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All right. You nervous? I'm not opening this door. >> out here with Ms. Cassandra.
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>> [music] >> Officers have just arrived at the Getaway Motel of 28-year-old Cassandra
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[music] Douglas. For the last 24 hours, she and her brother have been on the run
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after three of their family members were found dead and burned in the desert. 99% this is either an animal or a
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person. Yeah. That looks like a human, dude. And as these local officers prepare to confront the primary suspect
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of the most important case they've ever worked on, nothing could prepare them for the horrifying discoveries they're
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about to make. Otero police, I don't want to sign. Make yourself known. This is a horrible
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nightmare. What are we looking at here? What are we looking >> You know, you tell me. This is one of
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the worst things that I've ever had to be involved with. It's a routine Friday afternoon at the
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Otero County Sheriff's Office when dispatch begins receiving a series of unusual 911 calls from a young man.
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Communications. Hi. Good morning. Um I'm hoping to file a police report [clears throat] and I might need some
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assistance doing so. Okay. And what's your first and last name? Kane Mayze. Okay. And tell me
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what's going on. I've been living abroad for the past 6 years and I found out that my father died last year shortly
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after Christmas. I have recently returned home. I'm living in New Mexico again and I was hoping to return to the
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family property. Since his passing, tons and tons of family possessions and property have all gone missing and have
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either been sold off, lost, or stolen and I'm looking to >> [music] >> reassume possession of the property, but
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there are people squatting in the house. Do you know who these people are? I do.
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I could give you first and last names, but not anything in much else. Kane goes on to clarify that the
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squatters inside his deceased father's property are actually family members, mainly his uncle Victor, [music] who
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allegedly took over the property and is living there with Kane's grandmother and
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his stepbrother. He also seemingly claims that his uncle Victor has sold off valuable assets, [music] including
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firearms and expensive jewelry belonging to his father. The dispatcher logs the information Kane provides and passes it
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along for legal follow-up. However, not long after this first contact, on a Monday morning in January 2025, Kane
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calls again, but this time it's for something strangely different. Dispatch. Hi there. Um I was calling because I'm
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wondering what would it take for me to request a wellness check on somebody? A welfare check on
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my grandmother, Mary Mayze. Okay. The sergeant is aware. They are on an emergency call right now. As soon as
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they are done, they will head up there to do a welfare check. Okay, excellent. Thank you, ma'am.
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You're welcome. A couple of hours after Kane requests a welfare check for his grandmother, Mary, he calls police again
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for the third time to share new updates. To the Otero Communications, you're on a
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recorded line. How can I help you? Hi. My name is Kane. I called earlier regarding the wellness
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So, Sergeant Nordquist is going to give you a call back. They have not responded
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there yet because they've been tied up with a warrant service where the person doesn't want to come out.
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>> No, that's okay. We stopped by on our way down and everything is locked up tight. That's why I was returning your
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call cuz you said if and that I should call you back. All right. And like I said, they're tied up
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with an emergency. Yes, sir. >> We got to worry about the officers and make sure they're safe.
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>> Yes. Thank you so much for understanding. I will Okay. I will let the sergeant know then. Following this
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latest call from Kane, the welfare check is officially canceled and officers are
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no longer dispatched to the property. At this point, the dispatcher has no reason
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to suspect anything other than some kind of family dispute and the situation appears to have resolved itself for now.
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In reality, something far more calculated is already in motion and the family involved will soon be implicated
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in a scheme that will lead detectives down one of the most twisted murder plots they've ever handled.
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That same Monday, a few hours after Kane's 911 calls, a man arrives at the police station in the afternoon with an
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oddly timed request. Hello, sir. Hey, how you doing? Doing well. Sergeant Nordquist. Mike Fledge.
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Mike, it's nice to meet you. How can I help you today? Okay. Well, my brother-in-law helps us take care of my
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my my mother-in-law. Okay. >> And he normally is very conscientious about showing up when
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he says he's going to show up and everything. Yeah. And we have this you know, we schedule him. We've been taking
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care of my mother-in-law for 7 years. Okay. >> She's 92 years old. So, anyway, we
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normally communicate quite a bit during the week and stuff, you know. So, >> [music]
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>> are you wanting to check on him or your your mother-in-law? >> No, on him. And he lives on Nogal. Yes. Yes, he And
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somebody somebody had called earlier. We were out busy, but someone had called in
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for a a welfare check, but they canceled us prior to us getting up there because
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they said whoever was, and I can go look and find the name, that said that house
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was locked up tight and then nobody was up there. The person Sergeant Nordquist is referring to is Mike's nephew-in-law,
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Kane Mayze, and it appears that both Mike and Kane are concerned about family members. Though the family dynamics are
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becoming tricky to keep up with for the sergeant, [music] Mike is about to make one thing about Kane crystal clear. Do
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you know a Kane Mayze? Yeah, I do know him. That's part of the problem. Okay. So, what's the problem there? Okay.
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Well, I think he's trying to trying to keep us from going over there. Look, the house is owned by his father.
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Yeah. Well, the owner of the house, okay, is Frank Barrera and he's deceased. Frank is deceased.
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>> Yeah. Victor, his brother, stayed was living with him along with Kane's grandmother and his stepbrother,
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Killian. As Mike continues explaining the complex family dynamics to the sergeant, one
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thing becomes clear. Three people are missing, all close relatives of Mike and Kane. But before Mike leaves, there's
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something serious he needs to warn the sergeant about. I'm going to get one of my deputies and
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we're going to go out to the address and see what we can see. See if we can find
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Okay, let me give you some heads-up. His dad had a lot of guns, Frank, before he died, and he taught Kane how to
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shoot. And when Kane came the other day, I didn't finish my story. Huh? When I pulled up there, okay, and I I I
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hollered out the window for a bit cuz I could The gate's closed, right? Yeah. Okay. And then a person comes to where I
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can see about this much of him, right? Up there. And I go, "Hey, Ben! Ben!" And he goes, "No, it's me, Kane."
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When he walks down to his patio, he's armed. I says, "Well, have you seen Victor?" He
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says, "No, nobody's up here." Okay. So, I think if I were you, I would look through the two guys
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because he I think he knows how to shoot and I don't know what if there were any like
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rifles and stuff like that where he could be Yeah. But anyway, so [clears throat] I
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had his phone number, but then after I had his phone number, he said, "Yeah, my phone number." He started texting. "Your
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grandmother's missing. Your uncle's missing. Your stepbrother's missing," right? And this is what he's talking to
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me about. He's a pathological liar, man. I think he's up to no good. I really do.
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You guys got to be really careful. He said he just got off the line with Sergeant Nordquist or North. He never He
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never called us. Cuz we never called or contacted him. It's becoming clear to the sergeant that
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something is off. Sensing this won't be a routine welfare check, Sergeant Nordquist takes note of Mike's concerns
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and prepares to head out to the house. What makes this case so unique isn't just the crime scene officers will soon
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walk into, but the way police have to piece it together using advanced forensics and strategic elicitation to
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cut through the lies. And as the investigation unfolds, this will prove to be one of the most resource-intensive
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investigation. Approximately an hour after talking to Mike, Sergeant Nordquist and a group of
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officers head to the property to conduct a welfare check. Based on Mike's previous concerns, officers approach the
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house cautiously in case they encounter Cain. I got an open open door. SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, if
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you're in there make yourself known. SHERIFF'S OFFICE. Stay here with search. Stay here with
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search. Got you. Yeah, I was going to say everything's stacked and piled. The door knob was locked on this.
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Literally when I went like that I was like the door just kept going I was like Puzzled by the home's disarray, officers
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leave after confirming no one is inside. With boxes stacked throughout the home and both of Victor's cars, the blue and
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green Subarus missing, officers assume the family may have moved out. In reality, the clutter wasn't accidental.
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It was intentionally staged to conceal evidence of foul play and it has done exactly that.
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None of that is apparent now, so Sergeant Nordquist calls Mike on the phone to update him on the situation.
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This is where the two men will slowly start to pick up on just how sketchy this whole ordeal is. Hello sir. So we
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went up to that address. So we cleared the residence, there was nobody inside. There's no vehicles matching the
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descriptions of the Subarus you gave on the property. So but there was no signs of a struggle, no signs of any foul play
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that we could determine. There were some boxes that appeared to be like being packed up, but other than that, that's
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all we got. >> is all three people were miss- that were staying there at the house, but
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definitely the [music] king of the kings is the kicker that you know he's the one
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that did all that. He called, got your name, and then he was able to send me that text saying that he spoke to you.
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And then he called back later and canceled the deal, right? Yes sir. And on the face of it it looks super
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sketchy, but there was no indication that we could see of any foul play or a struggle or anything
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>> yes sir. As the sergeant tries to reassure Mike, even he begins to wonder if the scene is hiding more than it
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appears. A few hours later that afternoon, Nordquist returns to the station and calls Cain trying to understand why he
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canceled the welfare check and why, most strangely, no one was inside the house.
