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criminals have one objective when sat in the interrogation room do not confess but sometimes the detectives are so
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skilled that they are able to trick the suspect into giving everything up and confessing on the spot it was a lot
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going through my mind at that point like I'm thinking I'm about to die I'm near death and I just shot starting with the
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one in a million interrogation of Kelsey McMan on the 26th of July 2017 two bodies were found in a car in Virginia
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the bodies belonged to Gregory Davis and Ryan cross and as the investigation began police were immediately starved
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for suspects there was very little evidence and the cops couldn't link the deaths to any wider incidents however
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Kelsey had been arrested less than a month earlier for robbing a man at gunpoint for his cell phone he was well
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known to the police so when they found his Prince at the scene of the crime they knew they had to bring him in where
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were you Wednesday last week Wednesday morning Wednesday morning mhm 26 can you even mind
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Double H oh um oh I did hear I saw about that on Twitter though I was at Cole's house matter of fact I was at his house
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all night all night you never left no so you got you spend the night over there yeah did you guys ever go out and hang
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out with anybody or anything like that what time did you leave his house probably like 6 6:00 a.m. or like maybe
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like 4: maybe 4: 5 or 6 Kelsey gives a very common Alibi here saying he was at his friend's house all night and he
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never left criminals give this Alibi a lot at it places them away from the crime and also allows their friends to
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cover up for them if Cole tells the cops Kelsey was indeed there all night then that problem is solved and he couldn't
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possibly have been the murderer but of course it's never that simple do you walk by the police no I walk straight
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down Rich were you with any but by myself I went home so you were at CO's till about 4:00 what time did you get to
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calls M we hooped earlier that day so I was with him probably like around I don't know exactly the time but I know I
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was we like for I'm say all day basically did you walk there or did you take a car we walked so you walk where
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was your girl at there you out the gr the first part of the interrogation is often the most important it gives the
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suspect a chance to explain their side of the story but it also gives the detective a chance to trap them in a lie
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as you may be able to tell the detective is bombarding Kelsey with questions and
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barely giving him a chance to think in between each of them this is done in hopes that if Kelsey is guilty he'll
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make a mistake somewhere in his story that the detective can exploit later the detective continues this for another 5
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minutes before deciding to talk about the murders when did you hear about the murder I heard about it on the news the
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next morning my dad had called me cuz when I went back home I went to sleep my dad called me like around 8 something he
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was like did you hear about that I was like nah you know what I'm saying did you see who got killed I didn't they
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didn't they didn't say no names or no faces or nothing um did you find out who go kill um all I know is was that one of
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them was 19 and 20 I've seen that on the um the news did you know the victims no
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never seen it before in Life or anything like that I still don't know who it is I
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didn't Ryan cross you know that name how about Greg Den I don't know they don't sound familiar so what's the word on the
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street whate I don't know too much except for what they said on the news I it notice how as soon as the names are
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mentioned and he's asked whether he knows them Kelsey's posture becomes much more closed off he tightens up and
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starts to move his hands around a whole lot more than he was before something is
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off and the detectives pick up on this instantly so obviously the reason why we're talking to you two is cuz we want
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to find out information we want to tell see if you're telling the truth okay so this is your opportunity to tell the
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truth detective go and kind of talk to you you know there's pieces of puzzles and when you look at them our job solely
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is to gather EVS talk to people and put it all together okay right now you're not telling the truth about what about
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where you were that night oh I am you're giving us partial the truth but there's
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also text messages between you and Jay me and jco yeah talking about what you weren't there if he's texting you you
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remember saying you I'm in the cut and just went by that's when I was walking home why why would you HDE in the cut no
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I'm saying I'm walking through the cut there's cuts that I take to get home Kelsey nods his head here to reassure
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himself that what he's saying is truthful and believable but all this does is confirm to the police how
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nervous he really is he's texting you're texting back and forth he's trying to call you the murder he's trying to call
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me he doesn't he doesn't have a phone number so I can't call me he's texting you though right FaceTime and text him
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that's when I get home he text me face Tommy but he didn't say anything about that you know we're talking to you for a
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reason right we're not here talking by chance yeah I mean you're talking to let's talk about the bag that found in
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the back of the [ __ ] it's got your prints on it it's got your DNA the brag the bag
