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Criminals who get stopped by police can often use many violent methods to try and escape. But what happens when
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suspects try to seduce and flirt with cops to avoid a jail sentence? I'll take everything. Oh, please don't
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charge your I want to go to jail. Please sir. Starting with Naomi Furer. In the early
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hours of the 30th of October, this cop observed a vehicle driving suspiciously in Florida. At a red light, it was
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almost completely over the stop line and its plates were expired. However, when he went to pull the driver over, things
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took a turn he wasn't expecting whatsoever. Your fake cut had scared me when I walked up. Forgot tomorrow's Halloween.
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I'm like, "Oh, I know, right?" So, reason I got stopped, a few things. When you're sitting at the light back
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here to make the left, you're all the way out in the intersection. Oh, okay. Like you were past the crosswalk. You
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were you were on Toledo Blade for making the left. Is the car registered to you?
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Yes, sir. Okay. The tags on the car expired back in March. Um, and your license is
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suspended. The cop should already be suspicious of the girl he identified as Naomi Furer given her strange driving.
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But the more he talked to her, the more it seemed that she definitely shouldn't have been driving. She told the cop she
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just come from a Halloween party and had a wristband that was given out by a bar
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in the local area. The cop is now certain she's over the limit, so he asks her to step out so she can perform some
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tests. But things immediately start to seem different to his usual stops. Your eyes are bloodshot and flossing.
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speech is slightly I'm just very tired that's all there's al coming up again okay check
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your eyes do a couple exercise okay with that keep your head straight just look back
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and forth okay you're going to take nine heel to toe steps one like that 13 14 15
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Do you think if I give you a number to start on you can count backwards to Yes, sir.
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Okay. I want you to start on the number 46 and count backwards to the number 29.
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39 38 37 36. Can you remember what number I told you to start? Top one. You said start at 38 and then start at
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49 and I forgot the second one. Okay. Unfortunately for Naomi, the cop wasn't convinced and determined that she was
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way over the legal limit. But right after he put her in cuffs, she decides she has a plan to get out of this mess.
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Do me a favor. Put your hands behind your back. Put your palms together like you're praying.
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You're under arrest for DUI. DUI. But I am not drunk. Get everything that you asked me to. Right. Sir, I can't
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have a DUI. Please. Sir, I'm from Switzerland. I can't have a DUI. Please. I don't want to get a white thing.
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I understand. I won't do dental. Please, sir. I literally stopped. You're not even You're not You're not
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even supposed to be driving in the first place. You have five different suspensions on your license. You have an
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insurance suspension and three fail to pay traffic tickets. Things are obviously not looking good
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for Naomi. So, when begging doesn't get her her way, she switches her strategy to a more seductive method.
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Are you sure? It's out of my hands tonight. But you're the one arresting you? Yes, I am the one arresting you. But the
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decision to make the arrest is already out of my hands. So, let's walk back. Why?
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Cuz everything we've done tonight is on video. Everything. I have a camera here.
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I have But you can still make your decision about who why you're going to arrest me
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for what. Do you have a pair of shorts or something in here that we can put on to
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cover you up a little bit? Jersey that owner. I'll take everything off. Please don't
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charge me, but I don't want to go to jail. Please, sir. I don't want you to take everything off.
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I promise I'll have somebody pick me up and drive me home. I promise. I'm going to show you a little bit of
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decency and cover you up. You don't you don't want to go into jail looking like that. Thankfully, the cops ignore
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her offer and instead opt to cover her up with a hoodie before they take her back to jail.
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Please, can you help me? You can accept please. We are past that. I need you to sit in
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the car. What would I have to do? Nothing. The only thing that you could do to not go to jail tonight is not
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drive drunk. So, but I wasn't driving drunk at all. Okay. Please have a seat. There's nothing I can do, sir.
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No, ma'am. Even if somebody picks me up. We're We're past that. A search of Naomi's vehicle recovered
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two containers of whiskey and a beer. But back at the station, she refused to give a breath sample. Her car was
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seized, but as of this video's upload, the case is still ongoing, and she has not been charged. Naomi's attempt at
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flirting didn't work at all with these cops. But the same can't be said about Brooke Teague's encounter, which
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actually worked out well. So, well, it's rumored that her and the cop are still together to this day. Brooke was pulled
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over after an officer witnessed her swerving around the road slightly, a telltale sign that the driver was either
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intoxicated or in need of help. So, he swiftly pulled her over only to be greeted in a surprising way.
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Hey, I'm Officer Smith. May go please spark. Nice to meet you, Mr. Smith. Um, I've never heard that before. I'm trying
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to stop. I appreciate that. Um, hey, so I'm just stopping you for improper lane use.
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Sorry, I was on the phone. You're on the phone? I'll be honest. Okay. Who are you on the phone with?
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My baby daddy. I'll show it to you, too. Okay, Zachary. Yeah. How much you have to drink tonight?
