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Hey, you open that fit in here. I mean, she's in there. Oh, she's in there. Police department.
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Police department. Hi. Hi. How's it going? Are you Patricia? No, I'm her daughter, Carol.
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This is 50-year-old Carol Ray. She lives with her mother, Patricia, and her three-year-old daughter.
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Is Patricia here? No, she's not here right now. She's with her sister. Okay. I'm just asking cuz someone was
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worried. They didn't know where she was at. My son, John, and him and her are having
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a little bit of a tiff because owes her quite a bit of money. He's been trying to call her for 24 hours now. And I gave
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her the message yesterday. This made sense to the cops. Carol's mother, Patricia, didn't want to deal
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with her [music] greedy grandson and decided to move out and ignore him. Or at least that's what Carol claimed
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because at this point, police are completely unaware of the horrifying secrets that lie just feet away from
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them [music] inside the house. And over the course of the next few days, this simple missing person's report would
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turn into hands down the most gruesome and disturbing case that they had ever worked on.
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And and then I get a text message from Carol Carol's mom, but it doesn't read like Carol's mom.
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My grandma just texted me, I guess. Okay. Send the cops to my house again. My grandma's not at the house.
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It's clear that you're not telling us the truth. Where is she at, Carol? Following the interaction with Carol the
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previous night, Jon would call the police again, slowly becoming more concerned that something had happened to
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Patricia. So, at 11:00 a.m. on January 22nd, officers would arrive at Carol's house for a second time with the intent
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to find a conclusive answer to John's worries. Um, grandma's Patricia, mom is Carol.
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Hi. Hi. Are you Carol? Yes. Is Patricia here? No, she's not. She's getting her B12
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shot or something like that with Dr. Positive. It's not written down anywhere in here.
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Uh, maybe onion break down. There's Dr. T on the um old calendar. this little girl.
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This is my daughter Alison, her granddaughter. Hi. Oh, okay. Does she live here with you?
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Yeah, we live together. Your grandma or your mom? Sorry. Yeah, she's been uh she's been staying at her sister's house
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for a couple of uh couple of days cuz we just got diagnosed with pneumonia and got home from the hospital. I had a
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diverticulitis that ruptured. Okay. So, so she's back here though, staying here primarily now?
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Both still. I mean, all of her clothes and everything are here. Um, she came by yesterday and she was here last, not
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last night, but night before last. And she was here yesterday for until about 5:00 p.m. and pick up her medications.
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Okay. And a fresh change of clothes and stuff like that. Okay. Well, the reason we're here is
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because your children are concerned about your grandma. My son John. Yeah. He sent you guys over
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last night, which I contacted my mother about cuz she had a fit and I was going to go down to the Lville Police
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Department today about it. Well, there's a little bit of a financial money issue
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between my mother and my oldest son, John. Okay. And he borrows a lot of money from her,
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doesn't repay it. He's got a truck in the backyard. She bought him a car in the garage that she bought him that she
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took back because he didn't pay the insurance on it. So, my mom is very finicky [music] woman. She got me [ __ ]
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about that and I'll call him when I goddamn ready to call him. I got things to take care of.
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Okay. Okay. Okay. My mom and she's 69 this year. Based on Carol's story, Patricia is back
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living at her house and is currently at the doctor's office getting a monthly shot. Everything lines up. Patricia
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temporarily stopped communicating with Jon due to a financial dispute. However, Jon, being a caring grandchild, got
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worried something more sinister was at play. [music] It seems like it was just miscommunication. However, officers
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decide to get all of Patricia's information and check her room just to ensure nothing's off.
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All right. Where's her room here? I know. It's right back here. Can we just look at it?
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Yeah. You want to see where her clothes and everything? You want to show them? I'm sorry, baby. You want to show them
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where Grandma Be's room is? Her room is the last one on the right. Alison is the
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first one on the left here. Yep. We haven't let Natalie sleep in this bedroom since Grandma Be spent the
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night. so that she can have her stuff on. All my mom's stuff and all her clothes are in there.
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All my mom's stuff is right there. There's clothes that she just washed. Okay. All right. We're good.
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We just We get the call, you know, and then there's one side of the story and then there's the other. So, if he's got
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everyone worked up like he said, he might call, someone else might call, and you don't want us showing up here a
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million times. So, we want to just see her in person. Hey, you're fine. That's all we need to do.
