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There aren't that many cases where the suspects are smarter than the authorities. But in these four cases,
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the police are completely outclassed. Mark Denclow was a gang leader accused of kidnapping, torturing, and murdering
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a former member. But what police didn't know is that Mark was about to completely outsmart them. In July of
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2015, Robert Huggin's body was found badly beaten with a fractured skull, lacerations across the chest, and
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missing nipples. Robert had been kicked from the Gypsy Joker motorcycle club just days earlier. So, eventually, Mark
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was identified as the lead suspect and brought in for interrogation. You're with a motorcycle club. You have
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some affiliation with one. Is that right? I don't have any answers for the for questions like that.
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Okay. Well, the reason I'm asking is that a few months back gentleman named Jeff Sudan, you know him? He threw your
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name out in conjunction with kind of a repossession of a car, a collection of a car. That sound familiar to you?
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No. Jeff Sudan almost might I'm not sure about that. It seems like sedan rings a
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bell somewhere, but no collections of a car. No, I don't know. Mark makes it clear to the cops exactly
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how his interrogation is going to go, stating that he simply won't be answering any questions he doesn't want
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to. However, he's chosen to wave his right to an attorney, meaning he has to approach the interrogation completely on
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his own. The cops ask a few more questions about Mark's background, but he quickly decides they've heard enough.
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Okay, so this last time, how long? So, there's my background. That's it on Nicole. What else you want to know?
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There's Nicole. Uh the problem here Nicole had a uh uh it Well, let me back up a little bit. How long have you been
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in a relationship possible? I'm not going to answer any more questions about Nicole. I don't have any
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more answers for you until I find out what you're talking about. Okay. You guys brought me in. I didn't bring you
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in. I want to hear what you got to talk about. Well, I'm trying to get to that, but
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part of that's going to involve how long you've known Nicole. Well, that's you're going to if you if
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you don't want to tell me what the heck I'm doing here, say so. because I'm not going to sit here and give you a bunch
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of my background so you can play whatever kind of game you're playing. This is kind of stupid, man. I just got
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picked up and and treated pretty roughly. You can still see the the uh marks on my hands. This one was
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completely asleep all the way here and thrown in a room, a complete silent room there. I want to know what the
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heck's going on, man. Okay. As is common in many cases like this, Mark hasn't been told why he's been
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brought in. However, he should have already put two and two together. After Robert was kicked from the gang, he
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broke into Mark's house, tied up, and threatened Nicole, and stole a large amount of firearms as revenge.
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Regardless, Mark is still refusing to answer any questions and trying his best to confirm why he's even there in the
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first place. Nicole took off in a car that she may have uh purchased with assets that
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belong to you or something like that, and then Jeff Sudan and a couple other guys kind of returned that car to you.
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Does that make sense to you? Is that or attempted to? Or attempted to. So, if we got the story wrong, can you
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help us out with that? I'm not going to straighten your story out. No, I'm not. Not until I find out
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why I'm sitting here. Well, a few months before this car thing happened, um Nicole was at your house
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and uh somebody busted in the house and uh roughed her up a little bit, tied her up. You remember that?
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You know, I can't really answer to that. You're going to have to get that story from her.
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Mark's suspicions have now been confirmed, and he's probably also linked it all the way back to Robert's death.
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What's interesting, though, is that his body language doesn't change at all when
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the cop starts to talk about the break-in. Usually, you'd expect some sort of movement or obvious discomfort,
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but he actually remains completely still, only moving to display how ridiculous the cop's claims are.
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Who did you tell about what did happen then? Oh god. Don't play with tons of people,
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man. Okay. You give me some examples. No. Okay. No, I'm not going to sit here and name
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names for you, man. But but I'll tell you what what uh I don't really understand why this stuff that you're
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talking about with this dude and the Conor stuff. Why would that get handcuffs put on me?
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Well, why would those handcuffs go on me? What did I What What did I do that was illegal in any of that stuff? What
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did I even have to do with it? I wasn't even there for any of it. None of it. Not anything that you've talked about so
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far. I was a long way away from it. So why would I get handcuffs put around my wrist for it?
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Fortunately for Mark, there's a very simple way to get access to all the information he's looking for. All he has
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to do is get a lawyer. In a criminal case such as this one, the police are required to give an attorney all of the
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evidence proving the accused may be innocent or guilty. Many people have an incorrect belief that asking for a
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lawyer is an inherent admission of guilt. But every suspect, guilty or not, has a complete unquestionable right to
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an attorney. Asking for one at any point in the investigation is completely fine
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and cannot be used against you in court. Over the next few minutes, the cops question mark further about Nicole and
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her friends before finally deciding to bring up Robert. One of her junkie friends.
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Bagger Bob. Yeah, they bring you. Yeah, I know who that is. He's a guy that got killed
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about a year and a half ago. Okay. Yeah. Was he one of the ones who set this up with Nicole,
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man? You know, you're gonna have to if you're trying to trying to like tie that into this or something like that, you're
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going to have to talk to Nicole about that. Okay. So, was Bagger Bob one of your
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friends, not hers? Well, you know, like like I said, you know, actually, hey, if now that [ __ ]
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you're starting to bring his name into it and he got killed now, I don't think I have any other questions to answer for
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you. Now, I think having a lawyer here might be a good idea. Okay. Sorry. I think that'd be a good idea if you're
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starting to ask questions about a dead guy. Okay. Let me let me clarify something
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with you. Okay. Uh do you want us to keep chatting or do you want to talk to a lawyer? I need to
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know. Um you can keep chat. I'll keep listening a little longer before I before I call in a lawyer. Yeah.
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Okay. Now that Robert has been brought in, Mark knows it's the right time to ask for a lawyer, but still decides
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against it. This is probably because he's trying to show some amount of compliance. Each time Mark says he's got
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nothing to say, he usually follows that up by giving police at least a small piece of information. Mark currently has
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a dilemma. He must either choose whether to continue talking with the police in an effort to seem more innocent, but
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risk slipping up and giving them too much info or completely shut down and refuse to give any more information. He
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can't have it both ways. Now what? Well, I I'm not Am I arrested for anything? Uh, you're being detained at this point.
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Okay, but I'm not under arrest by you. That's correct. Okay, then I don't need a lawyer. But
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yeah, do you do you suspect me of something? Well, help us get this on because if you suspect me of doing a
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crime, let me know so I can get a lawyer. You know what I mean? Well, I don't think we've accused you of
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committing. No, you haven't. And that's why I'm still looking at these marks on my
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wrists and going, man, what a way to treat somebody who's not suspected of doing a crime. Okay?
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You know, what Mark doesn't seem to realize is that they technically have accused him
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of a crime. In criminal law, being detained means to hold an individual in custody if there is reasonable suspicion
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that they engaged in or are about to be engaged in criminal activity. Taking this at face value, the cops have just
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explicitly told Mark they believe he's a criminal. It's clear that Mark believes
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he knows what's up in the interrogation rule, but he's definitely missing out on
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some crucial pieces of knowledge. Can you clarify anything for us about Baggerbot? You know, any stories that I
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tell at all about that guy, they dip into club business. They It's club stuff. And I'm not going to tell
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club stuff with you guys for nothing. That's just it's against my rules and it ain't going to happen.