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Hi, this is Sergeant Nordquist at the Sheriff's office. Is this Is this Mr. Mays? Yes sir, how are you? Uh the
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reason why I'm calling is in regards to you. Earlier this morning you had contacted our office to do a welfare
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check on a family member? That's correct. Who is that family member to you? It's my grandmother. Your
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grandmother? Uh who lives up there with with your grandmother at the 121 Nogal? That would be an uncle of
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mine and my brother. Do you have any information on them attempting to move anywhere? I was told that my brother and
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my grandmother are planning to move soon. So the reason why I'm calling is we went up to that address because Mr.
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Bloody stopped by. Um Yeah, he was the one who recommended that we give you guys a call. He seemed pretty upset. He
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was looking for Vic. So we went inside we went inside the residence to make sure that nobody was hurt or injured.
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Nothing was broken into, we didn't see any signs of struggle or any signs of foul play. Did you text Mr. Bloody at
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all today? I mentioned that we stopped by and I had given you guys a call and everything was okay. Who Who told you
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that everything was okay? Dispatch coordinator, I don't remember her name. Cuz the information that I got was that
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you called back and said you went up there and everything was okay. Correct. And what was in that text message to Mr.
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Bloody? That's what I'm confused with. Um I let him know that I had tried to call you and the dispatch officer said
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that you were tied up with it sounded like a pretty hostile situation. The way the text message
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reads was that you had made contact with me and I know for sure and you know for
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sure that that didn't happen. So that way it was it looked kind of weird. Naturally, Nordquist doesn't know what
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to make of Cain's message to Mike in which he seems to falsely claim to have spoken with the sergeant. Suspecting
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Cain is hiding something, Nordquist ends the call and immediately requests a search warrant for a second search of
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the house. While they wait for the warrant to be processed, all police can do now is hope the missing trio turns up
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safe. A hope that is far removed from the gruesome reality awaiting them just a few hours from now.
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Early on a Wednesday morning that week, around 10:00 a.m., something strange happens about 200 yards from the house
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where the trio vanished. A passerby takes notice and calls 911. 911, what's your emergency? Uh yeah, I'm calling you
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about there's a fire off into the into the mounds area. We I called before about 2 minutes ago. So
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>> We drove down the road to see if we could get a better view of the fire to help you guys out. Okay.
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Well, we have already sent out the fire department, so we will get units headed that way to see if they can locate.
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Yeah. Okay. I stood at the top of that road for a second, I'll be able to see it. We'll let him know.
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Shortly after the call, two deputies are dispatched to investigate the fire. Once
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they arrive at the reported location, one of them spots something disturbing in the distance. A burned, flipped over
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vehicle matching one of Victor's missing cars. We got tire tracks towards the direction
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I walked. Just follow the path. I got the vehicle, it's smoking. I got couple sets of shoe impressions, tire
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tracks, all that. 99% sure there was a page in us spinal cord um in here in this vehicle.
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Look right in here. Yeah. That looks like a human, dude. This thing's burnt hot. Yeah.
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Buffalo Slaters and his team is on the way. As officers look inside the car, they
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can see what appears to be the burned remains of three people, too badly damaged by the fire to identify them at
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the scene. Suspecting a homicide, they call in Sergeant Nordquist and it wouldn't take long for him to connect
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the dots. Sub, this might be this might be a Subaru that's that's a vehicle that
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they have unaccounted for yet. Look right here. Oh, for sure. You see it? It's right Do you see a Subaru anywhere?
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I'm good looking in here. Just given the circumstances, this actually might be a one of the missing
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people. >> What's that right there? I was looking at that, too. >> Oh yeah. That's a skull cap right there.
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Yep. That's by one of our missing people with the missing vehicle from up here. Huh? From up here? Yeah, I guess Brad he
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he suspects some guy named Cain killed most of his relatives that live here. And this vehicle I I think is a Subaru.
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Looks like it. >> really fresh, dude. There's more over here. He had to have put it out himself cuz it would have
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caught this whole place on fire. What officers are beginning to suspect is horrifying. Not only do the burned
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remains likely belong to the three missing individuals, but given how recent the fire is, the person
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responsible may have burned the bodies just hours ago and could still be within reach of police. So once the scene is
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secured and the bodies are sent for autopsy, a nationwide bolo is issued for Cain Mays. Although police now believe
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[music] they know what happened and who's responsible, they have no idea just how far beyond Cain this plot goes.
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There are more players involved, more targets, and a [music] multi-state homicide case that will exhaust every
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resource police have. >> You got to find him. We're afraid of him. There was one time I should have
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died. Probably should be dead twice. And he was so aggressive. I thought we were
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going to die. I thought he was going to shoot us on the property. More than 24 hours after the fire,
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officers remain unable to find or contact Cain, raising concerns that he may be on the run. But this is when the
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initial autopsy results come in, confirming what officers had feared all along. The burned victims [music] are
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Cain's close relatives, his uncle Victor Peria, his grandmother Mary Mouser, and
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his stepbrother Killian Mays. Beyond confirming their identities, the autopsy offers little actionable insight. At
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least one victim had a confirmed gunshot wound to the head, but the other remains
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were too severely burned to identify all injuries. Investigators surmise that the
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victims were likely incapacitated well before the fire was set. Following these horrific findings, they
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begin digging deeper into their main suspect's background. It turns out Cain Mays had been living in Canada and
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working as an engineer until just a few months earlier and had several documented domestic incidents involving
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his wife. Hoping she may know where her husband is, officers reach out to Cain's
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wife on the phone where they'll find out she might know far more than that. Hello, my name's Justin Mitchell. I'm a
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detective with the Otero County Sheriff's office in New Mexico. Are you Samantha? Yes, I am. I had a feeling I
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might receive a call from you at some point since I did give you guys a call. Yes, ma'am. You want to tell me from the
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beginning like how you met him and your relationship with him. I've actually been speaking to the Ontario Provincial
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Police because I thought he was messing with me like I mentioned. So, I'm also filing a case against him right now, but
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because it's Canadian and now he's an American, who knows if that's going to But he was he was a physically violent
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with me and I have evidence of it. Yeah, we just met playing video games online and we started an online relationship
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and for a few years it was just basically we would talk and then one day he calls me up and says that his father
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disowned and he needs to move here right away. He'd always been verbally towards me and just in general he had a
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weird attitude towards things. Eventually we moved out. Brace yourself for this one because I I feel bad that I
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didn't come forward. Told people that he had beaten me and now this has happened.
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I'm going to I'm going to be honest with you. Like we both had an alcohol problem, but
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I never drank before I met him and he definitely like pushed that on me and he he pressured me to drink a lot. Like
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there was always a pressure. He wanted me to do it. He just did start hitting me. He did start getting violent with
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me. Probably should be dead twice. Samantha's statements are nothing short of horrifying, but even worse she would
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share a terrifying recording with detectives captured during one of the numerous domestic incidents [music]
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involving Cain. You won't let me go. And I do everything when you ask. I'll let you go.
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I don't need to do that. Is this your neck? Yeah. Is this your neck? The rest of this recording is too
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disturbing to play on YouTube, but it clearly documents an alleged serious domestic violence incident involving
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Cain. Investigators now know they must act quickly as more people including Samantha could be in immediate danger.
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So, later that day after securing approval for the earlier search warrant police returned to the victim's house,
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[music] but this time they bring specialized chemicals called Bluestar used to hunt for hidden blood, bullets
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and evidence that may have been cleaned up. And what they're about to uncover would reveal just how many crucial clues
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officers had missed during the initial search. Inside the kitchen detectives spot one
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of three spent 22 caliber shell casings along with a live 22 round. Using Bluestar they also detect high velocity
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blood spatter throughout the home. As the search continues investigators notice clear attempts to clean up the
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scene and given the precision and speed with which the bodies were disposed of they begin to suspect [music] a grim
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possibility. This was not the work of a single perpetrator. But then officers find something very strange. Condoms and
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pregnancy tests stored with cleaning supplies near the well house and septic area. Following these disturbing
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findings police would continue searching the property and contacting Cain's relatives worried he may already be far
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away possibly even on his way back to Canada. A few days later as detectives continue
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searching for leads on Cain they decide to pay Mike and his wife Lourdes Blette a visit. Just like Cain Lourdes also has
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personal ties to all three victims. Victor Perillo was her brother, Killian Mays was her grandnephew and Mary Mouser
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was her brother's partner. But before investigators can hope to learn anything about Cain's whereabouts or possible
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accomplices they must first deliver the tragic news to the couple. Yeah. He's got
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He's got a nice name too. >> [laughter] >> Hi Lourdes, how are you? Detective Shari
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Bobby Hi, this is Ashley. Do you mind mind if I sit down? Well, I I would like to give you guys a little
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bit of information. As I told you yesterday, do want to let you know that there was a vehicle fire that was in
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close proximity to the house. There were three subjects that were not able to be
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identified that were inside of that vehicle. I cannot tell you who those subjects are. On the property?