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mhm I [Music] mean let's talk about why would it have that why would it have your DNA on what
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bag there's a bag found in the back Black Backpack all right I'm listen if Kelsey
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had a good way to refute this evidence you'd have to imagine that he'd be rushing to tell the cops about it
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instead he says I'm listening a sign that he's got nothing and is actively searching for an excuse in what the cop
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says I me I had I mean I have his bag sometimes did you have his bag that night no why would he say he gave it to
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you for what I don't know that's my masking I don't know why he would give me his bag like we was hooping that day
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I probably could have had his bag and put my stuff in it but that was about it I didn't have it know after that so what
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happened that night did something go wrong like said you seem like a good guy make mistakes but we need know what
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happened that night I don't I honestly don't know you weren't sleeping there that whole time no we wasn't sleeping
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the whole time I said I didn't go to sleep till probably like 12 or something 12 or1 so you don't know Ryan cross no
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do you know Greg Dennis I don't know I don't you know what I'm saying you saying those names I don't I'm asking if
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you know no no no I don't know them if you ever run around them hung out with them I mean you saying the names you're
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saying I don't I don't know anybody by that name if you could show me a picture or anything have you watch the news you
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know that area no they didn't show they didn't show pictures that's what I'm saying I never seen them show any
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pictures or nothing have you ever been in their car or anything no is there any reason why you're Prince with on that
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car it depends on who you're talking about Kelsey's body language is consistently extremely telling
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throughout this whole interrogation before that last question he was speaking pretty confidently but when the
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detective asks if he's ever been in the car it's like he's been stunned and he quietly mutters no it's almost as if he
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knows exactly what question is coming next but he definitely wasn't prepared for the cop's next remark you know you
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had your cell phone on you that night right I my cell phone on yeah what we going to do it's going to track your
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whole movement that night it's going to put you in the area of the murder I mean
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should that's that's that's an answer you saying that it shouldn't what if it does scenario based cuz because I'm just
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say like I said I've done this a little bit and I try to be a judge of the character all right do you understand
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that um I told you I was a I was a robbery detective for seven eight years but I'm a homicide detective now spent
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my whole career looking people in the eyes a going that dude he's straight he just in bad situation or that dude's
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[ __ ] whack that dude that you need to be put in jail it's [ __ ] Maniac you I'm not seeing that so we're not here
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talking to you like you're the dude who pulled the trigger you're the dude or whatever the detectives employ another
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classic strategy by claiming that they don't believe he was actually the murderer he was just involved a suspect
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is much more likely to admit to a less serious charge than they are the actual crime so the plan is to get something
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out of them and then work their way up to a full confession okay before I even start saying this I'm telling you I
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didn't do that all right but so I didn't know them by that name honestly but you know what I'm
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saying I I done done business with these guys before so I know they were legit people right those other two guys that
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was at his crib CO's crib I don't I don't know them they know him but I don't we're not cool like that so I
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don't do any dealings with so we talking about Dread Boy yeah he had called me up
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I mean I had called him up he was like yeah I'm saying I was asking can I get some some stuff off of him you know what
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I'm saying long story short they pull up I didn't want none of that around Co crib okay you know what I'm saying it
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was just me me and the other two guys was throwing bread together to get some [ __ ] gotta but I was going to get what I
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what I my I threw you feel what I'm saying was nothing big or nothing like that Kelsey does a pretty bad job of
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explaining the next part but in essence he heads out to buy some drugs from his regular guy but instead somebody else
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shows up the two guys who end up getting shot he decides to go along with it and
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we pick up his story as the deal starts to go down so I'm in the car you know what I'm saying I'm counting out my
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money that I have from everybody and those two the two guys matter of fact was still was standing back there okay
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he was just with me did they see them who you think the two you two guys who got killed did they see him back there
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your boy uh probably did I they didn't say anything matter of fact the one guy I think asked him for a cigarette or
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something saying he was walking up with me typee [ __ ] so that's probably why he
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pulled off you know what I'm saying but other than that after I call him and let
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him know like yeah is everything good you feel what I'm saying I'm just trying to get my stuff and leave for real I
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don't want you know what I'm saying I don't I don't know who this guy is I don't really trust him like that car you
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pull up in my car I don't know and then hop in the joint we pull off and then next thing I know some guys come open in
