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Tara McCaulay sits beside her 19-year-old daughter, Kiara. Unbeknownst to her, both of their lives are about to
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change forever. >> How's my houseing crime? >> There's a deceased person in your
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[clears throat] garage. >> That's why it's a crime scene. >> There's a body in there.
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>> Stand up for me. >> Kiara is a deranged teenage killer. She just brutally killed her ex-girlfriend
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with a 3-ft long sword. The body lies in her mother's [music] home just feet away. But this discovery of a body would
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be just the start. The investigation that followed would reveal a vile teenage couple whose actions left
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officers, family members, and detectives [music] in utter shock as their horrifying
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crimes slowly began coming to light. >> You see like slashed on her knee. She's missing a year. And then there's a big
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ass sword. And then there's blood stains all over the bed. >> I walked into the garage. She goes, "Oh,
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I just did it." Just walk this way. >> What the day begins when 911 Dispatch receives a
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call from a distressed mother. She claims that her son, 22-year-old Isaac, has just witnessed his girlfriend,
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[music] Kiara, decapitate a woman inside her own home. The call is unclear, and officers don't know whether the suspect
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is still on the scene or if they're planning to take more innocent lives. Within minutes, five officers arrive at
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the scene prepared for the worst. See someone on the back side in the alley? >> Somewhere down here. 5941.
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>> Huh? >> Walked in. >> Kick it in. >> Let's put on the door. >> Kick the door. I got you cover.
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Let me see your ass. >> Back up. >> Back up. >> What's going on? >> Who called? What?
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>> Someone was getting killed. >> We're being told that the girlfriend's in the garage. That's where she
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>> Where's the garage? >> Apparently killed the other 41. >> Officers get intel that the body is
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inside the home's garage directly behind them. One team will clear the primary house while the other prepares to make
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entry into the garage. Without any detailed information, the officers have to proceed with extreme caution.
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Police department. >> Think it goes around. Maybe I think it goes around. How do people live like this?
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>> While the officers in the house find nothing of interest, the same can't be said for the team entering the garage.
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>> Who's in this garage? >> My [ __ ] door. >> Someone just called it. Someone just got
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Step over here. Step over here. Someone just got stabbed inside that garage. >> Is that here?
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>> Anybody here? >> Yeah, we got one down. San, >> go back inside. Go back inside. I'm not
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going to tell you again. Go back inside. Detain him. Detain >> him. >> What are you talking about?
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>> Santa Fe police. Anyone inside? >> Watch. Yeah. I can't. >> Got one down. >> I can't.
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Where is he? >> He's right here by the door. >> Open that back door. The garage. Can you
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open the garage from that side? >> No. It's broken and it's been broken for 10 years. Inside the garage, officers
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find 21-year-old Grace Jennings dead. She has a deep laceration across her neck and several slashes across her
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body. [music] Tara McCaulay appears completely clueless about what's happening. However, the same can't be
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said for her daughter, Kiara. While officers continue searching the garage, body cam footage captures 19-year-old
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Kiara frantically explaining to her mother what happened. We have Isaac on the phone. Want to know
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if you guys need him. I guess he's the boyfriend. >> Invited her last night without him
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telling me. >> I got really pissed off. Of course, >> but what what would she would Why would
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she be here if he invited her last night? >> So, I was angry. >> She stayed the night.
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>> Yeah. >> In my house? >> Yeah. And I'm pissed about it. >> Grace is not allowed here. She knows
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that. >> Who's Isaac's girlfriend? She is. >> You're Isaac's girlfriend. >> Yes.
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>> Okay. What are you, to Isaac? Do >> you have one? >> Well, I'm kind of mother-in-law to be.
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>> This is your daughter? >> Yes, this is my daughter. >> Step out with me real quick. What's your
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name? >> Kiara. >> Grace Jennings is the ex-girlfriend of Kiara. After a violent breakup years
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prior, she was banned from the property permanently. According to Kiara, her current boyfriend, 22-year-old Isaac,
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had invited Grace to sleep over [music] the previous night, all without Kiara's permission. She claims this pissed her
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off, revealing a small glimpse as to what happened on [music] this twisted Thursday morning.
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>> This is his girlfriend. >> Oh, can I get some shoes on or something? >> Not right now. Be detained at this
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point. Okay. >> Did you guys have a fight or something? >> Anybody else? Can she sit down so I can
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put her shoes on her feet? >> Who else? Is there a female that lives in here? >> Her and Isaac went
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>> and Isaac went for a walk. >> Yeah, he was going for a walk shower. They were going to go on a walk.
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>> Isaac, in fact, did not go for a walk. Instead, he frantically ran to a friend's workplace after finding Grace's
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decapitated body with Kiara reportedly giggling beside it. Clearly, something is very wrong. Worst of all, Kiara's
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mother, Tara, hasn't even realized there's a dead body in the garage or that her own daughter is responsible.