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In the Subaru or that I I can't tell you what vehicle it was for sure right now.
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Again So, you already know there can't I can't But you know there's three people? Yes.
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I'm really sorry that I even have to to share this information with you. Um This is a horrible nightmare.
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I mean it's horrendous. >> I agree with you 100%. This is Oh, no. one of the worst things that I've ever
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had to be involved with. Upon hearing the news Lourdes is beyond devastated. What makes this situation even scarier
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is that she fears whoever is responsible may not be done yet. He's a psychopath.
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He's a psychopath. Cain, I didn't want to say that. I didn't want to drop in the total, but he's crazy.
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You got to find him. We're afraid of him. He doesn't even ask how my mother is and that's his
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blood grandmother. Oh my god, how can it be? >> [laughter] >> Um Michael How can it be?
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Um We We hoped for better, but >> No. It's not even imagination. We are working on
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so many different leads right now. Just catch him. So, everybody will be safe because he's crazy.
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>> In my worst imagination I thought I didn't know how to tell you guys this. But I was going to say, can
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you look for the infrared and see if there's any graves on the property? That's what I was going to tell y'all.
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You know how they can tell if it's a grave? That's what's something that's been burned and this has got to be the
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worst crime of the year. Mexico pardon, I haven't heard anything this horrendous on the news lately. yet.
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Indeed this kind of killing doesn't happen every day, but investigators are about to hear another person of interest
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from the couple. Someone who may know more about where Cain is. So, in our in our job you will hear law enforcement
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say a lot, you know, it's what you know and what you can prove. And right now we're working on collecting the
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information so we can prove what we believe we know. Mhm. Exactly. We don't know what he did all those
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years. Wherever he was. What What did he do? Who did he know? What was his >> and Anna. Mhm. Wait, do you have no
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idea? I would even be worried about his sister Brecken Rozell, so-called step sister, you know. When he that one text
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he sent me about working with the uh over in Roswell or whatever he said he Yeah, he was saying something about
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helping out his sister with her crazy ex. Crazy ex, yeah. Something like that that you had told me. Yes, I think it
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was a relationship I can't remember that at the beginning that she wasn't with that guy anymore because of that. It was
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like I was supposed to feel sorry for her or something. When they first were like chit-chatting and everything
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>> Oh, in the conversation, okay. She's talking about Thanksgiving day parade. I
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think that they said something about that. Mike would go on to identify the woman in question as 28-year-old
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Cassandra Douglas, >> [music] >> Cain's half sister. And based on his concerns and the evidence from the home
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search suggesting at least two people were likely involved in the cover-up detectives begin to wonder if Cassandra
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is the next key piece to the puzzle. So, with this new lead the interview concludes and investigators [music]
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shift their focus to Cassandra and her potential connections to the homicide. Coincidentally as investigators prepare
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to call Cassandra the next day she reaches out to them instead with a very peculiar 911 call.
00:27:39
Hi, is there any way that you would mind putting in a welfare check on my brother
00:27:44
Cain Mays? What's the address? He told me that he was going to 680 Cox Canyon Cloudcroft in Mexico. 680 Cox Canyon?
00:27:54
Yes, ma'am. He was supposed to meet up with our uncle and told me that if he didn't come back last night and
00:28:01
definitely if he didn't come back in the morning that I needed to call you guys.
00:28:04
He's been part of a missing person's thing and Mike has been acting very aggressive and hostile towards us. Not
00:28:10
only is Cassandra claiming her brother Cain is also missing, but she's suggesting that her uncle Mike might
00:28:16
have something to do with it. Once investigators catch wind of this 911 call they immediately sense something is
00:28:22
off. The timing is highly suspicious almost as if it's part of a plan to deflect suspicion away from Cain. So,
00:28:30
later that day officers are sent to her address with one goal in mind assess the
00:28:34
situation and determine whether her claims hold any weight or if it's just an attempt to mislead the investigation.
00:28:44
Hello. Hello. Hi. Are you Candace? No, Candace is across street. Okay, what's Are you Cassandra? I am. Okay. So, my
00:28:52
name's Ryan Poston Rider. Hi. I'm a detective with the Ruidoso Police Department. Hello. Do you have a second
00:28:57
to talk to me? What's up? Um so, did you make a 911 call for a welfare check? I did for Cain Mays. For Cain. Yeah.
00:29:05
>> Yeah. That was you that made that call. Okay. Have you heard from Cain? I have
00:29:09
not. No, you still haven't heard from him? I have not. How do you know Cain? He's my brother. He's your brother?
00:29:15
>> brother. And when was the last time you heard from him? Uh he was supposed to go up to meet with
00:29:21
Mike. I think on the 21st. He told me that if he didn't show up um by the morning of the 22nd
00:29:31
that I needed to file a missing person's report because I already have three family members missing. Killian and Mary
00:29:36
were supposed to go up to Albuquerque. I haven't seen those two alive since 11:23. Give me just a second.
00:29:43
>> Okay. Mhm. Officers have no clue at this point, but Cassandra isn't alone. Right this
00:29:51
moment, their prime suspect, Cain Mays, is hiding inside the very house they're standing in front of.
00:30:01
Sorry, we're also having issues with a psychotic ex of mine, so >> you're going through a lot right now. A
00:30:07
little bit. And then with Cain going missing and Mike presumably having like over half of his
00:30:13
guns, it's a really really long story. Okay. >> And not one that I'm 100% familiar with
00:30:18
cuz Cain just came back into my life September of last year. So, like I wish I had all my facts
00:30:27
straight. >> [laughter] >> I completely understand. No big deal. Um how did they come into your life?
00:30:33
Bit through Cain. Okay. So, Cain comes into your life and then now you meet Mary and Killian. Mhm. Okay. And then
00:30:41
now all of them are missing. Mhm. And have you talked Did you ever have direct contact with Mike?
00:30:47
I never had direct contact with Mike, no. I just heard him screaming from the hill both times. As she did earlier,
00:30:53
Cassandra doubles down on her accusations, suggesting that officers should focus on Mike, implying he may be
00:31:00
involved in the disappearances. Officers take note of her statements and ask her
00:31:05
to give them a call if Cain shows up again. Their goal remains unclear, but now that they have a story, they can
00:31:12
start verifying. So, a few hours later, as police continue looking for Cain, an officer
00:31:18
decides to stop by the neighborhood again and speak with Cassandra's neighbors to see if they've heard or
00:31:22
seen anything. According to them, Cassandra hasn't been living alone. A man with long dark hair has been staying
00:31:29
with her for the past few months. Additionally, witnesses report seeing the same man driving Victor's missing
00:31:35
green Subaru and that it was also seen parked outside Cassandra's residence multiple times. Realizing the
00:31:41
description of the man matches Cain, officers return to the station to dig deeper into Cassandra's earlier claims,
00:31:47
where they will very quickly uncover some major contradictions. Even though Cassandra insisted she had
00:31:55
only recently met Cain, investigators discover an older Facebook photo of the two together proof they've known each
00:32:01
other for years. But that's just the first lie because officers who were out looking for Cain also recover
00:32:08
surveillance footage from a nearby Walmart showing Cain and Cassandra shopping together alongside her sons and
00:32:15
daughter. Besides buying groceries and food, investigators spot cleaning supplies like bleach and vinegar along
00:32:22
with [music] multiple bottles of kerosene, items that closely align with what would be needed to clean up a
00:32:28
violent crime and start a fire. At this point, investigators are unsure if Cassandra is actively hiding a wanted
00:32:36
fugitive or if she's being controlled and forced to cooperate with someone who has already killed three members of her
00:32:42
own family. With suspicion mounting, detectives obtain a search warrant for Cassandra's
00:32:49
house. Then, around 8:00 p.m. that night, a group of officers return to the property, taking up positions outside
00:32:55
the house as they prepare to raid it. Occupants of 7 Morningside, this is the Roswell Police Department. Exit the
00:33:03
front door with your hands up. Do it now. You got shield? Yep. Roswell Police, search warrant.
00:33:34
I guess we're just going to boot this thing. Yep. One more. One more. Roswell Police, 7 Morningside, make
00:33:54
yourself known. All right, we're going to pull in. I'm going to take left. Ready? Okay.
00:34:03
Small room. You know what? There's another door here. Ready? Yep. Yep. We've got their I'm going to go I got a
00:34:14
hallway with the >> The this looks like the refrigerator kitchen. Move it up. Three on me. Move
00:34:18
it up. And Cassandra Jolly is still on the left here, huh? Yeah. Look, they got some La Muerte stuff
00:34:31
right here. Some La Muerte. There's a See that? Ready? Yep. This is some weird monitor for the camera that's in the
00:34:54
window. Mhm. I wonder if this guy's on [ __ ] terrorist watch. Did you remember where
00:34:59
those cigarette packs were? I had a Marlboro and then I had a Yeah, I saw that one in the closet.
