:37:30
important to me and was important to me
00:37:32
when I was getting married. So while I
00:37:35
agree with some of these things, I think
00:37:37
the black and white nature of what he's
00:37:40
doing is where it's a little bit
00:37:42
dangerous. Okay. If it's not this, then
00:37:44
no. If it's not that, then no. Um,
00:37:48
maturity can mean a lot of things,
00:37:49
right? I got married when I was 22 and I
00:37:53
felt like at the time I was ready to get
00:37:56
married. Uh, looking back, maybe I was,
00:37:59
maybe I wasn't. Uh, I'll never know if I
00:38:01
wasn't because, well, I don't get to go
00:38:05
back in time and not do it. But
00:38:08
I've grown up a lot since then. Okay,
00:38:11
seven years since then. A lot's changed.
00:38:15
I've changed a lot as a person.
00:38:17
Mattiey's changed a lot as a person. We
00:38:18
evolved, right?
00:38:21
The other thing I wanted to say is that
00:38:22
at the end of the day, your relationship
00:38:24
is your relationship. Sure, it's great
00:38:26
to have the approval and the support of
00:38:29
loved ones, but ultimately at the end of
00:38:31
the day, you know what's best for you.
00:38:34
Nobody else gets to make that decision
00:38:36
for you. Sprinkled throughout this
00:38:38
chapter is kind of a bunch about uh
00:38:40
parental involvement and participation
00:38:43
and approval and all those kind of
00:38:44
things. So, I I kind of I'm lumping them
00:38:46
all together in this section. And uh he
00:38:49
says this at one point in the book, uh
00:38:52
talking about somebody who was kind of
00:38:54
gearing up to basically pursue somebody.
00:38:57
He says, "But before he went into
00:38:59
action, he chose to give proper honor to
00:39:01
Shel's parents first by asking their
00:39:03
permission to grow closer to their
00:39:04
daughter and for the purpose of pursuing
00:39:08
marriage." So, I knew this girl in
00:39:10
college who uh she wouldn't date a guy
00:39:13
until they had called her dad and gotten
00:39:15
permission. And I will never forget the
00:39:17
look on her face when I said, "If I ever
00:39:19
ask you out, I'm I'm not getting on the
00:39:21
phone with your dad to ask his
00:39:22
permission. That's like a waste of my
00:39:24
time. It's a waste of his time. If you
00:39:26
don't trust yourself uh to make that
00:39:28
decision, then you're probably not
00:39:31
somebody I want to date anyways." And
00:39:32
the look of shock on her face was
00:39:34
absolutely
00:39:36
crazy. I just believed and I still do
00:39:40
that like when it comes to dating
00:39:44
we need to enable people to have agency
00:39:47
over their body and feel like they can
00:39:49
make decisions for themselves. Okay. And
00:39:53
you know a a side note to this is then
00:39:56
it kind of leads to also that like well
00:39:58
do you ask for a parents permission for
00:40:00
marriage? And that's a little bit more
00:40:02
of a traditional thing. I'm not going to
00:40:05
lie. I did ask permission. My
00:40:07
mother-in-law was like, "Are you crazy?
00:40:09
Of course you have permission. Like, you
00:40:11
didn't even need to ask." I do
00:40:13
understand that one a little bit more. I
00:40:15
don't view it so much as a permission
00:40:17
ask just a
00:40:20
letting them know, giving them the
00:40:22
intention of like this is something I'm
00:40:23
going to do. Uh I would like your
00:40:27
blessing uh to pursue that. But, you
00:40:31
know, I'm personally somebody who even
00:40:33
if they said no, maybe it would have
00:40:35
given me some pause to think about it.
