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Is it going? Hey, everybody. Uh I just figured I'd send a quick check. This is Paul Ferguson. Tragically, his
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brother Timothy passed away just prior to this live stream. For those of you who aren't aware,
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um my little brother has passed away and it's a lot to deal with, but we're we're
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fine. With such devastating news, viewers quickly showed him support during this
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terrible time. But unbeknownst to Paul's fans, this would be his last live stream
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ever. Because as it turns out, Paul himself was behind the death of his younger brother.
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[music] [music] On the 6th of July, 2022 at 6:37 p.m., police were called to assist with a
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medical emergency just outside of Grand Rapids [music] in Michigan. The caller, Shonda Vander Ark, mother of Paul and
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Timothy, had [music] told paramedics that Timothy wasn't breathing. Just 7 minutes after arriving on the scene,
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Timothy was pronounced dead. Officers had never seen anything like it. Timothy was malnourished, bruised, and
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hypothermic. There were [music] bones protruding from his skin, and despite being 5'8, he weighed just 69 [music]
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lb. Most concerning was where they actually found Timothy. He was lying in a small closet that reeked of urine and
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feces. Inside was a blue tarp and an Amazon box, and just outside were a pair [music] of ankle shackles. There were
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also multiple cameras around the room and an alarm on the door he was found in. Undoubtedly, something was
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incredibly wrong, but police hadn't even scratched the surface of just how horrible this case would turn out to be.
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So, to maybe shed a little light on what just happened here, [music] Officer Shawn Stefanich decides to talk to his
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seemingly grieving mother, Shanda. Hello, ma'am. I'm Officer Stepanich. Right now, we got
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some people coming over to talk to you, okay? [laughter] He's wearing really loose clothes the
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last couple weeks. He's really skinny. He's really skinny, and I didn't notice till this morning
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cuz he wouldn't like I asked him if he's okay, and he would not answer me. Like,
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he's 15. He's been He He He has autism? Yeah. Like a high-functioning? Yeah. I had no idea how bad it was.
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Oh my god. He did this back in Um my husband struggles to remember stuff. Mhm. I know he did this back in I
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don't know, second week of January for almost 3 weeks. And then he finally he ate some.
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He ate something last night. I can't remember what it was. I'm sorry. It's okay.
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This is where police realized that Shanda's emotions [music] might all be an act. And as they would
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uncover more evidence in the house and talk to her son, Paul, these claims would slowly fall apart. So, as the
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officer listens to her side of the story, he'll be looking for anything to latch onto that they can use against
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them later to determine the [music] truth. I didn't I just I had no idea. I would have taken him in or something.
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So, the last time you saw him was 5:30 this morning? Did he say anything? He had fallen out of bed. At 5:30? Yeah.
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You sure it wasn't earlier? I mean, it's possible. I thought it was 5:30, but I wasn't super
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awake. I heard a thump, and I came down, and he's kind of laying [music] on his side, kind of like, "What the heck?" And
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um and I picked every cell [music] He I'm sorry. That's all right. Oh my god. Timothy was
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pronounced dead at 6:44 a.m. that morning, just an hour after Shanda claimed she last talked to him. The
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reason the officer seems suspicious is because the first responders noticed that rigor mortis had already started
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setting in, tightening his facial muscles. This usually starts anywhere from two to four hours after death, not
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the barely one hour that Shanda is claiming here. But the real question is how Shanda never noticed just how skinny
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and emaciated Timothy really was. This sort of malnutrition doesn't just happen overnight. So the officer asks her to
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explain herself. I asked him to eat last night cuz his face started looking a little thin. I'm like, "Okay, now." And
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he wouldn't So I'm like, "Let me see. Hold your shirt up." And he wouldn't hold his shirt up. He wouldn't do
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anything. Did he get real skinny last time, too? Yes. The only reason I know is because my 7-year-old walked in on
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him accidentally when he was in the shower downstairs. And then my 7-year-old comes up and he's like,
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"Mama, Timothy's really skinny." I was like, "Okay." Was that this time or last time?
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last time. And I told him he was either going to start eating every multiple times a day or I was taking him to the
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hospital, and he didn't want to go to the hospital, so So he ended up eating on his own?