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Okay? You know, even when he was out of the club, uh that big a deal to tell you guys that
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he he stole from the club and then uh when he got caught for it, he blamed it all on heroin, which was automatic kick
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out for him. So, it's not like we found out about the heroin. We found out about
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the stealing. And when we jumped about the stealing, he blamed it all on heroin. That's what happened. And he got
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kicked out of the club like anybody would. Despite telling the cops that he isn't
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going to say anything about Robert, he decides to talk about him and the club for another 20 full minutes, going on
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huge tangents, and telling random stories completely unrelated to the case. The cops then decide to take a
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break and leave Mark alone for a further 20 minutes before returning once again and asking if he'd like a lawyer.
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So, a few times you've, you know, mentioned maybe a lawyer, maybe not. We'd like to talk to you further, but we
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just want to make sure. I mean, it's your choice. If you want a lawyer, that's fine. We'll stop communicating
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here. If you don't want a lawyer, we can keep talking and obviously has the right
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to explain. Then I must be going to get arrested or you wouldn't have me call a lawyer in
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here. Then definitely I want a lawyer. If I'm going to get arrested, I'm a lawyer. Yeah.
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So, like I said, I don't know what your charges are going to be. That's being determined.
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Yeah, man. If there's going to be charges. So, you guys are So, I just had to sit here now. I'm going to wait for
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you guys to decide what my charges are going to be. What a bunch of crap, man. Why didn't you figure that out before
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you came and got me if you're going to charge me with something? This is I mean, that's pretty pretty rude
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treatment for somebody who isn't charged with anything yet. Well, part of it was determined on on
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what you're able to tell us or willing to tell us. Yeah. Because you're the only one who
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can talk yourself out of the hole you're in. Well, hole. I'm not in the hole, man. I mean, you
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guys may think I'm in a hole, but I know I'm not in a hole because have you done
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anything that you should be arrested for lately? I know I haven't. But it turns out Mark was absolutely in
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a hole. About as deep a hole as you could manage to get. After a long legal battle, Mark and another club member,
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Chad Ericson, were both charged with kidnapping and torturing Robert Huggin to death. and as of 2022 were sentenced
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to life behind bars. But unlike Mark, Debab made the cops look outright stupid when he was brought in for allegedly
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assaulting and robbing the owner of a nightclub. The baby aka Jonathan Kirk was brought in for an interrogation. But
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little did the detectives know he was about to completely outsmart them and show exactly how you should act in this
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situation. What's your full name? Come on. Come on. We just want We just want to
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get it for you. This is just a format. Just tell your name and all that stuff. Immediately, it's obvious that this
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isn't going to be an easy one for the detectives. Kirk starts off by refusing to answer any of the officer's
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questions, even just regarding his own name. He's already been read his Miranda rights, informing him that he has the
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right to remain silent. So, it seems as though he's choosing to do just that. Interestingly, however, he is choosing
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to wave his right to a lawyer. And let's be honest here. It's not because he can't afford it. The best course of
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action if you're ever put in this scenario is to stay silent and ask for a lawyer. But this time, Kirk is confident
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that he'll be able to wrigle out of this himself as long as he chooses his words
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carefully. An incident occurred at the hotel 1500 Southwest 1st Avenue that you were there for. Correct.
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What incident? An incident. You You had an altercation with somebody? No, you didn't. Did you have a business
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dealing with somebody? No. You didn't? No. So, somebody didn't bring you $20,000
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in front of the hotel in your SUE? No. Somebody had somebody bring $20,000 that wasn't theirs and lied to them and
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told them that it was for an event of theirs on the 31st and lied to them. That person once he
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realized they was doing bad business said nah and left for his $20,000. Okay. So you didn't count
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and got my contact information to do business the right way. That's what happened.
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What time was it? I don't know. every time they told him, whatever time, whatever time the cameras
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show me not robbing no damn body that time. Kirk is claiming that he had nothing to
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do with anything that happened outside. His story is somewhat unclear, but he's essentially saying that his manager was
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talking with an event promoter about playing at a nightclub called Cafe Iguana Pines. But it turns out the money
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that they were offering was stolen and the promoter was acting strange during the deal. So instead of taking it and
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going through with it anyway, he told them to get their act together and left without an argument. This of course does
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not explain the altercation outside that was clearly caught on camera. But with the footage unclear and no witnesses
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nearby to identify the asalants, as long as Kirk sticks to his story, theoretically things should be perfectly
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fine. Common sense. Common sense. You know what I made to even be down here? the pro a promoter
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booked me at that hotel. I didn't pay to be at those. That was paid for. You' let me room. You would have saw
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close to a4 million dollars cash legally or hard earned money. I don't got to take nothing from nobody, bro.
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Well, let me ask you this. I will go outside here right now and throw $10,000 in the air. Like, I do not
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care about no money. I don't Was there an argument? No, it was an argument. I didn't argue
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with a soul. I didn't argue with a soul. My voice was never raised. Never aggressive language
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from me. None of that. No fight. None of that. No, I ain't seen no fight, man. Nothing's taken. We shouldn't be in
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no robbery, bro. So, when y'all get done doing what y'all doing, y'all need to do
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y'all job. Y'all need to follow your process. Y'all need to arrest whoever g these false allegations, bro. This
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[ __ ] While it may just look like Kirk is flexing his rapper money here, this is actually a very good point for
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him to bring up in this situation. If he's doing random $30,000 deals on a weekday and paying for hundreds of
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thousands of people per month, what does he need $80 and an iPhone for? The further he can place himself from this
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event, both literally and figuratively, the better. From Kirk's point of view, he was nowhere near that crime. He had
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no reason to commit that crime and he has sound and reasonable explanation for his whereabouts at the time. However,
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from the detective side, a crime was committed and Kirk's vehicle was right there as it happened. So, they need to
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try and extract the information needed to piece his day together to come up with a story that Kirk cannot argue
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with. That forces him into a confession. When I encountered you in the hotel, you
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came back to the uh the concier the counter. Where were you coming from at that point?
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Prime. Prime. Whatever. Whatever the hell I went to eat. I went to get some food.
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Where is that? I don't know, bro. You don't know? No. How'd you get there? In the car, bro.
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What kind of car was it? Car you drove? Somebody else drove? A Uber, bro. A Uber?
