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Suspects can often be reckless, violent, and stupid, getting themselves into serious trouble with the police. But
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some suspects are extremely smart, being able to outplay cops at every turn. Are you googling the laws right now?
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That's really what you should be doing right now. From a teenager who knew the law much
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better than the police to a kid who recorded crimes committed by cops and got them exposed. Here is the ultimate
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compilation of when genius suspects absolutely destroyed corrupt cops. Starting with the hysterical case of
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Chief Middleton. That's sad that you do not know your own laws. As a chief, you are [ __ ]
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This man was filming inside the new Ellington City Hall in South Carolina when he was approached by a cop asking
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him to leave. This area of the building is open to the public, meaning the man had every right to be there. But the cop
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started to get aggressive, which resulted in a heated argument and brazen display of corruption.
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No sir, are you restricted area? That's it's where does it say that? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I
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sir, if you don't mind, please exit. I do the best. Exit, please. No, thank you.
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I'm only going to give you one more opportunity and then what's going to happen?
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Okay. The cop seems to be taking issue with the man filming in a public area. Filming items that are plainly visible
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in public is a constitutional right and should be expected in a building such as
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this one. The cop is also preventing him from passing into another public section
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of the building, and it's becoming increasingly more apparent that he's not got an issue with what he's doing, but
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the man himself. Excuse me. Excuse me. Please, can I can I have your badge number?
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I'm Chief Middleton. My badge number is 200. So, why are you putting your hands on
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me? I'm going to exit you out of the building. Okay. No, you're fine. I'm not assaulting you. I'm not doing
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anything. You didn't You didn't No, I did not assault you. No, I did not. Assault comes with any type of
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aggressive behavior. I grabbed your arm and did this. You did not assault me. You me that's
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unnecessary battery. Sir, please exit our building. This is enough. No, thank you. This man is completely
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right to refuse the cop's unlawful request. In most places, a police officer does not have the legal
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authority to banish individuals from an area unless it's private property, which
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would then be considered trespassing. The man clearly knows his rights, but this cop is about to make an even worse
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mistake. I'm going to walk by now. You're not going to walk by. So, why are you doing this? Why are you
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doing this? This is a This is a police I do have a body cam and it is recorded. So, why are you touching me and over?
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Please don't make this something more than what it is. I'm I didn't say a word to you. You came
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up to me and put your What is your What is your agenda here? What is my agenda? That's right. What are you doing?
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I need to tell you. You say you was doing history. That's already more information than I
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need to give you. Okay. You're making this more difficult than what it is. And so are you at the very same time?
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No, it's not. All right. No, it's not. If you don't mind, I would like for you to exit this building.
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I do. I already told you that like four times. You under arrest, sir. Sir, sir. Sir, sir.
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Now you're trespassing on public property. trespassing on public on public I gave you I gave you trespassing
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on public property. You guys see this? You guys I gave you plenty opportunity, sir.
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Quite simply, this is an unlawful arrest. The cop even said he was trespassing on public property. In just
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2 minutes, the cop has developed a personal vendetta against a man simply exercising his own rights, a decision he
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will soon regret. I want you to think about what you're doing. No, you're making things more difficult
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than what it is. about what you're doing. I would like for you to exit the building, but you're what you're doing
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is you don't want to exit the building. Okay. Correct. I already told you that you're recording in here.
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Yep. Okay. Yep. You said you're recording for history. Your history is there. Okay.
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Okay. Okay. This is the police department. Yep. All right. Absolutely. So, now what?
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Now, where are we going to take this? They're going to go on the outside. This is going to be fun for you.
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And then you're going to leave. No, I'm not going anywhere. I ain't going anywhere. All right, I'm going to
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step right back in as soon as you take these cuffs off of me because you know you're making a mistake right now. You
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know you're making a mistake. I asked you to exit and you did not exit. Look, this is going to be illegal search
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and seeker. It's not illegal search and seek. Oh, why is that? Because I don't have to search you.
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Because I detain you because you can get out of my building. After the brief arrest, the police chief
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quickly realizes his mistake and claims he was just detaining the man to remove him from the building. But as soon as
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they go their separate ways, the man heads back in for round two. Hurry. I'mma lock this building.
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You got the key. Back up, please, sir. No, thank you. For what? No, you're not. Back up.
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No, you're not. We're not playing this. I'm not playing this with you. No. Back up, sir. You can't put your
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foot there. You cannot put your foot there to restrict. You congratulations, sir. Hey, I just
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want to tell you something. Congratulations. You just earned the state of South Carolina a humongous
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lawsuit. Humongous. You want I would suggest to you that you just let me walk by and do my business then you
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go about your day. That's what I would suggest to you. Okay. You should have the uh No, sir. Please
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exit the building. Or what? You're trespassing. No, I'm not. Okay. No, I'm not. Yes, you are. Please exit the building.
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The reason why I'm still not in cuffs right now is because, you know, it's not no.
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The man makes another great point. There is no reason that the cop would have let
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him go after arresting him unless he himself knew that the man hadn't actually broken any laws. This is now
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solely an issue of pride. And this cop's going to make sure his ego doesn't get bruised again.
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Give me a reason on why you want to record in here. You said it's because of history, right? You said you want to
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record history. There's already more information that I Okay, then I don't have to give you any
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information. I didn't ask you for any. I did not once ask you for any, sir. If you don't mind, please exit the
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building and again, we'll go for the circular conversation. No, no, thank you. Okay, that's fine.
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Hey, let's do it again. Let's get a lawsuit. Let's do it again, boys. The chief again decides to arrest the man
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and take him away while they wait for another officer to arrive at the scene. But just a few minutes in, he starts to
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realize the troubles he's gotten himself into. And what is your purpose here within the
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city of Newton? Well, as of right now, I'm talking to you. Okay. So, you're talking to me.
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Detained. Okay. With handcuffs on. You're in trouble. Okay. And you know it. That's fine.
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And you know it. That's fine. Are you going to legally or illegally seize my phone right now or can I have
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that? No, you can have your phone. Thank you. Appreciate that. There you go. Now he's starting to backpedal a little
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bit. So, are you going to take the cuffs off me? Are we going to backpedal that far? No.
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No, I'm not going to take the cuffs off you. You're detained. I love how you took the badge off.
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I didn't tell you. It's crazy. But this is where things start to get truly insane. The cop calls up a judge
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from the local area to make sure he's actually allowed to arrest him for this. The moment he realizes the mess he's
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gotten himself into might be one of the funniest ever caught on police body cam.
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I got a gentleman here in the office who wants to record. So people he knows and I've told him several times to get
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out of my building. He is claiming that he has a right to come in here and record.
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Congratulations, my friend. Uh at the police department. That's sad that you do not know your own
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laws as a chief. As a chief, you are [ __ ] You are [ __ ] my friend. You're dismissed as well. I'm going to walk
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away now. You're [ __ ] buddy. Okay, one second. Excuse me. Don't stop touching me. Stop
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touching me. Right. Undetain and we go. Oh, there we go. Oh, undetained. Dude, you better you better get you better you
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better get people here, man. Illegally detained. And look at that. The backpedaling went so far as the cuffs.
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That's right. I explained to him that he was trespassing. I no longer wanted him
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recording into this office. force. The ridiculous the ridiculous amount of force put on these cups. Ridiculous
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amount of force. Look at this. Dude, you're in trouble. You are in so much trouble. And I love it.
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And that's what he was doing. He was using a phone pretty much where there was business.
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You would expect these mistakes from a rookie cop. But having a judge tell you how to do your job as a chief of police
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is absurd. But it gets even more ridiculous when the chief arrests the man a third time for swearing, claiming
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it's disorderly conduct and illegal inside the building. This is even more ridiculous than the other two false
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arrests. But this one goes all the way and results in the man being put into the back of a patrol car.
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None of these are lawful orders, so I'm not going to listen. So you're under arrest for disorderly
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condo for disorderly conduct. Use force if you'd like. Let's try to No, I'm not going to use force.
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No, I know you're not. I know you're not. So, if you don't mind, please have a seat in the car.
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Again, I do. You're [ __ ] buddy. Okay, man. Have a seat. No. Use force and put me in there.
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I'm not going to use force to push you. I don't think so. I didn't think you That's why I'm going
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to stand right here. This is ridiculous. You know, you are in so much deep [ __ ]
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right now, dude. This is why you've backed pedal time and time and time again. And it's all on camera.
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And and that's 100% fine. And that's 100% fine. But things absolutely weren't fine for
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the Chief. Just a few days after the incident, Chief Shawn Middleton was forced to resign from the department.
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The report suggests that it was related to an investigation into domestic incidents with his wife, so it's unclear
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if the illegal arrest was a part of it. Either way, Shawn's mistakes cost him his job. But police chief Michael Chainy
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didn't just lose his job, but almost went to prison. Get out of here. Go. You just committed murder. On September
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17th, 2022, the chief of police decided to threaten the wrong kids. Chainy had started harassing these kids for
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disturbing the peace. But Parker Whan and Travis Krin were only playing around and they were about to show the chief
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that they knew the law. Disturbing the peace, both of them squealing their wheels at
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me. He's talking. They come here. They hit the cone. They're messing around here around this
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new monument. I'd had enough. What the chief did next was illegal and Travis knew it.
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Get out of here. I hit you. Yeah, you did. What did I do? Go. What did I do? Go. That battery.
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Get out of here. It's disturbing the peace. You hit me cuz I'm disturbing the peace.
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Yeah, it's a crime. You need to go. You just committed battery. No, that's not the flashlight. That's
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bad. Get out of here. How is that right? Crim told his friend to call the police, but Chikini pulled
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out his badge and said he was a cop trying to intimidate them, but that didn't work. They knew Chikini was the
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one who committed battery, and they refused to leave until the police came. Cha claimed that his badge allowed him
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to assault anyone he wanted to, but the teens didn't buy his lies. Battery, right? Mhm. Call the cops.
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Yep, that's right. You call the cops. You just committed murder. Yikes. Chief of Police.
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That doesn't work that way, dude. Yeah. You're going to tell me the law, would you? Did some legal scholar on the
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Supreme Court? No. Well, like what are we doing on the police? You can't hit me with
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You can't disturb the peace. What's the first amendment? You hit me with a flashlight.
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You don't have a right to disturb the peace. Flashlight, bro. What are you talking about?
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You won't believe what Shaini did next. Assault me. You want me to go? I'll make out with you right now. I
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sweep both ways, bro. Go ahead, assault me. He ran out of options. So, getting the
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boys to attack him was his next plan. That way, he'd have something to show the police. But the teens knew better
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than that. I'm not going to touch you. I'm not going to touch you. I know. Get out of his face.
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I know better, bro. Hey, send a unit down here. I've got three hooligans that need to go.
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Huligan, you hit me with a flashlight. Thankfully, they recorded the entire encounter. And when the other officers
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arrived, the chief was suddenly not so brave. five minutes or so of the screeching tires from the birds, you
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know, and the hooting and hollering down here. So, I go out onto my balcony and I
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look down and they're just uh they're driving and the guy in the long hair intentionally smashes
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drives his scooter into the barricade and I go, "Hey, cut it out. Cut your shit."
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So, you're up in your apartment. Um I'm up in my apartment. I forget what he says of me. I can do whatever I want.
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I need to get out of here. Something to that effect. And uh he hit the barrel or the bar.
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Hit the barrel right there. The middle barrel. Open the door. Tell him to leave. Get out of here.
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Then I approach. I walk across the little plaza here to the curb area. He walks towards me and uh the
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confrontation begins. Did he when you were upstairs, did he tell you that he was going to kick your
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something with that? Yeah, he he said that. Yeah. Chaini said he was off duty at home when
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he heard the two boys destroying property. He had told them to leave, but when one of them threatened him, he
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decided to run downstairs and deal with them himself. But his side of the story was different from what had actually
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happened. I felt that he was hostile towards me. So, I did how I was taught back in the day is
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a pectoral large muscle mass jab, right, with your hand with my part of my flashlight.
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What happened then? Uh, he got angry obviously and uh accused me of assaulting him, calling me
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various names such as baldheaded. Did he know you were a police officer? I did identify myself. showed him my
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badge prior to this altercation. Um, I may have when I was walking up, he challenged me to fight and dared me to
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come down. Okay. I came down, he stood off on me, and I did a pectoral jab with my flashlight.
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Okay. Okay. Okay. Thankfully, the teens could share their side of the story, too, and they told
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the truth. What's going on? So, we were just riding around on burn scooters, you know, like teenagers do.
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And then he came up here I'm 19. Okay. And he hit the cone right here and knocked it over.
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Yeah. And knocked it over. And then he started yelling and he threatened him first. So he was defend he was defending
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himself like against him. How did he threaten him? I don't remember exactly what he said.