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[music] >> I have cats. I have to Unfortunately, mom, but this is an active investigation, okay? So, nobody's going
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back somehow. >> No, this is a crime scene at this point. >> That was my house. [ __ ] [music]
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crazy. >> There's a deceased person in your garage. >> That's why it's a crime scene.
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>> There's a body in there. >> Stand up for me. Walk this way. >> What the [ __ ]
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>> Come here with me now. >> As officers clear the home and detain Kiara, it seems the chaos has finally
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settled. Or so they think. Because just seconds later, Grace's mother arrives on
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the scene [music] completely unaware of what has just happened to her daughter. >> Hello, Sergeant Rodriguez.
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Um, so we still have an active investigation here. I don't have a lot of the details.
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>> Is she okay? >> Who? >> Grace, is she breathing, living? Is she okay? >> I'm not sure of that. I don't have all
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the information. What happened? >> We're trying to gather all the information. So, like the sergeant said,
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if you could go back with us to the police department and then we can give you a little bit more information from
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there. >> Who's Gray? Do you have an idea of Gray or do you have a photo of Gray or
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anything? >> Grace. >> Of Grace. >> Grace, I'm sorry. >> Officers continue to comfort Grace's
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mother. They refrain from revealing Grace was deceased, something they'd have to explain later on. Across town,
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another team of officers begin searching for Kiara's boyfriend, Isaac. The only witness to the murder and a key figure
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in solving the case. During the 911 call, Isaac's mother told dispatch where he was, a tech store close to Kiara's
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house. Using that information, officers quickly tracked him down. >> All right, stay stay right here. Let me
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uh look around real quick. For now, officers assume Isaac is simply an innocent bystander to Kiara's brutality.
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However, this will soon change. >> Yeah, there he is. He's coming out. Is it Isaac? Did you call us, bro?
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>> Yes, >> Here. Come over here. You're good. Come here. You don't have any knives, any
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weapons on you? >> No. >> No. >> Just put it down for now. Just put it down. You're not in trouble, bro. Got to
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make sure you don't have any weapons. Okay. Put your hands up right here for now, bro. just because we're it looks
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like your girlfriend or whoever's in there is uh really injured. So, for now, we're going to put you under detention
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of Kent so we can figure this out. You're not under arrest. And who's in the garage? Who lives with you in the
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garage? Your girlfriend >> Kiara Maui. >> Okay. So, can you tell me how did this
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call transpire? How did you how did you call us? I walked into the garage and when I walked in the garage, she
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goes, "Oh, I just did it." And and I'm like, >> "And who who was this?" >> Kiara McCulli.
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>> She told you that >> very calmly and everything, blood on her hands and >> Okay. Officers have no reason to suspect
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Isaac of the murder. He remains cordial and provides them with a chilling account of Kiara's behavior after the
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murder, but his demeanor starts to take a drastic turn as he's placed in the back of a patrol vehicle.
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>> What was your name? >> Isaac Aquadaku. >> Isaac. >> Do you need to get checked out by
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Madsman? >> No. >> No. Okay. You want the air or anything? You want hot cold? >> Not this. We'll roll down the window and
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we'll give you a a minute. All right. I don't want to eat anything. >> No, no, no. Let me
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>> I wanted to I was already planning on leaving today, too. I have all my stuff packed up and I
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wanted to go I wanted to go to my mom and dad just cuz I'm I'm not good in I'm not in a good mental
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space. >> To the untrained eye, Isaac's emotions might seem like shock from what he just
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witnessed. This is simply not the case because Isaac was far more involved in the murder than he's letting on and he
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knows it's only a matter of time before investigators start to catch on. [music] Police end their conversation
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with Isaac and both he and Kiara are transported to the Santa Fe County Police Station. With both suspects being
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successfully detained, detectives will begin their process of individually interrogating Isaac and Kiara. One
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detective will conduct both interrogations, yet they turn out completely different from one another.
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Kiara's especially takes a [music] dark turn as she delivers answers with a chilling truthfulness. What follows is
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not simply an interrogation, but one of the most disturbing conversations we've ever covered.
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>> Have you ever thought about hurting her or killing her? >> I had a couple dreams like that.
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>> And how would you kill her? >> Dependent on the dream. >> So there's so many dreams. Yes.
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>> But before the interrogations begin, the detective in charge will go to the crime
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scene looking to gather information from the primary officers. The detective assigned to this case is Javier Vigil of
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the Santa Fe Police Department. Javier is an experienced detective who as of 2025 has been promoted to SWAT commander
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for SFPD. His objective at the scene is clear to gather as much information as possible as quickly as possible. He's
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focused on identifying the primary suspects and determining any potential motives. Every detail will be critical
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in shaping the narrative he'll use during interrogation and ultimately in securing a confession. What he doesn't
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realize yet is that his investigation will prove far more revealing than anyone anticipated.
