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When The Suspect Is Smarter Than The Detective

January 21, 2023 / 15:51

This episode covers the interrogation of Jeff Pearson, a suspect in an armed robbery, and his unique approach to handling police questioning. Key topics include Pearson's legal rights, police interrogation techniques, and his eventual release without serving time.

In 2011, Jeff Pearson was arrested after a robbery at a 7-Eleven in Georgia. During his interrogation, he demonstrated knowledge of his rights, refusing to sign confessions or answer questions without a lawyer present. The episode highlights how he outsmarted the police by remaining silent and aware of their tactics.

The discussion includes the psychological aspects of police interrogations, particularly the Reid Technique, which is designed to elicit confessions. Jeff's responses to the detectives reveal his understanding of the system and his ability to navigate it effectively.

Throughout the interrogation, Jeff requested basic needs like food and medication while maintaining his innocence. The episode emphasizes his calm demeanor despite experiencing heroin withdrawal, showcasing his resilience and strategic thinking.

Ultimately, Jeff was released after 12 hours in custody, having avoided any prison time. The episode concludes with his transformation, as he now shares his experiences and advice on his YouTube channel.

TLDR

Jeff Pearson outsmarts police during his interrogation, avoiding confession and prison time while showcasing his legal knowledge.

Episode

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I'm not signing nothing okay I've been through the system buddy I know how I know you have
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you're not my friend all you're trying to get is some stupid ass confession and you're not going to get one on a
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seemingly regular evening in 2011 alarm Bells began to sound itself in a local 7-Eleven reports of an armed robbery
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began flooding into the local police department but upon arrival at the scene the suspect was nowhere to be found
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after expanding the search that's when it's assumed police heard commotion in a house nearby and without any other leads
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they stormed in discovering a known heroin addict sitting inside with a gun without any other evidence they arrested
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the man and brought him to be interviewed the so-called addict was Jeff Pearson the man who committed the
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robbery and the following goes down in history as one of the only times a man singlehandedly beat the cops at their
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own game all that while experiencing horrific heroin withdrawal this is what happens when the suspect
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outsmarts the cop the next 24 hours were captured on police cameras within the interview room but conversely to most
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footage similar to this it was originally uploaded to the suspect's own YouTube channel on the 25th of September
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2011 this is the first sign of what makes Jeff a cult figure and a legend within the interrogation Community Jeff
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was held in police custody for almost an entire day but all of the footage AG from the three interrogation sessions
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held barely 15 minutes given that robbery and arrest took place within the state of Georgia the usual minimum
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sentence would be around 10 years imprisonment ranging up to a maximum of life without parole but it would
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transpire that Jeff wouldn't end up doing a minute of this time and instead of serving multiple decades Behind Bars
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he spent a day being served drinks and Candy while delivering a master class in what to do while in police custody the
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following footage shows us in stunning detail what methods the cops will try on you and how to dodge them like an
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absolute Pro the footage starts with Jeff handcuffed in a small windowless room dressed in prison scrubs it's clear
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he's already been processed and spent some time in a Cell likely while the cops spent some time Gathering the
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evidence and prepared to question him am I under arrest for now I'm under arrest
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yeah I I'll explain everything but before I talk before I explain myself to you if we we talk to each other I need
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to read your rights okay what am I on a right for well like I said I need to read your rights first obviously the
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charge is robbery okay Jeff immediately opens by asking if he's under arrest and
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on what grounds from the first moment it's evident that Jeff has done his research as this is exactly what you
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should be doing in this situation from here there are two options if you're not being arrested or detained you can state
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that you're also not obligated to stay and answer questions and you should be completely free to leave the
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interrogation if you are being arrested you can then immediately ask for a lawyer and stay silent until you're
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provided with one these options give you the best chance of stopping the police in their tracks and allow you to create
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the best defense possible what's amusing is that when you're being arrested in America the officer is actually legally
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obligated to remind you of this take a listen to the Miranda warning that this detective reads out to Jeff you the
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rights remain silent anything you say can will be used against you in the court of law you have the right to talk
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to the lawyer for advice before he question you if you cannot afford to hire a lawyer and you want one a lawyer
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will be a provider for you if you decide to answer questions now that lawyer president you'll still have the right to
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stop answer questions any time does that make sense you probably heard these before haven't you these three points
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are incredibly important and are often overlooked by the average citizen due to the Panic of being arrested in the first
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place alongside this because of how much we hear these lines in media such as police shows and movies most people
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completely glaze over it when they're being read these rights and fail to take into account that they're actually being
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provided with useful information that allows you to stay safe and protected while in police custody what this
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detective didn't mention though is that if you ask for a lawyer while under arrest they are not allowed to continue
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questioning and you have a complete unquestionable right to refuse to answer any questions they may ask until you're
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provided with an attorney the detective also ends the rights with a snide remark
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about Jeff's past meant to subconsciously remind him that he is a previously convicted criminal do you
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understand your rights do you understand your rights Jeff yes or no you understand we're
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getting paid more than you are so we can sit here for a long time man I just need
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you to answer me yes or no do you understand your eyes let's get through that question do you understand what I
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read you do you comprehend what I read you Jeff has been explicitly told he has the right to remain silent so that's
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exactly what he's deciding to do right here the leading detective leans back in his chair This was meant to show that
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he's unconcerned with Jeff's silence and that he can stay there as long as necessary but body language like this
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usually indicates some form of unrest it's clear that the detective knows that this is going to be a tricky few hours
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for them if you got something that says you didn't do this robbery this is your chance to talk to
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us okay good C uh no usually I'm the prick you look like the brick I am if it's dominance
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we're talking about Jeff just took everything the cops had and dumped it in that garbage can I'm not asking if you
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want to talk to me at this point I just want to know do you understand what I read to you that's all am I under arest
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yes you're under arrest get me back to the cell I don't talk to you [ __ ] okay enough in this first
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round of interrogation Jeff exhibited exactly the correct Behavior given his current circumstances he knows the cops
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have nothing on him they wouldn't be there talking to him in the first place if they did so he stays silent and so
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it's off back to his cell he goes but 2 hours later he's brought back to the same room for round
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two you want to Coke [Music] yeah you going me pop it open or you need me too yeah I need methodone you need methodone
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yeah you you have method I don't have any do you have a medication for it or I mean a prescription for
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it what do you need methodone for cuz I'm a [ __ ] junkie and you guys I can't get no me I'm going go through
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withdraw here a minute a can of soda is all Jeff requested before he returned to
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the interrogation room but he immediately mentions the withdrawals that he's likely already starting to
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feel however methadone the drug Jeff asked for at the start of this conversation can be used to
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significantly reduce the effects of the withdrawal it can even reduce the Cravings he's also probably been
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experiencing for the entire time he's been in police custody how long you been using heroin long time buddy 10 years 15
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years I hardly been alive that long what are you trying to talk to me about here