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that jump and then yeah all right was the two guys same two guys that was at the house I don't know that's what I'm
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saying they had it was all blacked up everything I don't I don't know who those who those guys was they opened the
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door took some of the stuff out of them you know what I'm saying that's what happened for where was that at that was
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like near the front so long story short Kelsey had gone out to buy some drugs got into a car with two people he didn't
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know and all of a sudden two guys came out of nowhere and murdered the dealers obviously Kelsey got out and fled the
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scene texting Cole along the way to let him know he's safe it took Kelsey about 7 minutes to explain this entire thing
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over embellishing every element along the way okay they both came to one side which side the driver side and then they
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opened the door and started doing that when I got out of the car I I started running like soon they still shooting
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yes I dropped everything I had and I started running and when they open the car door they just start shooting yeah I
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didn't text nobody saying I didn't call nobody nothing the last people I talked to was them okay and did you ever see
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them go to the P side or nothing like that nope okay what did you touch in that car um the
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door the bag you know what I'm saying I had the bag did you ever touch a driver's side door no did you ever open
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the driver's door no did you ever open the passenger door no were you ever in the front part of the car N I had I
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tried to open the back door you know what I'm saying but that's about it that's it but surprise surprise this
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story doesn't line up with the evidence the last part is extremely important for
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the detectives Kelsey has explicitly told them that he didn't touch anything in front of the car not the doors not
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the seats nothing it turns out this would be his biggest mistake and the detectives are about to tell him why you
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told us earlier he never touched the driver's side door pass side door you know we took fingerprints off everything
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what would I touch the door for that's our question I didn't know I don't I don't I don't remember touching no door
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we haven't finished processing but I'm giving you opportunity now cuz when we do process and you sit here and tell me
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my hand my fingerprints won't be on their doors and I get that hit you know 3 days later that your fingerprints are
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on that door and you had that opportunity to tell me the truth you know how's that going to look cuz here
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here's the btel all right if you shot those people it's going to look one more two ways you're going to sit here lie
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and we can think that you know Kelsey's Cold Blood he just shot them just left them there he didn't care or maybe
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something happened that caught maybe something they try to rob you you know something that explains why it happen
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okay if you if you're not honest with us we're not going to know that and the thing is everything you tell us we're
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going back up with evidence and if you're telling us one thing it doesn't add up and the science doesn't add up
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what do you think someone's going to believe the science or your word the detectives are once again confronting
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Kelsey with a less serious option in hopes that he might finally realize he's not getting out of this completely
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unscathed and at least confess to something luckily they're about to get exactly what they're looking for he do
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you want to talk to us tell us what you got to say well I was just over what he was saying resona my
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mind that I don't I don't want to be looked at as somebody that you know what I'm saying out of any aggressive Mo
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motives like don't want to be looked at as some some killer or some guy that just did that for no reason cuz it
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honestly wasn't like that so I got one to the car so I'm counting out the money this down the third the next thing I
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know I got two guns at my face I don't know if they were real I don't know if they were BB guns who ping the G both of
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those guys that's in the car no nobody else on the outside had anything so I had I had mine you know what I'm saying
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but it was for just for protection purposes only I didn't have any intent on doing anything I just wanted to get
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my stuff and go so they had this they had they turned around it was like you already know what time it is you feel
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what I'm saying I'm just like at that point I'm thinking like these [ __ ] about to kill me you feel what I'm
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saying and I was hesitant on giving them the money like it's not that serious it's $800 like you don't have to do this
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you feel what I'm saying we didn't we never had any problems like that so he you know what I'm saying he's like I'm
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not playing you feel me saying start pointing it more in my face you saying I had it actually on my head had bu in my
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head and went to my chest so then I acted out of self-defense after that those two guys r two guys outside they
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they took off and then I'm trying to open the door and I couldn't even open the door from the inside I don't know if
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the child lock was on or whatever you know what I'm saying to me the whole thing was planned out already that they
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were going to tell and rob me all right so how'd you get out I climbed through the uh the passenger side you climb pass
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I to open the passenger front door no I didn't I I never opened the door the door was open after after that and then
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I climbed out and I started running honestly so I'm I'm honestly sorry that that happened there you know what I'm