00:35:05
>> one that your big cans are all over this room. Your red bull cans. Inside, something about the house
00:35:12
immediately feels off to the officers as they observe unusual posters, graffiti,
00:35:18
and other unsettling details scattered throughout. They then make their way into the bathroom, where one officer
00:35:24
recalls hearing that something might be hidden underneath the house. I highly doubt that.
00:35:33
The back wall is nothing? No, we have a door. I'm sure this is what he's referring to.
00:35:41
Like under all this? That's what he said. He said the neighbor across the street said that he
00:35:45
[music] lived here and then there's a door underneath the washing machine dryer. At least it's the basement.
00:35:50
Cuz didn't they say there's another secret exit or something here? There's a couple windows. What do they go to?
00:35:56
>> [music] >> They used to be filled in. They look up there already or not? Ready?
00:36:11
All right, we're good. Go ahead. Set there. All right, we're good. Yep. I'll hold it.
00:36:41
No dust on it. Oh, that don't fit. That. Mhm. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. That's
00:36:53
too new. Yeah, that's fairly new. Mhm. All right. Is that a water leak there? It's kind of weird to have a door right
00:37:15
there, too, huh? At the center of the basement sits a plastic storage tote, tool box, duffel
00:37:28
bags, and other various items. Officers notice there's no dust on the items and whoever left them behind was in a hurry,
00:37:36
possibly trying to leave unnoticed. Beyond the basement, police would go on to find something highly suspicious,
00:37:42
documents [music] belonging to one of the victims alongside paperwork linked to Cain's father and live .22 caliber
00:37:49
ammunition. Following these discoveries, investigators secure the scene and begin
00:37:54
working to obtain a real-time location warrant for Cassandra's phone. With their suspicions growing that Cassandra
00:38:00
fled with Cain, officers know they need to locate them quickly before they vanish, potentially escaping to Canada.
00:38:11
12 hours later, investigators strike gold. The warrant for Cassandra's phone is successfully approved and in a major
00:38:19
development, Verizon pings Cassandra's phone nearly 1,000 miles away. She's no longer in New Mexico, but in Hernando,
00:38:27
Mississippi, inside a Super 8 Motel. With this discovery, the case becomes multi-state with police in Mississippi
00:38:35
quickly briefed on the investigation. Officers are then dispatched to locate Cassandra. This is the final phase in
00:38:41
the case and what happens next will determine whether police get the critical answers they need or lose the
00:38:47
lead entirely. As officers make their way to the Super 8 Motel, their primary objectives are to
00:38:53
extract information about Cain's whereabouts, test Cassandra's statements, and determine how deeply she
00:38:59
may have been involved in the homicide of her own relatives. When officers finally arrive at the motel, something
00:39:05
immediately feels off. Miss Jolly? Yes. Miss Jolly or actually technically I'm Douglas. This is who I had my ex with
00:39:16
last week. So, what's what's going on? What are we looking [music] at here? I don't know.
00:39:20
No. No, you tell me. All I know is that my brother went missing on the 21st. We were trying to investigate his
00:39:29
property. We thought Mary and Killian had left. And then Mike came down and started
00:39:34
being aggressive and hateful and shooting rounds. And >> [music] >> we've already I to file this with the
00:39:41
Roswell Police Department down in New Mexico. Would you consent to a search of your vehicle?
00:39:45
You can search the car and you can search the house. I don't care. [music] Okay.
00:39:49
Interestingly, Cassandra now seems on the verge of an emotional breakdown for reasons the officers are yet to
00:39:57
understand. After all, only 24 hours have passed and seemingly no new information has been relayed to her.
00:40:05
Neither news of the murder nor that Cain is the main suspect nor that her house was just searched. So, to get to the
00:40:12
bottom of her emotional reaction, Mississippi officers on scene coordinated a call with special agent
00:40:17
Kyle Graham in New Mexico who's been tracking the growing list of contradictions in Cassandra's
00:40:23
statements. Using those inconsistencies, [music] the detective is about to carefully test Cassandra's story and see
00:40:29
how far she cracks. Do you mind grabbing those, taking your waffle upstairs with
00:40:33
you? I'm not upstairs, I'm downstairs. Downstairs. All right, yeah. 104 He's talking to detectives two years ago
00:40:43
at your house in Roswell, correct? Yeah. I did all the work there, showed up and
00:40:47
I had to leave. So, I brought them over here to Mississippi. Why is that anything wrong?
00:40:54
No, there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that. What we're trying to do is we're trying
00:40:58
to figure out what's going on with you and your family. I don't know. I [snorts] haven't even
00:41:07
like I just met Dylan >> and my grandmother for the first time in my entire life in November.
00:41:15
So, were they there whenever you guys were there? No. Where were they at? I don't know. The
00:41:21
house was empty and there were boxes in the middle of the living room. That was his dad's property.
00:41:26
He was supposed to go to him afterwards, but he wasn't here. He had to go up to Canada. And so, who was driving in the
00:41:33
in the dead house? Like he could drive a car. I don't They all could. I know that they
00:41:38
had that little blue car. And who was driving the green car? That I don't know. As far as I know,
00:41:46
that car is not drivable. Well, we have we have video of Cain driving the the green Subaru.
00:41:53
Huh. And we have information from the neighbors that the green Subaru was was at your house at one point in time. This
00:42:00
is what I want, okay? I I just want I know you know a little bit a little bit more than what you're telling me.
00:42:06
I don't know if you're trying to protect Cain or if you're scared. I'm scared just because I I don't know
00:42:13
what's going on. Listen, we've been working this case for three days straight. And I know a lot more information than
00:42:20
I'm telling you. Of course you I'm trying to see if you're going to be honest with me.
00:42:26
With every sentence, the detective becomes more convinced that Cassandra is hiding something she fears could
00:42:32
incriminate her brother or even herself. But, there is something a lot more concrete detectives previously uncovered
00:42:39
and the detective is about to leverage it to completely trap Cassandra. Hey, are you aware that um Cain made a police
00:42:47
report whenever he got to the house originally, the very first [music] time, about people squatting in his father's
00:42:52
house? Yeah, because they weren't supposed to be there. They hadn't paid all any of the mortgage on it. We found
00:43:00
documents showing that they were still using Frank's credit cards and Frank has been dead.
00:43:05
And that all of the bills were still in Frank's name and they were still using that.
00:43:11
And so, I told him that that was illegal and that he needed to make a police report because you can't be using Don't
00:43:17
stick that in my face, honey. You That's like identity theft. Is it true that Cain didn't even know his dad
00:43:23
died? Yeah. He didn't know that his dad died until he came back to the states. He found his obituary.
00:43:32
He found his obituary shortly before on the internet. That's how he figured it out.
00:43:38
So, almost a year later he finds he finds out his dad died. And I know that he's upset about that.
00:43:45
But, that's sure that's not enough reason to kill somebody. He didn't do that. >> [music]
00:43:53
>> 112 Then what? So, did he kill somebody? No. [music] No. I don't understand what you're
00:44:00
trying to accuse him of. Well, that doesn't sound very convincing. I don't know what he's trying to accuse
00:44:08
him of. I mean, he's asking what the question That doesn't [music] that doesn't sound
00:44:12
convincing Sure enough, that doesn't sound too convincing to the detective because
00:44:19
Cassandra has seemingly slipped up. At this point, no one had told her that the missing family members were dead or that
00:44:26
Cain was suspected of killing them. Realizing her mistake, Cassandra quickly starts backpedaling to regain control of
00:44:33
the narrative. You got anything else, Cassandra, that you want to tell me? Do you really think Cain killed them or
00:44:40
hurt them? I'm pretty concerned. I don't think three people just vanish off the face of the earth, especially
00:44:47
when they're two of them are elderly. And then Cain just comes into comes in from Canada and
00:44:53
all hell breaks loose. That's kind of [music] suspicious to me. God, I'm so stupid. I wouldn't even think to put two
00:44:59
and two together like that. But, Mike Mike was so and scary when he came down and he was so aggressive.
00:45:07
And I thought we were going to die. I thought he was going to shoot us on the property. Well, you didn't even see that
00:45:12
he had a gun. Cain told me that he had one. And he was mad enough Oh my god, he was
00:45:19
so mad. As a last-ditch effort, Cassandra goes back to [music] accusing Mike of being
00:45:26
responsible for the disappearances. But, in fact, officers in New Mexico have already quietly debunked that claim,
00:45:33
information they are holding back >> [music] >> for the right time and place. Before
00:45:37
leaving, they also check Cassandra's car where they find belongings hastily packed up. But, Cassandra explains this
00:45:44
as a desperate attempt to run away from her abusive ex-boyfriend. So, shortly afterwards, the officers wrap up their
00:45:51
visit. But, in doing so, they've proven something crucial. They can find Cassandra whenever they want, something
00:45:58
she clearly didn't anticipate. It seems as though the confrontation went nearly perfectly for the
00:46:04
detectives. [music] But, Cassandra has a crucial secret that had went unnoticed at the motel. Cain had traveled to
00:46:10
Mississippi alongside her, was staying nearby and had successfully hidden from officers, marking [music] yet another
00:46:17
moment where she misleads police about his whereabouts. So, less than an hour after police leave the motel, the two
00:46:24
would begin plotting, coming up with a plan they think will [music] get them out of this gruesome mass murder.