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Okay. But he was he antagonized him. So he was defending himself. Travis was standing
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right there. didn't say a single word and like on the road and he came up and hit him. I don't know if it was like in
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the chest or the rib cage, but he hit him with the flashlight and then started shining it in his eyes.
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I was riding. You know how like when you press the brake the back wheel walks up
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and it makes a squeaking noise, right? Okay. You can drift when you do that. It's
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kind of fun, right? I get it's kind of late and stuff, right? But he's up there. He goes, "Hey, Big
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Shot, you want to go?" Right? Cuz I said he said, "Why don't you keep it down?" I
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said, "I'm not doing nothing wrong." He goes, "Hey, Big J. You want to go right?" And I stood right here. I said,
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"What's up?" He walks up to me and like, "I'm not going to hit you. I promise." He goes like, "That jabs me like right
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here in the ribs with the flashlight." And then he said he felt threatened. My hands were at my sides. I don't know. I
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didn't swing at him. I didn't pick up. What did you do when he walked down? I just stood there.
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So, he hits you in the stomach with a flashlight. Like the rib cage, not the stomach, bro.
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Of course, Chikini wanted the two guys to be charged for what happened. I'll cut a supplement. Two charges right
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here. But instead, he was the one who ended up getting charges. Shikini was charged
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with assault and battery and is no longer Bay City's public safety director or chief of police. This next officer
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was determined to charge his suspect for doing nothing wrong. You ready? Yep. Okay, you can relax.
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Um, so I'm going to read you Miranda. Okay. When's the right now you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say
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can and will be used against you in a quarter of block. On August 28th, 20122, Tan Galanakis was
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pulled over by police officer Nathan Winters for having his bright lights on. And even though Galanakis had a perfect
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excuse for it, the officer didn't care. Hi there. How you doing, sir? Good. How are you?
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Good. My name is Officer Winters with the Newton Police Department. The reason I pulled drummer is cuz you have your
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bright lights on. Yeah, but I have a headlight out so I keep my brights on. Okay. Well, that's not legal. Oh, wait.
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Is it? No. Yeah, I turn when a car when a car comes by, I turn them off. But like
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Well, you didn't with me. Oh, you weren't close enough though. You were like you're well. Yeah, you're a
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wild bag. Has to be within 500 ft. Oh, my bad. Sorry. And you're not supposed to have your
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rights on in the city limit. The officer started questioning procedure and asked for his license and
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registration, but some of his questions were a little bizarre. You got your license, registration,
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insurance? Yeah, I got you. Is this your car? Yeah. Okay. Where you headed? Back home.
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Where's home? Are you new to town or something? No. You don't have anything on you? No
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bombs, guns, drugs? No bombs? There's no drugs. Okay, let's go back here. The officer noticed Tavven's movements
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in the car and the smell of alcohol on him. So, he jumped to the conclusion that he had been drinking. Although
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Taven insisted that he was sober, Officer Winters didn't believe him. So, the boy requested a breathalyzer test.
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How much have you had to drink tonight? None. What do you mean none? I've had nothing
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to drink. Okay. Why would you uh why would your eyes be watery and bloodshot? But Winters didn't want to give him the
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easy way out. I've had nothing to drink. Okay. So, your movements in the car with you fumbling over the
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registration. Yep. Um kind of say otherwise. All right. And so does the odor of alcohol coming from your person.
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Great. Let's let's do a test and we'll we'll get to the test. I can't wait. The teen asked for the test again
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because he was sure of himself. He even made a video mocking the situation and the officer.
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So, what happens if you know nothing pops up? Do you get in trouble? No. Why would I get in trouble?
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Because you think I'm drinking, but I'm not drinking. Can I record it? Yeah, absolutely.
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What's your name? My name is Officer Winters. So, Officer Winters thinks I'm drinking tonight.
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We're about to do a test and he's going to find out I had nothing to drink. He's
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going to look stupid. Ain't that right? I've had nothing to drink. Zero. And we're about to find out. Winters took
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Taven through a bunch of sobriety tests. All of them except for the breathalyzer.
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All right. So, I'm going to actually have you stand right here is fine for now. I'm going to
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have you stand with your heels and toes together with your arms down to your side. Okay. I'm going to check your
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eyes. Cool. Okay. What I want you to do is follow my finger with your eyes and your eyes only
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and do not move your head. Okay. Yep. Do you have any questions? Nope. All right. So, I want you to put your
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left foot on the line. Okay. Take your right foot, put it in front of your left foot with the heel of your right foot
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touching the toe of your left foot just like this. Okay. Stay in this position until I tell you
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to begin. Okay. Perfect. Galanakis asked for the test for the third and fourth time, but still
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nothing. Instead, the officer went on with another test. Come on, man. It's too easy.
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Let's do the breath now. Two for two. Give me a little blow. I will. Zero. I will here in a minute. Okay. All
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right. Uh, couple more tests here. Okay. I want you to stand with your heels and
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toes together with your arms down your side. When I say begin, I want you to estimate the passing of 30 seconds. Just
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close your eyes and tilt your head back. Okay. Ask me the pats in 3 seconds. Yes, sir.
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And another. I want you to stand just like you are. Make a fist. Rotate your hands facing me
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and extend both index fingers. I was I would record it, but like my phone's at 1%.
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Okay. Rotate your palms just like that. I'm going to give you a series of commands. Okay. The command is going to
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be either left or right. Okay? Whichever hand I say, I want you to bring that hand up, touch the tip of your nose with
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the tip of your finger, and bring your hand immediately back down. Okay? He asked for the test one last time.
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Blow. Let's blow real quick. Stop doing all these damn tests. Let's blow. Let's get to business.
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And finally, 1 hour into the stop, Winters got the breathalyzer device, but the results were not what he had
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expected. You ready? Yep. Okay, you can relax. Um, so I'm going to read your Miranda. Okay.
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The device showed 0.0. Yet he started reading Tavon his Miranda rights before arresting him.
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Right now, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be
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used against you in the court of law. You have the right to an attorney if you can on affordable one will be appointed
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to you before any question. Okay. Yes, sir. Officer Winters didn't show him the results and tried accusing him of
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smoking weed, too, but Tavan caught on immediately. When's the last time you smoked weed?
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I do not remember that. Tonight? Oh, okay. Well, I was I think it's tonight. I've had no weed tonight. 6:30.
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What? Why do you think it's tonight? Why do you think I smoke? I'll zero. So now
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you're trying to think I smoke weed. That's what's going on. You can't do that, man. You really can't do that.
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Absolutely I can. Is he allowed to do that? Yes, he is. 5 Z drugs, man. That's who we on.
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You think I'm on drugs? Winters said he had a reason for Galanakis' arrest, but he confessed
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something different on the phone. Here's my situation. I stopped this guy for having his brakes on. Um he's he
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fumbles around with his uh registration three, four, five times. He uh um he bombed sobriety. He I asked him I
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said I read him Miranda PBT triple zeros. Um so he he says he'll do an evaluation but he's kind of a smartass.
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Would you want to talk to him or All right, that's what we'll do then. Okay. But I obviously have enough for to
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charge him with the sobriety. So Galanakis was arrested and brought to the police station where he went through
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yet another test. This time it was a drug test. And of course Galanakis had nothing in his system.
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We're going home tonight. Okay. I don't think you're I have no evidence or no information to suggest that you're under
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drug. Thank you. So he wanted to have his last words with Winters who tried so hard to get him
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charged. So, uh, I just want to know like how does it feel? How does it feel for a while?
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Remember I told you when you first pulled me over and you're like, "You're impaired. You're on drugs. You drink
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alcohol." Turns out I'm not on any of that. Okay. Really dumb decision by you today. I'm
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really disappointed in how you can't bite your truck. I based my decision on your field so
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tests. Was it really failed though? I was It was pouring outside. It was terrible
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cement. And Taven sure had the last laugh, but these four officers are even worse.
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And your badge number, please. I don't even know why you're here right now. I asked you a direct question. Do you
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have your badge number on you? I asked you to leave because right now you're not allowed to be on our traffic
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stop. On March 27th, 2023, an officer approached a guy claiming he was standing too close to their traffic
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stop. But the guy was at a very considerable distance, and he knew it. So, he asked for her badge number. Sir,
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can I help you? No, thank you. Okay. Um, well, this is our driving stop right now. So, I'm just going to ask you
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to Okay. Thank you. You just asked me to leave. Do you know this person? Since you're making contact with me,
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could you identify your name and badge number? Um, I'm Officer Alvie. And your badge number, please.
00:23:20
I don't even know why you're here right now. I asked you a direct question. Do you
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have your badge number on you? I asked you to leave because right now you're not allowed to be on our traffic
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stop. At first, one officer, Officer Albi, tries to dodge the question, but the guy
00:23:34
insisted on getting it. After some back and forth, she finally budges. Ma'am, if you're refusing to identify
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your badge number, it might result in a complaint with your department. Okay, I understand that. My badge number
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is 639. Thank you very much. But I've asked your request at this time. At this time, it's not
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consensual. Despite this, the officer still demands the person should move further away from
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the scene. But he remains unfased. He stands his ground, pointing out his right to be there and watch the police
00:24:02
activity from a reasonable distance, which is protected by legal rules even established by the Supreme Court.
00:24:08
You have a right to record everything. We need you a little further away from the scene. Do you remember what the uh
00:24:14
Supreme Court ruled as far as the distance? Do you remember what it was? You don't know?
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Well, anything that we deem is unsafe. Okay, that's false. Have a good day, sir.
00:24:26
Okay. Well, I will uh make sure to research that information. Thank you, sir. I have the answer, by the way.
00:24:33
But just know if you get too close to a scene, you pay me arrest. Hey, man. They would have arrested me
00:24:38
already, man. Have a good one. I'm just letting you know. Have a good one. But the situation gets
00:24:42
more tense as other officers approach the guy. However, none of them could intimidate him.
00:24:48
What's going on? Can we help you with anything? Do you have any business to conduct here right now?
00:24:53
Can I ask you what type of business you're conducting? And can you take your hand out your pocket for me, please?
00:24:57
Since you're uh engaging with me, can I get your name and badge number? My name is Officer Robinson. Badge
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number 659. Thank you very much. Is it right here behind the vehicles? Did somebody complain to you, sir?
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No, I didn't. No. Have a great day, sir. Thank you. Can you set back behind the vehicle for me?
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Is that a lawful request? It is a lawful request. A lot of traffic stops. What's your name and your badge number?
00:25:24
Just to answer it, man. I don't have to, but I will because it's your policy. It's actually not our policy.
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It's not? No, it's not. You don't think it's professional to identify to people? Okay.
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My name is Officer Love. Love. Yeah. My bad number is right there. 619. 61. Thanks, sir.
00:25:39
This guy knew his rights and there was nothing the cops could do about it. So, they left before one of them lost their
00:25:45
job. And make sure we always record the police cuz they don't like it at all. They don't like to be seen bullying
00:25:53
others. Watch what happens when cops get outsmarted by a 15-year-old kid. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
00:26:01
I didn't do anything. You just tased me for no reason. On September 29th, 2019, the cops messed
00:26:07
with the wrong kid. They surrounded the house of Michael Franch to arrest him, but his son knew constitutional rights a
00:26:13
little too well. The whole situation started with Michael's son, Jack, who was riding around on a gas-powered bike,
00:26:20
annoying the neighbors in the process. The neighbors didn't appreciate his presence and threatened him. So, Jack's
00:26:25
father stepped in and got into an argument with the neighbor. Allegedly, another neighbor called the police,
00:26:30
claiming that Jack's father had a weapon hidden in his trousers. When police arrived, they decided to talk to Franch.
00:26:37
However, he declined to answer their question or leave his house. He asked for their names and badge numbers, but
00:26:43
the officers ignored this request. The situation quickly escalated when the officers started questioning him about
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an incident, to which he responded that he had no idea what they were talking about.
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Can I help you? Hello. Are you uh Michael? Hi. Uh, can I help you something? Yeah. Uh, we're here about Officer
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Rodriguez. Uh, first name? Jim. Jim. How are you, Jim? your name, please. Sorry. Badge number.
00:27:09
What's that? Badge number, please. Let's go ahead and talk about the incident that you had out here a few
00:27:13
minutes ago. Don't know what you're talking about. Okay, step down here for me. The officers insisted he stepped down,
00:27:19
but he refused. And this is when it got physical. Yeah. No. No. Hey. Whoa. Whoa.
00:27:26
I didn't do anything. You just came into my house without a warrant. Is there any gun in your back car? I
00:27:31
just want to make sure we're safe. We're safe. Okay. I'm not coming outside. Can we call Can we talk right here?