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saying I it didn't it wasn't I didn't I didn't do that out of just me wanting to
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do that out of me being a coldhearted person I'm not that person you know what I'm saying I probably guess the times I
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deal with them they thought you know what I'm saying from how they go about it he was sweet I don't I don't come off
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I don't I don't come off like I'm just some hardcore gangster none of that I acted out of self-defense where where's
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the gun now I don't have it I know where is I don't know I gave it to I gave it to jcole he did he did something with it
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I don't know I don't know where he took it I don't know who he gave it to when did you buy the gun from the pawn shop I
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don't remember exactly how long would be had it I probably say a few months where'd you buy the ammo at uh Walmart
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Walmart yeah when did you buy the ammo from Walmart the same day I got the gun did you pay crack car or cash I pay with
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cash cash and that's pretty much all the cops needed to take Kelsey down but just
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for good measure they made him repeat his version of events once more so let's break down what happened that night a
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little bit all right so you get in the car when they drive up to the co set how many people were in the car me up yeah
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when they pick you up there was only two people in the car I go up to the window
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I was like like what's up like I'm here okay so you like n bro just get in the car so I'm just like all right bro I
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guess he didn't want his dude out the open or something like that you feel what I'm saying like and then two other
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guys come out of nowhere and they're just blocking in my door I'm just like and I'm just in the back just stuck like
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this you know what I'm saying then they turned around put the guns in my face like yeah you already know what time it
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is I'm trying to ride me basically and then I just shot with that Kelsey has completely admitted to the murders of
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Gregory and Ryan the detectives did an incredible job of making Kelsey feel comfortable and then backing him into a
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corner by asking exactly the right questions they knew what evidence they had and tricked Kelsey into telling what
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they knew to be lies however they were never able to prove that there was any form of premeditation
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involved in this case so Kelsey was hit with two charges of second deegree murder and sentenced to 38 years behind
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bars Cade Lish however was faced with such a smart detective he couldn't help but confess to everything and was sent
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to prison at just 22 years old did you stab him yes Kade had been faced with anger issues throughout most of his
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adolescent life but he never expected it would lead him here him and a man named
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Jeremiah had gotten into an argument outside of a restaurant and at first it was just a normal disagreement but it
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quickly escalated into a full-on fight where Kade drew a pocket knife and stabbed Jeremiah three times Jeremiah
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died of his injuries but at this point Kade doesn't know that giving the detective a massive opening to get to
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the bottom of why this happened I would like to know what happened tonight um can I ask you a question sure is this
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guy okay is he um you know I haven't heard the latest on him yet okay but obviously he was involved in a fight as
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well so I'm just trying to piece it together what happened you know once I get some more information I'll let you
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know sure um but uh yeah I i' just like to know kind of your point of view as to
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what happened tonight how this started sure the detective needs to make sure Kade doesn't figure out Jeremiah is dead
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in his head he's just facing an assault charge Cade might be more likely to confess if he's unaware of the severity
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of the situation so the detective continues under this this guys my buddies were going to a movie and I
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think it started at 30 and and when you say buddies who who the um Kade B which that's where they picked me up
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from yeah and his good friend Brent helard I think his dad's actually the chief belas what happened there there I
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went in sat down few other guys I work with were there had some drinks talked and eventually everybody you know
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decided to go home we both had to work today so we decided to go home Kade then spends the next 5 minutes
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detailing the rest of the night before getting into the argument with Jeremiah he says the two had their differences
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before apparently he'd been making some derogatory comments towards one of Cade's gay friends and he wasn't happy
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about that and after a few drinks that all came to a head when they met again outside the bar that night but at some
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point you did get physical with this guy yeah was it just one guy I I think so I
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just remember getting hit and telling you you guys going to get off me and I'm going to stick you stick you guys get
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off me all CAD seemed to remember is being assaulted by one or more people managing to escape and then calling 911
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but we know that there's an important element of this story missing so the detective tries to ask a few questions
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that might shed a little light on Cade's involvement in this fight now you said you got a scuffle with this guy and were
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you guys exchanging punches uh you know I don't I don't know that I punched him at all I know that he punched me you
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said that that you're going to stick him what did you mean by that I had my pocket knife I said you need to get off