00:46:32
At 2:00 p.m., Cassandra's vehicle is seen in front of the Hernando Police Department. Cain would step out and
00:46:39
calmly walk into the station. 15 minutes later, Cain would be seated in the department's interview room two
00:46:46
alongside Detective Stovall. The sudden appearance of Cain would leave detectives with little room to prepare.
00:46:53
So, special agent Silva, a New Mexico detective already working this case, would be placed on call to assist in the
00:46:59
interview. It's important to note that this is an interview and not an interrogation as Cain has agreed to
00:47:05
speak voluntarily and has not been detained. In reality, this interview can only work against [music] him. But, in
00:47:13
his mind, this is both his and Cassandra's final chance at freedom. Agent Silva would begin the interview by
00:47:20
making this crystal clear. And And before we get any any further, I just I do want to let you know that you are not
00:47:27
under Miranda rights. You are not anything like that. Um you are free to leave at any point.
00:47:32
Um you don't have to answer any of my questions, anything like that. You you can say, "Hey, I don't want to answer
00:47:38
that question." If you want to, you can go over another question and we can skip
00:47:41
to the next one. But, I do want to let you know that you are free to leave, okay? Thank you, sir.
00:47:47
All right. After realizing he's free to walk out at any time, Cain shifts tactics. He begins probing the detective
00:47:55
for information, trying to figure out how much investigators have bought into the false narrative he's been
00:48:00
intentionally feeding them. Can I ask you something? It's on one hand kind of nice to talk to somebody from
00:48:08
Otero. Also, maybe a little concerning. Did we have to speak directly because I'm
00:48:15
considered a missing person? Well, that's what I wanted to talk to you about is is there's so many like missing
00:48:20
persons, there's a lot of phone calls to the sheriff's office. So, like why would why would somebody be
00:48:26
claiming that you're missing and there's also some other missing reports going on? Like there's a lot of
00:48:31
firearms missing, right? There's a lot of vehicles missing. Um we want to talk to
00:48:37
you and get your side of the story of what's going on. I was trained to come in and speak with somebody in person.
00:48:43
And what happened with that? On my way down to uh Alamogordo, I gave another uncle a phone call
00:48:52
because I had seen him on the property and he was a very looming presence at the time. I was hoping to stop in and
00:48:58
ask him about some things and some personal aspects that were going on. I wound up getting run off the
00:49:06
property and had to kind of go into hiding because I know his uh influence and the extent of his company.
00:49:13
And which which uncle is that? Mike Bleth. So, sweet So, Mike ran you off the property. You had
00:49:20
questions for him. Is that is that what I'm understanding? Yes, sir. So, when did when did this happen? It
00:49:26
was when I was on my way down on the 21st. I kind of explained the situation to my
00:49:32
sister a little bit and I told her, "If you don't hear from me, call somebody." I know I keep jumping around and just
00:49:38
trying to confirm everything. So, you went to Mike's house to talk to him and he shot at you?
00:49:43
Correct. Yes, sir. Cuz I want to talk to Mike about that. Like, why are you shooting at people through front doors?
00:49:48
That's kind of That's kind of dangerous. That was this week. That was on the 21st.
00:49:54
I would absolutely appreciate you taking a look. Kane makes his alibi clear. Mike, the
00:50:01
man who kicked the entire investigation off in the first place, is the suspect detectives need to be focusing on.
00:50:07
Alleging he shot at them through the front door when they approached the home. Unfortunately, detectives have
00:50:13
spent far more time investigating than Kane realizes, allowing Agent Silva to completely debunk Kane's story. Simply
00:50:20
put, there are no bullet holes or any signs of a shooting on the property. Okay.
00:50:27
So, so here's the thing, Kane, is I'm going to start uh going through some of your
00:50:32
some of your story here. Okay, that's not making good sense to me. I'm not saying that you're lying, I'm just
00:50:36
saying I don't think it's I don't think it's fully fully there yet, if that makes sense.
00:50:43
Um >> It It was kind of cut off uh in the garage. >> to talk to Can you hear me? Yes, sir. You went to
00:50:51
Mike's house. Mike shot at you this week through the front door. You announced yourself.
00:50:57
How come you didn't call 911? I know that they very much do not take too kindly to law enforcement.
00:51:07
Okay. And I kind of really hoped for that to be avoided. >> So, here's the thing on that is I have
00:51:14
I have some investigators that are there at Mike's house that have been to that Mike's house.
00:51:20
There are no bullet holes through his front door. There are no bullet holes through
00:51:28
through the siding. Um I'm not They're not seeing you on his cameras at his house.
00:51:36
So, that's what I'm saying is some of it's not making sense. So, did you actually go to Mike's house and knock on
00:51:40
the door? I did. >> Cuz you're not on camera. Did they change >> his cameras? His cameras go back this
00:51:48
week. They go back last week. Um I'm not seeing you anywhere on there. We had a ton of different
00:51:58
um game cams that are all on their uh SD cards. He doesn't have any of the chips from
00:52:11
the 21st? No, I'm I'm saying he has video surveillance of this week and of last week, but I don't not They
00:52:20
are not seeing you anywhere on the cameras. Kane appears shocked by these details.
00:52:27
Whatever he thought happened that could favor his story simply didn't. Kane would sit in silence for an extended
00:52:35
period of time, seemingly in denial, but his plan was so terribly miscalculated.
00:52:46
The If they still have the footage, they should totally show me pulling up. I parked along the mailbox.
00:53:01
Kind of behind it a bit, not necessarily pulled up past it. Uh walked right up the drive up to
00:53:11
the It's kind of tucked in between the [clears throat] slope on the hill and then it goes into the house where
00:53:23
the stone steps are. That metal storm door. Okay. Just want to ask. I'm I'm just trying to give you a way
00:53:36
a path so that you could see. And that was early afternoonish I got there. Between 1:00 and 3:00, I believe it was.
00:53:52
I have I'd have to look at the log, but I don't have it. But if they have that footage still,
00:54:01
then I'm definitely on it. Kane proceeds to give a nearly 10-minute explanation of where he was parked.
00:54:09
Unnecessarily complex explanations like these are usually a telltale sign to the
00:54:13
detectives that the suspect has shifted into a defensive state, looking for any validation that the detective is
00:54:20
believing their lies. Agent Silva takes note of this and begins leaning deeper. This time pressing Kane on his sister
00:54:28
Cassandra and her potential involvement. Previously, police recovered and documented strange items during the
00:54:36
home's crime scene search, and it's still unclear why they were there. Silva plans to use these details to force Kane
00:54:42
into defending Cassandra's innocence, a tactic that will create a contradicting story compared to what Cassandra told
00:54:49
officers just hours prior. But so, are you aware that we spoke to um Cassandra? Yes, sir.
00:54:58
And I got to >> I ask is I'm just trying to get like if if if something happened up
00:55:04
there, Kane, I I want to know like whether an argument going on. And I know that you were up there in January. Okay,
00:55:11
we can we can kind of get away from that. You were up there in January. If something happened up there, I I want
00:55:17
to know what happened. Okay? If there was an argument, if something happened, like kind of help me
00:55:23
help you. Okay? What happened when you were up there in January of this year? I'm trying to
00:55:31
figure out everything that has happened as well. That's part of why I wanted to speak with you guys and kind of get you
00:55:39
involved in looking. Um but I'm I'm I'm going to be honest with you, I'm confused on these on these timelines.
00:55:46
Um You You were up there this week at some point and you were up there last week at
00:55:51
some point. So, what happened this week and last week while you were up there with the with the family?
00:55:59
That's what I want to know. They weren't there. Nothing's happened. Were you You were at the house on in
00:56:07
Benton on the 18th of January, correct? I'm not sure. The The reason I ask is because uh
00:56:21
Cassie has been in contact and she showed us a screenshot um January 18th at 3:57.
00:56:30
It's between you and her that says wait quietly. Uh And it says wait for me. That's actually
00:56:38
something that I was going to try to find. And it says I believe this is from you
00:56:44
or from her. That's the text that says wait for me and [music] it says I'm safe.
00:56:50
I'm I'm sorry? Those are the texts that say wait and that I'm safe. It says I'm safe, wait for me, and then
00:56:57
there's a response that says got you. I have eyes on the front. So far, so good.
00:57:03
What is that What is that >> That's the day That's the day that Mike came up to bed.