00:40:37
But I I knew pretty well in my heart
00:40:39
that's what I wanted to do. He goes on
00:40:41
to talk about uh how now that we've
00:40:43
asked permission to pursue or to get
00:40:46
closer and with the idea of pursuing for
00:40:49
marriage. He says, "At this point,
00:40:51
invite the girl's parents to ask pointed
00:40:54
questions. What kind of plan do you have
00:40:56
to support our daughter? what kind of
00:40:57
activities will you pursue as you
00:40:59
attempt to win her hand in marriage? And
00:41:03
uh he goes on to talk about like this
00:41:06
testing, right? And it's very like
00:41:08
stereotypical
00:41:10
like dad being against the boyfriend
00:41:13
like how are you going to, you know,
00:41:14
provide for my daughter and what are you
00:41:16
going to do for her and you're never
00:41:17
going to be good enough and like all
00:41:19
this kind of stuff. And it's just really
00:41:24
weird. It plays again into that
00:41:26
stereotype that all the boys want out of
00:41:28
a girl is sex. Uh they could never want
00:41:31
just like an actual healthy relationship
00:41:33
from them. But I also wondered this I
00:41:37
wondered how does this
00:41:40
make girls feel? Like do you feel like
00:41:43
you have choice over your body? Do you
00:41:46
feel like you have choice over who you
00:41:48
can date? Do you feel trusted by your
00:41:50
parents to actually make good decisions?
00:41:52
Do you not? like it's very weird
00:41:55
behavior.
00:41:57
The other thing as it goes on, he talks
00:42:00
about being put on trial, right? And
00:42:02
being grilled and prodded like a wild
00:42:04
animal. And uh and he says this about
00:42:07
like how he thinks parents will react to
00:42:09
this. He says, "Unfortunately, I think
00:42:11
many parents won't really care. They may
00:42:14
think you're being melodramatic or
00:42:15
taking things too seriously." And I said
00:42:17
this, "Uh yeah, no [ __ ] Sherlock. uh
00:42:21
you're being over the top, right? You're
00:42:23
putting this heavy emphasis on having
00:42:26
all these questions answered, these big
00:42:27
life questions. As you get to know
00:42:30
people, right? When you're dating
00:42:31
somebody and you get to know their
00:42:33
family and you get to know the people
00:42:35
that surround them and their loved ones,
00:42:37
naturally, they're going to ask you
00:42:39
questions that are about your job and
00:42:41
what you do and what you value as a
00:42:43
human because you you're becoming
00:42:46
friends with them. you're building an
00:42:48
intimate relationship also with those
00:42:50
people where there's a closeness and a
00:42:52
comfortability with those people. So
00:42:54
those things are naturally going to come
00:42:56
up. But by forcing them to be at such an
00:42:59
early stage sometimes, right, where it's
00:43:02
like you don't even know if you like
00:43:04
this person yet a lot of times, right?
00:43:07
you just are taking it a you have an
00:43:09
interest so you're taking it a step
00:43:11
above but you're like now you're just
00:43:13
demanding that their family grill you
00:43:15
and quiz you and ask you all these
00:43:17
questions as if it's like I have to get
00:43:20
an A+ on my test um so that I get
00:43:23
approval to you know move on to the next
00:43:26
letter grade. It's like no it's not like
00:43:30
that. It's not a test of like you know
00:43:33
will you pass or not. It's a very much a
00:43:35
it's a discovering time. It's a learning
00:43:38
time together. All of this asking for
00:43:41
parents permission and the involvement
00:43:44
of family leads into his next point
00:43:47
which is about bringing romance home.
00:43:49
And he says this about it. He says, "One
00:43:51
of the most unfortunate aspects of
00:43:53
contemporary dating is the way that it
00:43:55
has removed the process of romance from
00:43:57
the warmth and reality of the home. Find
00:44:00
creative ways in your own relationship
00:44:02
to keep focus on learning, testing, and
00:44:05
growth, not just reveling in romantic
00:44:07
love.