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Okay. Okay. All righty. All righty. Thank you. You're welcome. Have a good day. The officers have one simple task to
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wrap this case up. Simply confirm Patricia is okay with their own eyes. To do this, Officer Pelt decides to call
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the doctor's office where Patricia is apparently being treated. However, the call doesn't go as planned. [music]
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Hi, this is Casey from Cardiology. How can I help you? Hi, this is Officer Pelt with the
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Roseville Police Department. I'm just calling because I believe you [snorts] have a patient in your office by the
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name of Patricia Bennett and she has some family members that are concerned about her and are trying to
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just make sure she's there. Um, nope. Um, she's not here. Her actually they might have got the date
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mixed up. Her appointment is um February the 13th, but I'm going to go ahead and
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ask a couple of my colleagues just to make sure like did she come here? or anything like that. I'm planning on
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coming there. No. Um she's not supposed to be in today. Nobody's um seen like she hasn't
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come in yet or anything like that, but we can watch out and contact you. Suddenly, things are starting to
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misalign. Jon insists that he thinks Patricia is missing and now the only person living with her is lying about
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her current location. Something is definitely not adding up. So officers decide to speak to John again to further
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investigate the strange situation. I just don't get why my grandma would make a Facebook post saying she's at
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home. You guys show up and she's not there. [music] And that was literally 2 minutes. As
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soon as you pulled away, she texted my dad there. There may be other circumstances that uh
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we're not aware of or the family's not aware of. I hope I just have a pistol. So what your expectation is that this
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woman here is who's your mother is hiding your grandmother from you? Yeah. For what reason?
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For months. She's trying to take the money from her that you think is entitled to you.
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No, her grandma. I don't know. You know your grandmother? What? Our grandma raised us.
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Raised you. Okay. Okay. So, generally, yes. I'm really concerned. Our mom's been in and out of her life
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where she's at, right? Okay. Our mom was never in her life and I just don't want my grandma to be
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passed away and she's collecting or hopefully she's just hiding her cuz she's sick
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and my grandma always wants us. No, I'd rather have a pissed off grandma than a missing or a dead. Well, if she's dead,
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then I mean, if she's got a body hiding somewhere or has done away with her, I mean, and then trying to collect social
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security or whatever she receives. I mean, that takes some effort. My grandma has fraudulent uh has on her
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police reports on when was that? Couple years ago. A couple years ago. Okay. And what
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happened to those charges? I think my grandma decided to not pursue them. Okay. Holy. I had [snorts] like
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lock her up cuz that's your daughter. But I'm not trying to get her in trouble, but why would you keep lying and lying
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and lying? But so that's why I'm thinking that nothing's adding up. My grandma just texted me again.
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Okay. Sending the cops to my house again. My grandma's not at the house. John's claims are frankly terrifying.
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Not only does he suspect his mother of stealing from Patricia and using her money, but he thinks she may have even
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murdered her. Accusing your own mother of committing such a terrible act is something officers need to take
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seriously. [music] However, there's no evidence to suggest that Carol had even harmed Patricia, let alone killed her.
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So, these claims feel drastic, unfounded, and premature. Officer Jerobic seems to have felt these claims
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were over the top as well. So, he would lead Jon to the station to file a missing person's report. Additionally,
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he wants to learn about Jon's history with Carol and why he thinks she may have killed Patricia. Alongside Jon
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would be Carol's ex-husband, TJ, who claimed to have important information that could help solve the case.
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We're just going to record you and I. All right. All right. So, when did you physically
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last see your grandmother eye to eye? Probably after Halloween, beginning of November before I went to North
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Carolina. I came back from North Carolina Thanksgiving. So, didn't see her. went there on Christmas, didn't see
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her, and I've been calling her and asking her to call me. I need to hear your voice or have my mom have you call
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me. I need to hear your voice or I'm going to do well for a check. I threatened that a couple weeks ago.
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All right. Yesterday I just cracked and finally called it in. And now you haven't had any voice
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contact with her since Thanksgiving. Texting me off her phone or off her Facebook, but I know it's not her just
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because the words they use. It's not how my grandma talks. When was the last time you saw Carol?
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I thought I saw Carol period. Not Carol. Um, Patricia. Oh, okay. I'm like I'm like every time I
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drop my daughter. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're like Patricia contact with Patricia. Yes.
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Yeah. It was around Halloween time. I did receive one text message the other day stating that she was um sorry for
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holding up Carol. Carol and my daughter were supposed to hang out because it was
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my birthday this weekend. Getting around 6:00. I saw I text. I'm like, "What the
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[ __ ] going on?" You know, it's my birthday. We're supposed to be celebrating it and blah blah. You,
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Carol, and Allison are supposed to be celebrating on Sunday, your birthday, right? And then, um, I get a text
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message from Carol, Carol's mom, but it doesn't read like Carol's mom, but it says, "So, I am holding her up, signing
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over the cars and giving her title to house and insurance stuff." So, she cab get that stuff fined Monday. [music] It
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gets kind of when Carol types, a lot of times it comes up kind of uh misspelled.
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It's cuz she glasses and stuff like that. The only contact that you've had with her was from a random message and
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she said that she was with my aunt. So I did some research. I went there today and spoke with my anchor. She hasn't
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spoken with my grandma since 2015. Remember how Carol said that Patricia moved over to live at her sister's
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house. Is Patricia here? No, she's not here right now. She's with her sister. John visited that house and
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Patricia's sister claimed that she hasn't seen Patricia in over 5 years. And she was messaging me today while we
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were there with the cops saying that she was home and messaging my dad that she was home. What we know she wasn't there
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cuz the cops were there. My dad screenshotted them all and sent me those messages.
