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13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone

May 30, 2026 / 59:27

This episode discusses the chilling murder case of Sheila Tenpenney, allegedly committed by 13-year-old Levi Cart, who had a fascination with true crime. The investigation reveals Levi's obsession with serial killers, leading to a shocking confession and the discovery of evidence linking him to the crime.

Detectives initially suspect Sheila's brother Daryl, but as the investigation unfolds, they turn their focus to Levi and his twin brother Hunter. The episode highlights the boys' unusual behavior and the police's growing suspicions as they uncover disturbing evidence in Levi's bedroom.

Key discussions include the police's tactics during the investigation, the twins' interactions with detectives, and the eventual discovery of incriminating evidence, such as a watch belonging to Levi found at the crime scene. The episode culminates in Levi's guilty plea and the implications of juvenile sentencing.

Throughout the episode, the emotional impact on the families involved is evident, as well as the community's shock at the crime committed by such young individuals.

The episode concludes with a teaser for the next case, involving a hospital shooting, leaving listeners with a sense of anticipation.

TLDR

A 13-year-old boy, Levi Cart, commits a shocking murder, leading to a tense investigation and eventual guilty plea.

Episode

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How are you? >> Oh, you're coming out. [laughter] >> What you editing? >> Uh, I was editing Dexter.
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>> What do you guys suspect or what do you guys know about what happened? >> Police are speaking with 13-year-old
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Hunter and his twin brother Levi. And while they appear clueless now, one of them has just committed a gruesome
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murder. We need to talk to uh essentially each of you and we're wondering if we can go down to the
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police department. >> I don't know what's going on. Neither do I. >> As the weeksl long investigation
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continues, detectives discover that these are no ordinary boys. One of them has spent years obsessively researching
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serial killers like Ted Bundy. Now he believes he's executed the perfect murder and can outsmart police. But a
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series of childish mistakes would cause his violent fantasies to slowly come to light, leaving his family and the entire
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town in utter shock as the monster they feared turns out to be a 13-year-old boy.
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>> Find that fool. >> Yes. And he needs to die. >> It's not plausible. There has to be
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someone who flooded evidence. What happens now? He's only 13. >> That there's two types of people in this
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world. You've got monsters. You've got people who make mistakes. If it was a murder, then it would be a monster,
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right? >> It's 2:00 a.m. in the small village of Fairfax, Ohio, and tonight, a 13-year-old boy decides this is the
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night he becomes a serial killer. For years, he's been obsessed with true crime content. And with his family
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preparing to move away the following week, he's finally ready to put everything he's learned into action.
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At 2:30 a.m., he slips out of his house and walks less than 10 ft to his neighbor's house next door. Once inside,
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the 13-year-old [music] puts on a pair of gloves, something he learned on YouTube that would prevent him from
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leaving behind his DNA. He moves silently through the house before approaching the bedroom of an elderly
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woman. At 2:40, he begins strangling her. But despite months of preparation, he quickly realizes [music] this will be
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far more difficult than he expected. Because when the woman wakes up, she fights back, punching and brutally
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scratching the boy's face. But just minutes later, the woman is dead. Killed at the hands of a little boy. At 3:15
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a.m., he's back in his own bed, as if nothing ever happened. It's just past 11:00 a.m. on a Sunday.
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Many Fairfax residents are returning home from church when the Fairfax police receive a 911 call unlike anything
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they've heard in years. >> 911. What's the location of your emergency? >> Uh 3919
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Germaine. I think my sisters might have been murdered and it might be some blood. I I don't know. She did not
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respond when I yelled at her. >> All right, sir. I have help coming out there for her. Okay. Do you know that
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you might want to harm her or anything like that? >> Absolutely nobody. >> On the line is 61-year-old Daryl
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Tenpenney, insisting his sister had been murdered, something almost unheard of in
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this area. Moments later, first responders arrive at the house, unaware they are not only walking into a
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carefully [music] staged crime scene, but that the killer is still nearby, watching police's every move. [snorts]
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Yeah, we'll go ahead and get it out. We'll duplicate this confirmation stuff here. Is this confirmed? Hey, I don't
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know if he believes this has been murdered. So, camera on. It's almost been on since I hit the
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line. Hold trigger. Just try to touch as least as you guys can. Do what you guys got to do.
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>> Yeah. No, I see you have blood. >> Did he Did he cover her up? >> I don't know.
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>> The cat the dispatch said that he found her with a pillow over top of her. >> I don't know about peroxide and cleaning
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chemicals. >> That's different. >> A lot of cleaning chemicals. >> Bismol. She drink it.
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>> I I don't know. >> Well, let me go. You want You want the monitor? >> We have rigger. On the bed lies
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64year-old Sheila Tenpenney, partially clothed and deceased for what appears to have been several hours. As officers
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continue [music] to inspect the house, they notice nothing appears to be stolen, supporting their working theory
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that Sheila may have taken her own life. And with that assumption comes the first
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accidental success for the 13-year-old killer, convincing him he's already outsmarted the police. However, what
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officers spot next would flip this theory upside down. >> It's just a it's a female DOA
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undermania. Just kind of odd all over her face and some chemical. >> Blood and hair underneath your fingers.
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>> Blood splatter around the bed. The guy that found her said the door was open and he said that he told the squad that
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he thinks she was murdered. >> So, we'll get >> I don't see blood >> from her. >> So, that might not be confirmed.
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Who knows? That's police work. I don't mean to overstep. >> No, you're good. I pills.
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>> Yeah. I mean, it's possible. Yeah. >> While the blood and hair beneath Sheila's fingernails certainly raise
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suspicions, investigators still refuse to rule out the possibility of this being self-inflicted. But before they
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send Sheila's body for autopsy, there's still [music] something that doesn't sit
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right with them. They're baffled by how certain the victim's brother, Daryl, seemed that his sister had been
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assaulted before paramedics had even suggested that possibility. And with that statement alone, he has unknowingly
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made himself their first suspect. So, they decide to ask him a few questions. How you doing, sir?