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Yes. [music] And then so this this last time, was it because your husband wasn't
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home? Well, he hasn't been home since January 3rd. He actually mentioned he was hungry the day his [music] stepdad
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or his dad and stepmom called to tell us that they were divorced and moving to Florida last week. Shanda is essentially
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saying that Timothy wasn't eating because of a quote hunger strike campaigning against family problems.
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Back in January, Adam Vanderark, Shanda's husband, had a stroke and had to move out due to issues accessing
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their home. Apparently, this caused Timothy to stop eating [music] for 3 weeks, and he only started again after
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threats of being taken to the hospital. But for the last 2 weeks, he'd stopped eating again. Allegedly, this time due
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to his biological father divorcing his wife and moving away to Florida. Each of these events did indeed happen, but as
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it would turn out, they had nothing to do with Timothy's hunger at all. Police handed over the case to detectives who
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obtained a search warrant and began to collect evidence throughout the house. That's when they found leg shackles in a
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drawer, four webcams scattered strategically placed around a basement, zip ties in the bathroom, a half-empty
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bottle of Extreme Regret's Carolina Reaper hot sauce, and locks on every single fridge, freezer, and pantry in
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the house. This painted a picture of a helpless boy forced to live inhumanely among his own dirt and filth, watched
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every second of the day, and brutally until the very end. The next day, an autopsy was conducted on Timothy's body,
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finding even more strange and worrying things. He had extremely sunken eyes, slightly blue-tinted skin, and there
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were many signs of dehydration as well. His cause of death was determined to be dehydration and extreme emaciation due
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to starvation with hypothermia playing a role, too. With all of this information
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and evidence gathered, the police knew something foul had to be a play. They just weren't sure what. Starvation in a
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house filled with food, hypothermia in the middle of an American summer alongside hot sauce and handcuffs. It
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had to all come together somehow. So, the day after Timothy's death at 3:57 p.m., they bring in Paul, Shand's
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20-year-old son, for interrogation to try and uncover what all this could possibly mean and how exactly he was
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involved. What Paul doesn't know is that they've already collected a mountain of
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evidence. Detective Ryan Peace is going to use a five-step program to slowly extract the truth from Paul, starting by
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getting on his good side and ending [music] by tearing into him and making him feel so guilty he'll have no choice
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but to confess to everything. I don't want to talk anything specific about the case just yet. But, since you
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consented to the police searching your house, Yeah. they brought stuff out here. I want to advise you of some lies
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before we talk, but that's where everything What I do want you to know, though, is that we looked at your
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phones, okay? There's a lot of evidence in on to and I know that you're kind of aware of the communication between
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yourself and your mother and and all sorts of things and that's kind of what I want to talk to you about. Yeah. But
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we were certainly those were very serious things that you guys were talking about. As mentioned, police have
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spent the last 24 hours combing over text messages, camera recordings, crime scene images and much more to try and
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get a good picture of what had happened. So, as the case is with many younger suspects, Detective Peace will start
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calmly trying to put Paul at ease and get on his good side before slowly breaking him down and exposing the
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truth. I know that we talked yesterday. I know that not everything that we talked about was the truth yesterday.
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That's okay. You don't have to feel bad. You don't have to feel guilty about not
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telling the truth to me. I'm not trying to get to the truth of what really happened. But I just need to get to the
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truth of that. I mean there's clearly a lot of messages about stuff that you guys were doing
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with him, about what he was eating, about restricting his food. How did that How did that all work? We stopped the
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food restrictions recently because we had noticed his thinness. We wanted to get that back on. We didn't want any of
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this. We never wanted him to be injured or hurt. I loved him so much. Yeah, I can tell that. I just couldn't
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tell that. And we wanted what's best. Yeah. The thing is he was stuck in the past. So, you stopped the food
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restrictions. When did that happen? Two weeks. Approximately We were hoping that
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we could get enough where it would be safe for him that we could continue to add it back to where we wouldn't have to
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worry and we could What were the What were the restrictions? We made sure that it was still something
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that gave him enough calories and everything. We It was rice or bread and like I said last week
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he got pizza. Throughout the thousands of texts detectives have between Paul and Shanda, there's a huge amount of
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talk about food restrictions. It doesn't take much to realize that this was why Timothy was thin as he was. Peace will
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focus more on this later. What's more interesting though is how Paul justified this. Nothing. We followed the path. We
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made sure that it was still something that he didn't enough calories and everything. These aren't
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Paul's own thoughts. This is just what he's been told by his mother since they started. Over the course of several
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months, he's internalized it and now seems to fully believe that what he's been doing to Timothy is for his own
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good. What were the What were the place for like in the first place? [clears throat] We didn't do anything.