00:57:09
Okay. At this point, Kane must be starting to realize Cassandra may not have been on
00:57:15
his side as much as he had thought. Not only are the police beginning to take a clear side, but his only teammate might
00:57:22
be against him as well, perhaps explaining why she dropped him off at the police station. Note that Kane at
00:57:28
this point can avoid any question he wants and, more importantly, can leave whenever he wants. Even Agent Silva
00:57:35
decides to take a brief step away from the phone, but Kane would stay, instead letting the officer in the room in on
00:57:42
what's going through his mind. Between you, me, and the walls, I really think someone is trying to pin years worth of
00:57:54
[ __ ] on me cuz I came back home at the wrong time and interrupted something. I'm just here
00:58:07
helping these guys. I don't know what you really think of them. Look, they're only asking the questions. I'm
00:58:17
just sitting here. Yes, just Silva seems like a trustworthy detective. We used to joke though and I would say
00:58:31
I'd make a great scapegoat. I'm kind of hoping it's not the case this time. I came here today
00:58:41
to ask you guys for help and talk to people that I knew wouldn't be necessarily under an outside
00:58:51
influence. >> Right. But do you see how it looks for us? I mean, they have They've They've shown
00:59:02
physical evidence to this whole situation. And you're here you're one day you're here in Mississippi, no
00:59:12
ties to Mississippi at all. Like you have no family here. No, sir. You have nothing here. No, sir.
00:59:21
My family >> [clears throat] >> died, man. If I was in your If I was in that seat
00:59:27
and a detective 13 hours away on a cell phone call told me that my But who are you related to?
00:59:34
My brother. My grandmother and my uncle. Your brother, your grandmother, your uncle. If somebody called me
00:59:39
and said, "Not only was my brother killed, but also your grandmother and your uncle were killed." If somebody
00:59:45
told me that over the phone, you know what I would be doing? I think I would be doing
00:59:49
Do you know what I would be doing? I wouldn't be sitting there staring at a wall.
00:59:55
I'd be bawling my eyes out. I'd be throwing the water bottle across the room. I'd probably rip this table out of the
01:00:00
wall. Yeah, but then you guys just rushed in here and But I wouldn't give a [ __ ] You
01:00:04
got to be here. I wouldn't give a [ __ ] Because of I'm because of how much my I'm close with my brother. I'm not close
01:00:12
with my grandma. >> [music] >> But it still would the fact that that somebody did that to my family.
01:00:20
Do you understand where I'm coming from and >> Well, they asked what I think should
01:00:23
happen to Mike or whoever did this and in polite company, I couldn't say. Back where I'm from, they beat them up a
01:00:35
tree. Right. So, that's more of the response that that you would expect. But the the the
01:00:41
issue I'm having is there's no emotion. You haven't You've expressed no sad You There's no
01:00:49
There We're not getting anything. Which leads me to believe you already knew this this had occurred.
01:00:56
I just didn't know that Look. Even the officers with no context of the case can't help but assume Cain
01:01:03
was involved in the murders, leaving him to sit in silence as he realizes how poorly this voluntary interview has
01:01:10
gone. Agent Silva would return and continue pressing Cain for answers, eventually revealing that he had, in
01:01:17
fact, been inside the house multiple times the week of the three victims' disappearance and admitted to helping
01:01:23
Cassandra travel to Mississippi with her kids, something she lied about earlier in the motel. Even worse for Cain is
01:01:30
that as the hours-long interview progressed, officers behind the scenes were already taking action. They were
01:01:36
instructed to locate his uncle's stolen green Subaru, which they suspected Cain used to drive to Mississippi alongside
01:01:43
Cassandra's own vehicle. After looking through surveillance footage and searching around the city, officers hit
01:01:48
the jackpot and tracked down the missing car. Inside, they found latex gloves, .22 caliber ammunition, an empty Ruger
01:01:56
pistol box, and most importantly, Cain's passport, tying him directly to the stolen vehicle. Now investigators have
01:02:04
exactly what they've been missing, probable cause. And with that, Cain is no longer free to leave, and he's about
01:02:11
to find out just how massively his attempt to clear himself and [music] Cassandra backfired.
01:02:18
Smells like blood. Can I mind that and my stuff? Yeah, you mind standing up for me real quick? Turn
01:02:25
around facing this wall. Yes, sir. Put your hands on the wall for me. All right.
01:02:33
So, what's going on, man, is you're going to be going out to the Soda County Sheriff's Office, all right? You're
01:02:36
going to our jail, all right? Yes, sir. All right, walk this way. >> [clears throat]
01:02:45
>> Back at the Motel 8 in Mississippi, Cassandra would patiently wait for Cain to return, give her a call, or just show
01:02:52
any signs his interview was over. But as hours passed, it became clear that something had gone terribly wrong.
01:02:59
Growing worried, Cassandra packed her bags and fled alongside her children, making yet another 1,000-mile drive back
01:03:06
to New Mexico. Detectives keep [music] tracking her phone signal until it finally stops at her parents' house. By
01:03:13
this point, investigators have more than enough to justify Cassandra's arrest, but one critical question still remains.
01:03:20
Was she directly involved in the murders? And if so, to what extent? Because of that uncertainty, officers
01:03:27
make a deliberate decision. Rather than moving in aggressively, only four investigators go to the house, keeping
01:03:33
the encounter calm and cooperative. Their goal is to interview Cassandra on the property and, if possible, apply
01:03:40
enough pressure to turn her against Cain. If they can do this, they'll be able to pin both Cain and Cassandra
01:03:46
against each other, forcing them to incriminate themselves. This is Bryce Daily with the
01:03:56
Lea County Sheriff's Office. We have a few questions for you. Yes, sir. All right. No, so there's not 100 of us
01:04:01
today, there's just three of us. Do you want me to start from the beginning from
01:04:05
what I know, or do you want to ask me some questions first? >> No, I'm going to let you tell your
01:04:10
story, and just so that you know, you're not under arrest. You're not You're free
01:04:14
to leave whenever you want to leave. We came to you because we talked on the phone earlier with through the texts.
01:04:19
And And what I told her is she needs to stop overthinking everything and trying to be a detective herself cuz she's seen
01:04:25
all this stuff and she's trying to put pieces together and knows that he was lying to her about things. Yeah. So,
01:04:31
just start at the beginning and tell it like you told us. So, I wanted to apologize to you because
01:04:41
whenever I spoke to you the last time, I wasn't thinking straight. Not only is Cassandra much more
01:04:49
cooperative this time, but she quickly admits that she had been dishonest before and even apologizes. Her father's
01:04:56
comment makes it seem like she's on the verge of throwing Cain under the bus, which is exactly what investigators are
01:05:03
here for. So, with the reassurance that she's not under arrest, Cassandra begins
01:05:08
to share some much-needed details about how three of her relatives ended up mysteriously dead. So, I know on
01:05:16
Thursday, we were driving up there and we had just went through Ruidoso and he said that he wanted to stop by
01:05:24
Bent real quick. So, he said, "Okay, drop me off here. Um wait here and I will let you know if
01:05:31
I need anything." I probably left him alone for like 45 minutes-ish. Where does he go?
01:05:38
He's inside the house. Okay. And he says that he couldn't find anything. Don't know where anybody's at.
01:05:44
And that it's okay for me to come inside. And [music] I go inside and like I kept telling you, it smelled
01:05:50
[ __ ] weird in there. Almost like something had like died within the walls, like a like an animal or
01:05:55
something. I was already concerned by the fact that he felt he felt like something had had
01:06:00
happened. So, I'm I'm trying to rationalize through that and he's just saying, "I I'll do it.
01:06:09
And we're doing things legally. It's okay." And then he has me help him He drives the car off somewhere
01:06:16
and has me help him push it off. And so like this little ditch thing. And at one point, whenever I tried to
01:06:23
say, "Hey, you got Like you need to call somebody." He said that the majority of
01:06:26
the cops up there are crooked. I worked in the ER down here. I I can see how you can think that
01:06:32
sometimes, for sure. No No offense. >> [laughter] >> So, like I Oh, yeah, no offense to you
01:06:40
guys, either. Investigators are clearly not fond of Cassandra's strange remark. Though by now, it's becoming clear to
01:06:48
detectives that Cassandra is putting Cain at the center of everything while noticeably avoiding any direct mention
01:06:55
of the murders, the cleanup, or the burned bodies. Instead, she frames everything vaguely, claiming Cain
01:07:02
suspected something happened inside the house, but they didn't look too deeply into it, and that she was simply helping
01:07:07
him deal with a property dispute. Investigators allow Cassandra to continue telling her story, but the more
01:07:13
she talks, the more convoluted her version of events becomes. Then at this point, she even invites them inside,
01:07:20
where the story only grows longer. After nearly 2 hours of listening, Agent Kyle
01:07:25
Graham decides it's time to push back. So, now we're going to get into to my portion, okay? I don't know, there's
01:07:32
been probably a team of 15 of us on this case. So, we know a lot of everything about that property.
