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well welcome back to the ex-
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homeschoolers Club I am of course your
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host Jacob good and today I'm joined by
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my friend Laura I'm so excited to have
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Laura um we have known each other for a
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good long time I know as far back as I
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can remember in my homes School Journey
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she's pretty much been around and a part
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of it um from what we were talking about
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before we uh before we hit record I
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think we met during group Solutions um
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um does that sound about right yeah okay
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sounds about right so and for those of
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you who don't know group Solutions was
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basically an opportunity for uh our
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homeschool Community to come together
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and parents taught classes and kind of
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put kids in more of like a classroom
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setting so we actually got to learn how
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to interact and be semi-normal um around
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each other so anyway Laura I'm stoked to
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have you thank you for coming on the
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show yeah thank you for having me well
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let's kick things off with your
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homeschool Journey like what were you
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always homeschooled I know you're one of
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four siblings and um I I know at some
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point all four of you have been
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homeschooled but like were you
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homeschooled all the way through um was
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it a later in life did you go all the
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way through high school what what was
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the deal there yeah uh I was
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homeschooled my whole life um I think my
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twin sister and I are the only ones out
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of the four uh siblings that were
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homeschooled throughout my older sister
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was in public school and then my younger
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sister went to independent studies in
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high school so my twin sister and I were
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the only ones that were fully
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homeschooled throughout and um I mean I
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had a really good decent experience but
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there were some ups and downs for sure
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absolutely I think we all have those
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like cringey moments of that we're
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looking back on and we're like H that
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wasn't that wasn't great that could have
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been yeah a lot better totally well
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that's really cool so overall a
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semi-positive experience which is cool
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but um are there any moments that stick
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out in your head as like as just like a
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favorite home I mean obviously you did
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it your whole life like um I talked
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about in my solo episode of just like I
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I had already gone to public school for
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a couple years and so it was really hard
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to transition into home school and all
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of a sudden be at home with my mom all
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the time but like that was just
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obviously normal for you because that
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was all you ever do um but are there any
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particular moments that stick out in
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like early homeschool years of just like
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I don't know it could be weirdness could
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be just like an awesome moment is there
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anything like that that sticks out for
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you for like a cool moment of
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homeschooling was like we so in high
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school we did background work so we
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worked I think three or four years maybe
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our whole High School career in La so we
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did schooling and like the the sets the
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background sets and that was really cool
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um and like growing up you know there
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was the flexibility of like if we wanted
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to have a random day off we could go
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have a day off and go to the park or go
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to the beach um or family came into town
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you know it was kind of a free day uh we
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would make up for it later but you know
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we could easily take that day off um so
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that was something I really enjoyed was
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the flexibility of it and to just be
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with my sisters all the time you know we
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we fought like crazy but we like were
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together all the time and those were
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like my best friends so um and a
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negative probably aspect for me was just
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you know being so isolated
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and missing out on like the sports um
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the proms homecoming and you know the
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friends aspect even though I had friends
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in homeschooling there was that part of
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me that felt like you know I didn't have
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public school friends like that's what I
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had to have was public school friends I
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don't even know why not that they were
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you know any better like friends or
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friends but um there was just that part
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of me that was like I wanted to fill
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that void um and just to you know have a
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locker decorate my locker and teachers
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so um that was always something I wanted
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now looking back I'm like I was so silly
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because I was fine and I don't want that
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now so that's hilarious you brought up
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something I totally spaced on the fact
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that you um you guys were like in TV
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shows and stuff and uh yeah I I