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>> Oh, I mean, obviously not great. Um, I'm officer War Fair Police Department. When's the last time that you that you
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do you know [music] yesterday? >> Yesterday. Do you know what time about or you talk to? Did you talk to her or
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is this here? I seen her and actually 7:09 p.m. is the last message I got from her. Is there any Was there anything
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that is she was she struggling with anything? I mean mentally, physically? >> No. Nothing at all? No,
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>> she's pretty. >> Okay. Okay. So, you made a comment to these guys when they first got here that
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you thought like she first she well she was laying on the bed with her legs spread and it looked like there was
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blood and her head was had stuff on top of like they someone tried to splut her and she and she looked like they ripped
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her thing open and I yelled at her and she and I didn't see no movement from her whatsoever and I just turned around
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and walked out. I I like it. I >> Interestingly, Daryl never mentions performing CPR. And [music] while police
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now know it likely wouldn't have saved Sheila, that's not something Daryl would have known for sure. And right here
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comes the second lucky break for the teen killer because every good murder needs a fall guy. And the police have
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just taken the bait with Daryl. Shortly afterwards, Daryl's interview wraps up, the scene is secured, and
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officers return to the station to await the autopsy results. But as investigators leave the house, they
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would overlook a crucial piece of evidence. Lying beneath Sheila Ten Penneyy's body was a men's wristwatch, a
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seemingly insignificant detail that would later become one of the key pieces of evidence used to solve the entire
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case. One week passes and then comes the update investigators have been waiting for. The forensic and DNA results
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arrive, completely overturning their initial assumptions. Investigators determined that Sheila Tenpenney had
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suffered blunt force trauma to the head and neck before ultimately being strangled to death. But they also
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confirmed something crucial. Sheila had managed to fight back. On her hands and beneath her fingernails are traces of
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blood and toughs of hair. DNA belonging to an unknown male. With these disturbing findings, there is no longer
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any question. This is a homicide. So, early Monday morning, officers returned to the neighborhood, going
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doortodoor in search of anyone Sheila may have wronged and anyone with fresh defensive wounds. But in reality, the
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detectives couldn't be more off track. While the young killer quietly brags about the murder online, growing more
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confident by the hour, knowing the victim had absolutely no enemies. [music] And as police begin surveying
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the neighborhood, they have no idea which interaction will bring them face to face with Sheila's killer. So, you're
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one of the trusted family members. What we're doing is getting elimination DNA from anybody we talk to as long as
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you're willing. Thank you very much. And then how about your hand? Just let me double check your hands. cuz I know you
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work with them on the air side. Yeah, that's great. >> I can't believe they haven't got a lead
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or anything. >> Uh there's a lot going on, I'll say. Um so this is just part of the process.
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>> Here's my card before I forget in case you have anything else or [music] >> need to reach out. I uh email and phone
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numbers on there. >> Find that full and he needs to die. >> Yeah. Um >> capital punishment.
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>> Well, I wish we did that more often to be honest with you. So >> I mean, you know, if he gets out, he
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going to do it again. And you you can't you don't fix that. Yeah, >> you don't fix that.
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>> I agree. >> Okay, you're good there. I'm going come up here soon. I know this is a pain in
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the ass, man. But I definitely appreciate it. >> So, you guys think this is a random
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thing or >> uh I want to say no. I I do. >> Well, but from what I've heard, you know, the guy down in that new house
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over there and a couple others, I've been out here having my cigarette. I hear >> I think the brother did. They're going
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to arrest him in a couple three days. I'm like, what? >> They think the brother did it, huh?
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>> No. >> Why? Any any reason why they think that? >> I don't know. >> That's just a speculation right now.
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>> That's interesting. >> After speaking with more than a dozen people, officers uncover a major new
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rumor. Many in the village suspect Sheila's own brother, Daryl, is responsible. With this as their only
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real lead, another team of officers led by special agent Richard Ward makes a surprise visit to Daryl's house less
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than a mile away. And for the actual killer, the plan appears to be working even better than he imagined. Suspicion
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has successfully shifted onto Sheila's own family member, pulling detectives completely off his trail as they begin
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focusing in on Daryl. For now though, officers have just arrived at Daryl's house where it would soon become clear
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just how lucky the kid got and why Daryl makes the perfect fall guy. >> I'm still getting a little loss of my
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mother and I have >> I know >> straighten anything out and now this. Now I got more to deal with.
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>> Oh, you weren't lying. >> Yeah. Well, these over here are all these boxes. Where do you hang out at?
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Come in here. >> Oh, >> hey. I need to ask you a favor. Just I want to remember I got you swabs. I need
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you one more thing. Could you just show me your shirt underneath your shirt that
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you don't I just want to make sure I want to satisfy myself. >> I don't think you would ever hurt
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anybody. >> No. >> Okay. Throw your shirt back on. >> So, you have any idea when the funeral
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is going to be? >> They won't release the body yet. >> I don't know. Nobody's contacted us. I
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>> was going to I was going to contact I was going to send you a message this morning to say
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>> we are okay with that because we want this person. >> Suffice it to say, Detective Ward is
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taken aback [music] by Daryl's unusual living situation, but still no scratches. And so the investigation
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takes a step back. There is seemingly no one they can tie to the murder. No enemies, no leads, nothing. But that's
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because they're looking at this crime completely the wrong way. With the investigation at a standstill,
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officers canvasing the area continue knocking on doors until they reach the neighbor directly across the street just
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50 ft from the victim's home. It's one of the homes where no one answered earlier. And as they approach the front
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door, the homeowner, Rebecca, steps outside, unaware that in the next few minutes, her life is about to be turned