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talk to you about what happened last night look here's the deal either you're in a bad bad set of circumstances or you
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went committed an armed robbery last night yeah I'm in a shitty uh wrong place at wrong time obviously I didn't
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commit no [ __ ] armed robbery all right then let's talk about this I don't have nothing I don't talk to the police
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man Jeff is clearly through with the personal talk and wants to get back to the matter at hand in his eyes he's been
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arrested for something he didn't do and wants to get out of there as quickly as possible okay I've been through the
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system buddy I know how it works you I know you have you're not my friend I'm not your friend you're trying to [ __ ]
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get me you're trying all you're trying to get is some [ __ ] stupid ass [ __ ] confession and you're not going
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to get one Jeff I'm not going to get a confession out of you for nothing exactly because I didn't do nothing
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trying to get a confession out of you okay I'm going to tell you I ain't commit no armed robbery and y'all ain't
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got no [ __ ] evidence saying I did let me go all you did is find me sitting in my buddy's house cuz my [ __ ] Buddy's
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dogs going ape [ __ ] I go outside there are comps everywhere and they Spotlight
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me they say come here I say what's up they search me they ain't find nothing what's up let me read this no cuz I'm
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not going to sign it you don't have to sign it but let me read it for you okay I'm not signing nothing you don't have
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to sign it the irony of this cop saying he's not trying to get Jeff while he has
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him handcuffed in an interrogation room questioning him is very amusing but even
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through all this every part of what Jeff said here is so perfect it almost sounds
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rehearsed it's an incredible display of personal legal defense and is even more impressive when you layer it with the
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fact that Jeff is almost definitely starting to experience withdrawals I also want to highlight the point Jeff
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made about how cops are simply trying to force a confession out of him one of the
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main techniques used in these interrogations is the read technique developed by a former cop and
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psychologist in the 1960s after he extracted a confession from a man accused of murdering his own wife the
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technique consists of nine steps beginning with a polite discussion about why the suspect is being accused of the
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crime followed by using certain body language and actions within the interrogation as a display of guilt the
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method ends with offering the suspect two alternative statements they can agree with one of which is slightly more
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acceptable than the other But whichever is chosen admits guilt and is counted as
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a confession this method forces the suspect into a corner and is exceedingly good at extracting false confessions
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from innocent suspects and fact the original case that technique was formed around fell apart after discovering that
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the man in fact did not kill his wife and was tricked into giving a false confession absolutely Next Level
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gaslighting tell me what happened last night plain and simple your your side of the story I'm not talking to you
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I all right this is what I don't understand I know but this is what I don't understand
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Jeff you were sitting there talking just like you're ready to sit here and tell me what happened last
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night and then all of a sudden I read that to you and just screw it I ain't talking to you I want a lawyer I don't
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understand that what what changed just in cuz I told you what I already told you what happened you didn't how didn't
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I you didn't tell me what happened last night how didn't I just tell you what but now you've handcuffed me and I can't
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talk to you because you've asked for an attorney so okay that's fine but I will tell you right now you're still on a
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hold for a robbery I know I don't know why I need a [ __ ] lawyer because uh obviously didn't do nothing and
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obviously you guys know I didn't do nothing because I've been arrested for the same [ __ ] before and you guys
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don't interview me this much so wham bam thank you for the coke put me back in a
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sell my interviewed you yet Jeff has now asked for a lawyer and is once again refusing to answer questions but we're
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only halfway through this footage and Jeff's ability to defend himself and completely destroy this cop only gets
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better from here here's what the deal is I have enough evidence like what of the
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armed robbery okay but you know if if you're saying you didn't do it you need to give me your
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side of the story I didn't do it okay well give me your side of the story you got mean convince me because I got a lot
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of evidence I got a lot of physical evidence like what name why don't need why should I tell you there this is
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where the detective starts to become desperate he knows he's running out of time and so has completely abandoned any
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elaborate techniques or methods to try and get information out of him he's now instead moved on to essentially just
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threatening him with false claims of evidence that he can easily use to convict Jeff if all of this was true
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he'd likely be trying to use it to intimidate Jeff into panicking and giving up more information but instead
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he uses a flimsy rhetoric claiming that because Jeff hasn't helped him he won't help Jeff there's only a couple pieces
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of evidence I'm missing not even What's that name why why I need to do that you haven't helped me out at all you give me
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a little bit I give you a little bit we go back and forth I give you one of my piece of evidence Now give me a little
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something all right what time you get over to Aaron's house you know I know anything I say
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here can and will be used against me sure but anything you say here I can also tell your your parole officer that
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you helped me out it do mean b now the detective is desperately trying to bargain with Jeff if he helps the cops
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out they'll put in a good word with his parole officer but Jeff immediately realizes that means absolutely nothing
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what does a gold star mean if you're stuck in prison for 20 years this further enforces the idea that cops have
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absolutely nothing to convict Jeff with and also shows that they know they're running out of time Jeff has asked for a
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lawyer yet they're still sitting there questioning him as if that's not a blatant violation of the rights that
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they have read to Jeff on three separate occasions they know that if they don't get anything out of him soon their time
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will run out and Jeff is watching the clock closely for the next 4 minutes of the interrogation Jeff continues to deny
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and combat anything the police say to him they bring up the gun that he was found with continue to try and strike a
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deal and even try to scare him by taunting him with what being back in prison would be like and without any of
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the drugs he's grown in dependency to but throughout all of this Jeff stays totally stone-faced he knows he's almost
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one I'm done man [ __ ] this I'm not even answering all this [ __ ] that I just said
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is going to be [ __ ] written in the discovery now right what you haven't said nothing I mean every little stupid
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thing that you've asked me dude is going to be in the discovery I'm not going to
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do Discovery who the prosecutor is okay I mean you you halfway know the system how things work you halfway don't
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am I right I half ass know that the only reason I came up here is to get a [ __ ] Coke okay and I got it but now I
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want a butter figer but that's not going to happen for a while what the butter figer why
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[Music] not I need to go to hospital I'm cing up blood yeah let's go for the last few hours the
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police have been questioning a man who is clearly in pain denying him access to the legal prescription drug that would
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help him deal with his issues and questioning him repeatedly on a crime for which they have no evidence for all
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the while Jeff dealt with this as casually as possible asking for sodas and chocolate bars Jeff knew misspeaking
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at any point could lead him down a slippery slope so he exerted his rights in the perfect way and 12 hours later
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it's recorded that he was released from custody and sent on his merry way it's also reported that from here Jeff began
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to turn his life around he's off heroin and now spends his time uploading to the
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same YouTube channel the footage from this video was uploaded to He makes music and even gives extra tips on how
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to avoid the police's tricks