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Okay. Can you email those to me? Um, one thing I do know and I mean in this type of situation I would hope it's
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more true than it is the other is um I've been I mean I've known like said I've known Carol since I've been 20. I
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mean like bold face like you can show her like here's a picture of you and I have here's a picture of you doing this
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and da it's not me. [laughter] I mean so so she's always been a a chronic chronic liar especially when
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she's off her meds. Um she cuz she does take um lots of medicines longer than I think when we were together. I mean, you
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you I'm sure you can get her list of medicines that she was taking, but I guess she she lost she lost her um
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therapist, so she has not had medicine for the last couple months. [snorts] And when that happens, things get kind of
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wonky with her. Many other conversations and then calling the house phone, social
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media off of messenger, calling her that way, texting her, nothing. And then on 12th of January, my mom texts me off her
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phone saying, "Grandma be sleeping, getting overnea here." I was like, "Have her call me. I need to hear her voice.
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She never does this. She always calls me." And there's no response. These interviews help clarify why John
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would go as far as saying Carol had killed Patricia. She's been lying to them for months. Nobody's been able to
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see or speak to Patricia, and she happens to have a decent surplus of cash that the family has been pulling from.
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And remember, on top of all of that, Carol lied to police about Patricia's whereabouts at the doctor's office. The
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evidence makes it abundantly clear that Carol's not telling the truth and trying
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to hide something, and it's likely something horrifying. So, police try and visit her house a third and final time,
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but this time, they aren't leaving without answers. Hello. Hello. Hi again. Hi. Is she here now?
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No, she's up at the Weber Cancer Institute getting her B12 shot. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be creepy
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with you, but where is she at? We're just getting conflicting with information. The doctor's office that you told us she
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went to, she's not there. Woods cardiovascular is where she goes. Dr. Tazu is who treats her lucasic white
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blood cell cancer. Not the white blood cell. You said she was at Woods Cardiovascular
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because she has a lot of What's your What's your daughter's name? That's Alison.
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Alison. Alison. Alison. You're just getting conflicting information from That's a nice balloon.
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Thank you. I can't cardiovascular is where she's been treated. Mhm. Yeah. Is where she's been treated for a long
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time with Dr. How did she get there? How did she get there? Her sister drives her or I drive her.
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You didn't drive her today. So today. and sometimes her name across the street. How did she get there today though?
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I believe her sister. Her sister? The sister that lives in Warren? Yes. Okay. But you don't have your sister's
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number. I don't talk with my aunt or my uncle. Well, last night's okay. She stayed over there when the officer
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came here. She did not speak directly to her. No, she spoke to me. Okay. Because she was at my aunt. She
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was here. Yes. Right before last. Is that your phone? She was here. Yes. That's the one I just
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gave you. Listen, we just want to know where this lady is. I understand, but you guys are upsetting
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my daughter and you're upsetting me. She doesn't look upset. Um cuz you only hear what she says when she
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leaves. I just went through a really bad domestic violence divorce situation and
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CPS up my butt for the past two. We're not here, but that's not what we're here for. We're here to find out
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if your mom's okay. We got a bunch of people who are concerned about her and no one seems to know where she my son's
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father. My son and his brother, which he's got his brother on high alert now, which his brother's wife was just here
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yesterday morning while my mom is laying on the couch to pick up $200 to do her tabs for the car for my son's car.
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Not going to. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I can show you a picture of my mom. She's sending messages telling everyone
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she's here. She's [snorts] currently here. No, she's coming back here because she just
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called. She just called. Why don't you call her right now while we're here? Yeah.
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And she's on her way. Then shortly we'll be able to resolve this. Can I turn this back on to her?
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Yeah. You can see that I'm actually Oh, you want to put on speaker phone? Will she answer you?
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I don't know. She went up there to get her B12 shot. Notice the drastic change in Carol's demeanor when she was
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directly asked to call Patricia. She's no longer deflecting, but rather soft-spoken and deliberate with her
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choice of words. Pay attention to Carol's body language as she's asked more of these direct questions.
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I know she's supposed to be calling John because John's the one that started this
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3, four nights ago threatening to call if she didn't talk to him. Yeah. if she didn't talk to him by noon the next day.
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I had her call before she went to Sam's Club. It was like 11:45, 11:50. Is it possible then that she could just
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speak to John? Directly? Yeah. Well, then why hasn't she like face to face so that they're at
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ease? Well, she's at ease, right? We're sending messages to you. You want to call her again?
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We were just concerned. I'm sorry. She was talking. You were talking. The phone was ringing. What did
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you say? Why can't your mother directly speak to John? Not through a message, not through text.