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Only one drink. Just one drink. Final answer. Miller. A Miller lie. Yes. I won't lie to you. A Miller Light.
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That's That's all you've had. Yes, sir. You can ask Zachary. I don't really want to talk about that.
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I know you don't, but I'm just saying. Okay. In just this first minute of conversation, two things become clear
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immediately. Brooke has definitely had more than one beer to drink, and how well she and the officer seem to be
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getting along already. Both points that will get increasingly more obvious as the footage continues.
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Yeah, I can smell it from across the car. She's like, I had one Miller light. There's no I wanted to say like a Miller
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did that to you. Big Miller. 128 O Miller. Freaking bucket of Miller. All right.
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Where we at on it? Awesome. Brooke. Yes. Teague. Am I saying that right? Teague.
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Yes. Like baseball league. Teague. Like baseball league. Yep. It helps people spell it cuz they
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never spell it correctly. Brooke. then gets taken out for some sobriety tests, which take much longer
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than anticipated. You're making me giggle. I'm sorry. He makes me giggle, too. It's okay.
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Okay. I snort. I'm from Huntsville. We're supposed to be I'm from Huntsville. Isn't going to make
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me snort. All right, stop laughing cuz you're making me laugh. I'm not seriously I'm giggling. I'm
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sorry. This is a serious deal. All right. Okay. You're smiling. I can't help it.
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All right. Stop. Okay. I'm sorry. Unfortunately, despite all the jokes, Brooke failed all the sobriety tests and
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was put under arrest. How much you've actually had a drink? I've had two Millers.
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Two Millers. Now that's it. Yes, sir. You can call Mitchell, the manager. Okay. Well, hey, go ahead and put your
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hands on your back for me. Okay. Good job. After a search of her car, which turned
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up nothing but a loose car seat, she was driven back to the police station where
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the sparks continued to fly. I'm with you. Let's go over here. Oh my god. Is there a dog?
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There is a dog. Where? He's over there. Over here. His name is Coach. Kolk? That's my dog.
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Is that your dog? What's his name? His name is Coach. Coach? I have three dogs in here. Great
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day in the master. Wow. Can I put high school down with you? I think so. Where'd you go to high school?
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Yeah. Not many. Where'd you go? Indiana. Brazo, Indiana. Where in Indiana? Verzo.
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I was raised from Bloomfield. Really? Yeah. Note that despite the obvious chemistry,
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both Brooke and the officer have remained professional and are continuing to move on with the investigation. The
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officer had Brooke take a blood alcohol test where she blew 14%. A number that pales in comparison to that of the next
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girl who was not only extremely intoxicated but also acted very inappropriately with the cops.
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I'm dead, bro. Check me. I don't care. I like men. Come on, just search me. A 19-year-old girl was seen weaving
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between lanes and throwing unknown items out of the window. Officers immediately
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thought this was suspicious and pulled her over for a chat. Hey, how's it going?
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Hi. Sorry. What's that? You said you were coming from Dancers. The driver states that she's a stripper
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at a bar called Dancers and that she was texting her boyfriend who was home with
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her kids. However, the officers noticed something off about the driver. Her speech was slightly slurred and her eyes
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were glazed over. There's a good chance this girl's been drinking. What What time did you get off at
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dancers? 11. 11. It's an hour and a half away. You got off at 11:00. It's 10:23 right now.
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Really? Oh. Did you have anything to drink while you No, I'm 19. You're 19? I cannot drink at the strip of nothing.
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Nothing? No. Are you sure? Don't get on my eyelashes, bro. The light will hurt your eyelashes.
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No, but they not from the lights. Despite the girl's claims, the officers are fairly sure
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she's had at least something to drink last night, especially when she seems to forget the time completely. So, they ask
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her to step out of the vehicle and perform a few sobriety tests. Well, hold on. This is We're going to
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start. I'm cold. We're going to start right here. All right. Do you wear any Do you wear any
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glasses or contacts? I do. You do? Are you wearing contacts right now? No. No. I'm going to walk in a straight line and
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I'll be good. Well, that's that's not even I haven't even told you the exercise that I'm doing yet. So, you got
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to I'm cold. Okay. I mean, just give me 10 minutes of your time. Okay. Okay. Fine. Straight line. What are you doing?
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Cop. Hold on. I didn't tell you that's what we're going to do yet. I know, but I don't have the places.
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Despite her enthusiasm to begin the tests, she doesn't exactly pass them with flying colors. And after losing her
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balance on the final test, she's placed under arrest by the officers. But that's
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not where the story ends for her. On the way back to the patrol vehicle, she mentions that there are in fact weapons
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in her car and her behavior starts to change drastically. Y'all can check me. I don't care if
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y'all are male, bro. We got We got plenty of uh female officers around here. I'm good, bro. Check me. I don't care.
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I'm giving authorization to you. I'm not going to search you. Why not? I give you authorization, too.
