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this is 20-year-old Devon Howard Devon is sitting in a cold interrogation room alongside his three co- accomplices due
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to their suspected involvement in the brutal shooting and murder of 27-year-old Andrew jich coincidentally
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all four claimed that they had no involvement in the crime whatsoever and in fact don't seem to take the situation
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seriously at all need PE [Music] where did you pick her up at okay relax it's okay no I'm fine I'm
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just tired okay I was involved in the murder of some somebody oh the time is right
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there what the group doesn't realize at this time is that Andrew's murder was fully recorded on multiple security
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cameras and shows a man getting out of 19-year-old Alicia valdez's car before killing Andrew even more disturbing is
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that the same vehicle would drive over Andrew's lifeless body before fleeing the
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scene Alexis Ellis a bystander at the scene would hear The Gunshot go off and rush over to Andrew to perform CPR while
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her friend Alyssa called 911 jeffc 911 what is the address of the emergency um I don't no I'm just at the
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corner it's like Sheridan and 20th um some guy just got shot and they took off in a silver twood door Pontiac and he's
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on the ground he's like face down did you see the person that shot him did you see the person with a gun Alexis answer
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my question did you see the person with the gun she said it look like a little Mexican dude okay and it was just the
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one male in that vehicle or did she see anyone else um he got into a pass um the passenger seat of the car
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okay he's hitting the chest he's got bullets in the chest and we're flipping him over cuz
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he's not hang on he's not breathing unfortunately Andrew would pass away within minutes even more unsettling is that the
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same car model would be seen at a local gas station later that night where everyone inside would happily buy snacks
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joke and laugh as if nothing had happened just hours prior the footage inside the gas station would identify
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the occupants of the vehicle as 19-year-old Alicia Valdez 20-year-old Caleb vigil and and 20-year-old Devon
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Howard Lopez while painting these three out to be Killers just based on their car make is clearly premature it's
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enough evidence for police to file a warrant for the arrest of the three suspects so they can bring them in for
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questioning to try and determine if the bunch had any involvement in Andrew's death what makes this case so
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interesting is the amount of blatant lies and misinformation that would come out during these interrogations you
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would think that at least one of the suspects would feel guilty and confess but everyone involved would fabricate
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their story and lie to lessen their perceived role in the crime but at this point the police have yet to apprehend
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any suspects their only lead is a lifeless body sprawled on the pavement and two shaken Witnesses who made the
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911 call police start by questioning Alexis the witness who called the cops remember this is an interview and not an
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interrogation as currently Alexis is considered a witness rather than a suspect but there is something susp
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icious about her that the detectives want to clarify 3 years earlier Alexis was charged as an accessory to murder after
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her boyfriend shot and killed one of his friends from the vehicle she was driving
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the detective leading the interview Nathan geis would discover this information during a brief preparation
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period prior to the interview and is curious as to if maybe she had more to do with Andrew's murder than she was
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letting on we pulled up we parked in the back parking lot my friend got out to go into
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the dispensary um sitting on my phone playing on Facebook heard the shot thought it was a firework for a second
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so I looked up and saw the victim um face down on the floor and the shooter there was a silver Pontiac in front of
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the victim um and the shooter was in front of the car still kind of standing by the victim's body with the gun point
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pointed at him um and then got back into the Pontiac on the passenger side they hesitated for a minute on which way
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they're going to pull off looked like they were trying not to hit him um they kind of looked around the parking lot to
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see if anyone saw it I was kind of trying to duck as much as possible I got out of the car once I saw that they were
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gone um ran up to him I said are you hit he said yes please help me called 911 let him know there was an ambulance on
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the way sounded like he was kind of crying he wasn't saying anything else after 2 minutes the crying stopped so
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went to check for a pulse there was no pulse big neck big neck right yeah take note of Alexis's posture when discussing
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the shooting she's leaned in towards the officer and seems comfortable showing little signs of resistance this language
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presents truthfulness on her behalf so it's unlikely she feels any guilt which likely means that her recollection of
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events is indeed accurate to what she believed happened so you hear nothing you first you that catches your
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attention as a shot okay are you familiar with guns that's what I'm want probation
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for um I was dating a guy for 3 weeks he asked for a ride um and Shan killed somebody at the king supers on Sheron
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Hampton 2015 so you've heard him get him go off yeah he was 5et in front of me on that
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one too you got some tremendous luck yeah did you get charge yeah accessory to a crime