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Episode Highlights

  • Jeff Pearson's Defiance
    In a tense interrogation, Jeff Pearson refuses to confess to a crime he didn't commit.
    “You're not my friend, all you're trying to get is some stupid ass confession.”
    @ 00m 05s
    January 21, 2023
  • A Cult Figure Emerges
    Jeff's interrogation becomes legendary, showcasing his resilience and wit.
    “This is what happens when the suspect outsmarts the cop.”
    @ 01m 03s
    January 21, 2023
  • The Art of Interrogation
    Jeff showcases his knowledge of police tactics, refusing to be manipulated.
    “I know how it works, you guys are trying to get me.”
    @ 07m 55s
    January 21, 2023

Episode Quotes

  • You're not my friend, all you're trying to get is some stupid ass confession.
    When The Suspect Is Smarter Than The Detective
  • I didn't do nothing.
    When The Suspect Is Smarter Than The Detective
  • I know how it works, you guys are trying to get me.
    When The Suspect Is Smarter Than The Detective
  • I'm not signing nothing.
    When The Suspect Is Smarter Than The Detective
  • What does a gold star mean if you're stuck in prison for 20 years?
    When The Suspect Is Smarter Than The Detective

Key Moments

  • Armed Robbery Report00:18
  • Suspect Found00:25
  • Interrogation Begins00:37
  • Jeff's Withdrawal06:28
  • Lawyer Request11:16

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