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Yeah. What kind of car was it? Small car, SUV, truck. What? I don't know. Let's talk about what
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matters. Talk about what y'all need to get me about this stuff. When I'm driving in
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the car, what I went to go eat, what time I went, that don't have nothing to do with the fact I ain't robbed a damn
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soul. Me, nobody around me. Ain't nobody robbing nobody. Let's take the word robbery out the
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picture. So, while we here, we taking the word robbery out the picture. Y'all, y'all
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are robbery detectives. This is robbery unit. That's the second word he said. That's the second word he said when he
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came in here. A robbery. Come on, bro. Okay, listen. He told me he asked to question me about
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a robbery when I walk in my hotel. Uh, robbery. I had every answer to the question you needed right there. Whoa,
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that ain't it. That's false. Throw that out the window. We talking about robbery, bro. It's nothing for me to
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talk about. I didn't rob. So, do you think that we we just woke up this morning and decided to just
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I think y'all got a phone call from somebody that that's already a liar. I know they're a liar. Got a phone call
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somebody that's a liar and y'all bought it. Y'all believed it. Y'all got me in here and y'all put me in handcuffs,
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brought me outside the hotel handcuffs, cameras and [ __ ] all on me. Come on, bro. This [ __ ] is bad for what I got
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going on and I ain't need to do [ __ ] to that man. Even without a lawyer present, Kirk
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knows exactly what to do. He currently has the upper hand in this interrogation and needs to keep it that way. The cops
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are searching for anything that puts Kirk at the scene of the crime, but by redirecting the conversation away from
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that, back to what he thinks is actually important, there's no realistic way that
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they'll be able to get what they need. But even though he's winning, it's still worth noting how strange it is that he's
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not asking for a lawyer. Kirk obviously knows exactly what to do in an interrogation and has clearly spent time
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learning what to do. If that's true, he should also know that there's next to no
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scenarios where lawyering up will harm his case. But whether it's an ego thing or just a lapse in his thinking, Kirk is
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definitely still winning this interrogation. But he's about to start absolutely dominating.
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We talking about criminals. When when I do business, it's legally It's legal. It's legally binded.
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It's legally binded. Everything I do, you have to sign a contract. You got to sign a contract.
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It's a contract right now. That whole incident happened and nothing nothing went wrong. Nothing nothing
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happened. There was no not there was no fight. There was no scuffle. There was no I ain't fighting
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nobody. I ain't fighting nobody. But y'all know it's too much. Y'all know too many lies. You get what I'm saying?
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That's why y'all got to move backwards like that, bro. Like you're saying you're saying that they're
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lies, but you don't you we you don't know what we what we have going on. Okay. I know. I know. If y'all I know if y'all
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had proof of me robbing somebody, we wouldn't even be talking. Y'all would have cuffed me. I would be charged with
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it. That's what I know, bro. That's what I know. Now, while this isn't necessarily true in every case, it is
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absolutely true here. If you're in an interrogation room and the cops are trying to find out details of the case
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and accusing you of a crime instead of charging you immediately, it very likely means that they're missing the details
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needed to charge you. In the vast majority of cases, an interrogation is only done to extract a confession when
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they don't have enough evidence to easily convict you otherwise. There are a few other niche scenarios such as
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trying to figure out why you committed a crime, but it's often very easy to distinguish why exactly you're there
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based on what you know about the event and what questions they're asking. If the cops know that you're guilty and
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have irrefutable evidence, cooperation has a lot of merit. But if they can't prove you did what they say you did,
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stay silent and ask for a lawyer. Especially if you're innocent. I know your side of the story. my side
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of the story is I ain't I ain't done I don't have a side to I ain't done nothing to nobody
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and before something could be done to me and before something could be done to me
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I realized I was dealing with with a a bad business and I remove what why you said was
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I already told y that you want to rewind this you going to rewind it bro I already told y'all bro my story not
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going to come out different no matter how many times I said it bro it's not bro it's right here you press stop and
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rewind and play. We going here. Why I said it was bad business, bro. Come on, bro. There's nothing blowing my phone up
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all day, y'all. He needed my help. But his event, he already was in in deep water cuz he's already doing and I see
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why he's already doing bad business. You see what I'm saying? He has an event that wasn't going to go as planned. He
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needed me to make up for that. He needed me to cover his ass. So, he brought in another person, lied to him, swindled
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him. He thinking he coming to book me for a whole different event. And they tricking him. Got him paying me to come
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do a walk through tonight. Come on, bro. The nigga's full of [ __ ] And matter of fact, check them cameras.
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Y'all got crime scene investigation unit out there. Check the cameras. See him meet up with somebody else in the lobby.
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Ask him, "Hey, who is that?" Ask them. Follow up on what I'm telling y'all. That's what we're trying.
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I mean, [ __ ] I mean, [ __ ] At the end of the day, at the end of the day, I would expect people to act on
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common sense. Anyway, the cops have realized that they're definitely not getting anything out of
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him for now. He's told his side of the story and made it clear that it won't be changing no matter what they say. So, as
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is the protocol here, the detectives decide to leave the room and spend some time outside trying to come up with
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their next move. This is also often done as it gives the suspect time alone in the room to sit and build up anxiety. In
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many cases, it can actually be the difference between breaking through a suspect or not. But in this case, Kirk
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literally just shut his eyes and went to sleep. This dude really does not care. However, it seems as though the
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detectives couldn't come up with their next step and decided that nothing was going to make this guy budge. The next
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time a detective returned, it was regarding the security of Kirk's belongings that had been left in his
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hotel room. Even though he hasn't been convicted yet, he was still the prime suspect of this investigation. So, he'd
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be spending some time in jail while they figured out what to do and gathered all
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the evidence they could. So, they just had to figure out what to do with his stuff while he was locked up. But
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obviously, Kirk refused to let them touch his stuff and just let the hotel deal with it. Kirk was facing a possible
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sentence of up to 15 years in prison, plus a $10,000 fine, plus any charges they could slap him with for the
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battery. That's only if they could gather enough evidence, though. Evidence they absolutely were not getting from
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Kirk or the blocked security footage. That was the only evidence the crime even took place. So just after 48 hours
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in jail, the baby was released and sent on his way. Just 2 months later, all charges were dropped and he remained a
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free man. But Jeff Pearson's story by far trumps the others as he wasn't a famous rapper. He was just a heroin
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addict. Reports began flooding into the local PD when alarm bells began to sound
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in a local 7-Eleven, but there was no suspect to be found anywhere close. Police decided to expand the search and
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that's when they heard commotion in a nearby house. Without any other leads, they stormed in discovering Jeff inside
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sitting next to a gun. And that's when Jeff was arrested and brought in to be interviewed. The next 24 hours were
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captured on police cameras within the interview room. But conversely to most footage similar to this, it was
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originally uploaded to the suspect's own YouTube channel on the 25th of September, 2011. This is the first sign
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of what makes Jeff a cult figure and a legend within the interrogation community. Jeff was held in police
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custody for almost an entire day, but all of the footage from the three interrogation sessions held barely 15
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minutes. Given that robbery and arrest took place within the state of Georgia, the usual minimum sentence would be
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around 10 years imprisonment, ranging up to a maximum of life without parole. But
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it would transpire that Jeff wouldn't end up doing a minute of this time. And instead of serving multiple decades
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behind bars, he spent a day being served drinks and candy while delivering a master class in what to do while in
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police custody. The following footage shows us in stunning detail what methods the cops will try on you and how to
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dodge them like an absolute pro. The footage starts with Jeff handcuffed in a small windowless room dressed in prison
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scrubs. It's clear he's already been processed and spent some time in a cell, likely while the cops spent some time
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gathering the evidence and prepared to question him. Am I under arrest? For now,
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I'm under arrest? Yeah, I I'll explain everything. But before I talk before I explain myself to
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you, before we talk to each other, I need to read your rights. Okay. What am I under arrest for?