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She can't. I don't have nothing to do with her and John, though. Well, that's why we're here.
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I'm getting stuck in the middle of it. And so are we. So are we. And we have to figure We have
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to see her. You want to just try to call her again? What's the doctor's office she's at?
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What's No, the Weber Cancer Center is behind Mcome Hospital. Coincidentally, Officer Pelt would call this doctor's
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office, and yet again, Patricia was nowhere to be found. Officer Pelt knew something was off and decided to call in
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Detective Jerobex to question Carol officially and confront her about her growing list of lies.
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Doesn't look if this does go downhill when she starts making any admissions, let's stop, get
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her to the station. We'll do a search warrant, whatever we have to do from the house. But if she starts,
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you want to do a consent search first? So we can gather and hit the house first to shift consent.
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Yeah, let's see. Let's start out with that. She's already let me go through the house.
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Did you go through the garage? I have not been through the cars and check the cars.
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No, I just went through the house. It's going to go south quickly. So she's at She's at her breaking.
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This is Detective Gary Licks. Excuse me. Hi. So, we're going to I mean, if you don't mind, we'll get consent from you
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to search the house to see if there's anything that would lead us to think of who she may have went with to help you
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out and figure out where she went. She didn't she didn't tell you otherwise, right? You're under the
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impression she was supposed to be with her sister. Yes. That's what she told you.
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Yeah. [music] Who who lives in the house? I do. My mom and this little girl are older.
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Has she done this in the past? My mom doesn't tell anybody where she what she done. And your but your her son
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seemed pretty concerned that she was injured. Yeah. Yeah. But she tells you that she's [music]
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with your sister. Her sister. That's got me That's concerning. Correct. That's got me worried. Not worried, but
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aggravated. Not answering her phone calls. The people that she says she's with, she's
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not. Mhm. That's got meated because I won't feel right if I leave this house without looking for anything that can
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point us in the right direction. I want to do my job properly and make sure that
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and I guarantee [music] when she walks back in this door and she finds out that I searched for her through her stuff to
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help try to find her. She's probably going to be okay with it because that's what most people would be okay with.
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Correct. I'll open up her bedroom door so you can see her stuff or whatever. I'll unlock
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the car for you so you can look at it and whatever or whatever you want to do. I don't want to sign anything and get in
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trouble. Okay. All of her games. Okay. When your mom left, did she take like a toothbrush, a bag of clothes,
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like she was spending the night anywhere? No, she's a personal thing. Oh, yeah. Does she normally sleep over
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people's house without um Well, she does. She did this time. She has in the past puzzles.
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She does have obviously medical issues. Oh, yeah. She's had medical issues for a
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while. What I'm saying is that that's also when we're looking at somebody being missing,
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it's concerning because anything can happen when she's had COPD. She's got she's had a stroke already. You
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understand she she's out there. You seem very concerned. I'm trying I'm more concerned for your mom than you
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are. I am concerned. [music] I just I've talked to her and seen her in the past 24 48 hours and [music]
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but now I'm frazzled because she's lied to me about talking to my and I don't know why
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she would do that. So I mean we're concerned cuz your mom your mom left but she didn't even pack a
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bag to go you know for an overnight she normally won't even when she came out to my trailer that I
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was remodeling up on. So for like an overnight, you don't pack like a just a toothbrush, a change of clothes,
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underwear. Have any teeth? Obviously, something's going on here. We're fairly certain that something's
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going on. We need to start fresh and we need to tell you, we need you to tell us
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exactly what happened. Your story is not adding up. Your story doesn't end up through it
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very quickly. You're extremely nervous. Well, yeah. I had the police here last night and today again,
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Carol, obviously something probably happened to your mother, right? You know, something that you're not
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telling us. That's that's apparent to us. We're we're trained investigators. We we know when something's not right
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and something isn't right. You have many people outside of you that are concerned
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about your mother's whereabouts. Where is she at, Carol? I don't know because she honestly said
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what she told her when she left here. The detectives haven't cracked Carol yet, but they're extremely close. If
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they can get verbal consent to search the property, they may be able to find clues to further solve the case or get
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Carol to reveal more information. All right, listen to me. Few things. You're lying a lot. Okay, I'm I'm now at
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a point where I don't believe anything you're saying. Okay, I've now confirmed another part of your story that's wrong.
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So, you need to come clean now. Let me know where your mother's at. If she's in this house or in your garage that she
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passed away from natural causes or whatever it is and you didn't want to do anything cuz maybe you needed some extra
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money for social security or whatever it is, we can get through it. But right now, what you're doing is you're hiding
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somebody who's possibly dead. Okay. Absolutely not. Carol, she hasn't been in this house in
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2 months, 3 months. Yes, she has. She's got dirty clothes in the laundry room. She's got clean
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clothes hanging right there. What does that have to do with anything? That that's that's neither here nor
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there. I don't I mean what what's going on? What What's going on in your life? Her hair.