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upside down. >> So, I don't know when it actually happened. I know that we saw like the
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trucks on or cars or whatever on Sunday. So, um, and actually Sunday morning at like 6:00 a.m., um, I we had to run to
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the ER because my son, oh, >> the cat, I guess, was sleeping on his face and they startled each other in the
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dark. >> Oh, man. >> And it scratched him and so we were worried that it was could be bad or
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infected and he >> Yeah, he's fine. Okay. >> It wasn't a big deal, but it was just
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like traumatizing and I was like, "Everybody get in the car." Just a few feet away, 13-year-old Levi
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Cart looks through the living room window and notices his mother speaking with police officers. Panicking, he
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pauses the YouTube video he was watching, runs up to his room, and locks the door. Back outside, officers begin
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piecing things together. The boy with fresh scratches across his body could very well be tied to Sheila's murder. In
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a few moments, detectives will step inside to follow up on this lead. But what they will soon find will defy their
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With that said, let's get back to the scene where detectives are about to go inside Rebecca's house. Unknown to them,
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what they're about to find inside will be nothing like they expect. >> Do you care if we come in or you want
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them? Okay. Thank you. >> The only reason we're outside. >> All right. I do have two cats, though.
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So, >> no problem. >> Come on in. >> Hey guys. >> Hello. >> Do you want to do you want to come out
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here or No. >> Why? [snorts] Um, I haven't been really transparent about what they have across the street and
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people who are investigating are talking to everybody and they just want me to talk to everybody who lives.
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>> Hey bud, can I talk to you? >> Do you want to talk in the living room or do you want to talk in your room?
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There are people who are here on the house. Um, something that happened in our tree earlier this week.
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>> What game are you playing over there? >> Is he gaming? >> Yeah, he is. >> Dexter.
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>> Oh, [laughter] he's uh he's cap cutting. >> Oh, hi. >> Oh, and this is cool. >> Now you are Hunter. Hunter.
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>> You want to come sit down? >> Naturally, this is not the suspect the detectives were hoping to see. As
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13-year-old Hunter Cart enters the room, realizing they may have jumped to conclusions, the detectives still begin
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to question the boy. Perhaps he knows something after all. >> Um, so we're have your criminal
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investigation and we're just talking to people to see if they might have heard or seen anything unusual that happened
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over the weekend. >> Um, no. Uh, >> sorry. >> Would you stop me to ask? >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Um, my brother got into an injury and he had to go to the ER. >> I got really sick and started vomiting
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and stuff. >> So, >> how are you feeling? >> A lot better. But >> that's good. >> That whole day was just kind of a blur
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for everybody. Unless it's something that happened a long time ago that's memorable. It's not really something I
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remember unless it like is really really brought up. Although Hunter is unable to
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provide any new details, he seems fairly cooperative and willing to help. His twin brother, Levi, on the other hand,
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is still in his room, refusing to come out. Earlier, their mother had mentioned Levi was editing Dexter, [music]
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a crime drama centered around a vigilante serial killer, a show both detectives are all too familiar with.
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And it's here the detectives would begin to realize their initial hunch about Rebecca's sons may not have been a
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coincidence after all. >> Yeah, it's usually never quick, but that's actually pretty quick.
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>> How are you now? >> Oh, you're coming out. [laughter] >> What you editing? >> Uh, I was editing Dexter. Sometimes I
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edit. >> Yeah, >> but >> he likes to make uh videos for Tik Tok, but >> Oh, yeah.
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>> Oh, nice. >> Is that the cat that got you there on the nose? >> I don't know. I don't know what
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happened. We just >> we both startled each other cuz my bed was right there. >> Yeah. His bed was out here
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>> and >> until all the lights were off. >> Okay. >> Uh so we've been knowing for a while
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that we needed to uh that we needed to cut their nails. Hunter's been saying that for a long time. I felt so guilty
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when I had >> So, us moving, I mean, we know, everybody knows that cats just are
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awkward. So, us moving, uh, Marshmallow being weird because we're moving. And >> is Marshmallow the cat?
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>> Yes. And >> we had a uh like a play set for them >> and they we uh packed it up. So, that's
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also probably another thing. So yeah, me and him [music] just randomly saw each other. Uh he scraped me on the neck. I'm
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not sure if you can see. >> Okay. Where else did you get it? >> Uh he kind of scraped me on my face a
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little bit. >> Five. >> Uh and then mainly my nose >> and I was trying to clean Yeah. I was
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trying to clean myself up. >> Yeah. Five stitches. >> It was pretty deep. >> Pretty deep.
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>> Uh nose there. We went back to the house after the we got out of the doctor. >> Mhm.
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>> And then that's when we saw the ambulances. I don't know. A lot of it's a blur because I tried to clean myself
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up. So I was distracted in the shower. >> Okay. >> Interestingly, both brothers use the
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same word blur when recalling the incident. And while traumatic events, even something like death of a neighbor,
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can affect memory, what catches officers attention far more is the way Levi seems
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to overexlain what happened. [music] He claims the deep scratches came from a fight with a house cat. Something
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officers find difficult to believe given the severity of the wounds. So with this
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in mind, detectives believe that despite their young age, the brothers have given
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them enough probable cause to take the next step. The detectives ask to speak with Rebecca
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outside for a moment where they request permission to collect DNA from both of her sons. Without much hesitation, she
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agrees. But when the three of them return, one of the brothers would have a very different reaction to being tested.
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>> Do you mind if I come? I can explain it to you. Um, >> yeah. He's feeling a little overwhelmed
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by this. So, >> yeah. I just feel like I don't I've been to enough doctors recently. I don't want
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to. So, the Have you seen any like crime shows or anything? You know how how we kind of do our job. The medical stuff's
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a little different than the law enforcement stuff, but um I don't know if she explained to you, but we're just