00:44:09
There's a little bit of yada yada in the
00:44:10
middle of that. But
00:44:13
what I think is so weird about this is
00:44:16
like I knew too many kids that they
00:44:18
ended up in courtship situations. Their
00:44:20
parents were heavily involved. they went
00:44:21
on every date with them or a sibling
00:44:23
went on a date with them and there was
00:44:24
like this very like handholdy like we
00:44:26
don't trust you uh kind of a thing and
00:44:31
oh man I just like cannot imagine having
00:44:35
dated in a scenario like that. I think
00:44:37
it would have just been god awful and I
00:44:40
probably would have like sworn off
00:44:41
dating forever because ultimately at the
00:44:45
end of the day when you partner up with
00:44:47
somebody and you decide to live with
00:44:50
them, to get serious with them, to marry
00:44:52
them, whatever it may be, you're living
00:44:55
with that person. you're not. Yes,
00:44:57
there's a degree to which you have to
00:44:59
live with the in-laws and you have to
00:45:00
live with the siblings and all those
00:45:02
types of things, but at the end of the
00:45:03
day, there's you and one other person in
00:45:06
that relationship. And it's like
00:45:11
it's overwhelming when you start to get
00:45:14
all of these other people involved. Uh,
00:45:17
and it just becomes like I'm dating six
00:45:19
people instead of I'm just dating one
00:45:21
person. As we get near to the end of
00:45:24
this chapter, he has a section that I
00:45:27
have titled, "Let's get physical dot dot
00:45:29
dot or not." And he says, "I've
00:45:32
committed to waiting even for a kiss
00:45:34
until I'm married. I want my first kiss
00:45:36
with my wife to be on our wedding day. I
00:45:39
know that sounds archaic to many, and
00:45:41
truthfully, I would have scoffed at the
00:45:43
idea myself four years ago. But I've
00:45:46
come to realize how sinful and
00:45:48
meaningless physical intimacy can be
00:45:51
apart from the commitment and purity of
00:45:53
marriage.
00:45:56
What did he just say? That physical
00:45:58
intimacy outside of marriage is sinful
00:46:00
and meaningless. It corrupts the purity
00:46:02
of marriage. And I was really heated
00:46:04
when I wrote this and I said, "Fuck
00:46:06
off."
00:46:08
Again with this narrative of
00:46:11
anything sexual, anything deemed a
00:46:13
sexual sin, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad,
00:46:16
vows happen, marriage happens, we commit
00:46:20
everything sexual, good, good, good,
00:46:21
good, good. The human mind doesn't work
00:46:24
this way. It doesn't pingpong back and
00:46:26
forth. It requires work, dedication, and
00:46:29
unlearning to break the habit.
00:46:33
The values of purity culture are
00:46:35
building bad habits when it comes to
00:46:37
physical romantic relationships and sex.
00:46:39
I had to pull out the book for this last
00:46:41
part because I have so many highlighted
00:46:43
things on this last page. I think it's
00:46:45
the worst advice in the entire book. And
00:46:48
it says this,
00:46:50
where physical progression begins, depth
00:46:54
progression ends. In other words, as
00:46:56
soon as we begin to focus on the
00:46:58
physical side of our relationship, the
00:47:00
spiritual and emotional side ceases to
00:47:02
deepen. Make a commitment to God,
00:47:04
parents, Christian mentors, friends, and
00:47:06
your partner to let your passion sleep,
00:47:08
stirring up your desire for the marriage
00:47:10
bed. It will awaken with joy at the
00:47:13
proper time. My reaction to this was
00:47:15
this. This is pure laziness. It's not a
00:47:18
you can have one or the other, but not
00:47:20
both. Like, you can have both. It just
00:47:23
takes work and dedication and effort.
00:47:26
Okay, as we go down the page, he hits on
00:47:30
privacy. Part of keeping this kind of
00:47:32
commitment involves avoiding settings
00:47:34
given to temptation. This doesn't mean
00:47:36
you can never have privacy, but two
00:47:38
people can have privacy and time alone
00:47:40
without completely isolating themselves
00:47:42
from parents and friends. When you do
00:47:44
have activities that involve just the
00:47:46
two of you, make sure you carefully plan
00:47:48
your time. Avoid a sensual focus and
00:47:51
atmosphere and let someone know where
00:47:53
you'll be and when you'll be home. I
00:47:56
wrote down what do you mean privacy
00:47:59
while being around other people. The
00:48:01
definition of privacy is the state or
00:48:03
condition of being free from uh being
00:48:06
observed or disturbed by other people.
00:48:09
Like you literally can't that can't
00:48:11
happen when you've got people around.
00:48:13
And this solution of being accountable
00:48:15
to only being out a certain period of
00:48:17
time, having people know exactly where
00:48:19
you are. It refuses to allow people to
00:48:21
have agency over themselves. We're not
00:48:23
trusted to make smart decisions. And
00:48:26
that's ultimately what a lot of this
00:48:27
book boils down to. You can't trust
00:48:29
yourself. And so you need to trust
00:48:31
others to make decisions for you. As we
00:48:34
move down the page, he says this.