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Yeah, that's odd because she left for the night. Wouldn't she want to brush her hair in the morning?
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Carol was caught lying through her teeth multiple times. However, despite all of
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that, detectives couldn't get the consent to search her property. This leaves them in a tough situation. It's
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clear Carol is lying and hiding Patricia's whereabouts. But with no solid evidence, they can't be certain of
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Carol's involvement in the disappearance. But luckily, the police had a trick in mind involving Carol's
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current boyfriend, Ricky. Since Ricky has been living in the house with Carol, he has the authority to give consent to
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areas of mutual access. In this situation, that allows officers to search the majority of the property
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despite Carol's objection to the search. As long as Ricky doesn't have any involvement in Patricia's disappearance,
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he would have no reason to object to a search of the property. Hey, how you doing, sir?
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Yourself? Not too bad. Are you Ricky? Yeah. Okay. Step back here. Some of these detectives want to talk with you.
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Detectives? Yeah. What's going on? Oh, they'll they'll talk with you. Um, when was the last time you saw Patricia?
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Like physically saw her in person? physically saw her. It's probably been about a month.
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Would you mind coming to the station with us so we can just sit there and talk? It's just about
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Well, we're trying to find We want to find Patricia, but we're getting She's not over at Citrus House.
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No. How long? You know what I mean? She's lied on me. And who's lied on you? Like Carol.
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Carol. Cheated on me. Yeah, cuz she's the one that told me that she was at her sister's house.
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Thankfully, it seems as though Ricky has no idea of the crimes. More importantly,
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he would agree to a search of the property, granting them access to most of the home. If they discover anything
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serious, they'll need a search warrant to investigate it further, but a cursory look around the property is now fully
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legal. They begin by searching her backyard and cars. Someone's got to search the inside.
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Who's with her? Help. Huh? Oh, huh. What's your matter? After coming up empty in the backyard,
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they check the last remaining spot, Carol's garage. Playboyfriend's here. Just want to look up here real quick.
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[snorts] Hey, you open that should fit in here. I mean bloody All right. Bloody towels. There's in here. It's all
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It's She's in there. She's in the house. Oh, she's in there. In there. Open. Let me see.
00:26:19
Hold on. I don't know. Hold on. Hold on. I don't know. Ah, I'm not just what? No. Oh, he's looking. He's looking at
00:26:28
No, nothing. I think we I opened up that grave bin and it's full of bloody towels
00:26:33
and it stinks like a dead body. Are you kidding me? Swear to God. [clears throat]
00:26:47
You got to get the search warrant up. Huh? For what? If if it's in there, Bodaker
00:26:52
wants us for what? If there's searching for the body pillow in here. Yeah, there's a body.
00:27:02
Yep. Where you see the legs from the park? Okay. I'll go get this thing up. Somebody said he was back here, so he
00:27:11
needs to That's a boyfriend. He just showed up. We've been looking for Hi, Lieutenant.
00:27:24
Um, I just opened up a big plastic storage bin and uh smelled really bad. It was full of blood and towels and you
00:27:32
can see a body in there. So, it's kind of where we're at. All right, we hook her, bring her in. What about
00:27:39
everybody was saying people, the brothers, we need to find out what they were telling officers cuz they were
00:27:43
saying he was like in the back back there yesterday. It was coming and going. Somebody seen
00:27:49
there was still moisture on the top of that. I opened it and there's still moisture on the top. So that's not been
00:27:55
in there long. And they were somebody we got to talk to over there. They said, "Hey, you know,
00:28:00
the door was open yesterday and he was coming and going and then all of a sudden his car was gone." This dude,
00:28:05
whose boyfriend is it? This is the mom. I say we're bringing Not only had they found Patricia's
00:28:15
deceased body in the storage bin, but the body still wasn't dry, meaning the murder couldn't have been more than 2
00:28:22
months ago, as John originally suspected. This terrifying scene couldn't have made the truth more clear.
00:28:28
Carol Ray had killed her mother and had been covering it up for weeks. However, she may not have been the only one
00:28:35
involved in this. Ricky had been staying at the house for months now, and the cops believe he had to have known about
00:28:41
the murder if he'd been living beside it the entire time. With this in mind, police placed Carol under arrest
00:28:46
immediately and detain Ricky, too. Carol, go ahead and stand up for me. Put your hands behind your back. Okay.
00:28:57
I think you know where we're going, but I suggest you think about what you need to tell us. Okay.
