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When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught

September 19, 2023 / 39:47

This episode covers the case of Nolan Rosen, a teenager who brought bullets to school, and the chilling story of the Beaver brothers who committed a family massacre.

Nolan Rosen was found with bullets in his pocket at school, prompting a lockdown and police investigation. Despite his claims of innocence, the police treated him as a potential threat, leading to his arrest for bringing a firearm onto school property.

The episode then shifts to the Beaver brothers, Robert and Michael, who murdered their family in a brutal attack. Their disturbing motivations included a desire for notoriety and a fascination with mass killings.

Michael's confession reveals the premeditated nature of the crime, while Robert's interrogation shows a lack of remorse. Both brothers were ultimately sentenced to life in prison.

Lastly, the episode discusses Courtney Clenny, who fatally stabbed her boyfriend Christian Toby during a heated argument. Despite her claims of self-defense, evidence suggests a history of violence and aggression on her part.

TLDR

Teenager Nolan Rosen faces arrest for bringing bullets to school, while the Beaver brothers commit a family massacre and Courtney Clenny stabs her boyfriend.

Episode

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Usually cops expect the killer to be a full-g grown adult, but what happens when it's secretly a teenager?
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You're just arresting me on a charge that's made up. On the 2nd of May, 2023, a single stray
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bullet was found on the floor of this school's cafeteria. Immediately, the school was placed under strict lockdown,
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and police started to search every single student in the school. They knew how serious this could be, as at any
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moment, the owner of that bullet could have stepped forward and unleashed deathly havoc on the entire school.
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However, in a sudden turn of events, a student approaches the police and asks a strange question.
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I don't want you to worry about something. Somebody find something you know about
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cuz I had a bullet in my pocket, but it was like it's not like I'm planning anything.
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Okay. I know I'm not allowed to bring a bullet. Okay. Why don't you come? Wait. I'm not
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like a school shooter. The student was identified as Nolan Rosen, who despite all evidence to the contrary, claims
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he's not planning anything, and he's not a school shooter. Obviously though, the
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police just can't take him at his word. And they have to treat him as an immediate threat to the school's safety.
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If I was a school shooter, I wouldn't tell you. You know what I mean? In today's day and age, you know, they got
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to be in every safety. That's right. Well, let let me let me ask you this. Why got you right here? Be honest with
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me. You didn't bring any gun to school, did you? No, that's the only you had one round.
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Yeah. Okay. I wouldn't like bring a gun to the school. No. Okay, I know. That's not my intention.
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You know, I got to ask though, right? Was there a bullet found them? There's got to be a reason for doing
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this. And I looked it up. It said there's no statute for bringing up like there's no
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law against bringing a bullet to the school. Okay, I'm just letting you know. Despite
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Nolan's oddly calm demeanor and bold claims, the cops decide to search him anyway for the exact reason Nolan's
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already brought up. If he was a school shooter, he wouldn't tell them. All right, just turn around. Face over
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here real quick. Put your hand on that table for me. Oh, I got more bullet. I got two.
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Okay, don't put your hand in your pocket. Just keep your hands on the table. Put them on the table. Just put
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them on the table for me real quick. Okay. So, I'm going to have to search you. Two bullets in this one. Literally, if I
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thought I was doing anything wrong, I wouldn't bring I I got you. You just know in today's day and you can be too
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safe. right there. Okay, that's all of them. Yeah, we got to continue searching.
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That's all. There 22 rifles. Not even an assault. It's not even assault. Right. Right.
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1250 23. [clears throat] Are these from a range? Did you? No, I have a Henry repeating rifle. Kind
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of just use it as like a thing to like comfort me a little bit at home or Yeah. I don't like I'm not There's no I have
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no ill intentions. Nolan tells the cops that he's actually worried about the threat of guns on campus and keeps a
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weapon at home because it comforts him knowing he can protect himself. This might make sense to him, but the cops
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suspect there's something more to this story. I know why it would raise a concern, but
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I'm really scared about that stuff like school shooters do. I'm like very uh and
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it makes me anxious too that anyone could just walk into school and shoot it up.
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Do you worry about them? Yeah, I worry about that stuff a lot sometimes. You have a gun in your car?
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Yeah, of course. Well, not like I don't carry it all the time, but I just literally carried it in my car. Like I
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don't bring it in. Is there a gun in your car right now? Yeah, let's go out. You You'll stay.
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Yeah. Yeah, keep it. Um they're in my bag. It's not an assault rifle. It's a literally a 22 Henry repeating rifle
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game. I just want to know if you have one there. The atmosphere in the room changes
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instantly as Nolan admits to bringing a loaded weapon onto the school campus. The cop's perception of him changes from