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shouldn't have spaced on that because I
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literally was just watching uh new new
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girl and you guys were in an episode of
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new girl um yeah and I recently just
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watched that episode so um I don't know
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how I spaced on that but what like how
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many TV shows were you guys in do you
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remember oh gosh I so it was Andrea Jose
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and I that did background work so
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between all three of us God there was so
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many TV shows and commercials movies um
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I think oh gosh I don't even know how
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many shows I was on I was on a lot I
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think the ones that you could probably
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see me is probably like three or four
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shows um I was on the show Parenthood
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for six months or five or six months um
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so that was really fun new girl I was on
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I think it was two days uh and that was
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the one show new girl that I was like I
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don't want people to remember
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me and that's the only show people see
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me on because I was so sick that day
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like I had a fever like the flu I had to
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cough like I look so miserable in that
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episode I'm the one wearing the green
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shirt and I remember thinking like I
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never want people to remember me from
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this episode and now that's the only
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episode people will message me about so
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it's so funny um but yeah so I was on
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New Girl and then Parenthood was my
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favorite show because that was just very
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family based um and like everyone was
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just so sweet anded down to earth and I
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pretty much did like senior year on that
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Universal Studios lot so was that kind
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of like the goal of like like how did
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you guys fall into that like was it was
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it something where you guys had just
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wanted to act and so you were like okay
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let's look for opportunities and then
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like was there was the the goal to like
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make it a career or like what what was
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kind of the the thing there because
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that's like such a cool thing to like be
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able to do especially like to say like
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oh yeah and you know I as a homeschool
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kid yeah I also got to go like work on
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TV shows and commercials and stuff
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that's super fun well since we were
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Andrea and I were little we wanted to be
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like an actress um I was like I want to
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be like Hillary Duff you know and of
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course be the next Lizzie MaGuire and so
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that was like our dream was to be famous
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and so um and my older sister had
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experience doing that when she was
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younger and so my mom kept telling us
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like I don't think you want to do that
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and all this stuff and and so we were
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like you know begging her to do this and
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so finally she let us and she was going
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to let us make that decision ourself um
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like once we were in high school and she
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like kind of took us in there our uncle
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was an actor um so he knew what industry
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what managements to get into that were
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safe um and so that's what we did was we
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got into the management and they just
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started sending us calls and they call
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you and say like I need a 16-year-old
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Hispanic girl with black hair to be on
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you know this show and stuff and then
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you accept the the call and then they
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send you and so um so that's kind of how
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we got started now once we started it I
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was like I hate it I do not like this um
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it was so fun and I'm thankful for the
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experience and the shows I was on but it
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was
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so tough because there is this very high
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standard that you need to be perfect you
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need to be skinny you need to be tall
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you need need to be outgoing like all
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these standards that you need to meet
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and if you don't meet those standards
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they will tell you the directors will
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tell you no matter how old you are um
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and so that was really hard to hear that
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and even if you met all those standards
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um you can't like outshine the main
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actress and that happened to me once on
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a TV show was I looked basically too
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good and so they needed to move me to
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the back because I look too good and so
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that was like a little shocking because
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it was like okay I'm doing everything
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you would like me to do and now I look
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too perfect so um so that was a little
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tough and you know there's just the
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competition with all the other kids that
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want their shot that want to be an actor
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comedian models whatever so there's a
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lot of competition and then you're
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dealing with Stage moms and Stage moms
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are a whole another level and so that
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was that was really hard was the comp
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ition and at that point I wasn't doing
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background to become an actress or a