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We didn't do anything. We We tried everything. We were nice. We tried different consequences, but he just I
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couldn't never listen. What were some of the other punishments that you did? We didn't take away his devices.
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That was also because he would just stay on his school sites and just go on trying to play games or watch YouTube.
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And he should have been held back so much. Yeah, but he passed all his final exams.
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And so I don't think it was my step mother. My step mother was amazing. Yeah. But I
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believe it was my father's doing. Okay. But my dad is controlling, freaky, and jealous. He didn't want me having any
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contact in school. He wanted to control all of it. Okay. Note how the only consequence that Paul [music] mentions
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here is the fact that they take away his phone occasionally, something fairly innocuous. It's also worth mentioning
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just how quickly he tries to put Timothy and his father down in exactly the same
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way his mother was known to do. But as Paul continues talking, it becomes clear exactly how much of a problem this is
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actually become and that he might have actually been strongly manipulated by her to do all of this. It was the same
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back in Oklahoma where I had to I had problems with emotional release. I was so terrified of him that
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I didn't ever want to ever release any of these negative emotions I ever had around him. It was It was terrifying. I
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wanted to say no, but I was so terrified that I just couldn't. Here, I can release my anger. And I do
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[clears throat] it in the right way because I never do it any in any way that I'm not supposed to.
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When she had her tubes undone for little for Gabriel, he was a blessing to this world. Yeah. He's not going to pet.
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Certainly. He's a blessing. Of course. She loves him so much. Before having her third son, Gabriel, Shanda had a
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procedure to restore her fertility. To her, having Gabriel was a miracle because she didn't know if this would
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work. That's likely why no evidence was ever found of her harming Gabriel because he was by far and away her
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favorite child. That does, however, provide a harrowing reason for why she might have abused Timothy so much. He
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was her problem child, and she didn't like the fact he had so many mental health conditions, [music]
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so she wanted to take her anger out on and deal with the problem directly. Dirty nasty that I know that he
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slept over at her house and rubbed that. They were talking. I would call that an attitude that was
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unnecessary, and [clears throat] she would have me get off the devices for maybe 15 minutes cuz usually that
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was what it was revolved around. It was just I'll be honest, I never I had an addiction to my devices. Okay. I never
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had not very much of that at home. Yeah. My dad was strict. She didn't even give me a phone. My sis- my sister and
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my step-sister had phones before I did. So now you're in work, [music] and I'm assuming you're paying your
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straight up all your paying bills and Yeah, and like my step- my father she doesn't take force me to give her
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half of my paycheck. He forced that on me. Yeah. And I was working basically minimum wage.
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At both. That's tough. And the thing is that my mother can't even face my father right
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now. We She doesn't want to call him because the one thing that she and I both know
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is that he's going to hurl every ounce of blame he can at her. Listen to how he's talking about his
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father. He's only able to say negative things about him and brings these points up even while unprompted. He clearly has
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a strong dislike of his father and talks about him like a divorced partner. Take
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a guess where that stemmed from. It's clear his mother has been feeding him lies and negativity about his father and
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there's no clearer example of this than what he says next. I moved here into Michigan, I think, 30th of
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cuz for the time after I had moved out of my parents' house, I stayed with my uncle even now. And
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uncle who both had actually been tricked by my father to also believe that my mother was bad. Nobody was tricked.
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Shanda simply was a bad person. The police report contains countless witness testimonies from family, friends, and
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teachers who knew something was wrong and believed Shanda to be a bad parent. This wasn't an uncommon opinion. One of
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Timothy's teachers even told the cops that all the teachers knew he wasn't cared for at home and that he lived
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through hell most of his life. But to save face, Shanda would make up lies to tell Paul that made her seem perfect and
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kept his respect at the cost of making his father seem downright evil. That's what makes this case so controversial.