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a confused kid to an active threat. And if he's comfortable bringing a weapon to
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school in his car, who knows what else he's not telling the officers. Two cops stay with him in the office and the rest
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head out to search his car. Watch the right. Yeah. Just just leave it right there for now. It's
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basically like a just a 22 rifle, right? Like something you shoot rabbits with. squirrel.
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I don't know how to check if it's loaded. We'll we'll check it thing. But you put
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it in there, I think. Yeah. I'm wondering if you got to um like [ __ ] that back to uh
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to get inside. It doesn't This is how you um like chamber it. The cops discover the weapon in his car
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and note down the serial number, but they struggle to determine if the weapon is loaded or not. So instead, they turn
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their attention to Nolan himself and try to decide what to do with him. He's 18.
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Yeah, he's 18. So, I don't know what the I guess the higher up will do if they want to take him out of here and cuff.
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Absolutely. You verified that he's 18. We looked on the Yeah, I can triple check. But
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is he a senior? He's a junior. 18-year-old junior. Yeah. Those are usually the ones that bring
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guns. Meanwhile, back in the office, the other cops are trying to get to the bottom of
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why he'd even bring the weapon in the first place, especially if he wasn't planning on using it at all. I didn't
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like I don't bring the rifle cuz I'm like assuming I'm going to have to use it. I just bring it cuz first of all it
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looks cool and second of all it's like the comfort thing before I brought the gun. I like uh I'm pretty sure like I'm
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I was allowed to bring like I don't think there was anything saying I'm not allowed to bring it.
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Okay, I got you. But I know I know it's like a Are you a senior in the modern age? This is bad.
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Are you a senior? Uh no, a junior. Junior. Okay. How old are you? I'm 17. Gotcha.
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13. Sorry. This is an issue that will come up a lot throughout the rest of this case. Nolan
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fully believes that there is no law stopping him from bringing a firearm onto school property, but this is of
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course fundamentally incorrect. Ohio Revised Code section 2923.122 explicitly states that no person is
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allowed to bring or attempt to bring a deadly weapon into a school safety zone. In fact, it even bans the possession of
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objects that look like weapons as they may incite panic, just as Nolan has today. Bear this in mind as the
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investigation continues. I just see a lot of videos where having the gun prevents like altercations
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like online videos and stuff like different outcomes and stuff. Like there's one guy who was like 200 lb
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bigger than this guy and he comes up to his car and he's like I want to fight you. Looks like he's about to rip him
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out of his car and the guy just pulls out a gun and guy turns around and walks the other way and it's like that's all
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it is. He didn't even like do anything just because he saw the gun and he knows it's like can't think it's over. So, so
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that that could be a case. But another thing, so I'm a subject control instructor, so I teach all the police
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officers basically how to fight like martial arts and stuff like that. You've heard of this 21 foot rule, right? If
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somebody has a knife within 21 ft of you, they're more dangerous than the guy with the gun because they can clear that
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distance quickly. Oh wow. But come with me. Unfortunately for Nolan though, it's
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time for him to face reality. He brought a gun to school. And despite him claiming there was no ill will and that
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he had no idea there was a policy against it, the cops and school officials have already made their
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decision. Well, surely you can imagine um having a gun on school property is um a major
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issue. So I am suspending you for 10 days with a recommendation for expulsion. And since you are also on a
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504 plan, um somebody from the special education department will be reaching out to you because we're going to have
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to hold what's called a manifestation determination meeting. Um, but at this point it is a 10-day suspension with the
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recommendation for expulsion for um, weapons, specifically a gun and disruption and misconduct. I have to go
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fill out the rest of the people. I didn't disrupt anything. The whole school was on lockdown, buddy. I called
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that about as big of a disruption as you could have. All right. Sorry. Well, the the problem
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wasn't bringing the gun. The problem was I dropped the bullet. That was the problem. And this still isn't the end
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for Nolan as the cops take him into custody. And he's shown that the it's not illegal if you don't get caught
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logic is only a fallacy. We talked to our prosecutor. It is against the law to bring a gun into
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what's called a safety zone or a school, right? That's subjective. What is subjective?
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What you consider like a safety zone. Now is not going to be the time to contest it right now. Okay? So basically
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what I'm telling you is we're going to end up charging you. Okay? And you're 18 years old. Well, there's no law against
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that. Bringing a gun on the school property, there's no law. Like, there's no statute.