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Well, like I said, I need to read your rights first. Obviously, the charge is robbery. Okay. Jeff immediately opens by
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asking if he's under arrest and on what grounds. From the first moment, it's evident that Jeff has done his research,
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as this is exactly what you should be doing in this situation. From here, there are two options. If you're not
00:24:48
being arrested or detained, you can state that you're also not obligated to stay and answer questions, and you
00:24:55
should be completely free to leave the interrogation. If you are being arrested, you can then immediately ask
00:25:00
for a lawyer and stay silent until you're provided with one. These options give you the best chance of stopping the
00:25:07
police in their tracks and allow you to create the best defense possible. What's
00:25:11
amusing is that when you're being arrested in America, the officer is actually legally obligated to remind you
00:25:17
of this. Take a listen to the Miranda warning that this detective reads out to Jeff.
00:25:22
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can will be used against you in the court of law. You
00:25:25
have the right to talk to the lawyer for advice before he question you. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer and you
00:25:30
want one, a lawyer will be provided for you. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you'll
00:25:34
still have the right to stop answering questions at any time. Does that make sense? You probably heard these before,
00:25:39
haven't you? These three points are incredibly important and are often overlooked by
00:25:44
the average citizen due to the panic of being arrested in the first place. Alongside this, because of how much we
00:25:51
hear these lines in media such as police shows and movies, most people completely
00:25:56
glaze over it when they're being read these rights and fail to take into account that they're actually being
00:26:01
provided with useful information that allows you to stay safe and protected while in police custody. What this
00:26:07
detective didn't mention though is that if you ask for a lawyer while under arrest, they are not allowed to continue
00:26:12
questioning and you have a complete unquestionable right to refuse to answer any questions they may ask until you're
00:26:19
provided with an attorney. The detective also ends the rights with a snide remark
00:26:24
about Jeff's past, meant to subconsciously remind him that he is a previously convicted criminal. Do you
00:26:30
understand your rights? Do you understand your rights, Jeff? Yes or no? You understand?
00:26:36
We're getting paid more than you are. So, we can sit here for a long time, man. I just need you to answer me yes or no.
00:26:41
Do you understand your rights? Let's get through that question. Do you understand
00:26:44
what I read you? Do you comprehend what I read you? Jeff has been explicitly told he has the
00:26:50
right to remain silent. So, that's exactly what he's deciding to do right here. The leading detective leans back
00:26:56
in his chair. This was meant to show that he's unconcerned with Jeff's silence and that he can stay there as
00:27:03
long as necessary. But body language like this usually indicates some form of unrest. It's clear that the detective
00:27:11
knows that this is going to be a tricky few hours for them. If you got something that says you
00:27:15
didn't do this robbery, this is your chance to talk to us. Okay, good cop. Uh, no. Usually I'm the prick.
00:27:25
You look like the prick. I am. If it's dominance we're talking about, Jeff just took everything the
00:27:32
cops had and dumped it in that garbage can. I'm I'm not asking if you want to talk
00:27:37
to me at this point. I just want to know, do you understand what I read to you? So, am I under arrest?
00:27:41
Yes, you're under arrest. I'm getting back to the cell. I don't talk to you [ __ ]
00:27:46
Okay, fair enough. In this first round of interrogation, Jeff exhibited exactly the correct
00:27:52
behavior given his current circumstances. He knows the cops have nothing on him. They wouldn't be there
00:27:59
talking to him in the first place if they did. So he stays silent. And so it's off back to his cell he goes. But
00:28:05
two hours later, he's brought back to the same room for round two. You wanted a coke?
00:28:13
Yeah. You going to be able to pop it open or you need me to? I need methadone. You need methadone?
00:28:24
Yeah. You get me that methadone or I don't have any. Do you have a medication for it or I mean a
00:28:29
prescription for it or what do you need methadone for? Cuz I'm a [ __ ] junkie and you guys I
00:28:37
can't make no meth. I'm going to go through withdrawal here in a minute. A can of soda is all Jeff requested
00:28:43
before he returned to the interrogation room. But he immediately mentions the withdrawals that he's likely already
00:28:49
starting to feel. However, methadone, the drug Jeff asked for at the start of this conversation, can be used to
00:28:56
significantly reduce the effects of the withdrawal. It can even reduce the cravings he's also probably been
00:29:01
experiencing for the entire time he's been in police custody. How long you been using heroin?
00:29:06
Long time, buddy. 10 years, 15 years. I hardly been alive that long. What are you trying to talk to me about here?
00:29:17
Talk to you about what happened last night. Look, here's the deal. Either you're in
00:29:22
a bad bad set of circumstances or you went and committed an armed robbery last night.
00:29:27
I'm in a shitty uh wrong place at wrong time. Obviously, I didn't commit no [ __ ] armed robbery.
00:29:32
All right, then let's talk about this. Let's Let's I don't talk to the police, man.
00:29:37
Jeff is clearly through with the personal talk and wants to get back to the matter at hand. In his eyes, he's
00:29:43
been arrested for something he didn't do and wants to get out of there as quickly
00:29:47
as possible. Okay. I've been through the system, buddy. I know. I know you have. I know you have.
00:29:52
You're not my friend. I'm not your friend. You're trying to [ __ ] get me. You're
00:29:56
trying to get All you're trying to get is some [ __ ] stupid ass [ __ ] confession. And you're not going to get
00:30:01
one, Jeff. I'm not going to get a confession out of you for nothing. Exactly. Because I didn't trying to get
00:30:05
a confession out of you. Okay. I'm going tell you, I ain't commit no armed robbery. And y'all ain't got no
00:30:11
[ __ ] evidence saying I did. Let me go. All you did is find me sitting in my buddy's house cuz my [ __ ] buddy's
00:30:17
dogs going ape [ __ ] I go outside. There are cops everywhere. And they spotlight
00:30:22
me. They say, "Come here." I say, "What's up?" They search me. I ain't find nothing. What's up?