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F4 how do this make you feel I don't know I mean it's it was hard I was glad I was able to react like that
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cuz I didn't react like that within M with my case at the same time I'm know my PO and everybody's probably going to
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chew my for it but he didn't die alone he knew somebody was there trying to help just being around it and being
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around the situation your fault no but any else was it going to go down no this interview clearly showcased the
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responses suspects make when dealing with discomfort we could physically see her subtle movement patterns and how
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they coincided with certain emotions Alexis was feeling her body language makes sense she felt uncomfortable while
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discussing her own criminal history which is completely reasonable however when discussing a crime she had no part
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in her demeanor changed significantly with an open posture and willingness to answer every question and with this we
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should be now more prepared to analyze the interrogation of a less innocent suspect later on in this video following
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this interview police would continue their hunt to find the whereabouts of the three inside the suspected vehicle
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and it wouldn't take them long at all just a few hours later at 4:00 a.m. an officer spotted a vehicle closely
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resembling the one described by Alexis driving recklessly and pulled it over it quickly became clear that this was no
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ordinary traffic [Applause] stop hi ma'am hi hey officer Lloyd D police you can't turn left there oh I I
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can't no it says there's a big sign up there it says do not turn left that's you don't have a front plate either is
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it up in the window yeah cuz um my uh thing is broken so I got to get a new one to actually hold it the bracket yeah
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gotcha okay do you have your license registration insurance man there there's those okay there you
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go Alicia about this Alicia got to have you step out for a second don't grab anything with you okay
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just step on out for me put your hands behind your back you got a warrant okay why why do you have a
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warrant you probably know that better than I do but we're going to do some research and tell you exactly what it is
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yeah they put out a felony warn out for you a felony warn yeah yep do you have anything on you I need to know about I
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don't okay all right you want to watch them I'll Pat him down real quick I'm just
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going to set you down in the curb okay you just put your wall on the top man I'll give it back to you in a second
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here okay go and just put them right behind you're not in trouble you're not going to jail you're not getting
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arrested right now all right let's get patch it down real quick then you can put your phone in your pocket same thing
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as your partner you're not going to jail you're not getting handcuffed I'm just doing this for while you're going to be
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sitting behind us okay okay anything in your hood or in your pockets you know about no perfect
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okay you can go have a seat with him okay is your gold phone [Music] [Applause] okay at this very moment the officer
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would discover a pistol inside the vehicle Caleb had just stated there were no guns inside the vehicle just minutes
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earlier so the officer quickly places Caleb under arrest so they can safely investigate this increasingly tense
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situation stand up man stand up try with mag back you're not going to tell me there's
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a gun in the seat next to you what you weren't going to tell me that you're going to try to leave a gun
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on the seat when you left that'd be nice to know would oh and a pocket full of bullets how about this I'm about to get
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out the car officer I have a gun on me right what's that one more person yeah they're all
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they're all hooked did you let them know that this is in the car what is it uh SCCY 9 mil
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all four would be arrested following the discovery of Caleb's pistol however throughout the entire process Alicia the
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owner of the car would stay eerily optimistic as as if she hadn't yet connected the dots that her arrest was
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related to Andrew's murder just stay right there for let's have a seat over here on this
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black chair if you could possibly find rest I really appreciate it too now that the suspects have finally been secured
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detectives would begin the process of individually interrogating all four suspects with separate preparation and
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planning made for each interrogation and attempts to get as many differing stories and general information as
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possible they would begin with Alicia Valdez who was allegedly the driver of the vehicle they sit her in an open room
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with a large TV to her left and a digital clock behind this is drastically different from the cold empty room seen
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earlier in this video this is done purposefully this room is meant to feel welcoming and open the table creates a
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subconscious comforting barrier between the suspect and the detectives something
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that's absent in many more aggressive interrogations the objective is to get Alicia to feel comfortable and willing
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to speak to the detectives remember at this point Alicia knows very little about what evidence the cops have she
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has no idea that everything was recorded on CCTV and they know that her car was there the plan is to set a trap that
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prevents Alicia from denying that she was at the scene so the more willing she is to talk at the beginning the better
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that's why they start the questioning off lightly but it'll ramp up in no time at all yeah just have a SE right