00:27:36
Are you sure we can, Jack? Come here. Record this. Come on outside. Record this.
00:27:40
Come outside. Jack, record this. Grab my phone and record this. Wa! I'm injured. Cooperate.
00:27:47
I am cooperating. You're violating my fourth amendment, right? Stop outside. You're violating my fourth amendment.
00:27:53
You guys cannot come in here without The officers forcibly tried to arrest him even though he was unarmed. Then
00:27:59
Michael was suddenly tased and dragged outside the police without doing anything wrong.
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I didn't do anything. You just tased me for no reason. Stop. Outside. What are you doing?
00:28:11
Stop. Stop. What? What am I being detained for? Outside. What am I being detained for?
00:28:15
Just stop resisting. I'm not resisting. I'm not resisting. Go take his phone. Thankfully, Jack was recording the
00:28:21
entire time. Even though a cop did try to stop him. Don't take his phone. Don't I'm good. I'm good. I've chilled the
00:28:28
whole time. I haven't done anything. Relax. I haven't resisted. All I'm trying to do is talk to you.
00:28:33
Put your hand. I am behind my back. Just This is unbelievable. No, I know. This is unbelievable.
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Walked in the house without a search warrant. This is unbelievable. Jack, follow me
00:28:43
and report. This way. Follow me and report. Give us space. I'm not Give us space. No. Jack,
00:28:50
what's your space? What's your space, Jack? Jack, record the whole thing. You're recording.
00:28:54
Give us space. Does this look like enough space? The cops took Jack's dad and even injured
00:28:59
him in the process. Somewhere back there. What are we doing? You don't twist the
00:29:03
handcuffs. You're injuring me. I'm not resisting. It's all been recorded. It is.
00:29:07
I didn't resist. I didn't do it. You know, see, he acknowledged that I couldn't resist.
00:29:11
Jack I didn't resist. Let me ask you to stop, right? I did I didn't do anything against your
00:29:16
instructions. You This guy came into my house without a warrant, without any probable cause.
00:29:21
Let me just talk for a second. I said I don't know anything. And he tackled me in my house. And when Jack
00:29:25
tried to talk, they didn't let him. They knew he was too smart and he would bring
00:29:30
them trouble. Officer, me and you, right? Okay. Yeah, he can talk. He can talk. No,
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I can talk because I was in a situation. No, I'm not going to arrest you. Okay, then calm down. He recorded the
00:29:39
whole thing. This guy is out of control. Okay. What's your What's your name? Step back.
00:29:45
Look, look, look. He just touched me. You can record all you want, but you're stepping back right now.
00:29:49
Don't touch me. Stop harassing me. Talk to you. We're just trying to We're just I'm videoing this. You can please scan
00:29:55
my personal space. Yes, you're you're not going to you're not going to interfere with what we're
00:29:58
doing. This is my property. Please you're not going to interfere with an arrest. You can record all you want, but
00:30:03
you're not going to get close to I'm on my property. Move back to my personal space.
00:30:06
I'm going to stand right here. This is my personal square. Please move. I'm going to stand right here.
00:30:10
Please move. You're in my personal space. No. What's your name? Yeah, I do not need to give you that.
00:30:14
Yeah, you do. For what reason? You're in I'm involved with this. Yes. But this guy threatened me and called
00:30:20
the cops on you. And what's your what's your badge number? What's your name? What's your badge number?
00:30:26
Badge number that says name. 3K12. Okay. Now, what's your name? I'm not making any statements.
00:30:32
You're not making any statements? Nope. Okay. I have the right to identify you. You understand that, right?
00:30:35
Then you can search up my face and you can search up my record. Okay. Okay. Their only option was to detain the kid,
00:30:41
too, and threaten him with juvenile court. But the officers knew he had zero charges.
00:30:46
So, you were the one driving up and down the street on the motorcycle? Uh, I was on my gas bicycle.
00:30:50
Okay. That's a gas powered vehicle. You have to have a driver's license. Um, no you don't. Not when it's 50 cc and you
00:30:54
have a permit for it. And once again, Jack knew his rights. After a while, the officers found out
00:30:59
that Michael did in fact have a concealed carry permit. So, he was allowed to own a gun as long as he
00:31:05
didn't wave it around and nobody said he did. So, the cops had nothing on him. Well, if he didn't threaten anyone with
00:31:11
it, there's no I don't. It was just a concern for me to Oh, no. Absolutely. But I don't think there's any reason to
00:31:19
try to write a warrant to get in the house. I'm going to arrest him for uh failure to obey a lawful command,
00:31:23
resisting uh disorderly. Yeah, disorder is that's good cuz it got her attention, too.
00:31:31
The only thing that was left was for the cops to make up a story since there was
00:31:35
no crime. Obviously, this is going to turn into something he's going to get, you know,
00:31:40
I'm going to do the sub on um how the kid was being back. How I checked his cuffs. Like his cuffs were
00:31:47
tight. He has big wrists. You click like once or twice in click anymore. What do
00:31:52
you do? Right. Anyway, you got to take him and then what are you going to do? Resisting
00:31:58
disorderly. Failure to identify. Failure to. And then I'm going to look up the having
00:32:03
a handgun in a dispute. It might not fly. It might fly. I don't know. Yeah, we never found a gun. We got the
00:32:09
witness statement, right? But you look that up if you want. That's be my guess. Yeah, I'll look it up.
00:32:15
But they didn't get away with it. Officer Rodriguez was charged with five violations which included using a taser
00:32:21
on Michael. Officer Thor was found guilty of three violations as well. Both of them were fired from their positions
00:32:27
and Michael filed a lawsuit seeking over a million dollars in compensation. But what happens when the suspect is already
00:32:34
rich like chart topping rapper Debab who found himself on the wrong side of the law and was forced to use his street
00:32:40
smarts to talk his way out? What's your full name? Come on. Come on. We just want to get you. This
00:32:51
is just a matter. Just tell, you know, name, date of birth, birth, and all that stuff.
00:32:56
Immediately, it's obvious that this isn't going to be an easy one for the detectives. Kirk starts off by refusing
00:33:03
to answer any of the officer's questions, even just regarding his own name. He's already been read his Miranda
00:33:10
rights, informing him that he has the right to remain silent. So, it seems as though he's choosing to do just that.
00:33:16
Interestingly, however, he is choosing to wave his right to a lawyer. And let's be honest here, it's not because he
00:33:23
can't afford it. The best course of action if you're ever put in this scenario is to stay silent and ask for a
00:33:29
lawyer. But this time, Kirk is confident that he'll be able to wrigle out of this
00:33:34
himself as long as he chooses his words carefully. An incident occurred at the hotel 1500 Southwest 1 Avenue
00:33:45
that you were there for. Correct. What incident? An incident. You You had an altercation
00:33:53
with somebody? No. You didn't? Did you have any business dealing with somebody? No.
00:33:58
You didn't? No. So, somebody didn't bring you $20,000 in front of the hotel in your
00:34:06
No. Somebody had somebody bring $20,000 that wasn't theirs and lied to them and told them that it was for an event of
00:34:14
theirs on the 31st and lied to them. That person once he realized they was doing bad business
00:34:22
said nah and left for his $20,000. Okay. So you didn't count and got my contact information to do
00:34:29
business the right way. That's what happened. What time was it? I don't know. Whatever time they told
00:34:35
you, whatever time, whatever time the camera showed me not robbing no damn body at time.
00:34:40
Kirk is claiming that he had nothing to do with anything that happened outside. His story is somewhat unclear, but he's
00:34:47
essentially saying that his manager was talking with an event promoter about playing at a nightclub called Cafe
00:34:53
Iguana Pines. But it turns out the money that they were offering was stolen and the promoter was acting strange during
00:35:00
the deal. So instead of taking it and going through with it anyway, he told them to get their act together and left
00:35:07
without an argument. This of course does not explain the altercation outside that
00:35:12
was clearly caught on camera. But with the footage unclear and no witnesses nearby to identify the asalants as long
00:35:19
as Kirk sticks to his story, theoretically things should be perfectly fine. Common sense.
00:35:26
Common sense. You know what I made to even be down here? the pro a promoter booked me at that hotel. I didn't pay to
00:35:32
be at those. That was paid for. You would have let me in my room, you would have saw close to a quarter
00:35:38
million dollars cash legally or hard earned money. I don't got to take nothing from nobody, bro.
00:35:43
Well, let me ask you this. I will go outside here right now and throw $10,000 in the air. Like, I do not
00:35:49
care about no money. I don't Was there an argument? No, it was an argument. I didn't argue
00:35:55
with a soul. I didn't argue with soul. My voice was never raised. Never aggressive language
00:36:02
from me. None of that. Was no fight. None of that. No, I ain't seen no fight. And nothing was taken. We shouldn't be
00:36:08
in no robbery, bro. So when y'all get done doing what y'all doing, y'all need to do y'all job. Y'all need to follow
00:36:15
your process. Y'all need to arrest whoever gave y'all these false allegations. Bro, this [ __ ] While
00:36:20
it may just look like Kirk is flexing his rapper money here, this is actually a very good point for him to bring up in
00:36:27
this situation. If he's doing random $30,000 deals on a weekday and paying for hundreds of thousands of people per
00:36:34
month, what does he need $80 and an iPhone for? The further he can place himself from this event, both literally
00:36:41
and figuratively, the better. From Kirk's point of view, he was nowhere near that crime. He had no reason to
00:36:48
commit that crime and he has sound and reasonable explanation for his whereabouts at the time. However, from
00:36:54
the detective side, a crime was committed and Kirk's vehicle was right there as it happened. So, they need to
00:37:01
try and extract the information needed to piece his day together to come up with a story that Kirk cannot argue with
00:37:07
that forces him into a confession. When I encountered you in the hotel, you came back to the uh the concier the
00:37:14
counter. Where were you coming from at that point? Prime. Prime. Whatever. Whatever the hell? I
00:37:18
went to eat. I went to get food. Where is that? I don't remember. You don't know?
00:37:22
No. How'd you get there? In the car, bro. What kind of car was it? The car you drove? Somebody else drove?
00:37:29
A Uber. A Uber? Yeah. What kind of car was it? Small car, SUV, truck. What? I don't know. Let's talk about what
00:37:37
matters. Let's talk about what y'all need to get me about this. When I'm driving in the
00:37:44
car, what I went to go eat, what time I went, that don't got nothing to do with the fact I ain't robbed a damn soul.
00:37:51
Me, nobody around me. Ain't nobody robbing nobody. Let's take the word robbery out the
00:37:55
picture. So, while we here, we taking the word robbery out the picture. Y'all, y'all
00:37:59
are robbery detect. This is robbery unit. That's That's the second word he said. That's the second word he said
00:38:05
when he came in here. Robbery. Come on, bro. Okay, listen. He told me he has to question me about a
00:38:09
robbery when I walk in my hotel. Uh, robbery. I had every answer to the question you needed right there. Whoa,
00:38:14
that ain't it. That's false. Throw that out the window. We talking about robbery, bro. It's nothing for me to
00:38:20
talk about. I didn't rob. So, do you think that we we just woke up this morning and decided to just
00:38:25
I think y'all got a phone call from somebody that that's already a liar. I know they're a liar. Got a phone call
00:38:30
from somebody that's a liar and y'all bought it. Y'all believed it. Y'all got me in here and y'all put me in
00:38:35
handcuffs, brought me outside the hotel in handcuffs, cameras and [ __ ] all on me. Come on, bro. This [ __ ] is bad for
00:38:42
what I got going on, and I ain't do [ __ ] to that man. Even without a lawyer present, Kirk
00:38:48
knows exactly what to do. He currently has the upper hand in this interrogation and needs to keep it that way. The cops
00:38:55
are searching for anything that puts Kirk at the scene of the crime. But by redirecting the conversation away from
00:39:00
that, back to what he thinks is actually important, there's no realistic way that
00:39:05
they'll be able to get what they need. But even though he's winning, it's still worth noting how strange it is that he's
00:39:12
not asking for a lawyer. Kirk obviously knows exactly what to do in an interrogation and has clearly spent time
00:39:18
learning what to do. If that's true, he should also know that there's next to no
00:39:23
scenarios where lawyering up will harm his case. But whether it's an ego thing or just a lapse in his thinking, Kirk is
00:39:31
definitely still winning this interrogation. But he's about to start absolutely dominating.
00:39:37
We talking about criminals. When when I do business is legally is legal is legally binded.
00:39:43
It's legally binded. Everything I do, you have to sign a contract. You got to sign a contract.