00:29:06
I might have uh my pop knife on me over there. Following Carol and Ricky's arrest, both
00:29:12
would sit in a jail cell while they waited for detectives to arrive at the station. Multiple hours later, they
00:29:17
would bring Carol in for her first interrogation. [music] Obviously, Carol, we're here to talk to
00:29:25
you about what's going on here. The further we let this keep rolling, the further it's going to get without
00:29:31
you being able to, you know, shed some light on this. Okay. The goal for this interrogation is not
00:29:37
to get Carol to confess because she obviously did it, but to determine a motive and figure out if Ricky was also
00:29:45
involved. You might say something and it comes out wrong for something like this one cuz
00:29:51
it's like an accident. I'm just throwing yourself explaining explain process. You explain the truth and it will come
00:30:00
out as the truth. I don't believe so. I'm I'm not I can't give you advice. But if you want to tell your story, you can
00:30:07
tell it how it is. I don't have to ask you any questions. If you want to get it out, you can do that. [music] At the
00:30:13
same time, once I tell you rights, if you don't want to talk, you don't have to talk.
00:30:18
[music] That night we were sleeping between 1:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m. in the morning and I
00:30:26
heard loud banging. My daughter and I were sleeping and I was in the back and my mom was sleeping on the couch.
00:30:32
Anyways, there was a big crash and it sounded like someone was breaking through the glass window or breaking
00:30:39
down the door in the living room and like I remember running down the hallway and had my train finger on the trigger
00:30:46
like an idiot. I was not running but walking back down the hallway and I did with my right foot to the
00:30:56
short and my feelings and it went off doing anything when I shove her shoulder and then I heard gurgling and I screamed
00:31:06
mom and pulled her on the floor and I noticed coming out of her mouth but I thought
00:31:14
somebody had broken the or was told that there was a huge loud crash. If a suspect is highly emotional when
00:31:24
recalling an event, they will often have trouble remembering certain details in that moment. You'll often notice the
00:31:30
suspect unable to form full sentences and stuttering in their speech. But Carol shows none of this. While crying,
00:31:37
she manages to form a detailed timeline of how she killed Patricia. This implies
00:31:42
that her story of events may be inaccurate. and the murder wasn't a mistake like she claims. Now that
00:31:48
they've heard it, however, the detectives would be able to search for evidence that explicitly countered this
00:31:53
story. And that didn't take them long at all. The very next day, they brought Carol back out of her cell and into the
00:31:59
interrogation room again. Throughout this interview, see if you can spot the information that the detectives found
00:32:05
specifically for this conversation and watch how they use it to break her story apart. Going off of what you said
00:32:11
yesterday, I know you said you're walking down the hallway rather quickly. You heard a noise and the gun the RER
00:32:19
you're walking the owls right there. You tripped you. The gun you had your finger on the
00:32:24
trigger and the gun went off. Correct. Okay. You saw your mom bleeding and then weird.
00:32:32
Oh, I think [music] I think you said you start coming out of her mouth or something.
00:32:38
And it freaked me out and I dropped off [laughter] her name. [clears throat] The cops are clearly trying to come
00:32:58
across as understanding and compassionate to Carol. But if their main goal was to make her feel
00:33:02
comfortable, they wouldn't have sat her in the corner of the room and positioned
00:33:06
themselves between her and the door. They want to eventually make her feel so cornered and pressured that she lets go
00:33:12
of the truth. So for now, this nice guy demeanor is a complete act for the detective to build rapport as he tries
00:33:19
to get her to talk as much as possible. So after that happened, obviously you found your mom
00:33:28
in a container in the garage. Now obviously my concern is kind of understand how she got there, but you
00:33:35
got to explain to me because to me it seems you're back and everything that you could [music] do this by yourself.
00:33:41
So can you walk me through? I understand obviously panic [clears throat] everything sucks in you're freaking out
00:33:47
and it's your mother you love, right? And so he was waking up. Okay. Can you kind of
00:33:54
walk me through the minutes after all that happened? Let me ask you this. Was Ricky there that night?
00:34:05
I don't you don't have to give them if you want to. Okay. Remember, an important part of this
00:34:12
interrogation was to figure [music] out if Carol's boyfriend Ricky was also involved to any extent. At the moment,
00:34:18
Carol is claiming that he wasn't on the scene at all, as they'd recently had a number of arguments. The cops would have
00:34:24
a chance to interview him later on, but for now, [music] there's one question regarding him that they just can't seem
00:34:29
to get their heads around. Okay, so Alison was leaving interview wasn't there. [clears throat]
00:34:36
Was there a baby waking up? What What happened? Did you leave your mom on the couch? Did you
00:34:45
move her somewhere else? between understand that very hard to escape obviously we're operating under panic right I mean
00:35:06
I I can picture myself in a situation panic you got your daughter there where did you move when where did you move her
00:35:12
from the house to where first we found her in the garage. Was she moved anywhere before the garage?
00:35:20
Directly in the garage. Okay. So, this is where I I this is where I'm concerned with Ricky. Your mom and I I I know this
00:35:28
is a hard detail to get through, but picking up your mom. There's no way you're picking up. How did you do that
00:35:35
by yourself? St. Ricky's birthday come over. Are you afraid to tell us? Are you afraid of Ricky?
00:35:49
You don't have to be afraid of us. Be afraid. I promise. You're scared of anything.