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Hollywood star it was it just became
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like I just needed to make money because
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I wanted to provide for my family um and
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so by that point I was like I don't care
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like if the uh directors assistant
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directors would come in looking for kids
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they just moms throw themselves at them
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they throw their kids at them and I was
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just like you know I'm over it if I get
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picked I get picked and a lot of the
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times I would get picked because I
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wasn't throwing myself at these
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directors um but yeah so it was really
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tough and then once I turned 18 you're
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no longer um covered by like law that
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like you know all those under 18 law
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requirements so you're like free game so
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by that point I was like I'm over it I
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don't really want to do this anymore um
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my parents were going through a divorce
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and so I was like I just want to be home
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I don't want to keep going out to LA
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gone for 10 hours a day not knowing
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what's happen at home so that's when I
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was like okay I'm I'm done with this but
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I am thankful for the the opportunity
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that I had especially being so close to
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La so that's super cool I yeah I don't
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know that we've ever chatted about that
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before but I always like I've always
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kind of wondered because I was like I
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mean I think every kid has that dream of
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like oh I want to be famous someday but
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like not everyone actually like take
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steps to like pursue that and so it was
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definitely cool to like you know know
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people that were like oh well he's been
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on TV shows and they've been in
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commercials and things like that even
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though maybe it wasn't as glamorous
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behind the scenes um yeah but that is
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really cool and also like so many skills
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that you learn off of that right the
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ability to like go out and if you do
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have lines or just like be confident
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enough on camera I mean I'm super camera
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shy um it's so uh yeah so it's weird
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that I'm doing a podcast now because uh
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I I hate being on camera I've been so
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much behind the scenes for so long and
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and now I'm like okay got to put it on
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on me you're doing great though well
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thank you um also you know being a
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homeschool kid you know a lot of us fear
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like public speaking I mean I think a
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lot of people fear like public speaking
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or like just that having to present
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yourself to the world right and so
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that's what a great way to kind of like
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get out of that like just push through
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that is like be on TV right um and
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especially like you got to go through
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like you said like auditions and
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fighting against like other kids who are
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up for the same role and like but I
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think what you said there about just
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like not really caring just being like
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you know I'm going to let my performance
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speak for itself and people respected
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that and picked you for it the best
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advice I ever got when I got to college
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was I had a professor who sat me down
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and just said you got to learn to be
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cool like you just got to fit in with
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the crowd um kind of a thing yes and
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obviously you present your unique self
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but like you're not pushing to you're
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not overdoing it right you're just there
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cool and you can hang with anybody and
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you can be cool and you can just be in
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the room and so um yeah you and your
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sister have always been super cool in my
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book um too cool for school so oh my
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gosh oh thank you so aside from that is
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obviously a huge extracurricular which
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you know a big myth that is that a lot
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of homeschoolers don't have
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extracurriculars that is a huge
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extracurricular but you also talked
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about the fact that you felt like you
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were missing out so much in school
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because you didn't have a locker you you
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weren't in sports you know um kind of
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the standard you know junior high high
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school stuff that a lot of a lot of guys
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and girls go through and so yeah was
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there any other like extracurricular
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stuff you guys were doing aside from
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aside from acting in school or like or
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was it mostly just that um so that's
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mainly our focus in high school but we
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still were doing like um the homes
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school dances uh dance lessons so like
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swing um I I remember you talking about
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like the Co swing I remember that one
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Lindy Hop the waltz um the English
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country dancing so we did all those um
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but I have to say this like sorry to my
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mother because we did not go easily we
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went kicking and screaming at least I
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know I did um because I did not want to