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Paul was almost certainly not in control for the majority of this and he was definitely manipulated by his mother to
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some extent, but he still went through with everything and that's what a jury would end up focusing on.
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I saw your phone that you had sent to a couple of pictures too my mom, yeah. Pretty skinny and you said you know, I
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mean he's nothing but skin. But yeah, I was I was very concerned that he just Yeah, what do you think that maybe would
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have been a good time to take him to the doctor or Yeah, honestly, that probably
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would have been one too. And then you sent a picture of both his legs that were just basically gone,
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right? Yeah, I don't know how to say it or something along the lines of Yeah, but the thing is
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yesterday and I think the day before, he could walk. He might need a little support every so
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often, like he put his hand against the wall or grabbed the rail of the stairs, but after [music] a couple of seconds,
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he'd let go and he'd be fine. Okay. It was never anything major. When was the last time he was really like talking to
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you, like able to have a conversation, or at least try to have a conversation? Last time he actually talked was 3 days
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ago, but the day before or the day after that, the day before yesterday. He could talk a He talked a small amount
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in the morning, but then he just sort of making groans and moans and It must take
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an astonishing amount of delusion to believe that not being able to walk or speak isn't anything major. But in
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reality, that's not what they thought. They thought he was faking it entirely. In fact, on the day before Timothy died,
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Shonda told Paul to wave warm pizza rolls just in front of him and take them back if he tries to eat them. It all
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just seems as though they were messing with him to satisfy their own sadistic desires. What about the photograph in
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the bath? Of his face, like sleeping in the bathtub? Uh he he'd been taking a bath,
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and I went in there to check on him at one point, and he was just kind of laying there. I'm like, "Buddy, you
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okay?" He didn't respond, but he was looking around, so and he was breathing. I know that much. Yeah. But he wasn't
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talking at that time? No, and he it it it it's it's starting to concern me. I had I'm not sure if I texted my mom
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about it or not. Why would you send a picture to her? Yeah, I probably should have said something about the ER attack
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one time. Well, I certainly thought it was stupid. You have to think about it like this,
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right? She She She's a grown adult, and if she she sees that, that's not on you, right?
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You You made it From what I see, you made numerous attempts to say, "We need to do something with him like
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this." Yeah. We We can't keep doing this to him. I know she's a big person, but I
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just Paul is speeding himself up because he knows that he assisted in all of this.
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But notice how Piske is still trying to reassure Paul and shift the blame away from him. Fortunately, this is about to
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pay off massively as he starts to talk more about the punishments that Timothy was put through. I think it's a big deal
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because right now I'm not in a time of blaming people. Right now is the time to try to figure out what could we have
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changed, what could we have done differently, how did we get to the point we were at
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because, you know, clearly we were going to have to do that. You used to do that.
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And it wasn't a nice little bath, though, right? It was a cold bath. Right? It's a cold ice cold bath. I
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didn't wash that. If you did, you How many times did you ask him did you guys give him cold baths as a punishment for
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I don't know, whatever whatever for whatever reason? I don't think For [clears throat] the punishments,
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I don't exactly know the number, but it wasn't a lot. Are we talking like 5, 10,
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20? Every day, every other day? Do you have any idea of how many times? Whose idea was to give him a cold bath
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as a punishment? I mean, it was my mother's. I I wasn't sure if it would do if it would
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be a punishment effective or not. Piske actually knows exactly how often these baths occurred because Paul and Shauna
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documented every single instance of this over text. And Timothy was subjected to
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them constantly. Even worse, they would last up to 9 hours at a time. And remember, Timothy weighed only 69 lb. He
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barely had a drop of body fat on him, meaning that he would have felt the effects of the cold considerably more
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than the average person. This is why the autopsy turned up the evidence of hypothermia and ruled it as one of his
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main causes of death. Do you remember the first time you guys did it and what why? Well, not exactly. What did he do
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on that day to deserve the cold bath that made you have to give him a cold bath? Um
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I think it was the routine not only that he needed, but also food and water and my mother
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wasn't too happy because it absolutely reeks. And we talked about that. My understanding is that also he gets
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little messages. Yeah. And what did he sleep most of the nights in that closet? As Piske mentions, Timothy didn't sleep
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in a bed. He slept in a small, cramped closet that he couldn't even stand up in. And the punishment that Paul
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mentioned, well, that would have actually happened either way. Inside the basement where Timothy slept were
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multiple cameras and an alarm on the door. If he'd have gone to the bathroom instead, then he would have been
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punished for leaving his room. Timothy was completely trapped. We wanted and we always wanted him to
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have that bed and we So you guys decided to move him into the closet. There's an alarm on the door. Is that
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so? What's that for? When he would try to sneak food because if you notice there
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was also one on the door on the wall sure. That was also because yeah, there's some food in there that he would
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try to sneak. And it wasn't just that he was hungry all the time, but at some points for those it was that as he
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wanted something sweet. Again, Piske is being extremely nice and agreeing directly with what is said,
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trying to make him feel like what he's saying is still fine so he incriminates himself even further.