00:48:36
Remember, by delaying sexual
00:48:37
involvement, you're storing up passion
00:48:39
and making sexual love within your
00:48:40
marriage that much more meaningful.
00:48:42
Don't allow impatience now to rob you of
00:48:45
an undefiled, passionate sexual
00:48:47
relationship in marriage. Josh claims
00:48:50
that by delaying sexual involvement,
00:48:52
you're storing up passion and making
00:48:53
sexual love within your marriage that
00:48:55
much more meaningful. So sex outside of
00:48:58
marriage is meaningless. Huh? It has no
00:49:00
value.
00:49:02
I know what he's getting at. It makes us
00:49:05
less of a person because we're giving
00:49:07
ourselves away. I now choose to view it
00:49:12
as a learning experience. There's plenty
00:49:14
of me to go around. It doesn't make me
00:49:17
less of a person because I chose to give
00:49:20
of myself. Again, make your own decision
00:49:23
of whether you want to have sex before
00:49:25
marriage or not. I don't really care.
00:49:28
But this messaging that save yourself,
00:49:31
save yourself, save yourself, save
00:49:32
yourself because as soon as you have
00:49:35
sex, you've given that piece of yourself
00:49:37
away and you never can get that back.
00:49:39
It's this very dangerous
00:49:42
narrative that there's like only so much
00:49:45
of you to go around, that there's only
00:49:47
so much, that your value is wrapped up
00:49:49
in your sex life, that your value is
00:49:51
wrapped up in how many bodies you've
00:49:53
been with, that your value is wrapped up
00:49:55
in da da da da. It's just [ __ ] and
00:49:58
it leads to this really screwed up way
00:50:02
of thinking about how you view your
00:50:04
body, sex, and relationships. The last
00:50:07
thing that he says in this chapter is
00:50:09
the new pattern we've discussed is only
00:50:11
an outline. As with anything, a couple
00:50:14
can manipulate it to fulfill only the
00:50:16
minimal requirements. But I believe such
00:50:19
manipulation will rob a couple of
00:50:21
experiencing God's best. My response was
00:50:24
this. Bro, what do you know? You're 20,
00:50:28
not married. You're a stupid idiot that
00:50:32
hasn't even kissed someone. But more
00:50:34
importantly, these sentences highlight
00:50:36
why when I was 14 reading this, I didn't
00:50:40
want to stray from it. Because if I did,
00:50:42
I'd be robbing myself of God's best.
00:50:45
What a croc of [ __ ] I have really
00:50:48
nothing to say about chapter 16 because
00:50:50
chapter 16, I think, is a complete waste
00:50:52
of time.
00:50:53
He basically goes on to tell his
00:50:55
parents' love story, which equates to
00:50:59
them seeing each other at a coffee shop,
00:51:01
his dad asking his mom out. She says,
00:51:03
"No." Uh, he says, "Maybe I'll call you
00:51:07
sometime." She says, "Maybe." And then
00:51:10
him, his dad hearing a voice, uh, the
00:51:13
voice of God apparently,
00:51:15
telling him not to call her. And that's
00:51:18
literally where the book ends. We still
00:51:20
have no clue how his parents got
00:51:22
together. We really don't know their
00:51:23
love story. It's meant to be this story
00:51:26
of listening for the voice of God,
00:51:30
right, and waiting until the timing is
00:51:33
right and all those things. But we don't
00:51:36
even know how it like got started to be
00:51:39
honest. So, it's just I don't even think
00:51:41
it's worth talking about to be honest.
00:51:44
That's it.
00:51:46
We made it. Made it through the book
00:51:49
finally. Um, thank you. Thank you. Thank
00:51:51
you. if you made it this far. Um, first
00:51:53
and foremost, secondly, I hope you got
00:51:56
something out of this. Um, this has been
00:51:58
a brutal experience for me. Um, I know
00:52:01
based on a couple comments from you guys
00:52:03
and messages that I've received, I know
00:52:05
that reliving some of this has not been
00:52:07
fun. Uh, it's not fun for me either. Um,
00:52:10
it's brought up things that I didn't
00:52:11
even remember that I maybe blacked out
00:52:14
of my life. But, um, but I think it's
00:52:17
been good. I think it's been a little
00:52:18
therapeutic. This is a topic that I want
00:52:21
to I'm going to continue to talk about.