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learn those dances um because I I felt
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like I was too cool for school um now
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I'm super thankful I know those dances
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but yeah so we did all those lessons and
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then I would do like AYSO soccer um
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every year it was like every fall so
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that's something that we would do and
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then we also were at the community
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college Ventura College um taking Sports
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classes so you do like soccer um
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swimming tennis or whatever so even like
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a gym class so that's kind of like what
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we would do um and I think that's pretty
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much it like we would do like knitting
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classes there's a lot of that HX stuff I
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feel like cuz yeah my sister something
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like that and home economics we had to
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learn how to be like a good housewife
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you know and cook and sew and all these
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things so there was all that stuff um
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and I did not go to these things easily
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it was usually a fight with my mom so um
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some of those classes were fun and I'm
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thankful I did those but then there's
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some that I'm like I could have lived
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without you know so it's so funny
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because I love cooking and I haven't
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always loved cooking but I just I love
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cooking now and um just and and I work
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from home and so like okay yeah and so
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like having a a meal on the table when
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my wife gets home from work is like I
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love it so like our it's funny cuz I
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tell people I'm like our roles are kind
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of perversed like I was used to you know
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my dad would come home from work and my
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mom would have dinner on the table and
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now I'm that so our joke is always that
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like I'm just such a good housewife um
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and uh you know I'm one of the Real
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Housewives of of Nashville um but it's
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just I I really do enjoy like that stuff
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I've always enjoyed things like sewing
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and like more of the home X stuff um and
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so it's just funny um to look at it and
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and like you said go Kicking and
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Screaming into it but you also brought
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up one of my favorite pastimes which was
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swing dance of course and yeah that was
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always a blast like you said our
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Homeschool Group had like dances every
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year and they would try to kind of like
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give us somewhat of normal High School
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junior high experience by having dances
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but it was not the typical like DJ
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bumping grind kind of a thing it was
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like we we would do swing dance Ballroom
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uh Waltz Tango Tango was risque though
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but um oh yeah but naughty chaa yeah
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Tango was naughty um yeah but those
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skills have come in so clutch so many
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times for me on just like just the most
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random events that I've been at where
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it's just like oh we everyone's doing
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the Charleston all of a sudden it's like
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oh I know how to do that you know um but
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that's so funny um earlier I think you
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brought up you brought up prom and I was
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remembering as we were talking that we
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actually went to the same prom not
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together um but it was on a padle yeah
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not not together um I am having Julia on
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though and we are gonna hopefully talk
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about that's going to be so fun oh my
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gosh yeah I'm very excited so I went to
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two prom I went to prom with car France
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and then the following year that was my
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junior prom and then my senior prom I
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went with our friend Julia and um you
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were there as well it was on a paddle
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booat from what I remember yes and uh it
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was in combination with I think was it
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it was like a Christian High School I
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think um and so it was a mix of
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homeschool kids and private school kids
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a lot of who we who we knew um yeah from
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from they they had been homeschool kids
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I think a lot of them uh before they
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went to private school yeah so good
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times but that was I remember those
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experiences being a little bit different
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because since it wasn't a homeschool
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event the the DJ was just playing like
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dance music and I felt like The
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Homeschool kids like didn't know what to
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do with it right yeah and my inner
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Mexican came out because uh well I don't
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look it I am a quarter Hispanic and so
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but I was all I had was my my great
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grandma Alice in my head going you just
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got to go out there and shake it um
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because that was her birthday parties
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was always just like this big festival
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and they would have a DJ and we just go
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party on a dance floor kind of a thing
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and so um and she's and I would always
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be as a kid I was like but I don't know
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how to and she's like it doesn't matter
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you just make it up as you go along and
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so I feel like you did the worm at that
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I don't think so I I was never a worm