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>> You got here first. >> I got here first, but we all we all kind of walked in at the same time. I come
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here and from here they have a straight shot. So I see her blonde girl, black teacher running inside. So I call
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contact. I close the door, open it. No one's answering. So we break the door down and they're like, "Oh, she the
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suspect's boyfriend cuz the one that called in." >> No, it's a 41 that called [music] in. A
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third party 10:41 called in. >> The guy's mom. >> The mom's like, "I have no idea what
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happened." This one's acting a little like weird, not asking anything. >> So we find Tanner. Cool. They go inside
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the garage and find >> you see like slashed on her knee. >> She's missing a ear.
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>> Okay. >> And then there's a big ass sword right as you walk into the to the right on the
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dresser and it and then there's blood stains all over the bed. >> Okay. Did we knock at the the next door
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neighbor? See if anyone heard anything? >> Let's let's cross that off the list so
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that's done. See if we get anyone that heard anything and then we can take everyone back. We'll knock out our
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interviews, get our paper, come do our search, and then we can let go of the scene. Detective Vigil and his team go
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on to get further information from neighbors. This, alongside the primary officer's account, gives him a solid
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report to go off of. Kiara, Isaac, and the victim, Grace, had all individually dated each other at different periods.
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Grace and Kiara had a toxic relationship and quickly turned into enemies after their breakup. Isaac had also previously
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dated Grace, but had a dramatic breakup after just days of being together. Isaac
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was 20 and Grace was just 16. during their relationship. During Isaac's ride to the station, he
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explained to officers that he had invited Grace to Kiara's [music] house because she had no place to stay for the
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night. Lastly, Vigil was informed that [music] just a day earlier, Isaac had been charged with domestic battery
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Vigil begins his day with Isaac. This is no accident. By questioning him first, the detective hopes to build a
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foundation of incriminating details, ammunition for the real confrontation still to come.
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>> I have no reason to believe you to be a suspect right now or anything like that,
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we're going to take the handcuffs off. Is that okay with you? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Well, just cuz every
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kind of new developing and like I said, we don't really know fully what's going on. Um, I do want to advise you of your
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constitutional rights [music] before we talk at all. Detective Vigil wastes no time in
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assuring Isaac he's not a suspect, but that statement is a calculated lie. As we know, Isaac had been charged with
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domestic battery against Kiara, a violent pattern that Vigil was already aware of. Combined with earlier details,
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they had every reason to view him as a suspect. Still, their strategy was clear. Avoid confrontation, keep Isaac
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at ease, and let him talk. >> So, the only thing I ask is for truthfulness. I'm going to be upfront
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with you. I'm going to be truthful with you. I just ask that you do the same to me in return. Okay. Just tell me the
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truth and tell me everything that happened. All right. >> Okay. Uh where does So, because it's
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Lonnie McCauley's house, um does she live there or does she live somewhere else? [music]
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>> She lives there. >> Okay. >> In the main house. >> And when you say the main house, what do
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you mean by that? The >> main house? Um there's a garage in the backyard that's separated from the main
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house. It would [music] be >> if I gave you a paper and a pen, you had to draw it out for me. [music] Like kind
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of show me show me where Jaguar Drive is. Show me where the house is. >> The house sits in a quiet neighborhood
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on Jaguar Drive. Kiara and Isaac live in a makeshift room in the home's outdoor garage, while Kiara's mother stays in
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the main house. After mapping out the layout and where everything happened, the conversation shifts to the murder
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itself. This is when Isaac describes the chilling moment he found Grace's lifeless body in the garage.
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>> Um, how long have you been living in the garage? >> A year ago and a half. Okay, let's bring
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ourselves to today and I want you to kind of tell me in your own memory what happened from that time all the way to
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getting here to this interview. So from the time it began would be yesterday we started we were all hanging out. Night
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time came around we started falling asleep. Holly did not fall asleep. I had told I
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was talking [snorts] to Grace who was in the garage as well. I said I we have to
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go um she's she's telling us we need to leave. and I left the main house to go use the
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restroom for the last time. And then I walked in back into the garage. She walked up to me and goes, "I did it."
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With a smile on her face and I looked at the ground and I was like, "So I called
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my mom immediately to let her know that something happened." My mom proceeded to
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call 911. really scared because I've witnessed Sorry, >> it's okay. >> I I've witnessed
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my friend getting shot. >> So my >> separately from this >> Yes. It was a while back and I was
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sitting in the back seat. got walked up, his brains out. He landed on me to testify in court and I'm
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Anything like this gets me super traumatized and >> it's a traumatic event. I could imagine
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to when I went back in the garage when I saw her in the ground on on the ground,
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I couldn't say anything cuz I was like this is another one of my friends gone. I keep losing friends left and right.
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I'm scared right now. >> After recounting this morning, Isaac would go on to explain why Grace was
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sleeping at that house. It does not include the fact that the two females were in an ongoing feud, instead
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pretending they were all cordial friends. Kiara would provide a polar opposite recount in her interrogation.