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Oh, I'm not going to do that. Well, I like men. Come on. Just search me. While the cops maintained that they
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couldn't search her, they did take the time to search her vehicle. Inside, they found multiple guns, a large stack of
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cash, though it was decided this was likely just tips from the bar. However, she was still charged with DUI and
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sentenced to 9 months probation despite also being underage. It was fairly difficult for the cops to judge if this
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girl was drunk or not. However, this next girl didn't show the same amount of class. Instead, resorting to manipulate
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and trick the cop into letting her go. Hello. How you doing? Also hot in New Mexico State Police. Um
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for the stop, you're going 55 back there on on uh MLK. Bad. Yeah, 55. I was right behind you the
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whole time and you just honestly booked it. I've had a I had a bad night. The girls
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that I thought that were my friends are not my friends. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Where are
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you coming from? Knockouts. Knockouts. This girl doesn't seem to be having the best night, but that still doesn't
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explain why she was driving 25 mph over the speed limit on a residential road. She also mentions that she came from a
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place called Knockouts, a gentleman's club that could explain the sparkly outfit and why she was driving so
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erratically. Okay, you have your license. Like you going to tell me your bike class and then do some [ __ ]
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Yeah. I have my registration. I have Do you have a jacket or something that you could put on?
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What? Do you have a jacket or anything? A jacket? Yeah, I can in the car. No. Why?
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Cuz I'm going to ask you to step out that way. We could talk out here. I don't have anything.
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The girl seems to be upset about a disagreement with her friends back at the bar, but this officer isn't buying
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it. There's many examples of suspects pretending to be sad or distressed during a traffic stop to try and get
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sympathy from the cops and walk away with a lighter sentence. This can work in some circumstances, but it doesn't
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excuse driving at almost twice the speed limit. But this doesn't stop the girl from trying after she steps out of the
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car. Okay. Here's my registration and I can give you my progressive. Um, it just sucks.
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Like, yeah, a [ __ ] tells me that she's my friend and she's not. Okay. All right. All right, let's go
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back over here. I'm moving next weekend and my friend said that she's my friend, but she's
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not. Yeah. Can you stand up straight? Yeah. All right. So, how much alcohol you consumed?
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No, I haven't. Nothing. I smoke weed. I have my my medical um card if you want to see it.
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I have that, but I'm in I've been smoking because I'm mad. Yeah, you're mad. You know what I mean? Like
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the fragrance. Here, just just try to calm down a little bit. So you're gonna you say that
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you haven't consumed no alcohol? Just be honest with me alcohol worked out knockouts. Honestly, the way I feel
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until the girl she are available for that behind my back and [ __ ] You know what I
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mean? No matter how hard the cop tries to keep the girl on topic, she keeps breaking
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down and talking about her friendship issues. After some more pressing by the officer, she admits to smoking marijuana
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and alcohol back at the club, but she keeps trying to excuse it by saying she's having a rough night. and that's
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her way of dealing with it. Unfortunately for her though, the officer needs her to focus, which she
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seems to be having a tough time doing throughout the sobriety tests. All right, just wait right here. I'm
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going to move my unit back just just a little bit. And uh I got two more tests to administer. You feel okay walking in
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those shoes? I mean, I'm just [ __ ] upset. That's it. You're just upset? I'm just [ __ ] upset. I was like
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So, Miss M Ramos, my my main concern is just that you're safe to drive. Okay. Obviously, you're
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No, I truly get it. traveling at a high rate of speed up. Three kids. Okay. My baby daddy just died.
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I'm sorry to hear that. My best friend just said that it's just a lot. One, two.
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One, two. Unfortunately for the girl though, complaining to the officer didn't seem
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to sober her up at all, and she failed all three of her sobriety tests. So, all that was left was for her to be
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arrested. A fitting end for what appeared to be a pretty rough night for her. All right. So, at this point, you're
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going to be placed under arrest for DWI driving while influence intoxicating liquor and or drugs. Just face me real
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quick. What's in your mouth? Nothing. Open it. Lift up your tongue. All right. So, on my watch, 0213. Okay.
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But Kelly Barton made it a little easier for the cops. Not only was she seen crashing into a lamp post while
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transporting a special needs patient, but when police arrived, she was looking a little worse for wear.
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Kelly. Yes. How are you doing? Good. Kelly admits that she had too much to drink that evening, but doesn't admit to
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driving despite it being her job. Unfortunately for her though, security camera footage from the gas station
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proves that she was in fact behind the wheel and is now facing charges of both DUI and neglect due to the
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responsibility she carried while driving with the patient. But as an ambulance pulls up to perform some tests on her,
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Kelly reveals that she has another trick up her sleeve and begins repeatedly flirting with all of the officers at the
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scene. Look at your hands. Do you want the lights to check you, ma'am? Let them do what they got to do. Come
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on, boys. I want the little young boys ask me how I'm feeling. Let the little young boys
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tell me. Let me tell you something. What I would do to you with your blue eyes. Let me check your question.