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I'm telling you there is. It's a policy, not a law. No, there's a state law in Ohio.
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Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Here's what we're going to do. Okay. We're not going to debate what is or
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isn't. We know what we have. We have violation of law, right? I don't think there is a violation of
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law. Okay. And you can think that. And we do arrest people that think they aren't in
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violation of laws. That does happen. And you have the right to believe that. You
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believe whatever you want to believe. This is a newer generational problem. This is not like a problem that you had
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like back in the day. This might be like your first time dealing with a situation
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like this in your whole career. So, I don't think you can just arrest me like that.
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Well, we are arresting you. Put your hand behind your back. I can put your hand behind your back.
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I'm telling you. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. We're okay. Go ahead. Nolan was
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arrested and charged with improperly handling firearms, possession of a deadly weapon in a school zone, and
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inducing panic. He pleaded not guilty to all of these charges, maintaining his story from the body cam footage. It's
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all too easy for kids to cause such havoc, and it's lucky that Nolan decided not to use his weapon for evil, just as
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Thanks to incogn for making these videos possible. Hello. My brother's attacking my family.
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Your dad is attacking your family? No, my god. These were the chilling words of 12-year-old Daniel James Beaver as he
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begged for the police to save him [music] from his two older brothers who were running rampant throughout his
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house, killing everybody inside. But less than a [music] minute after the phone call began, Daniel could be heard
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screaming and begging for his life until the line went dead. Police arrived at the scene quickly and were greeted by a
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gruesome scene that had played out all across the house. Blood was found smattered around the porch and a faint
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cry for help could be heard from inside. The plea came from 13-year-old Crystal Beaver, but everybody else in the house
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except for 2-year-old Autumn was dead. One of these surviving bever children, a 13-year-old girl, saying her brothers
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were fascinated by mass killings for at least a year. Police heard commotion near the back door of the property and
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discovered perpetrators [music] Robert and Michael Beaver covered in blood and smiling as if they were proud
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of what they had done. Robert was laughing and told police that killing more than one person had turned him into
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a god. Unfortunately, Robert's interrogation tape was never released to the public, but 15-year-old Michaels is
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fully available and gives us some insight into what [music] drove these boys to commit such a brutal crime. I
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was hoping maybe you could kind of just go back at the beginning when all this started and kind of tell me what
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happened. A couple months ago, he started talking about front page and stuff like that.
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Okay. I had to take it seriously first, but then he started buying like body armor
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and stuff. Where did he buy body armor from? eBay and Amazon. Robert's room was found filled with
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weapons and body armor, including machetes, hunting knives, and daggers. Apparently, they'd been collecting all
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of this for months. But when their sister Crystal told their mother about it, she simply passed it off as normal,
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saying that boys will be boys and there's nothing to worry about. She couldn't have been more wrong.
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The guns, where do you start buying [music] guns from? Um, he bought them online. I think the
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website's like gun shop and he bought two. He bought 41 and a shotgun if you It's like a boot, I think. I think he
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bought 250 shotgun rounds. Okay. On eBay. Then I think he bought close to a,000 rounds for the box. Wow.
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Okay. Where was he supposed to pick those? By the ammunition, it was [music] being
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shipped to the house. Knives and machetes were one thing, but guns and over a,000 rounds of ammunition are a
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completely different matter. So once they'd ordered it to their house, they knew that their parents couldn't be home
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when it arrived. But what do they even need all of these weapons for? It doesn't take a thousand bullets to kill
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five people. Well, it turns out that [music] the brothers had a much much bigger plan.
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Tell me more about making plans and what you guys talked about. Making plans. We all plotted every
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night. [music] Why did he want to do it? Because he just like he says he hates everyone. He thinks society is
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pointless. And so he wanted to like beat like amount of other famous [music] people like Colin Bond and James.
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So did you guys have a goal? Do you have a number? He just wanted I think he wanted to kill
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like 50. Okay. The two boys stayed up late most nights talking and scheming and once they
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realized they were both separately interested in murder, the die was cast. And from their perspective, there was no