00:30:29
Let me read this yet. Cuz I'm not going to sign it. You don't have to sign it, but let me
00:30:33
read it for you. Okay. I'm not signing nothing. You don't have to sign it. The irony of
00:30:38
this cop saying he's not trying to get Jeff while he has him handcuffed in an interrogation room questioning him is
00:30:44
very amusing. But even through all this, every part of what Jeff said here is so
00:30:50
perfect it almost sounds rehearsed. It's an incredible display of personal legal
00:30:55
defense and is even more impressive when you layer it with the fact that Jeff is
00:30:59
almost definitely starting to experience withdrawals. I also want to highlight the point Jeff made about how cops are
00:31:05
simply trying to force a confession out of him. One of the main techniques used in these interrogations is the Reed
00:31:11
technique developed by a former cop and psychologist in the 1960s after he extracted a confession from a man
00:31:18
accused of murdering his own wife. The technique consists of nine steps, beginning with a polite discussion about
00:31:24
why the suspect is being accused of the crime, followed by using certain body language and actions within the
00:31:30
interrogation as a display of guilt. The method ends with offering the suspect two alternative statements they can
00:31:37
agree with, one of which is slightly more acceptable than the other, but whichever is chosen admits guilt and is
00:31:45
counted as a confession. This method forces the suspect into a corner and is exceedingly good at extracting false
00:31:52
confessions from innocent suspects. In fact, the original case that technique was formed around fell apart after
00:32:00
discovering that the man in fact did not kill his wife and was tricked into giving a false confession. Absolutely
00:32:07
next level gaslighting. Tell me what happened last night. Plain and simple. Your your side of the story.
00:32:14
I'm not talking to you. I don't know where you All right. This is what I don't understand.
00:32:20
I know, but this is what I don't understand. Jeff, you were sitting there talking
00:32:25
just like you were ready to sit here and tell me what happened last night and then all of a sudden I read that to you
00:32:28
and you screw it. I ain't talking to you. I want a lawyer. I don't understand that. What What changed? Just in
00:32:33
cuz I told you what I already told you what happened. You didn't? How didn't I? You didn't tell me what happened last
00:32:39
night. How didn't I just tell you what happened? But now you've handcuffed me and I can't
00:32:43
talk to you because you asked for an attorney. So, okay, that's fine. But I will tell you right now, you're still on
00:32:48
a hold for a robbery. I know. I don't know why I need a [ __ ] lawyer because uh obviously I
00:32:55
didn't do nothing and obviously you guys know I didn't do nothing because I've been arrested for the same [ __ ]
00:33:02
before and you guys don't interview me this much. So, wham bam, thank you for the coke. Put me back in a cell. That's
00:33:09
my home. refuge. Yet Jeff has now asked for a lawyer and is once again refusing to answer questions,
00:33:16
but we're only halfway through this footage and Jeff's ability to defend himself and completely destroy this cop
00:33:22
only gets better from here. Here's where the deal is. I have enough evidence like what
00:33:27
of the armed robbery. Okay. But you know, if if you're saying you didn't do it, you need to give me your side of
00:33:36
the story. I didn't do it. Okay. Well, give me your side of the story. You got to I mean, convince me
00:33:42
because I got a lot of evidence. I got a lot of physical evidence. Well, like what?
00:33:47
Why don't we Why should I tell you that? This is where the detective starts to become desperate. He knows he's running
00:33:54
out of time and so has completely abandoned any elaborate techniques or methods to try and get information out
00:33:59
of him. He's now instead moved on to essentially just threatening him with false claims of evidence that he can
00:34:05
easily use to convict Jeff. If all of this was true, he'd likely be trying to use it to intimidate Jeff into panicking
00:34:12
and giving up more information. But instead, he uses a flimsy rhetoric, claiming that because Jeff hasn't helped
00:34:19
him, he won't help Jeff. There's only a couple pieces of evidence I'm missing. Name them.
00:34:25
What's that? Name? Why? Why don't you do that? You haven't helped me out at all. You
00:34:32
give me a little bit, I give you a little bit. We go back and forth. I give you one my piece of evidence. Now, give
00:34:37
me a little something. All right. What time you get over to Aaron's house? You know, I know anything I say here can
00:34:47
and will be used against me. Sure, but anything you say here, I can also tell your your parole officer you
00:34:53
help me out. That doesn't mean dick. Now, the detective is desperately trying to bargain with Jeff. If he helps the
00:35:00
cops out, they'll put in a good word with his parole officer. But Jeff immediately realizes that means
00:35:05
absolutely nothing. What does a gold star mean if you're stuck in prison for 20 years? This further enforces the idea
00:35:12
that cops have absolutely nothing to convict Jeff with and also shows that they know they're running out of time.
00:35:20
Jeff has asked for a lawyer, yet they're still sitting there questioning him, as
00:35:24
if that's not a blatant violation of the rights that they have read to Jeff on three separate occasions. They know that
00:35:30
if they don't get anything out of him soon, their time will run out. And Jeff is watching the clock closely. For the
00:35:37
next four minutes of the interrogation, Jeff continues to deny and combat anything the police say to him. They
00:35:43
bring up the gun that he was found with, continue to try and strike a deal and even try to scare him by taunting him
00:35:49
with what being back in prison would be like, and without any of the drugs he's grown a dependency to. But throughout
00:35:55
all of this, Jeff stays totally stonefaced. He knows he's almost won. I'm done, man. [ __ ] this. I'm not even
00:36:03
answering. All this [ __ ] that I just said is going to be [ __ ] written in the discovery now, right?
00:36:10
What? You haven't said nothing. I mean, every little stupid thing that you've asked me, dude, is going to be in
00:36:16
the discovery. I'm not even going to do discovery. Who the prosecutor is? Okay. So you I mean you you halfway know the
00:36:26
system, how things work, you halfway don't. Am I right? I half ass know that the only reason I
00:36:32
came up here is to get a [ __ ] Coke. Okay. And I got it. But now with a butterf
00:36:37
figure, that's not going to happen for a while. What? The butterfinger? Yeah. Why not?
00:36:45
[Music] I need to go to the hospital. I'm pumping up blood. Let's go to the hospital.