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Look at him. Okay. I would do him in a way that he won't admit that. Hey, look, he can look
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tough all he want, right? Don't let me get it. After multiple tests, it's clear to the
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officers that Kelly was way over the legal limits and is arrested for driving while intoxicated. And after struggling
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to get her into the police vehicle, she's sent on her way to the police station. But if you think Kelly was bold
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for talking to cops like that, 18-year-old Skyler Flus is on a completely different level. Going so far
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as to post this video to thousands of people bragging about how she got away with a DUI.
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I got out of a DUI and got let off with a warning. Skyler was pulled over after an officer
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saw her weaving around the road in a way that suggested she might not have been completely sober. But according to her
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video, she claims that using her flirtatious and quick wits, she managed to trick the officer and get away with a
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warning. I blew a 3.8 and he let me off with a warning and gave me his number and said
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we should meet for coffee or lunch. He was hot, so I'm getting lunch with him tomorrow.
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If her story is true, then the officer would be in serious trouble. But luckily, the officer in question
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recorded the entire interaction on his body cam, and the video tells a completely different story. Hello. Hi,
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my name's Deputy St. I'm in the Jer County Sheriff's Office. I pulled you over cuz you were weaving a little bit
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back there. Where are you coming from? Um, I was coming from my friend's house. I actually just got dumped.
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Okay. So, I was like crying and like I'm really Were you on your phone and stuff,
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too? I was trying to call him to get a hold of him because my heart hurts. Well, I'm just concerned that you were
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weaving because of alcohol, but if you're on your phone, have you been drinking or anything tonight? No. Okay.
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The deputy then does give Skyler a card with the sheriff's department's information on it, but it didn't include
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his personal number and it didn't come with an invitation to dinner. Sounds like you're having a rough night,
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so I'm not going to add to that by writing you a ticket or anything. Okay? So, I'm just going to give you a
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warning. It's not a big deal. I just want to make sure you're okay. You're weaving a little bit and I just want to
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make sure you're okay to operate the motor vehicle. And I believe you are. Um, so my information is right here on
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the front. The reason I stopped you here is on the back where we're headed. Uh, get there safely. I'm sorry you're
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having a bad night. Yeah, I'm just right on the street. Okay, I'm fine. No, you're you're fine. Yeah. No, you
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don't need to apologize. I mean, you were weaving a little bit with no traffic out. I just want to make sure
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you're okay, that's all. Skyler's video doesn't just contain disgusting footage of her laughing and
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bragging about exploiting this officer's kindness, but also states that she blew
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a 3.8 on the breathalyzer, ignoring that she wasn't even tested in the first place. The legal limit is only around
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0.8 and already makes driving dangerous. But a reading of 3.8 eight would imply Skylar was not only blackout drunk but
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close to death. As at a level of 4.0, respiratory failure is likely. But this doesn't mean Skylar was lying about
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being drunk under age. Videos were later discovered of her chugging tequila from
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the bottle and acting drunk at a party just hours before she was caught driving. After she was confronted with
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this, Skylar confessed and admitted to everything. I ended up getting a little too
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intoxicated. Um, I was taking shots all night and I decided to make the dumb decision to get
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into my car and drive. She also admitted that the officer never asked her out. That was just a lie for
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social media attention. Regardless of her confession, though, no further action was taken against her or the
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officer who failed to test her. But the same can't be said for Lydia Bado. She was caught trying to transport two
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illegal immigrants over the Mexican border. And as soon as everything started to fall apart, she decided to
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try seducing the officer. Just wait for me right here. Okay. You don't have anything.
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Sorry, sir. What? I'm looking at your eyes. Why? Cuz you look pretty handsome. As soon as the officer realizes
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something might be up with the IDs, Lydia starts to smile and stare directly at his eyes before telling him how
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handsome he is. Obviously, this is just a trick to try and get out of the position she's put herself in. A trick
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that isn't going to work on this officer. [Music] Okay. Okay. [Music] Okay. After running the woman's driver's
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licenses through the national database, the officer discovers that the ID numbers return completely wrong results,
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meaning that both of them are totally fake. It's later discovered that the two women with Lydia in the car are both
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illegal immigrants from El Salvador. What's worse is that they were being transported through a service that often
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forces women into debt bondage, where the people who transported them will make them pay off their debt through
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forced labor and sex work. So, while Lydia was arrested and the two women sent back over the border, they may have
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been saved from years of horrible treatment and abuse. One thing's for sure, though. Lydia's attempt at
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flirting didn't work one bit. But the same can't be said about this next girl, who was so bubbly and flirtatious that
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the officer couldn't help but smile throughout the entire encounter. I'm too cute for prison. Don't do that
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to me. On January 5th, 2022, officers responded to a car accident. As soon as they got
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on the scene, they were given some useful intel by a witness. She's drunk. And she already said that I
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don't want to get a DWI in a single car. Okay. Thank you. Was she in on in the wrong? No, she was
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on that side. See, I was coming this way right before the curve and she floowed around me. I
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mean, float around me. Blow around another make the curve. See, see right there.