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me I'm going to I'm going to stab you stick you you know at this point I didn't know how many freaking guys were
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hitting me I was kind of scared you know those was days that person had about knocked me out do you remember stabbing
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this guy at all I can't remember what position we were in when it happened I can't
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remember if if we were on the ground if if we were standing up I can't I can't remember the exact exact position
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but but did you stab him yes yeah I did do you know how many times you stab him I I don't more than once I think I think
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so I couldn't tell the exact amount well that was a lot easier than anyone was expecting the detective has done a very
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good job of putting Kade at ease he's leaning in towards him and maintaining eye contact so as to show Cade that he
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is interested in the conversation and that he's someone he can trust this in combination with Kade not knowing the
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severity or what he did made it much easier for him to confess to stabbing him so now the detective just has to
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iron out all the details something that's much easier said than done when the suspect was drunk and full of
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adrenaline but you don't recall maybe how many times you stabed it I don't I don't times where you stabbed him I want
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to say in the back maybe like I know that we were we were wrapped up I think face to face well you know
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kind of like in a clinch I don't know if you had a hold of me I had a hold of him
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but I'm pretty sure it was were you I I don't remember if I was on my knees or if we were standing up that's
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the part that I don't remember but I know it's either in the side or in in the lower back area okay I think it was
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more than once but you're not yes they then both decide to take a break before getting right back into it 30 minutes
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later I think you told me before that that uh he threw the first punch yes okay and that's how you remember it is
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him M yeah and then it just becomes a fight after that was there any point that that you
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were able to like be able to break away from him get away from him move I don't think did you did you try
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to get away from him yeah I didn't want you engage him were you mad at him I was
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mad after I got hit but I didn't want to fight and I remember telling him I don't
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want to fight I don't want to fight as I'm getting hit you were just trying to get away from him at that point after
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you got hit yeah but you couldn't exactly okay so at what point during this struggle I mean did you feel like
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your only choice to get away from this guy was to stab him after I after I told him that I didn't want to fight and I
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told him to stop stop stop stop and I told him I'm going to stab you if you don't if you don't stop why stab him
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though why not well because nothing cuz nothing else is working did you try so what else did you try I tried to get
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away know physically and you know through tell you but this is a surprisingly important piece in this
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case Cade says he tried everything he could do to get away before stabbing Jeremiah but nothing else was working
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however at the same time he claims never to have punched or kicked him from the detective's point of view it seems that
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Kade just tried to crawl away and then immediately resorted to possibly lethal force in the pocket knife this could
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have been a split-second decision Kade made when realizing he was in danger but it could equally have have been a
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conscious decision made because he wanted Jeremiah dead it's a difficult call to make and the detective has to
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get to the bottom of it how long did it take after you started stabbing for this
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to kind of for you guys to break apart was it immediate was it a couple minutes yeah was
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it I know I I know I stabbed him a couple times you know I more than once once started happening did you continue
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to stab him after he let go of you or what I don't think no what at what point did you stop stabbing him I guess I
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should add when I when I felt that he was he had let go of me basically but you didn't go after me more I I don't
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think so no you don't know how many times you stabed do you have any idea multiple multiple okay I couldn't give
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you a even a close number I know more than once and and that's kind of my issue with this incident that happened
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is because of the number of times this guy was you know I don't have an exact count because the everything that's
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going on but it's I mean we're looking at 13 14 times okay which is a lot okay you know a couple times I can see you
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know once twice three times but when you start getting 10 11 12 13 I mean that's
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a lot of times to stab somebody okay okay and I and understand I mean you told me what happened why you did and
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everything like that but I got to look at everything involved here so that the number of times this guy was stabbed is
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is is a concern to me okay the second thing here and and this is probably going to be the hardest part to deal
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with okay is is this guy's died okay that's that's the tough part you know it doesn't leave me with a
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lot of choice here as to what as to what to do with you okay you can probably understand that
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right okay so so you're going to go to jail today and that's exactly what happened to Cade he was sent to jail and
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subsequently stood trial for the killing of Jeremiah paays the jury was met with
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a similar conundrum as the detective was it seems as though he's telling the truth about the fight and all the