01:07:38
Um And some of the stuff that you're saying does make sense and does add up. However, some of the stuff that you're
01:07:43
saying doesn't make sense to me and and doesn't add up, and quite frankly, I don't think some of it happened. But I
01:07:48
will tell you right now, I don't feel like Cain could have done everything that he did alone, and I think he
01:07:53
included you into a whole mess of a situation. [music] I don't believe that you killed anybody
01:07:59
in this house or on that property. I strongly believe that. I don't think that you had any part of murdering
01:08:05
people. But I do strongly believe [music] that he [ __ ] himself, and he needed help,
01:08:11
and you're a helpful person, and he put you in a shitty spot and said, "Help me.
01:08:16
I need help cleaning this property. I need help cleaning this all this blood up,
01:08:21
and I need help getting these [ __ ] bodies out of this house." But now's your chance.
01:08:25
I'm giving you the opportunity. Cuz I'm telling you right now, I have all that I need.
01:08:30
The gig's up. The game's over. Okay? This is This is your opportunity and your chance to tell me what did he make
01:08:38
you do? What did he ask you to help him to do? All I know of is that he wanted me to undo the prop
01:08:45
like the the headboards, the the couch. But I Did you notice no blood on that? Think about it before you
01:08:54
answer that. >> the side that I picked it up from, no. All I did was what he asked me to do.
01:09:00
But you understand, all you All you did what he asked you to do, it's too late. You already helped him.
01:09:07
That's already a crime. It's too late. >> that, and that's the reason why I asked
01:09:11
if I needed attorney because I tampered with evidence. >> Correct. So, [music] And it wasn't until
01:09:16
after the fact that I sat there and I thought about it because he he said that everything was found that way.
01:09:22
So, the charge is already there. There's not going to be any more of It's not going to get any worse other than you
01:09:29
just [music] telling the truth of what happened. The charge is there. You already have a
01:09:33
tampering with evidence charge on a first-degree murder, okay? That's a second-degree felony.
01:09:39
Needless to say, this is not what Cassandra is hoping to hear. In this moment, she realizes her days of freedom
01:09:47
may be numbered if she continues twisting the facts to protect both herself and Cain. Cassandra knows
01:09:54
something has to give. So, after hearing what's awaiting her, she asks to step outside for a smoke, and [music] this is
01:10:00
where she finally gives detectives a small piece of the truth. Like I said, I went out there.
01:10:14
I went out to the store. Mhm. And I came back. He said they found them that way.
01:10:29
He said He said what? So, what did he tell you he found? People. All four. How many people?
01:10:36
Three. And who are they? Kieran, Kieran, Mary, and Victor. I signed up for to take him to a job
01:10:44
interview. I didn't sign up for him to do this. Do you now believe that he did it?
01:10:52
I don't know what to believe. I just know that there was a mess, and then there was a lot of illegal
01:11:01
[ __ ] Lots of illegal [ __ ] What else did you help clean up inside the house? Besides the blood.
01:11:11
And the furniture, taking it out. >> Yeah. And I I didn't see how bad the furniture
01:11:16
was. Did you help clean up anything else? There's so many red flags going on right
01:11:26
now. Still have you saying that you walked into this house and Cain telling you,
01:11:32
"Holy [ __ ] I just walked into a house and all my family's dead. Let's get rid of them."
01:11:39
>> [clears throat] >> It doesn't sound really stupid. Doesn't it sound stupid that when you say it out
01:11:43
loud? Cuz I guarantee you, I walk into a house with my family dead, shit's about to hit the fan cuz we got
01:11:49
to figure out what the hell just happened, and I'm calling the cops. I Yeah, I don't We're telling you we've
01:11:54
done our research. I've gotten zero sleep in 5 days. I'm I mean, I'm We're not letting this go.
01:12:01
This is a triple homicide. And not letting it go is exactly what investigators are going to spend the
01:12:07
rest of the day trying to do, hoping Cassandra will eventually crack and give them the full story. Unfortunately
01:12:14
though, this is the closest they will get to a real admission as Cassandra begins to backpedal and returns to a
01:12:21
revised version of events where she claims they found their family members already dead. They then simply decide to
01:12:28
cover up the scene to avoid getting in trouble because Cain believed the police were corrupt. Detectives would spend
01:12:34
until nightfall pressing Cassandra with no success, and she ultimately sticks to
01:12:39
the same story. So, before ending the interview and leaving, Agent Graham has one more rather strange question that's
01:12:46
been on his mind all this time. Yeah, that's his to my phone. He knew my passwords. Like I said, I trusted him.
01:12:53
Now, he >> to be my brother. Can I ask you a really weird question? Sure. No, never mind. No, go for it. Why would
01:13:01
the Why was there a Why did you guys buy a brand new box of condoms? No, that was a joke.
01:13:08
It should be the skin on late sex, and I had bought those in Chattanooga. And they were hers. And I threw them at
01:13:16
Walter because I was tired of having kids, and I was tired of being pregnant all the
01:13:20
time. Well, why would they be in the penthouse? I that I don't know. Why Why would they be in the penthouse?
01:13:28
>> That's why I have a weird question. Last time I knew about them, they were in the
01:13:32
[ __ ] They They were at [music] my house. Well, these This was in the well house
01:13:37
with all of the cleanup. He told me that there was a possibility that Kieran wasn't
01:13:46
um his mother due to DNA test DNA DNA results. And that's there was a potential that he
01:13:54
had feelings for me. Cain? Mhm. [clears throat and cough] And that didn't That didn't That's not
01:14:00
That's not weird for you? Like to be around him with that with your kids when you guys are pretty much
01:14:05
brother and sister? Like it was weird, but he never acted on it. I thought you guys were step-siblings.
01:14:12
Not half-siblings. No, we're half-siblings. Well, cuz we also found a pregnancy test. Yep. I had a one-night
01:14:18
stand at the variety, and I didn't start my period on time, and I panic, and I overthink, and there
01:14:24
should be four of them. The detectives' tone makes it clear they aren't convinced, suspecting Cain and
01:14:31
Cassandra are hiding important details about their relationship. By now though, what investigators came here to do is
01:14:38
partially successful. Even though there's still no direct admission tying their suspects to the killings,
01:14:43
Cassandra has implicated both herself and Cain in the cover-up. Because of this, Cassandra is officially detained
01:14:50
and brought back to the police station. What exactly was said during Cassandra's
01:14:54
arrest remains unknown, but the pressure appears to have completely broken her. In the hours that followed, she went on
01:15:03
to further incriminate Cain, seemingly doing everything she could to distance herself from what happened, no matter
01:15:09
the cost to him. A betrayal that would later come as a complete shock to Cain. All I knew was it's like
01:15:17
I had PTSD from the last time I saw cops because there was my blood all over the
01:15:24
floor and my head through the wall, and I was trying to protect him from that. If he was really as innocent as he said
01:15:33
he was, then there was going to be nothing to hide, right? >> [snorts] >> Which is why I dropped him off at the
01:15:39
jail. I was pretty shocked that he showed up at the at the police department in Mississippi.
01:15:46
Cuz I told him if he was as innocent as he told me that he was, if he really found them the way they
01:15:53
were, then that's all he had to tell you guys, and you would figure out the rest.
01:16:00
In the following days, Cain is brought into an interrogation room, this time in an orange jumpsuit for what would be his
01:16:06
final interview. Agent Graham is assigned to conduct the interview, the same investigator who previously spoke
01:16:12
with Cassandra and secured her confession. By this stage, Graham knows the case inside and out, and he
01:16:19
approaches the interview with a deliberate strategy, intent on extracting as much information as
01:16:24
possible. And in this case, that's exactly what's needed because now, more than ever, detectives need a confession.
01:16:32
Right as the interrogation begins, Cain makes a desperate attempt to ensure Cassandra is keeping her story together.
01:16:38
He seems to be completely unaware that Cassandra isn't protecting him anymore. Do you happen to have a pen handy? I do.
01:16:47
Do you have her number? Mm. Because I have it in my wallet at the jail, but they won't let me access it,
01:16:57
and I need to make sure that she's okay because she mentioned wanting to go back
01:17:00
down to New Mexico. And after doing it once, that's already a hard enough trip. Well, I talked to her Sunday when she
01:17:08
got back into Roswell. >> I don't even know what today is, man. At this point, Cain still believed
01:17:13
Cassandra was in Mississippi and hadn't spoken to officers since their first contact. Unfortunately, not only did
01:17:20
Cassandra confess since then, but she did it in front of the very detective sitting just feet away. So,
01:17:27
I talked to her on Sunday. I would travel to Roswell when she got in. I talked to her for probably, I don't
01:17:33
know, more than two, less than four hours, okay? And then [music] on Monday, I traveled to Roswell again, and I
01:17:42
talked to her again. Okay. For about, I don't know, two hours, okay? But I learned a lot from her.