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there want some water thank you okay it's over here if you want it okay than you you all right cold yeah that was
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nice earlier yeah the detectives offer her water to immediately try to appear friendly and form a bond people are much
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more likely to tell a friend something than they are a stranger so this is an extremely important step you'll notice
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this friendly demeanor slowly fades and changes as the interrogation continues yeah where do you live at um
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right now kind of bit of everywhere okay um in my car in your car okay keep this
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fact in mind for later on in the interrogation as the detectives will use it to prove she was at the scene later
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on we're in the car with you today it's your car right how long have you own that car um I've had that car
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for I believe about six months so six months about You' owned it where did you get it I bought it from a public auction
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down in Colorado Springs okay okay so you have keys to the car mhm have you given your key keys to anybody else no
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the only ones that were they're the ones that were in the car okay so when you bought the car there was one set of keys
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mhm and then um I had another maid but they're together they're on the same okay this is a simple question and it
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should have a definitive answer based on what she just said the fact that the only two keys are in her possession
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there's no reason for her to be unsure who has access to the car she's deflecting so you say you've been kind
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of homeless here recently mhm okay living out of that TR yeah yeah where else have you been St um sometimes with
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um with um gentleman in the yellow I mean not yellow green out there Caleb mhm okay talk about who else was in the
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car with your time um my boyfriend and uh another young woman I don't know who's your boyfriend
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um de where'd you meet him uh mitual friends okay if you haven't noticed already Alicia is extremely nervous
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we're 10 minutes into this interview and her leg hasn't stopped bouncing up and down the entire time she's also been
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moving around in her chair and avoiding eye contact while answering very simple questions even without the evidence that
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they'd already collected beforehand the detectives would likely already be convinced that she played a part in what
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happened now it's just about exploiting these weaknesses and extracting a confession using everything they know
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and the process starts by establishing a timeline who are the other two people in
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the car um Caleb uh I I met him through mutual friends too I haven't really known him
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that long what about the girl do you know her name I have no idea who who she is when did you meet her just tonight
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where did you pick her up at I don't know cuz I don't know Denver like that where were you at before you
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left to go pick um this girl up C was um Devon W uh there with you mhm so you were a few hours at Caleb's house and
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then Caleb asked you to go pick this girl up is that right mhm okay and you picked her up and you were headed back
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to Caleb's house when the police stopped you I we were headed we were headed back
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but I um I spped at the 7-Eleven down the street which 7 get some drinks um one off of cax and a okay the detectives
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now have a story that Alicia is locked into meaning that if anything she says contradicts this they'll know she's
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lying and they can use it to trap her to put on more pressure Alicia however is playing a game of her own and trying her
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best to dodge questions and hide certain details from the cops but she's fighting
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a losing battle and the cops know it how long you been staying at Caleb's house um not really a lot um I'm just
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trying to get a sense of like every other night every night you know um five nights a week what just
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give me an idea maybe like one to two nights one to two nights a week what were you doing
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today before you went over to the Caleb's house um mainly just hanging out with my boyfriend he's trying to keep me
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distracted off today well because of them MH that's we all have stuff like that I
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know yeah okay so where were you hanging out at um really just everywhere driving
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driving but that was about it okay relax it's okay no I'm fine I'm just tired okay but Alicia is all too
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aware that the final thing they did last night is exactly what police want to know about and she absolutely cannot
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bring it up you stayed anywhere else since you come to Denver other than Caleb's or your
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car um I stayed at this one girl's house I don't remember her name like I said I
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met her through uh mutual friends um but those friends that I did meet her through no longer really in contact with
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okay how long ago was that you stayed at her house a week ago a week or something
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ago Devon stay with you at her house too mhm yeah he with me all the time this is
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an extremely important statement if they can confirm that either Devon or Alicia
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was at the scene of the crime they'll be able to lock both of them into it the detective immediately realizes the
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importance of this and forces her to double down on her statement now has Devon been with you the entire time uh
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since you've been here in Denver and since you and you he stayed with you at her house MH and he's been staying with
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you uh in your car or at Caleb's this whole time up until tonight M Okay so so has Devon been in the car with you every