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But before Detective Vigil gets to her, he has one final question for Isaac. How
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did you know that Kira didn't want you guys there anymore? >> She woke up. Well, she woke up from what
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she said. She slept, >> but she was awake the whole time. And she turned over, told me, "You guys need
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to get out. I don't want you guys here." It was really freaking me out. So, I was
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trying to get out. I was in and out of the room trying to contact my mom to pick me up to get me out of there.
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>> What time did you guys wake up at? What time did you wake up at? I woke up at
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about 7:50. >> At what time did Kiara tell you you guys had to leave? >> She told us we had to leave at about
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8:30. >> Okay. In between 8:30 and to the time your mom called 911. Kind of what
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happened in there. >> But when I packed my stuff, I went inside the house, which was a stupid
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mistake for me to go in the house, use the bathroom, and then come back and see what I saw.
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>> After you [music] peed, you went immediately back to the garage. Yes. >> So, what time would you say that was at?
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>> 11:47. >> Now, I think we got the call a little after 1:30. >> Yes. >> Kind of an hour and a half gap there.
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Was there a long period of time that you and Kiara were trying to figure out what
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was going to happen? >> There was a There was a long period of time. It was when I was standing on the
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side of the garage. >> Tell me about that. >> I was hyperventilating. Then I made the call to my mom. My mom
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made the call. I know. I should have been the one to call. I feel like I'm going to pass out.
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>> Let's take some deep breaths. >> I need a little break if that's okay with you. I'll use the restroom real
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quick. Um, sound good. >> Sounds good. >> All right. Hey, thanks for your time, Isaac.
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>> Back in a bit. Throughout his interview, Isaac worked hard to portray himself as a victim,
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bringing up his past, the friends he's lost, and how deeply this event has traumatized him. He likely believes he's
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convincing that he's playing the role well. But what Isaac doesn't realize is how quickly things are about to turn
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against him. By the time officers come into Kiara's interrogation room to begin the
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interview, she's already been left alone for more than 3 hours. Plenty of time to
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think. In that silence, she began forming a plan, not to deny the murder outright, but to find a way to minimize
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her responsibility. Kiara knows there's no escaping the fact that a murder took place. [music] The body has been found
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and all evidence points directly to her. But she's not planning to walk out innocent. She's planning to walk out
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with a story. If she can act as though she's mentally unstable, there's a chance she'll be
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deemed not guilty by reason of insanity. This, in her eyes, is a much less severe
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outcome, which will get her back to the real world in no time. This is a common misconception. Legal insanity isn't
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about acting strange after arrest. It's about your mental state at the moment of
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the crime. Detectives record everything. And criminal psychologists are trained to spot rehearsed behavior and
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malingering. Even if a judge believes you are genuinely insane, you don't go home. You go to a locked forensic
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hospital with no fixed release date. If you aren't genuinely crippled by mental illness, the constant observation,
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enforced medication, and clinical evaluations become their own punishment. Kiara doesn't realize this, so she'll
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begin the interrogation with confidence that she can outsmart the system. >> Paul,
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any idea why you're here today? >> I believe it's cuz somebody was found dead in my room.
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>> Where's your room at? >> In the garage. [clears throat] >> The garage? >> Yes. I was trying to make sure this
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wasn't a freaking injury again. Feels so weird. >> You believe someone was found dead in
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your room? Do you have any idea who that might be? >> Well, I'm really tired, but
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uh last night Isaac invited my ex-girlfriend Grace Jennings, who now has is going by Yamo. I don't know
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anymore. I always knew her as Grace or Rose. Kiara takes no time to begin her act, alluding that she's had dreams of
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murder in the past. Unfortunately for her, Detective Vigil won't pick up on this, so she'll soon make another try.
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>> Was trying to sleep, but if you were [ __ ] memories for me again. God damn it. Sorry.
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>> Who are you talking to? >> Um, [clears throat] my best guess is that I have DID, but
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I'm not 100% certain. >> What's DID? >> Dissociative identity disorder. Um, I haven't had it actually diagnosed,
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but that's my best guess for my research. >> DID is a rare but serious mental illness
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affecting roughly 200,000 [music] US citizens. Kiara is not a part of that 200,000 as her DID is completely
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self-dagnosed. Records show she had never visited a medical facility to treat this supposed illness, nor does
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her family recall her ever discussing [music] it. She'll go on to explain her symptoms which only further prove her
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theatrics to the detective. >> Um there are different personalities that come out.
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>> Do you have names for them? >> Some of them. Yeah. >> What are their names? >> Um there's Abby
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and um then there's we call her Jinx because she hates people saying her real name.
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>> Jinx. >> You say her real name, she mad. [ __ ] >> Then there's one personality that I haven't seen in a
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long time. Like I haven't communicated with her with >> Wow. My name was Jess. >> Any other personalities?