00:36:57
For the last few hours, the police have been questioning a man who is clearly in
00:37:01
pain, denying him access to the legal prescription drug that would help him deal with his issues, and questioning
00:37:07
him repeatedly on a crime for which they have no evidence for. All the while, Jeff dealt with this as casually as
00:37:14
possible, asking for sodas and chocolate bars. Jeff knew misspeaking at any point
00:37:19
could lead him down a slippery slope. So, he exerted his rights in the perfect way. And 12 hours later, it's recorded
00:37:26
that he was released from custody and sent on his merry way. It's also reported that from here, Jeff began to
00:37:32
turn his life around. He's off heroin and now spends his time uploading to the same YouTube channel the footage from
00:37:38
this video was uploaded to. He makes music and even gives extra tips on how to avoid the police tricks. But what
00:37:44
happens when the suspects think they're smarter than the detective, but get quickly put in their place? Well, that's
00:37:52
exactly what happened to David Wright on the 17th of February, 2019, when he and
00:37:57
his friend Christopher headed to a drug deal at 3:40 a.m. But this was no ordinary drug deal. It was actually a
00:38:05
setup for a robbery on both sides. David demanded his buyers hand over their belongings, to which they responded by
00:38:12
pepper spraying Chris and running. Seconds later, David drew a revolver from his waist and fired a single shot
00:38:19
into Raul Cuadros's chest, killing him instantly. David and Chris fled the scene and buried the revolver in a field
00:38:26
and went about their nights confident there was no way they could be caught. But unfortunately, they were almost
00:38:32
immediately identified through multiple cameras around the area everything went down in. David was brought in two days
00:38:39
later, but still believed the cops would never find him guilty and that his extraordinary intellect would carry him
00:38:45
through the case. How wrong he was. So, like I said, I mean, it's already been in the media. He four people have
00:38:52
been arrested. It's not like we don't know what happened to some extent, you know, but there's always more that we
00:38:59
don't know from every single party, right? Everybody has a little piece of the puzzle. We don't necessarily get the
00:39:05
truth from everybody. So, I would like to hear from you what happens. Well, I have no clue because I I'm just
00:39:13
now hearing about this. So, I mean, the whole I don't know what you're talking about is kind of out the
00:39:19
door at this point. I got several people who have already identified you. You're
00:39:23
identified on video. So, it's not a question of that you were there. It's more a question of what led up to this.
00:39:30
So, I don't think this is what was actually supposed to happen, right? So, you're just going to play that that
00:39:36
you have no idea what happened cuz you weren't there? I was not. No. Not only was David identified by
00:39:43
multiple people through CCTV footage, but he also had no alibi and Facebook messages were recovered discussing
00:39:50
details of the alleged drug deal. David was there at the time of the murder. The
00:39:55
detective is just trying to uncover the details of exactly what happened and why. But David is having none of it and
00:40:02
has a plan to outplay the detectives. It's not helpful to you really to just be quiet and not say anything. Cuz what
00:40:09
I have are people who are looking out for themselves because they don't want to catch charge. So they're going to
00:40:14
dime you off. They're not looking out for you. So you believe somebody that's going to
00:40:19
tell you that somebody else did something to save their own ass? Well, with all the additional evidence,
00:40:24
yes. I've been out of jail for all of a week and a half. I've spent almost every
00:40:28
minute of it with my girlfriend. As for did I plan to kill anybody? Did I kill anybody? No, I didn't.
00:40:34
So, when I look at the GPS on your phone, it's not going to tell me that. It's going to tell me that you were with
00:40:39
your girlfriend the whole time that you never were were over at Jack in the Box.
00:40:43
It should. The only reason you might tell me that is cuz maybe you didn't take your phone
00:40:48
or maybe somebody else had my phone. It's been known to happen quite often. Actually,
00:40:53
my phone has been I left it in one person's car and it took me a day and a half to get it back.
00:40:58
When was that? Uh, that was earlier in the week. And then I let somebody use my phone. They
00:41:04
were supposed to just go to 7-Eleven to go meet somebody that was selling something to on Offer Up.
00:41:09
Mhm. And they had apparently seven or eight things that they had to do between then
00:41:14
and when they got back to the house. So, what day was that? I don't remember. And who was that?
00:41:21
That was a guy that goes by Memphis. It's a nickname, I think, is uh first name is Joe, black guy.
00:41:28
David's only current alibi and defense is that maybe somebody else had his phone and was at the drug deal instead.
00:41:35
He also backs up his story by saying he doesn't remember exactly which day everything occurred on, something that
00:41:42
can't directly be proven or disproven. However, for this to be true, that person with his phone would also have to
00:41:50
dress exactly the same as David, have access to his Facebook account, and according to his own description of the
00:41:57
perp, change the color of his skin. It's not looking too likely. You know why you're here and what's
00:42:04
going on. I mean, at this point, you're literally the last person we've talked to, and the only person that has an
00:42:10
allegiance to you is Chris. I mean, obviously people are not going to be shy about telling us who was there and who
00:42:17
did what. And plus, we have video. There's video at the Chevron. There's video at the Shell.
00:42:24
You know that we have all your co-uspects under arrest. All I want from you is a reason. I
00:42:30
understand what happened. I just need to know why. The only person I know you have under
00:42:34
arrest is Chris. Okay. We have Cody under arrest. And we have Tana Hill. What's his name? Ray.
00:42:42
He's in custody as well. We have his car, the car that was used, the car that was at Chevron in our impound.
00:42:51
They are all under arrest. Chris is under arrest because we viewed messages on the phones that organized picking you
00:42:59
up. Those same messages from you to Cody, we have them on their phone. We've already viewed them. We have the
00:43:08
Facebook communications between Chris and Briana setting up the deal that happened where you guys showed up at the
00:43:16
Chevron and walked down. This is how this plays out. Your girlfriend's going to be dumb enough to provide you an
00:43:21
alibi on a murder charge and then she's going to get roped up in a murder as an accessory.
00:43:27
If you care about that person, you have just set her up for failure. And if you want your girlfriend jammed up cuz you
00:43:33
just set her up for it, then that's your choice. You know, you can't threaten me
00:43:39
with jamming her up. It's not a threat, man. I'm just telling you how it plays out. Like, I'm going to
00:43:44
go talk to her and she's going to be dumb enough to lie for you when I got video evidence that she you weren't with
00:43:49
her. Like, dude, I get it. Like, you had a quick come up, right? I I get it. I don't I don't think you were a stone
00:43:57
cold killer. I don't like if you accidentally shot the dude cuz you flinched or you got scared because of
00:44:04
something he did, now is the time. If you come up with that stuff later, nobody is going to believe a word you
00:44:09
say. How the would somebody accidentally shoot somebody? Cuz if your finger's on the trigger,
00:44:14
it's called a sympathetic reflex. It happens to police officers all the time. I think that's a term that's been come
00:44:20
up with just to cover their asses for shooting people. Well, you can try to make it about that.
00:44:24
I'm talking about you. I wouldn't know. Never shot anybody. There is a lot of merit for staying
00:44:31
silent in an interrogation like this. In fact, in most cases, it's usually the best course of action, coupled with
00:44:38
asking for a lawyer as soon as possible. But here, David is trying to outright deny any association with the case, even
00:44:47
though he's been directly linked to it through multiple sources. All he's doing now is making it worse on himself and
00:44:54
those around him. But his ego is telling him otherwise. Where do I go from here? And you're the
00:45:00
police officer. Reverse roles. You're you're the cop. You're sitting over here trying to figure out if this dude has
00:45:06
any remorse for what he did or if he's just worried about getting in trouble. How would you proceed?