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time you've been out in the car I believe so is now on top of the information from before the detectives
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know that wherever her car was both her and Devon had to have been there too this is where the second stage of
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the interrogation begins they're aware she's guilty have an extremely detailed timeline of events and know she's
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feeling extremely uncomfortable now the plan is simple they want her to give up as much information about the actual
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murder and the other suspects as possible so they can easily implicate everyone else that's waiting for their
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interrogation so the detectives take a short break when they sit back down they plan
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to switch gears completely they're going to heavily apply the pressure and attempt to extract a full confession
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thank you for this is uh pretty apparent to me you're being truthful about things and it's also apparent that
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there's some stuff you don't want to talk about but we've been sitting here talking for a
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while I genuinely like you I think you're a good kid well to me you're a kid uh well I mean I am a kid yeah
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you're younger than my daughter okay you're up here from the Springs you've had some stuff in your life but now
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you're up here in Denver hanging with these guys that uh you got you know some history some rough history not your kind
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of History right you're kind of out of your element up here all right I don't know that you got yourself into trouble
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other than the people you're hanging with but these other people have gotten you into a lot of
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trouble who Caleb for one he got me in a lot of trouble you just told me we spent here
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spent a long time um we were very clear that no one else has been driving your car for the last week MH okay that you
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and Devon or uh you and Devon and K would have been in your car there's a few random people
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you don't know but even when those random people were in the car you and Devon are in the car mhm and that you
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stay with that um pretty much okay it's a common tactic to give a suspect an excuse for
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what they've done in this case the detective says he genuinely believes she's a good kid and has just been swept
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along in what's happened it's likely he'll also tell her at some point soon that if she helps them out they might be
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able to give her much lighter sentence it's also important to note that he's still trying to keep a friendly demeanor
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to her and the reason for this hasn't changed if he starts to get angry at her now she might become closed off and
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refuse to tell them anything if anything he's even trying to seem fatherly choosing to mention his daughter and
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calling her a kid something that could even be a response to her saying her father passed away when she was younger
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however all of this is leading up to something they're finally going to reveal why she's really there and
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exactly what they know so I remember the day that it was raining it was snowing real bad weather that was
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Friday mhm that night the night before all that snow and rain mhm you remember where you were
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that night say I could not tell you okay you remember being in a dark parking lot
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that night okay look at me you're your car at the scene of a murder someone got out of
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your car shot someone and killed them got back into your car and drove away you just told me that you were driving
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your car all week you need to tell me the truth uh I honestly I don't recall you
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don't recall I don't we have it on video I know that the person who shot this guy
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is a guy I know it wasn't you I know it was your car you tell me you're the only
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one driving your car so you were driving the car I mean yeah but uh I don't I don't recall being in wherever you're
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saying I was picture yourself in this situation if You' just been told that police
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believe you were at the scene of the crime would your first response be I don't recall anybody innocent would be
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shocked to hear this information and do everything they could to clear their name and distance thems from the crime
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Alicia was is there and now the detectives are more certain of this than ever and they're starting to get
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frustrated honestly you need to be honest with me here I no you're not I do know you were driving the
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car now driving the car could make you an accessory to murder if you're going to sit here and
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tell me you don't remember no no one in the world no one you put yourself in my position okay I know you were driving
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the car I know your car was there cuz I got video of it put yourself in my position do you
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think anybody in the world is going to believe that you don't remember that I don't know I just like I said I I drive
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everywhere and yeah you would have remembered this though this is a chilling line from the
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detective and you can clearly see it almost startles Alicia the sight of that man being shot will be burned into her
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mind and being so clearly reminded of it would be jolting to say the least in fact the detectives didn't even realize
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exactly how traumatizing it might have been until just moments later tonight uh Caleb had a gun on him mhm did you know
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he had a gun on him um no cuz I don't just Pat everybody down and comes my well you you know he
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owns a gun right you're staying at his place you drive with him every day not every day well I mean so he probably