01:17:49
Okay? And I'm hoping that I'm going to learn more from you. Um I don't want to call anybody a liar,
01:17:57
but I think there's some inconsistencies with your statements cuz I want you to know that there's going to be a lot of
01:18:01
questions that I ask you that I already know the answer to, but this is going to
01:18:05
be a test for you to see if you're being truthful with me, okay? Because it is I
01:18:08
know what's the truth because I've been working this case since Wednesday the 22nd,
01:18:13
okay? After Agent Graham makes it obvious Cain is on his own now, the interview demeanor changes fast. He wastes no time
01:18:21
bringing up Cassandra's confession and placing it directly against Cain, making it clear that detectives are no longer
01:18:27
relying on his version of events alone. Um Did you hurt anybody inside that house,
01:18:35
including Victor, Killian, and Mary? No, [music] sir. So, how does Victor, Killian, and Mary
01:18:43
just mysteriously go missing? I I've been trying to find out the same. You do understand though that that we
01:18:52
found all three of them, correct? I believe Special Agent Silva did tell you that.
01:18:59
He alluded to something that I was really hoping is not truthful. So, I'm just going to I'm not really one
01:19:15
to beat around the bush, okay? Um I I just I call it like it is, okay? But Cassie's told me everything that's
01:19:22
happened. Okay? She told me your involvement. She told me what you guys did. That you walked into the house.
01:19:30
You found all three of them dead. You guys picked up their bodies. You put them in the blue Subaru.
01:19:37
You drove it up the hill. You guys both tipped it over. She told me it all. Okay? You guys used
01:19:43
the little green dolly to pick them up and put them on the dolly. Wheel them out to the car.
01:19:47
You tied a rope around Killian's waist. Hooked the rope up to your dad's hitch and drove the car to pull them into the
01:19:53
backseat. So, the gig's up, Kane. Okay? I I told you I don't beat around the bush.
01:20:00
We've done it I've worked over 100 hours in 1 week. Okay? This is serious. So, now
01:20:07
this is your opportunity and your chance to tell me your side of the story. Cassie's told me hers. Okay.
01:20:12
Okay? Okay. As Kane sits in silence, the realization sets in. He's on his own now, and
01:20:22
whatever story he had planned coming into this interrogation has now been flipped entirely on its head. But, Agent
01:20:28
Graham presents the story strategically. By laying it out exactly as Cassandra described it, he gives Kane an opening
01:20:35
to admit only to helping conceal the murders while shifting responsibility for the actual killings onto someone
01:20:41
else. If he can get this confession first, it'll be significantly easier to get Kane to confess to the killings
01:20:48
later on. Do you want to start back at the beginning? And I know the date that all this
01:20:53
happened, also. I can I can tell you what happened. I can't tell you why. I have
01:21:05
I don't know. I was trying to find out. I [ __ ] up your crime scene. And I'm sorry for that.
01:21:17
Is everything that I just said what Cassie told me? Is that accurate? To a degree. And what isn't?
01:21:25
When we went to the house that day. And it's just you and Cassie. Yeah. Not Not the kids. No.
01:21:33
There's a witness, too. And who is that? The mailman. He can attest to this. Like the post the postal man that drives
01:21:46
and delivers the mail in the mailboxes? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We had gotten there just before him.
01:21:53
He went up. I told her to hang tight for a minute because that meant that everybody would be awake.
01:21:58
And that was kind of looking hopeful. Killian was up and moving about. And I knocked on the door. I told him,
01:22:06
"Hey, you just missed the postman." And he was real fidgety. He was scratching his head a lot.
01:22:14
He was irritated. And I told him, "Hey, I got some good news. Everything's moving along with the
01:22:21
mortgage company. We're looking to move in and we ought to be all set by like the end of the month.
01:22:28
Everything should be good. They got my process or my status is pending." He closed the door.
01:22:36
And I watched him take the mail off to the bedroom. And then he went back and I [ __ ] you not, I heard like
01:22:49
must have been 20 gunshots. I didn't even think to do the front door. I just ran
01:22:58
around to the side, came through my door. And it wasn't closed all the way. I ran
01:23:16
through the bedroom. My uncle Vic was laying in his doorway with a gun in one hand.
01:23:26
His other was like shaking. Just kind of like floating there. And Killian was across [snorts] from
01:23:37
him. I don't know why. I don't know who shot. I don't know. So, where I'm sorry.
01:24:00
I'm sorry, Kane, but I don't mean to be an ass, okay? But, I know when you were going down this road
01:24:06
that that's where you were headed. Okay? That one of them did all this. The evidence They both had guns. Kane
01:24:14
and Victor both had guns. Killian. I mean, Killian, sorry. They both had [ __ ] guns and they told me there
01:24:22
weren't any left in the house. Where are they? You and Cassie were the only ones in
01:24:26
there. So, what did you guys do with the guns? Do you see that we're I've been doing this for a long time,
01:24:32
okay? I'm not dumb. This isn't my first homicide. Okay? Kane falls directly into Agent Graham's
01:24:40
trap, confessing to concealing the bodies and giving a terribly thought-out lie about who committed the murders.
01:24:48
But, Graham doesn't stop there and begins pressing further, letting Kane know that nothing he can say at this
01:24:54
point will dig him out of his grave. I'm not I'm not going to hurt I'm not going to lie to you though, Kane. Like
01:25:00
this was a pretty This was a pretty tough one for us. This took a lot of time. This is the most
01:25:05
that we've ever spent on a case, by the way. This is the farthest we've been to investigate one, too.
01:25:12
And I mean, the whole [music] wrapping the rope around Killian's waist and pulling him in with the other car.
01:25:17
I mean, that was pretty creative. And I'm being serious. I'm not being a smart ass.
01:25:23
I don't I don't know how I would have got him in the car, either. I don't know how I would have got him on the wagon.
01:25:29
That's 200 lbs dead weight. 280 lbs dead weight. That's a lot. I mean, you're not much bigger than me.
01:25:38
I mean, think about how crazy Think about how crazy that sounds though. Like you were cremating them.
01:25:44
And you went up there on the 22nd and you burned them, right? After you and her put chain [music] link
01:25:50
over the top of the car with the little camouflage tarp thing and all the sticks
01:25:56
and brush covering it. I I did try to offer them a cremation. I mean, that was nice of you.
01:26:07
But, I didn't hurt them. Cuz the rest of the family didn't get to say their goodbyes.
01:26:13
There aren't enough of us left. And I mean, I got to give it to you, too. Using the camel lungs
01:26:21
and the steel pipe to prop it over to get it dumped over. Like this is one of the
01:26:28
one of the most creative homicides that I've seen. I didn't hurt anybody, sir. I would never hurt my family.
01:26:38
Well, but Kane, that's what they all say. I just [snorts] don't I don't buy that
01:26:43
you didn't do it. I'm sorry. I can't. I I think Cassie's full of [ __ ] on a lot
01:26:47
of things, but I don't think she's full of [ __ ] on that. And I'm not so sure that she wasn't
01:26:52
involved in it, to be honest with you. She wasn't even there, sir. Okay. Well, I'm telling you right now,
01:26:58
Cassie's in jail. That's why you can't get a hold of her. Then I need an attorney. Okay.
01:27:08
I didn't hurt anybody, sir. Uh my next question is, are you going to sign a waiver of extradition to go back
01:27:25
to Mexico, or do you want to us have to get a governor's warrant and you sit up here in our our jail for
01:27:31
months? Do you mean New Mexico? Yeah. Okay. What do you think, Detective? I I can't
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tell you, but I can serve you with this target notice, okay? These are the charges that are being filed against
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you. Um this is what we're going for grand jury, okay? I can't accept that. Well, it's not an
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option. That's what These are the charges that are coming against me. Yes, sir. These are These are your charges.
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Clearly, Kane doesn't seem to understand the law, and he'll be fighting the charges regardless of whether he accepts
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them or not. On paper, [music] Kane is charged with an array of crimes, including arson, aggravated burglary,
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and three counts of first-degree murder. Additionally, Cassandra would be officially charged following the
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interrogation, also getting three counts of first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and tampering with
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evidence. In [music] the weeks that follow, detectives and prosecutors begin assembling the full picture. The blood
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patterns inside the house, the cleanup supplies, [music] the burned Subaru, the shell casings, the clothing, the phone
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records, and Cassandra's own statements describing the disposal of the bodies. And after countless sleepless nights,
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investigators believe they have finally pieced together what happened. Victor, Mary, and Killian were killed
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near the south bedroom and kitchen before being moved through the house. Their bodies were then loaded into
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Victor's blue Subaru, which Kane allegedly drove into the canyon, pushed over a ditch, and set on fire. Kane's
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shifting stories and control of the green Subaru point investigators towards him as the primary actor, while
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Cassandra's admissions place her squarely in the cleanup and cover-up. Detectives see Kane returning from
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Canada as the start of a growing grievance over what he believes is rightfully his, 22 acres of family land.
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They allege that a dispute over the property motivated Cain and that he drew Cassandra into a plan to cover up the
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deaths and claim control of the land. For now, both remain presumed innocent [music] unless and until they are proven
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guilty in court. If convicted, they could each face multiple life sentences under New Mexico law with decades behind
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bars before any possibility of parole. As for Mike Lordis and the other relatives, they can rest safely for now,
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praying that those responsible never see the light of day again.