00:35:53
Carol remained completely silent for almost 30 seconds after she was asked this question. The cops are right to
00:36:00
assume that she's scared, but it might not be for the reasons they think. She could be scared of Ricky and the
00:36:06
consequences of implicating him in the crime, but she could also be terrified of the situation she's in. She's going
00:36:13
to jail for a very long time. There's no escaping that anymore. And that's a scary reality for her. Whatever the
00:36:19
reason is, though, the cops are still doing their best to give her a moral excuse or justification for what she did
00:36:25
so she'll talk a little more. She panicked, and anyone would have done the same. the best thing she can do to make
00:36:31
things right is to tell them exactly what happened. I mean, you know, people panic and
00:36:38
people make mistakes. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know what happens most often? Um, you know, when
00:36:44
you flee from an accident, you know, it happens all the time when when people panic, right? Say someone gets in a car
00:36:51
accident, they they smash into a car and they take off and that person ends up dying. They hear them on the news and
00:36:57
then the the lines keep going and they're like, "Shit, I should have stayed but I didn't." Right? That's the
00:37:02
mistake that you made. I should have but I think I don't want to keep revisiting
00:37:06
but I have to. How did you get the toe out of all that stuff? Is it possible somebody else could have wounded it
00:37:13
before? The cops are really focusing on Carol's inability to physically move Patricia to
00:37:18
the garage as to them it was a clear sign that somebody else had to be involved. But at this point, they're not
00:37:25
getting anywhere. Unfortunately, this isn't conclusive enough evidence to implicate anyone else, and it's not
00:37:31
getting Carol to talk. But that's okay because the detectives have one piece of evidence that they've been saving for
00:37:37
this very moment. That could prove without a doubt that everything Carol said so far has been a total lie.
00:37:45
The other thing I want to bring up is they obviously did an autopsy. Um, they found some puncture wounds in her
00:37:55
neck. Three puncture wounds. Not an old scar, but actual fresh puncture wound her neck.
00:38:02
How did those get at all? Stab with anything after the fact? Not saying you were killing her, but
00:38:15
like, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying I don't know maybe grow from she was suffering or anything like that.
00:38:30
Cuz here's what I don't want to get caught up once they tell us exactly how deep they were if it was a cause of
00:38:37
death or contributed cause of death. We can be really we have to get everything out here now
00:38:44
to try to do something with those bones that don't cause those wounds or anything like that.
00:38:49
So I want you to think right now what could have possibly caused those puncture.
00:38:54
I don't know if she had tucked in or anything like that. preliminary like a puncture at the end of a night.
00:39:10
[clears throat] A gun accidentally going off and killing someone. Unlikely, but believable. But
00:39:18
two fresh, deep knife wounds that Carol hasn't mentioned a single time. It's going to be extremely hard to explain
00:39:26
this one away. Not only does this imply the murder was completely intentional, but the fact that Carol hasn't mentioned
00:39:32
it means that she knew that was the case and wanted to try to cover that part up.
00:39:38
And again, I want to put words in your mouth. Don't want you to implicate anybody that's not implicated. That'll
00:39:44
get you in more trouble. That'll get you in more trouble. But as we sit and investigate and continue to investigate
00:39:51
in the days and weeks, months to come, more things are going to come up. I'm pretty certain you know that know
00:39:58
eventually what happened. That's my knowledge. Did know your mom even. [music] Did he say anything to you that would
00:40:11
lead you to believe that he knew? Did you actually not have a mistake? Did you actually mean to kill your
00:40:18
mother? No, I do not mean to kill my Well, I'm not saying that. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying, do you
00:40:24
understand where [music] when these things can't be answered? That's kind of odd.
00:40:30
Can Can I ask you this with with going [music] back to punctual wounds? Could you freaked out after you shot her and
00:40:35
she was still breathing and you wanted to make sure that at this point it's no good for her to be like this?
00:40:41
Absolutely not. I wouldn't know. Absolutely not. Did you maybe you kind of see like it
00:40:48
sounds terrible, but like is she alive? Is she told her some [ __ ] that I know? Okay,
00:40:54
at this point, the interrogation has been going on for over an hour, and Carol clearly doesn't intend to deviate
00:41:00
from her story, despite all the new evidence. The detectives are still no closer to obtaining a confession or any
00:41:06
information about Ricky from her. So, they figure they've got no choice but to speak to the man himself. So, later that
00:41:13
day, they bring Ricky in for an interview of his own and attempt to get the truth out of him, whatever it may
00:41:18
be. Do you have any idea what's going on? No, I don't. Yeah. No. Somebody at the house said something
00:41:27
about Patty is not at her sister's house where Carol was telling me that she was
00:41:32
at. When was the last time you physically seen Patty? You guys call her Patricia?
00:41:38
Yeah. Patty. Patricia. Call her Patty. Um, I physically seen her about I think it
00:41:46
was like a month and a half ago. It was before Thanksgiving. How often do you stay at the house?