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carries a gun with him for protection in the parts of town well really I don't I don't really like
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seeing guns I don't really like around guns only because of what happened to my dad have you seen him with a gun before
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um not really no cuz I don't pay attention what happened to your dad with a gun um he was murdered he was murdered
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okay with a gun so this is probably pretty traumatic for you seeing someone murdered with a gun I did not see
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anybody happened right in front of your car I said I don't recall notice how quickly
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the detective hones in on her father's murder and how similar that may have been to this incident he's looking for
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any opening to make her feel uncomfortable and guilty and as horrible as it may sound this is about as good as
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you can get so the detectives take one last break to think about their final move
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and come back with the last and possibly most damning piece of evidence of [Music]
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all want more water or something you been on the other side of this hav you your dad you've been on the
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other side of this whole thing hav you what does that mean I mean you got a family member
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murdered so you've seen the other side of this well not really um not really they let the the man that did
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it go away they did how'd that feel did they catch him and no not they let him go I mean the way I see it
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left go ahead and live it no that's not all right you don't believe that when you got stopped tonight there was a gun
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in your car mhm did you see the gun that they took out of your car I didn't see it no you didn't see it but they took a
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gun out of your car okay that was the gun that was used to murder this man and prove that too that's an easy
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one the gun that was in your car you sure it was oh I'm sure it was yes I can prove
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that that's easy the bullet that we dug out of this man's chest at the autopsy came from that gun that just came out of
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your car that's a fact too your car was in the parking lot where he was shot you tell me how did the gun that
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murdered a man get into your car I don't know the detectives get very little other information out of her from
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this point onwards but they've already gotten more than enough they've heavily implicated her in the crime and it
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sounds as though Devon had to have been there with her too it's at this point that we'll take a break from the
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suspect's interrogation as unfortunately ly convicting the criminals is only one
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half of these officers jobs and while all of this is going on another team of detectives and officers are tasked with
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the brutal job of breaking the news of Andrew's death to his family Andrew's girlfriend Jessica was the only one
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awake so in the middle of the night she'd get a knock on the door from a group of detectives all right Jessica
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well I appreciate you answering my questions um so I have some I I have some news for you it's not I I'm just
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going to come out and say it um Andrew's dead you're joking I'm not joking Andrew
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is dead what happened um he was uh he was shot and he died um in the parking lot
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oh my God have you guys already informed his mom or anything you're you're the first
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person I was able to get a hold of and I know that this is hard to hear oh my God
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this clip is devastating as it seems like Jessica had absolutely no idea of any of the events that transpired
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earlier that night as far as she was aware Andrew was simply going out to get them barbecue dinner however as sad as
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this is detectives have to consider the possibility of Andrew having some sort of connection to the group for all they
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know this could have been a drug deal gone wrong or some other illegal activity that caused the shoo
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with this in mind detectives would bring Jessica to the station where they could
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conduct a formal interview to determine if Andrew had any prior connection to the group that killed him while
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preparing for the interview a strange Discovery would be made police were given an anonymous tip that Jessica's
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own brother had been planning to kill Andrew the two had supposedly a recurring issue with one another that
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had gotten progressively worse this is awfully coincidental and something detectives need to get to the bottom of
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my brother just saw on the news they just put it on the news oh did they yeah okay and then I saw the
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picture of him on there okay I bet that was pretty rough so I received information uh going
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back a year maybe two years your brother had had uh threatened Andrew yeah ver uh
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he didn't threaten him directly it was indirectly to me meaning I was driving him to work one morning and we were
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having a fight and that's when he really unnerved me so I told Andrew and then Andrew wanted to take it to the police
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and the police said your best option would be just to move away from the situation so we did what was said that I
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mean it was obviously fairly egregious if basically it was just probably something to effect I'll just take him
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out too what do you think he meant by that I mean well the first thought to my head is to kill him you know taking
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someone El while these comments from Jessica's brother are disturbing Jessica doesn't seem too bothered by it now but
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at the time they took it seriously enough to move houses just to get away from him but the detective can't just