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turning back. The boys had grown a bond throughout their lives due to their living conditions. Their parents, April
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and David Beaver, were somewhat abusive to their children. They were homeschooled and even told not to
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interact with children outside of their own family. This left them alone with their own thoughts a lot of the time.
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And their only perspective of the outside world was the one that they formed in their own minds. This is how
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they developed such a negative outlook on society and what drove them to form the next part of their plan.
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You picked a date, you said. Yeah, which was yesterday. Yesterday night was the date.
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How did you pick the date? We were vulting with the packages and stuff we have cuz you know all the ammunition. He
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didn't want them to see that. So we wanted to kill everyone at the house boost. Okay.
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And then wait for all the packages to show up over the weekend. Then they would take the economy to have a date
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with the guns. So their plan was set. Michael even said their idea was to cut up and dismember
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the bodies of their family and hide them in bins while they camped out waiting for the guns to arrive. He even added
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the gruesome detail that they only left Autumn alive because they had planned to
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decapitate her with an axe a little while later. But of course, all of these ambitious plans fell at the first
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hurdle. So, what was it that happened that night that caused everything to fall apart for the brothers? The murders
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began with Crystal, who had entered their room at 11:30 p.m. on the 22nd of July, 2015 [music]
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to the sight of them gearing up with body armor and knives. Michael lured her over to his computer [music] and Robert
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slit her throat from behind. And so she fell down and started screaming. Yeah. One of them kept stabbing. I kind
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of creeped out cuz, you know, and then my mom came in and she started yelling, called the police, get over and started
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attacking her. So, he stabbed your mom with the same knife. Yep. And where did he stab her?
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I think in the neck, too. At this point, Crystal had managed to get up and stumble out of the door in an
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effort to escape, but Michael quickly followed her and dragged her back inside. She's still alive.
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Yeah, she was still screaming. And then that's about the time dad came down. They got a little bit of fight. Um, but
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then eventually got him down. You know, did he cut his throat too? The three eldest members of the family were now
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well and truly [music] out of action with their parents dead and Crystal's throat slit, bleeding out on the porch.
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They just left their four younger siblings, the people they thought would give them the least problems. This is
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also where we rejoin the story from earlier and Daniel is on the phone with police hidding in his room. On the phone
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with the police phone, which is my phone, got my phone. The guy went into the kitchen and I smashed the
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underground. which was your phone. Yeah, it was my phone. I don't have a cell phone anymore.
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Shortly after, Daniel 2 was stabbed 21 times in the back, shoulder, and chest. The final two victims were hidden in
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locked rooms, but Michael managed to convince them that Robert was attacking him, [music] too. This lured them out,
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and the brothers finished their attack by once more stabbing 6-year-old Christopher and 5-year-old Victoria to
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death. Throughout this interview though, Michael has been placing a huge amount of blame on Robert, even at points
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saying that he was just standing there letting Robert do all the work and that he was only part of this in the first
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place because he knew Robert was going to do this anyway and he wanted to be on his good side.
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I I didn't want to kill anyone with anyone. I couldn't do it. So, I was going to let him like kill everyone. Yo,
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you stabbed somebody in the neck. I mean, I just kind of How do you feel about what you've done
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now? I I didn't like it that I mean, how do you feel about your mother? You watched her get stabbed. You
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You cut her throat yourself and you watched her bleed all over the place and scream. How does that make you feel?
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N think about it. Unfortunately though, in his interview, Robert [music] had absolutely no concerns telling the whole
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truth and nothing but the truth, [music] eventually cluing the cops in that Michael may have had a larger part than
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he originally let on. The guys that are interviewing Robert um kind of gave me a quick version of what
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he's saying that you did and you haven't told me everything. Okay. So, I know you're not being
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completely honest. I'm just one of like hundreds of people that are going to look at this thing. We got the state
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police coming in and every single stab wound that you inflicted, we're going to know about. Everybody's been stabbed and
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you both had knives and we know you both stabbed everybody. So, you guys are kind
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of at the same level. Who's going to be honest and make this right and who's a liar? Okay. Which one do you want to be?
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As is often the case, [music] this simple rhetoric was all the cops needed to use to get Michael to open up and