00:45:11
I'm not worried about getting in trouble. I didn't do [ __ ] I'll just be upfront with you. We got
00:45:15
Cody's phone. The one that shows your phone number and your address and the communications between you two. Like, I
00:45:22
have it. Like, I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just laying it out for you because
00:45:26
I met up with somebody doesn't mean that I went with them to go do something. This seemingly plain statement actually
00:45:32
carries more weight to it than you might realize. The detective presented David with a piece of concrete evidence that
00:45:38
he's saying puts him dead to rights. To which he responds by confirming he had indeed met with Cody, but it went no
00:45:46
further than that. Again, it seems like nothing. But now that detectives know this tactic works on David, they can
00:45:53
attempt to use the wealth of other evidence they have to slowly extract a full confession from him.
00:46:00
Okay. So, when did you meet up with them? 1 2:00 in the morning, something like that.
00:46:08
On what day? Maybe Saturday or Sunday. Okay. Where did you meet up? Uh over by my house.
00:46:16
Okay. And who was with him? Dad, I don't know. Was he alone? When I met up with him, yes.
00:46:23
So, why did you meet up with the dude that you didn't know? Because my friend Chris had asked me to.
00:46:29
Okay. And so, what happened after that? Well, he had tried to proposition me for
00:46:36
a handgun. Mhm. And I told him I didn't have one. Okay. So, and you say, "Why?" No. So you guys meet up. You have this
00:46:46
conversation. Then what happens? He leaves. And how did he leave? Well, I walked back to my house and he
00:46:53
walked back to whatever vehicle he was in. Okay. Why did you leave that out when we
00:46:58
first started talking? You think that might be important that the guy under arrest for murder came to your house
00:47:03
looking for a gun? Well, if I had given him a gun, then I think that that would be important.
00:47:08
Well, it shows his intent. I mean, of course, it's relevant to the case, right? People buy guns for all sorts of
00:47:13
reasons, man. Yeah, but in this instance, there was a murder. So, they went on their way. Just
00:47:22
the Cody dude. And did you actually talk to the other guy in the car? How does he
00:47:26
know who you are then? Maybe my name was mentioned when they were coming to meet me.
00:47:32
But he didn't see you. Unless he seen me when he was parked. But you didn't see the car.
00:47:39
I didn't look for the car. Unless I'm coming to meet somebody at their vehicle, I don't ask what vehicle
00:47:44
they're in. Well, that's not and again, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to
00:47:49
insult you, but that's not very smart. Meeting somebody to sell guns and you're not going to watch around you to see
00:47:56
where they come and go. Not very smart. He was referring to me by somebody that I trust.
00:48:00
Okay. I would still be on my six. So, you clearly have, you know, distrust of the police.
00:48:09
Is that fair to say? I distrust almost everybody. Being honest with you about the
00:48:16
information that we have, trying to give you an opportunity. And I I I mean, you've already said flat out you don't
00:48:23
believe that that he has that information. But I mean, with everything he's told you, you have to know that
00:48:28
what he's telling you is true. Well, whatever you have, you've got from people that may not necessarily be
00:48:35
giving you information for the best of reasons. So take the people out of this. Take them out. Who cares about the
00:48:42
people? We got other stuff, communications and all those types of things, the video. So it's not just that
00:48:49
people are telling us this. We're not relying 100% on people. If we did that, we'd be stupid, right? I like to think
00:48:54
I'm not that dumb. You take a totality of everything that we have. We know you're involved. And for you to
00:49:03
sit here and just say that you you don't have anything to do with it doesn't make
00:49:06
any sense. I think that you guys have me confused with somebody else. This interview has now been going on for
00:49:14
over 40 minutes and almost no progress has been made. Forcing him into a corner with evidence doesn't seem to be working
00:49:21
and neither does running through the events of the night or even explaining why what he's doing is a bad idea for
00:49:28
him. So instead, the detectives almost completely switch up and begin to threaten him with the consequences of
00:49:35
his actions on his own friends. Dude, you're not this guy. You know you're not this guy. If you were, this
00:49:43
conversation would be different. Yeah, I'm obviously not this guy. I meant I meant the dick that is letting
00:49:50
everybody else go down for him. I meant that type of guy. That's not you. You have a reputation as being a standup
00:49:57
dude. I think that whatever those guys did, if it leads to you believing that they were
00:50:02
accompllices and accessories and everything like that, yeah, would be their own fault if they [ __ ]
00:50:08
hang for it. Really? Even though hypothetically you're the person who pulled the
00:50:14
trigger. So even though somebody else pulls the trigger, you're good with those guys going down. Your homie Chris,
00:50:20
you're good with him going down. And I get it. You don't have any allegiance to these other two dudes. I understand
00:50:25
that. So, you're good with Chris going down, getting 20 years off of what you did. You're good with that?
00:50:33
If you guys have him orchestrating and setting up something like this, then that's insulting.
00:50:39
It's his own fault that you shot somebody. It's his own fault that you didn't do things the right way. That's
00:50:44
his fault. I ain't shooting nobody. He should put himself around better people. Okay.
00:50:53
You know he's going to read this, right? I mean, he's going to have disclosure. It's fine. I'd much rather not see my
00:51:01
friend get in trouble. But if by you saying that, you guys want me to tell you that I did something that I didn't
00:51:08
do. Fair enough. I don't want you to tell me that you did something you didn't do.
00:51:13
That's not what I want. I want you to admit to what you did do. Cuz it's not even a question that you did.
00:51:18
If it wasn't a question, you wouldn't be sitting here trying to get me to admit to something I didn't do.
00:51:22
I would because it's the right thing to do. You may not trust the police, but I don't want to jam up all these other
00:51:29
dudes on a murder one charge for something you did, cuz it's not right in my mind that other people go down for
00:51:35
something that serious off of what somebody else did. So, I do care about that. That's why I'm talking to you.
00:51:43
Well, you're talking to the wrong guy. You don't care about those dudes. I'm not saying I don't care about him. I'm
00:51:51
saying that you're talking to the wrong guy because I didn't do [ __ ] That's not
00:51:55
And I think that that's not what innocent people say. Innocent people that actually give a
00:52:01
Yeah. No, I you know how many people I've had in that chair, man? Thousands. I don't You don't give a You don't give
00:52:07
a That's you. Like Enjoy your time. I don't care then. I don't I don't have any uh hard feelings for you. I'm just
00:52:14
going to move on to my next case. I just want you to know this isn't about you. This isn't personal. Like you can say
00:52:18
you don't care, but I actually think you do. I think you're being So with that said, so you agree that uh
00:52:25
there's nothing more to say, right? If you don't want to talk to me, there isn't.
00:52:29
Well, I don't want to talk to somebody that's going to keep on calling me a liar.
00:52:32
I have yet to call you a liar. You've made the implication that I'm lying to you.