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going to swab your cheek and it's not going to go into any database or anything, but we're going to compare it
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against stuff that we have. That makes sense. >> Okay. >> And it will take 2 seconds. It's just
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you don't have to do anything. >> [clears throat] >> But obviously we're asking everybody on
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the street and uh it would be super helpful if you could >> Okay. >> And you're Levi, right? Or you go
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>> by Louis. >> Louis. Okay. >> It'll be easier if you sit down >> for your legs. [music]
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I don't have to do it first. >> I can do it first. I'll show you guys. I can be the guinea pig, too. It's what
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I do that all the way. The detectives proceed to take DNA swabs from both brothers, though Hunter and Rebecca are
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clearly far more willing to cooperate than Levi. But what one of the brothers doesn't seem to realize is that the more
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he talks, the more the Cart brothers begin to look less like witnesses and more like suspects.
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>> Louis has a few scars on his back, but it's just from my >> Oh, yeah. You could show them. Sorry.
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>> Oh, yeah. >> It looks pretty mentally evasive. It was two years ago. Um, >> yeah, it was a lot.
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>> It didn't look like that. >> I keep mentioning things [snorts] without your permission.
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>> How does it feel to have any scars? >> Dr. Stevenson, it's where they go in and
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they >> How does it feel to have nerve root that links to your leg? >> What do you guys suspect or what do you
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guys know about what happened? >> Well, I can tell you this. it shouldn't have happened and we need to figure out
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why it happened so that you [clears throat] know hopefully we can keep it from happening again because
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we'd hate to miss some evidence and if you've watched any TV we don't want to be those cops that forgot to do this or
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look into that >> plenty watching the true crimes kind of >> but it's a lot differently
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>> me and my brother especially my brother know a lot I would say definitely my brother knows a lot about um
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just the police in general. Um >> he wants to go into the Marines when he gets older.
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>> Oh, nice. >> Well, recruitment >> is always there. Everybody's looking for >> Yeah,
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>> those are hard spots to fill anymore. >> I don't get >> Yeah, there's there's a spot for
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everybody in my opinion. >> Me and Louis have both agreed that him especially is a lot more mature than
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most kids our age. Oh, so you can handle this news? >> You guys are handling it pretty well.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Strangely, Hunter continues offering interesting details without being
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prompted, insisting that the teen brothers are far more mature than most kids their age. And when he brings up
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Levi's injuries, Levi becomes visibly uncomfortable, giving his brother a long, chilling stare. By the end of the
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interview, the twins no longer seem like ordinary kids to [music] the detectives.
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Their fascination with true crime, gory shows like Dexter, foggy memory, and of course, the [music] hard to explain cat
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scratches on Levi all point towards something deeply unsettling. With DNA collected, investigators return to the
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station to brief the sergeant on everything they've uncovered. Now all they can do is wait for the DNA results
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from Daryl, the Cart Twins, and several neighbors and family friends to come back the following day. Still believing
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a deranged killer may be at work, investigators know that until he or they are caught, no one in this quiet village
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is truly safe. The next day, the DNA results finally come in, and investigators are stunned.
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Both of Rebecca's sons are a match, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were both at the scene. According to the
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forensic analyst, the lab cannot tell Levi's DNA apart from Hunters because identical twins share the same STR
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markers. Needless to say, investigators are now facing an extraordinarily rare problem. But even with these findings,
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detectives struggle to process the fact that the suspects are only 13 years old.
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Not only would they have to be deeply disturbed, but they would also need the physical strength to carry out a crime
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this violent. Then again, their age could also work in the investigator's favor. Teenagers are more likely to slip
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up, confess to friends or family, or leave evidence of their actions somewhere online. The problem is,
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detectives have enough probable cause for a search warrant, but not enough to formally detain Rebecca or either
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brother, something they absolutely cannot let the family realize. Nevertheless, they return to the family
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home, hoping they can persuade Rebecca to bring her sons to the station, allowing investigators to begin
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searching the house the moment they leave. But the situation is incredibly delicate. One wrong move could spook the
00:26:20
family and shut down the entire investigation. >> Hello back. >> Hi, we're back. Yeah.
00:26:27
>> How are you? I was >> You left your keys in the door. >> We just walked in the house.
00:26:32
>> Uh do you need to come in? What's going on? >> Yeah, that'd be great. We have a couple
00:26:36
things to talk about. >> Okay. >> Hi guys. >> We just sat down to eat. What did >> you guys get?
00:26:43
>> Thanks. >> Um, do you just need me or? >> Yeah. >> So, um, >> are all three of you here?
00:26:49
>> Are all three of you here? >> Yeah. >> You going need to be nervous? >> It's making me feel nervous.
00:26:59
>> Relax. You're okay. >> You're good. Yeah. You want to take a seat somewhere? Yeah.
00:27:04
Okay. >> It's okay. You want to go sit down so it's a little less weird? >> Yeah. Come on in. Just relax.
00:27:14
>> Yeah, you guys are good. >> Okay. Do you guys want to sit down here? You feel more comfortable?
00:27:20
>> Hey, Louis. >> Sure. >> Did you get kings, too? >> Yes. We literally just walked in the
00:27:25
door >> here. We need to talk to uh essentially each of you. >> And we're wondering if we can go down to
00:27:31
the police department. Uh just we have a a better area to talk. >> Okay. >> Okay.
00:27:37
>> So, if you guys want, let's uh put some shoes and socks on, maybe a coat, and
00:27:42
then uh we'll head head that way. >> Clearly, detectives didn't arrive with a strong plan and are instead relying
00:27:49
heavily on improvisation. Somehow though, despite not having their answers fully prepared, they appear to be
00:27:56
succeeding in getting the family to the station voluntarily. But that can only work for so long before someone catches
00:28:02
on. >> Uh, do we need to be getting lawyers or something? I'm feeling >> nervous about this. I don't
00:28:12
>> You're welcome to call an attorney. Um, >> also um like do we have to go? Is this like right now thing or is
00:28:23
>> we would like you to it would make Yeah. >> You don't have to do anything I suppose.
00:28:30
>> Right. Okay. >> I don't know. I feel uncomfortable. I'm not >> We could How about we we get there, we
00:28:37
can explain kind of what's going on, give you some more info. You can always, you know.
00:28:41
>> Okay. Well, do you want us what's going on before we head out there? And >> uh Do you mind if we do that outside?
00:28:46
>> Sure. >> Sure. >> Do you guys want to wait a second? Is that what you mean? Oh,
00:28:50
>> all three of you outside if if possible. >> Okay. We just need to we need to go over
00:28:55