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Hit the curve and then slack this. I don't know what to deal with. It sounds like this driver completely
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lost control of the vehicle and was lucky nobody else got hurt. But if they want to understand exactly what happened
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here, they're going to have to talk to the driver. And it doesn't take long for them to figure out the situation.
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So, they said you're not having anything medical. No, sir. Okay. Now, just based on this driving
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behavior and what people have been saying when we came on scene, um would you be willing to take some standardized
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personality tests? How much have you had to drink today? Not very much. Okay. What is not very much?
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Like the legal limit. Okay. Which is what? Like very not very much because I ate
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and I drink water between the two. The driver is being honest and complying with the cop's request to take a field
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sobriety test. But unfortunately, the sobriety test quickly shows the cops that even if she's acting nice, she's
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still a criminal that put many other lives in danger. All right, ma'am. Go ahead and put your
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hands behind your back for me. Okay. You're being placed under arrest for DUI. All right, I'm not to pat you down
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before I put you in my unit. Okay. The cop pats the girl down before placing her in the back of his patrol
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car and reading her her rights. But this is when she starts to put her plan into
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action that she thinks will cut her loose. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. You don't you don't need to apologize.
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You know, I'm doing my job. That's all. I know. And I respect that. I respect you. Have you ever been arrested for a
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DWI before? No, sir. I've never been arrested, period. So, I hope that leaves I'm like
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one of the cuter people that you've had in your cop car. Do not confirm or deny, please.
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Oh, yeah. I can't talk about that. Yeah, you can for legal purposes. I'm too cute for prison. Don't do that
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to me. Anyways, I'm sorry you're stuck with me, though. That's all right. You know, I've been,
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like I said, was worse. Back at the station, the seduction doesn't stop. All right, so I'm going to count this in
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front of you. I remember you. You would come up to the Aato with your face mask and be like,
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"That is so fine." Like respectfully, though. Oh, yeah. Obviously, cuz like I'm a mess right
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now. You had your face mask on, but I was like, "That is Yeah, don't worry about it. Let's get
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back to Nobody wants to date any woman that's looking like this." So, you are such a happy man.
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Oh, thank you. I appreciate you. I do. Okay. I'm getting prepared. I'm sorry. I hope I haven't been disrespectful. I
00:24:28
hope I haven't been disrespectful to your job. But even as she waited for her medical
00:24:32
examination, she couldn't resist flirting with the officers in an attempt to lessen her sentence.
00:24:37
What do you Okay, maybe a little Hey. Hey, come over here. This way. I just want to say hi.
00:24:51
Who's Tori? Wild. Who's Tori? You lead the way. Yeah, just have a seat. How the hell am I supposed to know?
00:24:59
Hi, daddy. What are you doing? I'm about now. Why you should I still have to triage.
00:25:04
Look how cute it is. Because because you're so cute, sir. Oh, yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that.
00:25:12
Hey, might as well choose be happy if you're in a [ __ ] situation. You should be stuck with this.
00:25:19
doing the cutest. Thankfully, this didn't seem to change anything in her charges as she was hit
00:25:25
with an aggravated DWI and reckless driving. At the end of the day, though, a DUI never gives that big of a
00:25:32
sentence, at least not compared to what Amelia Bassoon was trying to dodge as she attempted to seduce the cops and get
00:25:39
away with murder. Amelia was arrested in connection with the murders of Cindy and
00:25:43
Sha Stack. They think she helped her husband cover up the crime, but she will do everything she can to get away with
00:25:49
it, including flirting with the detectives. But while this case started in a playful manner, it quickly evolved
00:25:56
into one of the most intense interrogations of all time. They're dead. They're both dead.
00:26:02
I didn't do anything. The detective starts by reading Amelia her rights and getting some basic
00:26:06
information. Am I like getting arrested or something for something or I'm going to explain it to you? I don't
00:26:12
feel okay. I just normally when this starts is like someone getting in trouble or arrested or
00:26:18
Well, we just like I said, we want to be able to talk to you. Already, it's obvious that Amelia is
00:26:22
making her voice high-pitched and speaking in a timid tone of voice. While this could just be what she sounds like
00:26:28
normally, other footage of her suggests otherwise. I I don't want to press charges, but I I
00:26:33
would like a no contact order. I can do that. Okay. Her change in tone could also be a
00:26:37
reaction to being in a stressful and uncomfortable situation. And as the interrogation continues, she begins to
00:26:44
show more and more of these flirtatious signs. What happened with Josh? Did you say
00:26:48
that? Did I hear you say he shot himself in the leg? Yeah. So, in December, he um we went
00:26:52
bowling. Okay. The bullet went around the bone and around the artery through and through.