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take Jessica's word for this luckily there are some simple ways that he might be able to prove if he was involved or
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not what kind of card is your brother dve a Pathfinder what color is that green like
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a dark Forest Queen does your brother have access to Firearms or anything like that he's not allowed to why not he has
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charges like against him for past stupidity okay and I don't know all those crimes cuz I didn't bother to try
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to talk to him about them the description of his cars don't match up with the one on CCTV at all and if he's
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not allowed access to any Firearms then it's very unlikely that he was their guy
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however before they wrap up the interview Jessica asks a final devastating question can I just ask you
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one question sure Andrew can I ask you like kind of like where he was shot just because um his mom told me
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that um when he was shut the witness who saw it ran to him and stayed with him until he passed he was uh he was shot in
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the chest okay yeah deserve that at all no nobody deserves that so from all accounts from what you've
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been saying it seems like he was a very good very good guy y this question echoed in the detective's heads for the
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rest of this case it really seemed seemed like Andrew was a nice peaceful man who was brutally killed that night
00:31:33
detectives would go on to interview Jessica's brother as well and managed to fully clear his name as a suspect Caleb
00:31:40
Devon and Alicia had no connection to Andrew this was a coldblooded murder this case had just taken a far more
00:31:49
Sinister turn and detectives had to find Justice for not only Andrew but for the
00:31:55
rest of his family after Alicia's interrogation they would bring in Caleb the man who
00:32:01
they at this point believe actually pulled the trigger but Caleb wasn't planning on making things easy his
00:32:08
interrogation lasts Just 4 minutes but opens up an entirely new side to this investigation filled with dozens of
00:32:16
shocking New pieces of evidence all sparked by just one tiny thing that he said all right
00:32:25
Caleb it's been a long night huh yeah Caleb I'm detective John me I'm detective here with Denver and I'm going
00:32:36
to talk to you about your traffic stop your friends and the gun that you had on you tonight what's your home address
00:32:42
Caleb 1548 if you want to talk to me about what happened your answer is yes if you
00:32:48
don't want to talk to me you should say no out way okay the interrogation ended here but
00:32:59
unbeknownst to Caleb he gave away a crucial piece of evidence his address and it took police no time at all to
00:33:06
obtain a search warrant police open up the door police open the door sir sir show hands step up who else is in
00:33:24
here nobody do sir I don't live here this is not my house this is friend's house on my IA if
00:33:31
you're in here make yourself know do it now Police Department come up come out with your hands
00:33:38
up that was one of Caleb's friends and he's one of the three keys inside this apartment that would unlock the case for
00:33:46
the detectives the second was this giant stock of 9 mm bullets that perfectly match the bullet found lodged inside
00:33:54
Andrew's body and if that wasn't damning enough there was one more piece of evidence inside that was the most
00:34:01
shocking of all but the police hadn't even realized it yet instead they wanted to have a quick conversation with the
00:34:07
man they found inside it seems that Caleb was known to this guy as Modello and Devon as silencio often friends of
00:34:16
suspects like this tend to keep their mouths shut out of trust but this time well see for yourself Adel got out of
00:34:23
the car I guess to go mug this dude with a gun dude dropped the wallet on the ground Del unloaded into somebody I
00:34:31
guess um whoever was in the car I guess Ceno just told me that uh they saw him get back up or whatever and they ran him
00:34:38
over as they drove off that's all I knew this was everything detectives could have asked for but what came next was
00:34:45
their most haunting discovery of all inside Caleb's house was a receipt from 7-Eleven dated just minutes after the
00:34:53
murder proving that Caleb Devon and Alicia were in indeed the ones laughing at the gas station after the murder all
00:35:02
of these events transpired over 24 hours but police had left out one crucial suspect Devon AKA silencio and it was
00:35:11
for good reason police knew Devon was desperate to keep his girlfriend Alicia from getting charged so if they could
00:35:18
use that against him they might be able to get him to admit to the murders the mounting pressure on Devon became so
00:35:24
intense that he started confessing to other crimes robberies he had committed in the past I'll tell you straight up me
00:35:30
and Caleb together have done crimes before okay what you're about to witness is a 21-year-old talking himself into
00:35:38
over 300 years in prison yeah Devin do you go by Devon yeah I'm probably going to screw that up
00:35:48
so if I do I apologize right know worry about so Devon like I said my name is Mark Spurgeon I'm an investigator at the
00:35:54
Jefferson County District Attorney's Office you know Nate right right you know we're both cops yep okay um from my
00:36:02
it's been my understanding that uh when they made contact with you this afternoon that you were willing to talk
00:36:09
to talk to us again is that true to an extent yeah okay to an extent okay I just like to start make sure you
00:36:18
understand your rights because one of the things I don't want to do in this room is violate your rights you had
00:36:21
these rights and I think they're important to you so you know where you're at yeah well kind
00:36:30
of all right I know this sounds stupid I want to make sure you understand what we're doing where you at some police
00:36:37
station okay all right what state in Colorado who's the president Trump the detectives are being
00:36:46
perhaps even more careful at the beginning of this interrogation than they were in Alicia's they want to
00:36:51
confirm that Devon is of sound mind right now leaving the defense absolutely no opportunity to invalidate this piece
00:36:58
of evidence in court they can't leave any room for error because they know he's likely only here for one reason to
00:37:06
confess come into this investigation somewhat late so I kind of want to start out and ask you why are we sitting in
00:37:14
this room why are we here fill me in I was involved in murder of some somebody okay that's why that's
00:37:34
why so tell me about it cuz there the reason that you want to talk about it right I just want to get my girl out of
00:37:41
trouble cuz she had nothing to do with it all right like I said I come in late to this who's your girl
00:37:49
Elia the detective's plan worked perfectly he's here to tell the cops everything in hopes that he can maybe
00:37:56
get his girlfriend out of trouble but you can still clearly see how uncomfortable with this he is as soon as
00:38:01
he's asked why he's here he goes from sitting perfectly still to dancing around in his chair searching his
00:38:07
pockets and leaning back away from the detectives it doesn't matter if he thinks this is the right thing to do he
00:38:14