00:52:36
Cuz you are. But there's a difference between calling someone a liar and then pointing out inaccuracies in their
00:52:41
story. There's a big difference. One is disrespectful. The other is not. Have I been disrespectful to you? Have I
00:52:47
been disrespectful to you? Have I insulted you or or come at you hard or done anything on the
00:52:51
You called me a liar. Yes, you did. You were lying. I'm not lying. Do you not freely admit that you lied to
00:52:58
me in this interview? Where did I lie to you? About meeting up with Cody, about being
00:53:04
home, not going out at all, and then now you periodically are going out. Would you not concede that both of those
00:53:10
things were lies? I don't go farther than a couple blocks from my house on foot to meet somebody very quickly and
00:53:17
come back. Okay. That's not what you told me. You don't leave your house. I don't leave my house. I was home all
00:53:24
weekend with my girlfriend. It's on tape, man. There ain't no secret. Like, dude, I've got to walk my dog. Of
00:53:28
course, I leave the house periodic. Okay. But as for did I go anywhere? So, you were never at Casino in Evergreen
00:53:38
anywhere near there within three or four blocks Saturday night. I just want wanted to make sure that we have this
00:53:44
down. Let's see. Sunday morning. How far is the Starbucks on Evergreen? Which Starbucks?
00:53:51
One on 75th. Yeah. No, I'm not talking about that. Okay. Yep. Then No, I wasn't.
00:53:57
Okay. So, you're at the Starbucks on 75th earlier in the evening. Yeah. like 8 or
00:54:02
9:00, something like that. Well, that's not home. Did you lie to me? I don't even get a smile out of that
00:54:08
one. I didn't I didn't get you on that one. I feel like I got you on there. Blatantly caught in a lie. It might not
00:54:15
seem like it yet, but David is starting to get uncomfortable. If it's not been obvious throughout the whole video, the
00:54:22
only thing he cares about is his own ego. So now that that's been damaged, he's immediately on the back foot. And
00:54:29
it's up to the detective to keep pushing and try to get him to move just that little bit further.
00:54:35
Were you with somebody? Yeah. Who? Another woman. Who was that? Not going to tell you that because she'd
00:54:43
be very upset. Yeah, but it's a homicide. They can help prove that you weren't involved.
00:54:48
How? Cuz if you're with her, right, that that gets my timeline tighter. So you were
00:54:55
with her from 8 to when? Not very long. So you half hour at most. So you don't want to tell me who that
00:55:02
is? I really don't. Okay. Were you in a car? You're on foot? I rode my bicycle. So 75th. Then how'd you get home?
00:55:14
I got a ride from her with my bicycle in the back of her SUV. So there was a car. Did I get you there?
00:55:21
Feel like I got you there, too. I'm just looking for honesty, man. I mean, at this point, I'm I feel
00:55:27
comfortable that you have lied to me several times. I'm looking for honesty so that I can rule you out.
00:55:32
If you ask where I was Saturday night, Sunday morning. I did. Yeah. So, Sunday morning,
00:55:39
late Saturday night. Yeah. Doesn't cover 8 or 9:00 in the evening. Oh, okay. So, then let's rewind. So,
00:55:48
Saturday morning to 8:00, where were you most of the time? I don't. Can you just lay it out for me? Why do I
00:55:56
got to like pull it out of you? Like just I'm asking where you were, man, so I can rule you out.
00:56:00
For the first time in an hour, he's been sat in the interrogation room. David moves his hand from his lap and adjusts
00:56:06
his cap. His hands have also been moving around very slightly, and he's been stuttering over his words. His ego has
00:56:13
been properly bruised, and he's starting to get very uncomfortable. If provoked,
00:56:18
narcissists such as David are likely to suddenly snap in an instinctive effort to prove that they are smart and in
00:56:24
control, but often give up all the information the cops need to catch them dead to rights. So, the detective keeps
00:56:30
up his nononsense direct questions to try and get them to crack. The only places
00:56:37
that I go usually could go to 7-Eleven, correct? the Little Asian market if you know we need tubes and tobacco for
00:56:46
rolling cigarettes, but that's not very often. Okay. Walgreens. Yeah. What Saturday did you go to those
00:56:53
places? I don't need to know where you generally go. I need to know where you went Saturday.
00:56:56
I probably went to 7-Eleven at some point. Any idea what time? I go when I need something or want
00:57:02
something. I understand, but that's why I'm asking. Like anytime. Do you remember wanting or
00:57:07
needing something on Saturday? No, I don't. because I don't feel like I need to track
00:57:15
every one of my movements and [ __ ] like that because I don't need to have a lock
00:57:20
tight schedule of what I'm doing, where I'm going. As long as I'm at DOC on Thursdays between 1 and 3 and I make my
00:57:26
appointments with ideal options, then doesn't seem like a big deal to me where I go.
00:57:31
Okay. Unless you're being charged with murder, and it kind of is a big deal, right?
00:57:35
Yeah. But if I don't pay attention to and keep track of these things, how the [ __ ] am I going to tell you where I was
00:57:40
without lying to you then? Because I don't know exactly when I was there. Well, you could at least try.
00:57:47
Yeah. Yeah, I would try. If it can rule you out as a suspect in a homicide, I would try.
00:57:52
Yeah. Well, where I was Saturday during the day has no bearing on where I was Saturday night, Sunday morning.
00:58:02
It does. Absolutely it does. Cuz I can show you're wearing different clothes or I can show you're wearing the same
00:58:08
clothes, right? That's pretty important. Do you agree? I can show that you were with somebody else and not with these
00:58:15
people. People change their clothes. People meet other people. Oh, no. No question.
00:58:21
But if I'm chipping away at that timeline, right, it can be exculpatory for you, meaning
00:58:29
that it excludes you as a suspect. I know my vernacular is very good. Sweet. So, you don't have to explain your words
00:58:36
to me. Look, dude, you can act like you're uh upset about that. You're not. So, move past
00:58:41
it. The fact that you're talking to me like I'm a child to you like a child. What did I How did I talk to you like a
00:58:48
child? Tell me when. I think you have to explain a word that you're using to me.
00:58:53
Most people don't know what that word means. I apologize. Most people areing idiots.
00:58:56
Okay, you can pretend you're getting upset about it, but you're really not. No, I'm getting upset if you call me a
00:59:01
liar about cuz you lied. You lied. And I don't actually think I called you a liar. I did say you lied, but I don't
00:59:06
think I actually called you a liar. So, I'll call it to you now so we can just move past it. You are a liar. You have
00:59:13
lied. Do you want to tell me what happened or not? Couldn't tell you cuz I don't know.
00:59:18
Fair enough. We'll end up close the tape out for you, right? Man, should have done that a long time ago
00:59:24
when I said the conversation was over. Oh, okay. Whatever you say, partner. And so it seems the conversation truly was
00:59:33
over as from then on David refused to even say another word, choosing not to exercise his perfect vernacular anymore.
00:59:42
And predictably he didn't last long in court. Given that he made no attempt to defend himself or cooperate with
00:59:48
detectives, he was faced with the maximum possible sentence. David was also already a convicted felon with
00:59:55
charges of arson, burglary, vehicle theft, and 35 other misdemeanors dating all the way back to 1999.
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So, in October of 2020, 33-year-old David Wright was sentenced to 40 years in prison without the possibility of
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parole.