00:52:22
I'm going to continue to educate myself
00:52:24
on. These are important topics and I
00:52:26
think it's it's something I'm passionate
00:52:28
about. Hopefully that comes across. Uh I
00:52:31
want to continue to learn and educate
00:52:33
and make myself a better human. Um and
00:52:37
talking about it is one way that I do
00:52:38
that, sharing my experience uh with
00:52:41
people. So
00:52:43
that being said, I got really nothing
00:52:45
else for you guys. Do me a favor. If you
00:52:47
made it this far, do all of the internet
00:52:49
things that you know how to do. Like,
00:52:51
comment, subscribe, share it with a
00:52:53
friend. Uh, you know, if you don't feel
00:52:56
like leaving a comment, that's cool. If
00:52:58
you want to shoot me a DM, you totally
00:52:59
can. Exhub on Instagram, threads, Tik
00:53:03
Tok, or you can shoot me an email at
00:53:08
And uh, I do my best to try to respond
00:53:10
to you guys. Uh, but yeah, that's I
00:53:12
think all I got for you. Until we uh,
00:53:15
meet again. Peace.
00:53:18
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Episode Highlights

  • The Pressure of Marriage
    Josh reflects on the societal pressure surrounding marriage, especially as he turned 21.
    “What’s with all the pressure?”
    @ 03m 40s
    August 21, 2025
  • Intimacy and Relationships
    Exploring the importance of practicing intimacy in various relationships, not just romantic ones.
    “While we want to avoid premature intimacy, we should practice intimacy in other committed relationships.”
    @ 09m 11s
    August 21, 2025
  • A Realistic View of Marriage
    Josh discusses how many young people have an unrealistic view of marriage, focusing only on the wedding day.
    “Unfortunately, many young people have a view of marriage as limited and unreal.”
    @ 17m 35s
    August 21, 2025
  • Purity Culture's Impact
    Exploring how purity culture instills shame around sexuality.
    “The human body gets horny, right?”
    @ 20m 13s
    August 21, 2025
  • The Role of Friendship in Marriage
    Discussing the importance of friendship as a foundation for strong marriages.
    “Strong marriages are built on a solid foundation of friendship.”
    @ 35m 05s
    August 21, 2025
  • Personal Autonomy in Relationships
    Emphasizing that ultimately, individuals know what's best for their relationships.
    “Your relationship is your relationship.”
    @ 38m 22s
    August 21, 2025
  • Parental Permission in Dating
    Exploring the impact of asking for parental permission before dating and its implications on agency.
    “"If you don’t trust yourself to make that decision, then you’re probably not somebody I want to date anyways."”
    @ 39m 26s
    August 21, 2025
  • The Commitment to Wait
    A personal commitment to abstain from physical intimacy until marriage, reflecting on its significance.
    “"I’ve committed to waiting even for a kiss until I’m married."”
    @ 45m 32s
    August 21, 2025
  • Critique of Purity Culture
    Challenging the idea that physical intimacy outside of marriage is meaningless and harmful.
    “"Fuck off."”
    @ 46m 06s
    August 21, 2025
  • Final Thoughts on the Book
    A reflection on the overall experience of discussing the book and its themes.
    “"This has been a brutal experience for me."”
    @ 51m 58s
    August 21, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • What’s with all the pressure?
    Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4
  • Marriage is not to be the enterprise lightly or wantingly to satisfy man’s carnal lusts.
    Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4
  • It’s this habit that got built up inside of us that sex is bad.
    Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4
  • Strong marriages are built on a solid foundation of friendship.
    Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4
  • Your relationship is your relationship.
    Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4
  • "What a croc of [ __ ]".
    Purity Culture Almost Ruined My Marriage | I Kissed Dating Goodbye part 4

Key Moments

  • Biological Clock01:53
  • Societal Pressure03:40
  • Purity Culture19:20
  • Sexual Shame20:22
  • Parental Involvement38:40
  • Dating Agency39:26
  • Waiting for Marriage45:32
  • Book Reflection51:58

Words per Minute Over Time

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