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finally confessed to being as big a part of the murders as Robert was. Michael admitted to slitting the throats of
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Crystal and his mother, as well as stabbing Christopher to death. And as usual, one confession led to another,
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and we gained even deeper insight into the minds of these twisted teens. You only stabbed your family because
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they went away towards the bigger plan. Um, they were in the way and, you know, higher count.
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This higher count. Can you Is this a game? It's a more like kind of thing kind of
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game. It now fully comes to light that the murders truly weren't personal to any extent and that the entire reason
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for this slaughter and any [music] that would follow was just for recognition and fame. This became even more obvious
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when [music] searches of the home revealed rolling surveillance cameras and storage drives with all of their
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plans saved to them. Robert later revealed that they plan [music] to make two videos, one to taunt the police with
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and another to post online. The rest of Michael's interview footage consists of him writing a statement that
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unfortunately was [music] never publicized. But whatever it was that he wrote must have been pretty messed up as
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the detective watching over him couldn't even [music] finish reading it and reacted like this.
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Of course, at trial, neither of the boys stood much of a chance. Yet, Michael attempted to plead not guilty on the
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grounds of insanity. However, it didn't go so well for either of them and they were both given five life sentences
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without the possibility of parole. The surviving children, Crystal and Autumn, were adopted by the same couple.
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However, things are totally different for Courtney Clenny, who didn't only kill her boyfriend, but thought she
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could get away with calling the police on herself. And now all of a sudden, this is all
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happening. What's his name? I just Christian Tobet himself. Please, I'm scared of him. On the 3rd of
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April, 2022, Miami police received a terrifying phone call. Can't feel my arm. I can't feel my arm.
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My boyfriend is ma'am. What is the address? 31 North, I'm so sorry, baby. 27year-old Christian Toby Abomelli was
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bleeding out in his girlfriend's lap with a brutal wound to the chest. When police arrived, pools of blood were
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found all over the apartment, and Toby was barely clinging to life. Only Fans model Courtney Clinty had met Toby back
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in 2020. The two seemed to be deeply in love, but behind closed doors, things were completely different. The couple
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were known to have violent fights, and the police were even called multiple times to their [music] apartment. But
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their biggest argument would take place in April of 2022 and results in Toby bleeding out and begging for his life.
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Courtney told police she had nothing to do with it, but police thought differently. So, she was brought in for
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questioning and a 5-hour long interrogation began. I apologize for being absolutely covered
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in blood. Listen, you don't have to apologize, okay? I completely understand. All right? Things happen and you can't
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control this. Okay. How long have you guys been together? Um about 2 years. About two years.
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A year and a half to two years. Yeah. Okay. Is he okay? He's there. He's still at the hospital.
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They're still, you know, monitoring him and talking to him. So, we're waiting. Oh my god. So, he's not even he didn't
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even have to have surgery. Well, I don't know. They're they're they're still they're still uh doing um
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x-rays and stuff like that. So, I don't know yet. I'm waiting to hear a response.
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That's all I have to know. Thank God. The detectives tell Courtney that Toby is in the hospital but alive. Detectives
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are usually unaware of how a suspect will react to certain information, so it's often safest to open by easing any
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worries they may have and talking in a non- accusatory manner. This makes the suspect feel more relaxed and more
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likely to open up. had just gotten back together. I had broken up with him and then he came back the last like two
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nights and then she got like into an argument and I ended up getting scared and I think that I overreacted or not
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overreacted necessarily but reacted and I just didn't know exactly what might happen. You guys work here in Miami or
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do you guys have your own business? I do social media. So, I'm influencer I guess is what?
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Oh, yeah. Call us. Yeah. Influencer. What do you focus on? Like Instagram or um social media apps.
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Instagram. Oh my. And what is it that he does? Stocks and crypto. Stocks and crypto.
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He just has stocks and crypto. We were going to move into a house. Mhm. So have an apartment and then we were
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like maybe we just move here for a year. And then once we got here we were like no this is dope.
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Yeah. So he we're we have the dog picked out golden retriever. We're going to name
00:24:04
Melo. So we're going to get out so we can have a back start cuz I have two dogs and then we're going
00:24:12
to have three. So we're planning on staying here for a while. Sorry. Once again, you don't have to apologize.
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The detectives can tell Courtney is in a vulnerable state, but at the end of the
00:24:24
day, they're there to solve a crime. Courtney's being investigated for stabbing Toby, and the only defense