some things in the neighborhood with you, ma'am. We could go back up here so we don't have to sit in the rain.
00:28:59
>> Yeah. >> And we got some some pictures I want to show you and I'll show you and your sons
00:29:05
and there's a bunch of stuff we want to talk to you about. So, >> all right. You guys good?
00:29:11
>> Are we under suspicion for something or >> We just want to talk to you. I think you
00:29:16
guys could help us clear a lot of things up around here. So, >> okay. >> All right. All right. Let's go.
00:29:25
>> Hey, John. Yes, sir. >> And he'll ride with you. >> Okay, that that works. >> All right. Before we get I just got to
00:29:35
make sure there's nothing on you that's going to stick me, poke me, cut me. Yep.
00:29:38
All right. Actually, if you want to step over there to him right there. >> All right. You can just have a seat
00:29:43
right there for me. Yeah. Do we have to put this on you for the >> whole three blocks we're driving?
00:29:58
>> Probably. So, I mean, but there's nothing that we can't talk about. >> Yeah. I don't know what's going on.
00:30:06
>> Neither do I. >> All very, very unexpected. >> My anxiety levels went through the roof.
00:30:16
Oh, >> I don't know why there's so many like police vehicles either. >> Yeah, [clears throat] that's definitely
00:30:22
what scared me. >> Seeing all the cops immediately pull up. Like one person's there, didn't see that
00:30:29
other cop got pull up and then >> I was just like, >> why are they What's the reason?
00:30:34
>> I'm sure I don't know. Maybe it's an intimidation tactic, >> I guess. But what are they trying to
00:30:40
intimidate us? Right. Miraculously, despite the detective's sloppy handling of the situation and
00:30:46
Rebecca's growing skepticism, they still managed to convince the family to come to the station. For now, they've
00:30:52
purposely [music] kept the twins together, hoping the cameras might catch something incriminating. But the
00:30:57
brothers have seen this tactic [music] before and say nothing, foolishly convinced they're outsmarting the
00:31:03
police. Investigators have also just confiscated their phones and obtained house keys from Rebecca, allowing them
00:31:09
to begin searching the home for any evidence tying the boys to the crime. But despite these small victories, this
00:31:15
is where detectives would face a major reality check about their strategy. Upon arriving at the station, the twins
00:31:23
are quietly escorted through a separate entrance and separated from their mother. The twins don't seem
00:31:29
particularly worried, calmly following detectives into the interrogation rooms. But for Rebecca, the situation is very
00:31:37
different because the moment she's finally informed that her sons are about to be questioned without her present,
00:31:44
all hell breaks loose. >> I don't want food. I want our lawyer and have my children stop being questioned
00:31:53
without a lawyer present immediately. Okay. >> So, let's make that happen. >> I don't know who you know who's doing
00:32:00
what wire. >> Nope. But I can uh >> go get that figured out for you. We need to have them right now. Okay. Yeah.
00:32:05
Okay. >> I got it. >> My slippers. We just got home from the doctor's office. >> So comfy.
00:32:12
>> They are comfy on Amazon. >> Not uh Yeah. >> On Amazon. People are so against them.
00:32:17
>> Really? I know you're being friendly. I need to know that my children are not
00:32:22
being questioned now that they have a lawyer. You didn't let us know that we're being detained.
00:32:26
>> You're not being detained. You're free to go. >> No, you didn't let us know that you were
00:32:30
detaining my children. >> They're free to leave. >> You did not right now. They're allowed
00:32:35
to leave right now. Let's go right now. Right now. You said they're allowed to leave. Yes or no?
00:32:44
>> You cannot take them. >> Clearly, this is not how detectives hoped things would go. Rebecca is
00:32:51
furious, and not without reason. The detective just admitted that the boys are free to leave, yet does nothing when
00:32:59
Rebecca demands exactly that. On top of that, her phone has been confiscated, making it impossible for her to even
00:33:06
call the lawyer. It's here that the risk behind the detective's strategy, or lack
00:33:11
thereof, becomes impossible to ignore. The advantage of this approach is that by withholding the real reason the boys
00:33:18
are there, detectives limit the information the suspects can tailor their stories to, making contradictions
00:33:24
and inconsistencies much easier to catch later. That said, when those suspects are minors and detectives need their
00:33:31
mother's cooperation, [music] this strategy can quickly backfire, undermining trust and damaging the
00:33:37
legitimacy of the entire process. And unsurprisingly, Rebecca's outrage is only beginning as she storms out of the
00:33:44
interrogation room in search of anyone willing to tell her what's really going on.
00:33:49
>> Are you accusing them of murder? >> I don't know. >> Is that why they're being detained?
00:33:55
Because they're under suspicion for murder. >> They're questioning to find out if they
00:33:58
know any additional details. >> How would they know anything unless you were accusing them of murder and you
00:34:04
think that they murdered someone? So that's >> I'm saying this whole charade, this
00:34:09
whole the way we've gone about this and approached it and slowly showed things to me because I've asked questions and
00:34:16
not because you are transparent is not okay. It literally just says we have the ability to search all of your
00:34:24
belongings. It doesn't say for what reason would they want to search the >> It says for murder
00:34:30
>> because we're investigating the murder of the neighbor. >> Yeah. And my 13-year-olds have not
00:34:34
murdered any. >> Okay. Well, we're trying to find further information that was dissolved yesterday
00:34:39
to put the pieces together. >> So, I'm not going to be told anything. >> Why am I not being questioned?
00:34:53
>> We would love to talk to you if you would be willing to talk. >> I'm literally standing here waiting.
00:34:57
>> Well, we were trying to talk to you, but you want to make phone calls and do all
00:35:00
those things. If you'd like to talk, we can talk. You're well aware >> I'm fake.
00:35:06
>> Fake. >> So >> a lot and nothing because they're not telling me anything. >> Well, I would assume because
00:35:15
>> I asked for a lawyer for the boys. He's saying because we talked yesterday. >> I'm asking him.
00:35:21
>> Sorry. I'm really worked up. I No, I understand. I understand. You have every
00:35:25
right to be worked up. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to sort it out. >> All right. I'll let you.
00:35:28
>> So, under under what grounds are they being questioned? What prompted them? There was a happened across the street.
00:35:32
>> I understand that. But what what specifically about our boys is causing you guys to bring them to the station
00:35:38
for questioning? >> Those details I don't know because those investigators know more about that than
00:35:43
I do. >> Um, >> are there other are you guys bringing in every neighbor to >> We did 25 yesterday. I know myself and
00:35:51
another agent >> in to the station. >> Well, I don't know how many people got brought here. Um, this is we're also
00:35:57
doing a search warrant at the house, too. So, a judge has granted us >> search warrant for her house and who
00:36:02
else? >> Well, the the search warrant is for the house and the vehicle on the property.
00:36:07
>> Our house and the vehicle property. [clears throat] >> Were there other search warrants for
00:36:11
otherware? >> You guys are questioning two 13year-old boys. >> Well, we're not. Someone is. You're absolutely correct.
00:36:19
But I don't know. >> You know what I'm saying? I do. >> This is why we need our lawyer down here
00:36:24
now. We need to make this happen. I don't have a phone. So, this needs to happen on your end
00:36:31
immediately, whoever we call. >> After getting little to no answers from the detectives, the twins father calls a
00:36:38
lawyer, hoping he can intervene. But even with legal counsel now on the way, detectives press forward with the
00:36:44
interviews, fully aware of the risk they're taking. At the same time, ever since the boys left with the police, a
00:36:51
search of their home has been underway. And very soon, it will begin yielding crucial evidence for the interrogations.
00:36:59
As both [music] brothers wait for their interrogations to begin, it quickly becomes clear that one of them is about
00:37:05
to be treated very differently. Because Hunter had been significantly more talkative the day before, detectives opt
00:37:11
for a more casual, friendly approach. And even his interrogation room reflects that. Levi, on the other hand, is placed
00:37:18
in a cold, cramped room, subjected to the kind of interrogation tactics typically reserved for an adult suspect.
00:37:25
Based on the scratch marks alone, detectives strongly suspect Levi is the killer. But there is still nothing
00:37:31
ruling out the possibility that Hunter may have helped him, especially after learning that Levi has significant
00:37:36
mobility issues. Now, with a lawyer on the way to the station and two furious parents pacing outside, the clock is
00:37:44
ticking. So, detectives split into two groups to question the boys simultaneously. And as the questioning
00:37:51
begins, Hunter's interview escalates far quicker than expected because there's something he needs to get off his chest.
00:37:58