00:39:49
It's a contract right now. That whole incident happened and nothing nothing went wrong. Nothing nothing
00:39:54
happened. There was no not to none. There was no fight. There was no scuffle. There was no
00:40:01
I ain't fighting nobody. I ain't fighting nobody. But y'all know it's too much. Y'all know
00:40:07
too many lies. You get what I'm saying? That's why y'all got to move backwards like that, bro. Like
00:40:12
you're saying you're saying you're saying that they're lies, but you don't you you don't know what we what we have
00:40:17
on. Okay. I know. I know. If y'all I know if y'all had proof of me robbing somebody, we
00:40:24
wouldn't even be talking. Y'all would have cuffed me. I would be charged with it. That's what I know, bro. That's what
00:40:31
I know. Now, while this isn't necessarily true in every case, it is absolutely true
00:40:37
here. If you're in an interrogation room and the cops are trying to find out details of the case and accusing you of
00:40:43
a crime instead of charging you immediately, it very likely means that they're missing the details needed to
00:40:49
charge you. In the vast majority of cases, an interrogation is only done to extract a confession when they don't
00:40:56
have enough evidence to easily convict you otherwise. There are a few other niche scenarios such as trying to figure
00:41:02
out why you committed a crime, but it's often very easy to distinguish why exactly you're there based on what you
00:41:08
know about the event and what questions they're asking. If the cops know that you're guilty and have irrefutable
00:41:14
evidence, cooperation has a lot of merit. But if they can't prove you did what they say you did, stay silent and
00:41:21
ask for a lawyer. Especially if you're innocent. I ain't no fool. Your side of the story. my side of the
00:41:28
story is I ain't I ain't done I don't have a side to I ain't done nothing to nobody
00:41:34
and before something could be done to me and before something could be done to me
00:41:38
I realized I was dealing with with a a bad business and I what you saying was I already told y that you want to rewind
00:41:47
this you going to rewind it bro I already told y'all bro my story not going to come out different no matter
00:41:52
how many times I say it bro it's not bro it's right here you press stop and rewind and play. I'm going here. That's
00:41:59
why I said it was bad business, bro. Come on, bro. This blowing my phone up all day all night. He needed my help for
00:42:04
his event. He already was in in deep water cuz he's already doing and I see why he's already doing bad business. You
00:42:12
see what I'm saying? He has an event that wasn't going to go as planned. He needed me to make up for that. He needed
00:42:18
me to cover his ass. So, he brought in another person, lied to him, swindled him. He thinking he coming to book me
00:42:23
for a whole different event and they tricking him. got him paying me to come do a walk through tonight.
00:42:30
Come on, bro. The [ __ ] is full of [ __ ] And matter of fact, check them cameras.
00:42:35
Y'all got crime scene investigation unit out there. Check the cameras. See him meet up with somebody else in the lobby.
00:42:40
Ask him, "Hey, who is that?" Ask him. Follow up on what I'm telling y'all. That's what we're trying.
00:42:47
I mean, [ __ ] I mean, [ __ ] it. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, I
00:42:53
would expect people to act on common sense any the cops have realized that they're
00:42:58
definitely not getting anything out of him for now. He's told his side of the story and made it clear that it won't be
00:43:04
changing no matter what they say. So, as is the protocol here, the detectives decide to leave the room and spend some
00:43:11
time outside trying to come up with their next move. This is also often done as it gives the suspect time alone in
00:43:17
the room to sit and build up anxiety. In many cases, it can actually be the difference between breaking through a
00:43:22
suspect or not. But in this case, Kirk literally just shut his eyes and went to sleep. This dude really does not care.
00:43:39
However, it seems as though the detectives couldn't come up with their next step and decided that nothing was
00:43:44
going to make this guy budge. The next time a detective returned, it was regarding the security of Kirk's
00:43:49
belongings that had been left in his hotel room. Even though he hasn't been convicted yet, he was still the prime
00:43:55
suspect of this investigation. So, he'd be spending some time in jail while they
00:44:00
figured out what to do and gathered all the evidence they could. So, they just had to figure out what to do with his
00:44:05
stuff while he was locked up. But obviously, Kirk refused to let them touch his stuff and just let the hotel
00:44:11
deal with it. Kirk was facing a possible sentence of up to 15 years in prison, plus a $10,000 fine, plus any charges
00:44:18
they could slap him with for the battery. That's only if they could gather enough evidence, though. Evidence
00:44:24
they absolutely were not getting from Kirk or the blocked security footage. That was the only evidence the crime
00:44:29
even took place. So just after 48 hours in jail, the baby was released and sent on his way. Just two months later, all
00:44:38
charges were dropped and he remained a free man. But Jeff Pearson's story by far trumps the others as he wasn't a
00:44:45
famous rapper. He was just a heroin addict. Reports began flooding into the local PD when alarm bells began to sound
00:44:52
in a local 7-Eleven. But there was no suspect to be found anywhere close. Police decided to expand the search and
00:44:59
that's when they heard commotion in a nearby house. Without any other leads, they stormed in, discovering Jeff inside
00:45:06
sitting next to a gun. And that's when Jeff was arrested and brought in to be interviewed. The next 24 hours were
00:45:13
captured on police cameras within the interview room. But conversely to most footage similar to this, it was
00:45:19
originally uploaded to the suspect's own YouTube channel on the 25th of September, 2011. This is the first sign
00:45:26
of what makes Jeff a cult figure and a legend within the interrogation community. Jeff was held in police
00:45:33
custody for almost an entire day, but all of the footage from the three interrogation sessions held barely 15
00:45:39
minutes. Given that robbery and arrest took place within the state of Georgia, the usual minimum sentence would be
00:45:45
around 10 years imprisonment, ranging up to a maximum of life without parole. But
00:45:50
it would transpire that Jeff wouldn't end up doing a minute of this time. And instead of serving multiple decades
00:45:57
behind bars, he spent a day being served drinks and candy while delivering a masterclass in what to do while in
00:46:03
police custody. The following footage shows us in stunning detail what methods the cops will try on you and how to
00:46:11
dodge them like an absolute pro. The footage starts with Jeff handcuffed in a small windowless room dressed in prison
00:46:18
scrubs. It's clear he's already been processed and spent some time in a cell. Likely while the cops spent some time
00:46:24
gathering the evidence and prepared to question him. Am I under arrest? Not for now.
00:46:31
I'm under arrest. Yeah, I I'll explain everything. But before I talk before I explain myself to
00:46:35
you, before we talk to each other, I need to read your rights. Okay. What am I under arrest for?
00:46:39
Well, like I said, I need to read your rights first. Obviously, the charge is robbery. Okay.
00:46:43
Jeff immediately opens by asking if he's under arrest and on what grounds. From the first moment, it's evident that Jeff
00:46:51
has done his research, as this is exactly what you should be doing in this situation. From here, there are two
00:46:57
options. If you're not being arrested or detained, you can state that you're also
00:47:02
not obligated to stay and answer questions, and you should be completely free to leave the interrogation. If you
00:47:08
are being arrested, you can then immediately ask for a lawyer and stay silent until you're provided with one.
00:47:14
These options give you the best chance of stopping the police in their tracks and allow you to create the best defense
00:47:20
possible. What's amusing is that when you're being arrested in America, the officer is actually legally obligated to
00:47:27
remind you of this. Take a listen to the Miranda warning that this detective reads out to Jeff. You have the right to
00:47:33
remain silent. Anything you say can will be used against you in the court of law.
00:47:36
You have the right to talk to the lawyer for advice before he question you. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer and
00:47:40
you want one, a lawyer will be provided for you. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present,
00:47:44
you'll still have the right to stop answering questions at any time. Does that make sense? You've probably
00:47:49
heard these before, haven't you? These three points are incredibly important and are often overlooked by
00:47:55
the average citizen due to the panic of being arrested in the first place. Alongside this, because of how much we
00:48:01
hear these lines in media such as police shows and movies, most people completely
00:48:06
glaze over it when they're being read these rights and fail to take into account that they're actually being
00:48:11
provided with useful information that allows you to stay safe and protected while in police custody. What this
00:48:17
detective didn't mention though is that if you ask for a lawyer while under arrest, they are not allowed to continue
00:48:23
questioning, and you have a complete unquestionable right to refuse to answer any questions they may ask until you're
00:48:30
provided with an attorney. The detective also ends the rights with a snide remark
00:48:34
about Jeff's past, meant to subconsciously remind him that he is a previously convicted criminal. Do you
00:48:40
understand your rights? Do you understand your rights, Jeff? Yes or no? You understand? We're getting
00:48:47
paid more than you are. So, we can sit here for a long time. Man, I just need you to answer me. Yes or no?
00:48:51
Do you understand your rights? Let's get through that question. Do you understand
00:48:54
what I read you? Do you comprehend what I read you? Jeff has been explicitly told he has the
00:49:00
right to remain silent. So, that's exactly what he's deciding to do. Right here, the leading detective leans back
00:49:06
in his chair. This was meant to show that he's unconcerned with Jeff's silence and that he can stay there as
00:49:13
long as necessary. But body language like this usually indicates some form of unrest. It's clear that the detective
00:49:21
knows that this is going to be a tricky few hours for them. If you got something that says you
00:49:26
didn't do this robbery, this is your chance to talk to us. Okay, good cop. Uh, no. Usually I'm the prick.
00:49:36
You look like the prick. I am. If it's dominance we're talking about, Jeff just took everything the
00:49:42
cops had and dumped it in that garbage can. I'm I'm not asking if you want to talk
00:49:47
to me at this point. I just want to know, do you understand what I read to you? So, am I under arrest?
00:49:52
Yes, you're under arrest. Get me back to the cell. I don't talk to you [ __ ] Okay, fair enough.
00:49:58
In this first round of interrogation, Jeff exhibited exactly the correct behavior given his current
00:50:04
circumstances. He knows the cops have nothing on him. They wouldn't be there talking to him in the first place if
00:50:10
they did. So he stays silent. And so it's off back to his cell he goes. But 2 hours later, he's brought back to the
00:50:18
same room for round two. You wanted a Coke? Yeah. You going to be able to pop it open or
00:50:27
you need me to? I need methadone. You need methadone? Yeah. Yeah, you get me that methadone.
00:50:37
I don't have any. Do you have a medication for it or I mean a prescription for it or
00:50:42
what do you need methadone for? Cuz I'm a [ __ ] junkie and you guys I can't get no method. I'm going to go
00:50:49
through withdrawal here in a minute. A can of soda is all Jeff requested before he returned to the interrogation
00:50:55
room. But he immediately mentions the withdrawals that he's likely already starting to feel. However, methadone,
00:51:02
the drug Jeff asked for at the start of this conversation, can be used to significantly reduce the effects of the
00:51:08
withdrawal. It can even reduce the cravings he's also probably been experiencing for the entire time he's
00:51:13
been in police custody. How long you been using heroin? Long time, buddy. 10 years, 15 years.
00:51:22
I hardly been alive that long. What are you trying to talk to me about here? Talk to you about what happened last
00:51:28
night. Look, here's the deal. Either you're in a bad bad set of circumstances or you
00:51:34
went and committed an armed robbery last night. I'm in a shitty uh wrong place at wrong
00:51:40
time. Obviously, I didn't commit no [ __ ] armed robbery. All right, then let's talk about this.
00:51:44
Let's let's I don't talk to the police, man. Jeff is clearly through with the personal talk and wants to get back to
00:51:51
the matter at hand. In his eyes, he's been arrested for something he didn't do and wants to get out of there as quickly
00:51:57
as possible. Okay. I've been through the system, buddy. I know. I know you have. I know you have.
00:52:02
You're not my friend. I'm not your friend. You're trying to [ __ ] get me or you're trying to get All you're trying
00:52:07
to get is some [ __ ] stupid ass [ __ ] confession. And you're not going to get one,
00:52:11
Jeff. I'm not going to get a confession out of you for nothing. Exactly. Because I don't trying to get a
00:52:16
confession out of you. Okay. I'm going tell you, I didn't commit no armed robbery. And y'all ain't
00:52:21
got no [ __ ] evidence saying I did. Let me go. All you did is find me sitting in my buddy's house cuz my
00:52:27
[ __ ] buddy's dogs going ape [ __ ] I go outside. There are cops everywhere and they spotlight me. They say, "Come
00:52:34
here." I said, "What's up?" They search me. I ain't find nothing. What's up? Let me read this yet.
00:52:41
Cuz I'm not going to sign it. You don't have to sign it, but let me read it for you. Okay.