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evidence corroborates that story but he still stabbed Jeremiah 13 times the final verdict was one of voluntary
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manslaughter a crime separate to first or second degree murder it's given to suspects who intended to kill somebody
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but aren't guilty of murder due to provocation to circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to act in the
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same way way in Cade's case this makes perfect sense and the head juror of this case put it best he didn't doubt Cade
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was afraid but he wasn't acting entirely out of fear for this reason Cade was sentenced to 22 years in prison and will
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be eligible for parole after just 10 years the detective did an incredibly good job of extracting the full truth
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from Cade especially under these complex circumstances but in the case of Lee radarte they were faced with a much more
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formidable opponent Lee thought he was smarter than the cops and was ready to try and outsmart them but the cops were
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ready to use their years of experience and put them to the test to get a confession from him where is she I don't
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know where she is where is it no no where did you go with her I know you're not that cruel inside I'm begging you
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Lee just tell us I don't know where she is this is Lee radarte a man taken into custody for being suspected of
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kidnapping and killing his coworker Savannah Gold with no ideas of where Savannah could be the cops knew getting
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this interrogation wrong could mean they might never catch the killer what's even
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worse is that Lee had a foolproof story that was going to make sure Savannah was
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never to be found Lee however is under the impression that he is smarter than the detectives little did he know this
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would be a massive mistake for him on the 2nd of August 2017 sav's family received text messages stating she was
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running away and quitting her job the messages were WR riddled with errors causing her family to panic and Report
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her as missing immediately throughout the investigation the police were grasping its straws until they were
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suddenly sent the CCTV footage from The Bonefish Grill where Savannah worked the
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video shows her getting into a silver car in the parking lot before it began to shake violently with the door being
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thrust open and pulled shut three times the car then drove out of the parking lot and Savannah was never seen again
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after a series of interviews they discovered the car was identical to Lee radares a manager at the grill and
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boyfriend to Savannah for around 2 months Lee was immediately arrested on suspicion of murder and brought into the
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interrogation room however he was told by police it was for an unimportant traffic warrant and that's when the
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following happened I'll say right here something you can go have have a seat for me real quick I'll be right back
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okay yes sir being told the detective will be right back obviously implies to Lee that he won't have to wait long to
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be seen But it actually be 90 minutes before anyone enters the room again only a few days ago Lee was interviewed about
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The Disappearance of a girl he kidnapped and now he's been handcuffed and taken into a police interrogation room Lee
00:28:12
will be feeling incredibly anxious now but remember he's confident that there's no way the cops have enough evidence to
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take him down but unfortunately for him the facade the detectives put up is all about to be ripped away hey man how you
00:28:26
doing good good you remember me from the other day detective Rees um this my partner detective s the detective that
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enters isn't the same one that brought him in it's the one who interviewed him about Savannah 3 days prior any comfort
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he found in thinking this was all unrelated has now been completely taken away and replaced with pure panic but
00:28:46
Lee's plan Remains the Same so he tries to keep himself composed as he prepares for the onslaught of questions he's
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about to be hit with so um Savannah you said that you knew her and you got guys had um you knew her from work I mean
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just kind of fill me in with that how long have you known her um like I said I've known her obviously since she
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worked since we started working there um I would say probably about 8 months ago
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we started hanging out outside of work and at the time I had a girlfriend but I kind of you know we kind of connected me
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and Savannah so we hung out a little bit here and there got pretty close uh we come from I guess somewhat similar
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backgrounds I guess you should say the question Lee was given was how long have you known Savannah a question that
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surely merits a fairly simple answer when hit with a question like this people who have nothing to hide keep
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their responses short taking the questions at face value but people who feel pressured will usually extend their
00:29:43
answers to questions in an effort to seem as though they know what they're talking about something Lee will fall
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victim to uh so we kind of connect in hung out for a little while uh probably say a period of two 3 months okay um and
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then she started using uh drugs okay a lot I did them with her a couple times and then she started to get heavy into
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them and oh gotcha okay um so I kind of just uh try to take a step back and you know put things off and then
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probably a month or so ago I saw Savannah at work and she looked healthy again you know she gained a little bit
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of weight uh we kind of were talking you know here and there we hung out a couple
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times um she came over to the house and you know we just kick back drink a couple beers watch movies stuff like