>> Just so you know, I don't feel pressured doing this. I >> You don't? >> Um, of course, I feel a little pressure, but
00:38:09
I don't feel like I have to sign those. >> Okay. >> I don't know. It's more suspicion is put
00:38:14
on me if I don't answer any questions. So, >> yeah, we're here to talk, ask questions,
00:38:19
get your story. I know you told Lauren a little bit. >> Um, can I say something?
00:38:24
>> Yeah. Uh, I want to say um I don't think my brother would be able to do anything like that. But because
00:38:33
that day he got scratches on his face because of that day he it all seems like a very wide coincidence, you know, cuz
00:38:40
of course his cat was face his fat. His face was scratched by a cat. We talked about it and it certainly looks like
00:38:48
Louis has some like the coincidences are there. At this early stage of the interview,
00:38:56
Hunter, completely unprompted, begins talking about the scratch wounds, which he believes are the most concrete
00:39:03
evidence against his brother. But while he frames it as a coincidence, back at the house, police executing the search
00:39:09
warrant notice something that immediately casts doubt on the story. On Rebecca's bed, they find the family cat,
00:39:15
Marshmallow, sitting completely calm. But more importantly, the cat's claws seem far too small to match the injuries
00:39:24
on Levi. This information is relayed back to detectives at the station where Hunter and Levi are being interviewed.
00:39:30
And while Hunter appears eager to talk, Levi's interview is moving far more slowly. As detectives focus on building
00:39:37
rapport and choosing their words extremely carefully. So, seeing just how much more talkative Hunter is,
00:39:43
investigators keep their focus on him for now, hoping he can offer further insight into his brother or perhaps even
00:39:50
turn on him. >> He He had extra like red scratch marks on his face. I mean, that seems
00:39:58
obviously suspicious, but like I said, I don't think you could do something like
00:40:04
that. I'm going to keep saying this, but this makes me feel really upset because
00:40:08
a lot of evidence is piled up against him, but like I mean, I don't know if you guys suspect
00:40:14
him of anything, but I truly don't believe he he could do anything like that. Even though he has all these things,
00:40:32
>> he's never talked about anything like that with you >> because we agree >> like what
00:40:39
about hurting somebody or when he gets triggered he gets upset and acting out and just saying things or you know I
00:40:46
don't know how he behaves when he's triggered. >> No no like I said um no he doesn't
00:40:50
behave weirdly when triggered. He just doesn't he's just quiet. It's upsetting for him. Like he
00:40:59
started crying when he got back to this house cuz he he said he never gave us an explanation as to
00:41:08
why he's triggered. But >> interestingly, although Hunter describes the suspicious behavior he's noticed
00:41:15
from his brother, he continues to insist that Levi could not actually be responsible for the murder. But
00:41:21
detectives can't tell whether his reaction is genuine or part of a calculated effort to distance himself
00:41:27
from the crime. At this stage though, they're fairly certain Levi is the culprit and decide it's time to stop
00:41:34
speculating and focus on something more concrete. So, they turn to a key piece of evidence Hunter can't deny. Something
00:41:40
they had kept hidden from the twins. A watch recovered from beneath Sheila's body. One investigators initially
00:41:48
dismissed, but now strongly suspect belongs to one of the two boys. And whether he realizes it or not, what he
00:41:55
says next would seal their fate. >> Do you recognize that? >> That's Louis's far. That's Louis's
00:42:02
watch. >> Louis's watch. Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. What do you think about that?
00:42:07
Uh, >> what do you mean about that? Okay. >> Let me widen it out. That's the picture.
00:42:13
What do you think that's a picture of? Try to take some deep breaths in there. >> We don't have any of those links,
00:42:22
>> right? >> It's not your house. >> No, I remember him saying that he lost his watch.
00:42:32
>> And when did he say that? >> After he after he got home. Also, he I'll show you one more.
00:42:46
>> He he sounded he the way he said I don't know where my watch is. I don't feel a
00:42:51
person could say that the a person say it that way knowing that you know they were their watch when
00:43:00
[music] if they did that. >> Are you saying he purposefully >> hurt? >> We don't we don't know what his you know
00:43:11
what his purpose was. We just made a mistake. >> How would he even do that? He's
00:43:18
disabled. >> How would he >> sneak out of the house, get into the house, stab somebody?
00:43:27
Is it true that he that them? >> Is that true? >> We >> Did you find DNA evidence?
00:43:36
>> We're not going to. >> Yeah. So, >> there's no way you would do that. There's some stuff that happened that we
00:43:41
can't give you details about. >> There's no way >> you have. >> There's no way. >> If he
00:43:54
There's no way. It's not plausible. There has to be someone who evidence. There has to be some misunderstanding.
00:44:12
>> At the thought of his own brother being responsible for the murder, Hunter appears to completely break down.
00:44:19
Detectives realize he's now too emotional and overwhelmed to provide any more reliable information. So, they
00:44:25
decide to end the interview. Despite failing to secure a confession and not fully ruling him out as a suspect, still
00:44:33
they've learned something important. More insight into Levi and confirmation that his watch was indeed at the scene.
00:44:41
But just outside the interrogation room, the boy's parents continue arguing with
00:44:46
deputies. And with a lawyer coming to intervene, investigators are running out of time. If they want to secure an
00:44:52
admission before the interview is shut down, they know they need to raise the [music] stakes with Levi. So, the
00:44:58
detectives interviewing him finally move on from building rapport and shifts the
00:45:02
conversation to the scratches, testing whether his explanation matches the one he gave the day before.
00:45:08
>> Do you know what we're investigating? >> M I mean, I know something happened on the
00:45:14
street. >> Across the street? >> Across the street in front of me. >> Right. A woman was murdered, right? So,
00:45:21
we're trying to find out what happened. >> I mean, I've already talked to FBI investigators. My cat had randomly woke
00:45:29
me up uh with all the lights off like sitting on my sitting on my my neck. So it like scratched my face. I felt very
00:45:42
bloody obviously. There was a lot of scratches on me. Usually because my disability as well uh I uh use like a
00:45:52
like a shower chair. >> Yeah. because I can't really stand for that long >> without getting like super fatigued and
00:45:58
falling or walking around too long. I didn't use the shower chair cuz I didn't want to make a bunch of noise and make
00:46:04
anybody up. >> Uh so I ended up literally falling uh and I fell and like hit my head on the
00:46:13
on the shower hose. >> Where'd you hit it at? >> Uh I think like around here like right
00:46:20
here. >> So I I don't know. Does that cause you to bleed more? >> Yes. Yes. >> As Levi once again overexlains the
00:46:30
incident, detectives notice he makes a point of emphasizing that the injuries became worse after he slipped in the
00:46:36
shower. But something else in Levi's account immediately stands out. After mentioning his medical condition,
00:46:42
detectives recall reviewing his records and discovering that Levi has cerebral pulsy. This brings the detectives back
00:46:49
to an earlier question. Not only is Levi just 13 years old, but his disability raises serious doubts about whether he
00:46:57
was even physically capable of carrying out such a violent attack on his own, especially considering Sheila fought
00:47:04
back. Investigators know Hunter is physically stronger, has no disability, and shares many of the same interests in
00:47:11
true crime as his brother Levi. At this point, detectives are realizing they may
00:47:15
have prematurely cleared Hunter, treating him more like a witness than a suspect. and in doing so may have lost
00:47:22
their chance to implicate him. But with the pressure mounting on Levi, this may be the perfect opportunity for him to
00:47:28
turn on his brother. [music] And for the first time during his interview, the bond between the twins is about to be
00:47:35
truly [music] tested. >> We get in and like [clears throat] 15 minutes, 15 minutes later, uh
00:47:44
mom starts seeing a bunch of sirens outside. Uh, and [clears throat] she opens the
00:47:50
window and she's like, "Oh my god, something happened to Denise." And me already in a like a panicked weird
00:47:59
state, I kind of started feeling emotionally triggered. And when she said, "Uh, there was a bunch of
00:48:04
ambulances outside." She or I, uh, I like started to freak out even more. I just felt even worse because mom had
00:48:16
said that something had happened to Denise, our neighbor, right in front of us. >> Um, and I started feeling even worse.
00:48:24
Um, just to the fact that the same night that something happened or something like that had happened that um,
00:48:35
that I had had an injury of my own. >> [clears throat] >> Although Levi never directly blames his
00:48:40
twin brother for the murder, he seems more focused on how bad the situation already looks for him. And as the