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>> There's the little version of me which actually responds to my biological name.
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She >> She responds to Kiara. >> Yep. Yes. What do you mean by that door? >> It's
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like a little kid before bad [ __ ] started happening. >> We reached out to a California-based
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psychiatric doctor to get his opinions on Kiara's illness. He explained that Kiara showed no evident changes in voice
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or personality switching during the interview, something that is extremely common with DID patients. Additionally,
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the descriptions of her different personalities were superficial and lacking in detail, mostly limited to
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generic labels rather than the rich and textured indistinctions that real did patients involuntarily manifest. [music]
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It makes sense why a professional would later deem her mentally fit to stand trial. What kind of bad stuff happened?
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>> Oh, I've had bad relationship with my mom. Reason why I never wanted to see Grace, but I pissed me off by bringing
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her to my house. Is she alive or dead? >> Grace? >> Yeah. >> You don't know? >> I'm not sure.
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>> What do you think? >> Well, I'm partially hopeful for her to be dead, but I'm also like confused.
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Like, was I'm like, >> why would you hope that she's dead? >> Uh, I'm just angry at her, but I also
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have hope that she'd be better, but it's like this frustrating motion that I can't seem to pinpoint.
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>> Tell me about last night. What did you do last night? So Isaac tells me that Grace is coming over
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without asking me if it's okay. Is it okay if she comes over? He's like, "She's coming over." They started
00:28:06
talking about phones and Marvel and stuff that I don't really understand as much.
00:28:10
>> Mhm. >> I started feeling frustrated cuz she wasn't listening to me at all. >> So she stayed in the garage.
00:28:17
>> Yeah. >> And you slept in the garage and so did Isaac. >> Well, she and Isaac were sleeping. I was
00:28:23
just staring at the ceiling and trying to find a comfortable spot where I could actually fall asleep. Yeah.
00:28:28
>> I woke up well woke up as sat up around 9 or 10. Woke guys up. Next thing I remember is going to go
00:28:38
take a shower. >> You remember chunk missing? I don't understand. >> I'm confused.
00:28:48
>> Do you have a whole chunk of memory missing? >> Yeah. But you remember the whole night
00:28:53
clearly? >> Yeah, I remember most of it is like a little foggy cuz I'm like obviously
00:28:58
exhausted. >> Kiara's conveniently timed memory lapse during the [music] hours of Grace's
00:29:04
murder strongly suggests she's the one responsible. It almost feels deliberate, as if she's subtly acknowledging her
00:29:12
guilt while using the moment to reinforce the idea of her mental instability. She won't come right out
00:29:17
and confess, but she'll make it obvious it was her as long as her supposed illness is in the same sentence.
00:29:25
Detective Vigil knows this is nonsense, but instead of challenging her, he leans
00:29:30
into it, encouraging her to elaborate and reveal even more inconsistencies. Unaware of this strategy, Kiara walks
00:29:37
right into his trap. >> Tell me about these other personalities. What's Abby like?
00:29:43
>> She's very protective. She takes control when I'm in a very dangerous situation
00:29:48
and just says, "Okay, I'm here now. I am going to face this for you." >> Jinx is a troublemaker. Those are my
00:29:57
people. >> So, how does it work? >> So, imagine you're in a house and there's this big TV with the PS4 or
00:30:08
Xbox or [music] whatever. So, whoever's playing the game is in charge. Sometimes
00:30:14
you can peek over and kind of see what's going on. Sometimes this personality just decides, "Oh, I'm
00:30:20
going to go to this room that can't see the TV." Sometimes it feels like it's getting shut.
00:30:27
>> While dissociative episodes are sometimes described using imagery of rooms or houses, her explanation sounds
00:30:33
more like something taken from a movie than the words of someone truly experiencing psychological distress.
00:30:40
Detective Visual recognizes this, but sticks to his plan, keeping her talking, gradually, letting Kiara back herself
00:30:47
into a corner. >> So, who who was playing the game last night? >> Well, it I felt like
00:30:55
I was in control for a little while and then it just kept getting really foggy. Like, I was being thrown in a
00:31:02
damn hurt. >> You in control, meaning froggy, right? That's who we're talking to now. Froggy.
00:31:08
But before that, you remember everything >> more or less? I'm just like I felt a lot
00:31:16
of anger >> more so than >> Jinx has ever had or Aby's ever had. >> And I don't remember Jess being like
00:31:26
that, but she was also the one who was out more when she was with Grace. >> Kiara says her personality Jess had been
00:31:34
out while with Grace. However, just minutes ago, she stated she hadn't seen Jess come out in years.
00:31:41
>> Then, there's one personality that I haven't seen in a long time, and it was Jess.
00:31:48
>> Unfortunately for Kiara, in the interrogation room, you can only lie for so long before things start to crumble.