00:41:52
Every day. I've been there except for uh if it was late at night before home, my
00:41:58
mom's house. So, you've been staying there every day? Yeah. Already Ricky is being much more open
00:42:05
and giving much better answers to all of the detectives questions. He also seems
00:42:09
exceedingly calm and as though he's just trying to help the officers out. Right now, he definitely isn't coming across
00:42:15
as a murder accomplice or blackmailer, but there's still plenty of time for the cops to catch him out.
00:42:21
What about Carol that does she work? Does she have a job? She don't go anywhere. What does she do with most of
00:42:26
her days? You know, her days um keeping Alison busy, cleaning the house, doing what she
00:42:33
can some major surgeries. Any financial issues with you or Carol or Patty or anything?
00:42:44
Nothing. Carol took care of the bills. You know where she has the money to if she's not working.
00:42:49
Oh, then she said she had a joint bank of her mouth. Carol been acting strange or suspicious
00:42:55
to you or different. She's bipolar, so it's I always said that she was world's greatest actress
00:43:02
because I can't tell when she's being here or not. That's a condition of bipolar. very compulsive liars and I've
00:43:11
been caught in a lot of her webs before. I've been telling her she's been feeling
00:43:15
more distant. Ricky, I mean, I don't really necessarily know you obviously, but you seem pretty nervous to me.
00:43:21
What's What's going on? Is there something you're nervous about? I'm nervous about anything.
00:43:27
Where did you sleep when you were there? Mostly in the bedroom with Carol. Carol's bedroom. Where did um
00:43:35
sometimes where did Alice sleep? Um mostly in her bedroom. Let me ask you about the garage. You
00:43:44
ever go in the garage? Yeah. Ever? Ever? When's the last time you think you were
00:43:50
in the garage or on the crus? I think we went to go look for a screwdriver. Jeez. I don't know. I think it was early
00:44:01
December. It's been a couple of weeks. Did she have you go in the court or did you go?
00:44:07
No, I was just going to wait. Compared to Carol's interrogation, this one seems extremely laid-back and
00:44:13
relaxed. It feels as though there's a big chance Ricky genuinely just doesn't know what's going on. However, the cops
00:44:20
do pick up on the fact that he's a little nervous. He's finding it hard to look the detectives in the eyes, and he
00:44:25
seems a little softspoken. So to clear things up fully, they decide to put the pressure on big time to see if he
00:44:32
breaks. Ricky, we got a problem. We got a real big problem. I think you know what it
00:44:38
is, and I think you need to be honest and upfront with us. So, we're going to give you the opportunity now. Tell us
00:44:44
what really happened. That's what happened. What happened? What I told you. I'm not I'm not talking about the little
00:44:54
details we've been asking. I'm talking about with Patty. Patty? I don't know. She's been at her
00:44:59
sister's house as far as I know. We know Patty's deceased and Patty's got a gunshot wound to her and she was found
00:45:06
in a tote in that garage. So, you have to tell us everything you know so you don't implicate yourself
00:45:10
anymore. Yes, sir. Cuz here's the thing, Ricky. There's things there's investigative tools we
00:45:17
have. We're going to find out exactly when she died, where you were when she died, which I'm betting you were in that
00:45:24
house, and you know exactly what happened. Nobody had a problem with that. I'm not saying you had a problem with
00:45:35
her. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying you know something. I don't I don't know anything. I swear
00:45:44
you don't know this woman. This woman, Frell, she has [ __ ] with my head. She has seized it on me behind my back
00:45:53
without me knowing about it. The only way I found out about it was tripping over stuff finding it on accident. Her
00:46:02
showing me something on her phone. Then all of a sudden, I love you too baby pops up on her phone.
00:46:08
Why are you with her? We went to counseling this year. Tried to make things work because I love her.
00:46:14
I love it. And in a sense, you find, oh, I really do. This is not the reaction a guilty person
00:46:22
would give in this position. He's never defensive and he never gets annoyed. He just tries to explain things exactly as
00:46:27
they are. He's not upset that he's been caught. It feels like he's upset that he'd ever be accused of this. He also
00:46:33
gave a few pieces of information that could be backed up by the detectives, such as the fact that Carol had been
00:46:38
cheating on him and that they'd been in therapy. In just 5 minutes, detectives went from assuming him to be the main
00:46:45
accomplice to completely discounting him as a suspect. Carol, however, completely
00:46:50
stayed in the spotlight, and it was eventually assumed that she acted alone and with intent in Patricia's murder. It
00:46:57
was determined that Carol killed Patricia all the way back in November and hid her body for roughly 2 months
00:47:03
before Jon had caught on to her act. Although Carol never verbally confessed to the crimes, she was charged with
00:47:09
first-degree murder, felony use of a firearm, and lararseny of $20,000 or more. She faces life in prison. Ricky
00:47:17
was let go with no charges.