00:48:46
interview continues, it would only get worse because detectives begin receiving critical updates from the house search
00:48:53
that is still ongoing. And officers have started uncovering disturbing items. Inside Levi's bedroom, officers recover
00:49:00
a journal containing violent writing and repeated references of wanting to kill someone. They also uncover a growing
00:49:08
obsession with serial killers, books, online content, and material saved focused on infamous murderers, and in
00:49:15
particular, Ted Bundy. Detectives begin to realize this was far more than just a
00:49:21
morbid curiosity. Over time, what began as an interest in true crime had evolved
00:49:26
into something far darker for Levi. And now, detectives are left trying to determine whether this interest in
00:49:33
violence had consumed them both. Because Levi and Hunter are twins, the blood DNA recovered at the scene is
00:49:40
consistent with both of them. Something detectives choose to intentionally keep from Levi. Instead, they plan to tell
00:49:47
him that the DNA points specifically to him, hoping this pressure will make him crack. But if Levi is the criminal
00:49:55
genius he thinks he is, he will easily be able to see through the detective's bluff.
00:50:00
>> So, you said you never been in Denise's house. Never been. Okay. Do you know what DNA is?
00:50:07
>> You ever heard of it? >> I've heard of it. >> Okay. So, we're trying to figure out,
00:50:12
and I want you to help me explain this. Okay. Why your blood would be in Denise's house? That's what we're trying
00:50:20
to figure out. >> Well, I'm not sure cuz I don't know. Like, how is it my blood? Like
00:50:33
>> I That's what we're trying to find out. >> Cuz I don't know. I don't know why it
00:50:37
would be in my house. Her house. >> Yeah. We That's what we're trying to figure out. That's why we're even here
00:50:43
right now. >> Oh, >> remember we got those swabs from you. >> Mhm. >> Well, we compared that to the blood in
00:50:49
the house. And it's not only her blood, it's your blood mixed in with it. >> Wow.
00:50:54
>> Through DNA testing. >> I don't know what explanation I could give you or even come up with.
00:51:01
That would be equivalent to how that would happen. [snorts] >> There's only one person here that knows
00:51:10
and that's you. >> How do you know that? >> Because there's no other way that part
00:51:18
of you can be in that house without you never being in there. >> I can agree with that.
00:51:22
>> Right. So that's why I just need an explanation as to how I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it, you know.
00:51:31
>> Well, I have to wrap my brain around it first. >> Yeah. I So that's we need to wrap around
00:51:36
together. >> Mhm. >> You know, >> can you help me with that? >> I can't if you help me. I can help you
00:51:44
if you help me. >> How do I help you? >> By telling me the truth. >> I told you the truth, though.
00:51:49
>> I don't think you're telling me all the truth. What? But I'm not lying. >> Well, I think you have about how you got
00:51:58
hurt. >> I >> We have your blood in her house and we're trying to figure out how it got there. That's the bottom
00:52:08
line. >> Well, that's the bottom line. I mean, >> get my blood from somewhere. >> We didn't don't need your blood. We got
00:52:15
swabs. >> I just mean like did you did somebody put my blood in that house for a reason?
00:52:20
>> Oh, I don't know. What would you tell me? Would they? >> I didn't put your blood.
00:52:25
>> I don't have any enemies. >> I didn't put your blood there. >> I mean, I'm only 13. I don't know why
00:52:30
anybody would put my blood in a house, but I mean, who knows? >> Is there any more questions you have for
00:52:39
me or like what? >> Well, I just I I want to get past this and we're not getting past it. You don't
00:52:46
know? I don't know. So, we're not resolving anything. Well, I'm not sure if we can resolve it
00:52:52
if I don't know and you don't know. The human. >> I mean, listen, I I wholeheartedly
00:52:58
believe that there's two types of people in this world. You've got monsters and you've got people who make mistakes.
00:53:05
>> I think I disagree with that person. >> Help us explain this. >> What do you disagree with about that
00:53:12
state? >> I just think that, you know, there's there's a lot of different types of
00:53:18
people in the world. There's not monsters and people who commit mistakes. >> Well, I'm simplifying things in terms
00:53:23
of, you know, a crime, a murder, right? >> There's two types of people who would
00:53:27
commit a murder. >> There's a monster and there's people who make mistakes. Like his example of the
00:53:34
>> carried away. If it's a murder, then it would be a monster, right? >> Not necessarily.
00:53:41
>> You don't think so? >> No. Still believing he's in control of the situation, Levi never asks for a
00:53:47
lawyer or even his mother, and unsurprisingly fails to catch the detective's bluff about his DNA. But
00:53:54
while Levi remains convinced he's outsmarted the police, he has no idea that while the evidence uncovered in his
00:54:00
room is already damning enough, what detectives are about to find on his phone will destroy any chance of walking
00:54:06
free. Because before long, detectives would receive the final and most crucial breakthrough in the investigation.
00:54:15
After searching the brother's phones and social media activity, it begins to uncover a disturbing picture. Just one
00:54:22
day after the murder, Levi writes, "This one was a fighter." And detectives realize this wasn't a spur-of-the-
00:54:30
moment act. Levi had been planning a murder for months with searches of how to choose the perfect victim, how to
00:54:37
strangle someone, and how to defeat a police interrogation. And they would uncover even more evidence tying Levi
00:54:44
directly to the scene. Not only was the watch confirmed to be Levi's, but inside
00:54:49
his room, they discovered a shirt covered in Sheila's blood and gloves matching the ones from the crime scene.
00:54:56
Now, even without a full confession, detectives know they have enough evidence to formally charge him. With
00:55:02
this, both interrogations finally come to an end. And as a detective steps out to inform the parents that one of their
00:55:09
young sons is an alleged killer, all they can do is stand in shock, silently waiting to hear their son's fate.
00:55:18
>> Yeah, this is um their dad. >> How are you? Um, I'm special agent Ward with Beast
00:55:25
Bureau Criminal Investigation. You see two of my colleagues here, my other colleague. Now, there's some important
00:55:31
things we're going to tell you that we have that are bad. Okay. All right. That watch that we showed you
00:55:40
was under her body. >> What? >> What? Yeah. [laughter] >> No. [laughter] Okay. You have more
00:55:52
things to tell me. >> Okay. I'm I don't know what in the world happened. He's We're [music] not talking
00:56:00
to him anymore. I mean, he doesn't want to really talk anymore. Um I don't know what happened.
00:56:11
>> You can keep talking. >> Well, we have a lot of other evidence, too. I'm just trying to figure out what in
00:56:19
the world. I >> I don't know. Um, no. No. >> Okay. Sorry. What else? >> I I'm not doing this to
00:56:41
>> I don't think you are. >> I I'm just trying to do my job and my colleague. [laughter]
00:56:46
>> What happens now? Um, I'm consulting with the county prosecutor's office. >> He's only 13.
00:56:56
Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I know, honey. I know. I know. Okay. [laughter]
00:57:13
Not horrible. Not true. Oh god, I feel like such a over me so I never >> You're a mom.
00:57:26
>> There's no way you're going to know. >> After finally learning what their son
00:57:30
had done, Levi's family are left to come to terms with a devastating reality. With the overwhelming evidence against
00:57:37
him, on November 10th, 2025, Levi Cart ultimately pleads guilty to aggravated murder, aggravated burglary, and
00:57:44
strangulation in the killing of Sheila Tenpenney. And because of his age, Levi receives the maximum sentence allowed
00:57:51
under juvenile law. He will remain in a juvenile facility until he turns 21, meaning he is expected to be released in
00:57:59
2033. But for Sheila's family, the outcome still doesn't feel like justice. Under juvenile sentencing laws, Levi
00:58:07
cannot legally remain incarcerated beyond that age. And at Levi's sentencing, the lead investigator warned
00:58:14
the court, telling the judge he made a mistake. It was good luck for us that he did, but in the future, is he going to
00:58:20
learn from those mistakes? That's what I'm concerned about. For the detectives involved in the investigation, there
00:58:26
remains a terrifying possibility that Sheila was not the end of Levi's violence, but only the beginning of what
00:58:33
he could be capable of. And while this case left Ohio shaken by a killer no one ever expected, our next case unfolds
00:58:41
somewhere danger is never supposed to reach. Inside S. Vincent North Hospital, more than a dozen gunshots send patients
00:58:49
and doctors into lockdown as SWAT officers move floor by floor searching for the shooter.
00:58:56
>> Hospital way. That way. Just go that way. With one person already dead, more than
00:59:07
70 rooms, and a maze of hallways to secure, police are forced into an intense race to stop the gunman before
00:59:14
he finds another victim. To watch this exclusive Dr. Insanity episode along with three more episodes from our new
00:59:21
Tuby series.