00:24:30
she's given so far is that there was an argument and things got out of hand. If Courtney did in fact do what she's being
00:24:36
accused of, being forced to think about her past and future with Toby would really be messing with her emotions,
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causing her to become more vulnerable and hopefully lead to an easy confession. Let's start from the start.
00:24:51
You guys were supposed to take out your dogs to the park, right? And then what happens after that?
00:24:58
Um, like I said, a little bit blur. Um, I was doing laundry. Mhm. And tried to call my mom. She didn't
00:25:08
answer the first time. And then he left. I guess he went to go bike over there. He That's just what he said. I don't
00:25:14
know if he walked or bikes, but he told me he's going to bike. Yeah. Okay. And then he came back with a Subway
00:25:22
sandwich. Um, and I said something about like, "Oh, are you going to like reshare
00:25:26
your location with me? Like, did you share it?" and um said, "Yeah, yeah, I shared it." And I was like, "Oh, when
00:25:33
did you do that?" And he was the other day like when you were done with me. And I was like, "Okay, well, fair enough."
00:25:39
And like reshare it. Um and then he told I mean it kind of like turned into like
00:25:45
a little like argument or something. And then he told me to reshare mine and I was like, "Okay, yeah, I will." And then
00:25:52
I didn't do it immediately. Um he asked me about it again. Um, and I don't know what I was thinking, but it just said
00:26:01
something about, well, what if I'm somewhere you don't want me to be, which I'm I wouldn't have been. I love him.
00:26:10
Um, but maybe you don't want to know where I am. I guess maybe they'll just like hurt him because he was pressing
00:26:16
me. Um, and he ended up pinning me against the wall. I mean, I said like choking me on the floor. It's just like
00:26:24
they were looking at my neck and I was like I mean I'm not saying like choking you like you know whatever but I mean he
00:26:30
had my like neck like I and this happened twice before where I couldn't breathe and I was on
00:26:36
the floor I could not breathe and I don't think that he is trying to kill me. Mhm.
00:26:42
But I was scared and all three times I have been scared. I'm on the floor and heavy my mom on the phone. So this
00:26:51
happened like over by the door and somehow moved like over in the living room. He was standing by by the couch
00:26:58
facing floor in the kitchen. I was in the kitchen and then he just like I could see like all the lights in his
00:27:04
eyes and he was like like coming at me and so I grabbed I grabbed one of these knives like one got me for Christmas. I
00:27:11
grabbed one of them and I was like I swear I swear to God. I swear to God. It was just like I I mean I grab and be
00:27:22
like don't come anywhere closer to me because I I mean earlier I was having two other times and I couldn't breathe.
00:27:28
I'm sorry I couldn't breathe. And it's very scary. And I just think like just like this kind of thing where I was
00:27:33
saying like do you know if he's okay if he like if he if he's choking me and he's angry enough he might like or I
00:27:42
mean this is different I think. But if he's like choking me or like pinning me or something and I can't breathe, he
00:27:48
might go too long. So I grab my sorry I grab my I grab my knife and I said don't
00:27:54
come anywhere closer to me. I had absolutely no intention of using it. I'm on the phone with my mom and he's coming
00:27:59
at me like he's going to grab either the phone or like the knife or something. And so I was just like I I was like
00:28:04
don't don't come any closer coming at me and I drew it and I meant for it to go.
00:28:10
How far away was he? Well, I was by my fridge and he was like by the edge of one of the chairs of the
00:28:17
sofa. Um like comparing tot I'm I'm trying to think in my head. To recap, Courtney says that an
00:28:24
argument started when the pair had both stopped sharing their phone locations that resulted in him pinning her against
00:28:29
the floor and her retaliating by throwing a kitchen knife across the room, piercing him in the chest.
00:28:35
Courtney also clearly states that her attack was in self-defense and specifically involved her throwing a
00:28:41
knife 10 ft across the apartment that landed perfectly in his chest, causing him to bleed out and fear for his life.
00:28:49
So then you were by the fridge and he was by the couch. Yes, I was between the couch in front of
00:28:54
the fridge. He was by the couch and then behind behind my island. Then what kind of movements did he make
00:28:59
that he uh at the at the moment he was going to walk? Running at me running. Okay.
00:29:05
Well, charging aggressively walking something. What was he doing like was he doing
00:29:12
something with his hands or doing his hands up? I really could I couldn't tell you exactly.
00:29:19
Was he yelling at you at the time? Yes. Was that at the moment that he was charging you or earlier in one of the
00:29:25
arguments? It was before he choked me when I Yes, it was before he choked me. Okay.
00:29:32
Or whatever. But I swear to God, I was scared. I mean, after like what had just I was scared and I was on the phone with
00:29:40
my mom and it was still happening. I was scared. So you told me you told me that that he had you against the wall at
00:29:47
one point, right? With his hands over your neck. Mhm. And what h how did you end up from the
00:29:54
wall to the ground? Dummy go let me go and then I started swinging on him because I had been
00:30:00
against the wall. Okay. I started trying to hit him. Yeah. And then he put me on the ground.
00:30:07
He dropped it to the ground. When I'm trying to remember like a whole situation of where I was very upset
00:30:12
about something. Yeah, which I've learned this in therapy and whatever. It's like write down like all
00:30:18
the details so you don't forget just like write it all out clearly so it makes sense to you and makes sense
00:30:26
to somebody else. But I haven't had a chance to have a pen and paper or my phone
00:30:31
to like write down exactly what happened and I haven't even like fully thought about it.
00:30:35
So honestly my my answer is I couldn't I don't remember. That's right. Okay. You guys have a
00:30:40
history of violence? Yeah. You say you've been together how long, sir? Almost two years.
00:30:46
Almost two years and a half two years. So, how many how many incidents you think you've had?
00:30:50
I don't I don't know. But we shouldn't be together. Have you made a report before?
00:30:55
Uh, no. You've never made a report? Oh, I did in um I did in Dallas actually about a year ago. Um and he was
00:31:05
detained. What happened there? um he pushed me in the um lobby like it wasn't like a big deal and they made it
00:31:15
a huge deal. The couple had also been involved in another incident in Las Vegas less than a year earlier. Police
00:31:22
were called to their apartment after a loud argument was heard as well as glasses smashing on the floor and walls.
00:31:28
The apartment was trashed when police arrived and Courtney's story was all over the place.
00:31:34
Why did you call for help? Because we were getting really loud. We're getting loud and I was like, "Oh
00:31:39
my god, we're gonna like do damage to the room or something." Not damage to each other. Like I really want to like
00:31:44