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When he was just eating food he talked about bread. How long long was he eating just bread?
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A week or two. What was he having food for then? We do ramen sandwiches and I think at
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some points we actually give [clears throat] him like a meal. What What was the reason he didn't have
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meals? To me the whole [clears throat] Paul has no idea what to say. He's starting to realize just how [music]
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cruel everything he did was and the gravity of the situation has just hit him. He starved his little brother to
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death, and he can't even think of a reason why. Regardless of the circumstances or how much influence his
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mother had over him, he still did all of these horrifying things, and there's still even more to come. And the hot
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sauce, and knowing that it was used as a multiple punishment, and it was put on the bread. Was it always on the bread?
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Not always, no. But the thing is, if he still argued with me or did anything for him, there would be times
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where it would do something to me because I would accidentally bump my eye off the counter. It was Ow. What What
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the things whether or not there's hot sauce. What What was that again? I Whenever my mother told me to put a hot
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sauce sign, I did. And when I know the the ghost There's a California Reaper is 2,000 Scoville or 2 million Scoville.
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What does that mean? Is it the hot sauce or the hot Is that what it is? Heat index is up.
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That's pretty hot. Very. Elijah's extreme regret hot sauce is reviewed as not being something you mess
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around with. It measures out to 800,000 Scoville heat units, just shy of what a fresh ghost pepper would be. Paul and
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Shonda would routinely feed this to Timothy as a punishment, as well as putting it on the only real food he
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would get in the day. Piske also made sure to ask Paul what Scoville units were to make sure he knew exactly how
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bad what he was doing was. He confirmed that this was very, very hot, to the point of being painful. Yet, he still
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went through with what he did for weeks. So, how long have you guys been using hot sauce for?
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Um it's almost a month, maybe. Okay. And was that only on your bread, or was that on other stuff, too? Uh
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I think [music] one time we put it in some rice, but after that I don't think we did that again. What was the sport
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right? Cuz you were going to try this to be a well-secured instead of hot sauce.
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I know it was punishment, but honestly I don't think it was that useful because like I said he had no feeling in his
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tongue. He He drilled a hole in it at one point and didn't even feel [music] it. Was he eating the Sprite last time
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or was he? Yeah. That was Is that really the only things he ate? He ate those things or did he eat other things too?
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Um from the bread and rice other than that not that I know of. Okay. Did you see a decline in him during that
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four weeks of Was he losing weight or being less responsive or did what what changed
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when you moved into doing that? There would be times where it would take him a moment to respond. At first I thought it
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was just him acting, but then I was getting concerned. I think a week or so maybe he developed Okay, is this
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is after the latest Yeah. For the hot sauce on bread. If you ever put hot sauce on your
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brother or your younger sibling you put hot sauce on them? No. Throughout this interrogation Paul has been consistently
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using his mother as a scapegoat for everything he's done, that he was just following her orders, but at the same
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time it's obvious that he knows his brother was suffering through all of this. Many people are familiar with the
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Stanford Prison Experiment. 24 male college students were split into either guards and prisoners and for two weeks
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they were supposed to simulate prison. However, after just six days the experiment had to be terminated due to
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extreme behavior. The guards quickly adapted to their position of power and due to their role being enforced and
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validated by the event conductors they began to abuse the prisoners to the point of emotional distress. That is to
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say Paul was given the opportunity to be in control and he took full advantage of
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it abusing his position. At the same time though Paul is an adult and at any point he could have decided to stop or
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alert somebody about all of this, but he never did. Pisk is also starting to realize this, so from here on out he's
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going to slowly put on the pressure that will eventually break Paul and make him
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fully realize the gravity of what he's done. Paul, I know that when we talked yesterday, we talked a lot.