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guy maybe you were moving a lot now that
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you're talking about it I remember you
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dancing a lot like on the boat right is
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that what you're talking about yeah that
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was yeah I remember it was you and then
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there had to been someone else I think
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it was someone else that went to the
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Christian School that was dancing like
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so crazy and it was like wow like we
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were dancing to like dynamite and okay I
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have to share I remember I do remember
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the proms but those were not the proms I
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want um I do remember the first prom we
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went to was that Aliva Adobe I believe
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um because we were both part of a cheve
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just so everyone's aware um and I
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remember we someone requested the rift
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shop by mamore to be played and and I
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can't remember I'm pretty sure you were
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there I don't remember if you remember
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this moment but um that song came on and
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a mom got very very upset and demanded
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it be shut off and then we had to start
00:18:50
praying do you remember that I do
00:18:52
remember that you know it's so funny how
00:18:54
music is such a like it it can be such a
00:18:58
turnoff and goes into like the
00:19:00
protective nature of like homeschool
00:19:02
parents and like religious parents in
00:19:04
general of like my parents let me get
00:19:07
away with a lot obviously they protected
00:19:09
me from some some music Thrift Shop was
00:19:11
one that it snuck in but the queen
00:19:13
version snuck in um kind of a thing but
00:19:17
I had an instance where after I had
00:19:19
graduated I I left I went to college I
00:19:22
got a phone call was at college that I
00:19:25
was coming home for Christmas and they
00:19:28
said hey we need a DJ for this
00:19:30
homeschool Christian dance and I was
00:19:32
like or homeschool Christmas dance
00:19:34
excuse me um and I was like oh yeah sure
00:19:36
I still have all the playlists I have
00:19:38
all that stuff so yeah I got it swing
00:19:40
dance you got it I got you covered I'm
00:19:43
there I'm DJing I put on a queen song
00:19:46
and a mom instantly runs over to me and
00:19:49
I'm like oh no and she is all these
00:19:51
songs by the way have been approved by
00:19:53
achieve they've gone through the circuit
00:19:55
she comes running over to me and she
00:19:56
goes do you know that that song is sing
00:19:59
by a gay man and I was like yes it's
00:20:02
Queen like every everyone knows who
00:20:03
Queen is I and she's like you need to
00:20:07
turn that off right now and I said well
00:20:08
it's approved music by a so like if you
00:20:11
don't like it you can take it up with
00:20:13
them but like I'm not about to just cut
00:20:15
this song off Midway um kind of a deal
00:20:17
and her and I had this like little back
00:20:18
and forth and she was and it was just so
00:20:20
funny and I don't know I don't know why
00:20:24
I get it for some songs obviously there
00:20:26
there's there's very runchy songs out
00:20:28
there that yeah maybe we shouldn't have
00:20:30
been listening to but um at the same
00:20:32
time it was just like we're enjoying
00:20:34
we're dancing to Queen it's not that big
00:20:36
of a deal you know um yes exactly yeah
00:20:39
that
00:20:40
was that was a fun time because I
00:20:43
remember that song was very popular and
00:20:45
it was like come on like we I was about
00:20:47
to drop it like I was really excited
00:20:49
finally a good song was playing and then
00:20:52
we had to pray so yep that was a
00:20:55
highlight of prom for me and then of
00:20:57
course the boat was fun and
00:20:59
chaotic as well being dress coded up and
00:21:03
up and down so let's talk about that a
00:21:05
little bit because it's something that
00:21:08
well I personally got dress coded maybe
00:21:11
once or twice but it was but for guys it
00:21:13
was a lot easier so in our homes School
00:21:15
Community for dances for I mean it was
00:21:17
basically for everything there was dress
00:21:19
code for guys it's pretty simple just
00:21:21
wear slacks and a dress shirt I mean
00:21:24
unless you show up wearing a dress shirt
00:21:25
that has like Playboy bunnies on it I
00:21:28
really don't think they're going to turn
00:21:29
you away kind of a thing you know like
00:21:31
it was one of those things where it's
00:21:32
like yeah unless what you are wearing
00:21:34
has something risque on it or if you
00:21:36
show up and ripped jeans like they're
00:21:38
really not and even if you showed up in
00:21:39
jeans half the time you could get you
00:21:41
could you could smooth talk your way in
00:21:43
yeah the girls had it so much harder
00:21:45
because I mean one you guys had to cover
00:21:47
cleavage straps had to be a certain
00:21:50
thickness like lengthwise it had to be
00:21:53
you know so what like tell me about that
00:21:55
and like what that I don't know like
00:21:57
that just seems crazy to me oh my gosh
00:22:01
that was I was telling my mom this like
00:22:03
that was probably the
00:22:05
most tough situations to be in as a
00:22:10
junior higher even Elementary I don't
00:22:12
know what how old we had to be to go to
00:22:13
these dances but however young it was
00:22:16
all the way through high school was just
00:22:18
very um hard to hear things you know
00:22:22
that they say you know have lasagna
00:22:24
straps not spaghetti straps don't show
00:22:26
your cleavage the ne the your skirt
00:22:28
needs to be touching the top of your
00:22:31
knee and don't make the boy stumble like
00:22:34
just to hear things like that where it's
00:22:36
like you're always the problem and you
00:22:40
have to make sure that you hold a higher
00:22:42
standard as a woman especially for the
00:22:44
boys that are going through so much um
00:22:47
it was really hard because um there
00:22:51
there were ways you could smooth talk to
00:22:53
get in but you could smooth talk one mom
00:22:56
and three moms are upset so um so that
00:22:59
was really hard because when you did get
00:23:01
in you're getting looked down upon of
00:23:03
like oh she's she's showing and and I
00:23:08
hated when the rulers would come out
00:23:11
when they would pull the rulers out to
00:23:13
measure your skirt make sure see how
00:23:15
close it is is it half an inch quarter
00:23:17
of an inch touching your knee I hated
00:23:19
that because at that point everyone
00:23:21
could see you you're at the front door
00:23:23
right next to the front door is the
00:23:24
whole ballroom dance room and your
00:23:27
friends are watching oh she going to
00:23:28
come in you pay your money you go in um
00:23:30
and then to be turned away and say no
00:23:32
you have to go home and change and for
00:23:34
families like us like a grw up in oxnar
00:23:37
having to go to these dances in Ventura
00:23:39
or even ohigh it was hard and like I
00:23:43
love the dances because I got to be with
00:23:44
my friends um so like my mom would take
00:23:48
us home and we would change and she
00:23:49
would take us back so it was things like
00:23:51
that that was really just annoying we
00:23:54
and know it's not like these these moms
00:23:56
didn't know us these were our friends
00:23:58
moms these were moms in achieve that
00:24:00
knew us and it was just like let us in
00:24:04
sometimes I mean at some point we just
00:24:05
started bringing extra clothes with us
00:24:07
because we didn't want to have to make
00:24:09
the trip back um so we just go change
00:24:12
and and you know you work so hard as a
00:24:14
junior higher in a high school you want
00:24:15
to look cute you're going through
00:24:17
puberty you know you want you're
00:24:19
starting to notice like oh I can wear
00:24:20
makeup I can do my hair and then to be
00:24:23
told like oh you're showing too much go
00:24:25
home at some point it's like you might
00:24:27
as well just wear a t-shirt shirt and
00:24:29
skirt down to your ankles because you're
00:24:33
going to get talked about sometimes
00:24:34
emails would be sent um and that was
00:24:38
that was really hard because I think we
00:24:40
started to gain a reputation as we just
00:24:43
don't follow the rules because there's
00:24:45
you know two of us with my twin and I
00:24:48
then my older sister who was in high
00:24:49
school still at some point I think we
00:24:51
did some dances together um so it was it
00:24:54
was really hard and annoying and I think
00:24:57
what likes me the most is don't make the
00:24:59
boys stumble because it was like that is
00:25:01
not our job yeah to keep the boys from
00:25:05
stumbling it's really interesting you
00:25:06
bring that up because I just did an
00:25:09
interview for a show um and I talked
00:25:12
about purity culture and I talked about
00:25:13
growing up in Purity culture um and yeah
00:25:16
that was a big that was a big emphasis
00:25:17
of like it's the girl's job to make sure
00:25:19
you don't stumble and I always first of
00:25:22