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that in total Lee spoke for over 5 minutes in response to a single simple question going so far as to detail
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specific encounters between the pair now that the detectives have even more reason to suspect that he may be hiding
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something they decide to call him out on something small to gauge his reaction in
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the first interview Lee had told investigators he hadn't seen Savannah in a while but if the CCTV footage is to be
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believed this is a bold-faced liee and then as we hung out you know after a couple times she brought drugs over and
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I told her I was like you know you're doing really good you can't you know you shouldn't be doing it again I think we
00:31:15
mve too fast split Mutual ways yeah and that was the last time that we text okay
00:31:22
when was that was that uh it was probably a couple two 3 weeks ago okay some in July right right yeah and I
00:31:29
think that's one of the things you said was that was the last time that you had contact with her as far as I don't want
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to put words in your mouth so I mean you you correct me those the last time that
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I text her yeah text or a phone call or messenger anything like that two to three weeks ago yeah okay and um and
00:31:47
then the last time when was the last time you saw her this is what I was a B I didn't tell you the truth when we
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talked at B fish okay last time I saw her was Wednesday afternoon okay I heard that she has been basically telling a
00:32:05
lot of people at work that we hooked up a bunch like couple days before that so I met her in the parking lot uh at
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Bonefish when is this Wednesday afternoon okay well that you know what time or about um it was about 5:30 okay
00:32:24
without realizing it Lee has provided us with enough evidence to assume he's guilty we know he knew Savannah he had
00:32:32
the same vehicle seen in the footage and he was present at the scene of the crime
00:32:36
when it happened remember Lee has no idea the cops have footage of the event if he knew about it he would have tried
00:32:43
to provide an alibi that put him somewhere completely different unfortunately though this isn't quite
00:32:49
enough evidence for the cops to get a guaranteed conviction instead they need to push further to try and extract a
00:32:55
full confession something that will not come easy at all I parked uh and I said hey uh can I talk to you for a second
00:33:04
and she said yeah what's up and I was like I heard you've been saying some things about me and you continuing to
00:33:13
hang out and you know that we're boyfriend and girlfriend and she asked me she said can
00:33:20
I come sit in the car because I just did some heroin and I'm a little paranoid it
00:33:25
was never confirmed Med that Savannah did do heroin nobody in her life mentioned seeing or suspecting she used
00:33:32
it and even if she did she was headed to a shift at her job as this conversation
00:33:37
was taking place if she was able to do that without getting paranoid it seems strange she couldn't simply have a chat
00:33:43
in the parking lot so she came inside in the car and I explained to her the situation I told her that servers uh at
00:33:50
bone fish were coming to me and telling me that you're telling people when you're out that boyfriend and girlfriend
00:33:57
and I said I need you to stop because for one it's jeopardizing my job we agreed to you know split stop talking
00:34:05
mutually and just move on um but it was nothing more than that and she said I'm going to do what I want I didn't tell
00:34:12
anybody anything at that point I got out and I pun shed the whole on tire and I said now stop and I said don't do it
00:34:21
again or next time it's going to be worse it's going to be your windows at that point she had her phone in her hand
00:34:27
she got out of the car and walked towards the main entrance from San Jose obviously this entire explanation was
00:34:35
crafted to try and create an alibi as close as possible to what actually happened but the few small inaccuracies
00:34:42
are actually glaring Windows directly into the truth we know that Savannah never left the vehicle in the parking
00:34:48
lot and that she drove away with him just minutes after getting in Lee is unwittingly constructing a mountain of
00:34:54
evidence against him in the form of of lies that he thinks he's getting away with and he's not finished yet and it
00:35:02
looked like she was either texting or calling somebody okay um because as you started walking towards the there's an
00:35:10
entrance to Bone to the plaza she was walking maybe towards this way MH and I would say an older
00:35:19
model Ford pickup M green okay uh drove past me and around and she got in okay how long do you think it was between the
00:35:31
time that she got out and started using her phone till that green truck pulled up um maybe 5 minutes okay so wow so if
00:35:39
she called somebody they got there in five minutes to pick her up well I mean like I said she she it looked like she
00:35:44
was going to call somebody and that's when the green truck came around and she got in so she gets in the truck what
00:35:51
what happened at that point um they drove back around kind of looped around a little bit which which way they drive
00:35:58
so I guess they exited that way and at that point I left Lee doubles down on the LIE again thinking that this puts
00:36:08
him completely in the clear as he wouldn't have been the last person to see savan but his decisions continued to
00:36:14
work against him had he decided to stick closer to the truth he might have been able to argue that he took Savannah
00:36:20
somewhere else and then parted ways with her but without the knowledge of what police have against him Leah left simply
00:36:26
guessing and forced to make up stories on the Fly this is why it's so important to call a lawyer innocent or not in an
00:36:34
interrogation detectives are allowed to both lie and withhold evidence from you putting you in a very difficult
00:36:40
situation where you're at the mercy of their tactics and Gaines however the second you bring an attorney into the
00:36:47
mix things get exponentially easier as police are forced to turn over all of the evidence in their possession so they
00:36:53
can put together a fair and sound defense for you calling a lawyer isn't just having a wingman at the
00:36:59
interrogation room it's an unlocked door that bypasses almost all of the police's
00:37:04
tricks it goes from them interrogating you to a legal battle but needless to say Lee hasn't called the lawyer and has
00:37:13
been left at a disadvantage from the beginning if Lee was as smart as he thinks he is he wouldn't have waved this
00:37:19
right and likely would be in a much better position what happened to your neck that was self-inflicted actually
00:37:27
why I just have been having kind of a hard time to your NE I couldn't yeah I did
00:37:34
and what did you use a knife when did you do that um some time in July you did that in
00:37:47
July and it's still yeah bloody well it's I kind of peel the scab here and there at work hitting it all stuff like
00:37:56
that I peel it last night working um and it was coming off a little bit today so I feel b a little
00:38:02
bit all right let me see but this and this was the same night this one was just a lot worse yeah than this one was
00:38:10
okay um and that was in July yeah um like a few weeks back yeah okay it doesn't take a genius to realize