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You know, too much about stuff, right? I know that she's a good person. I'm not doubting that at all. I know that we
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never wanted any of this. But you you also are you also know that some of the things that
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some of the things that she was talking about is the truth, right? About she said she didn't know that it was going
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to happen. But the fact of the matter is she asked you Did she send you a text message that
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says, "Look, make sure that the camera's in there and and and [clears throat] put the shower curtain down so I can see
00:25:43
him." Didn't she ask you that the day that the day before he passed away? Yeah. I know this pepper spray was for
00:25:49
punishment. And what did she say? She said, "I didn't know anything about that." I
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think she's one one to appeal like a bad person. She doesn't want to be the bad guy in that situation. She never wanted
00:26:01
any of this. She wanted to be healthy. I know that for a fact. I should have at least put my foot down on something.
00:26:07
But you [clears throat] Not that I'm afraid of her. I I can't fear her cuz she doesn't She's not the type to
00:26:13
instill fear. I don't know if that's also what caused him to sometimes lie about things as well. Was it he still
00:26:19
has this fear of dad and then he thought she would be the same? She's not She's nothing like him. Which I know she's
00:26:25
not. But she knows that you shouldn't be using hot sauce as a punishment, right?
00:26:30
She knows better than that. The pressure is already starting to cause Paul to resort to cathartic statements for him.
00:26:36
Notice how as soon as Pisk says she was lying, he praises her and makes excuses for her and then immediately puts his
00:26:42
dad down at saying that she's nothing like him. He's scared and he's trying to throw himself back into a world where he
00:26:48
feels safe and comfortable, but that's not the world he lives in and Piske is about to expose that once and for all.
00:26:55
So when you first talked to us and you talked to us about the police, you know, you said he was honest about that,
00:27:00
right? Yeah. But that's not the truth. No. Okay. Who was in that closet that's right there by the bunk? Yeah. You You
00:27:06
told us that you heard him snoring and that Was that a lie? Yeah. And you Did you come up with that
00:27:13
on your own or did somebody ask you to say that you were in the bunk bed? Uh I think both of us
00:27:19
I could have done that at any point in time. You You You think that he wanted us to
00:27:23
do a best friend, right? That's what you were talking to us about. I know she She wants what's best for all
00:27:29
of us. So Yeah. And that's our question. Did somebody ask you to say that you were in the bunk bed?
00:27:37
I came up with that on my own. Piske notices him start to shut down under the pressure, so eases off just a little,
00:27:43
trying to reassure him again that he's not in any trouble and that this isn't his fault. Piske is almost there. He
00:27:49
just needs to get a little more information out of him for the confession and can't risk Paul shutting
00:27:54
down now. So tell me what really happened in the morning then because obviously what was told to us wasn't the truth.
00:28:00
What really What really happened? I woke up and I had been dragging my shoes. It basically all played out like
00:28:06
we said. The whole morning thing was exact. He was He wasn't breathing in the closet. It was the closet, though. We
00:28:13
had to get him out of the closet, too. Try and resuscitate. And you got him out of the closet, too. See if he pulled out
00:28:19
of that. I don't know if he had a diaper or what that stain is. He had a shirt. I think we had put
00:28:26
him in pants or sweatpants. I don't know, maybe sometime in the night he took them off.
00:28:32
No, but you say "we." You weren't there though when we did that, right? No. So all of you know if we put him in
00:28:39
sweatpants. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. So do you know if he had pants on or not
00:28:43
when we No, he was asleep. But he didn't have them when we got him out. He the diaper on at least. So he had the diaper
00:28:49
on. You're assuming that he has a shirt on? What shirt did he have on? The very same sweatshirt that we found him in.
00:28:55
Cuz obviously we didn't want him to get cold. Or I don't think Mama wanted him to get cold. Did he have pants on or no?