00:52:44
I'm not signing nothing. You don't have to sign it. The irony of this cop saying he's not trying to get
00:52:50
Jeff while he has him handcuffed in an interrogation room questioning him is very amusing. But even through all this,
00:52:57
every part of what Jeff said here is so perfect it almost sounds rehearsed. It's
00:53:03
an incredible display of personal legal defense and is even more impressive when
00:53:07
you layer it with the fact that Jeff is almost definitely starting to experience
00:53:11
withdrawals. I also want to highlight the point Jeff made about how cops are simply trying to force a confession out
00:53:17
of him. One of the main techniques used in these interrogations is the Reed technique developed by a former cop and
00:53:24
psychologist in the 1960s after he extracted a confession from a man accused of murdering his own wife. The
00:53:30
technique consists of nine steps, beginning with a polite discussion about why the suspect is being accused of the
00:53:36
crime, followed by using certain body language and actions within the interrogation as a display of guilt. The
00:53:43
method ends with offering the suspect two alternative statements they can agree with, one of which is slightly
00:53:50
more acceptable than the other, but whichever is chosen admits guilt and is counted as a confession. This method
00:53:58
forces the suspect into a corner and is exceedingly good at extracting false confessions from innocent suspects. In
00:54:05
fact, the original case that technique was formed around fell apart after discovering that the man in fact did not
00:54:12
kill his wife and was tricked into giving a false confession. Absolutely next level gaslighting.
00:54:20
Tell me what happened last night. Plain and simple. Your your side of the story.
00:54:24
I'm not talking to you. All right. This is what I don't understand. I know, but this is what I don't
00:54:32
understand. Jeff, you were sitting there talking just like you were ready to sit here and
00:54:36
tell me what happened last night and then all of a sudden I read that to you and you screw it. I ain't talking to
00:54:40
you. I want a lawyer. I don't understand that. What What changed just in the Cuz I told you what. I already told you
00:54:45
what happened. You didn't? How didn't I? You didn't tell me what happened last night.
00:54:50
How didn't I just tell you what happened? But now you've handcuffed me and I can't
00:54:53
talk to you because you asked for an attorney. So, okay. That's fine. But I will tell you right now, you're still on
00:54:59
a hold for a robbery. I know. I don't know why I need a [ __ ] lawyer because uh obviously I
00:55:05
didn't do nothing and obviously you guys know I didn't do nothing because I've been arrested for the same [ __ ]
00:55:12
before and you guys don't interview me this much. So, wham bam, thank you for the coke. Put me back in the cell.
00:55:19
That's my interview yet. Jeff has now asked for a lawyer and is once again refusing to
00:55:25
answer questions. But we're only halfway through this footage. And Jeff's ability
00:55:29
to defend himself and completely destroy this cop only gets better from here. Here's where the deal is. I have enough
00:55:36
evidence like what of the armed robbery. Okay. But you know, if if you're saying you didn't
00:55:44
do it, you need to give me your side of the story. I didn't do it. Okay. Well, give me your side of the
00:55:50
story. You got I mean convince me because I got a lot of evidence. I got a lot of
00:55:55
physical evidence. Well, like what name? I don't need why should I tell you that?
00:56:00
This is where the detective starts to become desperate. He knows he's running out of time and so has completely
00:56:06
abandoned any elaborate techniques or methods to try and get information out of him. He's now instead moved on to
00:56:12
essentially just threatening him with false claims of evidence that he can easily use to convict Jeff. If all of
00:56:18
this was true, he'd likely be trying to use it to intimidate Jeff into panicking
00:56:22
and giving up more information. But instead, he uses a flimsy rhetoric, claiming that because Jeff hasn't helped
00:56:30
him, he won't help Jeff. There's only a couple pieces of evidence I'm missing. Name them.
00:56:35
What's that? Name them. Why? Why don't you do that? You haven't helped me out at all. You
00:56:42
give me a little bit, I give you a little bit. We go back and forth. I give you one my piece of evidence. Now, give
00:56:47
me a little something. All right. What time do you get over to Eron's house? You know, I know anything I say here can
00:56:57
and will be used against me. Sure, but anything you say here, I can also tell your your parole officer you
00:57:03
help me out. That doesn't mean Now, the detective is desperately trying to bargain with Jeff. If he helps the
00:57:10
cops out, they'll put in a good word with his parole officer. But Jeff immediately realizes that means
00:57:16
absolutely nothing. What does a gold star mean if you're stuck in prison for 20 years? This further enforces the idea
00:57:22
that cops have absolutely nothing to convict Jeff with and also shows that they know they're running out of time.
00:57:30
Jeff has asked for a lawyer, yet they're still sitting there questioning him as if that's not a blatant violation of the
00:57:36
rights that they have read to Jeff on three separate occasions. They know that if they don't get anything out of him
00:57:42
soon, their time will run out. And Jeff is watching the clock closely. For the next four minutes of the interrogation,
00:57:49
Jeff continues to deny and combat anything the police say to him. They bring up the gun that he was found with,
00:57:55
continue to try and strike a deal, and even try to scare him by taunting him with what being back in prison would be
00:58:01
like, and without any of the drugs he's grown a dependency to. But throughout all of this, Jeff stays totally
00:58:08
stonefaced. He knows he's almost won. I'm done, man. [ __ ] this. I'm not even answering. All this [ __ ] that I just
00:58:15
said is going to be [ __ ] written in the discovery now, right? What? You haven't said nothing.
00:58:23
I mean, every little stupid thing that you've asked me, dude, is going to be in the discovery.
00:58:27
I'm not even going to do discovery. Who the prosecutor is? Okay. So you I mean you you halfway know the
00:58:36
system, how things work and you halfway don't. Am I right? I half ass know that the only reason I
00:58:42
came up here is to get a [ __ ] coke. Okay. And I got it. But now I want a butterf
00:58:48
figure. But that's not going to happen for a while. What? The butterf? Yeah. Why not?
00:58:55
[Music] I need to go to the hospital. I'm pumping up blood. Let's go to the hospital.
00:59:07
For the last few hours, the police have been questioning a man who is clearly in
00:59:11
pain, denying him access to the legal prescription drug that would help him deal with his issues, and questioning
00:59:17
him repeatedly on a crime for which they have no evidence for. All the while, Jeff dealt with this as casually as
00:59:24
possible, asking for sodas and chocolate bars. Jeff knew missspeaking at any point could lead him down a slippery
00:59:30
slope. So, he exerted his rights in the perfect way. And 12 hours later, it's recorded that he was released from
00:59:37
custody and sent on his merry way. It's also reported that from here, Jeff began
00:59:42
to turn his life around. He's off heroin and now spends his time uploading to the
00:59:47
same YouTube channel the footage from this video was uploaded to. He makes music and even gives extra tips on how
00:59:52
to avoid the police tricks. It's not just the interrogation room that you might have to defend yourself from
00:59:57
corrupt cops. Though patrol officers can be just as evil, such as Joshua Lloyd discovered while he was geocaching in
01:00:04
Phoenix, Arizona. Geocaching is an activity where people hide physical containers known as cashaches in
01:00:09
different places around the world, and others solve puzzles in order to find them. Joshua is currently searching on
01:00:15
the side of a public road, but it seems somebody wasn't too happy about this. Oh, hold on. We got the cops. They're
01:00:23
going to run my license plate. Morning. Can I help you? I don't know. Can we help you? Do you
01:00:28
live here? No, but this is public, correct? Uh, I'm not sure on that. Could be private
01:00:35
property. Could be. But if there was, I do believe there would be a sign posted somewhere,
01:00:39
right? Not necessarily. Is that your car? That is my car. Okay. Well, if it is public,
01:00:45
I mean, I would figure it's public. You have electric access here. Is there anybody in the car?
01:00:50
No, just me. But if you want to go check, go ahead, go check. Is that Can I get your permission to do
01:00:55
anything else? No. Do I need your permission? You would need my permission to go
01:01:00
inside the car. No, but you just said if you want to go check if there's someone else in the
01:01:04
car, do I? Oh, yeah. Yeah, go check and you can go look in and see. Let me go ahead. Do I need you to tell
01:01:09
me to go ahead to do it or can I do it on my own? Looks like this officer isn't having a
01:01:13
good day. At the first possible moment, he decides to start an argument out of nothing. He is right that he doesn't
01:01:18
need permission to look inside the car, but Joshua is just trying to be polite. There's no need whatsoever for the cop
01:01:24
to make this difficult. This little rant of his seems almost born out of insecurity, and that becomes a pattern
01:01:30
as the footage progresses. Well, I mean, you could do it on your own. You can do a plain view search. I
01:01:36
thought you were under the permission. I mean, would you guys like my name? I'll give you my name. You don't have to
01:01:43
run the plate for it cuz my name's not on the plate. What's your name? My name is Josh.
01:01:49
Josh. Mhm. Josh what? Lloyd. Hey, Phil. Joshua Lloyd. Huh? Joshua. You're not towing my car.
01:01:58
We may have to tow it. It's not registered to him. It's registered to a female. It's a ban. It's left on the
01:02:03
roadway running. I'm not going to leave it here. Are you serious? Not even going to
01:02:07
question me on who's who it's registered to. Would you like the insurance and registration?
01:02:13
Oh, you're not driving it. Why would I ask for that? It seems as though this cop is trying to make everything into a
01:02:18
bigger deal than it needs to be. Sure, it might seem odd that the car is registered to a different name next to a
01:02:23
guy that appears to have just been staring at a wall for 30 minutes, but we know that Josh has a reasonable
01:02:29
explanation for it, just the same as the cops would if they bothered to ask. But
01:02:33
instead, the cop just decides that the best idea is to tow the car and call the owner instead of just talking to the guy
01:02:40
that's explicitly saying he can explain everything. I'm going to try and get a hold of the owner. See if they know
01:02:45
where the car is. Otherwise, she'll tell you that her son-in-law has it. You're going to let him act like
01:02:52
that. Just because I'm standing over here next to a wall and you guys haven't even asked me what I'm doing. I even
01:02:59
like turned around. I gave you the thumbs up. He comes out all hard. Why? I'm not trying to catch you in anything,
01:03:05
man. Asking a simple question. The other cop's smirk says it all. He's well aware that his partner's behavior
01:03:11
is unreasonable and frankly just weird, but at the same time, he can't badmouth him either.
01:03:16
Have you been allowed to use the car? I live with her. Yes. And I'm allowed to use the car. Hence the reason why I have
01:03:22
it. Okay. All right. Well, we're going to do some research, find out whose property
01:03:27
that is. You got your name, your information. If it turns out that it is private property, then I'll author a
01:03:33
report for trespassing. I don't think it would be private property because what I
01:03:37
was doing was a public event. So you guys never even asked me. Listen to your statement. I don't think
01:03:43
that's why I'm going to find out for sure whose property. Okay, you go. Go ahead. For sure.
01:03:47
Again, here's the thing. I don't need your permission to check out whose property it is, but I appreciate you
01:03:53
giving me the go at. Can I have your name and badge number, please? Your card. 8632.
01:03:58
8632. You're you're recording it. Okay. Yeah. Can I have your name and badge number,
01:04:02
please? All right. Thank you. I greatly appreciate that. The way the second cop acts after his
01:04:09
partner leaves is like he's brought his kid along to work and he's telling Josh to just let him have his fun.
01:04:14
Regardless, the first officer tells Josh that they're going to head off and do research to make sure this isn't private
01:04:20
property. But even if it was, it'd be incredibly hard to convict him of trespassing anyway. As you can tell from
01:04:26
the footage, the area of land he was on is directly next to a public sidewalk, and there is no signage alluding to the
01:04:32
fact that the grass is somehow private property. However, even if it was, because of the lack of signage, Josh
01:04:39
would never be made aware that he shouldn't be there, meaning it's impossible to claim he knowingly entered
01:04:45
private property, the legal definition of trespassing. But before he lets the cops go, Josh has just one more thing to
01:04:52
say to them. You could do some further research before you go on a property, find out,
01:04:58
you know, you know, hold on, hold on. Before Before you go and give me the lecture, how about this? Before you come
01:05:04
up all hard ass on somebody, you ask them what they're doing. You could ask me simply at the very beginning very
01:05:11
nicely, hey, what are you doing? Do the research and find out whose property you're on because you may be
01:05:17
breaking the law. It's public property. I can tell you that. You're stating that as a fact.
01:05:21
I am. I'm stating it as a fact because I like [ __ ] with you guys. Well, now you're using more profanity.
01:05:27
I can use profanity. It's the First Amendment. No, you can't. It's the First Amendment. You cannot
01:05:32
restrict my speech. I can use it to emphasize my sentences. The one man's curse word is another man's lyric. Josh
01:05:40
articulates everything perfectly and of course is perfectly correct. Throughout this entire interaction, he provided
01:05:47
everything the cops asked for and more. remained polite throughout most of the conversation and most importantly knew
01:05:54
the law down to a tea. But with all of that said, he was still treated badly by this cop who frankly had no idea what he
01:06:02
was talking about. He's completely right to explain his free speech rights, too.