00:27:00
Jeez, that's lucky. I know. He's crazy. How long you guys been married? Um it'll be a year in September.
00:27:09
Oh, okay. Here, Amelia gathers her hair and moves it all to the right hand side,
00:27:15
exposing her neck on the left. The neck carries the jugular, an important and vulnerable part of the body that many
00:27:22
people will make an effort to protect. However, when someone feels comfortable or safe around someone, they're likely
00:27:28
to expose their neck by tilting their head or moving their hair to the side, suggesting attraction, or at least the
00:27:35
desire to show it. All right. So, Ameilia, I can tell you the reason why we're here today
00:27:40
is because of that issue with the bank. Okay. Okay. All right. Does that surprise you?
00:27:47
Um, for this type of situation, yeah. Okay. Like this intense? I mean, I got in trouble at work, which makes sense, but
00:27:54
I'm just confused about this. Well, let's let's walk through it a little bit. Okay. Um, let's walk through
00:27:58
that and see how maybe we came here today. All right. And find out if this was just a misunderstanding or what.
00:28:04
Okay. The story ended with Cindy and Shawn dead, but started with an equally disgusting crime. Amelia was an employee
00:28:12
at Chase Bank and exploited her position to steal $50,000 from a dementiarridden
00:28:18
man. She wrote two checks from his account and her husband Josh deposited them in his accounts. When Cindy and
00:28:25
Shawn started asking questions, Josh purchased a gun and shot the pair in their own apartment. This interrogation
00:28:31
is not only to uncover the details behind the theft, but also to determine what part she played in the killings.
00:28:38
So, how did you what happened with this write up? So, I mean, had you been a banker for him for a while? I mean,
00:28:44
yeah. So, I've been his banker since I moved here. So, so what happened with these checks?
00:28:48
Um, nothing. We just I should call them. I have the record over global security. M.
00:28:55
So when they came in, they pulled like call logs, they pulled like cameras just to make sure like they pulled signature
00:29:02
files because I mean it's still federal. It's the bank. So they wanted to make sure that I wasn't like I guess
00:29:08
stealing. Mhm. When you talked to Gerald, I mean, how did he appear to you? Was he a young
00:29:12
guy, old guy? He's old. Oh. How did he appear to you when you talked to him? He was okay.
00:29:17
He was okay. Did he ever have any issues when he when you talked to him about remembering
00:29:21
things or anything like that? Like I know like a little about himself. like he had brain surgery.
00:29:25
Mhm. Um but for the most part, he remembers things I don't think he would forget
00:29:31
really. Just other than that, he's okay. Yeah, nice guy. Amelia does her best to seem open and
00:29:39
honest here, but as soon as she finishes up talking, she brings her shoulders up,
00:29:44
hunches over slightly, and crosses her arms. All movements that are done to protect vital parts of the body and are
00:29:51
obvious tells that someone feels uncomfortable. These signs only become more apparent as the interview
00:29:57
continues. What did he have you do? Like how did he what did he ask for? Nothing. It's just he put two checks in
00:30:04
$25,000 each and that was it. The grandson came picked them up and the grandson came and picked them up.
00:30:12
Mhm. It was either the day before or the day after. Mhm. I opened up an account for him.
00:30:17
Oh, so he must have just deposited those checks into the account. I think I think your best bet right now is to be
00:30:23
completely honest with us. Okay. So, let me let me let's go on a little bit more. Okay. The truth is going to be
00:30:27
the best thing right now. Okay. This happened in May. My write up for May. Yes. The account's still open.
00:30:35
The father. Mm-m. No. Amelia's speech has become much shorter and unclear, and she continues
00:30:43
to seem more and more uncomfortable when pressured about Gerald's banking records. Of course, the detective has
00:30:49
noticed this and is seeing straight through her original timid and playful demeanor. So, he decides to ramp up the
00:30:56
pressure. I know you listen, okay? At a certain point in time, we have to move past it. All right.
00:31:02
He's a nice guy, and I'm sure you really do care about him. I do. Do you see now?
00:31:06
Mhm. But it's not like I I don't want to Okay. Mhm. No. Did you take advantage of that old man?
00:31:14
I don't want to say I took advantage of him cuz he's a really nice guy. Yeah. And uh Josh
00:31:21
did he ever talk to them? No. He never spoke to them. He doesn't even know who they are.
00:31:27
Okay. What do you have been at their house? Him? Mhm. He doesn't even know where they live. I
00:31:32
don't even know where they live. Well, you have access to his account. Yeah, but I haven't.
00:31:36
You opened it? Yeah, but I don't remember his address. Can you talk to Cindy? Mhm.
00:31:41
Possible she gave you their address. Is it going to be in the text messages? No.
00:31:45
But you don't remember if she gave you the address or not? She never did. She had no reason to.
00:31:49
It's possible Josh went over there and you didn't know. I mean, how would he know where they
00:31:53
live though? That's not the question I was asking. Is it possible that he went over there?