00:31:55
>> You said something interesting earlier. You said um you asked about Grace. You
00:31:59
asked if she was okay and you said that [clears throat] part of you would be okay if she was dead, right?
00:32:06
>> Yeah. >> Have you ever thought about hurting her or killing her? >> I had a couple dreams like that.
00:32:11
>> You had a couple dreams like that? >> Yeah. >> How' those dreams go? >> They were mostly right after we found
00:32:17
out that sometimes I would kill her, sometimes I would her. Sometimes it was just me screaming at her.
00:32:24
>> And how would you kill her? >> Depended [clears throat] on the dream. So, there's several dreams.
00:32:29
>> Yes. >> How many? >> I've had like a bunch of murder dreams, if you could call that. So, there's an
00:32:36
organization that I think is in charge of. I probably shouldn't be saying this to a cop. Well, it's called Ghost.
00:32:44
They're like an underground version of cops in a way, but a little more intense and deadly.
00:32:51
Kiara's explanation of her disturbing dreams shine light on a core variable in her and Isaac's crimes, their
00:32:58
idolization of violence. We've had to cut the next small portion of the interrogation out because Kiara
00:33:05
discusses detailed dreams so grim they unfortunately wouldn't be allowed on YouTube. This chilling theme can be seen
00:33:12
across Kiara's various social media profiles, all of which are still public to this day. Her constant posts showcase
00:33:20
a fascination for horror. Even just a day before Grace's murder, Kiara would post several demonic videos to her Tik
00:33:28
Tok. These dark fascinations are things most teenagers outgrow, but for Kiara, they became reality. She speaks of an
00:33:37
underground group called Ghost, offering few details beyond its obsession with deadly violence. Whether she mentions it
00:33:44
to support her insanity claim or to impress the detective is unclear, but the information is useful to the police.
00:33:51
Detective Vigil presses further, hoping to draw out anything she's willing to give.
00:33:57
>> They get rid of people who are in words in charge of trafficking, in charge of anything that has to deal with
00:34:07
hurting kids. He kept trying to tell me just do it and you're gonna just just kill her.
00:34:14
>> Then you'll get ranked up. >> Yeah. >> He had we join and I'm like I don't know
00:34:20
what the's going on. And I kept hesitating. It's like >> what's that thing there?
00:34:25
>> It said I'm very confused because he hasn't told me Jack [ __ ] She just gave
00:34:30
this to me. It was like now you're a part of it. Like okay. Sounds like like an initiation tattoo kind of
00:34:37
>> some ghost an underground society of people that kind of [music] their own version of
00:34:43
cops and justice. They kind of kill bad people. >> And this is kind of me trying to piece
00:34:48
together kind of like what you were saying like the messages I saw too was Isaac trying to push you to kill Grace.
00:34:56
>> Yeah. M I had my dagger in my hand and I kept going and then just stopped like I
00:35:03
felt a little kid's hand hold me back like it was Kiara talking don't don't. The moment Detective Vigil gives Kiara
00:35:13
the opportunity to blame Isaac for the murder, she takes it, bringing up details about Isaac's underground
00:35:19
organization, as well as his repeated pressure for her to kill Grace. And while Kiara has been caught in a web of
00:35:26
lies up until this point, her remarks about Isaac would turn out to be nearly completely honest. Detective Vigil has
00:35:33
achieved everything he could have wanted from this interrogation. So, he decides
00:35:37
to end things, leaving Kiara to spend the night in jail. His focus now is on Isaac and trying to hone in on how
00:35:44
implicated he actually was in this murder. [music] So, before returning from his break, vigilant his partner
00:35:51
would devise a plan. Police confiscated his phone while being detained earlier that day. Traditionally, to gain access
00:35:58
to the phone involves a multi-month process involving warrants and various subpoenas. However, if they can get
00:36:04
Isaac to sign a consent form, they can gain access to his phone immediately and observe his reaction in real time as
00:36:11
they read his messages. With this plan in mind, Detective Vigil along with his partner would return back to Isaac's
00:36:18
interrogation room. >> Hey, Isaac. So, I have your cell phone. I know our cell phones are very
00:36:23
important to us cuz we have pretty much all our personal information on them and
00:36:26
everything. Given that there were kind of messages and stuff um and this is still lack of investigation, there is
00:36:32
reason to believe that there is potentially evidence on your phone. So, one way or another, we are going to have
00:36:37
to look at the data on the phone. And >> [music] >> um it's just a fancy form and a fancy
00:36:41
way of saying that you're giving us permission to extract the data from your phone and only look at things uh
00:36:46
pertaining to this case. >> Yeah. sign right there, please. And the phone and password.
00:36:52
>> There's no password. >> No password. >> It's just a quick swipe up and reset.