01:06:07
But to explain this further, let's take a look at the case of Tom, a teenager who managed to totally school two cops
01:06:13
when he was pulled over by cops who also had no idea what the law was. You idiot.
01:06:19
This man was walking down the side of a road when a police officer passed him. As they drove by, the man flipped him
01:06:25
off, breaking no laws in doing so. But the cops still got personally offended and decided to do this.
01:06:35
Why you g me? What? What's your problem? What? Why you giving me the finger? I'm walking away.
01:06:44
Huh? Am I free to go? Why you give me the finger? Am I free to go? No. For more reason,
01:06:48
the man who we'll call Tom gets pulled over for allegedly flipping off an officer. Immediately after talking with
01:06:54
the officer, Tom asks if he's free to go, and if he's not, why he's being detained. Predictably, the officer isn't
01:07:01
able to give a great response to either of these completely valid questions. What's your problem? Am I free to go?
01:07:07
No. What? Do you have a problem? No. You have a problem? No. Well, then I can leave. Why are you
01:07:12
You give me the finger when you're walking. Huh? Come here. I'm free to go. Why you walk? Get over here.
01:07:20
Why? Because Is that a lawful order? Yeah. For what reason? Because you're giving me the finger.
01:07:26
That's legal. No, it isn't. Says who? What's the law? What's your name? What's your name?
01:07:31
Conveniently, it isn't difficult to find the law on this one. Perhaps unsurprisingly, contempt of cop or
01:07:37
police disrespect is an incredibly common catalyst for unlawful arrest. However, it's very easy to prove that
01:07:43
swearing or gesturing at a cop in a non-threatening way is completely legal across the US. Freedom of speech is of
01:07:50
course protected under the First Amendment right and courts have concluded that giving the finger counts
01:07:55
as protected speech. In fact, in 2006, a case was open against a man in a very similar position. And the court
01:08:02
explicitly stated that directing the middle finger at an officer is protected expression under the first amendment,
01:08:08
meaning that Tom is well within his rights to flip the officer off. But unfortunately, the situation begins to
01:08:14
escalate and even more words are exchanged. Have a good [ __ ] whatever. [ __ ] you.
01:08:22
What you afraid of you? Come here. Get over here. What? Get over here. I'm not doing anything illegal.
01:08:29
Yeah, you are. You just cursed me off. That's not a crime. Yes, it is. Says who?
01:08:33
Says me. Turn around. Come on, bro. That is not a [ __ ] crime. Yes, it is. Why are you cursing me?
01:08:38
It's not a crime. What's your name? It's not a crime. What's your name? Help. Help.
01:08:43
No. Help. Help. At this point, the officer turns off his body camera, which on top of being
01:08:49
illegal, definitely isn't the best thing to do as you're handling a civilian who's screaming for help. This time, the
01:08:55
cop cites Tom's more recent expletives as the reason for arrest. But once again, Tom is completely allowed to say
01:09:02
what he said. The law says the only words not protected by the First Amendment are fighting words intended to
01:09:08
incite an immediate breach of peace. Or, in short, words that directly threaten someone or imply that the speaker is
01:09:16
going to physically attack someone. Obviously, what Tom said falls into neither of these categories. And as
01:09:22
backup arrives, the cop starts to realize that he might be in the wrong. Because you're acting straight.
01:09:31
What? That's not legal. It is legal. He's allowed to detain you until he performs a
01:09:37
What am I doing though? What am I doing that made him detain me? Was legal, right?
01:09:40
Every time I rode by him twice, he shot me the finger. So I turn around say, "What you want?"
01:09:43
Is that a crime? No, that's not a crime. F off, dick. Yeah, [ __ ] off, dude. That's not a crime. He's looking at you
01:09:50
cuz he's like, "What the [ __ ] you want me to do?" Cuz there's It's not a crime.
01:09:53
I know my rights. I don't have to say any of that. Uh, you do if you're being detained.
01:09:57
For what reason? What legal reason am I being detained for? Where are you coming from? Where are
01:10:03
you? What legal reason am I being detained for? I need to know that. Legally, I need to know that.
01:10:08
Now, the officers are telling Tom that he's legally required to identify himself now that he's being detained.
01:10:13
despite not being able to provide a reason for his detention. While this is often correct during an arrest, in New
01:10:19
Jersey, a person being detained not suspected of committing a motor vehicle offense can refuse to give ID. But the
01:10:26
cops are still way behind on this. Now, they can't even figure out why they're detaining him. Why are you shooting me?
01:10:33
Why are you Is that illegal? Why are you Yes, it is. It's causing a public disturbance and public. If you
01:10:38
are cursing in public, when you are cursing in public, you are causing a public disturbance. You're being a
01:10:43
nuisance to the public. I'd like to see you guys private. Of course, what he is doing is he's not saying
01:10:46
you're being charged with anything. At that point, he is detaining you to make sure that there is nothing wrong. Make
01:10:51
sure that you're okay. What reason does he need to detain? He thought maybe he thought you were
01:10:55
signaling him down. I'm not sure. He knew very well that I wasn't signaling you, right? I wasn't
01:10:59
signaling. You bringing attention to yourself. You're acting strange. I'm making sure
01:11:03
you're okay. The officers are desperately trying to make excuses now and now seem to be
01:11:09
claiming that this is a welfare check. and Tom's middle finger was a signal for help. Luckily, a case closed in 2013,
01:11:17
explored this very same matter. A cop observed a man giving him the finger and pulled him over, stating he thought he
01:11:23
was trying to get his attention and was concerned. But the court eventually ruled that, quote, "This ancient gesture
01:11:30
of insult is not the basis for a reasonable suspicion of a traffic violation of impending criminal
01:11:36
activity." So, with this in mind, it's extremely likely that the court would decide that the cop was lying here as
01:11:43
well, even without the body cam footage. But the best part of this entire investigation is watching the officer's
01:11:49
face as he tries to escape the hole he's dug for himself. You cursing and using vulgar gestures is
01:11:57
causing a is causing a public public disturbance. What's the first amendment for?
01:12:00
The first amendment is for your freedom of speech. Okay. What does that have to do with with
01:12:05
Was I making a call to action? Was I making a call to action? Was I like threatening you in any way? Did I
01:12:11
threaten you? Do you understand? Do you know what a call to action is? Do you understand that you're acting?
01:12:14
Is that a call to action? Am I calling for an action to be done against you? Do you understand
01:12:19
listen? It's it's it's behavior that's out of the order. So, what were you doing?
01:12:25
Well, I want to know from your perspective both. So, you tell me what you were doing to bring your attention.
01:12:30
I'll come with this. You [ __ ] idiot. What has now turned into an argument lasts for a few more minutes before Tom
01:12:38
finally gives in and hands his ID over and is told he's free to leave. Remember, he was not legally required to
01:12:46
identify himself, but that was the only thing that got the officers to let him go. Tom also informed the officers that
01:12:53
he intended to pursue legal action, but very little information about this is publicly available or the fates of these
01:12:59
horrifyingly corrupt officers. Both of these cases have featured people who knew the law perfectly and managed to
01:13:06
defend their own rights from corrupt officers. But let's flip the perspective quickly and look at criminals who were
01:13:12
so smart they managed to escape the cops with crafty techniques and street smarts. One such case is that of
01:13:18
Quantrell Schwarz who managed to outsmart cops by escaping custody in just seconds.
01:13:25
[Music] Quantrel was brought in for strangling a girl and assaulting her, a crime he
01:13:33
clearly didn't want to be convicted of. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Oh no. Unfortunately for Quantrell, his
01:13:58
handcuffs were a dead giveaway and he was captured 4 hours later. Of course, this isn't the only example of suspects
01:14:04
escaping police custody. In fact, Richard McNair's escape plan was so smart he managed to stay out of jail for
01:14:11
18 months, but not without an extremely close call. Richard was originally arrested for the shooting of two men
01:14:18
after he was caught robbing a house in North Dakota. One was badly injured and the other died at the scene. Richard was
01:14:25
given three life sentences for this, but he had absolutely no intention of sticking around for any of this. In
01:14:31
2006, he managed to escape from the prison by burying himself in a pile of mail and being carried straight out the
01:14:37
door. But just hours later, he was stopped by police while jogging away from the prison.
01:14:42
You live around here, buddy? No. Where you live at? Down the road by uh Pineville.
01:14:48
Pineville. Uh-huh. Okay. Do you have any formal identification on you? No, ma'am.
01:14:52
What's your name? Robert Jones. Richard appears calm, cool, and collected while talking to the cop and
01:14:58
gives the innocent alias of Robert Jones, stating that he's just out jogging around where he's stationed for
01:15:04
work. That's not the problem right now. Where's your address? I don't have an address. I'm at the
01:15:08
hotel. We're working on houses and stuff like that. What is We got an escapee. Oh [ __ ]
01:15:17
Where from? Prison. There's a prison here. Richard must think that the jig is up, but he
01:15:22
manages to stay calm and play it cool. He gives a simple, neutral response and keeps his stance on the loose to avoid
01:15:29
looking uneasy. The cop then radios in for a detailed description of the fugitive and attempts to match it up to
01:15:34
Richard. How old is your guy? How old? 50. Born in 56. Born in 56. 58. Col you got three. Well,
01:15:44
kind of a turquoise blue. Turquoise blue. Most people in this situation would be getting restless and
01:15:49
giving short closed off responses because of nerves. But Richard somehow manages to give full answers to
01:15:55
everything and even jokes with the officer. He's slowly trying to convince him that he's just a normal guy and that
01:16:01
he's absolutely not hiding anything. You know the bad thing about it? What's that?
01:16:05
You're matching up to him. That sucks, doesn't it? Yeah. I don't even know the address. We just
01:16:11
got into town about a week ago and he dropped me off to jog. I always drive about 12 mi a day.
01:16:16
Where'd he drop you off at? Up there on that road by uh there's some construction going on up there.
01:16:21
All right. And he dropped me off. He'll be back at the old hotel in about probably 10
01:16:25
minutes, 15 minutes. Where are you from? Huh? Where? Originally Dallas, Texas. What's your name again?
01:16:31
Jimmy Jones. This should have been it for Richard. He gives a completely different name to his
01:16:37
original alias, but the cop somehow completely missed it and carries on regardless.
01:16:42
Put yourself in my position. Where's y'all's motel at? Okay, Walmart's right there. Go right at
01:16:47
Walmart and there's a road 165 that goes south. Little old tiny hotel. I mean, it's clean, but And it's familyowned.
01:16:55
Little old tiny hotel. Yeah, you know, like a motel deal. You park up there. Um,
01:17:00
I promise you I'm not damn sure it's escaping. You'd have done run by now. You know
01:17:05
that yourself. Did you see anybody or anything? There's some kids up there playing. I'm
01:17:10
sorry to have to hold you up, but All right. No, I'm just doing my job, man. I know you are. Can you write down your
01:17:15
uh phone number, your cell phone number, so I can have whoever call you? Just call 911. It's all you got to do,
01:17:19
and they'll get a hold of us. All right. That's our quick line there. Have a good day. Now,
01:17:23
be careful, buddy. Thank you. All right. This was the last time Richard McNair was seen for 18 months.
01:17:28
During his time on the run, he traveled using stolen cars and supplies from Louisiana all the way up to Canada,
01:17:34
where apparently he almost bought a property and attempted to settle down. In October of 2007, Richard was finally
01:17:41
caught and apprehended in New Brunswick after he was identified driving a stolen
01:17:46
vehicle miles from where it was last reported. Despite quite literally being a murderer, Richard did play this
01:17:52
incredibly well and simply outsmarted the cop and all the others on his tail for a year and a half. This cop must
01:17:59
have been humiliated, but not as much as the unfortunate officer who had a run-in
01:18:04
with Joel Delgado, who had his escape planned for days before it actually took place.
01:18:12
Joel had been arrested on a myriad of charges, including drug trafficking and shooting his girlfriend, and was looking
01:18:18
to go away for a long time. But after his most recent arrest, he told police that he'd been badly injured, so was
01:18:25
taken to court in a wheelchair. This is why police were extremely shocked when this happened.
01:18:39
[Music] I'm a captain. For someone confined to a wheelchair, Joel sure can run. As just seconds after
01:18:53
escaping, he completely disappeared. No. Which way you go? Which way through the alley? Cut that
01:19:00
way. What' you get on? My damn radio came. Hold on. Damn. The other day I tried to come
01:19:15
behind you and get him. I don't know where he went. Hey, look. The wheelchair dude got up
01:19:22
and ran. Yeah, I couldn't catch his ass and my radio was in. I had my camera on though.