all that's um just play as
00:25:25
simple it's um as guys it's
00:25:28
already responsibility to you know keep
00:25:30
your thoughts to yourself and to you
00:25:32
know and like to control yourself
00:25:35
honestly and you know if a girl wearing
00:25:38
spaghetti straps over lasagna thick
00:25:40
straps um is going to be that thing that
00:25:42
does it for you uh check yourself um
00:25:46
because that's not okay um and so I feel
00:25:50
so bad for all all of you girls because
00:25:52
I mean I think there was an unreasonable
00:25:55
expectation that wasn't even necessarily
00:25:57
coming
00:25:59
from your peers it was coming from
00:26:01
parents right wanting to protect their
00:26:03
kids but well so I think that's where
00:26:06
it's hard because it it doesn't 100%
00:26:08
come from a bad place but it comes from
00:26:12
a place of parents not wanting to have
00:26:14
actual conversations with their kids
00:26:17
about like when you're going through
00:26:19
puberty I mean just like the emotions
00:26:22
and the the hormones are raging right
00:26:25
and like if you have a parent who's
00:26:27
actually just willing to sit down with
00:26:28
you and talk about what's going on in
00:26:29
your body and like how do you respond to
00:26:31
that and like especially as a guy like
00:26:33
also like what does it mean to like have
00:26:35
female friends and like what does it
00:26:37
mean to be in a romantic relationship
00:26:38
and all these things it's like well all
00:26:40
of it's really not that hard to control
00:26:43
yourself and um and not not look
00:26:47
lustfully at a girl um because it's not
00:26:50
her job
00:26:51
to um it's yeah it's not her job to keep
00:26:54
you pure it's your own job you know and
00:26:57
so I sorry that that happened to you
00:26:59
that is terrible I laugh about it now
00:27:02
yeah it's it's nice to kind of be out of
00:27:04
it um to some degree right and it's like
00:27:07
okay now you don't have to necessar you
00:27:10
don't have somebody telling you you
00:27:11
can't wear a short skirt or spaghetti
00:27:14
straps or strapless um even um for my
00:27:17
sister I know that was a big deal too my
00:27:19
sister super tall she's taller than I am
00:27:22
and her legs just go for miles and so
00:27:24
just finding anything that fit her was
00:27:26
just also ridiculously hard you know and
00:27:29
yeah and I mean my parents were on the
00:27:31
board of a chief so if we showed up and
00:27:33
we got dress coded that was not a good
00:27:35
look right um yeah uh but so they kind
00:27:39
of they checked us like usually before
00:27:41
we left the house which I mean I'm sure
00:27:43
your mom did too I'm sure your mom went
00:27:45
you guys look amazing like we're gonna
00:27:47
go we're gonna have such a great time
00:27:48
and yeah to show up and then be told
00:27:50
like no your dress doesn't meet it's
00:27:52
like what are you talking about that is
00:27:54
just no are you kidding me yeah I mean
00:27:57
we would pull our birs down to as low as
00:27:59
we could so it could touch our knee and
00:28:01
then once if we did pass then we'd pull
00:28:03
our skirt back up like oh it's not
00:28:05
touching our knee or like pull our
00:28:07
shirts up as high as we could and then
00:28:09
once we were in pull them down a little
00:28:10
bit but my mom was like our biggest
00:28:12
supportive like you know you girls are
00:28:15
beautiful don't let them tell you
00:28:16
anything like she she was very
00:28:19
supportive and like she would remind us
00:28:21
like these are not your moms this is not
00:28:24
your mom I'm your mom and if I say it's
00:28:26
okay you can wear that and so so that
00:28:28
really helped cuz you know it's it does
00:28:30
leave a mark so um so to hear that you
00:28:34
know when we get dress coded even like
00:28:36
even if we didn't like she would say
00:28:37
like remember I'm your mom and you know
00:28:39
you only need to listen to me in my
00:28:41
rules like obviously respect the other
00:28:42
moms um and like you look beautiful you
00:28:45
don't have to dance with a guy you don't
00:28:48
want to so like to have those pet talks
00:28:50
before um was really helpful because
00:28:52
there was times where we would leave the
00:28:54
dance like sometimes crying because you
00:28:56
know people moms would make comments and
00:28:59
stuff so our mom was very supportive and
00:29:02
sometimes she would like you know drop
00:29:04
us off because it was just easier not to
00:29:05
be there the drama and by the time we
00:29:08
went high school we we had a backbone we
00:29:12
could stand up for ourselves where I
00:29:14
think that started causing friction
00:29:16
between some homeschool moms um but by
00:29:19
that point we were just like you know
00:29:21
you can't tell us what to do yeah which
00:29:23
was not good I'm not saying that was the
00:29:25
right thing but like we just had to
00:29:27
start standing up for ourselves cuz it
00:29:29
it was either stand up for ourselves or
00:29:30
let it affect us in the life in the long
00:29:33
run yeah so I yeah I we were talking
00:29:36
before we started recording about those
00:29:38
dances and and um and we were talking
00:29:42
about you felt safe dancing with me
00:29:45
because I wasn't a creep and firstly I
00:29:47
appreciate you saying that and that's
00:29:48
not to toot my own horn but um but it
00:29:51
it's funny because I think the only
00:29:53
comments that ever got made to me at
00:29:54
those dances was I had one dad come to
00:29:56
me after I had danced with his daughter
00:29:58
and he said I didn't like the way that
00:30:00
you touched her and I was like okay and
00:30:04
I don't know what you want me to do
00:30:06
about it I I didn't like I didn't feel
00:30:08
like I did anything wrong and I it was
00:30:10
not the intention right um and the
00:30:13
result of that was I never danced with
00:30:14
her ever again and I always felt really
00:30:16
bad um because years later she found out
00:30:18
that like that was the reason and she
00:30:20
was so mad at her dad for it um H
00:30:24
because he couldn't tell me what I did
00:30:25
wrong he just was like oh I didn't like
00:30:28
whatever I was like but what about it
00:30:30
did you like and it's like it's you know
00:30:32
it's just like those little comments
00:30:34
like that can dig at you and and yeah
00:30:35
really get you upset and bothered which
00:30:37
is like not a good thing you know yeah
00:30:40
definitely not I don't know if you
00:30:42
experienced this at all but another very
00:30:45
common thing in The Homeschool Group was
00:30:47
if you were dating um a lot of
00:30:50
homeschool families a lot of Christian
00:30:51
families in general do this but they do
00:30:53
the whole like courtship before you're
00:30:55
dating parents are very invol
00:30:58
they go on the dates with you that kind
00:31:01
of thing but like did you have to
00:31:03
experience anything like that um no I so
00:31:08
it was kind of confusing like my mom's
00:31:09
role is we couldn't date until we were
00:31:11
16 but my dad's role is 18 um so I just
00:31:14
didn't date I was like there's just I
00:31:16
don't want to date it's too much drama
00:31:18
um and I I was more into the partying
00:31:22
and like other things you know besides
00:31:25
dating so that really wasn't my focus
00:31:27
until after After High School I did have
00:31:29
crushes and I'm sure my mom knew who my
00:31:32
crushes were CU I probably was horrible
00:31:34
at hiding them um but I never
00:31:37
experienced it but I would see things
00:31:40
that would happen that was like that's a
00:31:42
little interesting or like you know the
00:31:44
courtships was I think I saw so many
00:31:47
courtships that it just freaked me out
00:31:49
that I didn't want to I didn't want to
00:31:51
be in one I would hear what the rules
00:31:53
were what you had to do and it was just
00:31:55
like no not that my mom would make me do
00:31:57
that like my mom was super chill about
00:32:00
that stuff but it was the pressure
00:32:02
coming from everyone and I really feel
00:32:06
bad saying this I really did not want to
00:32:08
date a homeschooler um so my interest
00:32:12
was
00:32:13
never in The
00:32:15
Homeschool like area I had crushes and
00:32:17
stuff but they were just more like for
00:32:19
fun I was a high schooler you know
00:32:22
thirsty kind of thing but it was never
00:32:24
like oh I I want to marry him or I love
00:32:26
him it was just like yeah cute let's
00:32:28
mess with him but yeah no I'm I'm really
00:32:31
thankful I never experien this and I'm
00:32:34
sorry you did but I just yeah I think
00:32:37
that would have scarred me if I did no
00:32:39
you I think we both let out um now being
00:32:42
married to non- homeschoolers because I
00:32:45
I don't know about your husband but my
00:32:46
wife definitely points out some of my
00:32:48
weirdness and has helped me overcome
00:32:51
certain things where she's like I don't
00:32:52
get why you get hung up on this and it's
00:32:54
like it's it's the upbringing thing yeah
00:32:57
that she did didn't have to deal with
00:32:58
that and so she's just like she's cool
00:33:01
she's normal you know um so to speak I
00:33:03
mean we're all normal in our own ways
00:33:04
but oh yeah totally that's exactly how
00:33:07
my husband loves to point out like oh
00:33:09
your homeschooler showing or is that
00:33:12
something you guys did in homeschooling
00:33:13
like the swing dancing and like certain
00:33:16
shows like I wasn't allowed to watch
00:33:17
SpongeBob or like w wizards of wly place
00:33:20
and he's like oh it's the whole school
00:33:22
in you and it's like yeah but I'm also
00:33:24
glad I didn't watch SpongeBob now um but
00:33:27
like there's things like that that he
00:33:29
likes to make jokes about and now I I
00:33:31
think it's funny cuz I'm like oh my God
00:33:32
that's actually pretty hilarious that
00:33:34
what I thought was still normal is not
00:33:36