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Episode Highlights

  • A Gruesome Murder Unfolds
    A 13-year-old boy, obsessed with true crime, commits a shocking murder.
    “Tonight, a 13-year-old boy decides this is the night he becomes a serial killer.”
    @ 01m 35s
    May 30, 2026
  • A Shocking 911 Call
    A call reveals a potential murder in a quiet neighborhood, shocking the police.
    “I think my sisters might have been murdered.”
    @ 03m 00s
    May 30, 2026
  • The Investigation Begins
    Detectives start piecing together the crime scene and suspect family involvement.
    “Officers arrive at the house, unaware the killer is still nearby.”
    @ 03m 23s
    May 30, 2026
  • The First Suspect Emerges
    Daryl Tenpenney insists his sister was murdered, making him the first suspect.
    “Daryl never mentions performing CPR.”
    @ 07m 05s
    May 30, 2026
  • DNA Evidence Changes Everything
    Forensic results reveal the true nature of the crime, shifting the investigation's focus.
    “This is a homicide.”
    @ 08m 27s
    May 30, 2026
  • DNA Results Shock Investigators
    Investigators are stunned to find both brothers' DNA at the scene, complicating the case.
    “Both of Rebecca's sons are a match, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were both at the scene.”
    @ 25m 08s
    May 30, 2026
  • Tension Rises with Mother
    Rebecca demands to know why her sons are being questioned without her present, escalating the situation.
    “I want our lawyer and have my children stop being questioned without a lawyer present immediately.”
    @ 31m 50s
    May 30, 2026
  • Evidence Against Levi
    Detectives uncover evidence that casts doubt on Levi's innocence, including a watch found at the crime scene.
    “That's Louis's watch.”
    @ 42m 00s
    May 30, 2026
  • Hunter's Emotional Breakdown
    During the interrogation, Hunter struggles with the thought of his brother being guilty, leading to an emotional breakdown.
    “At the thought of his own brother being responsible for the murder, Hunter appears to completely break down.”
    @ 44m 14s
    May 30, 2026
  • Levi's Disturbing Interests
    Investigators discover Levi's journal filled with violent thoughts and an obsession with serial killers, raising concerns about his mental state.
    “They also uncover a growing obsession with serial killers, books, online content, and material saved focused on infamous murderers.”
    @ 49m 08s
    May 30, 2026
  • Final Breakthrough
    Detectives find crucial evidence on Levi's phone, revealing premeditated plans for murder.
    “Levi writes, 'This one was a fighter.'”
    @ 54m 25s
    May 30, 2026
  • Levi's Guilty Plea
    Levi pleads guilty to multiple charges, receiving the maximum juvenile sentence, raising concerns about future violence.
    “Levi will remain in a juvenile facility until he turns 21, meaning he is expected to be released in 2033.”
    @ 57m 54s
    May 30, 2026

Episode Quotes

  • This will be far more difficult than he expected.
    13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone
  • I don't know. A lot of it's a blur.
    13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone
  • I can be the guinea pig, too. It's what I do.
    13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone
  • I don't want food. I want our lawyer.
    13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone
  • I mean, who knows?
    13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone
  • What happens now?
    13 Year Old Realizes His Twin Brother Just Killed Someone

Key Moments

  • Murder at 1301:35
  • DNA Evidence08:27
  • DNA Match25:08
  • Interrogation Tactics37:21
  • Hunter's Breakdown44:14
  • Levi's Disturbing Journal49:08
  • Final Evidence Found54:19
  • Guilty Plea57:40

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