00:29:02
No. No. And when we get there he's going to have pants on. Yes, she had me put them on. She asked me to put pants on
00:29:08
him. Any of that before? I Piescik is asking some very specific questions about when Timothy was found.
00:29:16
What Paul doesn't know is that the cops have an audio recording from one of their cameras from the exact moment they
00:29:22
found Timothy dead. Is he okay? Yeah. He's cold, man. Yeah, I know he's cold, but he's not
00:29:29
He's not sick at all. He's okay. Come on, let's go. I don't understand. I know you're really torn and you're
00:29:35
really upset. I don't understand, buddy. Come on. Get your belt. Okay. You got it. Okay. Put it on the right.
00:29:47
I don't want to make it look like it's an accident. I know. I don't want to make it look like
00:29:50
Piescik knows for certain that both Paul and Shonda have been lying this whole time and tried to cover the death up.
00:29:57
This is Piescik's chance to strike. He's now multiple steps ahead and has Paul on
00:30:02
the back foot. He's now going to start tearing into Paul and his mother, ripping his world view to shreds and
00:30:07
exposing them for what they really are. At that time she decides that she's going to lie to me and say that he
00:30:13
was in the wrong bed. I don't know what she did. I I don't know. He feels She just wants to seem like
00:30:18
she's bad that she We never We weren't neglecting him. What are you saying that I mean if you were the talk writers with
00:30:26
all these things you're like She didn't want to seem like this. She didn't want to seem like this. She didn't want to
00:30:30
seem like this. Did you know that it all seems like that, right? Yes. How do you feel about lying during
00:30:35
this? Does that How does that make you feel? I I just hate it. I I know she doesn't want to be the bad guy. of him.
00:30:41
She never wanted this. We We loved him so much. I don't think this is about love because I don't think it's about
00:30:48
that. I don't know what to do and not knowing how to handle the situation. We think For the good of the night, I
00:30:52
didn't do anything. Just look at how uncomfortable Paul is now. He can't sit still. He's covering
00:30:59
his face and body as often as he can, and he's almost always hunched over. He's really starting to panic now, and
00:31:05
Piske has barely even started ripping into him. Do you need a lot of greed? Tell me what this means.
00:31:11
Did he do the bunk better? How does that happen? He couldn't have possibly made it up. This is a true story. No, so what
00:31:16
happened? She told you that. She told you what to say. Does it look bad to you yet?
00:31:21
It's not just that. We loved [music] him. Can I ask you this but straight up? You keep saying you love him. Do you Do
00:31:28
you like this was love that he's dead on the floor and can't eat food? Does that
00:31:32
feel like love to you? No. He's dead because he couldn't eat. No. And I don't know anybody who thinks that's love.
00:31:38
What I think's happening is your mom convinced you that she's this perfect person, and she's asking you to do all
00:31:44
these things that are literally killing your brother. I know she's not perfect. How is love ice baths? How is love
00:31:51
handcuffing? And how is love restricting movement? And how is love hot sauce in the mouth and only eating bread? What if
00:31:59
you're What if you only got to eat bread? How would you feel? What if you only got to eat bread with hot sauce?
00:32:04
Would you eat? No. She's not perfect, but she's not a bad person. Do you know how many people
00:32:10
starve to death? Tell me one that you know. That's a child who has a lot of problems, right? That's not a child
00:32:16
that's taking care of themselves. How is that a loving person? How is that a loving mother? You know what that sounds
00:32:21
like to me? And honestly, the worst mother that I've ever met in my entire life. That's what it sounds
00:32:26
like to me. Well, maybe he's taking food because he wants to live. Have you ever thought about that? Yes.
00:32:32
Maybe he's taking food so that he can survive. Paul has fully collapsed in on himself at this point. His worldview is
00:32:39
starting to break into pieces. The person he looked up to, respected, and loved is now being painted as a monster
00:32:46
that's going to prison for the rest of her life. The worst part, he hasn't even realized that he might be facing the
00:32:52
exact same consequences. She put you right in the middle of this where it looks like some of the stuff was your
00:32:58
idea. And it actually looks like in some of these things that you kind of enjoyed
00:33:02
it. Did you kind of enjoy punishing him for doing wrong? Guys, do you feel like you kind of enjoyed punishing him in the
00:33:07
past? No. Maybe not that he was in pain, but like you were you were in charge and
00:33:11
you got to tell him, "You can't do that. Go do this. This is your punishment." Did you like some of that?