normal so yeah it's all within the
00:33:39
context of what you live in right it's
00:33:41
like it yeah you realize you don't
00:33:43
realize until after the fact that you're
00:33:45
like that was not that was not normal um
00:33:48
in any sense of the word but um let's
00:33:51
talk let's pivot a little bit and talk
00:33:53
about post homeschool years and like
00:33:56
kind of going into
00:33:58
career path you're now a mom um like
00:34:02
what what did that look like for you um
00:34:05
it was very challenging um because I
00:34:08
think the main thing was my parents got
00:34:10
divorced when we were 17 so um senior
00:34:14
year they were we were going like our
00:34:16
family was like separating and it was
00:34:18
just really a really dark time so by the
00:34:20
time that all finished and I finished
00:34:22
high school um I just was in a very dark
00:34:25
place and so I really just focused on
00:34:27
partying drinking and all the things
00:34:30
you're not supposed to do um so I was
00:34:33
still in Community College I had been in
00:34:37
Community College all throughout High
00:34:39
School uh which I'm very thankful my mom
00:34:41
had us do uh so I was continuing my
00:34:44
community college education during that
00:34:46
time but I was so into partying and all
00:34:48
that I was failing my classes so um I
00:34:52
ended up taking some time off from
00:34:54
college and just working uh like just
00:34:58
like low-end jobs and because I just
00:35:00
wasn't ready I wasn't ready to go back
00:35:01
to college I was dealing with a lot of
00:35:03
stuff um and finally I think maybe two
00:35:08
years after out of high school two or
00:35:10
three years uh my mom sat me down and
00:35:12
was like you know you really need to go
00:35:15
do something to make you happy because I
00:35:17
was finally getting out of my hearty
00:35:20
face and just bad lifestyle and so she
00:35:24
recommended that I do ywam which is used
00:35:27
with a mission it's like a six-month
00:35:28
Mission strip and so I just needed a
00:35:32
change there was so much change that had
00:35:34
happened in the last 2 three years that
00:35:35
I just needed basically to get away and
00:35:38
so I did I went to Germany and Malaysia
00:35:41
for a total of six months um and that
00:35:44
just changed my life I think I just
00:35:46
needed to heal I needed to repair my
00:35:48
walk with God and deal with everything
00:35:51
that um felt normal in my childhood uh I
00:35:55
needed to just deal with that because it
00:35:57
was not normal and being homeschooled
00:35:59
you're so isolated even though you're
00:36:00
doing all these extracurriculars you're
00:36:02
still very isolated um so I felt trapped
00:36:06
for a lot of that um so to deal with
00:36:08
that and heal was very helpful and then
00:36:10
once I came home I was ready to go back
00:36:12
to school so I finished Community
00:36:15
College then the pandemic hit and that
00:36:17
just was really hard um but I made it
00:36:21
through you know my husband who was my
00:36:23
boyfriend at the time really helped me
00:36:26
pass Community College
00:36:28
and if it weren't for him I would not
00:36:29
have a degree or my mom my mom really
00:36:32
pushed us um she I know there's that
00:36:36
stigma that like the mom sto After High
00:36:38
School my mom was with me till I got my
00:36:41
bachelor's degree this past year like
00:36:43
she never gave up she always helped me
00:36:46
with FAFSA she always helped me with
00:36:48
classes like you know even being 21 she
00:36:51
was doing things with me to help me get
00:36:54
my college education so um so then I
00:36:58
finally got accepted to a university
00:37:00
after Community College and then got my
00:37:03
degree in Communications and it was hard
00:37:05
because when I look at it I'm like I
00:37:08
basically was in college for like well
00:37:10
including high school over like 10 years
00:37:13
but aside from that it was it was
00:37:14
probably like four years and so to see
00:37:17
my friends that are my age who got their
00:37:19
degrees like three four years ago and I
00:37:21
just got mine this year was a little
00:37:23
challenging but now I feel like so much
00:37:26
in a better place cuz I'm like
00:37:28
everyone's journey is different and at
00:37:31
least I got my degree that was my only
00:37:33
goal in life like sounds silly but my
00:37:36
only goal in life was to just get my
00:37:38
bachelor's degree because we had gone
00:37:40
through so much that I just needed to
00:37:43
know I could do it because like hearing
00:37:45
your whole life from my dad like oh you
00:37:48
know you're not smart enough and you
00:37:50
know college degrees are worthless and
00:37:52
things like that to know that I was able
00:37:54
to do it was so empowering for me and so
00:37:57
have that college degree be married and
00:37:59
have a kid like it's been amazing but I
00:38:02
am really thankful because my mom she
00:38:05
basically held my hand the whole time
00:38:07
and I'm so thankful for that because I
00:38:08
know a lot of kids didn't have that uh
00:38:11
but she just she really believed in all
00:38:13
of us and pushed us and you know we were
00:38:17
we were monsters to her all of us with
00:38:19
getting our degree but she never gave up
00:38:21
on us and now all her kids have a
00:38:24
bachelor's degree or master's degree so
00:38:26
I'm really thankful and that's just
00:38:28
where it's been so don't ask me what I'm
00:38:30
doing with my degree now because I can't
00:38:32
answer that but I have it that's okay
00:38:35
hey you you have a six-month-old so I
00:38:37
mean you are allowed to play mom for the
00:38:40
time being um yes for as long as you
00:38:42
want um and you know and also I mean
00:38:45
degrees it doesn't mean you ever have to
00:38:48
use it you will use it regardless but
00:38:50
it's just yeah and you know what's so
00:38:52
interesting is that I think in The
00:38:55
Homeschool Community there's kind of
00:38:57
this idea especially in a Christian
00:38:59
homeschool community that everybody's
00:39:01
family is like super happy behind the
00:39:04
scenes and like things are going well
00:39:06
and like you know and that's just not
00:39:08
the case the more and more I talk to
00:39:10
people the more I realize like oh my
00:39:12
gosh like their parents hated each other
00:39:13
or as siblings like they really don't
00:39:15
get along or like you know there are
00:39:18
these insane things that we never knew
00:39:21
we going on behind the scenes um and so
00:39:24
every like you said everyone's journey
00:39:26
is like so vastly different and you know
00:39:29
obviously like congratulations to like
00:39:31
making it through and um yeah I never I
00:39:35
never want to judge anybody for like oh
00:39:37
it took you 10 years to get a degree
00:39:39
that's like you know it's like no you
00:39:41
did regardless how fast how quick you
00:39:43
how slow it doesn't matter like you did
00:39:45
it that's that's incredible yeah and
00:39:48
during all that you healed and you
00:39:50
traveled and you probably had incredible
00:39:53
experiences during that whole period as
00:39:55
well so so yes collaps to you um of
00:39:59
course that's wonderful and
00:40:00
congratulations that you said you
00:40:02
graduated this year like just a few
00:40:03
months ago wow yeah I graduated in May
00:40:06
so last of well technically I finished
00:40:09
in December but I walked in May so yeah
00:40:13
very cool well congratulations that's
00:40:15
amazing thank you that yeah I remember
00:40:18
walking through and that feeling of
00:40:21
like accomplishing something like that
00:40:23
is is huge and like I had parents too
00:40:25
who kind of like they
00:40:27
had prepped me to want to go to college
00:40:29
or at least to pursue something outside
00:40:31
of like being a homeschool kid and just
00:40:33
the way that my drive was I was like if
00:40:37
I don't go now I never am going to do
00:40:39
this and so I was like I can't I can't
00:40:41
stop so I went right from high school
00:40:43
into college and then did it in three
00:40:45
years mostly because I hated it there
00:40:47
because I was so used to like I liked
00:40:49
the homeschool experience of like hand
00:40:51
me a textbook and like hand me a
00:40:53
syllabus and I can just make it happen
00:40:55
um so like going to classes was like not
00:40:57
I didn't I didn't love that but like
00:41:00
doing it in three years and then walking
00:41:02
out of there being being like Oh my gosh
00:41:03
I did I did something like when I
00:41:05
figured out that I could do it in three
00:41:06
years I was like oh my gosh I'm going to
00:41:07
do this I I can make this happen and uh
00:41:11
yeah and I don't feel a desire to go
00:41:12
back and do any other type of higher
00:41:15
education I don't want a masters I don't
00:41:16
want a doctorate um but I still am
00:41:19
learning every day which like I think is
00:41:21
important um that's super cool for those
00:41:24
people who are thinking about
00:41:27
homeschooling their kids and I mean
00:41:29
you're a mom now so you actually can
00:41:31
like even speak to this probably better
00:41:34
than a lot of people can but like who
00:41:37
are thinking about homeschooling their
00:41:38
kids or doing like non-traditional
00:41:40
school for their kids like would you say
00:41:42
like yes like 100% do it you know are
00:41:45
you on the fence about it like what um
00:41:48
what goes through your head when it
00:41:48
comes to that kind of stuff I definitely
00:41:51
want to homeschool my kids for sure my
00:41:54
daughter right now but um I would love
00:41:57
to homeschool I think I would do it
00:42:00
probably the same way as my mom not
00:42:03
keeping us as sheltered and you know
00:42:05
under Rock she really educated us on
00:42:08
like old classic movies and music and
00:42:10
stuff so I appreciate that she didn't
00:42:12
block us um from that kind of stuff
00:42:15
which didn't make us resistant to her in