00:36:57
>> Okay. >> The plan works surprisingly well. Isaac seems to be completely oblivious of what
00:37:04
he just signed. Ironically, this very signature will most likely seal his fate in court, [music] exposing countless
00:37:11
deeply disturbing messages with Kiara. >> Um, okay. Messages. Did you have any messages between you and Grace? put on
00:37:19
Instagram. >> Instagram. Okay. >> Okay. So, this is kind of when everything started. Hey, I got kicked
00:37:24
out and she's telling everyone to leave her house. I'm going to head to my fam's
00:37:28
place. First of all, who Second, my mom can only come get me at 3:30. Why is she
00:37:34
kicking you out? And does she know I'm here? Wait a minute. I thought I thought you guys all hung out the
00:37:44
night before. >> We did. Grace actually thought she was being snuck into the home without Kiara
00:37:52
knowing. Clearly, the two were planning something that Grace was unaware of. Isaac completely freezes as his lies
00:38:00
finally begin to catch up [music] to him. You'll notice Isaac go into this panic state often in the next 25 minutes
00:38:07
because this is the first of many more blatant lies detectives would find. >> So, how come she doesn't know she's
00:38:16
there? I was very confused and I told her, >> "She's kicking me out because you're
00:38:22
here and she knows it." Did she not know she was there? Cuz that's what it looks
00:38:26
like. >> She knew she was there. >> Then why is it looking like in these messages?
00:38:30
>> She She knew she was there and acting like she didn't know where she was. And
00:38:35
that was the part that threw me off was like, "She's kicking us out. Why is she kicking me out? And how does she know
00:38:42
I'm here?" I'm like, "We discussed it." >> Yes. Okay. Where are your messages with
00:38:47
Kiara? >> They're going to be in Messenger. Oh, >> okay. She says she is leaving at 3:30.
00:38:55
What would you like me to do? Stab her. I don't know. I don't have the energy to do [ __ ] I am fake and thrown
00:39:03
out. You're getting fake thrown out. >> Yes. That's usually how it happens. I get told to leave.
00:39:09
>> Mhm. >> And 5 days later, she charged me to come back. >> Uhhuh. Unless I ask your mom to give me
00:39:16
[music] a ride to Target and you do what is needed. What do you mean you do what
00:39:20
is needed? >> I have no clue. From this on from beyond here, I don't know what's going on.
00:39:25
>> You don't know what's going on? But these are messages from you. [music] >> Is there um I do have another cell phone
00:39:34
didn't tell you guys about, but it's still over there at the house. >> So you did send these messages
00:39:40
>> or you did >> on this from down on? No. Everything Is Isaac is saying is a terribly orchestrated act. Moments of
00:39:49
clear incrimination like this are often considered the critical moments of an interrogation. It's the point in which
00:39:55
every decision the detective makes can be the difference between a complete confession or a failed session with the
00:40:01
suspect. Isaac's nervous behavior indicates he knows things are slipping out of control. So, Detective Visual
00:40:08
makes the smart decision to give up the nice cop act and start pressing for answers.
00:40:13
Isaac, this is getting really weird, man. >> I have a second phone. >> You have a second phone?
00:40:18
>> Yes. >> Where is that phone? >> That's at the house. >> Okay. >> It is logged into the same Facebook
00:40:22
account. >> I don't know, man. These these messages look a lot like there's some [music]
00:40:27
conspiring going on, some planning going on. >> From that point where I was telling you
00:40:32
from >> even before then, it sounds like you guys are planning something. You're fake
00:40:36
getting thrown out. And what >> I say fake getting thrown out like I said was. Do do you want to start over?
00:40:42
Cuz I'm [music] I'm really confused with everything that's going on. Like you're telling me
00:40:49
you have two phones now and those other messages aren't you and it it's what you're telling me. Your statement isn't
00:40:56
lining up with these [music] messages. >> Isaac's demeanor has shifted drastically
00:41:00
from just minutes prior. He knows how poorly things have just gotten for him. >> Now, I told you at the beginning of this
00:41:07
talk that we need to be we need to be [clears throat] truthful. Yes, right. >> I am being truthful. I do have a
00:41:11
secondary phone and I'm telling you the messages are not me. They're from Kiara to
00:41:21
using my Facebook from me to Kiara, but I can't quite explain how it looks. >> Kiara to Kiara.
00:41:30
>> Yes. >> Why would she do that? >> She's told me that she's wanting to ruin my life.
00:41:34
>> Dagger because it's blunt. What does that mean? She was ask she asked me a question in the room like what what is
00:41:41
the difference between the dagger and the sword. >> Okay. >> And I messaged dagger because it's why
00:41:47
is blunt better? She says you say it cuts like butter. She says just going to stab the throat. Is that what she's
00:41:54
trying to say? >> The [music] thought. Just going to stab the thought. Yes. Instant or will it
00:42:00
take long? What does she mean? Instant. What do we do about the mess? Reb burn it and I'll buy new blankets in bed.