01:19:31
The wheelchair dude. I couldn't catch him. Tim had pulled off. Yeah. I can't even remember his name. He on
01:19:43
the run. All right. Hey, he took off, man. The wheelchair dude ran. He had a neck
01:19:53
brace on and all that. Did he really? Yeah. Didn't need that wheelchair very much,
01:20:00
did he? Hell no. Unfortunately for Joel, his freedom was short-lived, as just a few hours later,
01:20:07
he was caught and arrested once more, gaining nothing other than account of felony escape to add to the list. It
01:20:13
could be argued these last few cops had a simple lapse in judgment or simply got
01:20:17
beaten in the moment. But Mac Proctor proved that this cop had no idea what he was doing in the first place. All by
01:20:24
knowing the law and standing his ground. Mac was parked in a private parking lot
01:20:28
waiting for a takeout order while on his shift as a delivery driver. While his vehicle wasn't in a designated parking
01:20:34
spot, it wasn't blocking the flow of traffic, and he'd only left it there unattended while picking up his food.
01:20:39
Upon returning to his vehicle, Mac was approached by a police officer stating he was violating parking rules.
01:20:46
All right, Mr. Proctor, that is your last name. Everything okay? Do I need to answer any of your
01:20:55
questions? You don't have to answer anything, dude. Okay. You don't have to. Lucky you stand here
01:20:58
all day. I get paid either way. Can you go ahead and finish your job? So, I can carry on.
01:21:04
What's it with the anger, dude? I'm not angry. You're not angry. You always talk to
01:21:07
everybody like that. I'm I'm not angry. Oh, okay. I just want you to go ahead and wrap
01:21:12
things up, please. Okay. Of course, Mac has every right to stay silent in the face of the officer's
01:21:17
questions, especially ones that don't at all pertain to criminal proceedings. At
01:21:22
no point did he raise his tone or say anything out of line. Yet, the officer asks why he's being so angry. Many
01:21:29
people think that some police officers are used to consistently being in command and control in these
01:21:34
interactions. And it's possible the same is true with this officer. When Mac exercised his rights and just asked for
01:21:40
things to be moved along, this cop was surprised and took it as a combative statement.
01:21:44
All right. Well, you know, we'll give you a break on it, but you know what I'm saying? This isn't a parking spot. Okay,
01:21:49
dude. You're not giving me a break. You're harassing me at this point. I'd like to
01:21:53
leave. May I leave now, please? Well, do you understand? Am I being detained? Yes, you are.
01:21:59
Okay. All right. So, do you understand why I stopped you? Do I need to answer any more of your
01:22:05
questions? You don't have to. Okay. The officer informs Mac that he is being detained for parking here. To
01:22:10
issue a citation for parking violation, you must be breaking either local, state, or federal law. Something like
01:22:16
parking in a handicap spot without proper documentation. Hey, Mr. Proctor, can I give you your
01:22:21
stuff so you can leave? Can you? I can, but you're the one I would have let you go a long time ago.
01:22:28
What do I need to do for you to hand me my documents so I can leave? I need to right now. I just want to know
01:22:32
that you know that you're okay cuz usually I don't get people. What do I need to do for you to hand me my
01:22:36
documents so I can be on my way? You're okay. I don't need to answer any of your
01:22:41
questions. Hey, there we go again. Jesus Christ. Trying to say that. Uh, you're trying to display your power to
01:22:46
me right now. Oh, I'm concerned about it. Is there a problem to be concerned about another
01:22:49
human being? You have no reason to be concerned about me. So, it's okay then. You're okay. Then
01:22:55
you can hand me my documents and I can be on my way or we can Okay. You're not gonna Okay. Here. I'll
01:23:01
tell you what. I'm gonna take a chance on you. All right. Here, Mr. Proctor. Um, you're about everything's full. All
01:23:06
right. We're blocking traffic here. You're stopped. Mac was allowed to leave without further
01:23:11
incident, but this interaction raises questions about why he was met with further difficulties after doing nothing
01:23:16
other than exercising his fifth amendment right. In fact, it's strange that the entire interaction even
01:23:22
happened in the first place. If the officer had observed Mac's vehicle obstructing traffic, the incident could
01:23:27
have been avoided by simply asking him to move his vehicle out of the way and let him go about his day from there.
01:23:32
Instead, the officer detained Mac, preventing him from moving his vehicle and keeping it in the very place that's
01:23:38
allegedly impeding traffic flow. The cop later found out that Mac wasn't even a federal agent or officer himself, and
01:23:44
simply managed to prove just how valuable it is to know the law. Knowing the law and acting smart around the cops
01:23:51
can save you a multitude of charges and punishments. But what happens when the suspect just thinks they're a genius and
01:23:57
gets quickly put in their place? I wasn't in the car when I went to the Starbucks.
01:24:00
Did you lie to me? I didn't I didn't get you on that one. I feel like I got you.
01:24:04
That's exactly what happened to David Wright on the 17th of February, 2019 when he and his friend Christopher
01:24:11
headed to a drug deal at 3:40 a.m. But this was no ordinary drug deal. It was actually a setup for a robbery on both
01:24:20
sides. David demanded his buyers hand over their belongings, to which they responded by pepper spraying Chris and
01:24:26
running. Seconds later, David drew a revolver from his waist and fired a single shot into Raul Cuadro's chest,
01:24:34
killing him instantly. David and Chris fled the scene and buried the revolver in a field and went about their nights
01:24:40
confident there was no way they could be caught. But unfortunately, they were almost immediately identified through
01:24:47
multiple cameras around the area everything went down in. David was brought in two days later, but still
01:24:52
believed the cops would never find him guilty and that his extraordinary intellect would carry him through the
01:24:58
case. How wrong he was. So, like I said, I mean, it's already been in the media. Four people have been
01:25:05
arrested. It's not like we don't know what happened to some extent, you know, but there's always more that we don't
01:25:12
know from every single party, right? Everybody has a little piece of the puzzle. We don't necessarily get the
01:25:17
truth from everybody. So, I would like to hear from you what happens. Well, I have no clue because I am just
01:25:25
now hearing about this. So, I mean, the whole I don't know what you're talking about is kind of out the
01:25:32
door at this point. I got several people who have already identified you. You're
01:25:35
identified on video. So, it's not a question of that you were there. It's more a question of what led up to this.
01:25:42
So, I don't think this is what was actually supposed to happen, right? So, you're just going to play that that
01:25:49
you have no idea what happened cuz you weren't there? I was not. No. Not only was David identified by
01:25:56
multiple people through CCTV footage, but he also had no alibi and Facebook messages were recovered discussing
01:26:03
details of the alleged drug deal. David was there at the time of the murder. The
01:26:08
detective is just trying to uncover the details of exactly what happened and why. But David is having none of it and
01:26:15
has a plan to outplay the detectives. It's not helpful to you really to just be quiet and not say anything. Cuz what
01:26:21
I have are people who are looking out for themselves because they don't want to catch charge. So they're going to
01:26:27
dime you off. They're not looking out for you. So you believe somebody that's going to
01:26:32
tell you that somebody else did something to save their own ass? Well, with all the additional evidence?
01:26:36
Yes. I've been out of jail for all of a week and a half. I spent almost every minute
01:26:41
of it with my girlfriend. As for did I plan to kill anybody? Did I kill anybody? No, I didn't.
01:26:47
So, when I look at the GPS on your phone, it's not going to tell me that. It's going to tell me that you were with
01:26:52
your girlfriend the whole time that you never were were over at Jack in the Box.
01:26:56
It should. The only reason you might tell me that is cuz maybe you didn't take your phone
01:27:00
or maybe somebody else had my phone. It's been known to happen quite often. Actually,
01:27:05
my phone has been I left it in one person's car and it took me a day and a half to get it back.
01:27:11
When was that? Uh that was earlier in the week. And then I let somebody use my phone. They
01:27:17
were supposed to just go to 7-Eleven to go meet somebody they were selling something to on Offer Up.
01:27:21
Mhm. And they had apparently seven or eight things that they had to do between then and when they got back to the
01:27:28
house. So, what day was that? I don't remember. And who was that? That was a guy that goes by Memphis. His
01:27:36
nickname, I think, his uh first name is Joe, black guy. David's only current alibi and defense
01:27:43
is that maybe somebody else had his phone and was at the drug deal instead. He also backs up his story by saying he
01:27:50
doesn't remember exactly which day everything occurred on, something that can't directly be proven or disproven.
01:27:57
However, for this to be true, that person with his phone would also have to dress exactly the same as David, have
01:28:05
access to his Facebook account, and according to his own description of the perp, change the color of his skin. It's
01:28:14
not looking too likely. You know why you're here and what's going on. I mean, at this point, you're
01:28:18
literally the last person we've talked to, and the only person that has an allegiance to you is Chris. I mean,
01:28:25
obviously people are not going to be shy about telling us who was there and who did what. And plus, we have video.
01:28:32
There's video at the chevron. There's video at the shell. You know that we have all your co-
01:28:38
suspects under arrest. All I want from you is a reason. I understand what happened. I just need to
01:28:45
know why. The only person I know you have under arrest is Chris. Okay. We have Cody under arrest. And we
01:28:52
have Tanahill. What's his name? Ray. He's in custody as well. We have his car, the car that was used, the car that
01:29:00
was at Chevron in our impound. They are all under arrest. Chris is under arrest because we viewed messages
01:29:08
on the phones that organized picking you up. Those same messages from you to Cody,
01:29:17
we have them on their phone. We've already viewed them. We have the Facebook communications between Chris
01:29:24
and Briana setting up the deal that happened where you guys showed up at the Chevron and walked down. This is how
01:29:31
this plays out. Your girlfriend's going to be dumb enough to provide you an alibi on a murder charge and then she's
01:29:36
going to get roped up in a murder as an accessory. If you care about that person, you have
01:29:41
just set her up for failure. And if you want your girlfriend jammed up cuz you just set her up for it, then that's your
01:29:48
choice. No, you can't threaten me with jamming her up. It's not a threat, man. I'm just telling
01:29:54
you how it plays out. Like, I'm going to go talk to her and she's going to be dumb enough to lie for you when I got
01:29:59
video evidence that she you weren't with her. Dude, I get it. Like, you had a quick
01:30:04
come up, right? I I get it. I don't I don't think you were a stone cold killer. I don't like if you accidentally
01:30:13
shot the dude cuz you flinched or you got scared because of something he did, now is the time. If you come up with
01:30:20
that stuff later, nobody is going to believe a word you say. How the would somebody accidentally
01:30:24
shoot somebody? Cuz if your finger's on the trigger, it's called a sympathetic reflex. It
01:30:29
happens to police officers all the time. I think that's a term that's been come up with just to cover their asses for
01:30:34
shooting people. Well, you can try to make it about that. I'm talking about you.
01:30:39
I wouldn't know. Never shot anybody. There is a lot of merit for staying silent in an interrogation like this. In
01:30:46
fact, in most cases, it's usually the best course of action, coupled with asking for a lawyer as soon as possible.
01:30:54
But here, David is trying to outright deny any association with the case, even though he's been directly linked to it
01:31:01
through multiple sources. All he's doing now is making it worse on himself and those around him. But his ego is telling
01:31:09
him otherwise. Where do I go from here? And you're the police officer. Reverse roles. You're
01:31:14
you're the cop. You're sitting over here trying to figure out if this dude has any remorse for what he did or if he's
01:31:20
just worried about getting in trouble. How would you proceed? I'm not worried about getting in
01:31:25
trouble. I didn't do [ __ ] I'll just be upfront with you. We got Cody's phone. The one that shows your
01:31:30
phone number and your address and the communications between you two. Like, I have it. Like, I'm not trying to be a
01:31:36
dick. I'm just laying it out for you because I met up with somebody doesn't mean that
01:31:40
I went with them to go do something. This seemingly plain statement actually carries more weight to it than you might
01:31:46
realize. The detective presented David with a piece of concrete evidence that he's saying puts him dead to rights. To
01:31:54
which he responds by confirming he had indeed met with Cody, but it went no further than that. Again, it seems like
01:32:01
nothing. But now that detectives know this tactic works on David, they can attempt to use the wealth of other
01:32:08
evidence they have to slowly extract a full confession from him. Okay. So, when did you meet up with Tony
01:32:15
then? 1 2:00 in the morning, something like that. On what day? Maybe Saturday or Sunday.
01:32:24
Okay. Where did you meet him? Uh over by my house. Okay. And who was with him? Dad, I don't know.
01:32:32
Was he alone? When I met up with him, yes. So, why did you meet up with the dude
01:32:37
that you didn't know? Because my friend Chris had asked me to. Okay. And so, what happened after that?
01:32:46
Well, he had tried to proposition me for a handgun. Mhm. I told him I didn't have one.