Why? Why? Why would you like that? Why would you think that you were going to do damage to the room?
00:31:48
I like throwing something or like Did you throw something? Did I? Yeah. No. Did anybody throw anything?
00:31:56
No. So why would you think that there is damage to the room to be made? Because I've done that before in our
00:32:01
house and I What have you done? thrown a glass at a plate. Did you throw a glass or a plate team
00:32:08
today? No. Okay. So, before Okay. So, when I go to the room and I see a broken glass on the floor, where
00:32:16
did the glass come from? I don't I don't know. I literally couldn't even remember how the fight
00:32:21
started. [snorts] Okay. Well, was there Yeah, maybe I did. Well, I'm guessing that I
00:32:27
threw a glass, but that sounds like me. Courtney was brought to jail and held for 12 hours overnight, but Toby refused
00:32:34
to press charges and advocated heavily for release. This may seem like nothing, but police did conclude that Courtney
00:32:40
had attacked him that night by throwing a glass at his head. If nothing else, it
00:32:45
proves that Courtney was capable of attacking Toby unprovoked and opens up an entirely new avenue for this
00:32:51
investigation. However, it also turns out that police had been in contact with the couple more recently. In fact,
00:32:57
they'd actually been called by security to their apartment the day before the attack.
00:33:02
Um, but the cops have been up there um one other time yesterday. Mhm. For absolutely no reason. Absolutely none.
00:33:14
They harassed um not the not the police, but um security guards from the front office, like young security guards.
00:33:21
Okay. Came up for no reason. um bothered him, bothered me. The cops were called, however, and
00:33:30
captured an entire exchange on body cams, providing a stark contrast to the story that Courtney gave here.
00:33:36
You didn't call. I didn't. Nobody call. [laughter] Okay. uh the front desk personnel, she
00:33:47
informed us that uh Miss Portney uh her boyfriend was trying to get into the elevator and
00:33:54
she had her hand out like this and she was like, "Oh, no. Don't come inside the elevator." Okay. So, we asked her, I
00:34:00
said, "Do you want him to leave the property?" She said, "No." She don't want him.
00:34:05
I did not. I said, "Yes." Hold on. Courtney, what's going on? What do you need? What?
00:34:14
Oh my boyfriend. All right. So, what do you what do you want? What do you want to see?
00:34:19
I want a restraining order against Christians. We don't issue those. No, I'm serious.
00:34:24
Can I do that? Where can I go to court? Where can I make myself first? Courtney is obviously extremely panicked
00:34:31
in this footage and seems less concerned about any possible that she may have been sustaining and more worried about
00:34:38
getting a restraining order before Toby can. It's also important to note that the building's security noticed her
00:34:44
pushing Toby out of the elevator and screaming at him and mentioned absolutely no aggression coming from
00:34:50
him. As the evidence mounts up, it's starting to get increasingly more likely that Courtney's whole self-defense story
00:34:58
might be straying slightly away from the truth. But as is almost always the case
00:35:04
in situations like these, everything is still hearsay. and officially debunking her claims is going to be a challenge
00:35:10
for the detectives. But after leaving her alone for almost an hour and letting her change clothes, they returned to the
00:35:17
interrogation room with some more news for her. So, you're living in a nightmare right now.
00:35:24
Yes. You know, so I will feel so much better once they just say he's stable. Yeah.
00:35:30
Cuz I've been asking I've been asking that's what we're waiting for. Okay. I mean, I feel like at the end I
00:35:38
mean, if he if he's not, that's a lot worse for me. So, they've asked for an update and I
00:35:43
asked them for an update as well. So, they're checking uh to see what's going because they're
00:35:47
I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know what I will do with myself if she's not okay.
00:35:52
No matter what, I mean, I I clearly can't be the other people. No matter what happens,
00:35:57
no matter where this falls, right, it's it's out of our control. Um, so we have to inform you that Christian did
00:36:10
not make it. Okay. Um, unfortunately the doctors did what they could and Christian is dead.
00:36:18
Yep. Oh my god. This is not real, right? Okay. No, there's no way. Christian died.
00:36:35
Okay. Can I please have a hug? Am I allowed to do that in here? Sure. Okay. Be fine.
00:36:44
No, no, no. Calm down. Okay. Calm down. Okay. Calm down. I I need I need to I need to hug my mom.
00:36:57
I cannot be left alone in like a room by myself. You won't be after this. I was like, "No, that's not
00:37:04
true. That's not That did not That's not real, right?" It is real. Christian is dead.
00:37:10
Yes. You're not going to lie. The last thing he ate was Subway. What did I say to that other room? I said,
00:37:17
"God forbid. God forbid when like from far away if if it if what if what if I what if it had accidentally hit a little
00:37:26
bit lower and he died?" So, we can't we can't change what what's occurred. And get him before. So, just
00:37:35
step by step, so you'll get through this. All right. It's easy to tell by the detectives
00:37:41
reactions that they're fairly convinced what happened was indeed self-defense. In fact, one of them was even talking
00:37:47
earlier about how he's sure she'd be allowed home that night and that everything was going to be fine. So, it
00:37:53
obviously wasn't hard for her lawyer to convince them officially that she wasn't
00:37:57
guilty and she was let off without any charges. But remember, the detectives weren't
00:38:04
aware of any of the evidence mentioned so far. All they know is what Courtourtney told them. So, as time went
00:38:11
on, evidence started to mount up and the Abomelli's case was starting to become stronger and stronger. The body cam
00:38:18
videos started to become publicly available, and the true nature of her previous arrests came to light. There
00:38:24
were also unflattering videos such as this one showing her drunk in public just days after her release.
00:38:32
Yeah. And they're seeking justice. Sir, what? Let's all videotape her right now. Yeah,
00:38:38
you should go. Yeah, you should go. Yeah, you did. Yeah. And Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. Sure, people make
00:38:51
mistakes and drink too much, but when you're seen acting like this in public just days after balling your eyes out in
00:38:58
an interrogation room, you don't exactly get painted in the best light. Just days
00:39:04
later, footage secretly recorded by Toby was found on his phone displaying Courtney violently screaming at him,
00:39:11
using aggressive language, hitting him across the face, and using racial slurs. You literally talked to her without
00:39:17
telling me. Courtney, I was on a bike ride and she passed me and I said, "Hi, you and Courtney are having a a live
00:39:23
chat." My bad. I forgot to tell you that. That doesn't make you to act and call me a
00:39:30
Yes. Yes. Thank you. Come for me. Thank you. I want you to get away from me. So due
00:39:36
to this and many other accounts stating that Courtney was well and truly the one
00:39:41
we prepare to see if she'll be spending the rest of her life behind bars. stars.