00:42:17
that area um so that's kind of the area
00:42:20
of how I would want to homeschool um you
00:42:23
know our kids someday uh and just the
00:42:25
freedom to do what I want want and teach
00:42:28
what I want and but also you know teach
00:42:31
what's out there in the world with a
00:42:33
little bit more control um I've just
00:42:35
heard some stories you know how the
00:42:36
public school system is now that it just
00:42:39
makes me a little nervous um but you
00:42:42
know it's it definitely will take a lot
00:42:46
it makes me nervous because I'm not a
00:42:48
patient person and so I know that you
00:42:52
know that would be challenging but uh
00:42:55
I'm definitely very open to it recommend
00:42:57
it to people because I do think it's
00:42:59
amazing I know a lot of homeschool
00:43:01
families now that are still in that
00:43:04
process and they love it and I think
00:43:06
it's so different now today than it was
00:43:08
for us in high school um since the
00:43:11
pandemic because everyone had to do
00:43:12
school at home so there's a lot more
00:43:14
resources there's a lot more um
00:43:17
educational books that people can use so
00:43:19
like I feel like there's way more
00:43:21
resources for families to use rather
00:43:23
than one or two specific curriculums um
00:43:27
and yeah I would just I would love that
00:43:29
my husband is a little on the fence you
00:43:31
know he doesn't want to have his thing
00:43:34
is I don't want to have weird homeschool
00:43:35
kids and I totally get that that's
00:43:37
completely valid but I just remind him
00:43:40
you know like I turned out okay like
00:43:42
people are so surprised when I tell him
00:43:44
I was homeschooled because I have very
00:43:46
good social skills um so I always
00:43:49
encourage him like you know I would I
00:43:50
would do it to the best of my knowledge
00:43:52
of what I was trained and brought up in
00:43:55
my family but I know he is nervous for
00:43:58
that so hopefully that's our goal is to
00:44:02
homeschool um or just have a little bit
00:44:04
more control of the education that we
00:44:06
give our kids yeah that freedom yeah I
00:44:09
think Co changed it for a lot of people
00:44:11
right that freedom to be able to like to
00:44:13
go do stuff I did school at Disneyland
00:44:15
one day like I heard on your podcast
00:44:18
that's awesome yeah and it was it was
00:44:20
one of those things where I think when
00:44:22
it actually was happening I was not
00:44:24
thrilled for it but after it had
00:44:25
happened it was fine because it was one
00:44:27
of those things where I'm pretty sure my
00:44:28
parents were like okay we want to go to
00:44:30
Disneyland on this day you got to have
00:44:32
all your school work done I didn't do it
00:44:34
so I had to take it with me and that
00:44:37
meant okay I got to sit in Disneyland
00:44:39
and work on math problems well this
00:44:41
sucks but it actually was a lot of fun
00:44:43
because Disneyland is as most people
00:44:46
know is a magical place great music
00:44:48
great smells characters walking around
00:44:50
magk exactly it made it actually so much
00:44:53
better than sitting at the kitchen table
00:44:55
um trying to knock it out so yeah that's
00:44:59
so cool but yeah I have so many friends
00:45:00
now who they had kids during the
00:45:03
pandemic or like right before the
00:45:05
pandemic and their kids are just
00:45:06
starting to hit like School ages and
00:45:08
they're like yeah we're thinking about
00:45:10
pulling our kids out and doing
00:45:11
homeschool and like going and traveling
00:45:12
the world and seeing stuff and I'm like
00:45:14
that is such a cool opportunity of like
00:45:17
yeah you can literally go anywhere you
00:45:19
can do it anywhere and there's so many
00:45:20
more resources than there were back in
00:45:23
the day and I think a big part like you
00:45:25
said you have great social skills um
00:45:28
your mom obviously did a killer job and
00:45:30
you were a Comm major so you also have a
00:45:32
degree in Communications which is
00:45:35
good but uh that being able to grow up
00:45:40
in a community of people helps so much I
00:45:43
think so many people think of homeschool
00:45:45
kids as just like they only exist at
00:45:47
home you know and maybe they come out
00:45:49
for a blue moon when they restock the
00:45:51
pantry um but that was just not the case
00:45:55
I think for a lot of our friends is just
00:45:56
we
00:45:57
we had friends we had community and yeah
00:46:00
had lonely moments and stuff like that
00:46:01
but it was we were around people um yes
00:46:06
and that's that's the killer thing
00:46:08
that's what gets you uh socialized with
00:46:10
people so yeah tell your husband not to
00:46:13
worry um
00:46:14
because yeah I'm sure I'm sure you will
00:46:17
do a great job and I'm sure your mom
00:46:19
again will hold your hand and be like uh
00:46:21
you're doing this wrong oh yes she is my
00:46:24
biggest supporter but also my biggest
00:46:26
critique person so and I'm sure she
00:46:29
would love to be part of that process
00:46:30
with her grandkids so yeah hopefully
00:46:33
we'll see yeah she'll be like I don't
00:46:35
want to teach but you know bring me in
00:46:37
as an adviser um yeah yeah right the
00:46:40
principal yeah field trips I'm in um
00:46:43
exactly oh my gosh yes don't give her
00:46:46
any ideas anyway I'm trying to think is
00:46:49
there anything else you want to say to
00:46:50
hes School families or any other I don't
00:46:53
know stories that have popped up in your
00:46:54
brain of just like oh my gosh this one
00:46:56
time
00:46:58
um yeah otherwise like this has been
00:47:02
fantastic no I mean I think I would say
00:47:04
like you know for the moms out there is
00:47:07
it's okay to talk to your kids I feel
00:47:09
like that's something that I saw growing
00:47:11
up was so there wasn't a lot of
00:47:12
communication with parents and kids I
00:47:15
mean maybe I'm wrong but it just seemed
00:47:16
like there's a lot of with friends that
00:47:18
I have now that were homeschooled of
00:47:20
like oh I didn't know this or I wasn't
00:47:22
taught this um especially about like
00:47:24
when it came to like sexual uality and
00:47:28
Purity relationships um you know I think
00:47:32
it's obviously it's awkward but I think
00:47:34
it's important that that conversation is
00:47:36
out there because especially now like
00:47:38
social media is everywhere and so um you
00:47:41
know if you don't talk about it someone
00:47:42
will go find it and get the information
00:47:45
that they want and I was thinking about
00:47:47
it before I came on here I was like I
00:47:49
didn't have like Instagram or SnapChat
00:47:53
or Tik Tok when I was like in junior
00:47:55
high I think High School's when that
00:47:57
stuff started to come out but even then
00:47:58
I wasn't as into it then um I had
00:48:02
Facebook but like that was like you know
00:48:04
barely anything and so um but it it is
00:48:08
so different nowadays because I see it
00:48:11
challenging and damaging some kids
00:48:13
because they're looking for that void of
00:48:16
like what am I missing and like you know
00:48:18
how do I look perfect and all that stuff
00:48:20
and that's something that I want to make
00:48:22
sure I do with our kids is just having
00:48:24
that open conversation um um so just an
00:48:28
encouragement to Future homeschoolers is
00:48:31
just be open it sucks and it's horrible
00:48:33
and I hated having those conversations
00:48:35
with my mom but I'm thankful now because
00:48:38
there's things that I know that you know
00:48:40
a lot of my friends didn't know um
00:48:42
there's things that I also did had no
00:48:44
idea about that I learned from a lot of
00:48:47
my friends and so it was like back and
00:48:48
forth but um obviously no parent is
00:48:51
perfect and no family is perfect but um
00:48:54
I think people just think homeschooling
00:48:56
you know a lot of bad documentaries have
00:48:59
been put out there now and like you know
00:49:01
they're under a rock and isolated and
00:49:03
don't come out like you said unless to
00:49:04
fill their Pantry but like it really is
00:49:07
a beautiful thing and to see even
00:49:09
homeschoolers now out in public at the
00:49:11
park and hanging out it's just it's so
00:49:14
fun because it's like this is what like
00:49:16
it is like this is what homeschooling is
00:49:19
like you know we're out we're outside
00:49:21
we're in nature we're doing school at
00:49:23
the park you know so yeah that's just my
00:49:26
little SP no absolutely I 100% agree
00:49:28
with you and it's also never too late
00:49:31
you know there's lots of things that my
00:49:32
my parents uh we didn't talk about when
00:49:35
I was a kid and now we're talking about
00:49:36
and we have that open line of
00:49:38
communication so I love what you said
00:49:39
there about parents just being willing
00:49:41
to talk to their kids about anything and
00:49:43
everything uh whether it's it could be
00:49:46
yeah anything and everything sex
00:49:47
included um please for the love of God
00:49:50
um we need better sex education in this
00:49:51
world pleas educate the kids it's never
00:49:54
too late so I love that I love that you
00:49:56
added that and yes
00:49:58
homeschooling has it seems like been
00:50:00
fantastic for both of us it had its ups
00:50:02
it had its downs but ultimately it was a
00:50:05
plus um it got an A+ so um yes anyway
00:50:09
Laura this has been fantastic um and uh
00:50:12
thank you again for coming on the show
00:50:14
I'm so stoked to reconnect with you and
00:50:16
hear what's going on and congrats on
00:50:19
your degree and a new baby and all of
00:50:22
the wonderful things that are happening
00:50:23
in your
00:50:24
life thank you for having me this so
00:50:27
much fun all right guys until next time
00:50:31
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00:50:32
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