00:31:56
Not that I know. No. So, you don't you can't say for sure he did or did. I can say no.
00:32:02
Say no. because he doesn't know where they he doesn't know them. Amelia now decides to change strategies.
00:32:08
Instead of her original flirtatious and playful demeanor, she's switched to an innocent and clueless one. At points,
00:32:15
she even smiles and laughs while being asked serious questions in an attempt to downplay the intensity and pressure.
00:32:22
This is a sign that the facade she's put up is starting to break, and the detective takes this as an opportunity
00:32:28
to press her even further. I think you need to start understanding the severity of the situation.
00:32:32
All right? Because I don't know if you really do. All right? And I think you need to start
00:32:36
understanding that how this interview goes and what what you know what decisions you make here are going to
00:32:41
affect your life for a long long long time. I think you think that you had this all planned out. And I think you
00:32:47
and again, not to say it in a bad way, but this is what we do. Okay? When we make mistakes, we figure
00:32:51
things out and go, "Okay, all right. There's a lot more going on here." All right? And you know whose name is all
00:32:56
over this right now? You and Joshua. Okay? You need to start thinking real hard and real fast. Okay. Who Who is
00:33:03
involved in this and what happened? Okay. Okay. That's all I know. Okay. Things got out of hand. Okay. This
00:33:10
got out of hand. I think what happened was Cindy was asking you for this money back and you didn't have it. And there's
00:33:14
there's some issues there. Okay. Sometimes, again, when we make a mistake, we do something wrong and
00:33:18
things the ball gets rolling. We can't stop it. You understand what I'm saying? Okay. Listen, you have your whole life
00:33:23
ahead of you. I know. You have a seven-year-old son. You have an obligation to him.
00:33:27
Mhm. So, whatever happened beyond this, we need to know because if if you want to keep going with what you're telling
00:33:35
us, okay, then we're going to have to go on that. All right. And you have to understand.
00:33:39
Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, somebody did something we need to know now. Talking about her son obviously strikes
00:33:45
a chord with Amelia. And as interrogations are all about exploiting emotions to extract the truth, the
00:33:51
detective jumps on this to make her as vulnerable as possible. Did Josh bring you up to this?
00:33:58
No. Well, this is the stuff we need to know. Listen, if he puts you up to it, he put
00:34:02
you up to it. That's okay. Again, like Detective Murphy said, I think you're kind of at this crossroads right now,
00:34:08
okay? You've got Josh, who you probably love, and he's your husband, okay? But you also have Julian, and you got to
00:34:12
picture that little boy. You got to picture not being able to watch him grow up. Think about that for a second. Think
00:34:18
about being put somewhere very far away from him. And the only way you're going to have contact with him is through
00:34:23
letters. You're going to get pictures in jail in prison of your little boy growing up.
00:34:29
That's your future. I don't know the severity what he did. What did he do? But he I mean he knows the relationship
00:34:38
that I have with Mr. Sack. He knows that. I mean I would take him food. Like listen to me.
00:34:43
So at a point it would it would he would get upset with me that like I'm too nice
00:34:47
that I like I can't kind of act with my customers. But he's the old guy. He has no family. Well, I mean, I talked to him
00:34:54
cuz he knows my husband. I talked to him. Did Josh say that you you you you kind
00:34:58
of were owed this money because you were taking care of this guy? I don't know if he said that, but
00:35:02
something like that. What did he tell you? I don't want to get in trouble. I didn't
00:35:09
do anything. We need to know. Well, then tell us. Okay. Tell us. They're both dead.
00:35:16
What? Yeah, they're dead. So, now we really need to talk. At this point, all of the
00:35:23
games that Amelia was playing have gone out the window. Whether she's innocent or not, she's now being accused of
00:35:29
aiding a murderer and is faced with losing her job, house, and a 7-year-old son. So, understandably, she's starting
00:35:38
to get incredibly scared. I do not want to go to jail. I don't I don't like if I get fired, okay, let me
00:35:45
get fired at work, but I don't want to go to jail. I didn't do anything. I didn't I didn't plan anything. I didn't
00:35:51
conspire anything. Just I didn't do anything. I don't want to go to jail. From here, the detectives try to
00:35:58
capitalize on this, using her vulnerable state to try and extract as much information as possible from her. But
00:36:05
Amelia asserts that she's only told the truth throughout the entire interrogation. She didn't know Cindy and
00:36:11
Shawn were dead and she had nothing to do with their murders. But here is where the interrogation takes a massive turn.