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Episode Highlights

  • Teenager with a Bullet
    Nolan Rosen approaches police during a lockdown, claiming he had a bullet but no ill intentions.
    “I had a bullet in my pocket, but it's not like I'm planning anything.”
    @ 00m 40s
    September 19, 2023
  • Police Discover Loaded Weapon
    The atmosphere shifts as Nolan admits to bringing a loaded weapon to school.
    “The cop's perception of him changes from a confused kid to an active threat.”
    @ 03m 30s
    September 19, 2023
  • Nolan's Arrest
    Nolan is arrested for bringing a gun to school, despite claiming no ill will.
    “We have violation of law, right?”
    @ 08m 22s
    September 19, 2023
  • Confession of Violence
    Michael admits to slitting the throats of his family members, revealing the gruesome details of the crime.
    “You only stabbed your family because they were in the way.”
    @ 19m 13s
    September 19, 2023
  • Courtney's Terrifying Call
    Courtney calls the police in a panic, claiming her boyfriend is bleeding out.
    “Can't feel my arm. My boyfriend is...”
    @ 20m 53s
    September 19, 2023
  • The Shocking News
    Detectives inform Courtney that her boyfriend Christian has died from his injuries.
    “Christian is dead.”
    @ 36m 10s
    September 19, 2023
  • Self-Defense Verdict
    Detectives believe the incident was self-defense, leading to no charges against her.
    “They're fairly convinced what happened was indeed self-defense.”
    @ 37m 41s
    September 19, 2023
  • Evidence Mounts Against Courtney
    As time passed, evidence against Courtney strengthened, revealing her troubling behavior.
    “The body cam videos started to become publicly available.”
    @ 38m 18s
    September 19, 2023

Episode Quotes

  • If I was a school shooter, I wouldn't tell you.
    When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught
  • It's not illegal if you don't get caught logic is only a fallacy.
    When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught
  • You cut her throat yourself and you watched her bleed all over the place.
    When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught
  • Christian is dead.
    When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught
  • This is not real, right?
    When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught
  • What if it had accidentally hit a little bit lower and he died?
    When Teen Killers Realize They've Been Caught

Key Moments

  • Student's Confession00:36
  • Police Search01:46
  • Arrest and Charges08:59
  • Shocking Confession18:57
  • Self-Defense Claims37:41
  • Evidence Emerges38:11
  • Courtney's Outburst39:07
  • Potential Life Sentence39:43

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