still knows he's being checkmated and he's about to sentence himself to a lifetime in jail you want to get her out
00:38:21
of trouble yeah all right she had nothing to do with it she's not a criminal she ain't even been to jail
00:38:26
before now okay was she there yeah she didn't know anything was going to happen though she have any hand
00:38:33
in there at all okay I was driving and you know you can feel I'm sure you already have like I said I'm coming into
00:38:41
this new I learned about this literally this morning they asked me to come in and and
00:38:48
kind of assist so that's what I'm doing do me a favor walk me through because if
00:38:53
you want to get her out of out of the situation she in she's in I understand I expect that but I need to know what
00:38:59
happened so walk me through it we were driving around honestly for nice having fun driving around having fun yeah we
00:39:05
like to drive it's fun we listen to music then we got had up pull into this parking
00:39:13
lot and then from there I don't really feel like I need to be going why not cuz you guys already
00:39:21
have pretty much everything figured out you guys know who you guys know she did not pull the trigger okay that's what
00:39:28
matters I'm trying I'm just here to get hurt out of trouble I'm not here to get anyone us in trouble except for myself
00:39:33
obviously right um all I can tell you is no one knew that the shooting was going
00:39:40
to happen it was not planned so it wasn't planned hell no wasn't plan who plans on driving to a parking lot
00:39:46
shooting some random white guy were you planning on robbing him like I said I wasn't plan on doing was Caleb planning
00:39:54
on Robin like said I'm not going to speak on that this is one of the detec I leading theories about what happened
00:39:59
they don't necessarily believe that they planned on murdering Andrew they think that this was more likely a robbery gone
00:40:06
wrong they intended to just steal Andrew's money but ended up freaking out shooting him and running him over to
00:40:14
ensure he couldn't turn them into the cops what makes you guys go at go at this kid who the victim the kid that die
00:40:22
he's not a kid he's 27 but right he is to me true well like I said I didn't know the mother I didn't know I don't
00:40:30
know I wouldn't plan on anything happening to him I didn't know G to happen to this guy when something went
00:40:36
off I drove off okay what happens we need to know what happens well everyone knows you got shot yeah I know that but
00:40:46
I'm trying to figure out who shot him and I need somebody to tell me that well that's not I'm not going to tell you
00:40:51
anything cuz I'm sure you guys already know and if you guys can't figure that out then there's some issues could well
00:40:56
let me ask you this she didn't shoot you know she didn't pull trigger I told you I was driving
00:41:01
right I mean mean can put the rest together it's not up to me but I guess I'm trying to understand is why I'm
00:41:07
trying to understand a motive I don't know I told you none of us do that happened I'm sitting in the damn car mhm
00:41:14
so I obviously don't know anything that's going to happen you drive him there you put him in that
00:41:18
lot unfortunately that's how it looks that is how it happened yeah it's nothing I'm telling you nothing was
00:41:25
plann let me ask you this were you just thinking of was Caleb or do you even know was Caleb
00:41:29
trying just to rip off get some money and bad we're not at this point it's obvious that
00:41:38
Devon's lawyer will have told him clearly not to discuss anything that doesn't relate directly to Alicia he's
00:41:44
only going to talk about anything that might help get her out of trouble it's also at this point that the detective
00:41:50
realizes that he knows that he's not going to get anything out of Devon beyond that so that's when he decides to
00:41:55
do something extremely clever he's going to abuse the fact that Devon only wants
00:42:00
to get Alicia out of trouble and phrase his next question in a way that forces him to give up some Vital Information
00:42:08
I'm not going to speak on what like anything else besides meia let me ask you this did you guys talk about
00:42:15
it what do you mean did you guys talk about it did you and Caleb say hey this is what we're thinking about cuz I'm
00:42:20
trying to figure out did Alicia is she the one planning this Alicia had nothing to any of this so help me understand me
00:42:29
I'll tell you straight up me and Caleb together have done crimes before okay I'm worried about this
00:42:35
one this one right [Music] here this supposed to go like that how was it supposed to
00:42:46
go like said I don't see need to get in all that it's not going to benefit me or
00:42:50
her poliy or him well right now we're still trying to figure out her role and if we can listen to me if we can explain
00:42:57
her role and only there's only two people that can explain her role you and Caleb Caleb ain't talking to us without
00:43:04
us understanding the specifics of how this went down and if her involvement or what her involvement was in that with
00:43:10
some expl that we can go back to a DA and say hey this is what's going on this person was honest she didn't know was
00:43:18
going to go down but I've got to know that but I've got to understand how God planned that you understand I have to
00:43:24
have some type of specifics to try to sell that if you want to try to help her help her
00:43:30
put simply if Devon wants to get Alicia out of trouble and pro she didn't plan the murder he'll have to tell them
00:43:36
exactly who did Solving the case for them on the spot he's been checkmated because no matter what story he tells
00:43:42
them from this point out they've got the evidence to prove or disprove it their entire plan was just to get him to talk
00:43:49
and that's exactly what they've done now it's finally time they heard the truth that's why I'm irritated about this cuz
00:43:56
I know this F in the bottom did you see the confrontation go down between Caleb and this guy looked like the white dude
00:44:02
was attacking the other person honestly but I saw the end of it right before the
00:44:07
dude got shot do you remember when you say the white dude was attacking the other guy right could you describe it to
00:44:13
me look like they were squared up and the white dude was rushing other guy let me ask you if I stood up would you show
00:44:18
me hm if I stood up and I'm the white dude would you show me or you be let me be the shooter you be the white dude
00:44:26
would you do that yeah so I understand it give me the vision so if you're the other dude the
00:44:33
white dude so I'm the other guy right white do on a b like this and he look like he
00:44:38
squared up started running toward him okay what's this guy doing running backwards that's going to h a gun shot
00:44:43
all right do you remember stand up again for me so how close are they come to me
00:44:50
where probably about this maybe a little further okay and then that's when I heard a gun shot go off and the white
00:44:56
dude rushing them so so the right d is closing that Gap yeah so come do they ever get right on top of each other so
00:45:04
there's always a distance yeah so about boths so right about both okay dude the white dude have anything
00:45:13
in his hand I couldn't see I saw the last interview I wasn't really looking for details I was kind of confused on
00:45:19
what was going on okay all right this guy not the white dude the other guy hands together hands apart
00:45:28
he's kind of like well he was standing like this trying to tell the dude to back up okay and that's when the white
00:45:34
dude kept rushing I'm assuming maybe he Tred to reach with a gun I don't know okay but that's when the shot goes was a
00:45:39
gun in the right hand then I can't remember okay but he had one hand up and the other hand back yeah that is that