00:36:19
These detectives have now been talking to her for over 2 hours, and they've executed this style of interrogation
00:36:26
almost perfectly. But for the last few hours, they've just been going around in circles to no avail. So instead, they
00:36:33
leave the room to discuss a new approach. And that's when detective number three enters with blankets and a
00:36:39
kind, apologetic tone. Hey, you need to talk to them. You need to get off from underneath this
00:36:46
big time. Mhm. And they tell you who they work for. Yeah. Yeah. We're homicide. So
00:36:51
I know. And you they want you to be a witness, not a suspect. That's why I want to talk to them
00:36:57
because I I just don't want to be involved in any of this. Like, okay, I don't want any part of this. I want to
00:37:02
be able to go home. Yes. Entering like this after such a stressful experience with the other
00:37:08
detectives will set Amelia's mind at ease. and subconsciously enforce the idea that he isn't a threat. At the
00:37:15
start of the interrogation, Amelia was trying to seduce the detectives in an attempt to get better treatment and
00:37:21
hopefully even a lighter sentence. So, if the third detective plays into this by treating her kindly and playing her
00:37:28
game, maybe he'll have a chance of finding out what really happened. In these cases, you can't lie.
00:37:35
You can't which which means holding something back, telling a partial truth. Mhm.
00:37:41
or just flat out lying. Mhm. That is accessory. You're protecting someone. And I'm telling you right now,
00:37:47
you don't need to do that. If you know what happened, tell them. Did he tell you what he did? Don't you
00:37:54
have to say anything? No, he just told me if you say anything that like if you cuz I mean I'm not stupid.
00:38:01
Okay. But eventually he told you what happened. No, he didn't tell me that he killed
00:38:04
anybody or that he was going. But you knew that he was going over there. I knew that he was going over there.
00:38:09
What day? He told me he's like he's like, "Don't worry about what I'm doing. I'll take
00:38:13
care of it." Talking about them though, I'm guessing so, cuz that's just what he
00:38:17
say. Your importance is in details, not in vagueness. They told me I'm going to jail
00:38:23
regardless. Well, that that the uh the fraud part may be, but that's that's nothing. That
00:38:28
is nothing compared to these charges, you know, for first-degree murder. If I say all of these things, will I get
00:38:34
in trouble? If you don't say any of these things, you're definitely going to get in
00:38:38
trouble. But that that's this is where I'm scared. If I say these things like I I didn't do any of my
00:38:43
Put this way. If you protect him and you don't tell us everything, then you're part of the crime.
00:38:48
Amelia is now met with a harsh dilemma. She has to either gamble that the detectives never connect her to the
00:38:54
crime and face felony charges herself or fess up and snitch to the police, likely
00:39:00
sending her husband to jail for the rest of his life. This is her last chance to
00:39:06
make the right decision or she'll never see her son again. Can you start over from the beginning?
00:39:12
Yeah, go ahead. Um, so I let her know she wanted to know. She went with her dad to the bank
00:39:17
and she looked at the transaction history and she wanted to know what the checks were. So I can't tell her much.
00:39:23
And then he's over my shoulder listening to my conversations with her and he's just like, "I'll take care of it. Don't
00:39:29
worry about it." He just wasn't having it. He didn't want me to talk to her. He didn't want me to contact her.
00:39:33
And who are we talking about her? Um the guy's daughter. You know her name? Cindy. Cindy. She's going to call her
00:39:39
Cindy. Cindy. And he knew who Cindy was. Um only because of the conversations that me and her were having.
00:39:45
I'm sorry. The next day he went and he bought a gun. I don't know if it was Tuesday or
00:39:49
Wednesday. He called out of work. He said that I'm going to take care of things. The next day he just he comes
00:39:55
home and he's like banging on the door. This is like a where the apartment or the house where
00:40:01
we we were at today. Yes. Okay. He came banging on the door. Um when he came home, he took the gun apart. He was
00:40:08
shaking. Um he took all his clothes off. He put it in a garbage bag and then he went by his mom and dad's house.
00:40:16
Okay. Um when did you become aware that he was involved in the murder? Well, I didn't know what what happened.
00:40:23
I just stopped hearing from her. And then when I said something about can I call her, he told me no. And then he got
00:40:31
really mad at me and he was like, if you say something, I'm going to kill you. Okay. He's not going to say that unless
00:40:35
he told you about the murder. That's the part that's So when did he tell you about the murder?
00:40:41
Sweetie, you got to let this go. You can't. Anything you hold back is not going to look good. You've got to just
00:40:47
tell him. It hurts. It's scary. I understand that. But not talking is worse for you than talking. It was he
00:40:54
describe how what he never physically said like what he did or if anything was done.
00:40:59
Did he say he shot him? Well, I'm I'm guessing he had a gun. So, don't guess. Did he tell you that he
00:41:04
shot him? Yes. He said he shot him. Mhm. And with that, the detectives managed to
00:41:10
use Amelia's tactics against her and got her to confess to her own husband's crime. The detectives also stuck to
00:41:17
their word and after confirming she had nothing to do with the murders, dropped the charges against her. She was however
00:41:23
still charged with the theft and sentenced to three years in prison. Josh, however, was found guilty of the
00:41:29
firstdegree murders of Cindy and Sha Stack and was sentenced to life behind bars.