00:42:09
What's going on here, Isaac? >> She said stab was gonna stab the thought and I thought thought like oh [music]
00:42:17
like she was poking the thought that was in her head about her dagger. >> Okay. What about the mess? What mess?
00:42:25
>> A poop kind of mess. >> A poop kind of mess. Can you help this time? Yes. I am just waiting for you to
00:42:31
make the first move. What does she mean? I'm waiting for you to make the first move. She will wait
00:42:36
till sleep. Shall we wait till sleep? So, you guys slept in a bed full of poop? >> Yes.
00:42:42
>> Remember when you told me don't be a when I kissed you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brat, we will have to take care of the
00:42:48
messy. I thought she already pooped herself. What mess are you guys taking care of?
00:42:52
>> I don't know. >> I can't tell if she's falling asleep. It feels like it. Her feet are on my side.
00:43:00
I wish you'd make the first move for once. Remember, you'll move up the ranks. [music] Plus, you get perks in
00:43:06
the black market since this is your first. Your first what? >> She >> Isaac, what the hell happened? I can see
00:43:13
the messages. I'm not dumb. This isn't the first time I've done this. >> What is happening?
00:43:18
>> She was planning on killing Grace. I just didn't want a part of it. >> It doesn't seem like you're trying to
00:43:24
talk her out of it. I was only sending message back in agreeance as I turned my back towards.
00:43:33
>> This isn't agreeance. Remember, you'll move up in ranks plus you get perks in
00:43:37
the black market since [music] this is your first. This sounds like you're encouraging her,
00:43:42
>> right? >> The messages are here, dude. >> I know. I I know. >> Did you help Kiara do this?
00:43:48
>> No. >> No. But you knew it was going to happen. >> I knew it was it was going to happen.
00:43:53
You knew it was going to happen. >> Kiara planned it out. >> Kiara planned it out. When? How long had
00:43:58
this been a plan for? >> She had planned it out since [music] 2020. >> Kiara planned to kill Grace since 2020.
00:44:07
And then last night, Grace messages you looking for a place to stay. And that's the opportunity for this.
00:44:14
>> I didn't see it as an opportunity. I saw it as an opportunity. More like let's
00:44:19
squash everything. Then why are you saying you'll make it up the ranks plus your perks in the
00:44:25
black market since this is your first? Cuz you're talking about killing her here, right?
00:44:30
>> I was. >> What else could this mean? >> I was trying to talk about something else cuz I'm trying to get my mind off.
00:44:37
>> Isaac, really? You're trying to talk about something else there? >> Yes. I don't know.
00:44:43
>> How do I aim? How do I aim? Right. Just aim. Well, tell me what you're talking
00:44:48
about there. >> That's Call of Duty. That's Call of Duty. Tell me when. Okay, I'll give a
00:44:54
count. Six. Five. I can't yet, dude. Four. I'm shaking, dude. I know. I lose the nervous. Help me drive it through.
00:45:03
Help me drive it through. >> She was asking me to do >> to stab her. >> Yes. >> Help me drive the dagger through.
00:45:11
Grace, anger me. I'm going to [music] pretend to sleep so it looks nonconspicuous.
00:45:18
Tell me about all that. Those are not my messages. Cuz >> help me. Just do it. Be ready to grab
00:45:24
her or a trash bag. She is your list. Don't tell me this isn't you messaging. I know this is you messaging.
00:45:32
>> Be trans be transparent and tell me what's going on here. >> She had talked to me and said,
00:45:39
>> um, so what now? And I was like, this this is going to be your first uh way out if
00:45:46
you just leave this alone. You're edging her to do this. Come on, Isaac. Isaac, look at all these messages, man. You're
00:45:53
going to sit here and tell me. You're going to look me in the eye and you're going to tell me that you were trying to
00:45:58
talk her out of this. I can see right here you're telling her to do it. I wish you would just stop with all the what I
00:46:04
feel like is you trying to [music] figure out lies. every message we go through and things will be a lot better
00:46:10
for you moving on if you just come out and you cooperate and you tell us everything that happened, tell us the
00:46:14
truth, tell us everything, [music] it'll be better for you. >> Would I be able to talk to you
00:46:18
privately? >> Yes. You want her to leave? >> Uh, yes. >> All right. Okay. >> Isaac would request to have a private
00:46:25
conversation with Detective Vigil, which he would oblige to based on police reports. Isaac would go on to admit to
00:46:32
sending all the text messages and confess he wanted Grace dead all along, although remaining stern that he was not
00:46:39
directly involved in the actual killing. Later that week, detectives would go on
00:46:44
to interview both Kiara's mother as well as Isaac's. This killing came as a complete shock to everyone who were
00:46:52
completely unaware of the dark path their children had been going down. It sheds light on the importance of closely
00:46:58
monitoring your children as you never know what's going on in their lives, at least not fully. Both Kiara and Isaac
00:47:06
were charged with first-degree murder.