00:45:44
right yeah okay getting a suspect to act out an incident is a great way of proving they actually knew what happened
00:45:52
they may be able to match the movements to the CCTV footage or witness accounts and a defense team will have a hard time
00:45:57
arguing that anything here could be misinterpreted from what Devon is saying it seems as though there was a struggle
00:46:03
between Caleb and Andrew where the shooter approached Andrew who quickly tried to defend himself it's becoming
00:46:08
increasingly obvious that this was intended to be a robbery but when Andrew tried to fight back it turned into a
00:46:14
murder in the blink of an eye so when these guys are in your windshield are they across from each other like you're
00:46:21
looking at the sides of each other they're like this position kind of like this would you drw for me the the white
00:46:27
dude I can't draw but the white dude standing they're both standing white dude's closer to me they kind of like
00:46:33
this all right so you're the driver right white dude's closer to the front of the car yeah kind of he's all right
00:46:40
so if you're looking are you looking at his back you looking at his sides looking at his front kind of kind of
00:46:45
like that yeah like this where's the other guy right about where he is I'm K where where's that you have where's the
00:46:52
other guy they're like they're like that literally and then but it's it's a little more way and I'm a little more
00:46:57
back so this way yeah what are you seeing at this guy his front I'm not paying attention to him I'm paying
00:47:03
attention to this guy okay and you think you see him kind of Rush no he did Rush
00:47:09
okay so he rushes but not to the point where they're on top of each other no they didn't get they they didn't get it
00:47:15
the other person was backpedaling okay so this person's moving back arm up they being
00:47:21
backpedaling the whole time that's when the shot goes off okay tell me where kaleb's arms are at how he I'm I'm not
00:47:28
even saying it was here again it sounds as though as soon as Andrew realized he was being robbed he started to go on the
00:47:35
offensive forcing Caleb backwards according to Devon he then tried rushing Caleb which scared Caleb into shooting
00:47:42
him they're slowly closing in on the truth here but not quite there yet which is why they're still trying to play some
00:47:48
tricks on Devon to try and get everything out of him Devon hasn't admitted that the shooter was Caleb but
00:47:53
notice how the detectives are consistently naming him as the shooter throughout the story they're trying to
00:47:58
get Devon to go along with it and agree or accidentally admit it himself but he's not slipping up however the
00:48:04
detectives are Relentless and don't stop trying for another hour of tireless interrogation it's then that Devon
00:48:12
finally makes a mistake goes on what else you guys talk about you I can't remember all that like
00:48:19
you it's not work on memory memorizing no not being care about her it had to be a emotional conversation not really I
00:48:27
mean I mean like don't get me wrong I mean I don't know the dude so I mean it's [ __ ] up they just die cuz I don't
00:48:34
know him I don't know who he is what he what kind of person he is or any of that
00:48:37
but it didn't really strike me emotionally cuz I don't I have that many emotions for I used to do much much so
00:48:44
like this doesn't really I mean I don't really have many emotions about it except for I'm pissed that he's in jail
00:48:51
for us I'm pissed that he died of course cuz I know the guy I was pissed about that was Caleb
00:48:59
pissed was Caleb pissed yeah he just shot somebody imagine you're in this position
00:49:08
you're trying to hide the facts that your friend shot an innocent man but the detectives have been taking that fact
00:49:14
for granted for the past 2 hours they've been using his name asking questions about details and refusing to accept the
00:49:22
fact that it might not have been him eventually you would internally ize this idea and forget that you even need to
00:49:30
lie that's what just happened here and it's why Devon barely even realizes that he's just confirmed that Caleb was in
00:49:39
fact the shooter of course there were mountains of evidence against him anyway but now they have it straight from the
00:49:45
source and a conviction will be easy the detectives now only have one last question was this really an accident or
00:49:52
had they planned this out as a murder from minute one you remember what he said is he panicked Oliver's kind of panicked
00:50:01
cuz like I said I didn't see it coming I don't like unexpected things like this happening because of this situation
00:50:06
exactly I mean look at me now in here for ACC murder that I didn't see this coming I mean if I do something
00:50:14
it's going to be planned out and it's going to get done correctly so I'm not in this situation that's why I was kind
00:50:19
of pissed and I was panick because I didn't see anything this about thaten so let me ask you this if this is your deal
00:50:26
and this is this is your plan you say you you're playing the robber and you've done we've already talked about that I'm
00:50:30
not asking when dates when just this is your your you're doing it's not going to
00:50:36
be random like this it's going to be planned out oh yeah and it's not be on a random person usually so what Cale this
00:50:42
other person we're calling would did pretty amateur hour right huh it's pretty amateur what what just Happ yeah
00:50:49
yeah like I said it wasn't even planned so I mean you can't even I don't think amateur be the right word just random it
00:50:56
wasn't supposed to happen 98% of the time I rob somebody they're not it's not random people which is why I'm irritated
00:51:04
about this whole situation cuz I don't know who the hell this guy was except for what the news said but the news
00:51:08
always makes any white dude who dies look like a peach so I don't know but that's why I'm irritated about this cuz
00:51:15
I don't know this food nothing about him Devon's main point ended up being that if he had planned the murder then they
00:51:21
simply wouldn't have caught him so it had to have been a spur of the- moment decision but the detectives didn't buy
00:51:26
it and in fact this approach actually made things exponentially worse for Devon the interrogation ended shortly
00:51:33
after but the detectives decided to do some further research into these other robberies they ended up connecting him
00:51:39
and Caleb to multiple other serious incidents including the robbery of a cell phone store the very next day and
00:51:45
an incident where they fired shots into a pregnant woman's home it was clear that they had been planning multiple
00:51:51
robberies and were using Caleb's gun as a method of intimidation to make money and as you could imagine this didn't
00:51:58
look good in court for any of them Devon received the highest sentence he was found guilty on 18 counts including
00:52:05
first-degree murder attempted murder aggravated robbery and aggravated intimidation of a witness he was
00:52:11
sentenced to life in prison plus 279 years Caleb also received a similar sentence of Life plus 118 years the
00:52:22
fourth passenger in the car eternity Lopez was also in interrogated but was found to be completely uninvolved she
00:52:30
was picked up after the murder so it seems like she was in the wrong place at the wrong time she was not charged with
00:52:36
the incident but possibly worst of all for Devon his efforts in the interrogation room failed to even help
00:52:43
Alicia get off any lighter she was also found guilty in the murder of Andrew jich and was sentenced to life in prison
00:52:50
without the possibility of parole