01:32:52
Okay. So, you say why? No. So you guys meet up, you have this conversation, then what happens?
01:33:01
He leaves. And how did he leave? Well, I walked back to my house and he walked back to whatever vehicle he was
01:33:07
in. Okay. Why did you leave that out when we first started talking? You think that
01:33:12
might be important that the guy under arrested murder came to your house looking for a gun?
01:33:17
Well, if I had given him a gun, then I think that that would be important. Well, it shows his intent. I mean, of
01:33:23
course, it's relevant to the case, right? People buy guns for all sorts of reasons, man.
01:33:28
Yeah, but in this instance, there was a murder. So, they went on their way. Just
01:33:34
the Cody dude. And did you actually talk to the other guy in the car? How does he
01:33:39
know who you are then? Maybe my name was mentioned when they were coming to meet me.
01:33:44
But he didn't see you. Unless he seen me when he was parked. But you didn't see the car.
01:33:51
I didn't look for the car. Unless I'm coming to meet somebody at their vehicle, I don't ask what vehicle
01:33:57
they're in. Well, that's not and again, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to
01:34:01
insult you, but that's not very smart. Meeting somebody to sell guns and you're not going to watch around you to see
01:34:08
where they come and go. Not very smart. By somebody that I trust. Okay. I would still be on my six.
01:34:17
So, you clearly have a distrust of the police. Is that fair to say? I distrust almost everybody.
01:34:28
Being honest with you about the information that we have, trying to give you an opportunity. And I I I mean,
01:34:34
you've already said flat out you don't believe that that he has that information. But I mean, with everything
01:34:39
he's told you, you have to know that what he's telling you is true. Well, whatever you have, you've got from
01:34:45
people that may not necessarily be giving you information for the best of reasons. So take the people out of this.
01:34:52
Take them out. Who cares about the people? We got other stuff, communications and all those types of
01:34:59
things, the video. So it's not just that people are telling us this. We're not relying 100% on people. If we did that,
01:35:05
we'd be stupid, right? I like to think I'm not that dumb. You take a totality of everything that we have.
01:35:13
We know you're involved. And for you to sit here and just say that you you don't
01:35:17
have anything to do with it doesn't make any sense. I think that you guys have me confused
01:35:23
with somebody else. This interview has now been going on for over 40 minutes and almost no progress
01:35:29
has been made. Forcing him into a corner with evidence doesn't seem to be working
01:35:33
and neither does running through the events of the night or even explaining why what he's doing is a bad idea for
01:35:40
him. So instead, the detectives almost completely switch up and begin to threaten him with the consequences of
01:35:47
his actions on his own friends. Dude, you're not this guy. You know, you're not this guy. If you were, this
01:35:55
conversation would be different. Yeah, I'm obviously not this guy. I meant I meant the dick that is letting
01:36:03
everybody else go down for him. I meant that type of guy. That's not you. You have a reputation as being a standup
01:36:10
dude. I think that whatever those guys did if it leads to you believing that they were
01:36:15
accompllices and accessories and everything like that. Yeah. Would be their own fault if they [ __ ]
01:36:21
hang. Really? Even though hypothetically you're the person who pulled the trigger. So even
01:36:28
though somebody else pulls the trigger, you're good with those guys going down. Your homie Chris, you're good with him
01:36:33
going down. And I get it. You don't have any allegiance to these other two dudes.
01:36:37
I understand that. So, you're good with Chris going down, getting 20 years off of what you did. You're good with that?
01:36:45
If you guys have him orchestrating and setting up something like that, then that's awful.
01:36:52
It's his own fault that you shot somebody. It's his own fault that you didn't do things the right way. That's
01:36:57
his fault. I ain't shoot nobody. He should put himself around better people. Okay.
01:37:06
You know he's going to read this, right? I mean, he's going to have disclosure. It's fine. I'd much rather not see my
01:37:13
friend get in trouble. But if by you saying that, you guys want me to tell you that I did something that I didn't
01:37:21
do. Fair enough. I don't want you to tell me that you did something you didn't do.
01:37:25
That's not what I want. I want you to admit to what you did do. Cuz it's not even a question that you did.
01:37:31
If it wasn't a question, you wouldn't be sitting here trying to get me to admit to something I didn't do.
01:37:34
I would because it's the right thing to do. You may not trust the police, but I don't want to jam up all these other
01:37:41
dudes on a murder one charge for something you did because it's not right in my mind that other people go down for
01:37:48
something that serious off of what somebody else did. So, I do care about that. That's why I'm talking to you.
01:37:56
Well, you're talking to the wrong guy. You don't care about those dudes. I'm not saying I don't care about him.
01:38:03
I'm saying that you're talking to the wrong guy because I didn't do [ __ ] That's not
01:38:07
And I think that that's not what innocent people say. Innocent people that actually give a
01:38:14
Yeah. No, I You know how many people I've had in that chair, man? Thousands. I don't You don't give a You don't give
01:38:20
a That's you. Like, enjoy your time. I don't care then. I don't I don't have any uh hard feelings for you. I'm just
01:38:27
going to move on to my next case. I just want you to know this isn't about you. This isn't personal. Like you can say
01:38:31
you don't care, but I actually think you do. I think you're being So with that said, so you agree that uh
01:38:38
there's nothing more to say, right? If you don't want to talk to me, there isn't.
01:38:42
Well, I don't want to talk to somebody that's going to keep on calling me a liar.
01:38:45
I have yet to call you a liar. You've made the implication that I'm lying to you.
01:38:48
Cuz you are. But there's a difference between calling someone a liar and then pointing out inaccuracies in their
01:38:53
story. There's a big difference. One is disrespectful. The other is not. Have I been disrespectful to you? Have I
01:38:59
been disrespectful to you? Have I insulted you or or come at you hard or done anything on the
01:39:03
You called me a liar. Yes, you did. You were lying. I'm not lying. Do you not freely admit that you lied to
01:39:10
me in this interview? Where did I lie to you? About meeting up with Cody, about being
01:39:16
home, not going out at all, and then now you periodically are going out. Would you not concede that both of those
01:39:23
things were lies? I don't go farther than a couple blocks from my house on foot to meet somebody very quickly and
01:39:30
come back. Okay. That's not what you told me. So, you don't leave your house? I don't leave my house. I was home all
01:39:36
weekend with my girlfriend. It's on tape, man. There ain't no secret. Like, dude, I've got to walk my dog. Of
01:39:41
course, I leave the house periodic. Okay. But as for did I go anywhere? So, you were never at casino in Evergreen
01:39:50
anywhere near there within three or four blocks Saturday night. I just want wanted to make sure that we have this
01:39:56
down. Let's see. Sunday. How far is the Starbucks on Evergreen? Which Starbucks?
01:40:04
The one on 75th. Yeah. No, I'm not talking about that. Okay. Yep. Then no, I wasn't.
01:40:09
Okay. So, you're at the Starbucks on 75th earlier in the evening. Yeah. like 8 or
01:40:15
9:00, something like that. Well, that's not home. Did you lie to me? I don't even get a smile out of that
01:40:21
one. I didn't I didn't get you on that one. I feel like I got you on there. Blatantly caught in a lie. It might not
01:40:28
seem like it yet, but David is starting to get uncomfortable. If it's not been obvious throughout the whole video, the
01:40:34
only thing he cares about is his own ego. So now that that's been damaged, he's immediately on the back foot and
01:40:42
it's up to the detective to keep pushing and try to get him to move just that little bit further.
01:40:47
Were you with somebody? Yeah. Who? Another woman. Who was that? Not going to tell you that because she'd
01:40:55
be very upset. Yeah, but it's a homicide. It can help prove that you weren't involved.
01:41:01
How? Cuz if you're with her, right, that that gets my timeline tighter. So you were
01:41:07
with her from 8 to what? Not very long. So you had half hour at most. So you don't want to tell me who that
01:41:14
is? I really don't. Okay. Were you in a car? You're on foot? I rode my bicycle. So 75th. Then how'd you get home?
01:41:27
I got a ride from her with my bicycle in the back of her SUV. So there was a car. Did I get you there?
01:41:34
Feel like I got you there, too. Yeah. Appreciate Just looking for honesty, man. I mean, at this point, I'm
01:41:39
I feel comfortable that you have lied to me several times. I'm looking for honesty so that I can rule you out.
01:41:44
If you asked where I was Saturday night, Sunday morning. I did. Yeah. So, Sunday morning,
01:41:51
late Saturday night. Yeah. Doesn't cover 8 or 9:00 in the evening. Oh, okay. So, then let's rewind. So,
01:42:01
Saturday morning to 8:00, where were you most of the time? I don't know. Can you just lay it out for me? Why do I
01:42:08
got to like pull it out of you? Like just I'm asking where you were, man, so I can rule you out.
01:42:13
For the first time in an hour, he's been sat in the interrogation room. David moves his hand from his lap and adjusts
01:42:19
his cap. His hands have also been moving around very slightly, and he's been stuttering over his words. His ego has
01:42:26
been properly bruised, and he's starting to get very uncomfortable. If provoked,
01:42:30
narcissists such as David are likely to suddenly snap in an instinctive effort to prove that they are smart and in
01:42:37
control, but often give up all the information the cops need to catch them dead to rights. So, the detective keeps
01:42:43
up his nononsense direct questions to try and get them to crack. The only places
01:42:49
that I go usually I go to 7-Eleven. Okay. The little Asian market if you know we
01:42:57
need tubes and tobacco for rolling cigarettes, but that's not very often. Okay. Walgreens.
01:43:03
Yeah. But Saturday, did you go to those places? I don't need to know where you generally go. I need to know where you
01:43:08
went Saturday. I probably went to 7-Eleven at some point. Any idea what time? I go when I need something or want
01:43:14
something. I understand. But that's why I'm asking like anytime. Do you remember wanting or
01:43:20
needing something on Saturday? No, I don't because I don't feel like I need to track
01:43:27
every one of my movements and [ __ ] like that because I don't need to have a lock
01:43:32
tight schedule of what I'm doing and where I'm going. As long as I'm at DOC on Thursdays between 1 and 3
01:43:38
and I make my appointments with ideal options, then doesn't seem like a big deal to me where I go.
01:43:44
Okay. Unless you're being charged with murder, then it kind of is a big deal, right?
01:43:47
Yeah, but if I don't pay attention to and keep track of these things, how the [ __ ] am I going to tell you where I was
01:43:53
without lying to you then? Because I don't know exactly when I was there. Well, you could at least try.
01:43:59
Yeah. Yeah, I would try. If it can rule you out as a suspect in a homicide, I would try.
01:44:05
Yeah. Well, where I was Saturday during the day has no bearing on where I was Saturday night, Sunday morning.
01:44:14
It does. Absolutely it does. Cuz I can show you're wearing different clothes or I can show you wearing the same clothes,
01:44:22
right? That's pretty important. Do you agree? I can show that you were with somebody else and not with these people.
01:44:28
People change their clothes. People meet other people. Oh, no. No question. But if I'm chipping away at that
01:44:35
timeline, right, it can be exculpatory for you, meaning that it excludes you as a suspect.
01:44:44
I know my vernacular is very good. Sweet. So, you don't have to explain your words
01:44:49
to me. Look, dude, you can act like you're uh upset about that. You're not. So, let's
01:44:53
move past it. The fact that you're talking to me like I'm a child. I'm not talking to you like
01:44:58
a child. What did I How did I talk to you like a child? Tell me when. I think I have to
01:45:03
explain a word that you're using to me. Most people don't know what that word means. I apologize.
01:45:07
Most people areing idiots. Okay, you can pretend you're getting upset about it, but you're really not.
01:45:12
No, I'm getting upset. You call me a liar about cuz you lied. You lied. And I don't actually think I called you a
01:45:17
liar. I did say you lied, but I didn't think I actually called you a liar. So, I'll call it to you now so we can just
01:45:23
move past it. You are a liar. You have lied. Do you want to tell me what happened or not?
01:45:28
Couldn't tell you cuz I don't know. Fair enough. That closed the tape out for you, right?
01:45:35
Should have done that a long time ago when I said the conversation was over. Okay, whatever you say, Burger.
01:45:43
And so it seems the conversation truly was over, as from then on, David refused to even say another word, choosing not
01:45:51
to exercise his perfect vernacular anymore. And predictably, he didn't last long in court. Given that he made no
01:45:59
attempt to defend himself or cooperate with detectives, he was faced with the maximum possible sentence. David was
01:46:05
also already a convicted felon with charges of arson, burglary, vehicle theft, and 35 other misdemeanors dating
01:46:13
all the way back to 1999. So, in October of 2020, 33-year-old David Wright was sentenced to 40 years
01:46:20
in prison without the possibility of parole.