00:33:17
No. How come you guys were laughing and joking about it sometimes? With smiley faces. There's no way that you can look
00:33:23
at yourself and think that's okay. Why couldn't we eat a piece of chicken like this, Scott? Why couldn't you eat that?
00:33:30
Why does it have to be bread with hot sauce? I think that way more of it has to do with my being evil. This is
00:33:36
actually the defense that Paul would use in court, and the trial would turn out to be even more interesting than the
00:33:41
interrogation. He would try to claim that he wasn't the one in control at all. He was just following his mother's
00:33:46
orders, doing what she was telling him. But unfortunately for him, there were messages like these, along with much
00:33:53
more evidence yet to be discovered, that made it hard to believe that this was the truth. I don't want to live a life
00:33:58
where I regret that I hid something. I told you everything I know. How do you feel about living a life
00:34:07
where you hid that your brother wasn't eating from society? That you hid that your
00:34:12
brother was dying? How do you feel about that? I hate myself, okay? I'm just asking you if my stepmom made you guys
00:34:19
do anything up to it. Did she want him to sleep in the tub? That's what I read. Did that happen? Did he sleep in the
00:34:24
tub? No. He didn't? No, he didn't. That bathtub and you guys dragged him into that closet and waited
00:34:30
for the morning to call the police? That's not what No. You think that message is just a
00:34:34
little bit suspicious that she sent you at just about midnight that says, "He's He's in the closet. I had to drag him in
00:34:41
there." You don't think he was already dying or dead at that point? Doesn't it seem like maybe he was already dead?
00:34:46
That she put him in there so that he could wake up and not die in his sleep? Cuz she can't call the police when he's
00:34:52
in an ice bath and he freezes and he dies. Whether this was true or not will remain a mystery for a while. But
00:34:58
whatever the case, there was certainly a large attempted cover-up by both Shanda
00:35:02
and Paul to try and make it seem like this was somehow, someway natural causes. Timothy was treated like dirt
00:35:10
until the very end, and Detective Pisk has had enough. Can you live with my fault? But you How do you feel about
00:35:17
over and over and over again telling your mother about how good she is? Do you feel that that's the truth anymore?
00:35:21
Cuz I'm quite disgusted by her. I'm disgusted by her. He never wanted this. He was living How How smart is your mom?
00:35:29
She's an intelligent lawyer, right? Very cool. Right? Have you ever thought, "How come a woman that's this smart,
00:35:36
this intelligent, graduated from law school, how could she not know what's happening?
00:35:42
[clears throat] How could she think this is fake? How does she not know she's How does she not
00:35:47
see that he's wasting away? And you here, you're telling me that you got some some knowledge that she just
00:35:53
graduated from law school, and it's very obvious to you that he's He's got malnutrition, right? It's very
00:35:59
obvious to you. But your mom has not seen that? And she's a She's a law school graduate, and she's very smart.
00:36:05
Do you see what I'm looking at here? She's a liar. What did she think was going to happen? I don't know. I don't
00:36:11
know. Exactly what happened to what she thought was going to happen. She never wanted him dead. She loved him. That's
00:36:19
love to you? Everything that we talked about is love? I mean, you're joking, right? Even through the
00:36:25
shouts of an enraged Detective Pisk, Paul still defends his mother to the very end, trying to come up with excuses
00:36:32
for her and even take the blame. But, that would all come to an end on trial. In the meantime though, just 5 days
00:36:39
after his interrogation, Paul decided to go live on Facebook to update his friends and family on everything that
00:36:44
had happened. Given what we know now, the surviving video is probably one of the most eerie pieces of footage we've
00:36:51
ever shown on this channel. Is it going? Everybody, uh I just figured I'd send a
00:36:57
quick check. We're doing good right now. We I just dozed off on the couch unintentionally and I
00:37:04
For those of you who aren't aware, um my little brother has passed away and it's a lot to deal with, but we're we're
00:37:16
fine. But, just keep supporting me [music] Listen, I don't know what I'm trying to
00:37:31
say right now.