00:38:20
how Brazen of a lie this is aside from his incredibly unconvincing delivery of his excuses Lee has no history with self
00:38:28
harm and was reported to have been in good spirits in the weeks leading up to this event furthermore Lee becomes
00:38:34
visibly anxious here most people have a tell that shows when they're lying or feeling uncomfortable for many this is
00:38:41
crossing their arms or slouching in their chair but Lee keeps his posture and position fairly consistent
00:38:46
throughout the interview instead Lee is prone to subconscious jittery movements in his limbs earlier in the interview
00:38:53
while being caught in his first lie he bounced his leg repeatedly L the entire time while here he moves his hand and
00:38:59
fingers unnaturally every time he tells a lie in fact it's almost comical how perfectly It lines up with the false
00:39:06
statements I met her in the parking lot uh at Bonefish when is this Wednesday afternoon what happened to your neck
00:39:13
that was self-inflicted actually what did you use a knife it's also interesting to
00:39:20
note that the detectives almost certainly noticed these marks just seconds into the interview the decision
00:39:25
to mention it now was a conscious one done to try and build pressure Lee would likely have anxiety regarding his last
00:39:32
big lie about Savannah exiting his vehicle catching him so suddenly in a second lie right after will likely
00:39:38
amplify these feelings and cause him to feel even more paranoia as the detectives continue this is also likely
00:39:45
why they immediately flip back to talking about the truck right after could you see who the person in the
00:39:49
truck was um the truck had tint fairly tinted windows I saw um a baseball cap yeah you see a guy girl white black I
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couldn't really tell if it was a guy or a girl okay um I just remember seeing the truck drive and her get in yeah um
00:40:08
and all the I'm sitting in front and truck drives right past me yeah and I saw a baseball cap through the passenger
00:40:15
window okay um but so it seem like she knew the person I mean she got right in Lee why didn't you mention this before
00:40:23
since we've been looking for this girl I mean don't you think that information def it definitely does um and I regret
00:40:30
obviously not saying anything before um so I when I come up and talked to you yesterday I'm not threatening I'm just
00:40:38
I'm talking to everybody up there what why I just you know I freaked out to be honest with you I mean that this girl is
00:40:44
Missing yes okay but you know she's been missing you have know I mean obviously you know I was the last one to see her
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so I was a little bit scared at that and how do you know you're you you just said
00:40:56
said you weren't the last one to see her you just said somebody in a truck well I
00:40:59
mean the last one to see her at Bonefish that the last one she's heard from right
00:41:03
I had contact with that anybody knows of sure the detective knows he's starting to catch Lee on the back foot so decides
00:41:10
to keep the pressure up so where is Savannah right now I don't know where would I find her I don't know that's my
00:41:18
my Prime objective is to find her definitely and here's a couple reasons I need to find her one is um I'm hoping
00:41:25
that that she's still alive um and and that's really I I really do I'm holding out for that um and if she's not alive
00:41:32
then I think she and her family are are due that knowledge I think they need some closure so where is she I don't
00:41:41
know where she is where is Savannah I don't know I need to know where Savannah is so I can let her where she is you
00:41:47
don't know because you had something done with her and you weren't involved in that part I don't know tell me
00:41:54
something what can I work with told you the last song I Saw that's not true because we have proof we have we have
00:42:00
proof and that's why we're sitting here Lee at this point we need this for her I
00:42:05
mean I look at that little girl and I think of my little girl my little girl who's her age that's who I think about
00:42:12
that was my little girl I couldn't imagine I don't care what she said about you or whatever but my little girl is
00:42:19
that age maybe and you're not telling the truth maybe something gets out of hand in the car I didn't do anything
00:42:25
okay you didn't do anything she was in your car she never got out of your car she never got out of your car Lee this
00:42:32
is where the true genius of these detectives start to shine the initially quiet female detective suddenly starts
00:42:39
to speak up the male detective had a very deadpan professional demeanor throughout the interrogation so having
00:42:47
that suddenly contrasted by a vulnerable emotional looking person being thrust in
00:42:52
front of him will likely come as even more of a shock to him especially as she starts to become more emotive and even
00:42:59
starts to beg him she never gets out of that car and you drive off she never gets out of that car there is no green
00:43:06
truck and that's not right to her we're FF finders Lee I don't have anything personal against you no no not at all I
00:43:12
mean it's it's fact finders doing our job no no no where did you go with her where did you go with her Lee be human
00:43:24
you're a human you're a man where did you go with her I know you're not that cruel inside maybe you maybe you don't
00:43:31
know where she is now where did you go with her please I'm begging you Lee I know you're not an evil person I don't
00:43:38
see that in you I don't see that in your history I don't hear those things about you at
00:43:44
work is she still at your house no okay is she still in your car no okay well where is she what was going on in the
00:43:55
back seat for the doors to be kicked open she kicked open that door three times Lee she kicked it we saw it and
00:44:04
you and you know I'm not making it up because I wouldn't know this cuz I wasn't there unless we had video of it
00:44:09
correct yes correct I'm not trying to trick you I'm just a FactFinder I mean she was upset she tried to slap me I
00:44:19
slapped her she went to get out I grabbed it around her waist and said said where are you going why are you
00:44:27
hitting me she calmed down and we left why would she leave with you after that why would I mean we've gotten arguments
00:44:37
plenty of times where she says she doesn't care what happens or anything like that all right sometimes people do
00:44:45
wrong things right some people make mistakes it's what you do afterwards I got a family that needs closure they are
00:44:53
now coming to the reality that she's no long longer with us do you want people to remember you as a guy who said okay
00:45:00
look I'm going to do the right thing or do you want your family and everybody else to think that you're some evil
00:45:06
heartless person who won't tell us where she is I don't think you're that kind of
00:45:10
guy I don't think you're evil just tell us where she is closure for her family she was hitting me she wouldn't
00:45:21
stop and I squeeze back just squeezed you squeezed her around her neck or around her neck
00:45:32
she I did go where is she now please tell person all I want to do pond on the west side of the club du
00:45:47
clay Club du clay yeah okay and long tip yeah yeah yeah okay just a few days later a dive team recovered the remains
00:45:55
of Savannah gold burned and almost unrecognizable so much so that her cause of death couldn't even be determined Lee
00:46:04
Rodarte pleaded guilty to the second degree murder of Savannah and in March of 2021 was sentenced to 40 years behind
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bars